I don't blame Anakin for his fall to the darkside. I blame the Jedi Order. The Force wills everything. Qui Gon Jinn finding a slave boy on Tatooine with a higher midichlorian count than Master Yoda WAS NOT a coincidence. First, the Order didn't want to train him. Anakin didn't forget about that even though he was trained because it was Master Qui Gon's dying wish. The Jedi Order NEVER trusted Anakin Skywalker fully. They kept him at arms length instead of bringing him close. The lack of trust ALWAYS bothered Anakin. Despite that, he stayed the course and continued his training. Losing Ahsoka was a huge blow for Anakin. He lost his Padawan because of the Jedi Order was so quick to turn on one of their own. Ahsoka never gave the Order a reason not to trust and believe her. If the Order meditated on the matter and put more into the actual investigation then they would have learned the truth way before her case even made it to trial. Anakin continued his training and remained loyal to the Order even after those events took place. I do understand that falling in love goes against the Jedi Code, but unfortunately, you can't control it. Falling in love with someone just happens whether you want it to or not. I honestly believe that Anakin fell in love with Padme the first time he saw her. He was just a slave then who didn't even know what he was to become. Anakin loved her with all of his being. When he started having the same dreams about her like he did with his mother right before she died. This shook him to his core and would stop at NOTHING to try and prevent her death from happening. Darth Sidious could read Anakins mind and made him an offer he couldn't refuse. When he found out that his long-time friend was, in fact, a Sith Lord, this created so much confusion, confliction, and disbelief in Anakin. When he told Master Windu what he had discovered, he told Anakin "If what you told me is true, then you will have gained my trust, but for now, stay here." This just cemented what Anakin always suspected... that the Jedi Order never trusted him. So, having the feeling of never being trusted just being vindicated and potentially losing the only way to save his true love? Like I said, I don't blame Anakin. I blame the Jedi Order.
At the end of the day Yoda is to blame. Windu only did what the Grand Master told him to do, even though Anakin was the only real Jedi to kill a Sith lord they never gave him the respect he deserves.
@MrKevlar83 Wrong. Everyone, on the council had their own opinions. That's why the council members would meet. Im pretty sure Yoda wasn't the only one to speak at those meetings either. Yes, Yoda had final say, but he also valued his council members' opinions. To Master Yoda, everyone on that council was equal to him. As for Mace, he literally looked at Yoda and said, "I don't trust him" when they were discussing the prophecy of the Chosen One.
I completely agree with you. Not only this but also the fact that qui-gon only frees him from slavery because Anakin Skywalker is said to have had the largest Midi-chlorian count in Jedi history and therefore thought he was the chosen one. It was only because of this conviction of qui-gon that Obi-wan was allowed to train him. Can you imagine being born as a slave and someone happens to come along who believes in you to eventually be trained while everyone has the highest expectations of you but no one REALLY trusts you? In real life we call these toxic relationships. Ultimately, this was the perfect recipe to create Vader. It was never Anakin. It was the jedi order and in a way they acted like complete narcissists. Only having him around because they could get something from him, not because of love or trust. Eventually Obi-Wan began to love him as a brother. But if it wasn't for Qui-Gon finding out how "special" he was Ani would still be a slave for his entire life probably. That's something to think about.
@@chadallen496 true, the council would meet and discuss matters. However as you said Yoda had the final say so he could have vetoed Windu but he didn't. Yoda sensed everything going on in Anakin from his mother dying in his arms to his love for Padme. Why not help him instead of shun him? Obi-Wan "killed" a Sith lord and was praised, but he didnt kill him Maul continually came back. Anakin is the only Jedi who actually killed a Sith lord by himself, so why wasn't he granted master? Again Yodas decision. So while Mace Windu didn't trust Anakin at all Yoda kind of let him be the mouth piece. And to top it off Yoda is the one that told Obi-Wan not to tell Luke about his father in hoping he'd kill him.
Obiwan was probably ashamed of himself for how Anakin was seduced by the Darkside and changed into Vader. He probably partly blamed himself, even if he wasn’t directly responsible. What is always going to fascinate me is how he charged Luke with the responsibility to face Vader, despite Luke saying he could not kill his own father. Vader and the emperor also challenged Luke to take a life. His refusal to listen to any of them and his determination not to kill Vader is deep in his legacy; that’s how he becomes a Jedi.
Bet he probably felt like it also wasn’t his part to play. He was only a small part of the story now. It wasn’t his destiny to confront or defeat Vadar. That time had long passed
I don’t know how Obi-Wan could have misunderstood Anakin this badly. He seemed to be one of the Jedi who understood him a little better than the others did in other stories. If you ask me, I think Obi-Wan is purposely saying the exact opposite of what Luke’s father actually was because he doesn’t want Luke to sympathize with him. At this point, Obi-Wan doesn’t think Anakin can get out of the Dark Side, so he’s not telling Luke the truth because he knows that, if Luke sympathizes with him, then he will be unable to deliver the finishing blow and save the galaxy. That’s why he says at the end, “Darth Vader and the Emperor must breathe their last."
Obi was a stickler for rules. Because of this it blinded him to nuance and practical things to help Ani. Qui Gon would have been better for him, allowing him to explore and understand.
ObiWan didn’t want to train Anakin. He was ordered to. Qui Gon loved Anakin, not Ben. That’s where the ‘duel of fates’ comes in. Anakin’s fate under the tutelage of Qui Gon … versus his fate under Obi Wan. Would Anakin have turned if Qui Gon lived?
@@SilkySnow_ Solitary confinement especially is so insane I can't wrap my head around how it's downplayed so much. I'd rather have my eyes gouged out than six months solitary..
The worst part is how he justifies leaving Vader by the lava as the correct decision, he makes it seem as if Vader would die from natural causes and not by his own hand. He try's to absolve himself of any responsibility.
You do realize Anakin was already a dead man and only barely survived because of a whim of Palpatine's right? And at the point Obi-Wan left him his nerves would have been on the verge of being destroyed and he wouldn't be able to feel pain for long regardless. Not his fault Hollywood doesn't know how pain works.
"Dealing him a killing blow might have been the merciful thing ... but I had no mercy for Vader ..." - Kenobi, a "true jedi" Suddenly Hayden's line "from my point of view the Jedi are evil" doesn't sound so dimwitted.
@jaieregilmore971 true true but if I may play devil's advocate, the Jedi weren't as direct with evil acts, they weren't perfect, but you could see how far they had strayed from the original order in perpetual balance with the force. Too much light blinded them to the shadows around them.
I don’t blame Obi wan mindset of separating Anakin and Vader as if they are different people but let’s face the fact Vader is Anakin at his weakest and his worst.
@@benjaminhopley3045then you don’t know Star Wars. If obi wan killed Vader while he was unarmed, it would’ve been murder and he’d be no different to the sith
@@benjaminhopley3045 true it was not obi wans finest moment but that’s the whole point on Mustafar both Obi wan and Anakin were not entirely in their right minds and they wanted to kill each other for the Betrayals committed against each other. They were both out course each other serious damage and harm on Mustafar. Although obi wan later come to regret his actions on Mustafar before his death.Anakin/Vader wouldn’t regret his actions on Mustafar and though out galaxy until he died and saw obi wan again as a ghost over 20 years later. Both were in the wrong on Mustafar.
God........ poor Luke is beginning to realize 😢 Luke had a terrible family history because Anakin fell down the dark path 😢 and realized it wasn't entirely all Vader's fault and he never wanted to join the dark path he did it to save padme in the end he had failed her.
True but anakin could've saved padme had he not thrown allegiance to her political foe palpatine. When that happened padme and the jedi order were finished
I love Vader as a character, particularly the side we see of him that still reaches back to Anakin, whether it was to actually ask for mercy in times of weakness or desperation, or in an effort to confuse or distract the opponents of his who knew Anakin, like Obi-Wan or even Ahsoka. Vader showing Anakin’s blue eyes was a trick of the force I never knew possible and it really started to make me think about the possibility of these two motives for this. I’m sure there’s an in-depth video going into this but even if there’s not I’d love to see one.
“Whatever tomorrow brings I must be ready.” I wouldn’t call cutting himself off from the force, working as a butcher and being afraid of existing as being ready
Vader had resisted the Dark side for years compared to Dooku. It took more to turn him than others and wasn't even completely gone. Doesn't help that the Jedi Order itself was clouded by the Dark Side.
You're kidding, right? Dooku was one of the greatest Jedi in history, few could match his skill and prowess with a lightsaber. Dooku spent decades avoiding the dark side, Anakin gave in, in less than a decade.
@@williameldridge9382It took Anakin thirteen years before he finally gave himself over to the sith not just for his Children And Padme but because he also blamed The Jedi for the deaths of Qui Gon And His Mother as well yeah.
Obi-Wan leaving Anakin to die dispelled for me the illusion that the Jedi were good guys. I sometimes wonder how the story would have gone had Anakin been able to save his mother's life.
I think the best scenario will be qui gon Jin did not die and stay with anakin. Qui gon Jin is the first person who understand anakin. And he could possibly take the role of father. And save anakin's mother.
@@dlrldnjs04 false Qui gon would not have saved Anakin’s mother he didn’t care about her . He only wanted Anakin and once he had Anakin he would have come up with some excuse not to go back for her. Qui gon is not a good man he is a zealot who is obsessed with the chosen one legends and prophesies.
@@satinekenobi4ver855 any proves that why he is obsessed at prophecy? And as I mentioned I said the best "scenario" I am not sayung they should make that lol.
You may want to actually listen to Obi Wan when he mentions why he didn't kill Vader: he wasn't a murderer, and doing so would've put him on the same path that brought Anakin to the point of being a maimed and burnt shell of a man. It highlights another situation where Obi-Wan succeeded in where Anakin failed. When Anakin had Dooku at his mercy, he did the easy thing instead of the right thing.
@decepticonxhunter4850 it was different. Killing Anakin was the merciful thing to do. Obi Wan chose cruelty and hid it behind moral superiority and self-delusion. I'd argue that Kenobi chose the dark side in that moment.
I kind of agree with obi wan. Yeah he had a fear of losing people. He was just a strong. Person looking for more power by any means but obi wan should realize the Jedi are not completely blameless in his downfall.
No... Yoda did not do that. Jedi long before his time did that. Also, Yoda wasn't wrong. Anakin _was_ twisted into a monster by his own dark nature. Argue it any way you want, a man who kills children has no legs to stand on and I am tired of these apologists saying otherwise.
I want to see Shadows Of The Empire return to canon as a live-action movie with a scene like this with flashbacks from the prequel trilogy and The Clone Wars.
Anakin kind of reminds me of Job from the bible don't know if I spelled the name right but In the end he got played by both sides to see were his heart was the most. In the end he lost everything for nothing and suffered so long for a short relief in the end with his son.
Job didn't get played by by both sides. God used Satan to humble Job out of his self-righteousness. It starts becoming more apparent where he talks about the kind of pride he took in ppl going all the way out to the city gates just to get his advice and starts accusing God of punishing him for no reason. It is after God checks him(chapters 38-41) that he begins to see what God saw in him the whole time(Job 42:1-6).
@@decepticonxhunter4850 Job was devoted to God and then Lucifer and God got together to basically see how devoted he was In his faith to God that's when the games began. God let Lucifer mess with job in the most devious of ways to see what it took to break him. So ya it was a game to both Lucifer and God to see what it took to mess with someone devoted to you and your ways. If that's not being fucked with them I don't know that the definition of it means then. So ya it was a game to both god and Lucifer
It's kind of sad that Anakin, who was a slave his whole life, was saved by his heroes (Jedi), wanted to become a Jedi and by doing so fell to being a "slave" to the Jedi order. Never truly free, always being held down by others and, most importantly, himself. That's just tragic.
Then, swapping out being a slave to the Jedi Order to being a slave to the Emperor, thus finally becoming free from being a slave to both sides of the Force after killing the Sith Lord decades after he helped destroy the Jedi, because at the end of the day he did achieve the prophecy of bringing balance to the force by destroying both the Light side and Dark side of the Force, something the Jedi Order and Palpatine interpretated it wrong
It's actually incredibly hard to believe that obi wan actually thought that way about Anakins fall, he was literally a victim of poor circumstances his entire life until he became Vader. And his first memory that wasn't slavery was the Jedi leaving his mother for dead(more than a good reason to have abandonment issues.) Glad this one stayed legends and not cannon tbh
I mean even in the kenobi show this is contradicted. We see Obi wan clearly apologizing to Vader. Saying he felt terribly about all the things that happened.
Obi-Wan misunderstanding Anakin isn't too unbelievable (aside from the Rako Hardeen arc) Obi-Wan lives by the Jedi Code and is a Jedi, through and through. Jedi who lived their entire lives as Jedi in the Jedi Order before the Empire, don't understand feelings in the slightest, much less empathy. After watching the Clone Wars, I no longer ask "Why did Anakin turn?" I ask "Why not?"
Hmm... you don't pay much attention to Clone Wars do you? Two words: Satine Kryze. Obi-Wan knew _exactly_ what it was like to have his loyalties split, but he _and Satine_ both agreed for the good of their respective people that such acts would not be conducive or healthy to keep up. People look at Anakin and Padme and see a love story - I look at them and see a toxic disaster that was waiting to happen. I look at Satine and Obi-Wan and see two _adults_ who see the bigger picture and are willing to make real sacrifices for the betterment of others, not just their small selves.
If Obi-Wan killed Vader on Mustafa when he had the chance. I honestly don't think it would've changed much in the grand scheme of things. Vader was powerful and a scourge to the galaxy. But by that point the Emperor had already issued order 66 and the Jedi Order was done for. While I don't think he could've found someone as powerful as Vader, Palpatine definitely could've found a replacement.
In the kinobi show they have the line where Vader says “you didn’t kill Anakin, I did” so in that context what ObiWan told Luke was actually just him quoting his father.
That's not entirely true though. Anakin did have an extremely hard life and because of this he did fear loss a lot. That's why he craved such power to begin with so that he protect those that he cared about from losing them
nah, he had that one emotion of himself as true, he was impatient and wanted to make things based on his interest, and thats not the jedi ways, sure he losthis mother but luke didnt even do anything when his aunt and uncle died. It was reasonable he killed all those sand people but he couldnt control his anger and that leads to fear and leads to suffering which then leads to the dark side
@@sethinigo5757I don't think you understand. Anakin's character. He went through great lengths to protect everyone that he came across in the Jedi order. He did not want to lose anyone, especially those that he cared about. If you saw the clone wars, there was the one episode where the person who brought Asoka to the Jedi Temple was in trouble out in space and they all told Anakin and ahsoka to leave the Jedi and stick to the plan. Anakin was like no, I'm going to go save him. Anakin was never taught how to healthily manage his emotions. He was always told to just ignore them, push them down because fear leads to the dark side. But the Jedi themselves feared the dark lords returning so much that they refused to believe that they were back for a long time and that's what gave them such an edge over the Jedi. Anakin would sacrifice his own life to protect those that he cared about and the Jedi tried to tell him that that was wrong. Yeah, that would push me to the dark side too. That's a terribly hard upbringing being a slave for most of your life than being a slave to the Jedi order. It's like he just traded one slavery for another. He had a totally hard life. The only father figure he knew was killed. Then his mother was killed
@@sethinigo5757Luke had both his aunt and uncle. He had parental figures to teach him how to handle his emotions. Luke only had his mother and then was ripped away from her before he was taught. Fully how to engage in real life situations where you need to control your emotions. He was taught just to push them down. Be mindful of your emotions but don't do anything to make sure that you don't bottle them up inside like a normal human being and then they just explode one day like
@@sethinigo5757Then he had his best friend and master Obi-Wan not stick up for him at all. Yeah I would totally go to the dark side. Well not really because I'm one of those people that there would be no light side or dark side. I would just be simply with the force
It's on his belt in the celebration scene at the end of Return of the Jedi, so he prob just pulled it to himself. Can't imagine it was more than 3 meters from where he was electrocuted and probably closer to where Vader leaned over the railing.
I like how Obi-Wan claimed that Anakin and Vader were different people, because he wasn’t entirely wrong. As Anakin, he cares and feels, while Vader is a cold blooded monster. I believe that in a weird way, Anakin and Vader are (boarder line) different personalities.
You said, "I believe that in a weird way, Anakin and Vader are (boarder line) different personalities." I believe that you're on the right track. George Lucas' Anakin/Vader creation seems like a variation on Robert Louis Stevenson's Dr. Jekyll/Mr. Hyde. There's a chock-full of psychology going on there with split personalities and even Carl Jung's archetypes of the Hero and the Shadow. Remember this point, Lucas devoured Joseph Campbell's work, The Hero with a Thousand Faces, while writing his screenplay. Campbell embraced Carl Jung's method and the latter's archetypes as psychological vehicles to help human beings become better people as they embarked on their version of the hero's journey. Lucas made his original trilogy with Campbell's and Jung's ideas flying all over the silver screen.
To be fair, the distinction of Vader and Anakin was made by the guy himself when he tells Kenobi "I am not your failure...Obi Wan. I killed Anakin Skywlaker". After this Obi Wan proceeds to call Anakin/Vader "Darth", as we know that is a title meaning "Dark Lord of the Sith". There Anakin and Darth Vader became 2 separate entities, and even Luke in Episode 6 tells Darth Vader that he knows that he was Anakin Skywalker once, and after semi accepts that his father was "truly dead". There we see the struggle in Vader, for Luke was the Catalyst for Balance, It was the knowledge of his Children and the fight his Son was carrying into saving him and bring him back to the Light Side. So, it was well enough that Obi Wan had a definite separation of the 2 personalities of the same person and address them as such.
Obi Wan sensed that the Emperor was rapidly approaching their location. If he had tried to get Anakin back to safety then Palpatine would have caught them.
Because this story is from Legends. The "Kenobi" show is canon. He found out Vader survived differently in Legends: th-cam.com/video/G7TJGwA9zW0/w-d-xo.html
Obi-wan already knew deep with inside himself how to distinguish the difference between Anakin Skywalker and Darth Vader. When I watch Star Wars movies, the TV series and the small Disney+ series as well as the comics you have to put your mindset in a different position on how you view things so in my interpretation of revenge of the Sith we have Anakin Skywalker and Darth Vader, two different individuals. In the real world let’s say you and a friend have been through it all, however your friend decides to go a different path on their own and down that path that they have chosen is wrong and you do everything in your power as a good friend to help that individual but if they cannot be saved of course there will be a fight that breaks out and you end the relationship between yourself and your friend. You see there is a video on TH-cam here talking about Star Wars, it’s like a documentary but it was explaining how these heroes and villains are shown in the real world and if our mindsets are putting that into the real world. So you see that’s my interpretation of how I understand what Obi-Wan Kenobi did when he already knew when Anakin Skywalker submit himself and gave up everything that he stood for to become this newly character Darth Vader that he swore to destroy because if you look at it and break down the scene on Musta far of how Anakin and Obi-Wan are fighting it’s completely different than he usually fights when they were up against Count Dooku
The Jedis are the true bad guys here. Their ideas of blocking out love, not getting involved in politics, taking babies away from their parents. Vader is a product of the Jedi's
Shame Obi wan left out the killing of the younglings , Luke knew Vader was bad but this would have showed just how bad. Just how far the Darkside pulled Vader as warning for Luke .
Luke got his answers from Ahsoka in Book of Boba Fett. It's why he gave Grogu the ultimatum to choose between the Order and the Mandalorian. After what had happened to his father due to his personal attachments to his mother, Luke was determined to make sure nothing like that ever happened to another Jedi trainee. He took it too far, however, and thought to slay his own nephew when Ben Solo could not let go of his attachments to his mother and his father (and to his uncle most especially). So Luke was going to kill Ben because Ben loved him. How twisted is that? Luke's fear over what happened to his family destroyed his efforts to rebuild the temple.
Disney destroyed that. In the previous canon, before Disney, Luke reformed the Order's philosophy to control their emotions and passions, rather than simply suppressing or dismissing them. They began to allow marriages and recognized that without emotions they would become "robots" similar to the order of Anakin's time.
anakin, vader or whatever name he chose has no bearing on who he was. he murdered a bunch of children who trusted him. obiwan should have placed his foot on his head and shoved him him deeper into the flow of lava. simple
I dunno. I've still never been convinced that Anakin had enough to cause a fall. It all seems contrived and forced (pun intended). Yes his mother being tortured and killed while he was off having a grand time training. His failing relationship with Padme was his own doing though. His insecurities caused him to think and say things Padme didn't need to or shouldn't have heard. His feelings about Obiwan neglecting him and the council constantly being unsure about him becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. "They hate me so look at how I behave, now they hate me." He murders a bunch of children? It's just SO forced. I could easily rearrange some bits by removing the silly parts and building for a deeper threat for Anakin that makes more sense why he would fall. Anyone interested in my take, ask. This is already too long..
If you don't understand the actions of the Jedi, you'd fall to the Sith, as an ignorant, arrogant child. Much of what Anakin was denied, so too were countless Jedi. A lot of what the Jedi "failed" to provide weren't failures. It was trying to teach Anakin the importance of not living in emotion. Emotion kills quicker than bullets, sabers, anything.
I don't like the separation of Anakin from Vader. I think it allows Anakin to avoid accountability by taking on a new identity and everyone accepting that. When Ahsoka faces him she should have told him that no matter how much he wanted to pretend to be someone else, he was still the person who never gave up on her, who believed in her even when others lost faith, who said he'd never let anyone hurt her, and who refused to allow or accept her dying, who literally SAVED her life by transferring the life force of The Sister, and that this physical and metaphorical masking could not protect him from being accountable for his actions. He used to be strong, brave, admirable, and kind, and he dishonored his wife, mother, and best friends by embracing the dark side in his pitiful weakness and stupidity. He was manipulated and fooled by Palpatine, and thats pathetic, but he's still responsible for his choices and actions. He squandered everything.
I think Obi Wan just gave up on Anakin after he killed those younglings. In his mindset he was beyond saving reason why he left him to burn on Mustafar.
Obi Wan has let Vader live twice now. He's running out of excuses at this point The diary entry shows me Obi Wan is basically the epitome of a memeber the out of touch, priveleged elite. People who never had to face hardship or difficulty and struggle for anything. Such people tend to be judgmental of trauma victims and and petty criminals because they do not understand how adversity can shape a person, or how a person might do bad things just to survive.
Obi-Wan Kenobi has faced war and strife, love and loss, endless sadness. He was the trauma victim, losing his best friend the monster who had deceived everyone - not just the Jedi, _everyone_ - and become the ruler of an entire galaxy. And 'just to survive?' Anakin _murdered children_ to survive? You are a truly sick person if you think that is acceptable.
@@Tahkaullus01 Sorry what are you even going on about? I'm talking about Anakin's life on Tatooine where he and his mom didn't even know if they would eat the next day, or thought it was a good day if they weren't beaten and didn't go to bed hungry. You know: the most basic necessities of life? If you don't think being someone else's literal *property* - a human who can he sold and bastered by someone else with no say and no rights- and then being forced to take part in a dangerous sport whilst still a child for the enrichment of someone else is traumatizing, then you don't know anything about trauma. ...and who are you talking about? Vader never ruled the Galaxy. He "decieved everyine". So what, he was always planning on becoming Vader? We must not have watched the same movie. Anakin's life was pretty much nothing but trauma from Day #1. Obi Wan grew up safe, healthy and fed in the Jedi Temple, whereas some of Anakin's earliest memories were of being beaten and starving. Anakin diced with death daily on the most dangerous planet inthe galaxy and in the pod races. He was seperated from his mom, taken to a strange place then lost his main caegiver the space of a couple of days. He then gets put into the care of a guy who never wanted him and called him dangerous. That was Obi Wan. All this happened before he was 10 yeara of age. That's traumatic. Incedibly and unspeakably traumatic- and threre's studies showing trauma impacts children in much worse way than it does adults. Obi Wan was 25 before suffering his first major bereavement or adversity. That's fortunate. Don't give me that "infinite sadness" nonsense: the book that's from isn't even canon anymore. Obi Wan suffered no more loss and sadness than anyone else who went through the Clone Wars: including Anakin who also lost his Padawan in that conflict, and had to be traumatized by his Masterr faking his death in front of him. . So Woobie lost a friend...... yeah lots of people lose friends. Its sad, but its hardly suffering more than anyone who ever lived in the history of the universe. Its hardly "endless and terrible". Especiallly since he had a fair idea of what Palps was doing and made no attempt to stop it. Also, if you think that being literally groomed from childhood by a pyschopath like Palpatine isn't traumatic you know nothing about trauma. If you think its somehow worse for the person who "loses someone" to grooming than the person being groomed you also know nothing. Are you Jon Snow, or something? Yes, Obi Wan has trauma. But he's not the only trauma victim of the Star saga. Nor the worst. Not by a longshot. Oh I know you like to say he is to make him seem like the noble victim or martyr or something, but let's not forget he represented a religious organization which killed kids- Ahsoka was 14 when she became a commander- used slave soldiers- the Clones and never saw any of it as wrong. Of course Anakin killing kids was bad- so is sending them into battle and abandoning them in warzones. .Woobie Wan is still an out of touch elitist. He's not a poor wickle victim because his left his friend to burn alive when he could have had the balls to finish him off.
I don't blame Anakin for his fall to the darkside. I blame the Jedi Order. The Force wills everything. Qui Gon Jinn finding a slave boy on Tatooine with a higher midichlorian count than Master Yoda WAS NOT a coincidence. First, the Order didn't want to train him. Anakin didn't forget about that even though he was trained because it was Master Qui Gon's dying wish. The Jedi Order NEVER trusted Anakin Skywalker fully. They kept him at arms length instead of bringing him close. The lack of trust ALWAYS bothered Anakin. Despite that, he stayed the course and continued his training. Losing Ahsoka was a huge blow for Anakin. He lost his Padawan because of the Jedi Order was so quick to turn on one of their own. Ahsoka never gave the Order a reason not to trust and believe her. If the Order meditated on the matter and put more into the actual investigation then they would have learned the truth way before her case even made it to trial. Anakin continued his training and remained loyal to the Order even after those events took place. I do understand that falling in love goes against the Jedi Code, but unfortunately, you can't control it. Falling in love with someone just happens whether you want it to or not. I honestly believe that Anakin fell in love with Padme the first time he saw her. He was just a slave then who didn't even know what he was to become. Anakin loved her with all of his being. When he started having the same dreams about her like he did with his mother right before she died. This shook him to his core and would stop at NOTHING to try and prevent her death from happening. Darth Sidious could read Anakins mind and made him an offer he couldn't refuse. When he found out that his long-time friend was, in fact, a Sith Lord, this created so much confusion, confliction, and disbelief in Anakin. When he told Master Windu what he had discovered, he told Anakin
"If what you told me is true, then you will have gained my trust, but for now, stay here." This just cemented what Anakin always suspected... that the Jedi Order never trusted him. So, having the feeling of never being trusted just being vindicated and potentially losing the only way to save his true love? Like I said, I don't blame Anakin. I blame the Jedi Order.
At the end of the day Yoda is to blame. Windu only did what the Grand Master told him to do, even though Anakin was the only real Jedi to kill a Sith lord they never gave him the respect he deserves.
@MrKevlar83 Wrong. Everyone, on the council had their own opinions. That's why the council members would meet. Im pretty sure Yoda wasn't the only one to speak at those meetings either. Yes, Yoda had final say, but he also valued his council members' opinions. To Master Yoda, everyone on that council was equal to him. As for Mace, he literally looked at Yoda and said, "I don't trust him" when they were discussing the prophecy of the Chosen One.
I completely agree with you. Not only this but also the fact that qui-gon only frees him from slavery because Anakin Skywalker is said to have had the largest Midi-chlorian count in Jedi history and therefore thought he was the chosen one. It was only because of this conviction of qui-gon that Obi-wan was allowed to train him. Can you imagine being born as a slave and someone happens to come along who believes in you to eventually be trained while everyone has the highest expectations of you but no one REALLY trusts you? In real life we call these toxic relationships. Ultimately, this was the perfect recipe to create Vader. It was never Anakin. It was the jedi order and in a way they acted like complete narcissists. Only having him around because they could get something from him, not because of love or trust. Eventually Obi-Wan began to love him as a brother. But if it wasn't for Qui-Gon finding out how "special" he was Ani would still be a slave for his entire life probably. That's something to think about.
@@chadallen496 true, the council would meet and discuss matters. However as you said Yoda had the final say so he could have vetoed Windu but he didn't. Yoda sensed everything going on in Anakin from his mother dying in his arms to his love for Padme. Why not help him instead of shun him? Obi-Wan "killed" a Sith lord and was praised, but he didnt kill him Maul continually came back. Anakin is the only Jedi who actually killed a Sith lord by himself, so why wasn't he granted master? Again Yodas decision. So while Mace Windu didn't trust Anakin at all Yoda kind of let him be the mouth piece. And to top it off Yoda is the one that told Obi-Wan not to tell Luke about his father in hoping he'd kill him.
Anakin was a victim of both the Jedi and the Sith.
Obiwan was probably ashamed of himself for how Anakin was seduced by the Darkside and changed into Vader. He probably partly blamed himself, even if he wasn’t directly responsible.
What is always going to fascinate me is how he charged Luke with the responsibility to face Vader, despite Luke saying he could not kill his own father. Vader and the emperor also challenged Luke to take a life. His refusal to listen to any of them and his determination not to kill Vader is deep in his legacy; that’s how he becomes a Jedi.
Bet he probably felt like it also wasn’t his part to play. He was only a small part of the story now. It wasn’t his destiny to confront or defeat Vadar. That time had long passed
"You don't know the power of the dark side"
So true for Obi-Wan
"You don't know how ridiculously *pussy-whipped* you are."
What Obi-Wan should have told Anakin on Mustafar.
Obi Wan is pussy-whipped by the Jedi.
AHHHH! That was a good one. Thank you for that.
I don’t know how Obi-Wan could have misunderstood Anakin this badly. He seemed to be one of the Jedi who understood him a little better than the others did in other stories. If you ask me, I think Obi-Wan is purposely saying the exact opposite of what Luke’s father actually was because he doesn’t want Luke to sympathize with him. At this point, Obi-Wan doesn’t think Anakin can get out of the Dark Side, so he’s not telling Luke the truth because he knows that, if Luke sympathizes with him, then he will be unable to deliver the finishing blow and save the galaxy. That’s why he says at the end, “Darth Vader and the Emperor must breathe their last."
Obi was a stickler for rules. Because of this it blinded him to nuance and practical things to help Ani. Qui Gon would have been better for him, allowing him to explore and understand.
ObiWan didn’t want to train Anakin. He was ordered to. Qui Gon loved Anakin, not Ben. That’s where the ‘duel of fates’ comes in. Anakin’s fate under the tutelage of Qui Gon … versus his fate under Obi Wan. Would Anakin have turned if Qui Gon lived?
Idk he only watched anakain murder younglings on camera
It will never cease to amaze me, this trope of "killing is wrong, but being okay with someone dying in excruciating agony is no problemo"
Death penalty bad, locking someone in a box(psychological torture) good!
@@SilkySnow_ Solitary confinement especially is so insane I can't wrap my head around how it's downplayed so much. I'd rather have my eyes gouged out than six months solitary..
The worst part is how he justifies leaving Vader by the lava as the correct decision, he makes it seem as if Vader would die from natural causes and not by his own hand. He try's to absolve himself of any responsibility.
You do realize Anakin was already a dead man and only barely survived because of a whim of Palpatine's right?
And at the point Obi-Wan left him his nerves would have been on the verge of being destroyed and he wouldn't be able to feel pain for long regardless.
Not his fault Hollywood doesn't know how pain works.
"Dealing him a killing blow might have been the merciful thing ... but I had no mercy for Vader ..." - Kenobi, a "true jedi"
Suddenly Hayden's line "from my point of view the Jedi are evil" doesn't sound so dimwitted.
“From my point of view the Jedi are evil” from the guy who killed innocent people almost killed his wife.
@jaieregilmore971 true true but if I may play devil's advocate, the Jedi weren't as direct with evil acts, they weren't perfect, but you could see how far they had strayed from the original order in perpetual balance with the force. Too much light blinded them to the shadows around them.
Anakin killed kids 😂
@@drkinferno72You mean the young warriors that the Jedi took from their parents to turn them into soldiers?
Right; 3 , 4 y/o childs, extremely dangerous. A true warrior he was.
I don’t blame Obi wan mindset of separating Anakin and Vader as if they are different people but let’s face the fact Vader is Anakin at his weakest and his worst.
Tbh obi wan should of just killed him not just left him there to burn that was kinda missed up
@@benjaminhopley3045"somehow Anakin came back but with his max Potential"💀💀
@@benjaminhopley3045then you don’t know Star Wars. If obi wan killed Vader while he was unarmed, it would’ve been murder and he’d be no different to the sith
He’s right. He may have made mistakes but his honour and integrity is more important to him than power and revenge
@@benjaminhopley3045 true it was not obi wans finest moment but that’s the whole point on Mustafar both Obi wan and Anakin were not entirely in their right minds and they wanted to kill each other for the Betrayals committed against each other. They were both out course each other serious damage and harm on Mustafar. Although obi wan later come to regret his actions on Mustafar before his death.Anakin/Vader wouldn’t regret his actions on Mustafar and though out galaxy until he died and saw obi wan again as a ghost over 20 years later. Both were in the wrong on Mustafar.
God........ poor Luke is beginning to realize 😢 Luke had a terrible family history because Anakin fell down the dark path 😢 and realized it wasn't entirely all Vader's fault and he never wanted to join the dark path he did it to save padme in the end he had failed her.
Palpatine fed him lies.
True but anakin could've saved padme had he not thrown allegiance to her political foe palpatine. When that happened padme and the jedi order were finished
@@stephaniewilliams168Jedi order was ruined before he did that
As a combat veteran i can appreciate their reactions they felt authentic, and kinda helps restore my faith in humanity.
Anakin saved Obi-WAN’s life so many times.
Anakin was gone. Vader was still dangerous, even burned like bacon.
@cameronmatlock5210 the only problem was obi wan was a jedi and sidious definitely would have let him die.
@cameronmatlock5210 hello I am Stephanie and my favorite star wars movie is A New Hope this is where we get to Darth Vader and his awesome power.
@cameronmatlock5210 so am I we are the sith lol just kidding
Obi-Wan saved Anakin from poverty amd raised him like a son, Anakin should of been more Greatful
I love Vader as a character, particularly the side we see of him that still reaches back to Anakin, whether it was to actually ask for mercy in times of weakness or desperation, or in an effort to confuse or distract the opponents of his who knew Anakin, like Obi-Wan or even Ahsoka. Vader showing Anakin’s blue eyes was a trick of the force I never knew possible and it really started to make me think about the possibility of these two motives for this. I’m sure there’s an in-depth video going into this but even if there’s not I’d love to see one.
“Whatever tomorrow brings I must be ready.” I wouldn’t call cutting himself off from the force, working as a butcher and being afraid of existing as being ready
Well this story is Legends. The Kenobi show is Canon
I wish we could explore Luke more, between Episodes 5 and 6 and after Return of the Jedi
Check out the books! Shadows of the Empire, Heir to the Empire, the Jedi Academy Trilogy, the New Jedi Order series
This would have never happened, if Obi Wan Kenobi joined Count Dooku when he had the chance.
Vader had resisted the Dark side for years compared to Dooku. It took more to turn him than others and wasn't even completely gone. Doesn't help that the Jedi Order itself was clouded by the Dark Side.
You're kidding, right? Dooku was one of the greatest Jedi in history, few could match his skill and prowess with a lightsaber. Dooku spent decades avoiding the dark side, Anakin gave in, in less than a decade.
@@williameldridge9382It took Anakin thirteen years before he finally gave himself over to the sith not just for his Children And Padme but because he also blamed The Jedi for the deaths of Qui Gon And His Mother as well yeah.
Obi-Wan leaving Anakin to die dispelled for me the illusion that the Jedi were good guys. I sometimes wonder how the story would have gone had Anakin been able to save his mother's life.
I think the best scenario will be qui gon Jin did not die and stay with anakin. Qui gon Jin is the first person who understand anakin. And he could possibly take the role of father. And save anakin's mother.
@@dlrldnjs04 false Qui gon would not have saved Anakin’s mother he didn’t care about her . He only wanted Anakin and once he had Anakin he would have come up with some excuse not to go back for her. Qui gon is not a good man he is a zealot who is obsessed with the chosen one legends and prophesies.
@@satinekenobi4ver855 any proves that why he is obsessed at prophecy? And as I mentioned I said the best "scenario" I am not sayung they should make that lol.
You may want to actually listen to Obi Wan when he mentions why he didn't kill Vader: he wasn't a murderer, and doing so would've put him on the same path that brought Anakin to the point of being a maimed and burnt shell of a man. It highlights another situation where Obi-Wan succeeded in where Anakin failed. When Anakin had Dooku at his mercy, he did the easy thing instead of the right thing.
@decepticonxhunter4850 it was different. Killing Anakin was the merciful thing to do. Obi Wan chose cruelty and hid it behind moral superiority and self-delusion. I'd argue that Kenobi chose the dark side in that moment.
Lukes face on the post thumbnail is like, “You wrong for that Uncle Ben.” Ben Kenobi though, “Nah, nah…he earned that Luke.”
I kind of agree with obi wan. Yeah he had a fear of losing people. He was just a strong. Person looking for more power by any means but obi wan should realize the Jedi are not completely blameless in his downfall.
One thing that NEVER crossed Obi Wan's mund is that Yoda might be wrong. Whi changed the Jedi rules that had stood for thousands of years, Yoda.
No... Yoda did not do that. Jedi long before his time did that. Also, Yoda wasn't wrong. Anakin _was_ twisted into a monster by his own dark nature. Argue it any way you want, a man who kills children has no legs to stand on and I am tired of these apologists saying otherwise.
@@Tahkaullus01Totally agree. Anakin is a child killer, no ifs ands or buts about it. He was too far gone.
Ah. This is how Luke found out about all of the things before the Empire
I want to see Shadows Of The Empire return to canon as a live-action movie with a scene like this with flashbacks from the prequel trilogy and The Clone Wars.
I think Anakin would have preferred to be mercifully killed. A lot of what drove his hate and rage was being abandoned on Mustafar.
This was amazing I felt like I was reading straight from both actors it was engaging good stuff 🙏🏻
Anakin kind of reminds me of Job from the bible don't know if I spelled the name right but In the end he got played by both sides to see were his heart was the most. In the end he lost everything for nothing and suffered so long for a short relief in the end with his son.
All of Job's kids die in the story. Are you thinking of Abraham and the binding of Issac?
@@JBFJBFJBF probably sorry it's been awhile since I've done any bible reading and knew I was treading water by using that as an analogy.
Job didn't get played by by both sides. God used Satan to humble Job out of his self-righteousness. It starts becoming more apparent where he talks about the kind of pride he took in ppl going all the way out to the city gates just to get his advice and starts accusing God of punishing him for no reason. It is after God checks him(chapters 38-41) that he begins to see what God saw in him the whole time(Job 42:1-6).
@@decepticonxhunter4850 Job was devoted to God and then Lucifer and God got together to basically see how devoted he was In his faith to God that's when the games began. God let Lucifer mess with job in the most devious of ways to see what it took to break him. So ya it was a game to both Lucifer and God to see what it took to mess with someone devoted to you and your ways. If that's not being fucked with them I don't know that the definition of it means then. So ya it was a game to both god and Lucifer
Wonderful job, my friend. Your storytelling is exquisite. Big ups!
I miss star wars
What a Jedi Master that Obi… So, he battles & lets Vader survive, leaving untold numbers of his surviving Jedi to be killed by said Vader...
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Awesome, thank you!
It's kind of sad that Anakin, who was a slave his whole life, was saved by his heroes (Jedi), wanted to become a Jedi and by doing so fell to being a "slave" to the Jedi order. Never truly free, always being held down by others and, most importantly, himself. That's just tragic.
Then, swapping out being a slave to the Jedi Order to being a slave to the Emperor, thus finally becoming free from being a slave to both sides of the Force after killing the Sith Lord decades after he helped destroy the Jedi, because at the end of the day he did achieve the prophecy of bringing balance to the force by destroying both the Light side and Dark side of the Force, something the Jedi Order and Palpatine interpretated it wrong
It's actually incredibly hard to believe that obi wan actually thought that way about Anakins fall, he was literally a victim of poor circumstances his entire life until he became Vader. And his first memory that wasn't slavery was the Jedi leaving his mother for dead(more than a good reason to have abandonment issues.) Glad this one stayed legends and not cannon tbh
I mean even in the kenobi show this is contradicted. We see Obi wan clearly apologizing to Vader. Saying he felt terribly about all the things that happened.
He wanted to view it that way probably but he couldn’t quite do it.
I never stopped feeling sorry for Anakin. He was born into slavery. And to condense everything, he never stopped being one.
Boy the Jedi were soooo out of touch of reality. Ben really thought that Anakin didnt come from an unfortunate circumstances??? Jesus.
The moral, Luke is that I chose a half measure. I didn't do what I knew was necessary and he murdered billions more. No half measures from you.
Skywalkuh, put your lightsaber away Skywalkuh
@@someguy403im not having a duel with you right now, skywalkuh
Obi-Wan misunderstanding Anakin isn't too unbelievable (aside from the Rako Hardeen arc) Obi-Wan lives by the Jedi Code and is a Jedi, through and through. Jedi who lived their entire lives as Jedi in the Jedi Order before the Empire, don't understand feelings in the slightest, much less empathy.
After watching the Clone Wars, I no longer ask "Why did Anakin turn?" I ask "Why not?"
Hmm... you don't pay much attention to Clone Wars do you?
Two words: Satine Kryze.
Obi-Wan knew _exactly_ what it was like to have his loyalties split, but he _and Satine_ both agreed for the good of their respective people that such acts would not be conducive or healthy to keep up.
People look at Anakin and Padme and see a love story - I look at them and see a toxic disaster that was waiting to happen.
I look at Satine and Obi-Wan and see two _adults_ who see the bigger picture and are willing to make real sacrifices for the betterment of others, not just their small selves.
Tell that to Yoda and Obi watching Anakin slice and dice the younglings. That really shook them up.
If Obi-Wan killed Vader on Mustafa when he had the chance. I honestly don't think it would've changed much in the grand scheme of things. Vader was powerful and a scourge to the galaxy. But by that point the Emperor had already issued order 66 and the Jedi Order was done for. While I don't think he could've found someone as powerful as Vader, Palpatine definitely could've found a replacement.
Remember the younglings
I so wish we could go back and Luke would of never died. Killing him like that was so stupid
Obi Wan should have given Vader a merciful 💀 rather than walk away while Vader burned.
In the kinobi show they have the line where Vader says “you didn’t kill Anakin, I did” so in that context what ObiWan told Luke was actually just him quoting his father.
"What I told you was true, from a certain point of view." 😂
im always here 4 the force...
great video ❤
My god, you sound exactly like Obi Wan from the Clone Wars.
whats this music? I hear it almost every Star Wars video
I've been asking this for a while man
That's not entirely true though. Anakin did have an extremely hard life and because of this he did fear loss a lot. That's why he craved such power to begin with so that he protect those that he cared about from losing them
nah, he had that one emotion of himself as true, he was impatient and wanted to make things based on his interest, and thats not the jedi ways, sure he losthis mother but luke didnt even do anything when his aunt and uncle died. It was reasonable he killed all those sand people but he couldnt control his anger and that leads to fear and leads to suffering which then leads to the dark side
@@sethinigo5757I don't think you understand. Anakin's character. He went through great lengths to protect everyone that he came across in the Jedi order. He did not want to lose anyone, especially those that he cared about. If you saw the clone wars, there was the one episode where the person who brought Asoka to the Jedi Temple was in trouble out in space and they all told Anakin and ahsoka to leave the Jedi and stick to the plan. Anakin was like no, I'm going to go save him. Anakin was never taught how to healthily manage his emotions. He was always told to just ignore them, push them down because fear leads to the dark side. But the Jedi themselves feared the dark lords returning so much that they refused to believe that they were back for a long time and that's what gave them such an edge over the Jedi. Anakin would sacrifice his own life to protect those that he cared about and the Jedi tried to tell him that that was wrong. Yeah, that would push me to the dark side too. That's a terribly hard upbringing being a slave for most of your life than being a slave to the Jedi order. It's like he just traded one slavery for another. He had a totally hard life. The only father figure he knew was killed. Then his mother was killed
@@sethinigo5757Luke had both his aunt and uncle. He had parental figures to teach him how to handle his emotions. Luke only had his mother and then was ripped away from her before he was taught. Fully how to engage in real life situations where you need to control your emotions. He was taught just to push them down. Be mindful of your emotions but don't do anything to make sure that you don't bottle them up inside like a normal human being and then they just explode one day like
@@sethinigo5757Then he had his best friend and master Obi-Wan not stick up for him at all. Yeah I would totally go to the dark side. Well not really because I'm one of those people that there would be no light side or dark side. I would just be simply with the force
All they had to do was listen to him. All that know it all shit in the order. I’d flip sides too
I wonder if Luke would’ve stayed a Jedi if he knew how bad the Council treated Anakin…
How did they treat him bad. He knew the rules of the jedi order.
Anakin was not treated poorly, they believed he wasn’t ready to be a part of the council, they were ultimately right.
You think Luke would go to the dark side if he knew how many younglings Anakin killed!?
The really interesting question is did he recover his Lightsaber before he left the Deathstar.
Yes
It's on his belt in the celebration scene at the end of Return of the Jedi, so he prob just pulled it to himself. Can't imagine it was more than 3 meters from where he was electrocuted and probably closer to where Vader leaned over the railing.
Great narration and vid
Dont let this distract you from the fact Obi-Wan killed Darth Maul in anger.
I like how Obi-Wan claimed that Anakin and Vader were different people, because he wasn’t entirely wrong. As Anakin, he cares and feels, while Vader is a cold blooded monster. I believe that in a weird way, Anakin and Vader are (boarder line) different personalities.
You said, "I believe that in a weird way, Anakin and Vader are (boarder line) different personalities."
I believe that you're on the right track. George Lucas' Anakin/Vader creation seems like a variation on Robert Louis Stevenson's Dr. Jekyll/Mr. Hyde. There's a chock-full of psychology going on there with split personalities and even Carl Jung's archetypes of the Hero and the Shadow.
Remember this point, Lucas devoured Joseph Campbell's work, The Hero with a Thousand Faces, while writing his screenplay. Campbell embraced Carl Jung's method and the latter's archetypes as psychological vehicles to help human beings become better people as they embarked on their version of the hero's journey. Lucas made his original trilogy with Campbell's and Jung's ideas flying all over the silver screen.
To be fair, the distinction of Vader and Anakin was made by the guy himself when he tells Kenobi "I am not your failure...Obi Wan. I killed Anakin Skywlaker". After this Obi Wan proceeds to call Anakin/Vader "Darth", as we know that is a title meaning "Dark Lord of the Sith". There Anakin and Darth Vader became 2 separate entities, and even Luke in Episode 6 tells Darth Vader that he knows that he was Anakin Skywalker once, and after semi accepts that his father was "truly dead". There we see the struggle in Vader, for Luke was the Catalyst for Balance, It was the knowledge of his Children and the fight his Son was carrying into saving him and bring him back to the Light Side.
So, it was well enough that Obi Wan had a definite separation of the 2 personalities of the same person and address them as such.
Wow! Great video!
Thanks!
The obiwon voice over is top tier
Why didn't he just look at R2-D2 on his memory card!🤔🤔
Luke Was Chill He Probably Thought.. Oh Well Shit Happenz 😂😅
After listening to Kenobi's journal, i find the Disney+ Kenobi show to be very .....stupid
Disney Star Wars is 💩
I would have never left anakin there I would have gotten him and took him to medical and helped him regain himself back to the light
Obi Wan sensed that the Emperor was rapidly approaching their location. If he had tried to get Anakin back to safety then Palpatine would have caught them.
@@Da1337ManObi Wan would have fucked Palpatine there since Anakin was stronger then him💀
I have the book mentioned, but what is this comic book called?
Anakin did nothing wrong 👌
Luke had phantom hand pains? You would think that wouldn’t happen since he actually could feel with his robot hand.
"i soon found out vader survived"
He found out like 10 years later in the obi-wan show didnt he? How is 10 years "soon"?
Because this story is from Legends. The "Kenobi" show is canon. He found out Vader survived differently in Legends: th-cam.com/video/G7TJGwA9zW0/w-d-xo.html
I call all times soon -Aslan
they should do a force vision flash forward for obi own show about this
Why didn’t R2 just tell him everything that happened…
If Obi Wan just finished off Anakin a lot of trouble would have been avoided.
Obi-wan already knew deep with inside himself how to distinguish the difference between Anakin Skywalker and Darth Vader.
When I watch Star Wars movies, the TV series and the small Disney+ series as well as the comics you have to put your mindset in a different position on how you view things so in my interpretation of revenge of the Sith we have Anakin Skywalker and Darth Vader, two different individuals. In the real world let’s say you and a friend have been through it all, however your friend decides to go a different path on their own and down that path that they have chosen is wrong and you do everything in your power as a good friend to help that individual but if they cannot be saved of course there will be a fight that breaks out and you end the relationship between yourself and your friend. You see there is a video on TH-cam here talking about Star Wars, it’s like a documentary but it was explaining how these heroes and villains are shown in the real world and if our mindsets are putting that into the real world.
So you see that’s my interpretation of how I understand what Obi-Wan Kenobi did when he already knew when Anakin Skywalker submit himself and gave up everything that he stood for to become this newly character Darth Vader that he swore to destroy because if you look at it and break down the scene on Musta far of how Anakin and Obi-Wan are fighting it’s completely different than he usually fights when they were up against Count Dooku
Luke could only make off handed remarks to this!
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I would say most people feel sorry for Anakin in some sense. Really is a sad story
I think when showed us darth vaders picture his lightssaber turend to kylo rens lightsaber
Anakin was a Person with a lot of Weakness Mentally..
Luke should just watch the prequels, I think he'd enjoy them!
Luke learned in “machete order.” Just like my kids will.
"A certain point of view?" 😁
I like how r2 was following him the whole time and said nothing
Imagine this story in the cinema.... oh Disney 😅
The Jedis are the true bad guys here. Their ideas of blocking out love, not getting involved in politics, taking babies away from their parents. Vader is a product of the Jedi's
6 mins in all the obi talk should have been start of obi show lol
Cain someone please put a stop to theese strikes from happing its putting movies in trouble
what comic is this
This story is from the book "The Life and Legend of Luke Skywalker" by Ryder Windham. It's not a comic
Shame Obi wan left out the killing of the younglings , Luke knew Vader was bad but this would have showed just how bad. Just how far the Darkside pulled Vader as warning for Luke .
This is what happens when you leave an enemy behind.
i thought he lost his arm! yet he has both hands in comic
Luke? He had his right hand cut off and then he got a cybernetic hand shortly after
He was not a weak being with abandonment issues... that would be Rey
Why does people still can't accept Kenobi was the greatest failure of the Order.... he was the PERFECT Jedi, therefore their greatest mistake.
Made obi wan the hero of the leaf deciibe everybody he accept discrimination in place of honor and accept hate in place love Anakin he bad asf
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Luke got his answers from Ahsoka in Book of Boba Fett. It's why he gave Grogu the ultimatum to choose between the Order and the Mandalorian. After what had happened to his father due to his personal attachments to his mother, Luke was determined to make sure nothing like that ever happened to another Jedi trainee. He took it too far, however, and thought to slay his own nephew when Ben Solo could not let go of his attachments to his mother and his father (and to his uncle most especially). So Luke was going to kill Ben because Ben loved him. How twisted is that? Luke's fear over what happened to his family destroyed his efforts to rebuild the temple.
Disney destroyed that. In the previous canon, before Disney, Luke reformed the Order's philosophy to control their emotions and passions, rather than simply suppressing or dismissing them. They began to allow marriages and recognized that without emotions they would become "robots" similar to the order of Anakin's time.
What we fail to realize is that we're all Darth Vaders and we're all slowly becoming tyrants. Our kids will see Star Wars through different eyes.
Two generations for failed fathers. This isn't going to be good. Joseph Campbell is right about many things.
Jawas should have cleaned this place out years ago.
You know how good Star Wars was when you watch the new star wars 🤮
You know someone is making a comment for likes when they say basic stuff in it that most people would agree with.
anakin, vader or whatever name he chose has no bearing on who he was. he murdered a bunch of children who trusted him. obiwan should have placed his foot on his head and shoved him him deeper into the flow of lava. simple
If you didn't ask him yourself I don't believe you
Yes but Spock was dead and Captain James T Kirk left Spock’s body on the planet Genesis. How was he to know that this would bring him back to life???
I dunno. I've still never been convinced that Anakin had enough to cause a fall. It all seems contrived and forced (pun intended).
Yes his mother being tortured and killed while he was off having a grand time training.
His failing relationship with Padme was his own doing though. His insecurities caused him to think and say things Padme didn't need to or shouldn't have heard.
His feelings about Obiwan neglecting him and the council constantly being unsure about him becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. "They hate me so look at how I behave, now they hate me."
He murders a bunch of children?
It's just SO forced. I could easily rearrange some bits by removing the silly parts and building for a deeper threat for Anakin that makes more sense why he would fall. Anyone interested in my take, ask. This is already too long..
If you don't understand the actions of the Jedi, you'd fall to the Sith, as an ignorant, arrogant child. Much of what Anakin was denied, so too were countless Jedi. A lot of what the Jedi "failed" to provide weren't failures. It was trying to teach Anakin the importance of not living in emotion. Emotion kills quicker than bullets, sabers, anything.
I don't like the separation of Anakin from Vader. I think it allows Anakin to avoid accountability by taking on a new identity and everyone accepting that. When Ahsoka faces him she should have told him that no matter how much he wanted to pretend to be someone else, he was still the person who never gave up on her, who believed in her even when others lost faith, who said he'd never let anyone hurt her, and who refused to allow or accept her dying, who literally SAVED her life by transferring the life force of The Sister, and that this physical and metaphorical masking could not protect him from being accountable for his actions. He used to be strong, brave, admirable, and kind, and he dishonored his wife, mother, and best friends by embracing the dark side in his pitiful weakness and stupidity. He was manipulated and fooled by Palpatine, and thats pathetic, but he's still responsible for his choices and actions. He squandered everything.
I think Obi Wan just gave up on Anakin after he killed those younglings. In his mindset he was beyond saving reason why he left him to burn on Mustafar.
Obi Wan has let Vader live twice now. He's running out of excuses at this point
The diary entry shows me Obi Wan is basically the epitome of a memeber the out of touch, priveleged elite. People who never had to face hardship or difficulty and struggle for anything. Such people tend to be judgmental of trauma victims and and petty criminals because they do not understand how adversity can shape a person, or how a person might do bad things just to survive.
Obi-Wan Kenobi has faced war and strife, love and loss, endless sadness. He was the trauma victim, losing his best friend the monster who had deceived everyone - not just the Jedi, _everyone_ - and become the ruler of an entire galaxy.
And 'just to survive?' Anakin _murdered children_ to survive? You are a truly sick person if you think that is acceptable.
@@Tahkaullus01 Sorry what are you even going on about? I'm talking about Anakin's life on Tatooine where he and his mom didn't even know if they would eat the next day, or thought it was a good day if they weren't beaten and didn't go to bed hungry. You know: the most basic necessities of life?
If you don't think being someone else's literal *property* - a human who can he sold and bastered by someone else with no say and no rights- and then being forced to take part in a dangerous sport whilst still a child for the enrichment of someone else is traumatizing, then you don't know anything about trauma.
...and who are you talking about? Vader never ruled the Galaxy. He "decieved everyine". So what, he was always planning on becoming Vader? We must not have watched the same movie.
Anakin's life was pretty much nothing but trauma from Day #1. Obi Wan grew up safe, healthy and fed in the Jedi Temple, whereas some of Anakin's earliest memories were of being beaten and starving. Anakin diced with death daily on the most dangerous planet inthe galaxy and in the pod races. He was seperated from his mom, taken to a strange place then lost his main caegiver the space of a couple of days.
He then gets put into the care of a guy who never wanted him and called him dangerous. That was Obi Wan. All this happened before he was 10 yeara of age.
That's traumatic. Incedibly and unspeakably traumatic- and threre's studies showing trauma impacts children in much worse way than it does adults.
Obi Wan was 25 before suffering his first major bereavement or adversity. That's fortunate. Don't give me that "infinite sadness" nonsense: the book that's from isn't even canon anymore. Obi Wan suffered no more loss and sadness than anyone else who went through the Clone Wars: including Anakin who also lost his Padawan in that conflict, and had to be traumatized by his Masterr faking his death in front of him. .
So Woobie lost a friend...... yeah lots of people lose friends. Its sad, but its hardly suffering more than anyone who ever lived in the history of the universe.
Its hardly "endless and terrible". Especiallly since he had a fair idea of what Palps was doing and made no attempt to stop it.
Also, if you think that being literally groomed from childhood by a pyschopath like Palpatine isn't traumatic you know nothing about trauma. If you think its somehow worse for the person who "loses someone" to grooming than the person being groomed you also know nothing. Are you Jon Snow, or something?
Yes, Obi Wan has trauma. But he's not the only trauma victim of the Star saga. Nor the worst. Not by a longshot. Oh I know you like to say he is to make him seem like the noble victim or martyr or something, but let's not forget he represented a religious organization which killed kids- Ahsoka was 14 when she became a commander- used slave soldiers- the Clones and never saw any of it as wrong.
Of course Anakin killing kids was bad- so is sending them into battle and abandoning them in warzones. .Woobie Wan is still an out of touch elitist. He's not a poor wickle victim because his left his friend to burn alive when he could have had the balls to finish him off.
0:50 obi wan was known for bending the truth LOL ! Reminds me of this th-cam.com/video/pSOBeD1GC_Y/w-d-xo.html
Typical Obi-Wan to obfuscate even in his diary 😂
Says whom
Source is cited in the video