The real-world mission, which came to mind immediately while watching this, was Operation Opera. Worthy of simulating. They flew at 30M at night over Iraq with 8 F167s and 6 F15s flying cap. attempting to fly under the radar of the Iraqi defences.
@@jimc1654 That would require a higher powered transmitter than a short-range intercom unit. The normal datalink would be one-way under stealth conditions - AWACS transmitting, other aircraft receiving only.
@@No1sonuk would be interesting to see how far a $20 Walmart walkie-talkie could be picked up on a big military radio scanner. We've used them on car trips and they're good for around a mile or so line-of-sight to eachother which would be more than enough for the formation they were holding through that valley, and even if someone on the ground happened to be on the same freq (cue angry security guard telling us to shut up while driving past an industrial complex...) at 500kts you'd be out of range long before they heard a meaningful number of words.
@@symphonon109 Holly molly this AI made the best decision possible. Like was mentioned, nothing good was waiting for him if he had returned to base. I am genuinely impressed. Was this a glitch? Probably yes. But I like to think it was not and the developers of DCS coded a hidden 1 in a 1'000 chance that this would occur in a very particular scenario like we just witnessed here. A man can dream...
An actual F22 pilot said .9 mach was very fuel efficient and 1.6 super cruise was very fuel efficient. Anything in between would gobble the fuel up. He said it was something that took practice and if you did not do it right your fuel levels would reflect that.
Wave drag certainly peaks dramatically around M1.0 so I can believe that cruising near that speed was relatively inefficient. That's why Concorde used its afterburners to break the sound barrier - it didn't need it and could go supersonic on dry thrust but fighting that extra drag in a slow acceleration used more fuel than getting up to speed quickly on reheat. It would be interesting to know what "very fuel efficient" at M1.6 actually means - does he mean comparable fuel consumption to a subsonic cruise or just that it's very efficient compared to a similar jet using its burners?
@@trolleriffic He was comparing it to not getting up to 1.6 mach super cruise the "proper" way in the F22 whatever that means and more fuel efficient than the F16 cruising at .9 mach.
Fighter Pilot Podcast.F22 episode. I guess u need to work harder on tactics.Going at FL50 and supercruise,veritcal notch into valley then lag intercept from below.Loosing 3 F22 on a op is not an option.Spcially when they cannot be replaced.
Well this is something you don't see everyday: F-22s flying extremely low as if trying to evade radar detection. The jets should be flown at Mach 1.7 super-cruise at 50,000 feet.
Probably your best ever video by a long shot ! It had everything - sneaky high testosterone canyon run, Cap leaving his radar on, a mistimed approach that sees the target minutes from landing, selfless heroics from the supporting cast, and our hero finishing the job with GUNS (!) before outrunning no less than five enemy interceptors and running out of fuel less than 40 km from base and having to ditch on a mountaintop. And the icing on the cake - one Su-27 pilot realizing that his career and or life may be over decides to defect and land his aircraft at the friendly while being escorted in by an F-22. 'Murica ! Someone call Tom Cruise, we have the script for Top Gun III ready to go ! (PS - It's obvious that Cap has never seen a Star Wars film, he missed all the Luke Skywalker references !)
A great entertaining mission! As a person whom flies DCS and creates his own missions I am always amazed at how often AI do things that I never asked them to do. Watching the Su 27 land at an enemy field due to lack of fuel, I presume was awesome!
Fun fact: When Frank Whittle was inventing the jet engine, another engineer was simultaneously inventing their own jet engine in Germany, completely independently.
Fun, as always. When you guys were trying to stealth in and worrying about them noticing you from above, I kept wondering about all the little villages and towns you were flying over at such low altitude. I would think people would be calling in on their phones about all the noise, which would then alert the people from above to start searching for you.
There may be a huge delay though. Would the emergency services have a direct connection to the military? It would make sense if they did, but would they? And even if they did, they'd presumably need to investigate, or they'd require one of the people saying "it was an F22" to know that it's an immediate serious threat and not just some crank.
@@RyanHellyer - All good questions, and I'm certain none of them would be F22 experts, but they were flying for about 15 minutes, and if people keep calling emergency services, or something similar, as long as they're doing their job, it wouldn't that long for them to tell the military to start tracking the line the reports are coming from, especially if the President was flying in that area.
@@RyanHellyer If they life close to an airbase they'd have a direct line I think. My parents used to life quite close to an airbase in the 80's and they'd call to the base directly to report when any planes flew over the town too low/fast. Which apparently happened regularly enough for them to have the number ready to go.. Lol.
Something similar happened to me back on July 4th 2001. My neighbor across the street had a runway and airplane hangar in his backyard. He was out flying that day. Well apparently some idiot not too far from us in a county over in Florence, AL was flying an airplane underneath a bridge outside of a busy park. The military scrambled 2 F15 jets to intercept him. On the way to Florence they must have picked our neighbor up on radar and thought he may have been the culprit. The two fighters kept flying over our house and neighborhood. It was quite scary. They had to be close to stall speeds. They would fly right over the tree tops. They were so close that I could catch a glimpse of the pilots a couple of times. Needless to say, they buzzed my neighbor a couple of times. They scared the shit out of him so he landed. 5 minutes later a state trooper was in his driveway and questioning him. My neighbor was confused about the whole situation. He thought he had gotten too close to Brown's Ferry Nuclear Plant. To this day I wonder if they would have shot him down had he not landed.
So... How much it could be different if you guys fly with external fuel tanks until you're about to be exposed to the enemies radars? I guess if you did all the first part of the flight with them, it could be enough to leave enough fuel to get home.
@@grimreapers A2A refuelling is functional for the F22 I believe, that could make a big difference. If you set it up again I would have a tanker ready before and after, and I would have a friendly defense of F15s to keep the chasers off once you are back in friendly airspace.
"Mos Eisley Spaceport. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious." - Ben Kenobi I can't believe you missed the first Star Wars movie reference. (Beggar's Canyon).
i think he was just pulling everyone's leg:) Cap knows the reference, he hosted a whole server versus star destroyer, c'mon think about it:) Cap made the best answer, and I laughed:)
Defending against an attack on Air Force One was one of the bonus scenarios in Jane's USAF back in the 90s. You were a flight of F-15Es (I think, might have been Cs) on a refueling training mission that just happened to be nearby and caught completely unprepared. Drop tanks, turn and burn. :)
Question that hit my head: With such a small radar cross section, couldn't a type of drone decoy be developed that could match the speed and radar cross section of a stealth aircraft? In high risk situations where ground radar/SAMs are involved, I'd think they'd be a great countermeasure.
Can't see a reason why that couldn't be done. What you're describing sounds a lot like a stealth cruise missile so it would probably be worth putting a warhead on it so it can blow something up when you're done with it being a decoy.
You should look up the ADM-20 Quail, it’s a decoy drone that was intended to be launched from B-47 Stratojets and B-52 Stratofortresses to mimick their speed and radar cross section to make itself indistinguishable from a low-flying B-52 on Soviet radar systems. Launching multiple ADM-20s would coerce the Soviets into spreading their air defense systems thin (across multiple targets) with the hopes of increasing the odds of a real B-52 surviving. It was removed from USAF inventory in 1978 as ground radar had improved, reducing the effectiveness of the Quail. Other systems have also been developed to perform the same role, seems like most have been withdrawn by now.
@@TheWoblinGoblin they developed missiles that were supposed to do the same thing as the ADM-20 and then drop down to kill a SAM or radar system, then they just made it a long range ground attack missile for the B-52
This was so entertaining to watch! Without really knowing how things would go and watching as the "story" pivoted when things went wrong to having a satisfying conclusion as well as a surprise ending. This type of mission, at least for me, is much easier to both follow and enjoy vs the missions with dozens of POV. Would love to see more content like this. Thanks!
When you talked about the possibilities of jet engines back in the early 30's it reminded me of a quote I heard today. " If I asked the people what they wanted, they'd say a faster horse" and that was from Henry Ford.
Very unexpected mission ending guys. Great mission all around, aside from the almost FUBAR moment when Cap decided to see where the target was, but it's okay. This is a game after all, we don't expect perfect planning, but fun, yes. Love the low-level stuff. What you were saying Cap about the F111's etc, I saw an A10 once crest a hil upside down then roll out the right way. It was my first A10 sighting and for that manoeuvre. It was on a big exercise somewhere in the UK, I was on the ground.
What's great about this sim run is that you acknowledge that the F-22 is a really cool airplane, but it is not magic. It has limitations. It is a tool and it has good and bad ways to deploy that tool.
15:48: Probably not. Turbine blades had an atrocious lifespan back then. It was not until we got better metalurgical processes and could grow single crystal blades that they get really practical.
@@nocount7517 turbine blades were typically "grown" from a single grain of titanium(iirc). Multiple grains have boundaries that the blades will crack at. They have been able to 3d laser sinter them now though for 10-ish years.
This was the most daring and successful mission. Radio silence is a absolute neccity flying stealth. It would be interesting if it was Airforce one. What type of defensive measures are available.
That was some beautiful flying and a lot of tense fun. Thanks for the book recommendation, I'll look into it when I get back from the Antarctic with Shackleton ("Endurance" by A. Lansing)
Fun mission, except 1 point - you shot transport Il-76 which doesn't have any counter measures except IR flares. I believe that Air 1 has all possible anti radar features that are available at that country. ;)
It would be cool to try it at different periods of time as well such as early Cold War, then maybe Vietnam-era, and a Red Storm Rising type fight in the early or mid-80s.
Another thing about the jet engine is that they're ludicrously inefficient at low speeds especially. When the tech first started to come together to build jet engines, all-metal airframes were in their infancy and planes weren't capable of flying fast enough to make any real use of them. By the time planes were able to reach those speeds, a lack of previous funding of research into efficient compressors kept them from being broadly adopted for several years. They weren't funded earlier because it was trivial to sit down with a pencil and paper and "prove" jets would never make sense because of thermal limits of turbines and flight speeds.
I think the F22, being kept classified, can take down anything. The pilots aren’t even allowed to use most of their stealth capabilities in the field (unless strictly authorized). This really is still a top notch aircraft that is still very under wraps… even the bloody cockpit is still classified!
Regarding the stealth capability of the B-2 vs F-22... I remember hearing or reading that a B-2 has a much smaller radar cross section than a F-22 due to the fact that the B-2 has no vertical stabilizers, and something about how the exhaust is vented in a way that cools it better/faster.
I kind of want to see you guys run the scenario again (and hopefully all make it back). Then to spice things up, add some humans flying the Russian side of things.
considering recent events, I think some higher ups in Russia would be using this as an opportunity to take upver and to blame everything on Putin and gracefully withdraw from Ukraine without losing too much face. The Su pilot defecting at the end was hilarious.
so fun ya! Maybe try the same thing with the best non-stealth planes, to see if it's possible? F-16s? F-18's? Go back in time... F-14's? I really want to see this with a Eurofighter once that comes out! (official one, not a mod)
Yup. This was such a great concept (hitting a flying high value target in a high threat environment) you SHOULD try other airframes to see if it is doable. Win conditions, EVERYONE gets home.
@@grimreapers what if you had 1 F-22 and 2 F-35s for ground attacks against radars and Sams, while also using the linked radar to assist the other aircraft and also fight off the fighter jets as the F-22 intercepts
Visual spotters might have informed the HQ as soon as you entered the Russian airspace. The Caucasus might be huge but it's not empty, the Russian-Georgian border is heavily guarded and the weather conditions were superb.
Yeah thats the reason why a Germán citizen landing his plane on the red square of Moscow in all the cool world. Really George? i dont know Someone to call The Army If a plain fly above its house.
@@VITOLLFOTOGRAFIA That was a small Cessna-like civilian plane, these were F22 jets with US insignia. Should I elaborate any further the difference between the two cases?
@@gaborbravo1 I insist, I have never heard, that people call the police (obviously not the army) because a plane, military or not, flies over their houses. Unless it breaks the sound barrier.
@@VITOLLFOTOGRAFIA I mentioned visual spotters and heavily guarded borders between Russia and Georgia = not civilians but military personell. I was hiking around that area (Kazbegi) back in 2017 when I climbed Mount Kazbek, that just happen to be right on the Russian/Georgian border and I have to pass many military checkpoints with passport inspections. Those checkpoints are there for a reason - to notify anything suspicious to the HQ. The Russian side of the border has to be guarded at least as heavily. Low flying US jets just cannot pass unnoticed through that border.
@@VITOLLFOTOGRAFIA Becasue it was a small fart of a plane and no danger. They saw it, that thing is just so incredible small and weak, that it can't even have much on board, becaue it would not have the range anymore.
ive been watching you guys on here for a few months going through your back catalogue and i put this challenge on while i was having breakfast today. It was so good, realy exciting. I just wanted to say amazing, edge of the seat entertaiment thankyou!
While you three were flying over the Villages over Russian territory, the Military Observers posted in such villages to spot this very terrain hugging enemy flying would be relayed directly to command through powerful military comms channels to the command. They would definitely do that to counter any terrain hugging deep strike Stretegy even if it is in suicide mode to strike high value targets. In real life I mean. In DCS this is lots n lots of fun 😀✌🏻❤️ and the AI defector Flanker was the Cherry on Top 😝😝😝 good one guys ✌🏻😀
Fun fact: in F-22 TAW; there is a mission where you are armed with only guns and you have to use altitude to defeat the enemy climbing high to evade and diving down to get them
Would’ve loved to see effective time on target where you guys don’t have to expose yourselves the way you were forced to since you clearly hadn’t been seen until then, but that was some wild flying and topped off with the A.I. pilot defector haha
This one immediately made me think of the mission to shoot down Yamamoto. Mos Eisley... my stepfather always said he used to get drunk in that cantina. Really, Mos Eisley seems like a thinly disguised version of Truth or Consequences, NM. I've always liked that town.
Damp mentioned the beauty of flying through the canyons of Georgia with other planes, and it reminded me I didn't send you my footage of we Su-27s following him to the fight against the evil, northerner BluFor today. It wasn't as action packed as this, but it was super fun. Live and learn I guess.
I would love to see various sims using fictional aircraft: the Firefox MiG, any of the Dreamland planes from Dale Brown's books like the EB-52 Megafortress, the crank-arrow F-16XL from the Wingman book series, GIJOE and Cobra airframes, F/A-37 Talon from 'Stealth', and any of the airframes from the Thunderbirds Are Go tv show.
This reminds me of Project: Stealth Fighter on the Commodore 64, or, F-19 Stealth Fighter on the Amiga. It was available on other platforms. BUT the premise of sneaking into enemy airspace and jumping a priority target by popping up with a friendly AMRAAM hello was great fun. Completely fictional but great fun... especially ducking down, slowing down, and letting the pursuing half of the Russian air force blunder over you searching. The sharp turns would have increased your radar cross section and that was something I tried to avoid.
Amiga....that's a name I've not heard in a long...time. Sorry...it was the Star Wars references in the video 😉 No doubt you'd remember Matt Shaw's Figher Ace? Nah, you're into jets 🙁
I genuinely thing stealth will be obsolete by the end of the 2020's. The advancements in radar power is too big to avoid simply by making a plan "more stealthy". Like how would you do that? How much smaller than 0.1mRCS can you go? Unless your plane gets physically smaller...there's not much you can do other than to improve stealth coatings and materials.
I mean you can still get much closer before being detected, and even if in the future a stealth plane is detected at 50 miles (as opposed to 500 for a non stealth), simply having a weapon with more than 50 miles of range will mean you can still shoot from stealth. Things like the meteor missile, or the upcoming aim-260, can take advantage of this with their longer range.
@@Sir_Budginton While yes its basically always better it really just comes down to whether the benefits justify the massive cost. In that sense I agree with the OP that "stealth" planes really are overhyped. No plane is stealth its low observable, and is more of a "win more" situation. Even going by their video (which is very biased and I dont know how they could fail), you see that as soon as they actually come into view of the radars (with enough power to detect, ie the SAM and airborne ones) they are instantly seen.
paused at 14:28 to say good lord this is so so cool. Reminds me of the intro to Janes Fighters Anthology where a c17 is being excorted by x32s and they get ambushed by migs. So cool.
Why dont Su-35s have L-Band radar modeled on to them? With that they could spot F-22 at far longer range than 10 miles. That is severely handicapping Russians. And why do Su-35s have to use their own radars when they can pair up with S-300/400 radar and use it for detecting, tracking and targeting.
Beggar's Canyon is just outside of Mos Eisley. There is a great bar there. I went there once and they had a cool band playing. But then A fight broke out and a few minutes later, somebody got shot.
14:25 The early Aardvarks had a problem/characteristic that a sudden dive caused the engines to stall. So, so to hop over a saddle, it was necessary to turn upside down. That might be where the technique originated.
It also has to do with the fact that pulling nose down causes negative g, which is not only more uncomfortable for the pilot, but has a big risk of damaging stores and ordinance, as well as the aircraft.
That was a cool mission. Only thing I wonder about is if SuperCap actually messed up the timing on the infil or if he did it on purpose without telling his wingmen for a more entertaining video.
Lol, you honestly think if we were to "overwhelm" them that they don't have the ability to retaliate in some way ? I know if someone came in my country and started sh%^&** I would retaliate in a huge way by obliterating your bases no matter hiw far they are and hit you with a thousand hypersonic unstoppable missiles. As an American I think these " fantasy" scenarios are fun to watch but hope we never become stupid enough to even attempt this against their hear of state or even as far as provoke the Russians. Sorry but these Russians are no joke and they're not farmers with pitch fork and can retaliate in a mega scale and retaliate in a mega way. And trust me when I tell you that the Russians are either close to either having way to break our stealth technology or close to it. Once that happens and with their superior advanced technology our raptors woild be wiped away like playing Nintendo's duck hunt
@@giopruneda7266 it’s a game. It’s also a very unrealistic situation. My question was only going to have them revisit this scenario in a different way. You can edit your comment and take ALL the ignorance right out of it. Thanks bud 👍🏻
@@giopruneda7266 also I’m going to need you to Google the SU-57 Felon. And before you say anything else about this there are radars that are very capable of detecting stealth aircraft. Those radar domes are placed on both mountain peaks and on top of their Navy ships. We have better versions of them on our Navy. Plus no world power has the assets necessary to attack American forces gathered and ready to fire. First it would be an act of war. Second it would have been detected and dealt with diplomatically prior to the first shot being fired. Next time before you let your little SJW fingers go off on a rant make sure you: know what you’re talking about, and ranting to the right person about the right topic.
I really want some more followup on the AI defector because like... that has to be one of the most interesting things I've ever seen from DCS. Like not only a fun narrative, but like maybe even looking at the code or what might have caused that 😂
+GrimReapersAtomic *Russian D-band air-surveillance radars can detect most aircraft in line of sight,* but the Lockheed Marin F-22 can only be locked up by J-band and shorter-wavelength targeting radars within visual range - close enough for the Raytheon (USA) AIM-9 and the Vympel (RUS) R-60, R-73, and R-74, not to mention 20x102mm and 30x165mm AP-HEI.
Man, everytime I watch these it brings me back to when I was a kid. I was a US Army brat in cold war Germany... Stuttgart to be exact. At the time I was one of maybe 10 kids on base and everyone bought me toys, played with me, offered to babysit, I grew up with amazing men and women. I still have a sled that this huge black dude named Thomas used to drag me all around the Black Forest on. I loved it. Desperately miss that time. I know it was very bad for a lot of people but they shielded me from it. They were all like family to me. And as my dad often does found a beautiful home off base that everyone envied and couldn't figure out how he found it. So lots of parties, SGTs sleeping over, his friends sleeping over. My mom was very close with the other few Stuttgart based wives and some West German women. When I was two apparently I did a dance on the tables at Oktoberfest that thrilled the locals because I was copying them. "Dad ist yer Kinder?!" alot that day. When we moved to America my sister passed away on the way to my uncle's funeral. Though time as my mom was pregnant and malpractice killed my sister Rebecca. When we settled with the hospital we bought a home near Fort Vancouver where family was and the Army graciously stationed my father and gave him a driving job for a Colonel. Where our house was the F-4 Phantoms and F-15's used to buzz by at mach 1 atleast until it became illegal. After my father's discharge we used to just go and watch the F-15's while he was still in the reserves. Really miss that. I couldn't fly because of my autoimmune disease and it always bums me out. God Bless all who serve and have.
The real-world mission, which came to mind immediately while watching this, was Operation Opera. Worthy of simulating.
They flew at 30M at night over Iraq with 8 F167s and 6 F15s flying cap. attempting to fly under the radar of the Iraqi defences.
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@@grimreapers great minds think alike, another great vid!
By now I think the Red Baron would take them out by himself.
@@panan7777 Von Rictofen was a badass
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As an amateur radio operator, I can tell you this: flying a stealth mission while jabbering away on the radio is a career-limiting maneuver.
It will be interesting to see if the F 22 can the datalink for radio.
Yeh I think my AF career would be VERY short...
@@jimc1654 That would require a higher powered transmitter than a short-range intercom unit. The normal datalink would be one-way under stealth conditions - AWACS transmitting, other aircraft receiving only.
I'd assume they have low-powered UHF for formation intercom.
@@No1sonuk would be interesting to see how far a $20 Walmart walkie-talkie could be picked up on a big military radio scanner. We've used them on car trips and they're good for around a mile or so line-of-sight to eachother which would be more than enough for the formation they were holding through that valley, and even if someone on the ground happened to be on the same freq (cue angry security guard telling us to shut up while driving past an industrial complex...) at 500kts you'd be out of range long before they heard a meaningful number of words.
“It’ll be just like Beggar’s Canyon back home!”
Perfect comment!!! 😂😂😂😂😂😂. Well said!
It's like shooting womprats back at home
Exciting to see what the new stealth refueling could extend our capabilities.
Flew right over his head. lol
@@countryrebel01 So did the comment about Mos Eisley. 😂
That ending was not at all expected, but holy crap it was nifty
same
@@symphonon109 they’re learning😂
@@symphonon109 Holly molly this AI made the best decision possible. Like was mentioned, nothing good was waiting for him if he had returned to base. I am genuinely impressed. Was this a glitch? Probably yes. But I like to think it was not and the developers of DCS coded a hidden 1 in a 1'000 chance that this would occur in a very particular scenario like we just witnessed here. A man can dream...
Are we sure that was really AI and not another person? Never seen an AI decide to 'defect'.
An actual F22 pilot said .9 mach was very fuel efficient and 1.6 super cruise was very fuel efficient. Anything in between would gobble the fuel up. He said it was something that took practice and if you did not do it right your fuel levels would reflect that.
No he didn't!
Wave drag certainly peaks dramatically around M1.0 so I can believe that cruising near that speed was relatively inefficient. That's why Concorde used its afterburners to break the sound barrier - it didn't need it and could go supersonic on dry thrust but fighting that extra drag in a slow acceleration used more fuel than getting up to speed quickly on reheat. It would be interesting to know what "very fuel efficient" at M1.6 actually means - does he mean comparable fuel consumption to a subsonic cruise or just that it's very efficient compared to a similar jet using its burners?
@@trolleriffic He was comparing it to not getting up to 1.6 mach super cruise the "proper" way in the F22 whatever that means and more fuel efficient than the F16 cruising at .9 mach.
Fighter Pilot Podcast.F22 episode.
I guess u need to work harder on tactics.Going at FL50 and supercruise,veritcal notch into valley then lag intercept from below.Loosing 3 F22 on a op is not an option.Spcially when they cannot be replaced.
Altitude is also a factor but you are absolutely correct the inlet is maximized for M.9
Well this is something you don't see everyday: F-22s flying extremely low as if trying to evade radar detection. The jets should be flown at Mach 1.7 super-cruise at 50,000 feet.
Well, these are mods, so everything is a guess at best, from acceleration, maneuverability, stealth effectiveness, etc
Even stealth jets can be seen with a big and powerful enough radar array. Flying low helps avoid that
Probably your best ever video by a long shot !
It had everything - sneaky high testosterone canyon run, Cap leaving his radar on, a mistimed approach that sees the target minutes from landing, selfless heroics from the supporting cast, and our hero finishing the job with GUNS (!) before outrunning no less than five enemy interceptors and running out of fuel less than 40 km from base and having to ditch on a mountaintop. And the icing on the cake - one Su-27 pilot realizing that his career and or life may be over decides to defect and land his aircraft at the friendly while being escorted in by an F-22. 'Murica !
Someone call Tom Cruise, we have the script for Top Gun III ready to go !
(PS - It's obvious that Cap has never seen a Star Wars film, he missed all the Luke Skywalker references !)
I was going to comment but you said it better, so +1😂
Thankyou for the spoiler there RA.
@@gwhizz5878 fun fact, you can watch the video BEFORE reading the comments
don't forget 3 mins after landing the base is vaporized by tactical nukes
I was annoyed that no one made a womp rat reference.....
A great entertaining mission! As a person whom flies DCS and creates his own missions I am always amazed at how often AI do things that I never asked them to do. Watching the Su 27 land at an enemy field due to lack of fuel, I presume was awesome!
Fun fact: When Frank Whittle was inventing the jet engine, another engineer was simultaneously inventing their own jet engine in Germany, completely independently.
Same in Romania:). Funny how a lot of ppl invented it without knowing about each other
Coanda !
And they eventually exchanged notes.
convergent design
That was GREAT! The valley run showed how well you guys run together.
Fun, as always. When you guys were trying to stealth in and worrying about them noticing you from above, I kept wondering about all the little villages and towns you were flying over at such low altitude. I would think people would be calling in on their phones about all the noise, which would then alert the people from above to start searching for you.
There may be a huge delay though. Would the emergency services have a direct connection to the military? It would make sense if they did, but would they? And even if they did, they'd presumably need to investigate, or they'd require one of the people saying "it was an F22" to know that it's an immediate serious threat and not just some crank.
@@RyanHellyer - All good questions, and I'm certain none of them would be F22 experts, but they were flying for about 15 minutes, and if people keep calling emergency services, or something similar, as long as they're doing their job, it wouldn't that long for them to tell the military to start tracking the line the reports are coming from, especially if the President was flying in that area.
@@RyanHellyer If they life close to an airbase they'd have a direct line I think. My parents used to life quite close to an airbase in the 80's and they'd call to the base directly to report when any planes flew over the town too low/fast. Which apparently happened regularly enough for them to have the number ready to go.. Lol.
Something similar happened to me back on July 4th 2001. My neighbor across the street had a runway and airplane hangar in his backyard. He was out flying that day. Well apparently some idiot not too far from us in a county over in Florence, AL was flying an airplane underneath a bridge outside of a busy park. The military scrambled 2 F15 jets to intercept him. On the way to Florence they must have picked our neighbor up on radar and thought he may have been the culprit. The two fighters kept flying over our house and neighborhood. It was quite scary. They had to be close to stall speeds. They would fly right over the tree tops. They were so close that I could catch a glimpse of the pilots a couple of times. Needless to say, they buzzed my neighbor a couple of times. They scared the shit out of him so he landed. 5 minutes later a state trooper was in his driveway and questioning him. My neighbor was confused about the whole situation. He thought he had gotten too close to Brown's Ferry Nuclear Plant. To this day I wonder if they would have shot him down had he not landed.
VERY good point.
So... How much it could be different if you guys fly with external fuel tanks until you're about to be exposed to the enemies radars? I guess if you did all the first part of the flight with them, it could be enough to leave enough fuel to get home.
Real life F-22s and F-35s can jettison the entire pylon for that reason, no clue if that's represented in game though.
Dang good idea!
@@grimreapers A2A refuelling is functional for the F22 I believe, that could make a big difference.
If you set it up again I would have a tanker ready before and after, and I would have a friendly defense of F15s to keep the chasers off once you are back in friendly airspace.
@@grimreapers just station Jammers and tankers escorted by F15's on "routine exercises" near the border
If I remember correctly they have external fuel that's stealth coated and shaped differently from standard external tanks to help preserve the stealth
"Mos Eisley Spaceport. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious." - Ben Kenobi
I can't believe you missed the first Star Wars movie reference. (Beggar's Canyon).
Then he asked Simba if he had been to Mose Isley* not sure the spelling lol
i think he was just pulling everyone's leg:) Cap knows the reference, he hosted a whole server versus star destroyer, c'mon think about it:)
Cap made the best answer, and I laughed:)
@@angelarch5352 hey. I think you were right. It went right over my hairspray. 🤣
"Well I have been to Washington DC so..."
Defending against an attack on Air Force One was one of the bonus scenarios in Jane's USAF back in the 90s. You were a flight of F-15Es (I think, might have been Cs) on a refueling training mission that just happened to be nearby and caught completely unprepared. Drop tanks, turn and burn. :)
Makes me want to fire it up and record, but USAF absolutely will not install on Windows 10. Guess the XP box is coming out of mothballs.
Question that hit my head:
With such a small radar cross section, couldn't a type of drone decoy be developed that could match the speed and radar cross section of a stealth aircraft? In high risk situations where ground radar/SAMs are involved, I'd think they'd be a great countermeasure.
Can't see a reason why that couldn't be done. What you're describing sounds a lot like a stealth cruise missile so it would probably be worth putting a warhead on it so it can blow something up when you're done with it being a decoy.
You should look up the ADM-20 Quail, it’s a decoy drone that was intended to be launched from B-47 Stratojets and B-52 Stratofortresses to mimick their speed and radar cross section to make itself indistinguishable from a low-flying B-52 on Soviet radar systems. Launching multiple ADM-20s would coerce the Soviets into spreading their air defense systems thin (across multiple targets) with the hopes of increasing the odds of a real B-52 surviving.
It was removed from USAF inventory in 1978 as ground radar had improved, reducing the effectiveness of the Quail.
Other systems have also been developed to perform the same role, seems like most have been withdrawn by now.
There are probably drones by now that are capable of the mission they are doing with less cross section.
@@TheWoblinGoblin they developed missiles that were supposed to do the same thing as the ADM-20 and then drop down to kill a SAM or radar system, then they just made it a long range ground attack missile for the B-52
We have a 4th gen version: ADM-141 works amazingly in game.
The defecting Russian Pilot was my favorite part. He like i dont want to dire from firing squad.
lol
This was so entertaining to watch! Without really knowing how things would go and watching as the "story" pivoted when things went wrong to having a satisfying conclusion as well as a surprise ending.
This type of mission, at least for me, is much easier to both follow and enjoy vs the missions with dozens of POV. Would love to see more content like this.
Thanks!
When you talked about the possibilities of jet engines back in the early 30's it reminded me of a quote I heard today.
" If I asked the people what they wanted, they'd say a faster horse" and that was from Henry Ford.
Very unexpected mission ending guys. Great mission all around, aside from the almost FUBAR moment when Cap decided to see where the target was, but it's okay. This is a game after all, we don't expect perfect planning, but fun, yes. Love the low-level stuff. What you were saying Cap about the F111's etc, I saw an A10 once crest a hil upside down then roll out the right way. It was my first A10 sighting and for that manoeuvre. It was on a big exercise somewhere in the UK, I was on the ground.
What's great about this sim run is that you acknowledge that the F-22 is a really cool airplane, but it is not magic. It has limitations. It is a tool and it has good and bad ways to deploy that tool.
Now, get a f117 to pull up underneath it and transfer Kurt russel and Steven seagul in through the belly! Extra points if Halley berry is on board.
seagul 🤣🤣
With Steve'n'Seagulls providing the appropriate hillbilly sound track :)
@@Lord_Ralph ok seagal, thanks autocorrect, but I like the autocorrected version better
@@doemacmonkey Hell no, I approve of the mistale! The douche is a false master and a douche, so yeah, I kinda thought seagul was fitting 😆
and yes: he's a double douche 😣
"How 'bout you, Simba? Ever been to Mos Eisley?" "Nope"
Those references snuck right past Cap's and Simba's RADAR...
15:48: Probably not. Turbine blades had an atrocious lifespan back then. It was not until we got better metalurgical processes and could grow single crystal blades that they get really practical.
Wait... _grow!?_
@@nocount7517 Yes, grow.
th-cam.com/video/1zHSK-Nlaz0/w-d-xo.html
yeah confused as well
@@nocount7517 turbine blades were typically "grown" from a single grain of titanium(iirc). Multiple grains have boundaries that the blades will crack at. They have been able to 3d laser sinter them now though for 10-ish years.
Whoops, meant to say: yes grown as in like ice crystals forming or silicon for computer chips, the link is to a good article about it
While you were flying through the canyons, I half expected Clint Eastwood to show up in the Firefox.
shoot over us at mach 5.
You hit the brakes and he flew right by
Well that mission got really exciting really fast. Well done gentlemen!
Is that you starscream?
@@lordemarsh6804 no. I believe he goes by Starscream here .
This was the most daring and successful mission. Radio silence is a absolute neccity flying stealth. It would be interesting if it was Airforce one. What type of defensive measures are available.
That was some beautiful flying and a lot of tense fun. Thanks for the book recommendation, I'll look into it when I get back from the Antarctic with Shackleton ("Endurance" by A. Lansing)
Thanks!
Thanks Charles
Fun mission, except 1 point - you shot transport Il-76 which doesn't have any counter measures except IR flares. I believe that Air 1 has all possible anti radar features that are available at that country. ;)
A full on modern Russia vs NATO war-game series would be awesome
I agree. In my opinion it would also be pretty entertaining seeing the Russians obliterate NATO.
rgr
It would be cool to try it at different periods of time as well such as early Cold War, then maybe Vietnam-era, and a Red Storm Rising type fight in the early or mid-80s.
Another thing about the jet engine is that they're ludicrously inefficient at low speeds especially. When the tech first started to come together to build jet engines, all-metal airframes were in their infancy and planes weren't capable of flying fast enough to make any real use of them. By the time planes were able to reach those speeds, a lack of previous funding of research into efficient compressors kept them from being broadly adopted for several years. They weren't funded earlier because it was trivial to sit down with a pencil and paper and "prove" jets would never make sense because of thermal limits of turbines and flight speeds.
Let’s take a moment to appreciate the beggar’s canyon Star Wars reference
One of the best videos you've done!
Fantastic guys. One of your best, right up there with the SR-71 intercepts.
i found you guys yesterday, and its just soo much fun! i have learned so much, i cant get enough of you!
I think the F22, being kept classified, can take down anything. The pilots aren’t even allowed to use most of their stealth capabilities in the field (unless strictly authorized). This really is still a top notch aircraft that is still very under wraps… even the bloody cockpit is still classified!
man, if something classified, this doesn't mean it superior to everything. f-22 still 20-year old
I've been binge watching ur vids since 3 weeks ago a ton, and this one is my favorite by FAR. 'Real' life scenario w/ adapting circumstances
cool
Regarding the stealth capability of the B-2 vs F-22... I remember hearing or reading that a B-2 has a much smaller radar cross section than a F-22 due to the fact that the B-2 has no vertical stabilizers, and something about how the exhaust is vented in a way that cools it better/faster.
I kind of want to see you guys run the scenario again (and hopefully all make it back). Then to spice things up, add some humans flying the Russian side of things.
But the Russian side pilots would know they were coming so it wouldn’t be a surprise attack technically
Lol!! The Star Wars reference was nice.
Thx for sharing!
Fun scenario, but wonder how long it would take before the nukes would be flying after an incident like that?.
They probably already tripped the Dead Hand system while the SU pilot was landing.
considering recent events, I think some higher ups in Russia would be using this as an opportunity to take upver and to blame everything on Putin and gracefully withdraw from Ukraine without losing too much face. The Su pilot defecting at the end was hilarious.
so fun ya! Maybe try the same thing with the best non-stealth planes, to see if it's possible? F-16s? F-18's? Go back in time... F-14's?
I really want to see this with a Eurofighter once that comes out! (official one, not a mod)
Yup. This was such a great concept (hitting a flying high value target in a high threat environment) you SHOULD try other airframes to see if it is doable. Win conditions, EVERYONE gets home.
Could try but 100% ganrantee would be intercepted before we get into Russia.
@@grimreapers what if you had 1 F-22 and 2 F-35s for ground attacks against radars and Sams, while also using the linked radar to assist the other aircraft and also fight off the fighter jets as the F-22 intercepts
Visual spotters might have informed the HQ as soon as you entered the Russian airspace. The Caucasus might be huge but it's not empty, the Russian-Georgian border is heavily guarded and the weather conditions were superb.
Yeah thats the reason why a Germán citizen landing his plane on the red square of Moscow in all the cool world. Really George? i dont know Someone to call The Army If a plain fly above its house.
@@VITOLLFOTOGRAFIA That was a small Cessna-like civilian plane, these were F22 jets with US insignia. Should I elaborate any further the difference between the two cases?
@@gaborbravo1 I insist, I have never heard, that people call the police (obviously not the army) because a plane, military or not, flies over their houses. Unless it breaks the sound barrier.
@@VITOLLFOTOGRAFIA I mentioned visual spotters and heavily guarded borders between Russia and Georgia = not civilians but military personell. I was hiking around that area (Kazbegi) back in 2017 when I climbed Mount Kazbek, that just happen to be right on the Russian/Georgian border and I have to pass many military checkpoints with passport inspections. Those checkpoints are there for a reason - to notify anything suspicious to the HQ. The Russian side of the border has to be guarded at least as heavily. Low flying US jets just cannot pass unnoticed through that border.
@@VITOLLFOTOGRAFIA Becasue it was a small fart of a plane and no danger. They saw it, that thing is just so incredible small and weak, that it can't even have much on board, becaue it would not have the range anymore.
29:46 Good to know. Now all F22 pilots will know not to crash land on terrain, or else the aircraft will completely blow up. LOL
Canyon running in a F-22 with the boys
Perfect timing Cap, i just got my sim running and really need to know the outcome of theoretical war.
This was amazing. Please do more missions like this please.
I love the dancing with the F-22's. Such a badass plane! I would love to see more of these videos!
OK, this was a pretty damn cool one! Would be interested to see more like this with different stealth aircraft.
"It's just like Beggar's Canyon back home" is a nice Star Wars nod
I wonder about using some of the jets with a lower rcs in a bvr engagement. How sneaky you could be might change the fight if you want to be a wiener.
Will try
Did you see this?
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Just started watching these amd that was actually pretty cool that ending escorting the su in 😂😂 brilliant
I literally sat on the edge of my seat watching this. Congrats on a successful mission.
It was thrilling.
ive been watching you guys on here for a few months going through your back catalogue and i put this challenge on while i was having breakfast today. It was so good, realy exciting. I just wanted to say amazing, edge of the seat entertaiment thankyou!
cool
While you three were flying over the Villages over Russian territory, the Military Observers posted in such villages to spot this very terrain hugging enemy flying would be relayed directly to command through powerful military comms channels to the command. They would definitely do that to counter any terrain hugging deep strike Stretegy even if it is in suicide mode to strike high value targets. In real life I mean. In DCS this is lots n lots of fun 😀✌🏻❤️ and the AI defector Flanker was the Cherry on Top 😝😝😝 good one guys ✌🏻😀
Not only that, but long range artilery whoud make a barage screen in the gorges. Not as efective as against helis but not a trivial obstical
Fun fact: in F-22 TAW; there is a mission where you are armed with only guns and you have to use altitude to defeat the enemy climbing high to evade and diving down to get them
That star wars reference went over caps head..:😆
lol yup
Would’ve loved to see effective time on target where you guys don’t have to expose yourselves the way you were forced to since you clearly hadn’t been seen until then, but that was some wild flying and topped off with the A.I. pilot defector haha
I hate it when the Grim Reapers (and especially Cap) have to expose themselves....
Imagine being that Russian CAP and just suddenly spotting a 3-ship of F22s right in your face.
Flying through the valley…. Just wicked
It's like being at the Mach Loop.
Now this is pod racing!
This one immediately made me think of the mission to shoot down Yamamoto.
Mos Eisley... my stepfather always said he used to get drunk in that cantina. Really, Mos Eisley seems like a thinly disguised version of Truth or Consequences, NM. I've always liked that town.
What a video by cap,really love this!But i wish u make it more challenging with su-57 and su-30/35 added
agree
Or those after AIr Force 1
Damp mentioned the beauty of flying through the canyons of Georgia with other planes, and it reminded me I didn't send you my footage of we Su-27s following him to the fight against the evil, northerner BluFor today. It wasn't as action packed as this, but it was super fun.
Live and learn I guess.
That is my favorite pvp play style. I'm glad I got to fly with you yesterday
I would love to see various sims using fictional aircraft: the Firefox MiG, any of the Dreamland planes from Dale Brown's books like the EB-52 Megafortress, the crank-arrow F-16XL from the Wingman book series, GIJOE and Cobra airframes, F/A-37 Talon from 'Stealth', and any of the airframes from the Thunderbirds Are Go tv show.
Buddy, all of those are wayyyy off the charts on power level, a single b-52 dominating ? Uhhhh how about nope
We back to iron eagle now? 2 f-16s dominating a entire country?
Some of those aircraft wouldn't really fly, it would be hard to model their characteristics
@@dreadlordken3824 Well, the crank arrow F-16XL flew. Two of them actually.
Thought I was the only person read the Wingman series....... Football City!!!
That ending alone is worth a Sub. Great work lol
This reminds me of Project: Stealth Fighter on the Commodore 64, or, F-19 Stealth Fighter on the Amiga. It was available on other platforms. BUT the premise of sneaking into enemy airspace and jumping a priority target by popping up with a friendly AMRAAM hello was great fun. Completely fictional but great fun... especially ducking down, slowing down, and letting the pursuing half of the Russian air force blunder over you searching.
The sharp turns would have increased your radar cross section and that was something I tried to avoid.
Amiga....that's a name I've not heard in a long...time. Sorry...it was the Star Wars references in the video 😉 No doubt you'd remember Matt Shaw's Figher Ace? Nah, you're into jets 🙁
@@BlueBaron3339 I don't remember that one, but I do have very fond memories of Wings...
The defector at the end was hilarious!
I genuinely thing stealth will be obsolete by the end of the 2020's. The advancements in radar power is too big to avoid simply by making a plan "more stealthy". Like how would you do that? How much smaller than 0.1mRCS can you go? Unless your plane gets physically smaller...there's not much you can do other than to improve stealth coatings and materials.
I mean you can still get much closer before being detected, and even if in the future a stealth plane is detected at 50 miles (as opposed to 500 for a non stealth), simply having a weapon with more than 50 miles of range will mean you can still shoot from stealth. Things like the meteor missile, or the upcoming aim-260, can take advantage of this with their longer range.
@@Sir_Budginton While yes its basically always better it really just comes down to whether the benefits justify the massive cost. In that sense I agree with the OP that "stealth" planes really are overhyped. No plane is stealth its low observable, and is more of a "win more" situation. Even going by their video (which is very biased and I dont know how they could fail), you see that as soon as they actually come into view of the radars (with enough power to detect, ie the SAM and airborne ones) they are instantly seen.
paused at 14:28 to say good lord this is so so cool. Reminds me of the intro to Janes Fighters Anthology where a c17 is being excorted by x32s and they get ambushed by migs. So cool.
Try using externals for the first part of the mission and dumping them as you exit the mountains. Might help w/ the fuel. great ambush video.
rgr
I enjoy watching you do missions like these. Please keep doing this. Its like watching a movie
Why dont Su-35s have L-Band radar modeled on to them? With that they could spot F-22 at far longer range than 10 miles. That is severely handicapping Russians. And why do Su-35s have to use their own radars when they can pair up with S-300/400 radar and use it for detecting, tracking and targeting.
If you'd actually watched the video you'd know there were no Su-35s in it...
One of the best GR videos i've ever seen!
Yay! More DCS insanity! :)
Beggar's Canyon is just outside of Mos Eisley. There is a great bar there. I went there once and they had a cool band playing. But then A fight broke out and a few minutes later, somebody got shot.
This aged well
This is one of my favorite GR videos.
Wow! Such a cool, fun scenario. I makes me tumescent to think about Putin's bald head merging with a Caucasus mountain side.
Would love to see you try the exact same thing in a 15 or 16! One of the best videos yet!
I think that such games should be made into a real wargame with remote-controlled equipment, in the likeness of "Ender's Game" - please look it up.
One of the best missions I've watched, especially with the low level flying. Great!
14:25 The early Aardvarks had a problem/characteristic that a sudden dive caused the engines to stall. So, so to hop over a saddle, it was necessary to turn upside down. That might be where the technique originated.
It also has to do with the fact that pulling nose down causes negative g, which is not only more uncomfortable for the pilot, but has a big risk of damaging stores and ordinance, as well as the aircraft.
I would think it's earlier than that. Rolls Royce Merlins cut out with negative g. It's why they usually roll into a dive.
That was a cool mission. Only thing I wonder about is if SuperCap actually messed up the timing on the infil or if he did it on purpose without telling his wingmen for a more entertaining video.
I'm thinking that flying ~300M above homes in a Raptor towards the Russian border MIGHT affect the surprise party a little LOL
Felt like I needed to smoke a cigarette after that experience! Awesome video!
lol was it good for you? :)
How many F-22's would it take to overwhelm the Russian QRF and complete the same mission?
Lol, you honestly think if we were to "overwhelm" them that they don't have the ability to retaliate in some way ? I know if someone came in my country and started sh%^&** I would retaliate in a huge way by obliterating your bases no matter hiw far they are and hit you with a thousand hypersonic unstoppable missiles. As an American I think these " fantasy" scenarios are fun to watch but hope we never become stupid enough to even attempt this against their hear of state or even as far as provoke the Russians. Sorry but these Russians are no joke and they're not farmers with pitch fork and can retaliate in a mega scale and retaliate in a mega way. And trust me when I tell you that the Russians are either close to either having way to break our stealth technology or close to it. Once that happens and with their superior advanced technology our raptors woild be wiped away like playing Nintendo's duck hunt
@@giopruneda7266 it’s a game. It’s also a very unrealistic situation. My question was only going to have them revisit this scenario in a different way. You can edit your comment and take ALL the ignorance right out of it. Thanks bud 👍🏻
@@giopruneda7266 also I’m going to need you to Google the SU-57 Felon. And before you say anything else about this there are radars that are very capable of detecting stealth aircraft. Those radar domes are placed on both mountain peaks and on top of their Navy ships. We have better versions of them on our Navy. Plus no world power has the assets necessary to attack American forces gathered and ready to fire. First it would be an act of war. Second it would have been detected and dealt with diplomatically prior to the first shot being fired. Next time before you let your little SJW fingers go off on a rant make sure you: know what you’re talking about, and ranting to the right person about the right topic.
your playing with fire with this video, am surprised you tube has let it stay on
Yeh having a few problems with it...
Could you use the F 22 in a cold war time travel scenario?
Doing that tomorrow :)
I really want some more followup on the AI defector because like... that has to be one of the most interesting things I've ever seen from DCS. Like not only a fun narrative, but like maybe even looking at the code or what might have caused that 😂
*The KGB has entered the chat
Hi KGB, me again!
That would be the SVR now. ;)
+GrimReapersAtomic *Russian D-band air-surveillance radars can detect most aircraft in line of sight,* but the Lockheed Marin F-22 can only be locked up by J-band and shorter-wavelength targeting radars within visual range - close enough for the Raytheon (USA) AIM-9 and the Vympel (RUS) R-60, R-73, and R-74, not to mention 20x102mm and 30x165mm AP-HEI.
Is anyone else like me and just basically skip to the fighting parts?? Lol
Guilty as charged :-) Git sum.
ya boom boom
I don't know how you guys make any sense of the battles without briefing?
Stealth Archer really IS the best way to play Skyrim.
They did well considering they were Su-27's. If there were Su-30SM, Su-35's or even Su-57's up, we would've seen a real big mess.
"It's just like Beggar's Canyon back home"
That gave me goosebumps!!
Now do it with a sesna 172 and land in red square, oh wait thats been done.
lol
Man, everytime I watch these it brings me back to when I was a kid. I was a US Army brat in cold war Germany... Stuttgart to be exact. At the time I was one of maybe 10 kids on base and everyone bought me toys, played with me, offered to babysit, I grew up with amazing men and women. I still have a sled that this huge black dude named Thomas used to drag me all around the Black Forest on. I loved it. Desperately miss that time. I know it was very bad for a lot of people but they shielded me from it. They were all like family to me. And as my dad often does found a beautiful home off base that everyone envied and couldn't figure out how he found it. So lots of parties, SGTs sleeping over, his friends sleeping over. My mom was very close with the other few Stuttgart based wives and some West German women. When I was two apparently I did a dance on the tables at Oktoberfest that thrilled the locals because I was copying them. "Dad ist yer Kinder?!" alot that day. When we moved to America my sister passed away on the way to my uncle's funeral. Though time as my mom was pregnant and malpractice killed my sister Rebecca. When we settled with the hospital we bought a home near Fort Vancouver where family was and the Army graciously stationed my father and gave him a driving job for a Colonel. Where our house was the F-4 Phantoms and F-15's used to buzz by at mach 1 atleast until it became illegal. After my father's discharge we used to just go and watch the F-15's while he was still in the reserves. Really miss that. I couldn't fly because of my autoimmune disease and it always bums me out. God Bless all who serve and have.
Now do this irl and get rid of Putin plz. thanks
That sonic boom the planes make is just oh god that sounds good