RUMI, THE MYSTICAL [MUSLIM] MEME KING - Both Adored and Abhorred
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 20 ส.ค. 2024
- Everyone knows Rumi, the poet who understands our struggles in life, empathizes with our longings, sufferings and even our pains. But not many know the man and his story, his background and the foundations of his universal ideas, emotions and messages. Most if not all of the West separate the man from his faith, Islam while many in the East separate Islam from him as they believe that Rumi turned his back on the religion and its people.
This video dives into how Rumi is perceived by the West and East and in how they both highlight his mysticism and thought to judge him in the way that works best for their narratives and convictions.
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Rumi poetry deeply inspired from Quran. Mesnevi is also called persian Quran because it is deeply inspired from Quranic wisdom. Another persian sufi mystic poet Maulana Abdur Rahman jami also said this.
I think coping with the Mongol invasion was instrumental in his poems
Agreed. It was a shocking reality that had to be confronted and contended with.
Bro thanks a lot, for clearing the confusions i had for a decade. Rumi has been a bait into spirituality but his actual main work was towards the praise of the Lord of all Creation.
Mashallah, your oratory skills are simple and deeply elegant
Thank you Samy. Appreciate greatly your words of encouragement.
I have read Rumi from Coleman Barks, and after going through your video it looks like I will have to Learn Farsi to know him correctly.
Great video! Keep doing what you do. Appreciations from Nepal 🇳🇵
My absolute pleasure @aadityagautam2961.
It is imperative to acknowledge that with translation we lose the purity and total essence of the written word. We still should appreciate translation but caveat them with a filter that those who translate might have alternative thoughts and intentions.
@@thekandarichronicles yes absolutely! Personal biases play a huge role in translations. Also, poems and couplets lose their essence when translated. I think novels and non fiction writings suffer less from translations.
I have one point of contention. Mevlana was in fact widely accepted by the majority of orthodox Sunni Muslim's for centuries since his passing. Major scholars have commented on his writings including Shaykh Ashraf Ali Tanvi (the founding father of Dar ul Uloom Deoband)
Similar, other Sufi's like Mulla Jami and Shaykh Saadi Shirazi were household names among the scholarly elite for many centuries.
That's correct. In early Islam up to the Middle Ages, Rumi was appreciated as a high scholar. The more modern thought conservative schools are the ones who have outlawed Rumi.
You must know that Orthodox means adherence to religion traditionally, as the early Muslims did, and Sufism has many innovations, so they are not Orthodox in this sense.
The editing is fantastic. I like how it's clean and not over the top to the point of being distracting.
@@Alex-tx2emI’m really glad you enjoyed it and thank you for your kind words about the editing. Trying my best to make it both engaging and simple.
Your critiques and analysis are not just nuanced they are so refreshingly accurate. Your insights deserve to be discovered. Much appreciation from Pakistan.
Thank you so much. I am humbled by your wonderful words of encouragement.
Fascinating as always. Hopefully there will be an episode on Hallaj one day
Wasn’t planning on a Hallaj video but that’s why I always appreciate the recommendations. Love broadening the horizons. Thank you so much! 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
Excellent critique and analysis 👌👍❤️🙏🌹
Thanks a lot. Really enjoy it when the content resonates. 🙏🏽
@@thekandarichronicles ❤️🙏🌹
This is serendipity. When I first found your channel, I wanted to ask if you can do one on Rumi, but I don’t think I was so impertinent to ask. As always a unique perspective that elevates us all in our appreciation of knowledge. 🙏
Would never be impertinent. Always love hearing ideas for future content. Much previous content has been inspired by viewers who have a great idea and angle. I am extremely happy that you enjoyed this last video. I hope it resonates with many.
@@thekandarichronicles I am sure it will. Here is one idea to throw in the basket. Many of us associate the ME with Islam, but are there records and history of the pre-Islamic thinkers in the region. Maybe it would make for an interesting piece.
Already on the list of future content. But thanks nonetheless for the enforcement of the idea.
I'm pretty sure it was only 2 weeks ago I requested this exact topic to Tareq!! Rumi of course, but also the other significant Muslim mystics I had requested to learn of & more about!! Asking never hurts, and asking Tareq does work!!🤗🌙💕🌹
@@brendasmart553 Hi Brenda. That’s a different video altogether. This one is more focused on Rumi and the dynamics of the East versus West perceptions of him. The other video is still in the kitchen.
Wow, this video really sheds light on how misunderstood Rumi is! In the West, they often quote his mystical poetry but frequently overlook his deep roots in Islam. It's surprising to see how much his quotes get misrepresented, sometimes even altered completely.
It's amazing how his poetry can connect with us on such a deep level, even today.
Another banger by Kandari Chronicles! Thanks, Tariq!
Thank you so much. Really love it when the content triggers new thoughts on preexisting mental relationships one has and shines a new light on the topic.
Great video as always!! Keep it up!
Thank you Christina. Always great seeing you back here in the commentary section.
Thank You
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Yay Tareq!!!🥳 You fulfilled the first of my video request, i look forward to some of the other respected Mystic Muslims lesser known writings than Rumi as well. So happy, gonna start watching this one now, just had to express my gratitude to you first!!!🌹😍🦉✌️💕
My pleasure Brenda.
Masha'Allah Great video well explained been waiting for someone to talk about this
Great video as always 👍😘
Quite Fascinating, everyone reads these quotes attributed to Rumi, while not even knowing whether he said it or not. Sadly that is the reality of us humans, we don't inquire and probe the authenticity of things, which can result in drastic future outcomes. Perception shapes Realities, the wrong perception surely can land someone in a reality they never intend to be in the 1st place. thank you brother, ur work surely touches many facets of our world.
I’ve been watching all your videos of late. Jazakallah Hairan for bringing a much needed nuanced analysis of all the topics you have covered thus far. It will be fantastic to meet you in person one day Insha Allah
Inshallah, would be my privilege Muhammed. I appreciate your endless support.
to me Rumi'a Poetry was Beautiful but is too Hard to Define and Understand it's Meaning in his View of Life. I think we should Not Left it but Learn it and Make our own Version to Truly Understand it's Beauty!
I agree full heartedly that it must be learned and preserved in its purist sense, in a non biased manner.
Off topic but you look AI generated. The lighting doesn’t help. Sorry. Super interesting video. Are there any English translations you would recommend?
I may be wrong but it feels like you confuse the traditional Sunni orthodoxy, which tasawuf is in the core of it, for the wahabi modern movement that is cut off from the chain of the scholars of ahlusunna
Many Sufi rituals, worship and practices are not from the teachings of the Prophet Muhammad, may God bless him and grant him peace, nor his companions, so you can never say that they are traditional Sunnis.
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That's a big claim. You said many, can you name them?
Tareq, please refer me (us) to the most accurate translated source of Rumi writings available? ✍️🥰✌️Also, the other mystic poet you named in this video, i couldn't catch his name, tho i tried, please share his name here so i can look into him as well??🤔🌺
Check out Muhammad Ali Mojaradi's "The Flame of Love". He is a poetry scholar of Persian origins. It would be recommendation to restart your relationship with Rumi with his ability to bring in context and the nuances of the culture/language.
@@thekandarichronicles Ahhhh, I am soooo glad I asked. Much gratitude & love Tareq! Thank YOU!!! 🙏💕
@@thekandarichronicles I found his book but it's on pre-order status, not available until mid Dec. Is that the only one he has written? 🤷♀️🍉
I went ahead and made the pre-order. 🙏🍉
He was a philisopher good at warping Quranic verses,
Thanks so much for this, greag video!
Sadly, I do not read Farsi and cannot appreciate Rumi's works in their true will and intention.
Can anyone point me towards a half decent translation, if any exist? (sadly, i know none will truky capture and much will be lost) Thanks !
للأسف وقعت في شرك الصوفية ، الوهابية مصطلح اطلقتهُ الدولة العثمانية على الحركة السلفية التي قادها الإمام محمد بن سعود لشيطنتهم وكأنهم يتبعون دين ومذهب جديد ، وهو مصطلح اطلقهُ الصوفيين وتبناهُ كل عبدة القبور في العصر الحديث من الصوفية والشيعة وكذلك من يمارسون الفلسفة في صفات الخالق والتي لم تكن من تعاليم النبي محمد صلوات الله عليه ولا صحابتهُ وهم الأشاعرة . وكثير من الأشاعرة هم صوفية لذلك اجتمعت فيهم خصلتان معادية لمنهج السلف الصالح لذلك هم كثيراً مايقولون الوهابية بدلاُ من السلفية بل يحاولون نسب السلفية لهم في محاولة لإقناع اتباعهم بأن عباداتهم وطقوسهم وأعيادهم الجديدة من تعاليم الجيل ألأول من المسلمين وهذا كذب . وانت بهذه التسمية لم تكن محايداً وكأن الوهابية شيء والسلفية شيء آخر بينما منبع علمهم هم علماء الجيل الأول من المسلمين أئمة الحديث النبوي وأئمة الفقة والمفسرين . ولم يكن ابن تيمية وابن عبدالوهاب إلا مجددين لما كان عليه الجيل الأول في التوحيد الإسلامي وكذلك في اثبات صفات الخالق في نصوص القرآن كما اثبتها الجيل الأول من المسلمين .
Hey are you a proud Muslim or just a academic educator??? Thanks
Can’t one be both?
@@thekandarichronicles no of course you can. It’s just some people are secular atheist but still study Islamic history. The reason I ask is that you don’t post much on theology,fiqh, and seerah but talk more about academic history of empires and historical figures.Sorry for confusion
@@Hunzakianiwhy not a Muslim can't be a academic with Islam? So according to you a academic must be secular or atheist? Secularism is an western french ideology so nothing is neutral. West always try to hide past glory of Islam civilization. So Muslim academic need to talk about Islamic civilization otherwise who will say. Muslim don’t need western certification to talk about Islamic civilization.
They do this all this time don't give credit to Islam for anything good but always blame islam for things it never caused.
He is.not a Muslim. He created his.own religion by mixing religion Islam , budizm and some mogol things.
People who says he is a Muslim did not understand anything from Islam
انت كويتي يا كندري ؟
البوهه كويتيه
Lulwa5 knows.
@@thekandarichronicles🤣👏👏👏👍
Ahhh. So sad to hear Barks was twisting the translations! 😢 Ive been working my way through his collection "The Essential Rumi". I suppose some things are inevitable when translating, but I agree that when dealing with specific concepts like "wazu", it preserves the meaning much better to just import the word AS IS and leave a footnote for the uninitiated rather than genericize it to something like "washing".
Howeverrrr 🤓 despite Barks and others trying to de-Islamicise him, I think it still stands that one of the most PREVALENT themes in his poetry is negation of religious legalism in favor of a more sensual (i.e. feeling and sensing) experience of the divine. You get the impression he is trying to liberate the reader from a slavish dedication to religious theory. This motif is actually HIGHLIGHTED when the Islamic words are used.
A great example, not from Rumi, but from a contemporary Pakistani sufi singer, (Nusrat Fateh Ali) "I do not know how to perform Namaz, nor do I know the Wazu, but when you arrive I fall in Sajda". If you de-Islamicize these lines they loose much of their power, but leaving it in actually HEIGHTENS the negation of religious tradition, which seems to be an important theme in much Sufi poetry.
All of that said, your central point stands, that the effort to make these writers more palatable to western audiences by 'de fanging' them of those 'barbaric' Islamic concepts does remove the crucial context from which this poetry EMERGED in the first place.