Anyone that says they alone were Pink Floyd is delusional. All 4 members contributed their piece and removing any one of them would change the sound so greatly that it would no longer be recognizable. That would be like Paul saying that he was the Beatles and could have created Sgt Pepper alone. Anyone with an ounce of common sense knows that is just plain nonsense.
Same thing if Eddie Van Halen saying his guitar playing is all that matters in his band. No Eddie, you need a singer, drummer and bass player too. You're one of the great guitarists of all time but Alex, Michael Anthony, David, Sammy and Gary to an extent all contributed to your success too
Love your comment on Floyd and comparing them to the Beatles. I'm a huge fan of both bands. It definitely took all 4 members to achieve their overwhelming success. Besides, as the old saying goes, there's no ' I ' in the word team.
Actually during the early classic years of Pink Floyd- 1967- 1972 ,the trippy keyboard soundscapes created by Richard Wright really personified the Pink Floyd sound.
Perhaps I'm weird but if I were in either of their shoes: rich, celebrated rock stars with a mountain of laurels to rest on, I would spend my twilight years enjoying life and reflecting on an amazing career in peace and luxury. Not quibbling like lunatics and getting tangled up in legal battles and needless drama.
My sentiments exactly . All down to inflated ego's , boredom and too much money . Removes them from ordinary everyday life and gives them an over the top opinion of themselves . Pathetic really . At the end of the day it,s only music no matter how good it is .
It's because Roger is a sociopath. Nick and David moved on, and are comfortable where they're at in life. Nick embraced retirement the moment Roger left by racing cars, and appreciates any gigs he gets. David started flying planes and drops an LP every few years and tours if he feels like it. They have actual lives. Roger? Roger goes around trying to show everybody how smart he is. Roger is so unstable and insecure he has to prove something not to the world, but himself.
David Gilmour was doing that and graciously ignoring Roger's provocations - appreciated by many. David's wife evidently more political with a complex family background. Which is fine but her tweet's political objections coupled with personal insults .Defamation law less tolerant of malice. I would be surprised if David saw it before sent. Roger thrives on controversy and combat but this will be hard for David even if this too settled out court.
The guy in Pink Floyd with the least musicality is going to re-record an album soaked to the gills in musicality? I can't wait for this utter trainwreck.
At this point all one can do is play "Wish You Were Here", then play "Comfortably Numb", and reflect that Gilmour and Waters really needed each other to do their best work.
@@AJTate-bs6li I was just about to bring up Dogs. Animals in general is criminally underrated. And imo the solo at the end of Pigs is Gilmour’s best solo.
Is she similar in attitude to Neal Schons wife being an attention seeker chasing rich men? Many pointed out Neal's wife is a gold digger and that lead to tons of ridiculous scenarios including a pay per view wedding
Have you heard his new version on "Comfortably Numb?" No guitar solo, drab and dull. I think that's what we can expect from his remake if Dark Side. I won't be buying it. His music is dark and depressing. Contrast that with Gilmour's music, bright and uplifting.
Yes, Yes, Yes. "Division Bell" is a very good album. It blows away "The Final Cut" which to me is unlistenable. That album showed me that Roger being totally in control was not such a good idea.
You must be deaf...The Division Bell should even carry the Pink Floyd name. The lyrics are a joke, and an unfunny one at that. Without Roger, it's Fake Floyd.
It doesn't matter that often times it was Roger who brought the material to the band. The fact is that, the four guys brought their talents to the songs' development which is why they sounded like Pink Floyd and became great. Roger also brought his songs to his solo works but now without the input of the other three. Hence, his solo works have never been anywhere near as good as the Pink Floyd finished products. And the same is also true for the Pink Floyd albums without Roger but to a lesser degree, as there were still three members contributing their input to those albums. The simple truth is all four are needed to have the right chemistry. If you bake a cake requiring four ingredients, but you only use three or one, well, it will never quite come out the same or taste as good. Some things are only great when the sum of all parts are there.
@@normt6226 none of it is bad. Maybe not your favourite music but millions and millions of albums sold and new generations still buying there albums tells u that your statement is not factual but indeed nonsense. 🐷
@@Gavaldo You're right, i didn't mean bad...i meant not as good as the real golden era Pink Floyd...And Waters solo is just as good as the Gilmour era Pink Floyd...in no way worst...
As far as I’m concerned, David Gilmour is Pink Floyd. I don’t sit around listening to the lyrics. Pink Floyd is all about the lead guitar. No one does it better then Gilmour! Waters plays bass. enough said.
There’s no rewriting DSOTM, it’s flawless. I don’t care if Roger thinks it’s his album, Roger didn’t play the guitar on Time, or the keys on US/Them, he’s a mad genius
@@chickenhappy3607 He did not write 'Any colour you like either' and may be not 'On the run'. He just wrote lyrics not Music. If you go back through all of the Floyd Albums and read the credits, there are credits to more than one member of the band on many of the tracks.
@@HEADLINEZOO bullshit..if you look at most of the writing credits on their 2 biggest albums DSOTM and The Wall you will see only one name Roger Waters
I must say Gilmour's take on events politically are terrible, the simping to his insane wife is disgusting. The separation and disputes between Gilmour and Waters is a bummer.
Dark side is A classic! Smoked A lot of that cheep Mexican weed and the occasional purple micro dot driving around with Dark side on the eighth track in 1972
The DSOTM record wasn't released until 1973. Maybe you imagined the whole record before we had heard any of it. I heard Music by Beethoven while on acid. Music he had not composed yet !! ;-P
I remember Mr. Waters in an interview at the time of his exit from the band. The interviewer asked him why he left the band. I'm paraphrasing his words here from an almost 40 year old memory but you just can't forget it when a man says "One day I realized that when fans were coming to a Pink Floyd concert, they didn't know they were really just coming to see me." He even went so far as to criticize them later for having non-band members performing on the albums (Clare Torry Roger?) I have never liked him since. Gilmour/Wright/Mason carried on just fine without him.
@@colourfaze86 I don't think so. One can sense in the music of those albums, specially Momentary, the enormous effort to come up with enough usable songs. Two single new music albums and two double live albums... What's kind of ironic for me is that Division is an album that reflects on comunication and the lack of it and Waters and is next album of original songs, «The Bar» among them, reflects about the same thing. Meanwhile, the comunication between Rogers and Gilmour.... well, need I say more?
There are 3 songs out of 10 on the album where Roger solely has the writing credits to himself. Even on those 3 songs the other band members contributed greatly to help shape the song into something listenable, such as Money for example. It boggles my mind Roger thinks he did everything by himself
@@duff0120 David had the melody and chord progression of the chorus completed during those sessions. Roger wrote the lyrics and possibly the chord progression to the verse. Another example of their best work is when they work together. Wouldn’t be surprised when Roger’s memoir comes out that he states he told David every note to play for the solos on Comfortably Numb
All true but it was the rest of the band who where happy to let Rodger be the main writer as he had to when Syd had his Psychotic episode. No one else even tried to be a writer so Rodger realised I will have to take on the responsibility and the rest of the band admit they where happy for that to happen but after the success of dark side of the moon and echoes the other band members started to want more input but Rodger by then had this huge ego and responsibility to be the main man who had been put into that position by losing the talents of Syd. Remember it was Syd who started the band with Rodger and then they invited Nick and then Richard to get involved and only because of Syd having a complete psychotic breakdown Dave got involved it was either step up or sink or swim which Rodger whom had never wrote a song suddenly became the man the whole band relied upon.which evidence shows with dark side of the moon which was mainly his idea then with wish you where here the same, obviously the wall was Rodger’s baby and I know it’s wrong to believe you’re the only person that matters evidence shows that he was correct to do what he had to do not through choice but through tragedy. There’s way to much placed on it all being Rodger’s issues but the whole band where against him & could u imagine what that must have been like so no wonder he wrote alone as there wasn’t the production coming from the other guy’s that where good enough to actually add there songs onto an album which Rodger believed where not good enough to be included. That’s where it all began to fall apart.
I don't know. As prickly as Roger's demeanor is. He never resorted to name calling. Pollys statement was scathing and while not necessarily untrue, it should've been on a less public forum. I agree with you on Division Bell. But that was more due to them getting together and writing through open jamming. Wright's thumbprint hasn't been as present since Obscured by Clouds. That leaves me to my next point. Gilmour was right to not carry on the Floyd after his passing. Then he walks that back to release Hey Hey Rise Up under the Pink Floyd moniker. And he justifies it by taking sides in a conflict that is anything but transparent. As for Roger rerecording Dark Side for the 50th, well thats just Roger being Roger and it sure as hell beats repackaging what most fans have owned 5 times over and charging 300 dollars for it.... which is precisely what the other camp did. I think you failed to look at the big picture here. Otherwise..... great video.
And f*ing Rick Wright taught Roger how to play bass and read music. Part of the magic of DSOTM is the _stars aligned_ and the universe smiled. There was no hate or envy in their hearts. You can hear it everywhere, a total band effort. We've all heard/seen the live pre-album concerts. But when they went in to record - there just happened to be a set of roto-toms in the studio? Clare Torry turned a nice piano piece into a masterpiece? Speed up the last seconds of piano note to fit on LP? Anybody walking through studio door asked a question (and recorded)? "The Violent Sequence" goes from a 2 minute piano bridge into "Us And Them"? Pure and utter magic. Roger was the architect, but it took others to build and turn it into a thing of beauty and a _home._
I have to agree, for my favorite song off the album, "The Great Gig in the Sky", with Torry's vocals and Wright's keyboards, had absolutely nothing to do with Roger Waters. But fact of the matter is, they were an amazing "group". A team effort on all accounts. I can't imagine DSOTM being anywhere near what it is, without even one of the three other members. Roger's ego needs to maybe drop down a couple hundred notches.
The first thing I thought when you said Roger Waters wanted to re-record the Dark Side of the Moon album was, why? I agree it is a nearly perfect album. The first hundred times listening to it with headphones, I would would say perfect. The 4 members of Pink Floyd were essential for that and many more albums. You don’t mess with success. Roger Waters voice is okay on the songs he sings, but you can’t replace David Gilmour on guitar and vocals. Especially when adding in Rick Wrights keyboards and vocal harmonies. I won’t be purchasing it.
Right on, Michael! DSotM is a masterpiece. Roger Waters will be in for a big surprise when his version is barely recognized. I don’t care who you are. John Lennon once stated he wanted to re-record his Beatles songs. McCartney did re-record a few of his Beatles songs. They were not anywhere near or close to being better or improved upon. It’s not the individual who made these songs great. It was each band member’s contribution which created the songs’ and albums’ greatness. Oh, and Waters needs to stay far away from politics.
I'm so surprised nobody is talking about Nick Mason's Saucerful of Secrets Echoes Tour. I went to see Roger Waters This is Not a Drill tour and I think it was very awesome. I'm 16 so I just ignored the politics and enjoyed the fact that I saw a used to be Pink Floyd member. However Nick Mason's tour makes Roger Waters tour look like Nothing. I felt like I actually went back in time to see pink floyd play before they made the dark side of the moon.
Roger pulled out of PF back in the day because, as I recall, he felt the band was then done and had become irrelevant. Gilmour, Mason and Wright clearly felt otherwise and a court rejected Roger's attempt to stop the remaining three guys touring and recording under the PF banner. I saw PF both in pre DSOTM days and on the band's last world tour in 1988 and have seen Roger three times on his own DSOTM, Wall and another big tour he did a few years ago. All great shows but, for me, those two PF shows can't be beat!
It was settled out of court. The court did not have to make a ruling. All parties agreed on a resolution. It went to court but was settled out of court
Looking back now, Roger was right. The 2 albums made after he left were atrocious. Done for no other reason than the money. Sure, the music itself is fine but the lyrics are embarrassing. The idea of Polly Samson writing lyrics for a "Pink Floyd" record is laughable...without Roger Waters, it's simply Fake Floyd. It's one thing for David Gilmour to criticize Roger, but Polly Samson should just stay out of it.
You've just made my day ! and you've just messed up my computer too after your comment re "Svinctor" i spat my "English cup of tea" all over my laptop from bursting out laughing.. not seen you before but ive defo just subscribed. Great presentation and comical with it.. looking forward to more.. Rock n Roll from a Brit living in Greece 🤣
I am going to say it. Water's was the main writer, and DSOTM is his lyrically. But it was a team effort to build the musical side of it. Gilmore was added to the band during Syd's decline. But Gilmore's guitar work is what really brought the band full circle. So that really created the power struggle in the band. So 3 of their albums are so iconic, neither side is willing to let go of them. Because of this. It is really going to spoil the fruits of their labor. Water's took a hard left into leftfield somewhere along the way, while Gilmore has always kept his political beliefs close to his self. Rock music has always been partly politically charged in one way or another. I just think that many of us are just tired of hearing about it, and want it all to go away.
Yes but it's genius was in the lyrics. They made greatly composed music, not necessarily complex music. Oh and gilmours amazing guy that work. But wright and mason in comparison to people like Collins and banks in Genesis pale in comparison. Waters and Gilmour made Pink Floyd. And waters was the one who conceptualized all of the albums. Everything after the wall was pure garbage as they needed each other and waters is a prick, but dude was the brain behind Pink floyd
@@laughingchimp3468 post waters isn’t bad but nothing is ever going to touch Meddle, DSOTM, Animals, wish you were here, Wall era, and I mean shit dude who would expect anything to do so that is a very long time to be dominant as a musician and lyricist and that’s not even all of their hit albums. However, the division bell, momentary lapse of reason, hell even the endless river are all great albums that are a good listen (less so for the endless river but louder than words is an absolute banger.) maybe my ears are tuned differently but they just can’t not like a Floyd song lol. If you haven’t heard the pulse live performance (2019 remix) album you are missing out on a lot of GOLD my friend.
Lot’s of people think famous bands comprise life long best buddies but the truth is many are nothing more than work colleagues and often the type of colleague who you try and avoid at the water cooler!
They should all stop the social media wars. It makes everyone look bad. David is usually above social media attacks, but I guess he needed to support Polly. Fell kind of right into Roger's trap. He loves attacks, but doesn't like receiving them.
Personally I love a momentary lapse of reason and Division Bell, have both albums along with Dark side of the moon original copy, Pink Floyd has left us with great memories and great music, Roger Waters w/ Pink Floyd was great, without, Not so much.
Roger Waters speech at the UN was fantastic and historically factual. Waters is well read. You would know this if you happened to be. Suggesting he just watches media for his knowledge is sophomoric and only describes you not him.
I thought it odd that Polly Samson would publish a tirade like that, and wondered what provoked it. When I read that Waters had announced he'd secretly re-recorded DSotM, I understood why. The way he dismissed Gilmour, Mason and Wright in that Telegraph article, laying sole claim to the album, was beyond disingenuous.
are you ignoring how gilmour ignored wright and mason when he initially put out AMLOR, he even admitted it and that is why he had to do a remix many years later with wright and mason on it
@kevin ohara - that's not true at all. David and Nick decided together to continue on, but during the recording process Nick himself didn't feel as driven as he needed to be and had to get back into it at a slower rate. Same with Rick. It was out of necessity that David had others fill in and play on the record while Nick and Rick got their heads together. That, along with the 80s production is why they weren't complete happy with the record and decided to re-record/remix it the way it was always intended to sound. Gilmour never ignored or went behind anyone's back to put together AMLOR. The more you know.
@@kevinohara2618 As I understand it, Rick Wright was advised not to rejoin the band for legal reasons, while AMLOR was being recorded. And while neither Mason nor Wright were not major contributors to the album, they were part of it - so what you're saying just isn't correct at all.
@@ianfortier6796 they did have very minimal work on the original version, just repeating what gilmour said in an interview, whether what he said was true or not you would have to ask him, i am inclined to believe him in this instance in what he said
@kevin ohara I don't disagree about the minimal contributions, in fact I clearly stated as to why those contributions were minimal, just as a few others have. Your claims about David ignoring Rick and Nick during the whole process and trying to compare it Roger's antics is what I said was wholly untrue. In fact, someone else said that Rick was advised by the band's lawyers to be careful with his involvement for legal reasons since Roger strong-armed him out is 100% correct and something I had forgotten about.
Gilmour and Wright were the PF sound. Since Gilmour had to help Waters play bass, safe to say Waters was, at best, mediocre bass player. Waters is an egomaniac! Waters would have been nothing without the other 3. Waters wrote some words. Sorry Waters, your remake of DSOTM is the one album I will not buy.
Almost makes you wonder that if Waters never split with the other Floyd boys , that the Pink Floyd albums would have turned more and more to shit. Even with Gilmour.
No recordings after the wall by any of the band members were as good as the wall and before it. That shows how difficult it is to create amazing music from scratch. Most atrists get their good stuff out young and then that's about it. They can then just perform shows for the rest of their life. Whatever political you choose Gilmour or Waters or whatever
He was literally the highest grossing musician from tours second only to Dr. Dre “Dre beats” like a couple of years ago. He’s doing better than you realize.
Waters attempting to re-create DSOTM and removing all input from the other members sounds like musical suicide to me. He wasn't the only band member who contributed to that album. One song was written by Wright and another one was co-written with Waters. Gilmour's fluid guitar work and Wright's atmospheric keyboards added much to the overall sound/atmosphere. So did the sound effects added by Mason and Alan Parsons. Leaving out their input on a future re-recording will surely be a letdown to most PF fans.
The best cover version of DSOTM I've heard is Dub Side of The Moon by Easy Stars All Stars. DSOTM in reggae dub style. It's original, witty and it's pretty good. Granted if you don't like reggae dub then it won't be for you. But if you're curious give it a listen.
Eh, not a big Roger Waters fan, I have seen both incarnations of PF and David Gilmour solo ( with Richard Wright ) and was perfectly content with the Waterless version. As far as re-recording DSOTM, you shouldn't mess with it. Kind of like you shouldn't remake movie's like the Wizard of Oz, or Mr. Smith goes to Washington, the originals are untouchable.🤠
I absolutely agree with you when it comes to Division Bell and A Momentary Lapse being far better than any of Roger's solo efforts, that being said, Amused to Death was really damn good. I disagree about entertainers keeping their mouth shut when it comes to politics, we have opinions too. I am a musician myself, studying political science at Texas state University. The constitution says we are entitled to our opinions.
You hit the nail on the head regarding Waters. Brilliant musician and songwriter. He has every right to his opinion about politics, and the right to express it, but I don't care two cents what it is.
I agree with nearly all of your take and opinion on this matter yet you said he is getting ALL his info from the Far Left or "The Atlantic and Washington Post" yet a lot of the policies that Roger espoused during his speech to the U.N. come straight from the mouths of the Far Right, or "Putin Apologists"....Where ever life finds you I hope it finds you and those that you love safe and well....
David and Roger are both extraordinary men. They chose different paths in life. Roger was and remains a political activist. David chose a life of family, friends and happiness. We all have our callings in life. I'd much rather live a life like David.
The Division Bell was missing Waters' gritty input which made it too syrupy-sweet. All of Waters' solo works were missing Gilmour's sonic guitar and Wright's foundational backdrop. This is what happens when one member thinks they represent the entire band.
@@johnrambo6265 Roger Waters hates war and makes money out of hating war( sic ) . If there was no war to hate he would have much less to say and have very little subject matter to write lyrics about.
I saw Waters back in October on his This Is Not a Drill tour, it was an absolutely amazing show and I’m so glad I got to go. That said, it was not Pink Floyd, and having watched PULSE, Delicate Sound of Thunder, etc, I still wish I could go back in time and see Floyd even after Waters left. I love post-Waters Floyd as much as I loved Dark Side, Wish and The Wall. They’re one of those few bands where each member were vital to creating the whole. The level of pettiness that they are at now is shameful and sad to see quite frankly. It’s too bad because if they would reunite for a final farewell tour even without Wright, it would likely have gone down in history as one of the biggest tours ever
A note... sometimes around 1978 PF were broke due investing into scam financial fund. Waters came with the Wall demos. Others didn't like it but could present nothing... almost. Waters returned PF back to the match. PS: I appreciate "Comfortably Numb" version on Lockdown Sessions, highly likely stripped of David's input.
Anyone who has read Nicholas Schaffner's book on Pink Floyd knows how much Waters changed after Wish You Were Here. It was virtually impossible to argue with him. He took any objections to the formation and functioning of the band as a radical attack on himself. And it just got worse and worse. By the time The Wall was recorded, the band was practically split. Waters was the self-appointed leader of the band and made all the decisions, mostly without the knowledge of the others. He fired Wright. The atmosphere was desperate. After the last album, The Final Cut (which I consider more of a Waters solo album), he was the one who left the band. He thought that without him, everyone would fall apart and the band would die. What a surprise it was when Mason and Gilmour said the band would continue without Waters. He didn't react at first, saying it wouldn't last long and that he thought it was just an experiment. However, when he saw that the band was successful without him and he couldn't even fill a small concert hall with his projects, he sued the others (this time Wright returned to the band). Since then, he has been at virtually constant odds with the others (especially Gilmour - Wright has since died and Mason is happily retired). At the same time, it's coming out what a leftist and anti-Semite Waters is. His latest statement in support of Russia in the conflict with Ukraine is a major disappointment and has only confirmed for me that he is a narcissist. I'm not questioning his brilliant poetic talent or songwriting skills, but as a person he does nothing for me. Excuse my English, I'm from the Czech Republic and I don't speak much...
Waters isn't a brilliant songwriter. His lyrics are usually pretty stupid and he's never written any music of note on his own. All the music people loved was written with massive help from the other members of PF.
Waters isn't an anti semite. He's pro Palestinian who are semites, what he is is a harsh critic of the government of Israel. A government who has treated the Palestinians like animals. In that regard Waters is absolutely a proponent of human rights no matter who the humans happen to be.
Kudos to Waters for his contributions when he was in the band, but when he basically said Pink Floyd was nothing without him, after The Wall / back in the 80s, my opinion of him fell into the gutter. That's why I would never go see him in concert. On the flipside, every interview I've seen of David Gilmour, he is always very humble and seems to be pretty even keel, whereas Roger is so full of himself. BTW, "Division Bell" is an amazing album, right up there with DSOTM and the others.
@@LouiePlaysDrums He just said they were best tracks, in his opinion that is. 👍 By his comment, I read it as he doesn't like Division Bell. I know many that do not like either Momentary and Division, and that Pink Floyd ended after Waters left. Lyrics wasn't t the same afterwards, neither the mysterious compositions. Pink Floyd 80's /90's doesn't hold up with that silly Gilmour guitar work - sounds like granddad soloing over pop songs. And the Endless River - what a pile of 💩
He wanted out of Pink Floyd, and left in 1985. Then years later, when he realized the brand name Pink Floyd was all-time-iconic and nearly priceless, he started throwing legal hissy fits because he was out of the club, but still wanted its benefits, with his own PF reputation amplified.
Roger failed at marriage FOUR TIMES. He had his second wife on tour with Pink Floyd in 1977 and he and the wife and baby son stayed at separate hotels from the rest of the band and took helicopters or separate limousines to the show from the rest of the band (David had his first wife Ginger and oldest daughter Alice who was a baby in 1977 on tour). Dennis DeYoung had his wife and children on tour with Styx at the height of their success. Tommy Shaw had actress Linda Blair with him as her schedule allowed (making movies, riding horses in equestrian showjumping competitions and staying off drugs as she was on probation for her 1977/78 arrests and did anti-drug commercials and speeches to school children about the dangers of drugs and alcohol).
I need to check out Barnstorm by Joe Walsh. Roger Waters is a talented lyricist but he's not God. Your "When the lights go down in the sit-ay-yay-yay" cracked me up!
I liked Journey but there was always "something" that hackled at the back of my brain, and Michael nailed it, the "corporate" sound! Same with Jefferson Starship, when Airplane became Starship I was done with them...
Back in the early 70s I was a bit uncomfortable when John Lennon became extremely political with power to the people and war is over ect..but I feel he had the right to say what he believed. It didn't make me change my feelings about his music and Roger Water's has the same right. I listened to his entire speech at UN security concil and although I didn't agree with everything he said, I think it's great he did it. Maybe we should totally trust the members of the security council? That's a great idea!
Momentary Lapse is a solid album as well. The tours associated with those albums were hugely successful. Pink Floyd rolled on just fine without Roger. Frankly I don’t really care for any of RW’s post Floyd stuff. He’s gonna fuck up DSOTM.
Pink Floyd roger waters r amazing to me all since I was around 7-8 when my brothers put on the run ! Dark side of the moon on an said it was pink Floyd av played until now and learned a lot of pink Floyd and roger water’s material since am 53 now still to this day can’t get enough of all there music ! I love the the way u convey the politics about it ! Your right in a sense but also don’t help by making other people ! Natural people who like roger and pink Floyd split there thoughts ! I will still subscribe to u mate but just ! Maybe not like the divide u portray !! Thanks for hearing what I think mate
Great video! I couldn't have said it better! I'm a huge PF fan but have had a love/hate relationship with Mr. Waters since he left the group. You literally hit on many key topics, and I agree wholeheartedly.
The combination and frequent tension between Roger Waters and David Gilmour created something bigger than either of them could have achieved on their own. If you don't believe that, consider what either of them have done since, not too much and nothing that compares to Dark Side, Wish You Were Here and The Wall. Those were epic. Waters composition and Gilmour's guitar were a potent combination. I think they both reached their peak in Shine on You Crazy Diamond. That is one of the greatest rocks songs ever made.
I absolutely love waters as a artist for his writing abilities, his politics I don’t need to hear, as a guitarist I love Gilmore. However watching dudes who are worth hundreds of millions of dollars argue over petty bullshit is both hilarious and disheartening, at the end of the day you’re playing basic rock music not launching rockets.
@@Atom-56 okay, they are about the farthest thing from jazz fusion there ever was, and aside from a few songs all Floyd songs are either in 4/4 3/4 and the occasional 5/4. I think your music theory could use some work. Great band , love them, gilmour is one of my favorite guitar players of all time, and they are still just a rock band.
@@james-he7xv ha, I’m not the only one who took the bait!……….where as, ( imho) Traffic and Keith Emerson, playing with The Nice as a trio are, jazz fusion rock bands……… 😉 It would appear that, deliberately setting someone up, to make a fool out of them, is something you take pleasure in……..perhaps, your skills of teaching a person from right and wrong, could use some work.
I find it ironic that roger, the person who came up with with the album animals while in the band Pink Floyd, ended up becoming the living embodiment of the lyrics to the song dogs… and he wrote those lyrics which makes it more ironic
I love Dark Side and the albums before it. After that it was Roger taking more and more control: War, Teachers, Politics, and Madness is pretty much all he could write about. Give me Piper At The Gates Of Dawn or Meddle any day.
Wait, that's, "Piper At the Gates" over "Wish You Were Here", "Animals" and "The Wall"? To each their own, I guess, but that is total lunacy to me; for I think there's good reason why the three albums I just mentioned are considered to be "classic", even "epic", albums by most of us PF fans, and by most regular music aficionados, as well. Waters' genius is truly apparent.
for me 'The Wall' created by Roger was their best Album, and far superior to Dark side' I even prefer the production The Floyd material since Waters left was distinctly lacking, yes there was some very good tracks but Ummaguma was far superior, however David is a superb guitarist, I highlight, 'Comfortable Numb' as a masterpiece however it is awful that they cannot get on together, egos just got in the way, there are also questions about how Syd was treated, could and should they have done more to help him? Another question is why reproduce 'Dark side'? and how will it change? we will see!
You can't top dark side the way it is. It's not going to have the same aura as it did when we first heard it in the seventies. Division bell is a good album. Keep up the good work, Mike.
Roger's plan for the album is to do spoken word over the instrumental bits. He plans to replace the "ooohhh oooohhh" bit on The Great Gig In The Sky with spoken word. I know that sounds like a joke but it's completely true.
@@distantthunder12ck55 It will be As bad as Bob Dylan's Xmas songs CD.. That was the one you put on loud to clear the room when the party had gone on too long. Either that or Yoko Ono caterwailing.
Love to see others giving love to The Division Bell. May not have the complexity of Animals, may not have the prog music of WYWH and may not have strong lyrics as DSOTM and The Wall, but musically it's just wonderful, pure beautifulness.
@@colourfaze86 Waters is a 5 chord songwriter. The Major and minor 7 th chords and diminished chords you hear on classic 70's Pink Floyd records are all Richard Wright. Wright was a jazz fan and jazz has interesting chords even if you hate the busy solos etc..
Let him. He's earned the right. Maybe he'll succeed, maybe he won't. Look what Diamond Dave's done with the Van Halen catalog, and not necessarily in a bettering way, in that case. I doubt that Waters, being the creative genius that he is, will go in that same direction at all, though.
Post The Wall, we had a Wright-less and Gilmour-less Pink Floyd, The Final Cut, and it was lacking. Conversely, had a Waters-less Pink Floyd post The Final Cut, and it too was lacking. The point is that Pink Floyd is the sum of the four members creating together, with Gilmour playing (writing and creating) some amazing guitar work.
I love Pink Floyd. Too bad Roger and David are behaving like children. While Waters is a founding member, Gilmour is primarily responsible for placing the band on its trajectory towards being an all-time great. Gilmour and Wright contributed significantly to DSOM. Waters did not write all of it.
Anyone that says they alone were Pink Floyd is delusional. All 4 members contributed their piece and removing any one of them would change the sound so greatly that it would no longer be recognizable. That would be like Paul saying that he was the Beatles and could have created Sgt Pepper alone. Anyone with an ounce of common sense knows that is just plain nonsense.
Same thing if Eddie Van Halen saying his guitar playing is all that matters in his band.
No Eddie, you need a singer, drummer and bass player too. You're one of the great guitarists of all time but Alex, Michael Anthony, David, Sammy and Gary to an extent all contributed to your success too
Love your comment on Floyd and comparing them to the Beatles.
I'm a huge fan of both bands. It definitely took all 4 members to achieve their overwhelming success.
Besides, as the old saying goes, there's no ' I ' in the word team.
The whole saga is getting tiring no.w, most fans couldn't care less no more gone on far to long.
taking things said out of context is just plain nonsense
Actually during the early classic years of Pink Floyd- 1967- 1972 ,the trippy keyboard soundscapes created by Richard Wright really personified the Pink Floyd sound.
As a lifelong Floyd fan, it is so sad to see these guys still feuding. Neither one is 100% correct, but both are absolutely certain they are.
"Neither is 100% correct... but are absolutely certain they are."
Thansmx to €ilmour and his wif€
It's all that $$$. If they were a local who played together 50 yrs ago they'd never have this much anomosity.
Very succinctly and well spoken. Thank you
@@thack57 Facts. So true. Unfortunately for the fans, it’s just a couple multimillionaires fighting over money
Perhaps I'm weird but if I were in either of their shoes: rich, celebrated rock stars with a mountain of laurels to rest on, I would spend my twilight years enjoying life and reflecting on an amazing career in peace and luxury. Not quibbling like lunatics and getting tangled up in legal battles and needless drama.
My sentiments exactly . All down to inflated ego's , boredom and too much money . Removes them from ordinary everyday life and gives them an over the top opinion of themselves . Pathetic really . At the end of the day it,s only music no matter how good it is .
It's because Roger is a sociopath. Nick and David moved on, and are comfortable where they're at in life. Nick embraced retirement the moment Roger left by racing cars, and appreciates any gigs he gets. David started flying planes and drops an LP every few years and tours if he feels like it. They have actual lives. Roger? Roger goes around trying to show everybody how smart he is. Roger is so unstable and insecure he has to prove something not to the world, but himself.
David Gilmour was doing that and graciously ignoring Roger's provocations - appreciated by many. David's wife evidently more political with a complex family background. Which is fine but her tweet's political objections coupled with personal insults .Defamation law less tolerant of malice. I would be surprised if David saw it before sent. Roger thrives on controversy and combat but this will be hard for David even if this too settled out court.
Roger certainly has a number of discernable personality disorders. Many of them common among celebrities.
He is a small evil man.
The guy in Pink Floyd with the least musicality is going to re-record an album soaked to the gills in musicality? I can't wait for this utter trainwreck.
Water's should call the remake Dark Side of The Loon!
lol, thats very good!
Keith Moon would've appreciated that!
At this point all one can do is play "Wish You Were Here", then play "Comfortably Numb", and reflect that Gilmour and Waters really needed each other to do their best work.
Fearless and Dogs as well
It's really strange that they can't see this truth isn't it?
Or won't.
@@AJTate-bs6li I was just about to bring up Dogs. Animals in general is criminally underrated. And imo the solo at the end of Pigs is Gilmour’s best solo.
Polly selling her books and scented candles on the official Pink Floyd site was not cool.
And calling Roger an antisemite too!
Is she similar in attitude to Neal Schons wife being an attention seeker chasing rich men? Many pointed out Neal's wife is a gold digger and that lead to tons of ridiculous scenarios including a pay per view wedding
@@iiiooo3803 It's the truth though.
@@colourfaze86 so we are not allowed to criticize Israel? Wtf
Have you heard his new version on "Comfortably Numb?" No guitar solo, drab and dull. I think that's what we can expect from his remake if Dark Side. I won't be buying it. His music is dark and depressing. Contrast that with Gilmour's music, bright and uplifting.
That is the key. Gilmour and Wright made people listen and Waters' lyrics made people think. You need both or there is something NQR.
Yes, Yes, Yes. "Division Bell" is a very good album. It blows away "The Final Cut" which to me is unlistenable. That album showed me that Roger being totally in control was not such a good idea.
Poppy cock . The Final Cut is a solid record.
You must be deaf...The Division Bell should even carry the Pink Floyd name. The lyrics are a joke, and an unfunny one at that. Without Roger, it's Fake Floyd.
It doesn't matter that often times it was Roger who brought the material to the band. The fact is that, the four guys brought their talents to the songs' development which is why they sounded like Pink Floyd and became great. Roger also brought his songs to his solo works but now without the input of the other three. Hence, his solo works have never been anywhere near as good as the Pink Floyd finished products. And the same is also true for the Pink Floyd albums without Roger but to a lesser degree, as there were still three members contributing their input to those albums. The simple truth is all four are needed to have the right chemistry. If you bake a cake requiring four ingredients, but you only use three or one, well, it will never quite come out the same or taste as good. Some things are only great when the sum of all parts are there.
In no way is Pink Floyd without Waters better than Waters solo...they're equally as bad...
@@normt6226 that's your opinion and not everyone's. We are all entitled to have them. Cheers!
@@normt6226 none of it is bad. Maybe not your favourite music but millions and millions of albums sold and new generations still buying there albums tells u that your statement is not factual but indeed nonsense. 🐷
@@Gavaldo You're right, i didn't mean bad...i meant not as good as the real golden era Pink Floyd...And Waters solo is just as good as the Gilmour era Pink Floyd...in no way worst...
As far as I’m concerned, David Gilmour is Pink Floyd. I don’t sit around listening to the lyrics. Pink Floyd is all about the lead guitar. No one does it better then Gilmour! Waters plays bass. enough said.
There’s no rewriting DSOTM, it’s flawless. I don’t care if Roger thinks it’s his album, Roger didn’t play the guitar on Time, or the keys on US/Them, he’s a mad genius
If you look at the writing credits on DSOTM most of the songs only have one name and that is Roger Waters
@@chickenhappy3607 He did not write 'Any colour you like either' and may be not 'On the run'. He just wrote lyrics not Music. If you go back through all of the Floyd Albums and read the credits, there are credits to more than one member of the band on many of the tracks.
He’s not a genius. He’s done nothing without David Gilmour.
@@HEADLINEZOO bullshit..if you look at most of the writing credits on their 2 biggest albums DSOTM and The Wall you will see only one name Roger Waters
@@chickenhappy3607 Most, not all.
I must say Gilmour's take on events politically are terrible, the simping to his insane wife is disgusting. The separation and disputes between Gilmour and Waters is a bummer.
Dark side is A classic! Smoked A lot of that cheep Mexican weed and the occasional purple micro dot driving around with Dark side on the eighth track in 1972
The DSOTM record wasn't released until 1973. Maybe you imagined the whole record before we had heard any of it. I heard Music by Beethoven while on acid. Music he had not composed yet !! ;-P
Must have good micro dot since DSOTM came out in ‘73
I remember Mr. Waters in an interview at the time of his exit from the band. The interviewer asked him why he left the band. I'm paraphrasing his words here from an almost 40 year old memory but you just can't forget it when a man says "One day I realized that when fans were coming to a Pink Floyd concert, they didn't know they were really just coming to see me." He even went so far as to criticize them later for having non-band members performing on the albums (Clare Torry Roger?) I have never liked him since. Gilmour/Wright/Mason carried on just fine without him.
Assuming that's true, that has to be the single most narcissistic quote by any artist ever! Holy cow! 😳
But he was right. The band was his vision at that point with nice guitar solos from Gilmour.
2 albums in ten years is not carrying on just fine, it's struggling.
@@pedrorocha9722 Or consider it was all they needed to do.
@@colourfaze86 I don't think so. One can sense in the music of those albums, specially Momentary, the enormous effort to come up with enough usable songs. Two single new music albums and two double live albums... What's kind of ironic for me is that Division is an album that reflects on comunication and the lack of it and Waters and is next album of original songs, «The Bar» among them, reflects about the same thing. Meanwhile, the comunication between Rogers and Gilmour.... well, need I say more?
There are 3 songs out of 10 on the album where Roger solely has the writing credits to himself. Even on those 3 songs the other band members contributed greatly to help shape the song into something listenable, such as Money for example. It boggles my mind Roger thinks he did everything by himself
confortable numb was a gilmour song. he even considered to have that song in his own solo album.
Roger is an egocentric nazi.
@@duff0120 David had the melody and chord progression of the chorus completed during those sessions. Roger wrote the lyrics and possibly the chord progression to the verse. Another example of their best work is when they work together. Wouldn’t be surprised when Roger’s memoir comes out that he states he told David every note to play for the solos on Comfortably Numb
All true but it was the rest of the band who where happy to let Rodger be the main writer as he had to when Syd had his Psychotic episode. No one else even tried to be a writer so Rodger realised I will have to take on the responsibility and the rest of the band admit they where happy for that to happen but after the success of dark side of the moon and echoes the other band members started to want more input but Rodger by then had this huge ego and responsibility to be the main man who had been put into that position by losing the talents of Syd. Remember it was Syd who started the band with Rodger and then they invited Nick and then Richard to get involved and only because of Syd having a complete psychotic breakdown Dave got involved it was either step up or sink or swim which Rodger whom had never wrote a song suddenly became the man the whole band relied upon.which evidence shows with dark side of the moon which was mainly his idea then with wish you where here the same, obviously the wall was Rodger’s baby and I know it’s wrong to believe you’re the only person that matters evidence shows that he was correct to do what he had to do not through choice but through tragedy. There’s way to much placed on it all being Rodger’s issues but the whole band where against him & could u imagine what that must have been like so no wonder he wrote alone as there wasn’t the production coming from the other guy’s that where good enough to actually add there songs onto an album which Rodger believed where not good enough to be included. That’s where it all began to fall apart.
YOu must not have heard the over produced gilmour 80s floyd.
It is sad that these old men have nothing better to do than argue over who did what in a band that peaked 50 years ago.
I, Me, Mine. Apologies, George.
I don't know. As prickly as Roger's demeanor is. He never resorted to name calling. Pollys statement was scathing and while not necessarily untrue, it should've been on a less public forum. I agree with you on Division Bell. But that was more due to them getting together and writing through open jamming. Wright's thumbprint hasn't been as present since Obscured by Clouds. That leaves me to my next point. Gilmour was right to not carry on the Floyd after his passing. Then he walks that back to release Hey Hey Rise Up under the Pink Floyd moniker. And he justifies it by taking sides in a conflict that is anything but transparent. As for Roger rerecording Dark Side for the 50th, well thats just Roger being Roger and it sure as hell beats repackaging what most fans have owned 5 times over and charging 300 dollars for it.... which is precisely what the other camp did. I think you failed to look at the big picture here. Otherwise..... great video.
And f*ing Rick Wright taught Roger how to play bass and read music. Part of the magic of DSOTM is the _stars aligned_ and the universe smiled. There was no hate or envy in their hearts. You can hear it everywhere, a total band effort. We've all heard/seen the live pre-album concerts. But when they went in to record - there just happened to be a set of roto-toms in the studio? Clare Torry turned a nice piano piece into a masterpiece? Speed up the last seconds of piano note to fit on LP? Anybody walking through studio door asked a question (and recorded)? "The Violent Sequence" goes from a 2 minute piano bridge into "Us And Them"? Pure and utter magic. Roger was the architect, but it took others to build and turn it into a thing of beauty and a _home._
I have to agree, for my favorite song off the album, "The Great Gig in the Sky", with Torry's vocals and Wright's keyboards, had absolutely nothing to do with Roger Waters. But fact of the matter is, they were an amazing "group". A team effort on all accounts. I can't imagine DSOTM being anywhere near what it is, without even one of the three other members. Roger's ego needs to maybe drop down a couple hundred notches.
The first thing I thought when you said Roger Waters wanted to re-record the Dark Side of the Moon album was, why? I agree it is a nearly perfect album. The first hundred times listening to it with headphones, I would would say perfect. The 4 members of Pink Floyd were essential for that and many more albums. You don’t mess with success. Roger Waters voice is okay on the songs he sings, but you can’t replace David Gilmour on guitar and vocals. Especially when adding in Rick Wrights keyboards and vocal harmonies. I won’t be purchasing it.
Open your mind. He can do what he likes it may be a breath of fresh air it may not. New music has to be good.
I can’t stomach Water’s whole attitude. He exudes a dysthymic affect; I can only wonder what’s going on under the hood.
You only disagree with his political views because you have little understanding of what he's saying because you believe state propaganda.
Right on, Michael! DSotM is a masterpiece. Roger Waters will be in for a big surprise when his version is barely recognized. I don’t care who you are. John Lennon once stated he wanted to re-record his Beatles songs. McCartney did re-record a few of his Beatles songs. They were not anywhere near or close to being better or improved upon. It’s not the individual who made these songs great. It was each band member’s contribution which created the songs’ and albums’ greatness.
Oh, and Waters needs to stay far away from politics.
I'm so surprised nobody is talking about Nick Mason's Saucerful of Secrets Echoes Tour. I went to see Roger Waters This is Not a Drill tour and I think it was very awesome. I'm 16 so I just ignored the politics and enjoyed the fact that I saw a used to be Pink Floyd member. However Nick Mason's tour makes Roger Waters tour look like Nothing. I felt like I actually went back in time to see pink floyd play before they made the dark side of the moon.
The problem is wife of David gilmour’s Polly Samson ….roger water say the right thing on all …thank you for video !
Roger pulled out of PF back in the day because, as I recall, he felt the band was then done and had become irrelevant. Gilmour, Mason and Wright clearly felt otherwise and a court rejected Roger's attempt to stop the remaining three guys touring and recording under the PF banner. I saw PF both in pre DSOTM days and on the band's last world tour in 1988 and have seen Roger three times on his own DSOTM, Wall and another big tour he did a few years ago. All great shows but, for me, those two PF shows can't be beat!
It was settled out of court. The court did not have to make a ruling. All parties agreed on a resolution. It went to court but was settled out of court
I saw them during their division bell tour. Looked like Pink Floyd to me.
@@stpaulimdog It might have looked like Pink Floyd...but without Roger, it's Fake Floyd...
Looking back now, Roger was right. The 2 albums made after he left were atrocious. Done for no other reason than the money. Sure, the music itself is fine but the lyrics are embarrassing. The idea of Polly Samson writing lyrics for a "Pink Floyd" record is laughable...without Roger Waters, it's simply Fake Floyd. It's one thing for David Gilmour to criticize Roger, but Polly Samson should just stay out of it.
You've just made my day ! and you've just messed up my computer too after your comment re "Svinctor" i spat my "English cup of tea" all over my laptop from bursting out laughing.. not seen you before but ive defo just subscribed. Great presentation and comical with it.. looking forward to more.. Rock n Roll from a Brit living in Greece 🤣
I am going to say it. Water's was the main writer, and DSOTM is his lyrically. But it was a team effort to build the musical side of it. Gilmore was added to the band during Syd's decline. But Gilmore's guitar work is what really brought the band full circle. So that really created the power struggle in the band. So 3 of their albums are so iconic, neither side is willing to let go of them. Because of this. It is really going to spoil the fruits of their labor. Water's took a hard left into leftfield somewhere along the way, while Gilmore has always kept his political beliefs close to his self. Rock music has always been partly politically charged in one way or another. I just think that many of us are just tired of hearing about it, and want it all to go away.
Nobody bought Pink Floyd albums for the lyric sheets
Yes but it's genius was in the lyrics. They made greatly composed music, not necessarily complex music. Oh and gilmours amazing guy that work. But wright and mason in comparison to people like Collins and banks in Genesis pale in comparison. Waters and Gilmour made Pink Floyd. And waters was the one who conceptualized all of the albums. Everything after the wall was pure garbage as they needed each other and waters is a prick, but dude was the brain behind Pink floyd
@@laughingchimp3468 post waters isn’t bad but nothing is ever going to touch Meddle, DSOTM, Animals, wish you were here, Wall era, and I mean shit dude who would expect anything to do so that is a very long time to be dominant as a musician and lyricist and that’s not even all of their hit albums. However, the division bell, momentary lapse of reason, hell even the endless river are all great albums that are a good listen (less so for the endless river but louder than words is an absolute banger.) maybe my ears are tuned differently but they just can’t not like a Floyd song lol. If you haven’t heard the pulse live performance (2019 remix) album you are missing out on a lot of GOLD my friend.
@@docsavage8640 I mean, it’s one of the reasons I did.
@@invertedxxxi Yup, I used to sit their reading the lyric as I listened back in the day that album covers were like books!
Lot’s of people think famous bands comprise life long best buddies but the truth is many are nothing more than work colleagues and often the type of colleague who you try and avoid at the water cooler!
They should all stop the social media wars. It makes everyone look bad. David is usually above social media attacks, but I guess he needed to support Polly. Fell kind of right into Roger's trap. He loves attacks, but doesn't like receiving them.
Know anyone who likes being attacked?
Strange that Roger Waters can not agree to a peaceful agreement with David Gilmour when he can lecture world leaders about making peace.
One does not repaint the Mona Lisa…or Dark Side of the Moon
Only a megalomaniac tries.
Your take on the Roger Waters/UN situation really put a smile on my face and a tear in my eye! So spot on, good man :)
Personally I love a momentary lapse of reason and Division Bell, have both albums along with Dark side of the moon original copy, Pink Floyd has left us with great memories and great music, Roger Waters w/ Pink Floyd was great, without, Not so much.
Roger Waters speech at the UN was fantastic and historically factual. Waters is well read. You would know this if you happened to be. Suggesting he just watches media for his knowledge is sophomoric and only describes you not him.
I thought it odd that Polly Samson would publish a tirade like that, and wondered what provoked it. When I read that Waters had announced he'd secretly re-recorded DSotM, I understood why. The way he dismissed Gilmour, Mason and Wright in that Telegraph article, laying sole claim to the album, was beyond disingenuous.
are you ignoring how gilmour ignored wright and mason when he initially put out AMLOR, he even admitted it and that is why he had to do a remix many years later with wright and mason on it
@kevin ohara - that's not true at all. David and Nick decided together to continue on, but during the recording process Nick himself didn't feel as driven as he needed to be and had to get back into it at a slower rate. Same with Rick. It was out of necessity that David had others fill in and play on the record while Nick and Rick got their heads together. That, along with the 80s production is why they weren't complete happy with the record and decided to re-record/remix it the way it was always intended to sound. Gilmour never ignored or went behind anyone's back to put together AMLOR. The more you know.
@@kevinohara2618 As I understand it, Rick Wright was advised not to rejoin the band for legal reasons, while AMLOR was being recorded. And while neither Mason nor Wright were not major contributors to the album, they were part of it - so what you're saying just isn't correct at all.
@@ianfortier6796 they did have very minimal work on the original version, just repeating what gilmour said in an interview, whether what he said was true or not you would have to ask him, i am inclined to believe him in this instance in what he said
@kevin ohara I don't disagree about the minimal contributions, in fact I clearly stated as to why those contributions were minimal, just as a few others have. Your claims about David ignoring Rick and Nick during the whole process and trying to compare it Roger's antics is what I said was wholly untrue. In fact, someone else said that Rick was advised by the band's lawyers to be careful with his involvement for legal reasons since Roger strong-armed him out is 100% correct and something I had forgotten about.
Gilmour and Wright were the PF sound. Since Gilmour had to help Waters play bass, safe to say Waters was, at best, mediocre bass player. Waters is an egomaniac! Waters would have been nothing without the other 3. Waters wrote some words. Sorry Waters, your remake of DSOTM is the one album I will not buy.
If the band's success was solely due to Waters, then you'd expect his solo output to achieve a similar level of success, but it never did. Funny that.
@Bald Bag - well said! I've been saying that for years.
Almost makes you wonder that if Waters never split with the other Floyd boys , that the Pink Floyd albums would have turned more and more to shit. Even with Gilmour.
No recordings after the wall by any of the band members were as good as the wall and before it. That shows how difficult it is to create amazing music from scratch. Most atrists get their good stuff out young and then that's about it. They can then just perform shows for the rest of their life. Whatever political you choose Gilmour or Waters or whatever
He was literally the highest grossing musician from tours second only to Dr. Dre “Dre beats” like a couple of years ago. He’s doing better than you realize.
Waters solo stuff pales in comparison to the later Pink Floyd albums AND especially the concerts! Gilmour is the Man!
Music was supposed to bring us TOGETHER !
Waters attempting to re-create DSOTM and removing all input from the other members sounds like musical suicide to me. He wasn't the only band member who contributed to that album. One song was written by Wright and another one was co-written with Waters. Gilmour's fluid guitar work and Wright's atmospheric keyboards added much to the overall sound/atmosphere. So did the sound effects added by Mason and Alan Parsons. Leaving out their input on a future re-recording will surely be a letdown to most PF fans.
The best cover version of DSOTM I've heard is Dub Side of The Moon by Easy Stars All Stars.
DSOTM in reggae dub style. It's original, witty and it's pretty good.
Granted if you don't like reggae dub then it won't be for you. But if you're curious give it a listen.
And Mel Collins sax work on MONEY.
Agree about dsotm. Always close my eyes and listen. Pure peace and enjoyment!
Eh, not a big Roger Waters fan, I have seen both incarnations of PF and David Gilmour solo ( with Richard Wright ) and was perfectly content with the Waterless version.
As far as re-recording DSOTM, you shouldn't mess with it. Kind of like you shouldn't remake movie's like the Wizard of Oz, or Mr. Smith goes to Washington, the originals are untouchable.🤠
Well presented and voiced. Thumbs up to you Michael and I totally agree.
I absolutely agree with you when it comes to Division Bell and A Momentary Lapse being far better than any of Roger's solo efforts, that being said, Amused to Death was really damn good. I disagree about entertainers keeping their mouth shut when it comes to politics, we have opinions too. I am a musician myself, studying political science at Texas state University. The constitution says we are entitled to our opinions.
For now
Actually the last roger waters solo record from a few years ago was his best work since final cut
@@e.m.b2834 Amused to Death is a masterpiece. Kills both Momentary and Division.
Agreed, Water's needs to keep his mouth shut. As for him thinking Floyd is his band, seems he forgot about Sid!
Personally, looking forward to hearing Roger's ideas. It's all going to be just fine folks. Roger and Dave will be just fine. DSOTM will be just fine.
You hit the nail on the head regarding Waters. Brilliant musician and songwriter. He has every right to his opinion about politics, and the right to express it, but I don't care two cents what it is.
I agree with nearly all of your take and opinion on this matter yet you said he is getting ALL his info from the Far Left or "The Atlantic and Washington Post" yet a lot of the policies that Roger espoused during his speech to the U.N. come straight from the mouths of the Far Right, or "Putin Apologists"....Where ever life finds you I hope it finds you and those that you love safe and well....
David and Roger are both extraordinary men. They chose different paths in life. Roger was and remains a political activist. David chose a life of family, friends and happiness. We all have our callings in life. I'd much rather live a life like David.
Pink Floyd isn't a band, it's a business venture.
Which is the Rock and pop music industry . A greedy , money making machine .
@@clouddog2393 True dat. In the case of Pink Floyd, they stopped being a band a long time ago.
Welcome to the machine.
The Division Bell was missing Waters' gritty input which made it too syrupy-sweet. All of Waters' solo works were missing Gilmour's sonic guitar and Wright's foundational backdrop. This is what happens when one member thinks they represent the entire band.
The revision Hell ( sic) is a cure for insomnia!
It’s sad. I believe Roger is suffering from end of life delusions and out for revenge.
Polly Samson Option
he hates war .............. u love it .... whos the nutter
@@johnrambo6265 Roger Waters hates war and makes money out of hating war( sic ) . If there was no war to hate he would have much less to say and have very little subject matter to write lyrics about.
@@MisterTMH how dare he hate war ..... What a asshole !!!
So roger it was your guitar playing and singing that made dark side of the moon great
I saw Waters back in October on his This Is Not a Drill tour, it was an absolutely amazing show and I’m so glad I got to go. That said, it was not Pink Floyd, and having watched PULSE, Delicate Sound of Thunder, etc, I still wish I could go back in time and see Floyd even after Waters left. I love post-Waters Floyd as much as I loved Dark Side, Wish and The Wall. They’re one of those few bands where each member were vital to creating the whole. The level of pettiness that they are at now is shameful and sad to see quite frankly. It’s too bad because if they would reunite for a final farewell tour even without Wright, it would likely have gone down in history as one of the biggest tours ever
A note... sometimes around 1978 PF were broke due investing into scam financial fund. Waters came with the Wall demos. Others didn't like it but could present nothing... almost. Waters returned PF back to the match.
PS: I appreciate "Comfortably Numb" version on Lockdown Sessions, highly likely stripped of David's input.
Roger Waters talks a lot of sense in relation to Palestine, Julian Assange, Ukraine, American hegenomy among other things. I'm with him all the way.
He also talks a lot of garbage in relation to those very same things. Which is why I listen to him but take what he says with a grain of salt.
Roger Waters has gone nuts. And we thought Syd Barrett was the crazy one. Off his rocker a long time ago.
He's like, well, a megalomaniac. ;)
You have a very poor understanding of mental health.
I think you lost everyone younger than us older Gen X folks with "Mary Harman, Mary Harman." 🤣
Anyone who has read Nicholas Schaffner's book on Pink Floyd knows how much Waters changed after Wish You Were Here. It was virtually impossible to argue with him. He took any objections to the formation and functioning of the band as a radical attack on himself. And it just got worse and worse. By the time The Wall was recorded, the band was practically split. Waters was the self-appointed leader of the band and made all the decisions, mostly without the knowledge of the others. He fired Wright. The atmosphere was desperate. After the last album, The Final Cut (which I consider more of a Waters solo album), he was the one who left the band. He thought that without him, everyone would fall apart and the band would die. What a surprise it was when Mason and Gilmour said the band would continue without Waters. He didn't react at first, saying it wouldn't last long and that he thought it was just an experiment. However, when he saw that the band was successful without him and he couldn't even fill a small concert hall with his projects, he sued the others (this time Wright returned to the band). Since then, he has been at virtually constant odds with the others (especially Gilmour - Wright has since died and Mason is happily retired). At the same time, it's coming out what a leftist and anti-Semite Waters is. His latest statement in support of Russia in the conflict with Ukraine is a major disappointment and has only confirmed for me that he is a narcissist. I'm not questioning his brilliant poetic talent or songwriting skills, but as a person he does nothing for me.
Excuse my English, I'm from the Czech Republic and I don't speak much...
Couldn't have said it better! 👏🏼
Waters isn't a brilliant songwriter. His lyrics are usually pretty stupid and he's never written any music of note on his own. All the music people loved was written with massive help from the other members of PF.
Well said!
Waters isn't an anti semite. He's pro Palestinian who are semites, what he is is a harsh critic of the government of Israel. A government who has treated the Palestinians like animals. In that regard Waters is absolutely a proponent of human rights no matter who the humans happen to be.
Gilmour supported the firing of Wright in 1979, that wasn't just Waters' doing.
Pink Floyd is not a Pink Floyd without Roger, period.
Exactly! So many fake fans that do not appreciate the true art of Floyd all thanks to Roger
And there I thought the Pink Floyd drama was going to be about the DSOTM 50th Anniversary $300 edition.
That's where the drama is to me....
Why? Who's forcing you to buy it?
He is right about Ukraine. I have been standing with Russia since 2014.
Kudos to Waters for his contributions when he was in the band, but when he basically said Pink Floyd was nothing without him, after The Wall / back in the 80s, my opinion of him fell into the gutter. That's why I would never go see him in concert. On the flipside, every interview I've seen of David Gilmour, he is always very humble and seems to be pretty even keel, whereas Roger is so full of himself. BTW, "Division Bell" is an amazing album, right up there with DSOTM and the others.
"Lights" is my go-to karaoke song. How dare you! 😡😉🤣🤣
I agree with you about The Division Bell. I think it's a great album, one of Pink Floyd's best.
Best tracks, Learning To Fly and On The Turning Away!!!
@@hurdygurdyguy1 Those tracks are from A Momentary Lapse Of Reason, not The Division Bell. I still agree with you though. Those are excellent songs.
@@LouiePlaysDrums He didn't say it was off Division.
@@rabarebra Well, excuse me.
@@LouiePlaysDrums He just said they were best tracks, in his opinion that is. 👍
By his comment, I read it as he doesn't like Division Bell. I know many that do not like either Momentary and Division, and that Pink Floyd ended after Waters left. Lyrics wasn't t the same afterwards, neither the mysterious compositions. Pink Floyd 80's /90's doesn't hold up with that silly Gilmour guitar work - sounds like granddad soloing over pop songs. And the Endless River - what a pile of 💩
He wanted out of Pink Floyd, and left in 1985. Then years later, when he realized the brand name Pink Floyd was all-time-iconic and nearly priceless, he started throwing legal hissy fits because he was out of the club, but still wanted its benefits, with his own PF reputation amplified.
good job Michael !!
It’s always the women who end up starting trouble between men!
Roger failed at marriage FOUR TIMES. He had his second wife on tour with Pink Floyd in 1977 and he and the wife and baby son stayed at separate hotels from the rest of the band and took helicopters or separate limousines to the show from the rest of the band (David had his first wife Ginger and oldest daughter Alice who was a baby in 1977 on tour).
Dennis DeYoung had his wife and children on tour with Styx at the height of their success. Tommy Shaw had actress Linda Blair with him as her schedule allowed (making movies, riding horses in equestrian showjumping competitions and staying off drugs as she was on probation for her 1977/78 arrests and did anti-drug commercials and speeches to school children about the dangers of drugs and alcohol).
I need to check out Barnstorm by Joe Walsh.
Roger Waters is a talented lyricist but he's not God.
Your "When the lights go down in the sit-ay-yay-yay" cracked me up!
I liked Journey but there was always "something" that hackled at the back of my brain, and Michael nailed it, the "corporate" sound! Same with Jefferson Starship, when Airplane became Starship I was done with them...
Back in the early 70s I was a bit uncomfortable when John Lennon became extremely political with power to the people and war is over ect..but I feel he had the right to say what he believed. It didn't make me change my feelings about his music and Roger Water's has the same right. I listened to his entire speech at UN security concil and although I didn't agree with everything he said, I think it's great he did it. Maybe we should totally trust the members of the security council? That's a great idea!
Momentary Lapse is a solid album as well. The tours associated with those albums were hugely successful. Pink Floyd rolled on just fine without Roger. Frankly I don’t really care for any of RW’s post Floyd stuff. He’s gonna fuck up DSOTM.
Screw Ukraine and Russia. Let them fight it out. Roger and David, I love them both. They need each other to make great music.
In my opinion, "On The Turning Away" is a real good play... is so Pink Floyd-ish masterpiece!
I totally agree, but as is "Amused to Death", the title song off that album. I love them both equally. Sincerely.
If nice people dont talk about politic and war then tha war be lead by bad People and the conséquences fall on the poors
Waters wrote the lyrics but Dave and Rick wrote the music and Nick did drums, percussion and significantlly the sound effects!
Utter bollocks. Roger wrote the majority of the music as well.
The really sad thing is that both sides perform songs against war and they diminish their message when they keep going to war with each other.
Doesn't he has enough with the Wall, Final cut and his solo albums? No, seriously.
Pink Floyd roger waters r amazing to me all since I was around 7-8 when my brothers put on the run ! Dark side of the moon on an said it was pink Floyd av played until now and learned a lot of pink Floyd and roger water’s material since am 53 now still to this day can’t get enough of all there music ! I love the the way u convey the politics about it ! Your right in a sense but also don’t help by making other people ! Natural people who like roger and pink Floyd split there thoughts ! I will still subscribe to u mate but just ! Maybe not like the divide u portray !! Thanks for hearing what I think mate
I'm with you on this one. everything you said is spot on 👍
Totally agree with you Michael, about Roger.
Great video! I couldn't have said it better! I'm a huge PF fan but have had a love/hate relationship with Mr. Waters since he left the group. You literally hit on many key topics, and I agree wholeheartedly.
It's nice to hear someone give the Division Bell it's due. It's one of my favorites.
Completely agree on DSOTM Micheal, if it ain’t broke don’t mess with, one of the greatest albums of all time.
The combination and frequent tension between Roger Waters and David Gilmour created something bigger than either of them could have achieved on their own. If you don't believe that, consider what either of them have done since, not too much and nothing that compares to Dark Side, Wish You Were Here and The Wall. Those were epic. Waters composition and Gilmour's guitar were a potent combination. I think they both reached their peak in Shine on You Crazy Diamond. That is one of the greatest rocks songs ever made.
I absolutely love waters as a artist for his writing abilities, his politics I don’t need to hear, as a guitarist I love Gilmore. However watching dudes who are worth hundreds of millions of dollars argue over petty bullshit is both hilarious and disheartening, at the end of the day you’re playing basic rock music not launching rockets.
Wouldn’t, have put the music of PF, in the basic rock category…………….🤔
@@Atom-56 why not, its all based on pentatonic blues scales, what do you call it, jazz fusion?
@@james-he7xv well yes, I would consider them as jazz fusion, prog rock.
Ive always thought of basic rock music, as 4/4 beat.
@@Atom-56 okay, they are about the farthest thing from jazz fusion there ever was, and aside from a few songs all Floyd songs are either in 4/4 3/4 and the occasional 5/4. I think your music theory could use some work. Great band , love them, gilmour is one of my favorite guitar players of all time, and they are still just a rock band.
@@james-he7xv ha, I’m not the only one who took the bait!……….where as, ( imho) Traffic and Keith Emerson, playing with The Nice as a trio are, jazz fusion rock bands……… 😉
It would appear that, deliberately setting someone up, to make a fool out of them, is something you take pleasure in……..perhaps, your skills of teaching a person from right and wrong, could use some work.
I find it ironic that roger, the person who came up with with the album animals while in the band Pink Floyd, ended up becoming the living embodiment of the lyrics to the song dogs… and he wrote those lyrics which makes it more ironic
I love Dark Side and the albums before it. After that it was Roger taking more and more control: War, Teachers, Politics, and Madness is pretty much all he could write about. Give me Piper At The Gates Of Dawn or Meddle any day.
Waters became a one-note bore
Wait, that's, "Piper At the Gates" over "Wish You Were Here", "Animals" and "The Wall"? To each their own, I guess, but that is total lunacy to me; for I think there's good reason why the three albums I just mentioned are considered to be "classic", even "epic", albums by most of us PF fans, and by most regular music aficionados, as well. Waters' genius is truly apparent.
Give me Piper over the Wall too!
@@AJTate-bs6li Agreed!
@@jamescameron277...I totally agree with you. I can barely stomach the sound of the early PF albums
for me 'The Wall' created by Roger was their best Album, and far superior to Dark side' I even prefer the production
The Floyd material since Waters left was distinctly lacking, yes there was some very good tracks but Ummaguma was far superior, however David is a superb guitarist, I highlight, 'Comfortable Numb' as a masterpiece
however it is awful that they cannot get on together, egos just got in the way, there are also questions about how Syd was treated, could and should they have done more to help him?
Another question is why reproduce 'Dark side'? and how will it change? we will see!
You can't top dark side the way it is. It's not going to have the same aura as it did when we first heard it in the seventies. Division bell is a good album. Keep up the good work, Mike.
Michael, it doesn't take alot of words to say I agree with you 1000%.
Roger's plan for the album is to do spoken word over the instrumental bits. He plans to replace the "ooohhh oooohhh" bit on The Great Gig In The Sky with spoken word. I know that sounds like a joke but it's completely true.
If so, it will indeed be a joke.
@@distantthunder12ck55 It will be As bad as Bob Dylan's Xmas songs CD.. That was the one you put on loud to clear the room when the party had gone on too long. Either that or Yoko Ono caterwailing.
The wealthiest musicians in the world arguing over money and kudos.... Perfectic
Money is a crime...he sang....
stop holding back, Michael.
tell us how you really feel...lol
I am glad he does. Even when I disagree with him, I appreciate him for the discourse.
Love to see others giving love to The Division Bell. May not have the complexity of Animals, may not have the prog music of WYWH and may not have strong lyrics as DSOTM and The Wall, but musically it's just wonderful, pure beautifulness.
Roger wrote 99% of the lyrics, and 70% of the music.
More like 20% of the music.
@@colourfaze86 Waters is a 5 chord songwriter. The Major and minor 7 th chords and diminished chords you hear on classic 70's Pink Floyd records are all Richard Wright. Wright was a jazz fan and jazz has interesting chords even if you hate the busy solos etc..
Well you were certainly right about one thing , your opinion is humble indeed!
What we can expect from Roger is rewrite of all PF albums. Including Division Bell, just to show David that he can do better job.
Oh, I believe he can! I watched him performing I Wish You Were There and it's stunning! Made me forget about Pink Floyd's version.
Let him. He's earned the right. Maybe he'll succeed, maybe he won't. Look what Diamond Dave's done with the Van Halen catalog, and not necessarily in a bettering way, in that case. I doubt that Waters, being the creative genius that he is, will go in that same direction at all, though.
Roger Ego Waters ! I still respect his contribution to Pink Floyd, but nothing more.
u love war and death as well ...??
Post The Wall, we had a Wright-less and Gilmour-less Pink Floyd, The Final Cut, and it was lacking. Conversely, had a Waters-less Pink Floyd post The Final Cut, and it too was lacking. The point is that Pink Floyd is the sum of the four members creating together, with Gilmour playing (writing and creating) some amazing guitar work.
I really like “The Endless River” album.
David Gilmour couldn't write a song and now can't even write his own opinion. LOL
Well when the original opinion is put perfectly and completely true, what else is there to say?
@@colourfaze86 I don't believe it is all true, especially the anti-semite remark.
I love Pink Floyd. Too bad Roger and David are behaving like children. While Waters is a founding member, Gilmour is primarily responsible for placing the band on its trajectory towards being an all-time great. Gilmour and Wright contributed significantly to DSOM. Waters did not write all of it.