What is SNAP? How to generate snap in your disc golf game!
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- What is snapping a disc? Why is it important when throwing in Disc Golf? How do you get the disc to snap on every backhand?
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Stokely is one of those heroes of the old game who has dedicated himself to teaching. I am super grateful for it.
And people still try to argue with him.
So true. I’m so thankful for finding him recently
Scott’s teaching videos on TH-cam have helped my game advance immensely over that last year and I’m beyond grateful as well! Thx chief your videos are golden
I remember seeing Scott throwing 600+ in the 90’s. That would be like going 800-900 regularly on today’s tour. I’m so glad he found his space. We all need to support him on Patreon.
@@NVR2L8TX totally, he was just as good as the players today but with wayyy less discovery, science, technology, etc. available. fucking respect this man
Scott Stokely is clearly one of the best disc golf instructors out there. I have felt the elusive snap only a few times and have always been eager to figure it out. Now I think a have a major clue. Thank you.
I think it's easier to learn standing still. Just take many discs out on an open field and aim for a target far away. I am now throwing almost as far standing still as when taking steps. And my aim is alot better.
Simple NOT easy! The game explained in 3 words! Thank you Scott!!!!
LIFE explained in 3 words! :D
I cant say enough about Scott's teaching style. Straight forward, to the point, no BS. I love it!! Thanks so much.
I watched this and went right out to the field and I swear I was throwing some of the better shots I ever have. Not only did I feel like I was getting the snap but I was getting the nose down on drives and I was throwing putters like I never have-- dead straight with no wobble. Thanks a lot Scott, you are a gift to the game.
Mcbeth has the best snap it's a joy to witness in person. His form looks like he's casually tossing and the disc ROCKETS out of his hand at 65-70 mph. you did an excellent job describing it!!
*laughs in drew gibson*
Paul's snap is absolutely elite, make no mistake. But pop guns Drew Gibson is the king of snap.... and missing c1/c2 putts 😂😂😂
@@chrisbruchak4519 I played with drew in the shelly sharpe last year. It's definitely the loudest
Ole shoe strings has some serious snap as well!
As a recreational player still learning how to throw, and hasn't yet mastered the cross-step, I really appreciate this lesson, and I think it's the clearest and best explained video I've seen on this topic to date. Thank you!
Good luck on the quest, favorite disc yet?
@@joeyquiver5896 Aviar. Great putter and training tool. 🙂
@@NickCarroll excellent choice! Couldn't have recommended a better disc for the purpose.
(Here is to staying on par in 20 minutes LOL, about to head out)
@@joeyquiver5896 😎
Look up latitude 64 that’s where I learned my back hand I’m not by any means a great player but watching John and Ekstrom gained me around 100ft
Awesome video!
Thanks! What you’ve been able to do on the golf course is awesome. So impressive. I’m enjoying watching the story unfold!
@Yousef Junior sir, this is a Wendy’s
@Yousef Junior Couldn't be more right! lol
@Yousef Junior You're right, no one gives a shit.
Hands down the best teacher. Solely by how simple you break things down. Cut and dry straight to the point. Just overall simply explained. Love the way you define the fine line between what the mechanics actually are and what feels natural. You break the two down into separate parts and you show how the two should work together once put together.
I say a prayer before each game to generate 'Holy Snap!'
just came back to say this really improved my backhand. im throwing 50 ft further on average now and got my first backhand ace literally the day after watching this video. Thanks Scott!
Stoke, you are a freaking legend bro. Would love to see some of the old school90s guys go at it with the young stars of today, in a skins game.
Newbies would destroy the old heads imo. The game is changing fast.
Great video man. Letting people know they need to have their plant foot down before even pulling anything else is some of the best advice I tell anybody starting out. Do not pull with your upper body until you feel “grounded”
Started playing disc golf in 1985 but after 20 years I took a 14 year break due to frequent travel for work. After retiring almost 2 years ago I dusted off the discs and started again and noticed I lost a lot of drive distance (I am now 67 years old). I have tried many things including a massive study and experimentation of discs speeds/weights to find the perfect sweet spot disc plus basic fixes always keeping snap in mind but this one video may have filled in the missing info I needed...planting the foot before anything else moves forward. Most of my fixes only resulted in incremental improvement. To date I was concentrating on creating spin through the wrist on release, obviously not the best way so I will try out your advice right away.
Tried today and instantly added 20-25 feet to my drives. I also found that by focusing on the proper action sequence I was slowing down my throw which helped also. Good advice!
As soon as you said correlation does not equal causation, I knew I was gonna learn from this video.
Unreal how clearly you explain many different ways of approaching disc golf. Quality work, I'll be watchin many more.
I have been casually/passively playing disc for a few years. I feel I have watched numerous videos about generating snap. This by far is the best one. Straight to the point and simple enough for anyone to understand.
I watched this last night, hit the course today and this added 100ft to my drive instantaneously, serious breakthrough moment.
Yooo! Just randomly watched this video and saw this comment! Gunna head to the field soon too lol
@@evangold4720 you and I both, friend.
You have a way of explaining things that make sense and instill confidence. Thanks Scott!
Went down the youtube rabbit hole at 1 : 30 A.M for disc golf tips. This man is nothing but a wizard!!!! A wizard who for the first half of the video seemingly spoke in riddles but yet.....as the video progressed.....I got it,or at least I think I do. I will find out tomorrow morning when I play a quick 9 before work. If my drive does not improve.....I shall return and continue watching this video over and over until its pounded in my head. The single best dg tip video iv watched to date. I only THOUGHT id watched them all and came across this gem.
You sir are a true master.......its like when Booger became humbled by Snotty the loogie master in Revenge of the Nerds II. I am your pupil....willing to learn and eager to be humbled. I look forward to watching more of your videos. Until next time.....thank you sir.
Sincerely,
One of your many undeserving pupils who's hopelessly addicted to the craft we all have come to love,known as Disc Golf. Peace be with you sir and may good fortune shine its light upon you every day.
'Golf is deceptively simple and endlessly complicated, it satisfies the soul and frustrates the intellect. It is at the same time rewarding and maddening, and it is without a doubt the greatest game mankind has ever invented' *Arnold Palmer*
Just started this summer after 10yrs and im re learning BH form from the ground up. It is important to have a good form and yes it is then youll achieve that disc ripping ftom the tip of your fingers like a whip. Great explanation!
Love the style of being less scripted. It feels more natural, and genuine vs a lot of these highly edited youtube videos. TY!
Man, thank you for this video! I've been trying to figure out why sometimes I get the ripping sensation off my fingertips and sometimes I don't. I thought maybe it was because I wasn't pulling fast enough and when I try to pull faster with my arm and shoulder I end up releasing late. But this explains so much. Great stuff!
Great teaching Scott. I really appreciate your simplicity in explaining mechanics.
This is gold, thank you Scott. Love watching you on old tour videos
Just found this video. The way you explained that and broke down the analogy of the whip & then explained how it works with us as the whip was great. Need to watch more of your videos now.
Best example I've seen so far. Seriously helped my game
Wow! After watching dozens of videos on how to throw far, I finally found the one that makes it simple. Thanks Scott!
Disc golf genius! Never heard of the cracking whip from lower body to upper. Thanks man
Watched your video today. We went out and played using your "snap" lesson. I threw 3 of the farthest throws I have ever thrown. Planted my foot Then snapped the disc. Made a significant difference. Thank You Scott
I needed this, thank you. I had a bad Sunday last week were I was "grip locking" some very dramatically. That is what I was looking to solve when I watched this video. I played yesterday with two things in mind, a full reach back and making no movement forward until my foot hit the ground. I drove more consistently. Keeping this in mind from here on out.
You are so right, Scott. The first time I felt the snap off my finger tips, the whole game became so much more interesting to me. I was hooked from that point!
So I just had to let you know, I just added 75-100 feet to my drives after disking down to speed 7-8 and watching a few of your videos. Thanks so much Scott!! Ive been disc golfing on and off since mid 90's and hit a wall at around 300 feet, just threw my Maverick 375 😁. Many thanks bro!
Every vid I watch from you improves my game. You have a way of explaining the mechanics of discgolf is such a way that just clicks for me. Thanks so much for your work in making these!
I've only thrown two drives over 500 ft. I generally max out around 425. On those two 500+ ft shots, my index finger did the same as yours, it bled at the finger tips by the fingernails. I ended up losing both those discs because I wasn't accounting for the extra power out of nowhere and they ended up going past the pin, one at 435 and the other at 460, and going into water behind the hole.
I haven't done any consistent work outs or anything to generate that power, so I knew it was all in my form. Something must have clicked and my timing gave me that extra power. Every day, I try and replicate what I did on those two throws. Hopefully I can follow what you were saying and get that whip form down so I can consistently get to that 500ft shot and stop losing discs when it happens lol.
Amazing video. I grabbed a disc and practiced my x-step in my living room, and then as soon as a put my plant foot down, I thought, "Why is my arm all the way back there and why do I feel muscles in my back I haven't felt while throwing before?" Clearly, my issue was rotating before planting. I'm really excited to work on fixing this to make better throws. Thanks, Scott!
Nice Scott, thanks for making this, it will help a lot to teach people about snapping a disc (not the audible snap), and getting the disc to explode out of their hand.
There is another fun meaning of "snap" in the physics world that actually makes sense in terms of this explanation. Most people know about position and velocity and acceleration. If position is x then velocity is x' and acceleration is x'' where each prime is another time derivative (rate of change with time). You probably know this well. Now, the time derivative of acceleration is called "jerk" and is denoted by x''' (3rd derivative of position with time), and the 4th derivative x'''' is called "snap." Snap is literally the acceleration of acceleration. These are also practically important for understanding how human bodies behave in crashes, or in extreme fighter jet maneuvers, since it relates to the movement of pressure waves through the body that actually cause damage. That's what seems to be happening when you your blowing out your fingers...real snap!
PS...just for fun, we've added a x''''' (5th derivative) called "crackle" and x'''''' (6th) called "pop."
I’ve noticed recently that delaying my reach back until my plant foot almost hits the ground promotes my hips generating the power/snap instead of my arm doing the work.
Its because your timing is correct. Slow and steady is my means. Its helpi g your timing. Been playing almost 20 years and still tell myself to slow and snap
I will have to try that next time i am out throwing
I recently tried the same and it works, tho i think im to late with it cus i dont have enough time to rotate my shoulders back enough to generate that power so im almost throwing the same distance as with í did before with just my arm and shoulders like 370+ feet but i guess if i get the timing even more right i can hit 400 + every time :)
Hi mr stokley i have been playing for about to years afyer watching this video i went to my back uard amd attempted to recreate everything you talk about after the third time i got that snap feeling of the disk leaving my hand it was the best throw ever i normally average about 270 and i would say that throw went easily an extra 100 feet im exxcited about going to my local course and practice this over and over thanks alot for the videos
Very helpful, I have been at this for 20 years. This was the best explained video on how to snap. I have been able to snap before, but duplicating it is much harder. ( practice, practice ,practice)Thanks Scott...
double commenting its important to take tips from someone that actually has had competitive success. wishing you luck to your season hope you make it to maple hill my man
scotts the best teacher love his demeanor. thanks man
I (bought and) read your book decades ago and it's great to see you explaining things in person now! Whenever I asked someone, what snap is, I didn't get a satisfying answer... Your approach is exceptional and immediately understandable! I observed my fingers getting red - but blood is not splattering out, so I'll go for some more ;^)
BTW - you were able to throw sidearm as far as backhand... Do you have any tips on how to do that without hurting your body?
Simplest explanation about generating power I have seen. Thank you.
Thanks for all this Scott. As a player from your era all we had was the instruction to aim at the basket and pull across the chest. Picking up the discs and introducing my girlfriend to the sport after a few decades break I LOVE all these resources especially from a familiar face. You da man Scott. Thanks! Tom PDGA#7617
@12:10 man that analogy is such an "Ah Ha!" moment for me. I've always wondered why sometimes I get that snap and other times I feel like the disc just floundered out of my hands. Looks like I have some field work to start working on that order of planting my foot and then beginning to rotate the rest of my body.
This is a great video and way of explaining a hard concept. One thing i notice is that his feet are pointed backwards and not perpendicular to the throwing direction. Most other videos and pros recommend planting your feet perpendicular rather than "back pedaling," as Scott does here
Appreciate the Blue Power discs we bought from you.
Thank you Scott
Just found these videos and this is explained in a way I think I may finally be able to work on learning it. I have never snapped a disc.
I knew watching this would give me one key point I was missing. Thanks, can’t wait to try it out next time in the field!
Wow...that makes so much sense! Thanks for the simple but direct instruction!
I saw you live and came back cause I started to lose it. So simple and beautiful! Thank you!
love the video... cracking a whip is a very good visual to keep in mind. few people I have said some advice to beginners.. I have to used the phrase "popping your friend with a wet towel" lol
never hurt to rewatch this!
Scott, my old friend. First I hope you are well in mind and body. Great explanation--except you forgot about the leading edge must be slightly lower than the back edge of disk. The "nose" down (along with the spin) is what helps you get that 'penetrating shot', that carry we love. If the leading edge is higher than the back, your shot will balloon up and you will lose considerable distance.. just saying buddy. Take care buddy and I hope we can meet again for some outrageous safari holes. Riley Oak Grove forever!!
Awesome video! Just started a Disc Golf club at the high school where I teach, and these videos are helping me and my players. Hopefully a club HS league will start soon and we can put a course on campus.
The whip analogy really helped me a ton with my drives. Thanks!
It works. Thanks bro, you've got my attention.
This video sums up the technique of Frispeegolf brilliantly!
Your videos are amazing. The way you teach things is super easy for me to understand and apply to myself. Thank you for doing what you do :)
I found you from your collaboration with the Disc Golf Kid, by the way.
Thanks so much for the video! Made me realize that i have been starting to open my hips before my foot is planted. Cant wait to work on this one.
Last summer I threw so many backhands that 2 timmes it started bleeding on like the pit where the finger bends (idk what its called) I dont really know what im doing wrong other than throwing too much, because that can't be right?
Great vid, great advice! One thing I'd add is to help get the most out of the snap keep the disc kind of loose in the hand (I dangle it vertically) until the very end. When I started doing that (idea from watching Wysocki and GG) my 350' throws turned into 425' foot throws without changing anything else. I think I was almost doubling the speed of rotation on the disc this way, and a bit of strain pain in my forearm simply stopped being an issue (from gripping too hard on the reach backj.) Now before a throw I tell myself flip, grip, and rip: After the disc gets into the pocket, flip it up, grip it tight, and rip it. My release point was all over the place at first, but it only took a few days of practice to get back to hitting my lines.
Check out my video about grip, may be of help to you.
I'm going to try this/focus on this tomorrow. About a year and a half ago, I threw a mid range disc out in a field 360 ft, about as far as I throw my drivers. I didn't try to muscle it and I felt that snap out of my hand. I had no clue what I did and I've been chasing that throw ever since, and I've not been able to repeat it. Thank you for the explanation.
I started watching and thought straight away...get to the point...but at the end felt you actually took the necessary amount of time to get this to sink into my brain. Thanks.
I do feel this vid could have benefited from a snap counter though ;-)
Awesome video Scott. Can you do one about injuries?. I’m 49 and have had back problems all my life from different activities. I throw my back out at least twice a year playing. Then I’m out indefinitely. What’s the best warmups? Have you had back problems?
I believe it has to do with me not “finishing” the shot correctly. As in letting body release. Thanks for the lessons as always🙏
It's difficult to talk about injuries with a broad audience like TH-cam. I am not a medical professional but I know if you focus on the proper mechanics, the risk of injury is greatly reduced.
THis was great!!! Plant foot, get snappy. Thanks bro!
Some people (Big Jerm) loves to credit Drew Gibsons loud snapping sound to his extreme power, but its literally just him gripping the disc in a modified powerfan grip which he himself says he uses 98% of the time and after it leaves his hand his fingers collapse into his palm. look at Simon Lizotte whom arguably throws longer and faster, no snapping sound. He uses a raw power grip around the inside of the rim that acts like an extra hinge or axis so when the disc unravels from the sling it also does a small rotation around his fingers, kind of like a hula hoop that goes of course, adding even more spin and speed. thats one reason simons 600+ throws looks so effortless, his "snap" is out of this world
This is my new favorite disc golf video.
This video makes me want to go out into a field! Thank you for doing these
Right when I thought he was about to explain it, the video ended. 😂 Great explanation though. Can’t wait to go out and put this into action.
Thank you Scott Stokely! all your videos are amazing and super helpful.
Thank you for this video
Can’t wait to use this on the course!!
This makes so much sense! Thank you for your wisdom, sir!
I rather enjoyed that…Thank you for the lesson!
I really like how you go slow and show step by step awesome.
Disc golf wizardry. Thanks Scott.
I love this so much what a gem of an instructional video
Holy crap. This makes so much sense. Thank you, Scott!
Thanks for this info! i've been struggling with having consistent snaps and i know its due to poor planting and pulling through technique!
I can’t wait to try this out tomorrow! Scott, you’re the man OG 💯
Thank you for this snap lesson🙌
This doesn’t account for rounding, dipping, grip issues, etc., otherwise every time someone did a stand still throw it would result in “snap” and it clearly doesn’t. I’d love to see this “simple” explanation developed into a more robust break down. Things that are simple for you, may only be simple because you’ve been doing it for many years, and are taking for granted the myriad of issues that will occur for a beginner.
Really appreciate your level of explanation.
Paige Pierce just said in a video that your hips should not be rotating in the throw, just in order to follow through. She said it's more like a sideways hip thrust and then rotation.
A lot of times teachers teach what they feel and that doesn’t exactly translate to what we see. Her hips rotate very fast if you watch her, but to her it might just feel like she is pushing them forward.
Interesting. Thnks for the input.
Scott's video is helping with snap, which is a high end discussion for long throwers. Paige's video is helping a new player go from about 100' to 200' on her backhand. In advising NOT to rotate the hips early, Paige's advice is compatible with Scott's in that she is getting her student to weight the front plant foot and not just 'swing around in a half circle' like most new players do. Hope this helps.
Your best tip video to date! And that's saying alot..thanks man keep em coming!
I have a solid forehand and have been struggling to generate back hand snap. I’m sure that when I go out tomorrow this is going to help me. I want feel the blood pressure in my fingers.
Hi Scott, I think I experienced this today for the first time. I'm very new to DG, been throwing for 2 weeks with my Bro-In-Law (im a lefty throwing mainly forehand) and we give feedback on each other's throwing. He mentioned i wasn't looking like I got enough spin on the disc, so the next throw i "ripped it" and boy did it come out so sweet, it flew much further just, just flipped over too soon and went OB, first time throwing that disc... i automatically self labelled it as "ripping it" but I think its the same as ur "snap". Ill need to go look at ur forehand snap video and also try ur pendulum and windmill techniques... thanks for the great videos.
instructions unclear; accidentally launched disc into orbit
really though, this is so helpful to think about the whip in this way. i just played my first rounds trying this out and focused on reaching back until my front foot was planted. even with some mistakes from trying it out on the fly, i still played the best i've ever played and generated power a lot more easily (and accurately). i can finally see a lot of where i was losing power before!
cool tips man I always love the feeling of a good throw it reminds me of a really good hit playing baseball! I think your totally right about the 100th of a sec thing too
Learned so much from your videos! Us new players thank you!
Whips don’t actually exceed the speed of sound typically, it’s the material changing directions that makes the crack. Otherwise, whips could crack before the material changes direction. The sound is always at the exact point the material snaps to its full length, straightens the material and changes directions. Getting a loop in the whip is what makes a good snap. The loop can increase the speed your arm puts into the whip by 30 times. This relates to disc golf in the sense that timing of the snap is very important. Getting the full whip crack snap timed at the exact point of release is how you get the most “snap” spin. That’s why we avoid “rounding”. It’s just like watching someone that sucks at cracking a whip. They go for that standing wave snap that cracks the whip towards their face inaccurately, rather than the full loop wave travelling through the whip and cracking accurately at a target the full whip length away. Basically, like snapping a towel. It’s a better analogy for disc golf because you can practise with your disc towel. If you’re rounding the towel will tell pull through the power pocket and get that “snap”! The release point is the imaginary point where your finger tips would snap if they were made of a floppy material like a whip or towel.
Wow, thank you for this. I’m 63 yrs old and have been playing for a little over a year and had become discouraged as I just couldn’t get any distance. I watched a lot of tutorials trying to get better but just got frustrated until I tried this and wow what a difference this made.
Thanks for this instructive video! I'd like to ask a question: Does the "whip" of my body work differently with an empty hand, compared to when holding a disc? I'd very much like to be able to get some feel for this from inside my apartment and many other places where ripping a disc is not really an option, so could I do this empty-handed or would I need a substitute mass (that doesn't break whatever I throw it at)? And if the mass matters, does weight differences between discs modify the "whip"?
Scott is a good teacher and has, I'm sure, made many golphers better throwers. There are a few assumptions made in this video that I will challenge. Spin is maybe the most misunderstood aspect in disc golf. Spin is a product, and has a direct relationship to, the velocity the disc is accelerated to. The simplest example would be that if you asked a top pro to throw two 60mph drives, one with their max spin, one with least spin, the result would be that both drives have the same spin. Another way to see it is to imagine the very last millisecond that the disc is in contact with your fingers. What is happening? The disc is literally rolling off your fingers. Whatever the disc rpm would be if it were rolling on the ground at 60 mph is the exact same rpm as a 60 mph throw. Ten years ago I made a disc that recorded maximum rpm and tested and confirmed this hypothesis. The second assumption that Scott makes is that spin determines hyzer fade. This is not true. The disc hyzers as a direct result of lowering air speed. What happens when you throw with a strong tail wind? The disc hyzers early. Also, a typical long drive is in the air for what 5 seconds? A long drive will spin around 2000 rpm, how much will that drop in 5 seconds with only air drag? Maybe a couple hundred rpm at most. Ball golf has come a long way using science, disc golf and teaching disc golf could certainly benefit from the same approach.
Tail winds push my discs down long before the hyzer fade. Headwinds raise the disc vertically, again before any hyzer fade. I'm not sure I understand your point. Can you clarify? Scott, I'd love to see your reply on this one as well. I've seen lots of vids from pros that say don't try to flip your wrist to impart spin on a backhand; rather spin is imparted as the disc rips from the hand when proper form is used. But do use wrist to impart spin on forehand. It is very confusing and needs more explanation from those who can throw the long drives. My best are about 320 ft, so I am no expert, just trying to get better. I'm also curious as to how much the pros vary their grip pressure for the distance desired.
Thank you for the thoughtful reply. Can you please contact me on Facebook? I would love to dive deeper on this!
I’m always learning...
Brilliant! Love the logo intro!
I started playing a little over a month ago and watched a bunch of videos on form and how to throw. Why has none ever mentioned this whip effect?? They have all said the pull through with your arm! This makes total since how people generate all that momentum.
THANK YOU!!! Now I understand where I'm going wrong! Scotts disc golf for dummy's 😂 This was easily the best explanation just because of its simplicity!