I was gonma sat, it is pretty inspiring to hear about this college kid still living at home with no football experience who became one of the biggest names in sports just off of hustle alone.
@@don-lucpicard9411 I mean you may be right, but I cant understand hating him or anything. He's not really hurting anyone, and drafting players is basically a game of chance for even the GMs and coaches. Lile this video calls Mel out for praising Jamarcus Russle, but he went 1st overall so clearly other people thought he was great too. All any analyst does is state their opinion and guess.
Doesn't matter 95% of scouts and teams have it wrong. Just look at Tom Brady picking Tampa Bay. Came out and picked the Bucs and everyone said they couldn't win the superbowl. Scout versus someone that played against the Bucs. Simply put unless you put pads on no one can look at film and have idea what the player can do.
@@brianfoley7342 Really ain't serious when they said "Brady can't win without Bill Belichick"! Then all of ESPN anyalists where saying Brady might not make superbowl. Where did you get the Bucs didn't look shaky at 3-2 to start out the season?
@@Theckonestrohyou said “Cane out and picked the Bucs and everyone said they couldn’t win the superbowl”. You did not say after they started a shaky 3-2 everyone said they couldn’t win the superbowl. When he “came out and picked the Bucs”, TB became one of the favorites to win the Super Bowl. If you would like my take on after they were 3-2, next time be more specific in your post.
Before Mel Kiper, there was no such thing as "A draft expert". Now every network has 2 dozen of them. He actually created his own business and own niche. That's the American Dream.
Yea for real there really isn’t even a way to be a draft expert lol if you really think about it it’s all a gimmick. College stars don’t pan out all the time.
Yup! Thats 100% correct. The draft wasn't even that big of a deal before he started talking about it. Now the draft is this huge attraction, and Mel like him or not, was a part of that growth.
I gotta respect the hustle. He’s wrong 90% of the time and still everyone asks him every year what he thinks and gets a nice fat salary. Dudes a genius 🤣
No there are some players who transcend location and maybe not plated well but mr care was no good ever he was never gonna be successful in the nfl just like Bradie Quinn Brett Farve and Tom Brady oops
Miner was actually not a horrible plater and if he was a 2nd tier guy that would have been a back up sitting behind a successful starter who could have taught him he could have been a 15 yr player
As a Texans fan you cannot blame David Carr for what happened. We were a fresh franchise with an atrocious OL. If he goes anywhere else he probably wins quite alot.
Mel Kiper once said “The Texans took him 1st overall, then forgot about him” referencing how they completely neglected the O line protecting him. Facts
@@eduardopena5893well that's just not how things work buddy. This whole athlete should be able to pick where they go isn't it. If you're a really good player you're going to go to a team that didn't do well last year. That's how the leagues try to balance themselves out.
@@matthewrock4725 I guess you aren't familiar with John Elway who REFUSED to play for Baltimore and Bo Jackson who REFUSED to play for Tampa Bay. That's how Elway wound up in Denver and Bo wound up with the Raiders.
@@vdiddystudios8043 no I'm seriously not white people really act like they don't got a privilege in the world the shit is hilarious the fact Mel Nvr played football not even at a collegiate level no black man would have been able to do that pre 1980
The issue with Kiper is that he is always 100% certain with every take he has. If he just said he didn't like a player, people wouldn't care. But he always says that a guy he doesn't like is without a doubt a bust and that the team is stupid for picking them, and he still has that attitude no matter how many times it has bit him in the ass
any of us could go up there in a $2000 suit and puke out some dull opinions. Unfortunately that sort of personality and sharp opinions get him his seat at the table. But i agree. Its annoying and i just stopped watching ALL draft coverage altogether. It is really is a massive waste in time. Imagine trying to guess the winners of an auction weeks in advanced based on the best value of product and who was buying. Its just stupid. I just check my phone at the end of day two and see what we get to look forward too.
How can you shit on him for having all these guys rated highly, when NFL teams took these guys just as highly as he had them lmao? It’s the NFL Draft, you’re inevitably wrong extremely often.
Jewish mothers *WORSHIP* their sons. That's how, despite centuries of debate among theologians, you *KNOW* that Jesus was Jewish; his mother thought he was God and he, thought she, was a virgin.
@@NeverTalkToCops1 Dude, that's legitimately the funniest thing I've ever heard! 😱😭☠️ Just more proof that atheists are always the most clever people in the room. Pro Tip for anyone paying attention; Should your massive inferiority complex that's been boiling in a stew of covetous narcissism, *constantly* spill over with the need to flaunt your superficial, pseudo-intellectualism, so as to achieve the approval and attention you thought you were due but went to others far less deserving - Simply cease every opportunity, however tenuous, to shoehorn in some kind of joke or idiomatic expression that lets everyone know you do not believe in God, religion, an afterlife, *what-fkn-EVER* and that you maintain dismissive contempt for any room temperature I.Q. knuckle dragger who does. Cuz ebrybuddy knowze that the smartest people who ever lived, like Tesla, Einstein, Newton, Dostoevsky, Plato, Aristotle, Solzhenitsyn, Da Vinci, Abdessellam Jelloul, Christopher Hirata, Emmanuel Swedenborg, Shakespeare, Carl Gauss, James Maxwell *NONE* of them were theists! Oh... Uh... Wait a minute... Well, nevermind, it doesn't matter!!! Everyone on Facebook and is a good Democrat *KNOWS* that only dummies believe in God and atheists are the way they are because they're just too damned smart to believe in a man in the clouds!!! 😤👎
My biggest takeaway from this is the most impressive thing about Mel Kiper is he saw the growing popularity of the draft in the late 70s and was probably one of the first to brand themselves as a 'draft pundit'
To be fair Bruce Irvin in the first round was a reach. If he was basing it off of that then fair. Just having Bobby Wagner and Russell Wilson as the next two picks more than makes up for it
They knew they had a once inna decade type team. And they had the most dominant defense in the NFL history. They had room to pick up whoever they wanted to fill in those small gaps of talent. People can hate but still as being a giants fan, that seahawks team was wild
@@tylernugent3617 if Russell Wilson pulled off the back to back SBs, i think he would be knocking on the door of the Hall. Then that draft would have pulled off Irvin Wagner and Russ. Look through best drafts ever by every team and I’ll take the Seahawks 2012. Again, one yard away from grabbing 2 HoF’s on both sides of the ball, with a 1st round fringe immediate starting LB to boot.
Watching this waiting for mels horrible picks and then having to double check if I clicked the right video because it started feeling like an autobiography of Mel kiper 😂😂
I think a lot of these "busts" are guys who were put in bad situations. David Carr comes to mind. He was forced to start right away and had no help. At that point he becomes Footsteps Falco from the Replacements. He definitely missed on some like JaMarcus, but every one has misses. I enjoyed his banter with McShay.
Pretty much anyone on that chair is gonna be a hack. Nobody can tell you when young players are gonna be great nfl players. We’ve seen the proof year after year. Bill in mew England is supposed to bc a football genius. How many great picks has he made over the last ten years? It’s not an easy thing to do.
@@jebadiahfyefye8994 Difference is Mel goes out of his way to double and triple down his picks. Anyone who goes above and beyond to consistently make terrible draft decisions should be singled out from the other people that make mistakes.
@@SuperOmnicronsj44 Bill Tobin, he was the man responsible for the drafting of Harrison and Faulk in Indy and currently overseeing the Bengals rebuild starting with Joe Burrows. And unlike Kipper, he actually played at professional level as a running back in the 1960s. Can we please stop celebrating Mel's mediocrity?
@@DanTheMailman330 If only enough people gotten the sense but it seems they bought into the hype from what they learned from 1994. I wonder how many of them are even aware that Tobin drafted Faulk that same draft class.
@@MrCveedub When you can't read a defense and get rid of the ball you are going to get sacked. Not knowing when to step up into the pocket or take it outside the box is a problem. Carr did not have good football awareness.
The players grade is more important than picking the exact spot someone goes at. It only takes 1 Raiders left field pick to change the way the rest of the 1st round goes.
Exactly. The whole "getting 20 picks wrong in a row" doesn't mean shit. "Fucking up" is saying someone will be trash and they become a star, or vise versa. And even then, even the best GMs and talent evaluators let star players fall to the 4th and 5th rounds (meaning literally EVERY team "missed" on that player). It's basically an educated guess. All you can do is educate yourself by studying the player on and off the field, and then you hope they develop into what their potential is.
This dude is a PERFECT example of the fact that being loud, and having an opinion, doesn't mean you're right. You can somehow build a career for yourself on tv by being loud, and having an opinion, but history will eventually prove whether you are just throwing darts at a board like everyone else, or whether you actually know what you are talking about. This video shows that I could do as good a job as this dude does at analyzing college players.
@@christianbraun8290well you scout for years . How much time and reports do you need ? Most of the time it’s mental health for players or not a good fit with the management
WAIT! WHAT!? I DISAGREE WITH DAT BIG TIME. IF THERE IS A BUST HERE, IT'S NOT YOURS MADAM, IT YOU AND YOUR TH-cam SPORTS. I'M! MEL! KIPER! YOU'RE THE BUST!
Well said. I would also add if one is going to rate the draft experts.such as what Mikerophone attempts to do in this video one does not need to use useless metrics such as whether Mel's picks hit exactly in the order of the draft (that type of metric would be categorically nonsensical). A better metric might be whether Mel was in the ballpark of getting the draft order right. For example, if Mel called a player to be picked #10 overall, was Mel at least within +-5 of the player's actual drafting order. Besides this metric (which I just made up), perhaps there are a ton of other more sensible metrics.
@@broganchapman3731 how am I a hater, I was defending Mel Kiper by pointing out that the draft is a crap shoot. Teams make mistakes on players they like too. But enjoy your day buddy.
Wait. If Favre was drafted further down than McGuire, but Kiper had them ranked evenly... then he was more accurate than NFL GMs. How is that him getting it wrong?
@@lasenyo7705 I think that’s a key thing to remember. NFL GM’s that do this for a living constantly make mistakes. Look at how many first round QB’s drafted in the last 10 years are still on their original teams, or even in the league. Kiper does no worse than them really.
To be fair, almost every analyst was very high on JaMarcus Russell. If you look back on draft previews, mostly everyone was saying the Raiders should draft him. But it was based on his potential rather than skill. If Russell has better Work Ethic, he might have succeeded but he didn't.
If Russell was taken by a more stable franchise, he might have turned his ability into talent. The Raiders would have probably ruined Peyton Manning and Aaron Rodgers.
Honestly Kiper is a genius. He invented mock drafts and has made tons of money out of it, as well as making it a thing for almost every so called analyst. I feel like it doesn’t even matter whether he’s right or wrong. Most of the analysts get the picks wrong.
No doubt. All the "experts" are wrong more times than not. And surprisingly alot of fans are usually right. The fans that dont just mindlessly regurgitate what the "experts" say anyways
I can remember listening to Joel Buchsbaum on the radio in the 80's talking about the NFL, which he focused a lot on upcoming draft prospects. He always had a lot of information on prospects, even marginal ones, and also had strong opinions on their abilities. I bet Mel Kiper was aware of him and may have copied a lot of techniques that Buchsbaum used to gather information about NFL prospects, and also may have copied Buchsbaum's gimmick in how he expressed himself in an outspoken manner. However, good for Kiper that he made a lot of money at it and a name for himself, while Buchsbaum died a forgotten man.
If analyzing a player's pro potential was easy there would never be busts. It's hard, Kiper may be wrong more than average, I really don't know but it's a hard profession.
Which is exactly why "draft experts" like Mel Kiper shouldn't exist at all. He doesn't have a clue what he's talking about and neither does anyone else. They watch a few plays of a guy on game tape and proclaim themselves as experts. I should have taken up this fraud of a career when I had the chance. Mel Kiper doesn't know anything more than the average NFL fan looking at draft picks.
@@logicaldude3611 expert doesn’t necessarily mean perfect. Just means he’s the top official in his field. Plus we all like to hear talking heads. If we didn’t, these networks would not exist.
Da'Quan Bowers, my absolute favorite moment from draft history. We sat and ripped Mel apart for years because of his behavior related to him in 2011. He went on and on about how he can't believe he's not drafted, raving about how he's the best available player in the draft. The dude is coaching now and only played for four years in the NFL after that draft and Mel was so far off the mark it was a running joke for us every year.
I remember Mel saying that Bowers, NOT Cam Newton was gonna go first overall. And that Newton could even fall to the second round. It’s like what the hell are you smoking and how much for it?
Truthfully, mock drafts and predicting how good a player will be at the next level are totally different. I think the insiders are good with which teams like which players but you gotta determine separately if those players are going to be any good. I usually focus on measurables and character, specifically trying to determine a guy’s work ethic/motor(preparation goes into this) combined with talent/athleticism.
Eli Manning never refused to play for Ernie Accorsi, he was the GM for the NY Giants when Eli was drafted by the San Diego Chargers, which is the team he refused to play for. It's ironic that Mike is doing a video about Mel Kiper's mistakes and he makes a huge one like that.
That might be true (not to mention really awesome), but it’s not nearly as sensational as the unfortunate events that went down while he was in the throes of addiction, so of course it’ll be reported w/ about 10% of the fervor as all his missteps were. Sad 😞
Before Kiper teams basically threw darts at a board or drew names out of a hat when they drafted. (Except for the Cowboys, they used a computer.) By today's standards Kiper might even deserve a spot in the Hall Of Fame for literally changing the way teams draft forever.
David Carr was the most hit quarterback multiple years. He was incredibly talented. I was a Texans fans, I was incredibly disappointed in how the oline and defense failed Carr and Foster year over year.
He has a point though, it's utter BS for the NFL to go after him when there are hundreds of NFL videos on YT they're perfectly fine with letting stay up.
I think it’s a stretch to call him trash, he certainly over hypes certain prospects and buys into narratives, which makes him more of an entertainer. But he’s also the reason the draft is relevant and popular so we owe him some respect.
@@samuelgingras6291 did you watch the video? At 2:11 he mentions how just recently he had 20 consecutive incorrect picks. I understand that teams are different from league to league but this guy has the probability of a coin flip to be right about a player or even be correct about a team’s draft choice. He’s awful plain and simple.
@@2Littoral I did watch the video, but more importantly have you ever watched any drafts? Crazy stuff happens before the draft and during the draft that can shift an entire set of rankings. Laremy Tunsil and the weed controversy, Aaron Rodgers falling from a projected top 5 to bottom first rounder, Owusu-Koromoah this year, Fields...it’s an inexact science and again read my f ing comment, I clearly say that he’s an entertainer more than an analyst.
Ole Jeff George.... I went to elementary school in Indianapolis and Jeff's Mother was our Secretary at the Pleasant Run Elementary. After he was drafted to the Colts I remember Jeff coming to the school and popping into our class room to say hey.. Kinda a cool moment for a kid as a Colts fan.
@@canesrule96 You obviously don’t understand his job. He’s an analyst that gives his opinion on players. No different than any other analyst on ESPN. Just because he’s wrong doesn’t mean he sucks. Every NFL coach, scout, and GM is wrong about players all the damn time
In Kiper's defense on JaMarcus Russel, he wasn't wrong about the skills. Russel had the skills to be one of the all time greats. It was his character and psychology that led him into becoming the biggest bust in NFL history. People forget how much praise this guy had coming out of college. Most "experts" thought he's be a generational talent. What they didn't count on was him becoming lazy and his mental health declining, due to several personal tragedies.
That's debatable. There are a lot of skills that go into being a pro level starting QB that has a good career. It isn't just arm strength. I don't believe JaMarcus' skillset translated to the NFL as well as many people thought it would. I don't think he was accurate enough to be a high level NFL qb. And mentally and work ethic wise he definitely wasn't there.
@@jesseaustin4089Jamarcus made plenty of pro throws within pro concepts at LSU and had good college stats. He got fat, addicted to lean, and stop caring once he got paid
I give the guy all the credit in the world!! He took his blank slate, an turned himself into an industry. He never even had to be successful. The ultimate weatherman of sports analysis, his persona created a charicature of himself that he has been able to sell to the public for over 4 decades! The ultimate little engine that not only COULD, but actually DID. Good for You, Mel 🤙🏻
I mean isn't that kind of the nature of sports culture in general? The draft just tends to be exceptionally unpredictable and he carved his own niche there.
Also, JaMarcus Russell could've definitely been amazing in the NFL. He had a literal cannon for an arm. His problem wasn't lack of talent it was lack of discipline and drive. Once he got drafted he was lost. Its like that was his only goal and once achieved he lost his desire.
He didn't have a literal cannon for an arm. He wasn't a cyborg or from the future. But he would not have been good anywhere else. He was lazy and didn't put in the work at all. Did you ever hear of when he lied about studying plays from a blank DVD?
@@michaelkeller5927 yea, I believe that would fall under lack of discipline and drive. Also, he had a cannon. That was one of his biggest positives. Look up any scouting report on him.
Word did you hear about how the raiders thought he wasn’t watching film so they gave him a dvd to watch and he came back and said yeah I watched it and yeah coach I learned all the plays. There was no dvd the coaches gave him a empty box. That’s how much discipline Russell had.
@@terminator23destroyer15 What are you talking about? He said he has the "highest ceiling" in his class. Had him going 12 overall. Most of his Mahomes stuff was glowing. Only bad things were he thought he turn the ball over, and his numbers in college might have been a bit high bc of the TT spread offense.
@@terminator23destroyer15 www.news-herald.com/sports/espn-analyst-mel-kiper-says-patrick-mahomes-has-highest-ceiling/article_601bbddb-dba0-53da-aca6-7338517320e3.html Sure, this article that pre supposed that draft is just made up.
Myself, and a small circle of friends were INTENSELY into the game of football (college and pro) from the time we were about 12 years old. This was about 1981. We watched every game possible in college (not many on TV in the early '80's) and every pro game possible. We would constantly quiz each other on stats, positions, and whether or not that position would translate into an NFL career. Fast forward to the early 90's when we were around 22 years old, and we knew every stat on every player both college and pro. We all kept thick notebooks with us. Wasted youth? Maybe, LOL My point is this: We would do our own "draft analysis" every year and then look back on who hit, and who did not. Guess what?? We did just as well as Kiper on hits/misses in the first two rounds. (Both of us around the 44% mark). But...... we hit on around the 49% mark on rounds 3 through 6 where Mel dropped into the mid 30% range. SO...... for a bunch of kids drinking beer and smoking pot, we did better than Mel. Yet he gets paid handsomely. Kudos to Mel for getting paid, but just sayin'.......... LOL
If you’re pretending that the NFL Draft comes down to a binary hit-or-miss - like the guy making this video is - then you don’t get it. And I can guarantee you that you’re giving yourself the benefit of what counts as a hit or miss, too.
In all fairness to Mel, JaMarcus Russell quit as soon as he got his first paycheck, and it’s usually pretty hard to predict that. I say “usually” because all of LaVar Arrington’s teammates KNEW once he got signed to his record contract football wouldn’t matter nearly as much to him. Edit: I meant Albert Haynesworth. My bad, Mr Arrington.
@@dudedurham no idea bud. Butt Arrington was pretty good but kind of fizzled out. But at least he did not literally lay on the ground on MNF during a play. Or refuse to take the fitness tests. Wow Arrington was a lazy player. Then again, he’s got a ton of money. I wish l could get paid that much for not working 😒
To be fair, David Carr would of been great on literally any other team. The Texans basically “Andrew luck’d” him. Didn’t invest in an OL and he was beat to hell.
It still drives me insane that Indy got a great O line better defense and a good running game after Luck retired. If they could've done any of that for Luck who knows how far he could've gone
Jeff George could throw the most beautiful deep ball I've ever seen. The guy had a howitzer for an arm. Too bad he was a tad selfish and lacked the work ethic required to cash in on his talent. Just look up his 1999 playoff game vs Dallas... Those deep bombs to Randy Moss were a thing of beauty.
The picture of Carr getting sacked is a perfect reason why he didn't last. Look at his lineman, he is sitting on the ground. While the Defensive player looks like a stud. You could say he could have dodged the players' attempt to tackle him, but it's happening 1 out of 3 plays. They also let up the most sacks or was 2nd for most sacks when Carr was the quarterback.
His career is rating players and providing his take on which players should be taken. The problem with this come draft day is you have 32 GMs that if one picks wildly, then the entire draft day can go offline than what was expected. I really think that Mcshay has been better in his career in rating players, but I think the two do a pretty good job considering. You can't predict that Jamarcus will eat himself out of the league in 2 years, or that Ryan Leaf is mentally unstable.
As you say, there is always a bad GM or 2 that blows up all of the mock drafts by "the experts". Plus, there are the trades that no one was expecting that also completely change the mock drafts. Watching the draft is great. I love watching the players and their family's dreams come true in real time. But, don't pay much attention to mock drafts which are mostly just gossip.
Exactly. You don't need talent, intelligence or frankly, even hard work to make it in life. You need persistence. And by that, I mean annoy the hell out of people until they give in and finally accept you.
I'm not a big draft day fan, but must admit, Mel Kiper really made it a big event, the sports channels will always give him the shine, he gave them a lot to talk about
@@getreal2592 These days you don't even need to do THAT for very long, just throw one hissyfit and everybody's bowing and kowtowing to you, especially if you're under 30.
Never been right? Tell that to Tom Brady. Back in the day, Mel Kiper thought TB12 was one of the top 10 quarterbacks in that 2000 draft. He saw talent and potential while virtually all the NFL front offices saw only question marks. Brady is now widely seen as the greatest draft steal in the history of the NFL and the Greatest Of All Time.
One of the guys on the Pat McAfee show does an incredible Kiper impression too. Watch Pat McAfee reacts to the chicago bears trade up for Justin Fields
What happened to David Carr wasn't really David Carr's fault that O-line had holes bigger than Mel Kipers mouth. By the time the O-line was solid Carr's body was so injury ridden that he was done.
David Carr was the first overall pick in the 2002 NFL draft by the Houston Texans. It wasn’t just Mel Kiper but also the NFL scouts who thought he was a potentially great NFL quarterback. Most of the time Kiper’s picks are almost aligned with the rest of the NFL scouts.
I've always hated that Carr was labeled a bust. A true bust is a guy who never puts in the work to make the transition to the pro game not one on a poorly managed team.
I take Kiper with a grain of salt although I have enjoyed his insights for more than 25 years now. After seeing this and learning that he started the whole game, he gets my respect.
@@TravelAdventureswithEricB Now don't get me wrong....the guy does his research. But in the end, none of us know where these guys are going to be drafted(except the few obvious exceptions), or what they're going to do once they get to the NFL.
He’s gets paid because he’s an entertainer who gives his educated opinion. He gets paid based on the revenue he brings to espn, not on how many hit or misses he has
Ok... Most people think every 1st round draft pick will be great, hince why they're picked 1st! Yet half of them are busts brother. Can't be right when you evaluate 300 players a year transitioning from college to the pros. (Also David Carr was a great QB but went to die in Houston)
That's a problem of the organization, not the talent. A poor organization can and does squander talent just as easily as a shit for brains prospect. Carson Palmer was drafted first. Ben Rothlisberger was drafted later by the Steelers and he is going to the Hall of Fame. Now if the Draft Gurus factored in the track record of the franchises that draft the players, that would be worth watching. A plus prospect with a D minus franchise rating for an overall C combined rating.
That’s why most 2nd through 10 picks are the best players 1st overall picks have to much pressure to succeed often ending up with the worst team around them
Bo Jackson was both a big draft bust and big draft steal. A bust for Tampa who poisoned their relationship with him to where he refused to sign him. A steal for the Raiders who picked him in the 7th round the next year.
Actually the biggest bust in NFL draft history is Mike Ditka trading all 6 of his draft picks in 1999 for Ricky Williams. You're supposed to use all your picks to build up your team. Not! to draft one player and hope/pray for the best. Mike Ditka is overrated as a head coach. Mike has been riding high off of the 1985 season Superbowl win. As bears HC mike's win% is 58.49%. Normally that would be good. But not when you have only one SB ring to show for all your work in 11 seasons. Then he tarnished his legacy with the most boneheaded decisions. I don't care how high on a player you're. No! player is worth your entire draft. I'm this ticked about it. I can only imagine how N.O Saints fans feel.
You have to guess the order, which is one thing, and talent, which is another. QB isn't the only position in the NFL, so it'd be nice to see how he evaluated other positions. Also, when it does come to QBs, talents can go to die for a shitty franchise, so that isn't Mel's fault either. I did enjoy the video, so thank you.
I like ole kiper, sounds like a success story to me. It would be next to impossible to predict who all these teams are going to take with their picks. I typically don't argue too much with his big board based off of talent
People need to understand that when he’s wrong on guys that went in the top 5, top 10, or even first round, an entire team of the best scouts in the industry, front office analysts, and coaching staff interviews all led to that pick. Mel is not the only one wrong on guys, and there isn’t a team out there that gets every pick correct. I don’t love Mel, but a bunch of people on couches who don’t seem to understand that no one is always right with this stuff. You’re going to be wrong. Yes Mel makes it much easier to look like an ass because he’s so adamant on draft day who will be good or bad, but that’s TV. No one will watch a guy whose analysis is “well he could be good, could be bad, he’s a decent play but you never know” for every single pick of the draft..
the guy is a genius. Sure he's not always right but what analyst is ? This guy created scouting for fans. We should all be thanking him. He literally brought scouting to our living room.
Every GM had a lot of mistakes especially with QBs :) I saw a video and someone said that 42 percent of QBs from round 1 will fail statistically.The problem with mock drafts is that there is a single trade or unexpected decision and then the domino falls.
Only 42%? Seems like more than that end up as a bust, especially in recent years. Shit just look at how many QB's the Browns picked in first rounds in the past couple decades before they picked Mayfield.
I was in college during the early-mid eighties and I would have loved to have an NFL draft show on ESPN because back then you had to just wait for the radio to announce draft picks for the home team. Sometimes the radio would cover the draft to reveal the first round pick, but you'd need to check the paper the next day to see how the draft when during all the rounds. I remember some years back I had a customer service job, which was not getting a lot of calls, so that year I became an ameture draftnick and really had the time to dig into all of the various teams needs. I remember that year the Broncos drafted a pick that I was really underwhelmed by who was Willie Middlebrooks. Middlebrooks appeal was he was an unusually tall cornerback and he was expected to excel at bumping receivers at the line and then being able to intercept passes. Middlebrooks was often injured and only started one out of the five year span he played in. A five year career is not exactly a disappointing career for some, since many players often only play one or two years, but given his draft position, more was expected of him.
Actually you were wrong on accorsi having two QBs that didn’t want to play for him. Elway didn’t want to play for him. Eli however didn’t want to play for San Diego but wanted to play for accorsis Giants
Elway didn’t want to play for Frank Kush, the Colts head coach. Elway stated in ESPN’s 30 for 30 ‘Elway to Marino’ that the first person he called for advice when he became Denver’s GM was Ernie Accorsi. I don’t think Elway had an issue with Accorsi at all. It was the Colts organization. Irsay was drunk on live tv ranting he wasn’t moving the team, fired the GM on the spur of the moment and just promoted Accorsi into the position with no warning for Accorsi. The team was a train wreck because of ownership and Kush was not a QB friendly coach. Elway’s dad had advised him to not play for Kush. Plus he had baseball, but I doubt that was more than leverage but Steinbrenner was convinced he was going to have Elway in MLB.
ESPN has never cared about it’s analysts being right. Kiper’s picks are always controversial. Controversy drives engagement. That’s what they want and that’s why Kiper has a job.
I know he’s wrong all the time but I respect his drive to get to where he is. Impressive how far he got on his passion alone. It doesn’t really bug me that he doesn’t have any experience because of how passionate it seems like he was about football
@@samuelgould4274 it absolutely is true. Not hard when everything he does is on tape. He's right far more then he is wrong on the top guys. People just show his bad opinions. This isn't a debate. I don't even like him but he has been right more then wrong
Tony mandarin (idk how to spell his last name) did return to to the nfl and did have couple really good seasons until he got injured again and he didn’t want to take painkiller again
JaMarcus Russell wasn't as bad as people choose to remember. I loved the idea of him as the Raiders starting quarterback. Het fit the Raiders perfectly.
@@dialecticalmonist3405 I don’t think it was ever the reason for lack of talent I think it’s lack of motivation and wanting to study the playbook and other teams
Mel has had some good calls too. Hes basically like every single NFL scout ever, but he figured out how to talk his way to the top. Some of his calls were only for attention. He talks about his Ls as quick as he talks about his good calls. That's someone who is cognizant of what they are doing.
Kiper invented modern draft analysis. You don’t have to have played a sport at D1 or professional level to comment on it. I seriously doubt Mikerophone played D1 or pro, but he’s still good at what he does. Draft analysis is pure speculation even an expert is going to be wrong far more than they’re right. If you want to hate on someone for sucking at their job so much you can’t believe they’re still employed, hit up Skip Bayless.
He was the gold standard when I was like 18 (so like the early early 2000's). But thats because there weren't a lot of other options. And he did give the regular person a full condensed list of players you could skim through and then make decisions on your own. So for that I listened to him a lot. Now? People on ESPN don't even take him seriously. He rarely talks, and when he does it's often talked over or interrupted. He's not the voice he once was because the business is so much bigger and every one wants their voice to be heard and be considered right. I don't care who you are, you're not getting every pick right, or every evaluation right. It's just not happening unless you're from the future. There are too many variables. I still think David Carr would have been a great quarterback if on literally any other team. He got the shit beat out of him that first year unlike any other rookie quarterback before or since. Eventually it takes its toll. Same thing with RGIII. Great quarterback, but how did we all know the guy was made of glass. And literally half of his special talent and skill was the ability to run. Not a good skill set when you literally break every time you get hit. To me Kiper is the reason the draft is so big the way it is. I think eventually it would have turned into big business (NFL rookies have a way of making immediate impacts unlike in baseball or hockey). But Kiper got it there faster, and he should be given credit for that. He saw something that I and a lot of you love (Kiper especially). And he turned it into a business model and gave us what we wanted. I mean he sucks now, and his input basically means nothing, but so does pretty much everybody else's. So, at the end of the day Kiper came first, and we should all respect that, even if there's nothing about him that's respectable. On a side note, his epic debates with McShay who you can tell he hates with a vengeance (and vice versa) is news worthy in itself. And should be put out there every year for all to see.
This reply sums up his case exceeding well. In his 2nd or 3rd year of publication I came across his Draft Report in it's trademark blue and read it. There was nothing like it anywhere and the best that was available before were magazines that issued monthly like SI and some local papers. These were amateur pieces that the best you could get from them is a list of players that were eligible for the draft. I found the address on the back of the report and started buying the each year. His phone number was even listed in the cover and I spoke with him a few times. I found him knowledgeable and professional. There are people with better contacts inside different teams than him and that is often the deciding factor in the quality of info regarding teams intentions in the draft. There is also considerable jealousy in this market and he has made a good living in it for more than 30 years. He has become nearly famous and has appeared on draft TV broadcasts night and day for many years. He is doing something right. I take him for what he is and have enjoyed his product along the way.
I love Trubisky in buffalo currently, I have no doubt he’ll be a starter next year and will do great if he has a coach that is actually competent. It’s crazy that Trubisky brought nagy’s offense to the playoffs TWICE.
I think Trubisky could still be a viable starter for the team with the proper supporting cast around him. I don't see him as being the next starter in Buffalo though. I can see him getting traded or released and starting in Pittsburgh as this is more than likely Big Bens last season. He would make an excellent bridge QB to give a rookie time to learn and develop under a new system
@@samuelneuin1988 yes, I should have specified not a starter in buffalo, more I applaud that he went to Buffalo for the “reset” like Beane said as opposed to taking a starting job elsewhere (where he would have likely not had a good supporting offense Around him)
@@louiemanzella4445 Not only can I see him starting in Pittsburgh, I can also see Denver as a potential suitor for him. He would be a decent mentor for Drew Lock
I don’t take anyone’s picks seriously, it’s a guessing game what each team will do, but Kipper made the draft what it is ! He’s earned the respect for his hustle !!
Mel actually is great at his job. He has a terrific memory and does a great job breaking down players quickly. I remember one year when Chris Berman was host an unknown FBS player was drafted on second day and he said at this point we simply turn and ask Mel who is this guy and Kiper had a breakdown of guy. I thought the late Joel Bushsbaum who did Pro Football weekly;s old Draft Preview was a better analyst and had a better preview but he was terrible on TV and no one touched Mel ;s ability on TV. He has always done a great jiob as TV analyst. Of course he gets thiunks wrong because NFL consensus which is what he shares is often wrong.
"ability onTV" maybe he should go to the WWE then instead of being wrong 80% of the time and smearing the names of good athletes on national TV. Wack ass comment from a clueless fanboy.
@@ignotouno523 That’s fair, but I’d bet he’s made a lot of spot on analysis, but you only see compilations of his errors. For all its problems, I’m betting ESPN sees his value, or he wouldn’t be employed this long. It’s irrelevant, I’m guessing he makes more than you and I combined...probably by a lot. He doesn’t need defenders, I’m just pointing out that the draft is kind of a crap shoot.
@@ignotouno523 A draft expert doesn’t mean he’s Nostradamus. It means he’s watched tons of film on every prospect. Anyone can bust and anyone can become a superstar. How else do you predict these things?
Exactly, analysts aren’t future tellers. They watch more film than anyone and give their opinions. Anyone can bust or anyone can be a beast, we don’t know. AKA Tom Brady in 6th
I think it's more impressive that his hairstyle hasn't changed in 40 years.
It might not have changed but it's been in full retreat for a while now.
Botox for hair???
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Except it is receding.
@Curtis Brown and older svp
6:12 is when he starts talking about the Mel kiper’s picks
Like the editing but this Mike stuff is always looooooooooooonnnnnng winded.. thanks for the timing
@@juniorp726 lol right?! How are there no MKJ clips?!
One thank you
Two shame on him for taking forever
Thank you I was getting very annoyed
@@madisonsaxon2726 me too
I don't take Kiper's takes seriously, but I do applaud him for his hustle to get to this point of his career.
99% of analysis are wrong lol because no matter what the stats show it's still just an opinion
Not bad for a snake oil salesman or a flim flam man.
I was gonma sat, it is pretty inspiring to hear about this college kid still living at home with no football experience who became one of the biggest names in sports just off of hustle alone.
@@stoneragan3870 I'm thinking it's more of a gifted tongue. But if this falls through, Kiper has a career as a weatherman.
@@don-lucpicard9411 I mean you may be right, but I cant understand hating him or anything. He's not really hurting anyone, and drafting players is basically a game of chance for even the GMs and coaches. Lile this video calls Mel out for praising Jamarcus Russle, but he went 1st overall so clearly other people thought he was great too. All any analyst does is state their opinion and guess.
Kiper is a joke, he’s the Steven Seagal of the NFL draft.
@jimfrazier8611he even kinda looks like Seagal. If Seagal had invested in hair growth and didn’t become a fatass
Doesn't matter 95% of scouts and teams have it wrong. Just look at Tom Brady picking Tampa Bay. Came out and picked the Bucs and everyone said they couldn't win the superbowl. Scout versus someone that played against the Bucs. Simply put unless you put pads on no one can look at film and have idea what the player can do.
@@Theckonestrohwhen Brady picked the Bucs, they became one of the favorites to win the Super Bowl.
What the hell are you talking about?
@@brianfoley7342 Really ain't serious when they said "Brady can't win without Bill Belichick"! Then all of ESPN anyalists where saying Brady might not make superbowl. Where did you get the Bucs didn't look shaky at 3-2 to start out the season?
@@Theckonestrohyou said “Cane out and picked the Bucs and everyone said they couldn’t win the superbowl”. You did not say after they started a shaky 3-2 everyone said they couldn’t win the superbowl.
When he “came out and picked the Bucs”, TB became one of the favorites to win the Super Bowl.
If you would like my take on after they were 3-2, next time be more specific in your post.
Before Mel Kiper, there was no such thing as "A draft expert". Now every network has 2 dozen of them.
He actually created his own business and own niche.
That's the American Dream.
Yea for real there really isn’t even a way to be a draft expert lol if you really think about it it’s all a gimmick. College stars don’t pan out all the time.
Yup! Thats 100% correct. The draft wasn't even that big of a deal before he started talking about it. Now the draft is this huge attraction, and Mel like him or not, was a part of that growth.
Fake it until you make it
True
A spindoctor, came in said you need a draft expert because of this and that and guess what, today is your lucky day because I just happen to be one 😂
I gotta respect the hustle. He’s wrong 90% of the time and still everyone asks him every year what he thinks and gets a nice fat salary. Dudes a genius 🤣
It's for entertainment.
Lol the teams be wrong 90% of the time too it’s a hard job
@@raheballentine6925 true that
90% of the time? He’s wrong 95% of the time! But still he is better than that biggest loudmouth quack of all time - Stephen A Smith!
@@grandwonder5858 haha true 😂
Okay, real talk. In David Carr's defense, no one could have gone onto a first year expansion team and played well that draft.
@Vaughn Thacker Exactly 😂
They should have took Juilliess peppers because they should have known no quarterback will be able to do much
No there are some players who transcend location and maybe not plated well but mr care was no good ever he was never gonna be successful in the nfl just like Bradie Quinn Brett Farve and Tom Brady oops
Miner was actually not a horrible plater and if he was a 2nd tier guy that would have been a back up sitting behind a successful starter who could have taught him he could have been a 15 yr player
David Carr was a huge waste of talent. He could have done very well on a team with even a middle of the road offensive line.
As a Texans fan you cannot blame David Carr for what happened. We were a fresh franchise with an atrocious OL. If he goes anywhere else he probably wins quite alot.
I think Carr was a pretty good QB, he just got killed by that horrible OL. If I was Carr, I would have refused to play for the Texans.
Mel Kiper once said “The Texans took him 1st overall, then forgot about him” referencing how they completely neglected the O line protecting him. Facts
Poor David, anyone taps him on the shoulder he freaks out and throws himself on the floor for safety.
@@eduardopena5893well that's just not how things work buddy. This whole athlete should be able to pick where they go isn't it. If you're a really good player you're going to go to a team that didn't do well last year. That's how the leagues try to balance themselves out.
@@matthewrock4725 I guess you aren't familiar with John Elway who REFUSED to play for Baltimore and Bo Jackson who REFUSED to play for Tampa Bay. That's how Elway wound up in Denver and Bo wound up with the Raiders.
I've got to give him props for turning his hobby which he had no talent or training for into a six figure a year career.
It's because he is white
@@gabeartis8208 Fact
@@gabeartis8208 😂 i hope you’re joking
@@vdiddystudios8043 no I'm seriously not white people really act like they don't got a privilege in the world the shit is hilarious the fact Mel Nvr played football not even at a collegiate level no black man would have been able to do that pre 1980
@@gabeartis8208 Dont think its hes white just not a dumbass lol
I wanted to see his worst takes, not his life story.
Right. Wtf is this shit.
Bad takes are his life story
@@Jfen79 Good point
exactly...would have also been great to hear, you know, mel kiper.
Exactly lol
I can't blame him for drooling over RG3. He really was an amazing talent
He was 100% destroyed by Mike Shannahan when he forced him to play on one leg.
Bigfootin' Deal = Mel Kiper?
@Greta Thanos are you going to act like RG3 didn’t win rookie of the year?
@Greta Thanos but he did beat Oklahoma in 2011..tf are you talking about.
@Greta Thanos he made the pro bowl in his rookie season
The issue with Kiper is that he is always 100% certain with every take he has. If he just said he didn't like a player, people wouldn't care. But he always says that a guy he doesn't like is without a doubt a bust and that the team is stupid for picking them, and he still has that attitude no matter how many times it has bit him in the ass
Absolutely
any of us could go up there in a $2000 suit and puke out some dull opinions. Unfortunately that sort of personality and sharp opinions get him his seat at the table.
But i agree. Its annoying and i just stopped watching ALL draft coverage altogether. It is really is a massive waste in time. Imagine trying to guess the winners of an auction weeks in advanced based on the best value of product and who was buying. Its just stupid. I just check my phone at the end of day two and see what we get to look forward too.
I’m certain he’s a narcissist
How can you shit on him for having all these guys rated highly, when NFL teams took these guys just as highly as he had them lmao? It’s the NFL Draft, you’re inevitably wrong extremely often.
Kind of like the Mel kiper of TH-cam
I know right? He put David Carr on the list as a bust, as if Jesus Christ himself could have created time to throw with that O-line. Ridiculous take.
@@thelastmanonearth2631 the hell are you talking about dude?The Lord would take that team to the playoffs EVERY TIME! AS IF!
@@barbaraGobert31 😂😂😂 that's fair enough! It was hyperbolic, but still!!! No NFL QB would have survived the Texans inaugural season anyway.
What a fantastic job to have - doesn’t matter that you’re wrong all the time! Lol
Just like a uk weatherman!
Watching Mel age in the intro montage made me realize he looks like an aging vampire…from now on, I will refer to him as “Count Draftula”.
You are damn right dude he don't age at all
Underrated comment
His parents seemed really supportive. That’s cool
Jewish mothers *WORSHIP* their sons. That's how, despite centuries of debate among theologians, you *KNOW* that Jesus was Jewish; his mother thought he was God and he, thought she, was a virgin.
@@AnodyneHipsterInfluencer We know jeebus existed because his gay sister, Sploonka, invented basketball.
@@AnodyneHipsterInfluencer 🤣🤣🤣
@@NeverTalkToCops1 Dude, that's legitimately the funniest thing I've ever heard! 😱😭☠️ Just more proof that atheists are always the most clever people in the room.
Pro Tip for anyone paying attention; Should your massive inferiority complex that's been boiling in a stew of covetous narcissism, *constantly* spill over with the need to flaunt your superficial, pseudo-intellectualism, so as to achieve the approval and attention you thought you were due but went to others far less deserving - Simply cease every opportunity, however tenuous, to shoehorn in some kind of joke or idiomatic expression that lets everyone know you do not believe in God, religion, an afterlife, *what-fkn-EVER* and that you maintain dismissive contempt for any room temperature I.Q. knuckle dragger who does.
Cuz ebrybuddy knowze that the smartest people who ever lived, like Tesla, Einstein, Newton, Dostoevsky, Plato, Aristotle, Solzhenitsyn, Da Vinci, Abdessellam Jelloul, Christopher Hirata, Emmanuel Swedenborg, Shakespeare, Carl Gauss, James Maxwell *NONE* of them were theists! Oh... Uh... Wait a minute... Well, nevermind, it doesn't matter!!! Everyone on Facebook and is a good Democrat *KNOWS* that only dummies believe in God and atheists are the way they are because they're just too damned smart to believe in a man in the clouds!!! 😤👎
@@AnodyneHipsterInfluencer Wowzers, triggered much?
My biggest takeaway from this is the most impressive thing about Mel Kiper is he saw the growing popularity of the draft in the late 70s and was probably one of the first to brand themselves as a 'draft pundit'
For real though I respect the guys hustle
That's about the only thing he's gotten right in the last 40+ years! (Yes, this is an exaggeration, but not much of one.)
Minor detail: Eli had no problems playing for Accorsi's team - the Giants - he didn't want to play for the Chargers.
This dude trying to shit on another man for getting stuff wrong, yet does same thing in his video
@@codybaker076 if you watch the video he gives Kiper some credit too.
Same thought
@@codybaker076 Big time, I'm no fan of Kiper but jeez.
I'm glad you pointed this out because he made a few mistakes in this video
He forgot to mention that Mel called the 2012 draft by Seattle was horrible, an F he said. Now it's known as one of the best drafts of all time.
Two years after that draft, the Seahawks won the Super Bowl. To quote Nicolas Cage in The Rock, "How do you like how that shit works?"
Good draft indeed. One of the best of all time? nah
To be fair Bruce Irvin in the first round was a reach. If he was basing it off of that then fair. Just having Bobby Wagner and Russell Wilson as the next two picks more than makes up for it
They knew they had a once inna decade type team. And they had the most dominant defense in the NFL history. They had room to pick up whoever they wanted to fill in those small gaps of talent. People can hate but still as being a giants fan, that seahawks team was wild
@@tylernugent3617 if Russell Wilson pulled off the back to back SBs, i think he would be knocking on the door of the Hall. Then that draft would have pulled off Irvin Wagner and Russ. Look through best drafts ever by every team and I’ll take the Seahawks 2012. Again, one yard away from grabbing 2 HoF’s on both sides of the ball, with a 1st round fringe immediate starting LB to boot.
Watching this waiting for mels horrible picks and then having to double check if I clicked the right video because it started feeling like an autobiography of Mel kiper 😂😂
For real I was like “who tf wants to know this much info about Mel Kiper.”
Would be a biography
I think a lot of these "busts" are guys who were put in bad situations. David Carr comes to mind. He was forced to start right away and had no help. At that point he becomes Footsteps Falco from the Replacements. He definitely missed on some like JaMarcus, but every one has misses. I enjoyed his banter with McShay.
Facts. The coaches and ownership put guys in bad situations and they blame the draft pick. Its like corporate America.
I’ve been calling this guy a hack for 20 years and you’ve gone and compiled the proof. Thank you, Sir.
Ever since the Colts drama back in the early 90s he has been a running joke.
@@why-even-try-brotendo: He needs to rent advertising on that forehead.
Pretty much anyone on that chair is gonna be a hack. Nobody can tell you when young players are gonna be great nfl players. We’ve seen the proof year after year. Bill in mew England is supposed to bc a football genius. How many great picks has he made over the last ten years? It’s not an easy thing to do.
@@jebadiahfyefye8994 Difference is Mel goes out of his way to double and triple down his picks. Anyone who goes above and beyond to consistently make terrible draft decisions should be singled out from the other people that make mistakes.
He is a hack. Typical ESPN non-talent
Fun Fact: the Colts moved to Indianapolis to get away from Mel🤣
Fun Fact. Kiper is still on ESPN and the GM who said "Who the he'll is Mel Kiper?" ...where is he now?
@@SuperOmnicronsj44 Bill Tobin, he was the man responsible for the drafting of Harrison and Faulk in Indy and currently overseeing the Bengals rebuild starting with Joe Burrows. And unlike Kipper, he actually played at professional level as a running back in the 1960s.
Can we please stop celebrating Mel's mediocrity?
@@DanTheMailman330 If only enough people gotten the sense but it seems they bought into the hype from what they learned from 1994. I wonder how many of them are even aware that Tobin drafted Faulk that same draft class.
Clicked faster than EDP ran to his cupcake
1 minute after I seen this
@@Kickoffprodz777 well i think its pretty well known that edp has only one speed
and that is super speed
not very fast
think I saw this before...
Jeff George had the mobility of reinforced concrete.
I watched the entire thing waiting on Mahomes. And never heard it.
Gotta love clock bait
There's a reason Frank Caliendo doesn't do Kiper.
I disliked the video for this reason
They showed Mahomes for a half a second when he said making 6 digit number
Thank you for saying this. Man this pisses me off.
We'll never know what David Carr might have been. He was given an abysmal offensive line, and never had a chance.
Giants got him a ring for his troubles. It all balanced out.
Yep, Texans destroyed him.
David Carr was horrible.
@@jjones2509 You don't think getting sacked 70+ times a year for 3 years contributed to that?
@@MrCveedub When you can't read a defense and get rid of the ball you are going to get sacked. Not knowing when to step up into the pocket or take it outside the box is a problem. Carr did not have good football awareness.
The players grade is more important than picking the exact spot someone goes at. It only takes 1 Raiders left field pick to change the way the rest of the 1st round goes.
Exactly. The whole "getting 20 picks wrong in a row" doesn't mean shit. "Fucking up" is saying someone will be trash and they become a star, or vise versa. And even then, even the best GMs and talent evaluators let star players fall to the 4th and 5th rounds (meaning literally EVERY team "missed" on that player). It's basically an educated guess. All you can do is educate yourself by studying the player on and off the field, and then you hope they develop into what their potential is.
This dude is a PERFECT example of the fact that being loud, and having an opinion, doesn't mean you're right. You can somehow build a career for yourself on tv by being loud, and having an opinion, but history will eventually prove whether you are just throwing darts at a board like everyone else, or whether you actually know what you are talking about. This video shows that I could do as good a job as this dude does at analyzing college players.
If his job was easy, no team would’ve ever picked a bust. You couldn’t do shit
@@ryanedinger7894exactly bro. I would’ve like at least one mentioned about how hard it is to get drafting correct
@@christianbraun8290well you scout for years . How much time and reports do you need ? Most of the time it’s mental health for players or not a good fit with the management
Are you talking about Kiper or the youtuber? "This dude" is perfectly ambiguous so I love this statement.
WAIT! WHAT!? I DISAGREE WITH DAT BIG TIME. IF THERE IS A BUST HERE, IT'S NOT YOURS MADAM, IT YOU AND YOUR TH-cam SPORTS. I'M! MEL! KIPER! YOU'RE THE BUST!
So basically Mel is just as efficient as NFL front offices, the draft is a crap shoot. The Cowboys drafted taco Charlton over TJ Watt. I rest my case
Exactly
Well said. I would also add if one is going to rate the draft experts.such as what Mikerophone attempts to do in this video one does not need to use useless metrics such as whether Mel's picks hit exactly in the order of the draft (that type of metric would be categorically nonsensical). A better metric might be whether Mel was in the ballpark of getting the draft order right. For example, if Mel called a player to be picked #10 overall, was Mel at least within +-5 of the player's actual drafting order. Besides this metric (which I just made up), perhaps there are a ton of other more sensible metrics.
And the bears drafted Mitch Trubisky over Patrick Mahomes in the same damn draft. I mean I could go on all day. Now you can rest your case
Just go look at the defensive ends/linebackers drafted before Watt. But here you are. Hater
@@broganchapman3731 how am I a hater, I was defending Mel Kiper by pointing out that the draft is a crap shoot. Teams make mistakes on players they like too. But enjoy your day buddy.
He was right about Aaron Hernandez..He said that was a Killer Pick
Ohh boy, you had to go there lol. Did you used to write for Leno?
@@thinkaboutit6029 idk who Leno is..
@@rmp661CA Jay Leno, the previous host of the tonight show
@@thinkaboutit6029 ooo 🤣 i wish
Funny sh!t...but I shouldn't be laughing at that.😔
Wait. If Favre was drafted further down than McGuire, but Kiper had them ranked evenly... then he was more accurate than NFL GMs. How is that him getting it wrong?
Because McGuire was no where near the level of player Favre was. GMs got it wrong too obviously.
GMs get more shit wrong than kiper. But kiper is the one that's hated on
Even a blind squirrel finds an acorn at times
He was supposed to predict that Brett would be a Hall of Famer. 😂
@@lasenyo7705 I think that’s a key thing to remember. NFL GM’s that do this for a living constantly make mistakes. Look at how many first round QB’s drafted in the last 10 years are still on their original teams, or even in the league. Kiper does no worse than them really.
To be fair, almost every analyst was very high on JaMarcus Russell. If you look back on draft previews, mostly everyone was saying the Raiders should draft him. But it was based on his potential rather than skill. If Russell has better Work Ethic, he might have succeeded but he didn't.
Not analysts. Their entertainers remember that
If Russell was taken by a more stable franchise, he might have turned his ability into talent. The Raiders would have probably ruined Peyton Manning and Aaron Rodgers.
Honestly Kiper is a genius. He invented mock drafts and has made tons of money out of it, as well as making it a thing for almost every so called analyst. I feel like it doesn’t even matter whether he’s right or wrong. Most of the analysts get the picks wrong.
He didn’t invent them but he was an early adopter no doubt
No doubt. All the "experts" are wrong more times than not. And surprisingly alot of fans are usually right. The fans that dont just mindlessly regurgitate what the "experts" say anyways
I can remember listening to Joel Buchsbaum on the radio in the 80's talking about the NFL, which he focused a lot on upcoming draft prospects. He always had a lot of information on prospects, even marginal ones, and also had strong opinions on their abilities. I bet Mel Kiper was aware of him and may have copied a lot of techniques that Buchsbaum used to gather information about NFL prospects, and also may have copied Buchsbaum's gimmick in how he expressed himself in an outspoken manner. However, good for Kiper that he made a lot of money at it and a name for himself, while Buchsbaum died a forgotten man.
If analyzing a player's pro potential was easy there would never be busts. It's hard, Kiper may be wrong more than average, I really don't know but it's a hard profession.
@@GigaChadDuPlessisgod u have vrgin energy
Mel was the original TH-camr, just giving his opinion and made it on TV through sheer force of will and personality.
I never listened to this guy about NOTHING when he comes on tv during draft night I turn the tv down 👎
and hair.
That is a nice analogy. He was ahead of his time and the technology.
In almost 40 years I expect there to be plenty of mistakes. Big props to Kiper for working so hard to get what he has. GMs got these picks wrong too.
Haha cringe
True. A lot of people passed on Tom Brady.
Which is exactly why "draft experts" like Mel Kiper shouldn't exist at all. He doesn't have a clue what he's talking about and neither does anyone else. They watch a few plays of a guy on game tape and proclaim themselves as experts. I should have taken up this fraud of a career when I had the chance. Mel Kiper doesn't know anything more than the average NFL fan looking at draft picks.
@@logicaldude3611 expert doesn’t necessarily mean perfect. Just means he’s the top official in his field. Plus we all like to hear talking heads. If we didn’t, these networks would not exist.
@@logicaldude3611 That's a shit take.
Da'Quan Bowers, my absolute favorite moment from draft history. We sat and ripped Mel apart for years because of his behavior related to him in 2011. He went on and on about how he can't believe he's not drafted, raving about how he's the best available player in the draft. The dude is coaching now and only played for four years in the NFL after that draft and Mel was so far off the mark it was a running joke for us every year.
I remember Mel saying that Bowers, NOT Cam Newton was gonna go first overall. And that Newton could even fall to the second round. It’s like what the hell are you smoking and how much for it?
Who’s ready for night 2?
th-cam.com/video/b9hWxmw5Ado/w-d-xo.html
Let’s go
Can't wait
@@Liam-vb1lf same wonder where Kyle trask will go but mad about trey lance before Justin fields
Kellen Mond is the next Russel Wilson. Mark my words!!!
Your 2 minute intro is why YT algorithm is hating.. lol
He has an amazing talent for remembering names.
and staying employed.
@@briant4266 I guess he is a good talker
Truthfully, mock drafts and predicting how good a player will be at the next level are totally different. I think the insiders are good with which teams like which players but you gotta determine separately if those players are going to be any good. I usually focus on measurables and character, specifically trying to determine a guy’s work ethic/motor(preparation goes into this) combined with talent/athleticism.
Eli Manning never refused to play for Ernie Accorsi, he was the GM for the NY Giants when Eli was drafted by the San Diego Chargers, which is the team he refused to play for. It's ironic that Mike is doing a video about Mel Kiper's mistakes and he makes a huge one like that.
Anyone eles notice he uses #15 in him thumb mail but didn’t mention him one time. GO chiefs clout chasersssssss
This video is rife with false narratives.
Should be noted that Ryan Leaf has done a great job of turning his life around.
Fr he’s a great dude
He turned his leaf around
That might be true (not to mention really awesome), but it’s not nearly as sensational as the unfortunate events that went down while he was in the throes of addiction, so of course it’ll be reported w/ about 10% of the fervor as all his missteps were. Sad 😞
@@justinmix143 facts media only posts about his fall from grace and not his inspirational comeback
@@incognit0mode that's why it should be noted
This man basically created the industry of independent draft evaluation
Before Kiper teams basically threw darts at a board or drew names out of a hat when they drafted. (Except for the Cowboys, they used a computer.) By today's standards Kiper might even deserve a spot in the Hall Of Fame for literally changing the way teams draft forever.
You spelt "incompetent" wrong. The guy is a moron & gets all his information from reading magazines.
David Carr was the most hit quarterback multiple years. He was incredibly talented. I was a Texans fans, I was incredibly disappointed in how the oline and defense failed Carr and Foster year over year.
Did Carr even get to play with Andre Johnson? He had so little to work with...
That franchise should give Carr $100m for ruining his career and health. That was despicable.
Foster?
Yeah I think carr was actually pretty decent
agreed
To quote colts gm, "who the hell is Mel kieper any way"
That was funny 🤣
To quote Bill Tobin, “I bet Trev Alberts will be good!”
Mikerophone: Lets Fight the Evil NFL.
Also Mikerophone: Makes money of NFL videos.
He has a point though, it's utter BS for the NFL to go after him when there are hundreds of NFL videos on YT they're perfectly fine with letting stay up.
@@DolFan316 ya ik but i found that funny how he is saying he is saying it
I’m glad someone took the time out to address this. Mel Kiper has been trash at this draft thing lol.
I think it’s a stretch to call him trash, he certainly over hypes certain prospects and buys into narratives, which makes him more of an entertainer. But he’s also the reason the draft is relevant and popular so we owe him some respect.
Plus if you did this for as long as he did you would have some busts too
@@samuelgingras6291 did you watch the video? At 2:11 he mentions how just recently he had 20 consecutive incorrect picks. I understand that teams are different from league to league but this guy has the probability of a coin flip to be right about a player or even be correct about a team’s draft choice. He’s awful plain and simple.
@@wyattspaulding7723 SOME BUSTS. This guy has championed some of the biggest busts in league history including Jamarcus Russel.
@@2Littoral I did watch the video, but more importantly have you ever watched any drafts? Crazy stuff happens before the draft and during the draft that can shift an entire set of rankings. Laremy Tunsil and the weed controversy, Aaron Rodgers falling from a projected top 5 to bottom first rounder, Owusu-Koromoah this year, Fields...it’s an inexact science and again read my f ing comment, I clearly say that he’s an entertainer more than an analyst.
Ole Jeff George.... I went to elementary school in Indianapolis and Jeff's Mother was our Secretary at the Pleasant Run Elementary. After he was drafted to the Colts I remember Jeff coming to the school and popping into our class room to say hey.. Kinda a cool moment for a kid as a Colts fan.
Can't blame Kiper for Detroit, Cleveland and Seattle's poor picks at QB throughout their histories. I blame their scouts and GMs.
He changed the way people view the NFL draft. The huge spectacle that it is today is largely due to Mel Kiper.
Still sucks at his job lol
@@canesrule96 Except he doesn't
@@canesrule96 You obviously don’t understand his job. He’s an analyst that gives his opinion on players. No different than any other analyst on ESPN. Just because he’s wrong doesn’t mean he sucks. Every NFL coach, scout, and GM is wrong about players all the damn time
@@daltoncrane3998 Kiper also pick a lot of right ones too, that the uploader isn't mentioning
Agree! He’s right about 5% of the time!
In Kiper's defense on JaMarcus Russel, he wasn't wrong about the skills. Russel had the skills to be one of the all time greats. It was his character and psychology that led him into becoming the biggest bust in NFL history. People forget how much praise this guy had coming out of college. Most "experts" thought he's be a generational talent. What they didn't count on was him becoming lazy and his mental health declining, due to several personal tragedies.
That's debatable. There are a lot of skills that go into being a pro level starting QB that has a good career. It isn't just arm strength. I don't believe JaMarcus' skillset translated to the NFL as well as many people thought it would. I don't think he was accurate enough to be a high level NFL qb. And mentally and work ethic wise he definitely wasn't there.
Thank you. Russell threw a ball into a trash can fifty yards away on one knee. Was Kiper meant to predict he would get addicted to lean?
@@jesseaustin4089Jamarcus made plenty of pro throws within pro concepts at LSU and had good college stats. He got fat, addicted to lean, and stop caring once he got paid
He had the skills for a college qb playing against high school kids.
People also don't realize how BUTT JUICE that team around him was
I give the guy all the credit in the world!! He took his blank slate, an turned himself into an industry. He never even had to be successful.
The ultimate weatherman of sports analysis, his persona created a charicature of himself that he has been able to sell to the public for over 4 decades! The ultimate little engine that not only COULD, but actually DID. Good for You, Mel 🤙🏻
I mean isn't that kind of the nature of sports culture in general? The draft just tends to be exceptionally unpredictable and he carved his own niche there.
Also, JaMarcus Russell could've definitely been amazing in the NFL. He had a literal cannon for an arm. His problem wasn't lack of talent it was lack of discipline and drive. Once he got drafted he was lost. Its like that was his only goal and once achieved he lost his desire.
He didn't have a literal cannon for an arm. He wasn't a cyborg or from the future.
But he would not have been good anywhere else. He was lazy and didn't put in the work at all. Did you ever hear of when he lied about studying plays from a blank DVD?
@@michaelkeller5927 yea, I believe that would fall under lack of discipline and drive. Also, he had a cannon. That was one of his biggest positives. Look up any scouting report on him.
Thats kind of what happens when you give teenagers who come from rags $50M. Can't believe they use to pay draft picks that much.
@@michaelkeller5927 he literally threw like 60+ yards on his knees. I don’t like him, but to say he wasn’t physically gifted is just wrong.
Word did you hear about how the raiders thought he wasn’t watching film so they gave him a dvd to watch and he came back and said yeah I watched it and yeah coach I learned all the plays. There was no dvd the coaches gave him a empty box. That’s how much discipline Russell had.
I don't think the thumbnail was fair cause he thought Mahomes was going to be really good.
He didn't think Mahomes going to be good
@@terminator23destroyer15 What are you talking about? He said he has the "highest ceiling" in his class. Had him going 12 overall. Most of his Mahomes stuff was glowing. Only bad things were he thought he turn the ball over, and his numbers in college might have been a bit high bc of the TT spread offense.
@@mikemiken1963 no he didn't say all of that shit but say that he was too small and probably be a 2 string player
@@terminator23destroyer15 www.news-herald.com/sports/espn-analyst-mel-kiper-says-patrick-mahomes-has-highest-ceiling/article_601bbddb-dba0-53da-aca6-7338517320e3.html
Sure, this article that pre supposed that draft is just made up.
@@terminator23destroyer15 Somebody woud def say take a 2nd string qb 13th overall...
Myself, and a small circle of friends were INTENSELY into the game of football (college and pro) from the time we were about 12 years old. This was about 1981.
We watched every game possible in college (not many on TV in the early '80's) and every pro game possible. We would constantly quiz each other on stats, positions, and whether or not that position would translate into an NFL career.
Fast forward to the early 90's when we were around 22 years old, and we knew every stat on every player both college and pro. We all kept thick notebooks with us. Wasted youth? Maybe, LOL
My point is this: We would do our own "draft analysis" every year and then look back on who hit, and who did not.
Guess what?? We did just as well as Kiper on hits/misses in the first two rounds. (Both of us around the 44% mark).
But...... we hit on around the 49% mark on rounds 3 through 6 where Mel dropped into the mid 30% range.
SO...... for a bunch of kids drinking beer and smoking pot, we did better than Mel. Yet he gets paid handsomely. Kudos to Mel for getting paid, but just sayin'.......... LOL
If you’re pretending that the NFL Draft comes down to a binary hit-or-miss - like the guy making this video is - then you don’t get it.
And I can guarantee you that you’re giving yourself the benefit of what counts as a hit or miss, too.
Get your own show homie
10:48 KIPER: Jamarcus Russell is the next John Elway...🤣
In all fairness to Mel, JaMarcus Russell quit as soon as he got his first paycheck, and it’s usually pretty hard to predict that. I say “usually” because all of LaVar Arrington’s teammates KNEW once he got signed to his record contract football wouldn’t matter nearly as much to him.
Edit: I meant Albert Haynesworth. My bad, Mr Arrington.
Don’t forget about Albert Haynesworth!! 🙄
@@moffjerjerrod1579 oh... whoops... that’s who I meant... why do I get Arrington mixed up with him?
@@dudedurham no idea bud. Butt Arrington was pretty good but kind of fizzled out. But at least he did not literally lay on the ground on MNF during a play. Or refuse to take the fitness tests. Wow Arrington was a lazy player. Then again, he’s got a ton of money. I wish l could get paid that much for not working 😒
Jeff George had an absolute cannon of an arm. His problem was not lack talent but lack of leadership skills.
Facts
so true
George had a nice run with the Vikings when Moss and Carter were there.
@@votto67 dude had a cannon. Gunslinger
Being able to throw far doesn't mean you're a talented QB.
You can't blame mel for picks like Russell he wasted his own career.
A draft analyst has to be able to determine if a player will do the work to keep improving.
He seems decent enough at grading physical tools. But when it comes to intangibles... forget about it. Even glaring character flaws.
@Jason Knotts 😂if u cant comprehend a sentence cause of a missing comma, that says alot about ur intelligence or lack there-of😩
Absolutely stupid
Tell that to the gms that drafted the players dumb sh^t pathetic
Props to Kiper for starting his own business and becoming so successful with no relevant experience. And for his dedication to the helmut hair.
To be fair, David Carr would of been great on literally any other team. The Texans basically “Andrew luck’d” him. Didn’t invest in an OL and he was beat to hell.
It still drives me insane that Indy got a great O line better defense and a good running game after Luck retired. If they could've done any of that for Luck who knows how far he could've gone
@@comp34 I be farting on da pee
Good point. Archie Manning was a great college QB who went to a bad team. Troy Aikman. Etc etc
Yes and that was back when you could actually hit the qb
Jeff George could throw the most beautiful deep ball I've ever seen. The guy had a howitzer for an arm. Too bad he was a tad selfish and lacked the work ethic required to cash in on his talent. Just look up his 1999 playoff game vs Dallas... Those deep bombs to Randy Moss were a thing of beauty.
Yeah but moss could make any deep ball look amazing by the way he caught them
The picture of Carr getting sacked is a perfect reason why he didn't last. Look at his lineman, he is sitting on the ground. While the Defensive player looks like a stud. You could say he could have dodged the players' attempt to tackle him, but it's happening 1 out of 3 plays. They also let up the most sacks or was 2nd for most sacks when Carr was the quarterback.
I remember when Beano Cook predicted that Mirer would win TWO Heismans. lol
His career is rating players and providing his take on which players should be taken. The problem with this come draft day is you have 32 GMs that if one picks wildly, then the entire draft day can go offline than what was expected. I really think that Mcshay has been better in his career in rating players, but I think the two do a pretty good job considering. You can't predict that Jamarcus will eat himself out of the league in 2 years, or that Ryan Leaf is mentally unstable.
As you say, there is always a bad GM or 2 that blows up all of the mock drafts by "the experts". Plus, there are the trades that no one was expecting that also completely change the mock drafts. Watching the draft is great. I love watching the players and their family's dreams come true in real time. But, don't pay much attention to mock drafts which are mostly just gossip.
As many mistakes he's had, you have to respect that grind he had to get where he is. Which is a good message for people. Keep grinding.
Exactly. You don't need talent, intelligence or frankly, even hard work to make it in life. You need persistence. And by that, I mean annoy the hell out of people until they give in and finally accept you.
I'm not a big draft day fan, but must admit, Mel Kiper really made it a big event, the sports channels will always give him the shine, he gave them a lot to talk about
@warren3427 Yeah, the guy is a buffoon who consistently gets everything wrong, but he's a rich, successful buffoon.
@@getreal2592 These days you don't even need to do THAT for very long, just throw one hissyfit and everybody's bowing and kowtowing to you, especially if you're under 30.
@@DolFan316 🙄
Kiper helped a few teams get the next years number one pick. Success.
Suffering from success
Shoutout to the editor here. Good stuff!
You can't troll Mel Kiper, because he's never been right. Dude would be a bad weather man. "No rain today." Look outside dude. It's raining.
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😆 🤣 😂
Sounds like a standard weatherman to me.
Never been right? Tell that to Tom Brady. Back in the day, Mel Kiper thought TB12 was one of the top 10 quarterbacks in that 2000 draft. He saw talent and potential while virtually all the NFL front offices saw only question marks. Brady is now widely seen as the greatest draft steal in the history of the NFL and the Greatest Of All Time.
Mel kiper is one “analyst” I used that word loosely I never take the time out of day to look at his mocks
Hes terrible. Always wrong
I love when Frank Caliendo impersonates Mel😂
One of the guys on the Pat McAfee show does an incredible Kiper impression too. Watch Pat McAfee reacts to the chicago bears trade up for Justin Fields
Ty Schmidt, yea his Mel is pretty good.. last year 😅
Todd!
He's also more accurate than him too
His best impersonation by far....lmao!!!
What happened to David Carr wasn't really David Carr's fault that O-line had holes bigger than Mel Kipers mouth. By the time the O-line was solid Carr's body was so injury ridden that he was done.
David Carr was the first overall pick in the 2002 NFL draft by the Houston Texans. It wasn’t just Mel Kiper but also the NFL scouts who thought he was a potentially great NFL quarterback. Most of the time Kiper’s picks are almost aligned with the rest of the NFL scouts.
That's true. David Carr is an example of a great player not being able to overcome a terrible organization.
I've always hated that Carr was labeled a bust. A true bust is a guy who never puts in the work to make the transition to the pro game not one on a poorly managed team.
I take Kiper with a grain of salt although I have enjoyed his insights for more than 25 years now. After seeing this and learning that he started the whole game, he gets my respect.
His Josh Allen prediction was spot on though.
To Mel's defense,this is a 100% guessing game.
It is. And if that's the case...we should all be getting paid millions of dollars a year by ESPN, just to guess.
@@Ispeakthetruthify He has more of an educated guess than us,but still a guest 😄😆
@@TravelAdventureswithEricB Now don't get me wrong....the guy does his research. But in the end, none of us know where these guys are going to be drafted(except the few obvious exceptions), or what they're going to do once they get to the NFL.
He’s gets paid because he’s an entertainer who gives his educated opinion. He gets paid based on the revenue he brings to espn, not on how many hit or misses he has
Mel is the 🐐🐐🐐.
Having said that cool video. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.
Oh man this was a nice video to come across, didnt have to skip 1-2min of betting advertisements. This was excellent!
Can’t wait to see your mock draft next year and how it compares to Kiper’s post draft.
Ok... Most people think every 1st round draft pick will be great, hince why they're picked 1st!
Yet half of them are busts brother.
Can't be right when you evaluate 300 players a year transitioning from college to the pros. (Also David Carr was a great QB but went to die in Houston)
That's a problem of the organization, not the talent. A poor organization can and does squander talent just as easily as a shit for brains prospect. Carson Palmer was drafted first. Ben Rothlisberger was drafted later by the Steelers and he is going to the Hall of Fame. Now if the Draft Gurus factored in the track record of the franchises that draft the players, that would be worth watching. A plus prospect with a D minus franchise rating for an overall C combined rating.
That’s why most 2nd through 10 picks are the best players 1st overall picks have to much pressure to succeed often ending up with the worst team around them
Leaf "was" known as the biggest bust, then JaMarcus Russell happened
The Mitch Trubisky happened 😆
Leaf will always be number one on the busts. The reason why? He never played good. JaMarcus simply ate his way out of the league.
@@Topothetop He lost the motivation to play. He got paid and thought he didn't have to improve his craft. ( Jamarcus Russel )
Bo Jackson was both a big draft bust and big draft steal. A bust for Tampa who poisoned their relationship with him to where he refused to sign him. A steal for the Raiders who picked him in the 7th round the next year.
@Ace Davis he was definitely a bust but wasn't the first overall pick either
Actually the biggest bust in NFL draft history is Mike Ditka trading all 6 of his draft picks in 1999 for Ricky Williams. You're supposed to use all your picks to build up your team. Not! to draft one player and hope/pray for the best. Mike Ditka is overrated as a head coach. Mike has been riding high off of the 1985 season Superbowl win. As bears HC mike's win% is 58.49%. Normally that would be good. But not when you have only one SB ring to show for all your work in 11 seasons. Then he tarnished his legacy with the most boneheaded decisions. I don't care how high on a player you're. No! player is worth your entire draft. I'm this ticked about it. I can only imagine how N.O Saints fans feel.
You have to guess the order, which is one thing, and talent, which is another. QB isn't the only position in the NFL, so it'd be nice to see how he evaluated other positions. Also, when it does come to QBs, talents can go to die for a shitty franchise, so that isn't Mel's fault either. I did enjoy the video, so thank you.
I like ole kiper, sounds like a success story to me. It would be next to impossible to predict who all these teams are going to take with their picks. I typically don't argue too much with his big board based off of talent
That's one gnarly ass teardrop you photoshopped onto Mahomes' cheek!
I thought it was a sperm cell
@@joeerose_ came to comment section looking specifically for this comment
@@joeerose_ Obviously Joey V. is a Faders Fan.
People need to understand that when he’s wrong on guys that went in the top 5, top 10, or even first round, an entire team of the best scouts in the industry, front office analysts, and coaching staff interviews all led to that pick. Mel is not the only one wrong on guys, and there isn’t a team out there that gets every pick correct. I don’t love Mel, but a bunch of people on couches who don’t seem to understand that no one is always right with this stuff. You’re going to be wrong.
Yes Mel makes it much easier to look like an ass because he’s so adamant on draft day who will be good or bad, but that’s TV. No one will watch a guy whose analysis is “well he could be good, could be bad, he’s a decent play but you never know” for every single pick of the draft..
the guy is a genius. Sure he's not always right but what analyst is ? This guy created scouting for fans. We should all be thanking him. He literally brought scouting to our living room.
Every GM had a lot of mistakes especially with QBs :) I saw a video and someone said that 42 percent of QBs from round 1 will fail statistically.The problem with mock drafts is that there is a single trade or unexpected decision and then the domino falls.
Only 42%? Seems like more than that end up as a bust, especially in recent years. Shit just look at how many QB's the Browns picked in first rounds in the past couple decades before they picked Mayfield.
@@unkledoda420
Even Mayfield was a bust candidate last year. Imagine what could have happen without Kubiak.
Mannn...to be fair everyone thought Jemarcus Russell was gonna be the man
I've been a Draftnik for 30+ years and I enjoy Mel's entertaining analysis every year. I'd never heard of you til you made a video about him.
I never heard of you until you posted this stupid comment, wish I could go back 1 minute in time
Oh, hi Mel. 😅
You're on the Mel Kiper payroll, I see. NO ONE enjoys his garbage that has no thought put into it. Along with a lot of the gargabe that ESPN produces.
I was in college during the early-mid eighties and I would have loved to have an NFL draft show on ESPN because back then you had to just wait for the radio to announce draft picks for the home team. Sometimes the radio would cover the draft to reveal the first round pick, but you'd need to check the paper the next day to see how the draft when during all the rounds. I remember some years back I had a customer service job, which was not getting a lot of calls, so that year I became an ameture draftnick and really had the time to dig into all of the various teams needs. I remember that year the Broncos drafted a pick that I was really underwhelmed by who was Willie Middlebrooks. Middlebrooks appeal was he was an unusually tall cornerback and he was expected to excel at bumping receivers at the line and then being able to intercept passes. Middlebrooks was often injured and only started one out of the five year span he played in. A five year career is not exactly a disappointing career for some, since many players often only play one or two years, but given his draft position, more was expected of him.
Actually you were wrong on accorsi having two QBs that didn’t want to play for him. Elway didn’t want to play for him. Eli however didn’t want to play for San Diego but wanted to play for accorsis Giants
Elway didn’t want to play for Frank Kush, the Colts head coach. Elway stated in ESPN’s 30 for 30 ‘Elway to Marino’ that the first person he called for advice when he became Denver’s GM was Ernie Accorsi. I don’t think Elway had an issue with Accorsi at all. It was the Colts organization. Irsay was drunk on live tv ranting he wasn’t moving the team, fired the GM on the spur of the moment and just promoted Accorsi into the position with no warning for Accorsi. The team was a train wreck because of ownership and Kush was not a QB friendly coach. Elway’s dad had advised him to not play for Kush. Plus he had baseball, but I doubt that was more than leverage but Steinbrenner was convinced he was going to have Elway in MLB.
The best thing about Mel Kiper is Frank Caliendo's impersonation of him. "Tawd, Tawd, Tawd!"
ESPN has never cared about it’s analysts being right. Kiper’s picks are always controversial. Controversy drives engagement. That’s what they want and that’s why Kiper has a job.
I know he’s wrong all the time but I respect his drive to get to where he is. Impressive how far he got on his passion alone. It doesn’t really bug me that he doesn’t have any experience because of how passionate it seems like he was about football
He's right more then he is wrong. He does his homework that's forsure mad respect to him
@@PIP-zf9yb definitely not true but yeah respect to him.
@@samuelgould4274 it absolutely is true. Not hard when everything he does is on tape. He's right far more then he is wrong on the top guys. People just show his bad opinions. This isn't a debate. I don't even like him but he has been right more then wrong
I would say Tony “roid warrior” Mandarich and JaMarcus “cheeseburger” Russell were bigger busts than Ryan “I will smack up a reporter” Leaf
Tony mandarin (idk how to spell his last name) did return to to the nfl and did have couple really good seasons until he got injured again and he didn’t want to take painkiller again
JaMarcus Russell wasn't as bad as people choose to remember.
I loved the idea of him as the Raiders starting quarterback. Het fit the Raiders perfectly.
@@dialecticalmonist3405 I don’t think it was ever the reason for lack of talent I think it’s lack of motivation and wanting to study the playbook and other teams
Mel has had some good calls too. Hes basically like every single NFL scout ever, but he figured out how to talk his way to the top.
Some of his calls were only for attention. He talks about his Ls as quick as he talks about his good calls. That's someone who is cognizant of what they are doing.
Kiper invented modern draft analysis. You don’t have to have played a sport at D1 or professional level to comment on it. I seriously doubt Mikerophone played D1 or pro, but he’s still good at what he does. Draft analysis is pure speculation even an expert is going to be wrong far more than they’re right. If you want to hate on someone for sucking at their job so much you can’t believe they’re still employed, hit up Skip Bayless.
He was the gold standard when I was like 18 (so like the early early 2000's). But thats because there weren't a lot of other options. And he did give the regular person a full condensed list of players you could skim through and then make decisions on your own. So for that I listened to him a lot.
Now? People on ESPN don't even take him seriously. He rarely talks, and when he does it's often talked over or interrupted. He's not the voice he once was because the business is so much bigger and every one wants their voice to be heard and be considered right.
I don't care who you are, you're not getting every pick right, or every evaluation right. It's just not happening unless you're from the future. There are too many variables. I still think David Carr would have been a great quarterback if on literally any other team. He got the shit beat out of him that first year unlike any other rookie quarterback before or since. Eventually it takes its toll.
Same thing with RGIII. Great quarterback, but how did we all know the guy was made of glass. And literally half of his special talent and skill was the ability to run. Not a good skill set when you literally break every time you get hit.
To me Kiper is the reason the draft is so big the way it is. I think eventually it would have turned into big business (NFL rookies have a way of making immediate impacts unlike in baseball or hockey). But Kiper got it there faster, and he should be given credit for that. He saw something that I and a lot of you love (Kiper especially). And he turned it into a business model and gave us what we wanted.
I mean he sucks now, and his input basically means nothing, but so does pretty much everybody else's. So, at the end of the day Kiper came first, and we should all respect that, even if there's nothing about him that's respectable.
On a side note, his epic debates with McShay who you can tell he hates with a vengeance (and vice versa) is news worthy in itself. And should be put out there every year for all to see.
This reply sums up his case exceeding well. In his 2nd or 3rd year of publication I came across his Draft Report in it's trademark blue and read it. There was nothing like it anywhere and the best that was available before were magazines that issued monthly like SI and some local papers. These were amateur pieces that the best you could get from them is a list of players that were eligible for the draft. I found the address on the back of the report and started buying the each year. His phone number was even listed in the cover and I spoke with him a few times. I found him knowledgeable and professional.
There are people with better contacts inside different teams than him and that is often the deciding factor in the quality of info regarding teams intentions in the draft. There is also considerable jealousy in this market and he has made a good living in it for more than 30 years. He has become nearly famous and has appeared on draft TV broadcasts night and day for many years. He is doing something right. I take him for what he is and have enjoyed his product along the way.
Trubisky was 29-21 as starter with a coach who didn’t want to use him the right way. He was also 3rd in Total QBR in 2018.
I love Trubisky in buffalo currently, I have no doubt he’ll be a starter next year and will do great if he has a coach that is actually competent.
It’s crazy that Trubisky brought nagy’s offense to the playoffs TWICE.
I think Trubisky could still be a viable starter for the team with the proper supporting cast around him. I don't see him as being the next starter in Buffalo though. I can see him getting traded or released and starting in Pittsburgh as this is more than likely Big Bens last season. He would make an excellent bridge QB to give a rookie time to learn and develop under a new system
@@samuelneuin1988 yes, I should have specified not a starter in buffalo, more I applaud that he went to Buffalo for the “reset” like Beane said as opposed to taking a starting job elsewhere (where he would have likely not had a good supporting offense Around him)
@@louiemanzella4445 Not only can I see him starting in Pittsburgh, I can also see Denver as a potential suitor for him. He would be a decent mentor for Drew Lock
Calling Trubisky a dud is as bad as some of Kiper's projections
I don’t take anyone’s picks seriously, it’s a guessing game what each team will do, but Kipper made the draft what it is ! He’s earned the respect for his hustle !!
Mel actually is great at his job. He has a terrific memory and does a great job breaking down players quickly. I remember one year when Chris Berman was host an unknown FBS player was drafted on second day and he said at this point we simply turn and ask Mel who is this guy and Kiper had a breakdown of guy. I thought the late Joel Bushsbaum who did Pro Football weekly;s old Draft Preview was a better analyst and had a better preview but he was terrible on TV and no one touched Mel ;s ability on TV. He has always done a great jiob as TV analyst. Of course he gets thiunks wrong because NFL consensus which is what he shares is often wrong.
"ability onTV" maybe he should go to the WWE then instead of being wrong 80% of the time and smearing the names of good athletes on national TV. Wack ass comment from a clueless fanboy.
Bro use some commas
kipers burner^^
To get an idea of how Buchsbaum was regarded, Bill Belichick had tried to get him onto his staff in Cleveland.
In fairness, does anyone really successfully predict what prospects become? Teams Often have poor picks.
If you wanna call yourself a draft expert and talk shit to teams that don't do what you want then you deserve to be scrutinized.
@@ignotouno523 That’s fair, but I’d bet he’s made a lot of spot on analysis, but you only see compilations of his errors. For all its problems, I’m betting ESPN sees his value, or he wouldn’t be employed this long. It’s irrelevant, I’m guessing he makes more than you and I combined...probably by a lot. He doesn’t need defenders, I’m just pointing out that the draft is kind of a crap shoot.
@@ignotouno523 A draft expert doesn’t mean he’s Nostradamus. It means he’s watched tons of film on every prospect. Anyone can bust and anyone can become a superstar. How else do you predict these things?
Exactly, analysts aren’t future tellers. They watch more film than anyone and give their opinions. Anyone can bust or anyone can be a beast, we don’t know. AKA Tom Brady in 6th