Kramnik Rage Quits After IM Destroys Him
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 22 ก.ย. 2024
- Vladimir Kramnik Gets Destoryed At Chess By International Chess Master So He Accuses Him Of Chess Cheating and rage quits. This is Mahdi Gholami Orimi vs Vladimir Kramnik, Early Titled Tuesday Chess Tournament, 30th January 2024.
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Lmao… when you play a lot of bad moves, it’s easier for your opponent to have a higher accuracy.
wdym kramnik had 90% accuracy
Kramnik explains this all the time. Watch his interview with MVL.
@@cooloutac Yeah he even talked about it in his 3 hour interview with Eric Hansen. Not too long after the interview, Kramnik played against Aman Hambleton and after the game, he implied Hambleton might have cheated. It was hilarious. He obviously didn't even know there was a connection between Hansen and Hambleton.
@@cfffba all the smurfing streamers cheat and so do most of the others. They have to keep up an image. You're talking about a guy who got smashed by an 1800 in the olympiad. lol I didn't even watch that interview it was so long and terrible. the best one is his interview with MVL.
FIDE really should insist that Kramnik stop his atrocious behavior or have his former titles stripped from him.
From a World Champion to a Grumpy Paranoid Grandpa 🤣
He blocks everyone he loses to. Soon he will only be playing players rated below 2000.
😂😂
Apparently you don't even watch his stream...smh...
@@cooloutacSure, we are all robots and always express ourselves in a 100% exact manner, we never use jokes or hyperboles so when we say "everyone", we literally mean "everyone"... There's no other interpretation.
@@cfffba its always rooted in truths. call it an exaggeration. cut it in half and he clearly still knows there is a problem and that online gaming is not even played by half the titled players, and the majority of the other half doesn't even take it seriously enough to play in any tournaments. Its also evident its been made clear to him making such statements goes against his interests.
Give him some credit. He doesn't just block everyone he loses to. He also blocks people who draw against him, and people who don't lose as easily as they should have.
Soon he will start accusing himself of cheating…….”very fast for my level”…..blocked😂😂😂
😂ha ha rolling with that one ☝️ 😅
Being titled K-Interesting is a honor not many chess players can claim.
I don't know, man... with each passing day that Kramnik plays chess, that honor becomes less exclusive.
@@chesscomsupport8689 The honor is only giving in OTB for a reason. The day that they are given online is the day that they become less meaningful. Erik Allebest the CEO of the website told Levitov Chessworld the large majority of titled players they ban are young FM's and IM's.
@@chesscomsupport8689 There is a reason titles are not given online. Half of the worlds titled players don't even play online, most of the other half don't even play in any online tournaments. Its not taken seriously already and will continue to be taken less seriously whether Kramnik existed or not. At least the website is ramping up security measures finally, only because of him. He is a hero.
Those moves looked findable and reactionary. I am rated as a 600 and have played 98% accuracy because the other player forced me to play the best moves lol
haha dont make a fool of yourself, I would rather bet on a world champion than a 600 rated player hanging queens left and right haha. You say the moves were findable? Why don't you play Kramnik and find those findable moves? Clearly your knowledge of this game is so very limited, you should limit yourself before making such outrageous claims haha 600 rating player claims moves were findable made my day guy really
Yeah, that finishing combo to win material was right out of a lichess practice puzzle. You don't need a rating that starts with a 2 to figure it out. Sad to say, former world champion Kramnik is just embarrassing himself nowadays.
@@johnh5259 I am pretty sure you would have found the move, you are 600 rating for a reason after all, you manage to find all sorts of moves.It's easy to speak when you see the solutions, but when it comes to real play, you cant find any moves obviously.
@@малинчекуровYou make a valid point
what classifies as cheating in chess:
- using an electronic device in/out oriphices
- using a proxy to signal u, ref or other
- pre arranging games with opponent
- being Hans Niemann
- defeating Vladimir Kramnik
What an ego trip by Kramnik - he’s gonna single-handedly save chess 🙄
Huge Ego
The Only pro athlete to go public with an aggressive stance against an e-sport gaming platform that does not take enough responsibility. He is a hero to most who are not part of the immature social media and streamer communities. I mean do we want chess just to be another game that is only taken seriously by children? Eventually the roosters come home to roost whether Kramnik exists or not.
@@cooloutac You're commenting everywhere to cry about your little Papa Kramnik who lost his credibility long ago. The guy you're trying to defend literally blocked someone before he got any proof of cheating... because he's got too egocentric to admit he can be beaten. He is no hero, just making a tantrum for attention. Maybe he's a hero within your little bubble and that's pretty much it.
We don't want cheaters, we don't want sore loser with huge ego like Kramnik either. It's not a dichotomous choice.
I don't know in what world you live in if you think Chess is taken seriously by children... Most children don't really care that much about Chess, it's "for old people"
no@@cooloutac
@@cooloutacDo you really believe Kramnik everytime he loses a game is due to his opponent cheated?
Maybe...just maybe, Kramnick is not as good as he once was or believes he is today. Maybe young players today are better and more capable than he belives.
he judges based on OTB performance rating. And for alot of these young players they don't correlate. Erik Allebest the CEO of the website told Levitov chessworld that most of the titled players he bans are young fm's and im's. It should come as no surprise to anyone.
@@cooloutac younger player's like Lazavic are growing and getting better every day. Their ratings, while can be a good judge of that players caliber, cant be some sort of strict system capable of judging them. I do believe there are plenty of cheaters in this world, but Kramnick's nuclear approach is just pitiful
@@Timmichanga361 I agree he is a great player. You judge them based on performance rating which his separate from skill level rating. Dennis has proved himself over the board this past year. Kramnik would agree now. But many players do not prove themselves either OTB or in a secure environment on a clean pc. And should not be allowed in in money events again until they do imo.
If Kramnik can prove cheating, good luck to him. Unfortunately he just comes across as the world's worst loser. Surely it's the job of chess authorities to look into this issue NOT the players.
I thought Magnus is the one that earned that title? Lol
Spot on
Kramnik. Best chess meme ever
Players should resign as soon as they see Kramnik. It's not worth it for up and coming players to get accusations against their name.
Absolutely. I feel sorry for all those who were publicly falsely accused of cheating by Kramnik. It must be heartbreaking.
Good idea tbf
You have to prove that accuracy is a reliable metric for determining cheating, before going on a rampage accusing everyone based on accuracy. Kramnik put the cart before the horse
The cap score is not a reliable way of catching cheaters. The way you can catch cheaters is their time usage between moves. Are they playing the best move or second best move with a consistent time usage? If they are lower rated like 500 and they go from losing every game to winning every single game without fail with around a 90%+ accuracy everytime then there’s a good chance it’s a cheater.
Kramnik to chess is Phil Helmuth to poker.
or trump to politics
@@airdeeTDS
Accuracy is higher when your opponent does not play well.
At this point just let that man win so he could stop complaining 😂😂😂
Lol
Thank you for adding the live footage.
How can you be a former WC and not understand accuracy. I'm a 1200 ish player, and I sometimes get 90+ accuracy, because I'm shitty, I get shitty opponents, and its easy to be accurate if your opponent does not do accurate, or not good moves. Accuracy is not about being "close to engine" Its about making good responses and not making mistakes.
Put another way, just because a player gets 98% accuracy in a game does NOT mean that the player is 2% away from being stockfish. After all, this should be obvious: No-one is 2% away from being stockfish. Stockfish has a rating of, idk, 3300 or something, maybe higher, and Magnus is at 2850 or so, which means Magnus should never be more than 86% accurate or so.
yeah I find the whole accuracy thing a bit confusing tbh
@@epicchess2021 I just checked, stockfish is 3634 (estimated) Cleary, no human will ever be CLOSE to its "accuracy" ever. basically most GM's would be 60% accurate, if the measure was "distance to stockfish", and I would be at like 25%.
Some games "play themselves" and its easy to not make mistakes, and be accurate.
Talk about yourself. I'm for sure 2% away from Stockfish' level.
Vlad: He is the gift that keeps giving over and over again.😂😂😂😂😂
Any time you’re looking for a wing man for one of those nights out for drinks hit me up
might cost a lot in plane fare
😂😂 noted haha
sometimes it's a compliment when you are accused to be a cheater.
I call this one Entitled Tuesday ... sense of entitlement on the one hand, perhaps, or, on the other, entitled to the benefit of the doubt.
I mean if my opponent blunder and loses his pieces of course my accuracy would be high.
Back in 2016 - Magnus was obviously a prolific cheater.
Lol
he does walk funny and always shows up late to the board. Seems to bully anyone who beats him. LIke yelling at Dennis "Thats bull@@$# Mother@@#@" and storming off. I'm laughing at all the people claiming Magnus was cursing to himself in Norwegian, when he is clearly leaning into the camera to make sure he is heard.... He hasn't raised the purse past the 2 mil Fischer got it to 50 years ago, for a reason bud. Society just can't stand any of these chess players and the game is not treated like a sport. Like HIkaru he has no qualms about smurfing players online for rating. Like hikaru was caught many times otb making illegal moves. I don't put anything past anyone and its shame he gets alot of exceptions made for him. like turning off his cam between games in the chessable masters which noone else was doing.
Kramnik: "Being just some ignorant person without a clue about statistics..." Yes Vladimir, don't you see an issue here? Not the slightest?
At the rate Kramnik is going, he will run for US President next.
Kramnik is raging against the dying of the light.
Like an old Roman senator, mistaking the sinking of his own ship with the end of the world.
That's really sad to see Kramnik going down that rabbit hole. Can he really block other players in Title Tuesday comp? Surely he will end up getting booted himself. Such poor sportsmanship.
That rook sac was screaming to be played, even I saw that immediately omg. What a gut punch to end a match wow
At first it was sad to see, for all of us. He is a legend. Now, well, he's turned calling checkmate into crying "cheat-mate" at every move. In his chess world, every pawn's a suspect and every game's a conspiracy.
Yeah, his accuracy seems to be propped up by the slightly inaccurate buildup of both, then Kram falls away dramatically, leaving his opponent with a series of easily projected tactics. He practically moved his opponent into position to win.
And I assume you are a super chess grandmaster? Or a 700 rated player commenting on games of world champions? "leaving his opponent with a series of easily projected tactics" "He practically moved his opponent into position to win.", if you are not a titled chess player you can not make such statements, you probably wouldn't last 20 moves against kramnik, yet you come here commenting his poor play. Funny guy.
@@малинчекуров Don't need to be a GM to understand a bad play
@@ragnablade5397 you are probably 800 rating and you can not understand a bad play
@@малинчекуров 1873 actually but i don't see how it's relevent
Most of the professional athletes try to find opportunity to cheat with PEDs, that also ruin their health. If they do, it is easy to predict that chess players will, too, especially when there is no health consenquence involved. Cheating is inherent in human nature, unfortunatelly.
This is not Grandmaster... this is my GrandMa...
Easier to blame it on the opponent than on yourself I guess.
98% accuracy is the new standard. Even for an IM. (not)
Kramnik is aspiring to be the Klown of Chess
In your variation If Black plays Kd8 attacking the R then Rd7!!! check by White offering the R before taking the Black R with the knight is way better. THX
Kramnik, go see a shrink.
Kramnik is losing it. These young kids are good... and fast. He needs to accept that
how can an IM nobody knows destroy a former world champion while never spending more than 4 seconds per move?? He would be a god otb too but nobody sees him otb
dude was a cheater. clearly
This is the reaction I expect my opponents to be making when I have a high accuracy game lol
The guy is absolutely paranoid😏
I've played Metiforce before. I don't think he's cheating. Kramnik played right into Metiforce's game, didn't give him any problems.
Chess equivalent of karens will now be called Kramniks
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Cheating in online game is real. But proving it is difficult as sometime you just need help in one or two moves only.
I am a 2200 player and every week I get points credit message.
My son is 1800 player I take him to offline chess tournaments in India, so many cheating incidents happen on the board that arbiters are kept busy all the time. We are tired of all those arguments.
Cheating will bring down Chess.
The toilet reference just killed me 😂😂
(for those who don't know, google for Topalov vs Kramnik 2006 cheating scandal)
Haha yeah but that is not what that is! This is Rausis, see here: www.chess.com/news/view/rausis-loses-gm-title-gets-6-year-ban-for-phone-cheating
@@epicchess2021 ahh..my bad, Yes, I read about this that time but never saw the actual photo though. But it would've been hilarious if you used the toilet reference about 2006 incident 😃 #contentsuggestion 😛
Its really sad to see what Kramnik has been going through. He is not just a former world champ but very good human being too. Something must be wrong with his mental condition. I hope things turns out good for him.
Most chess players have a kid like mentality in adult bodies
Pawns are the PHOENIX of chess, as only they can be reborn as a superior piece.
Ah I like it very nice
I admire your channel's meticulous attention to detail, including your thoughtful considerations. Your chess analysis is superb and always on point.
Thanks a lot appreciate it!
I agree that Kramnik is the boy who cried wolf. But an IM playing 98.3 accuracy against the former world champion and using barely 90 seconds of time on his clock for the whole game is actually kinda sus.
No disrespect but It seems you missed something After black plays Kd8 attacking the white R white has Rd7 check!! It is way more clean and wins the house otherwise black has Ra6 instead of taking the R with the k attacking the knight, Thanks
I get back rank checkmated often but I've had a 96% game.
It is wild that Kramnik supposedly lost credibility, but cheaters are taken for granted. Sorry, but you guys don't get the psychology of top players. They need a certain madness to come to the top. They developed a very strong intuition for this game, spent their life for it, and then a no name comes along and crushes them with 98%. Remember when Carlsen accused Niemann.
why did you cut the part where he lets time to run out?
Oh just because he kind of rambles for another 20 seconds and I didn’t want it to be boring. Maybe wrong move tho, certainly wasn’t trying to hide anything tho, full stream is on his TH-cam channel
The combination of more cheating than ever and young players being stronger than ever because they play bots before they learn to walk has fried Kramnik's brain.
It's a high accuracy but there weren't any difficult decisions or complex moves to win the game .. IMO.
1. He let his opponent take the open file.
2. Trapped his own rook for nothing
This is what lost him the game. It's not that hard.
No way an IM can beat Krammik. No fucking way.
Of course IM can beat Kramnik, when Kramink plays poorly
think again , single game ofc they can when grumpy and tired Kramnik made bad moves and trap himself
@@joshuahietala5174 how much précision do u need to call it poor? What is poor for a former 2700+ n word champion who beat Kasparov n Leko is ultimate rich for an IM. Years ago, players of that level (Krammik level) would never lose that many games in a row, especially on a rapid.
Obviously, players r having fun to provoke him n make some dramas. It s sad, really.
@@WolvesFI To get to a point where Krammik make goofy moves takes at minima a 2600++ GM. There s a huge gap between a normal GM and an IM. And another gap vetween Krammik n the usual GM. The repetion of defeat is just no coincidence. People r having fun of him. N it s sad. Sad for him, sad for chess in general. Sorry .
@@arnaud.lancelotThat doesn’t even make sense. Just because he was once good doesn’t mean he is still in the same level and IMs are now stronger than they were when Kramnik was world champion etc. obviously
He is crying more than Magnus...
Kramnik isn't half the player he was in the 90's and 00's.
Kramnik played poorly and got punished. He did this to himself, lol!
the things we don't know... is unfortunately a source for madness.
Has Kramnik got a friend who can take him aside? Perhaps an intervention by someone who he trusts??
Kamsky does the same thing when he loses to anyone below GM level
7:15 lmao
Kramnik is a 100 percent correct with his critique in general. Every serious Pro knows that, the problem is the evidence.
Well he's correct in that there are chaters in online chess, yes. That's not a controversial opinion, everybody agrees with him on that. The thing is he went completely of the rails with his cheater-reporting frenzy and his accusations... He even accused Hikaru of cheating. Just let that sink in...
@@cfffba Hikaru doesn't _need_ to cheat sure but that doesn't put him above suspicion...... _anyone_ can cheat - Magnus has been helped a in Tournament on his Livestream by his friends for example.....video evidence of that....nothing was done.
@@blaze1148 True! Nobody should be above suspicion and if Kramnik has any credible evidence at all that Nakamura is a cheater, he should definitely expose him. I'm not holding my breath though.
@@cfffba most of the streamers cheat to keep up an image. You are talkinga bout a guy who stopped playing in chess24 events because he doesn't like anti cheating measures. Its why he is now why he totally flipped from saying cheating is a major problem during the Hans Neiman issue, to now saying its being overblown. You are being naive. Reporting someone is just a check on their account, noone can have evidence of cheating and its up to the website to take responsibility. His point is that no exceptions should be made and the players taking home the most money should be scrutinized the most. Every pro player agrees with kramnik on this.
@@RichACBlues Yes and therefore "let's block someone because he won against me, I don't have proof but I've made up my mind"
You do know it's up to the person claiming something to prove it's true. The website already take responsibility by banning a lot of cheaters when it's obvious and there is little to no doubt about them cheating.
Kramnik need to chill, and look in the mirror. His action and what he says are not the same. It's like a lot of extreme religious people.
You say "most streamer cheat to keep up an image", do you have any prove, or are you just throwing misinformation ?
It is a terrible thing to have a great mind but just a little knowledge. We are fooled into thinking we know enough. Kramnik has grown paranoid over cheating in chess. That's all.
The Kramnik meme grows stronger
I agree with Kramnik. I think Hikaru and other grandmasters are cheating online, it's just not the kind of cheating everyone thinks about when they first hear that statement.
Hans: attains lolcow status
Kramniks: gibbe dat attention
Kramnik needs a Snickers.
I just come here for the totally unrelated christmas photo repost
😂
90 accuracy for a 2900+ player seems low - that would explain the result without any further thinking IMO. IMRosen often does 95+ at 25-2600
yes 98.3% accuracy on a 3min game against a grandmaster from a player never heard before.
It is done all the time. Nothing to see here
@@enovationsgrwow your logic is great except for the fact there are 3800 active IMs in the world and you are under the impression that
1. you know what an IM does to become an IM
2. you know them all
Clearly both false.
Most of white's moves seem obvious, and the start and end any competent player over 2000 would surely score 100%. But it is the quieter moves in the middle you have to look at - though even some of these are not surprising given that Kramnik invited them with some poor play. In the end I don't know if there was cheating or not. But on this one game, I think there is nothing conclusive.
So whats wrong with doing a normal procedure? It's not the best mannerism to block, but to report is okay. If the guy feels like he is playing a cheater, who am i to question that. Certainly doesn't mean that he lost his mind or anything.
Kramnik retired with a great reputation. Dude was unanimously loved and/or respected. He took all that good will and flushed it down the toilet with his paranoia. It's a bit sad really.
So, 98+ accuracy is standard now?
I have literally no clue how that accuracy thing works tbh!
WFM Anna Cramling has recently played against a 3000-rated player with an accuracy of 96.2... And no, she wasn't cheating. Nobody really knows how it is calculated but a high accuracy is certainly not an indicator of cheating per se.
@@cfffba How do yo know she wasn't? She is a streamer who wants content. What was her opponents accuracy? Was the position complicated? all these things matter.
@@cooloutac Hi Vlad. Her opponent also had a 96% accuracy. She lost on time.
@@Romans8-9 who was her opponent? and you do realize the entire chess world supports Kramnik right? Do you realize only half the titled players in the world even have accounts on the website, and most that do don't even play in any tournaments online cause online chess is seen as a joke not to be taken seriously? The fact they ramped up cheating measures for the chessable masters is thanks to Kramnik.
Just because a guy hits a high accuracy doesn't mean they cheated for sure. Especially if the oppo is making so many mistakes.
"Especially if the oppo is making so many mistakes.". Don't forget Kramnik is a former world champion and a legend of the sport. His accuracy for the game is 90%. Where are these so many mistakes? According to the engine there are two mistakes. You mean Kramnik played very poorly that's why his opponent scored 98%? If you claim Kramnik played poorly and made supposedly so many mistakes, you can go play against kramnik and prove him his bad play, I bet you can easily win. You didnt understand 90% of the game, yet you come here and make statements. Funny guy.
Vlad, is this you? 😂@@малинчекуров
This is Magnus’ fault. He baselessly accused Hans of OTB cheating, and now Kramnik is accusing everybody. Magnus played poorly and lost - Kram plays slowly and poorly, and lost to my old Grannie yesterday.
GRANNIE IS NOT A CHEAT!!! She plays the Bird, ffs…
Magnus accused him of cheating before, not OTB. And Hans admitted to said cheating.
Magnus accusing a 100+ times cheater, student of another acclaimed cheater, who was caught multiple times and STILL didn't stop cheating, who couldn't even begin to explain his moves for that game and literally tried to claim an obviously losing line is winning, is NOTHING like Kramnik. Magnus does not accuse anyone lightly!
Next, you'll accuse the ancients for first starting a war as a justification for Vietnam LOL.
@@miedzinshs And then Magnus, Hikaru and others spent months pretending Hans cheated OTB. Hikaru spent considerable time looking over fake stats regarding Hans' OTB games, rubbed his chin and claimed 'sus' and said he cannot say for certain he cheated but... sus!
Magnus 'accused' him only after losing OTB, and only then made his salty show by quitting. He then realized he could not accuse Hans of cheating OTB so made some weak and childish innuendo comments and allowed Hikaru and other to take over. Sad to see great chess minds become children.
Kramnik is taking names of all these cheaters!
he played this game so bad.
So, he plays dubiously and is infuriated when sub-2500 players punish his insolence? He's simply not an I.M.-level chess player anymore. Rather than accept that he's not very good anymore or simply stop playing, it's more "reasonable" for him to immediately accuse anyone who beats him of cheating; based solely on an engine's accuracy scores. I have had 98% accuracy scores against inferior opponents. That's what he can come to grips with- he, the great Vladimir Kramnick, is an inferior opponent... a guppy!!!
When you play dodgy moves you're pushing your opponent to find accurate ones. White played well but Kramnik helped him play well.
anyone is a cheater who beat him
What a guy! Will he be punished?😂
Most of the eval bar's drop-down is right after moves from black, not after moves from white. Kramnik seems to be mostly self-inflicting damage to his position on several occasions in this game, strongly supporting your analyses that Kramnik is self-inflicting damage to his mere reputation when he dutifully licks his pencil and reports people as cheaters after losing to them.
I think his camera background, however homey and cozy, isn't helping at all. There's the former WC, in a washed-out yellow polo shirt under gruesome lighting conditions, sitting in front of a 1970's cupboard containing a few very tiny prize cups. Even flat-earthers in many cases don't look as detached as Kramnik.
Starting to think the issue is Kromnik and not Hans!
Why hating cheaters? Pope says every human deserves respect regardless of the sin. Let’s cure them by love and foregiveness. Kramnik should learn cheating basics to effectively cheat the cheaters. Amen.
If you don't trust online chess maybe it's time to stop playing online chess 😢
Someone should calculate what is rating would be if he were right about all of his cheating accusations and those matches were discounted.
Kermitt isn't bad for a guy over six feet tall... not his fault
What would you think if your opponent has an accuracy of 98 %?
Enjoy the actual live footage we need more of that
Kramnic look into how he spells "Destoryed". Interesting indeed.
Clearly he was referencing Dostoevsky since cheating is a matter of Crime and Punishment 😉
Kramnik is a disgrace.
The disrespect shown to former wc kramnik is out of the world. Average commentator is a 1000 elo. Not sure what the TH-camr s elo is but ye won't be shocked.
Definitely there is a lot of cheating going on, easy 50% of the players do cheat, he knows what he's talking about, most players forget who he is and what he has accomplished, among other things he's the second player ever to win a World Championship title without losing a game! Can you guess who was the first one?? Yes Sir you got it!!!Jose Raul Capablanca! 🇨🇺🎯
Should one feel sorry for Kramnik? He’s self destroying, he must feel hopeless, he still should be that good to know that. As many sport people, he should consider a career switch, not easy. And staying in chess is becoming difficult after this kind of performance.
The white position was easy to play for a player at a master level. Kramnik was not able to create complications to derail white simple plan.
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