Perfectly articulated, all your videos doesn’t show how to throw perfectly on day1 . It teaches a process that you have to put in practice that will make u better player down the lane . I am the perfect example , I had zero forehand due to my shoulder injury but nowadays I throw consistent 250 ft forehand .. thanks to you scott
I focus on strength and mobility training 2 days prior to any round I intend to go throw sidearms. 48-72 hours prior seems to be ideal for me. For sidearms, I focus on bicep curls, shoulder extensions, triceps, single-leg squats and core exercises. Stretching with an elastic band a few minutes prior to throwing is a must for me now. I've had too many injuries. Using resistance bands works wonders and reduces the likelihood for injuries as it simulates flexion and extension of tendons and supporting muscle groups, unlike dumbbells, which are the same weight throughout the range of an exercise movement. Wish I had known all of this in my twenties.
52 year old here , who only threw RHBH untill I got back into the sport in 2017 , they used to be called "Tricks Shots" in the 90's !!! Your technique has me throwing RHFH and has taken 2 strokes off my round at the local course I play. I can now birdy 2 holes I never could with RHBH. Thank you Scott
Scott I just want to say that I recently started playing disc golf again after many years off, I’m 44 years old now and could never side arm properly. After watching your videos I just went out today and was cranking 350 foot side arms with zero wobble! Thank you, thank you thank you!
I have watched literally hundreds of videos on how to properly throw, but no one explains as in depth, and as simple as you do! In less than a day I have corrected a years worth of terrible shots, and I can now throw a solid, straight, distance shot. Your explanations just make everything click. Thank you so much for the great insight! On too the backhand!
I started disc golf a year ago. I came from a handball background, so I believed my forehand would be good. However, it turned out everytime I threw it game out wobbly. Watching these videos helped me really much. What helped me the most was when I changed my mindset into "baseball". A low throwing arm like a whip. That was the first time I ever thew a disc across a football field with my forearm.
Im new to the sport and couldn’t throw a sidearm further than 150’ without flutter before I watched this. Im throwing easy 250’+ sidearms now with no flutter. Stokely is the man
I can’t wait to get out and throw sidearm. You are the reason of learning and liking disc golf. Learned my back hand technique from Scott. Like he says it’s not easy but the technique will work. Been playing for just over a month and super hooked
That’s for the video’s - I’m 52 and just starting disc golf ⛳️ what a blast I did not realize it is so much fun. I put my golf bag away for now and playing disc gold instead. I’m still terrible but getting better because of people like you.
I'm so glad you said that the elbow "just a little bit" in front of the wrist is okay. I tried throwing like Eagle and injured my elbow. Nine months of healing. Now I throw using your method, Scott, and my elbow is good. I basically "coast" through the point when my elbow is in front. Then I snap with the wrist. This gives me good throws, but no injuries.
In ultimate frisbee my side arm was my better throw with good distance but it's interesting how much it doesn't work with disc golf discs and I hurt my elbow. Certainly slowing it down and focusing on the wrist seems the way to go.
I'm so happy to see experienced teachers putting methods out that work. It would be a lot easier to just point out positions from a pro (that may or may not help folks) and call it a "technique tutorial". Putting in the teaching work to find success is so much harder and we appreciate your hard work Scott!!!
walked outside after seeing this tip and tried it. Elbow bent forwards, wrist cocked... man was it always this easy..? Ended up throwing it a few times to make sure it wasn't a fluke, and nope, it's just that easy to fix! Beautiful, straight shots every time! Awesome video, thanks for the help! then I thought "well, his go really far and mine are flying straight, but not going super far..." Then I remembered the form you showed from another video, and tried adding that on, following through with the arm, 'throwing the ball'... and accidentally sailed it over my neighbor's fence lmfao.
I'm 60 and have been playing for 3 years and don't have a sidearm shot...yet. I'm trying to get this down so when I take your seminar in April, I at least will have a head start. Thanks for the video, and I'll see you in Augusta!
Tried and tested now my forearm is a lethal weapon ---see what I did there? I come from a baseball pitcher background and can throw pretty hard. However I could not figure out how to get the energy into the disc to make it fly right, it's like I could throw it 300ft by just forcing it out there but the flight/good throw was not consistent. Watched this video, you made it make sense in my head how to do it, 2 min practice now I can throw bombs correctly. Thanks Stokes you're the man
The pendulum style helped with my first sidearm issue of skying my shots I pulled back like throwing a ball making my back swing be up near my head with elbow not leading. This video helped finish the fix. The tip with the pause to ensure the wrist clock and elbow position saved me. When I tried it I felt like everything clicked. It felt so natural. Thank you Scott for your amazing ability to simplify concepts makes working on things much easier!
I will try this next time I go into the field. I've been working hard on my backhand and knew I needed to work on the forehand. I get frustrated cause I feel like I know what I'm supposed to be doing with the backhand, it's just a matter of figuring it out. With the forehand, it's been a bit of "I don't know what I don't know" and has been a lot of guessing, to the point where I'd considered just learning RHBH (LHBH predominant) instead of forehanding. So we'll see how this goes
Looking forward to trying out your suggestions soon. I really have no forehand to speak of, except for short scramble, flick shots. Hopefully, this 70 year old will develop a decent forehand by the time you see me at the Charlotte 2022 clinic.
Ok so my sidearm was nonexistent but always a work in progress after watching this video and some practice I now have a serviceable sidearm for shots upto 200 feet thanks Scott
Great tip to check your form. Will 1000% be using this. Saw you at Disc Shack in Phoenix but didn't get to say hi and thank you for all the great content as I caught you when you were leaving.
Exactly what I needed! I do have a fair forehand , but not over 300 feet. And I know my disc is wobbling as I film myself a lot, and I don’t know how to fix it. gonna start practicing this method right away!!! Thank you heaps!!!!
Just watched a handful of your videos Scott to try and improve my sidearm mechanics. I can consistently throw 300-350 ft sidearms but I learned to throw by tucking my elbow in and x-stepping on run up. Even though it's effective my biceps and brachioradialis are not happy after a full 18. Tomorrow I'll be putting in some fieldwork and getting a nice pendulum/windmill along with some of the other tips in your vids. I'll let you know how it goes boss.
Oh my, thank you very much. I'm getting to 344 ft with sidearm but there's some wobble, thus disc turning over at some point. I'll give this a go someday after I've finished working on my backhand :)
Very well done video. “Very simple but not easy”.. I like that. It seems like I have the elbow out in front already and have decent form, but I still get quite a bit of wobble on many of my sidearm throws. He didn’t talk much about the cocking of the wrist.. maybe that’s just a simple task that I need to pay more attention to. Also, maybe there’s a vid that more specifically discusses the wrist action to get rid of wobble?
This video improved my forehand enormously. I now throw a forehand almost as far as my backhand. Which is my next goal to improve on. Best wishes Scott. I hope you turn up in Europe on your world tour!
Nice followup from the 1st video of yours I ever watched. "Windmill vs pendulum" One problem with fixing wobble/form is your distance control can get completely ruined. Expect alot more going long till you get that dialed back gain. 😀
I'm almost at the point where I'm going backhand only because my forehand is terrible. But I'll give this method a shot. I'll get back to you on the results. Thx for giving me hope to save my forehead.
I'm really excited for this. Your last sidearm video helped me go from no side arm to a utility sidearm to what is now something I can use as a legitimate throw choice on the course. I'm still getting some wobble so working on what you've said will be great! Hopefully I start to see improvements. It's the old adage; Practice Makes Progress.
Just an add-on to what Scott has taught here and on the other sidearm videos as of late (which has improved my forearm immensely) is to MAKE ABSOLUTELY SURE that you are tucking the disc all the way (tightly) into the webbing between your thumb and index finger. I was used to more of a fingertip (or like 2/3 of the way back) to throw sidearm, with my utility forehand upshot (before having any kind of decent forehand drive) , and not tucking it all the way, and when transferring that grip to throwing a drive, you will nearly ALWAYS get wobble, aka off axis torque (OAT.) I have retrained my forehand whether its a full throw or a toned back upshot, to making sure the disc is tucked. I had to re-learn my aim because with the disc coming out smooth now, I get a lot longer of a turn or straight, before the disc begins to fade, but its still in good flight, due to not loosing speed from the wobble. Hope this helps someone! This important detail is in plenty of forehand videos, i just kept forgetting to implement it when i got out on the course. Cheers!
@@RudiBega That sounds absolutely plausible, thanks for that extra tip! The more you tuck the disc in, the closer it is to the axis of rotation of your wrist. Which, I think, increases the speed with what you are able to rotate (snap) the wrist and that should lead to giving the disc more rotation. Also, bringing it closer to the wrist's axis should make it easier to keep it in the swing plane to avoid wobble.
Thank you very much Scott Stokely. I love your patient, methodical and understandable mannerisms. I'm 52 years old and started enjoying disc golf about 3 years ago. I used to have flutter problems, but I worked those out and my problem right now is hand turning over too much and shots going out towards the left (I'm right handed). I think the "don't telephone during windmill windup" will help me a lot. Just practiced a few tosses into the pillow in my camper, and I'm feeling more spin and flatter release. I'm pretty excited to try this outside tomorrow!
Rely heavily on my forehand game. Your method of instructions is top notch. Solid. Wasn’t necessarily looking for advice here but will gladly accept it. So much clearer instruction than my “like skipping stones”(end of lesson)lol.
Great tips Scott. Among these tips the thing that helped me the most (to get rid of wobble) was to follow through with my fingers and palm facing up. Rolling my wrist in the follow through resulted in off axis torque in the disc = wobble.
OMG I believe you just solved my OAT issue that has been plaguing me forever. Now my old a$$ needs to get more arm flexibility. Thanks so much for identifying and articulating this issue better than anyone.
Thanks for this! Wobble hasn't been much of a factor in my forehand but I have been working on the pendulum swing. The very first time I hit it right I saw distance improvement. It feels super awkward at first though but its becoming more and more comfortable to me.
I’m surprised he didn’t mention upper body position. Leaning over will help angel the elbow where it is supposed to be and feel more natural than having your arm all twisted back. Ether way great video! Love Scott’s stuff.
Your videos have helped me improve soo much, felt snap on my backhand for the first time, and instantly knew what you were talking about. Time to work on my forehand, then distance on both.
Wobble and snap have always been very erratic for me, sometimes there, and sometimes not. Now I know why. My upshots are usually very good, my drives are frequently quite poor. Recently, I have just got it in my mind that I would upshot from the tee. This is improving my game immensely. I believe my "half the groceries" upshot gets me more distance with less effort because when I throw less than maximum, I throw correctly. When I tense up and give it everything, form goes out the window. Not surprising, but now I know why. Thank you!
Hey are you still doing the virtual coaching? I am very interested in this!!! I've learned alot of my technique from you and your TH-cam videos over the years! I've been watching your videos a long time, when I started playing u had just made or posted that discraft video where the younger looking guys were throwing up the hill on that one hole that Casey white threw the tilt in on...looks kinda like a uphill driving range, I always forget the name of that course, but anyways if you are still doing the virtual teaching I'm all in! Thanks man!
Wish I had seen this before mid October! Just started playing this year and I want to make good habits now as opposed to trying to break bad habits later!! Will be taking these suggestions!
I watch a lot of disc golf instruction. Your video on the right foot planting first on RRBH (the "snap" video) and this one are instant fixes for me when things are going wrong (as they often are😂). I tried this yesterday on short (to avoid big run up or backswing issues) FHs and it was an instant massive improvement.
Thank you Scott! I throw mostly forehand and just a couple weeks ago the wobble showed up again. I think it’s in my elbow placement and maybe slightly too loose of a grip
Thanks for a great vlog mr Stokely! I have learned a lot from your videos in the past but this one gave me result the fastest. Coming from the sport of handball the sidearm through felt natural from the start (it resembles a handball underarm shot) when starting discgolf 2 years ago. But this summer my sidearm didn´t work as usual. I got wobbly results and often made unintentional rollers. This made me almost stop using the sidearm (except for rollers). But at the first try after watching this video I am back into sidearms again. After 30 min I also made the furthest trough I ever made using a midrange disc. Thanks again and please continue making great videos.
You are so good at this. It's very obvious that you have helped so many others with their form. Always a treat man. Got a lot of great advice. Going out tomorrow to work on my feeble forehand. Thanks and all the best. Looking forward to the next one. Cheers 👌👍
I tried sidearm for the first time yesterday and as you probably guessed it didn't go well at all. I am really excited to start practicing and getting better at sidearm with this advice you gave me. Thank you a lot! 👍
Dude! You just gave me a ding ding moment..been struggling with my sidearm...I'm pretty sure it's starting with my elbow back..cuz sometimes it flies..and others times not at all.
I have the flexibility and am always focusing on leading with the elbow, but still have the wobbles. Stopping at the backswing and making sure the disc is on the desired plane is definitely my next thing to try. Thanks!!
Oh man. Mid way through last year I decided to reincorporate my forehand in practice and I think your last video on forehand form helped me a ton. since winter has hit and I am throwing less, even less than less for forehand, I find I have lost it again. I think I forgot this key point you are talking about here and will keep trying. I do have a question to add though; how do I get a good clean hyzer line with the forehand? I usually can only get a turnover or sometimes a nice touch stall approach. Anything else, especially with power is just a slice right into the ground.
I just tried it and while it definitely eliminates wobble, I have control issues with it, so I'll have to work on it. But I was juicing my putters across my side yard (about 100') with very little effort. But I am seeing a lot more potential here for improving my distance (a weak point for my sidearm). Thank you, Scott!
It makes me wonder if you know all the medical/physical shit that happens to the shoulder with your technique.... Using your technique showed me that BOTH movements lock the shoulder into the socket tightly...its the twist of the elbow... Completely helped me with why sometimes my shoulder felt like it was being ripped off, and sometimes smooth as butter... Thanks Stokely 😊🤜🏼💥🤛🏼
Hey there Scott. Was at your clinic in WI this summer. You diagnosed that my forearm issues were from mobility. I have been trying to improve but was wondering if you could ask Seth from disc golf strong if he had any specific ideas. Thanks
Update - took this tip out to the course on Weds and it instantly improved both the accuracy and distance of my forehands. No more 'misfires' where the disc wobbles off left (RHFH). I've been practicing indoors with a FlighTowel and am seeing some major improvements on my noodle FH.
Andrew, gonna try to find a link for a specific partner-assisted shoulder/elbow stretch for you. I'm 50, thick muscled, and have thrown baseballs and frisbees since age 5-- not ONE arm injury in all that time. Plus, you'll improve that "elbow" forward flex. So check back if interested.
Great video, Scott! The problem I have is a past shoulder injury that likes to haunt me from time to time. This is why I do more backhand throws and use the sidearm for utility shots. If I dump power into my sidearm my shoulder instantly let's me know. Rotator cuff injuries suck!
Going to give this a try. My biggest problem seems to be the rim scraping against my knuckle on my index finger and coming out wobbly. I have been using a pinch grip with no fingers in the rim for the 14 years I’ve been playing. I can throw around 300 with some accuracy and have thrown 400 a few times but I would like to have a standard sidearm in my arsenal as well.
Awesome video, I've been trying to practice my forehand finally, getting some decent results with my understable discs on hyper flips. I think a struggle for some including myself is shoulder mobility getting that elbow in front. The other big struggle I have is turning the disc over into a roller.
I have the roller problem to, based on this video it sounds like if you get the disc in the plain your gonna throw it will work. More 9 o’clock than 11 o’clock. Also sounds like it’s the easier problem to solve than getting the elbow in the right place 1st
Yeah, for me mobility is a huge problem after I started weightlifting. I just can't lead with the elbow more then just it being a tiiiiiiny way in front of my hand. Have a hard time finding routines to fix my mobility. Same goes for my wrist mobility. I can't release "nose down" backhand due to this problem anymore. Ugh.
I think this should help my sidearm. I'm guessing a lot of my wobble comes from not getting enough snap compared to the overall disc speed. My wife has a good side arm (from playing ultimate), but I'm not sure she can throw it very far because she is mostly relying on the wrist snap and a bit of body twist, and not much arm snap. Getting that arm snap and wrist snap lined up has been hard on any shot longer than an approach shot with a Zone.
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Thanks for that, something more to practice (only started playing 2 months ago)
I was having trouble with the pendulum style backswing and I'm pretty sure this is the reason why! I think that my elbow being behind my wrist then quickly jumping ahead before I throw was causing me to release on alot more hyzer than I wanted or just throwing my angle and swing off all together! It's like I wld do a perfect backswing, then lift my elbow up (behind wrist) then bam go to throw and elbow back ahead which all together causes the disc to pretty much flip upside down then back over. When I do my old backswing (or lack there of) I don't pull my elbow up, so I had pretty much gone back to the old way after trying the pendulum for a little while. STOKED to go try this out tomorrow! Get it STOKED ahhahahaha
Howdy my friend. Thanks for adding in that "as we get older" part. I finally managed to get my elbow in front and my arm locked up. Lol. Geesh. Anyways a question from #3948. I mentioned I was thinking of getting back into the sport (for exercise) and noticed some discs have 3 or 4 numbers on them. Of course I know the terminology of disc golf but what do the #s represent and are they always in the. Same order? Thanks bro
I’m a predominantly RHFH player (400’+) and my biggest tips that work for me are don’t change the angle (chicken wings) and snap from the hip for distance. Don’t try to get your snap too far past your hip or it will lead to a grippier release that turns over into a throwler with less spin/power. Pop the hip out, stay low and crack it with all your power/wrist snap from the hip. When you get the timing right, you know. That’s when you’re firing on all cylinders. My method works for me using straighter high speed drivers. Lots of people throw overstable drivers for flicks and throw em like a baseball into an S curve flight that’s a bit less predictable than a straight snap.
Perfectly articulated, all your videos doesn’t show how to throw perfectly on day1 . It teaches a process that you have to put in practice that will make u better player down the lane . I am the perfect example , I had zero forehand due to my shoulder injury but nowadays I throw consistent 250 ft forehand .. thanks to you scott
We are so excited to see the living root bridges you told us about!!!
One of the best teachers in the game. An amazing reminder: not everyone who is a professional at something is ALSO a good teacher. Scott is both.
I focus on strength and mobility training 2 days prior to any round I intend to go throw sidearms. 48-72 hours prior seems to be ideal for me. For sidearms, I focus on bicep curls, shoulder extensions, triceps, single-leg squats and core exercises. Stretching with an elastic band a few minutes prior to throwing is a must for me now. I've had too many injuries. Using resistance bands works wonders and reduces the likelihood for injuries as it simulates flexion and extension of tendons and supporting muscle groups, unlike dumbbells, which are the same weight throughout the range of an exercise movement. Wish I had known all of this in my twenties.
52 year old here , who only threw RHBH untill I got back into the sport in 2017 , they used to be called "Tricks Shots" in the 90's !!!
Your technique has me throwing RHFH and has taken 2 strokes off my round at the local course I play. I can now birdy 2 holes I never could with RHBH.
Thank you Scott
Scott I just want to say that I recently started playing disc golf again after many years off, I’m 44 years old now and could never side arm properly. After watching your videos I just went out today and was cranking 350 foot side arms with zero wobble! Thank you, thank you thank you!
I have watched literally hundreds of videos on how to properly throw, but no one explains as in depth, and as simple as you do! In less than a day I have corrected a years worth of terrible shots, and I can now throw a solid, straight, distance shot. Your explanations just make everything click. Thank you so much for the great insight! On too the backhand!
I started disc golf a year ago. I came from a handball background, so I believed my forehand would be good. However, it turned out everytime I threw it game out wobbly. Watching these videos helped me really much. What helped me the most was when I changed my mindset into "baseball". A low throwing arm like a whip. That was the first time I ever thew a disc across a football field with my forearm.
dude this guy is the goat. I was skeptical about his other video about serving the pizza, but I tried and put up my best score ever.
Im new to the sport and couldn’t throw a sidearm further than 150’ without flutter before I watched this. Im throwing easy 250’+ sidearms now with no flutter. Stokely is the man
I can’t wait to get out and throw sidearm. You are the reason of learning and liking disc golf. Learned my back hand technique from Scott. Like he says it’s not easy but the technique will work. Been playing for just over a month and super hooked
That’s for the video’s - I’m 52 and just starting disc golf ⛳️ what a blast I did not realize it is so much fun. I put my golf bag away for now and playing disc gold instead. I’m still terrible but getting better because of people like you.
I'm so glad you said that the elbow "just a little bit" in front of the wrist is okay. I tried throwing like Eagle and injured my elbow. Nine months of healing. Now I throw using your method, Scott, and my elbow is good. I basically "coast" through the point when my elbow is in front. Then I snap with the wrist. This gives me good throws, but no injuries.
In ultimate frisbee my side arm was my better throw with good distance but it's interesting how much it doesn't work with disc golf discs and I hurt my elbow. Certainly slowing it down and focusing on the wrist seems the way to go.
I'm so happy to see experienced teachers putting methods out that work. It would be a lot easier to just point out positions from a pro (that may or may not help folks) and call it a "technique tutorial". Putting in the teaching work to find success is so much harder and we appreciate your hard work Scott!!!
He's truly the greatest teacher. So impressive.
walked outside after seeing this tip and tried it. Elbow bent forwards, wrist cocked... man was it always this easy..? Ended up throwing it a few times to make sure it wasn't a fluke, and nope, it's just that easy to fix! Beautiful, straight shots every time! Awesome video, thanks for the help!
then I thought "well, his go really far and mine are flying straight, but not going super far..." Then I remembered the form you showed from another video, and tried adding that on, following through with the arm, 'throwing the ball'... and accidentally sailed it over my neighbor's fence lmfao.
Had my first backhand “snap” a few days ago, I was so excited! Haven’t noticed it on a forehand yet.
I'm 60 and have been playing for 3 years and don't have a sidearm shot...yet. I'm trying to get this down so when I take your seminar in April, I at least will have a head start. Thanks for the video, and I'll see you in Augusta!
My forehand has improved a ton after watching these videos!
You explain things in a way nobody else can!
Tried and tested now my forearm is a lethal weapon ---see what I did there? I come from a baseball pitcher background and can throw pretty hard. However I could not figure out how to get the energy into the disc to make it fly right, it's like I could throw it 300ft by just forcing it out there but the flight/good throw was not consistent. Watched this video, you made it make sense in my head how to do it, 2 min practice now I can throw bombs correctly. Thanks Stokes you're the man
The pendulum style helped with my first sidearm issue of skying my shots I pulled back like throwing a ball making my back swing be up near my head with elbow not leading. This video helped finish the fix. The tip with the pause to ensure the wrist clock and elbow position saved me. When I tried it I felt like everything clicked. It felt so natural. Thank you Scott for your amazing ability to simplify concepts makes working on things much easier!
That other video with the 2 types of FH backswings is really great advise!
This is such good teaching. He is the Paul McBeth of teaching,
I will try this next time I go into the field. I've been working hard on my backhand and knew I needed to work on the forehand. I get frustrated cause I feel like I know what I'm supposed to be doing with the backhand, it's just a matter of figuring it out.
With the forehand, it's been a bit of "I don't know what I don't know" and has been a lot of guessing, to the point where I'd considered just learning RHBH (LHBH predominant) instead of forehanding. So we'll see how this goes
Great video. This one showed the biggest mistake I make in throwing sidearm-the elbow too close to my body. Thanks very much!
Looking forward to trying out your suggestions soon. I really have no forehand to speak of, except for short scramble, flick shots. Hopefully, this 70 year old will develop a decent forehand by the time you see me at the Charlotte 2022 clinic.
Ok so my sidearm was nonexistent but always a work in progress after watching this video and some practice I now have a serviceable sidearm for shots upto 200 feet thanks Scott
Great tip to check your form. Will 1000% be using this.
Saw you at Disc Shack in Phoenix but didn't get to say hi and thank you for all the great content as I caught you when you were leaving.
Exactly what I needed! I do have a fair forehand , but not over 300 feet. And I know my disc is wobbling as I film myself a lot, and I don’t know how to fix it. gonna start practicing this method right away!!! Thank you heaps!!!!
You are a natural at teaching this stuff. Very well presented on camera
Just watched a handful of your videos Scott to try and improve my sidearm mechanics. I can consistently throw 300-350 ft sidearms but I learned to throw by tucking my elbow in and x-stepping on run up. Even though it's effective my biceps and brachioradialis are not happy after a full 18. Tomorrow I'll be putting in some fieldwork and getting a nice pendulum/windmill along with some of the other tips in your vids. I'll let you know how it goes boss.
Oh my, thank you very much. I'm getting to 344 ft with sidearm but there's some wobble, thus disc turning over at some point. I'll give this a go someday after I've finished working on my backhand :)
Very well done video. “Very simple but not easy”.. I like that.
It seems like I have the elbow out in front already and have decent form, but I still get quite a bit of wobble on many of my sidearm throws. He didn’t talk much about the cocking of the wrist.. maybe that’s just a simple task that I need to pay more attention to. Also, maybe there’s a vid that more specifically discusses the wrist action to get rid of wobble?
This video improved my forehand enormously.
I now throw a forehand almost as far as my backhand.
Which is my next goal to improve on.
Best wishes Scott.
I hope you turn up in Europe on your world tour!
Wish I understood this better during the seminar - definitely clicked more watching this video! Thank you for another great lesson!
Great video Scott sidearm is definitely what I need the most work on this year!!!
One of my favorite pros to hear discuss form. I always pick up something from Scott's videos
This did wonders for my power forehand. Thank you Scott!
Nice followup from the 1st video of yours I ever watched. "Windmill vs pendulum"
One problem with fixing wobble/form is your distance control can get completely ruined.
Expect alot more going long till you get that dialed back gain. 😀
I'm almost at the point where I'm going backhand only because my forehand is terrible.
But I'll give this method a shot. I'll get back to you on the results.
Thx for giving me hope to save my forehead.
I'm really excited for this. Your last sidearm video helped me go from no side arm to a utility sidearm to what is now something I can use as a legitimate throw choice on the course. I'm still getting some wobble so working on what you've said will be great! Hopefully I start to see improvements.
It's the old adage; Practice Makes Progress.
Just an add-on to what Scott has taught here and on the other sidearm videos as of late (which has improved my forearm immensely) is to MAKE ABSOLUTELY SURE that you are tucking the disc all the way (tightly) into the webbing between your thumb and index finger. I was used to more of a fingertip (or like 2/3 of the way back) to throw sidearm, with my utility forehand upshot (before having any kind of decent forehand drive) , and not tucking it all the way, and when transferring that grip to throwing a drive, you will nearly ALWAYS get wobble, aka off axis torque (OAT.) I have retrained my forehand whether its a full throw or a toned back upshot, to making sure the disc is tucked. I had to re-learn my aim because with the disc coming out smooth now, I get a lot longer of a turn or straight, before the disc begins to fade, but its still in good flight, due to not loosing speed from the wobble. Hope this helps someone! This important detail is in plenty of forehand videos, i just kept forgetting to implement it when i got out on the course. Cheers!
@@RudiBega That sounds absolutely plausible, thanks for that extra tip! The more you tuck the disc in, the closer it is to the axis of rotation of your wrist. Which, I think, increases the speed with what you are able to rotate (snap) the wrist and that should lead to giving the disc more rotation.
Also, bringing it closer to the wrist's axis should make it easier to keep it in the swing plane to avoid wobble.
Thank you very much Scott Stokely. I love your patient, methodical and understandable mannerisms. I'm 52 years old and started enjoying disc golf about 3 years ago. I used to have flutter problems, but I worked those out and my problem right now is hand turning over too much and shots going out towards the left (I'm right handed). I think the "don't telephone during windmill windup" will help me a lot. Just practiced a few tosses into the pillow in my camper, and I'm feeling more spin and flatter release. I'm pretty excited to try this outside tomorrow!
The ‘windmill’ worked for me, thanks!
Rely heavily on my forehand game. Your method of instructions is top notch. Solid. Wasn’t necessarily looking for advice here but will gladly accept it. So much clearer instruction than my “like skipping stones”(end of lesson)lol.
Thank you Scott. Every round your name comes up in conversation. You are a legend.
Awesome video. I’m stopping on my forearm from now on!
Great tips Scott. Among these tips the thing that helped me the most (to get rid of wobble) was to follow through with my fingers and palm facing up. Rolling my wrist in the follow through resulted in off axis torque in the disc = wobble.
OMG I believe you just solved my OAT issue that has been plaguing me forever. Now my old a$$ needs to get more arm flexibility. Thanks so much for identifying and articulating this issue better than anyone.
Your tutorials have taught me so much and made me much more disciplined. I hope I get to meet you this season 🙏
Thanks for this! Wobble hasn't been much of a factor in my forehand but I have been working on the pendulum swing. The very first time I hit it right I saw distance improvement. It feels super awkward at first though but its becoming more and more comfortable to me.
Thank you for the refresher! The side arm is an ongoing on again off again issue for me. much appreciated!
Ty for the video, last round I played all my sidearms were rollers , will be trying your method. Also will be seeing you @ Idlewild seminar 🥳
I’m surprised he didn’t mention upper body position. Leaning over will help angel the elbow where it is supposed to be and feel more natural than having your arm all twisted back. Ether way great video! Love Scott’s stuff.
Your videos have helped me improve soo much, felt snap on my backhand for the first time, and instantly knew what you were talking about. Time to work on my forehand, then distance on both.
Wobble and snap have always been very erratic for me, sometimes there, and sometimes not. Now I know why. My upshots are usually very good, my drives are frequently quite poor. Recently, I have just got it in my mind that I would upshot from the tee. This is improving my game immensely. I believe my "half the groceries" upshot gets me more distance with less effort because when I throw less than maximum, I throw correctly. When I tense up and give it everything, form goes out the window.
Not surprising, but now I know why. Thank you!
Gonna take some of this to the field I need some major help with my forehand and wobbles are a big issue
Thank You sir... I'm 2 years in and because of you I have a sidearm that I feel comfortable with now.
Hey are you still doing the virtual coaching? I am very interested in this!!!
I've learned alot of my technique from you and your TH-cam videos over the years! I've been watching your videos a long time, when I started playing u had just made or posted that discraft video where the younger looking guys were throwing up the hill on that one hole that Casey white threw the tilt in on...looks kinda like a uphill driving range, I always forget the name of that course, but anyways if you are still doing the virtual teaching I'm all in!
Thanks man!
Wish I had seen this before mid October! Just started playing this year and I want to make good habits now as opposed to trying to break bad habits later!! Will be taking these suggestions!
as always, really great tips! looks like a beautiful location where you were filming
I watch a lot of disc golf instruction. Your video on the right foot planting first on RRBH (the "snap" video) and this one are instant fixes for me when things are going wrong (as they often are😂). I tried this yesterday on short (to avoid big run up or backswing issues) FHs and it was an instant massive improvement.
Thanks again, Scott. I'm happy with my FH for the most part, but it's a bit inconsistent. I'm gonna try this and let you know of the results.
Thank you Scott!
I throw mostly forehand and just a couple weeks ago the wobble showed up again. I think it’s in my elbow placement and maybe slightly too loose of a grip
Thanks for a great vlog mr Stokely! I have learned a lot from your videos in the past but this one gave me result the fastest. Coming from the sport of handball the sidearm through felt natural from the start (it resembles a handball underarm shot) when starting discgolf 2 years ago. But this summer my sidearm didn´t work as usual. I got wobbly results and often made unintentional rollers. This made me almost stop using the sidearm (except for rollers). But at the first try after watching this video I am back into sidearms again. After 30 min I also made the furthest trough I ever made using a midrange disc. Thanks again and please continue making great videos.
You are so good at this. It's very obvious that you have helped so many others with their form. Always a treat man. Got a lot of great advice. Going out tomorrow to work on my feeble forehand. Thanks and all the best. Looking forward to the next one. Cheers 👌👍
Anyone else notice the small cloud form out of nowhere in the background starting at 4:28 and then disappear at 8:16?? Awesome forehand video too
I tried sidearm for the first time yesterday and as you probably guessed it didn't go well at all. I am really excited to start practicing and getting better at sidearm with this advice you gave me. Thank you a lot! 👍
Thank you Scott! Can't wait to work on this. You have an excellent way of saying what matters.
Dude! You just gave me a ding ding moment..been struggling with my sidearm...I'm pretty sure it's starting with my elbow back..cuz sometimes it flies..and others times not at all.
I have the flexibility and am always focusing on leading with the elbow, but still have the wobbles. Stopping at the backswing and making sure the disc is on the desired plane is definitely my next thing to try. Thanks!!
Thanks for the tip Scott! Going to apply this to my game tomorrow.
Oh man. Mid way through last year I decided to reincorporate my forehand in practice and I think your last video on forehand form helped me a ton. since winter has hit and I am throwing less, even less than less for forehand, I find I have lost it again. I think I forgot this key point you are talking about here and will keep trying. I do have a question to add though; how do I get a good clean hyzer line with the forehand? I usually can only get a turnover or sometimes a nice touch stall approach. Anything else, especially with power is just a slice right into the ground.
I'll do a video about that!
@@ScottStokelyDG Awesome! looking forward to it.
Scott this is one of your best, at least for me. Thank you!
I just tried it and while it definitely eliminates wobble, I have control issues with it, so I'll have to work on it. But I was juicing my putters across my side yard (about 100') with very little effort. But I am seeing a lot more potential here for improving my distance (a weak point for my sidearm). Thank you, Scott!
I was finally able to consistently get clean throws with the lefty forehand because of this video. Hopefully I can lock it down for good.
Wow, totally worked for me in just a few attempts! Great advice
It makes me wonder if you know all the medical/physical shit that happens to the shoulder with your technique.... Using your technique showed me that BOTH movements lock the shoulder into the socket tightly...its the twist of the elbow... Completely helped me with why sometimes my shoulder felt like it was being ripped off, and sometimes smooth as butter... Thanks Stokely 😊🤜🏼💥🤛🏼
Thanks Scott. This is very helpful.
Hey there Scott. Was at your clinic in WI this summer. You diagnosed that my forearm issues were from mobility. I have been trying to improve but was wondering if you could ask Seth from disc golf strong if he had any specific ideas. Thanks
I'm pumped to go try this. Great analysis and breakdown of form, as usual
Please give us some stretches for this, Scott! :-)
Fantastic video, thank you!
Update - took this tip out to the course on Weds and it instantly improved both the accuracy and distance of my forehands. No more 'misfires' where the disc wobbles off left (RHFH). I've been practicing indoors with a FlighTowel and am seeing some major improvements on my noodle FH.
Andrew, gonna try to find a link for a specific partner-assisted shoulder/elbow stretch for you. I'm 50, thick muscled, and have thrown baseballs and frisbees since age 5-- not ONE arm injury in all that time. Plus, you'll improve that "elbow" forward flex. So check back if interested.
Those vids are sooo helpful. Thank you Scott.
Great video, Scott! The problem I have is a past shoulder injury that likes to haunt me from time to time. This is why I do more backhand throws and use the sidearm for utility shots. If I dump power into my sidearm my shoulder instantly let's me know. Rotator cuff injuries suck!
This is a video I have been looking for for so long!
What would be some good stretches to gain mobility for this
Thanks!
This is solid gold advice. Thanks Scott!
Thank you!!!!!
Thank you Scott, super helpful and I’m “Stoked” to put it into practice 👍👍
Going to give this a try. My biggest problem seems to be the rim scraping against my knuckle on my index finger and coming out wobbly. I have been using a pinch grip with no fingers in the rim for the 14 years I’ve been playing. I can throw around 300 with some accuracy and have thrown 400 a few times but I would like to have a standard sidearm in my arsenal as well.
Thank you for sharing your wisdom
Awesome video, I've been trying to practice my forehand finally, getting some decent results with my understable discs on hyper flips. I think a struggle for some including myself is shoulder mobility getting that elbow in front. The other big struggle I have is turning the disc over into a roller.
I have the roller problem to, based on this video it sounds like if you get the disc in the plain your gonna throw it will work. More 9 o’clock than 11 o’clock. Also sounds like it’s the easier problem to solve than getting the elbow in the right place 1st
Yeah, for me mobility is a huge problem after I started weightlifting. I just can't lead with the elbow more then just it being a tiiiiiiny way in front of my hand. Have a hard time finding routines to fix my mobility. Same goes for my wrist mobility. I can't release "nose down" backhand due to this problem anymore. Ugh.
I think this should help my sidearm. I'm guessing a lot of my wobble comes from not getting enough snap compared to the overall disc speed. My wife has a good side arm (from playing ultimate), but I'm not sure she can throw it very far because she is mostly relying on the wrist snap and a bit of body twist, and not much arm snap. Getting that arm snap and wrist snap lined up has been hard on any shot longer than an approach shot with a Zone.
Thanks for that, something more to practice (only started playing 2 months ago)
Off axis torque right? Beautiful background
I was having trouble with the pendulum style backswing and I'm pretty sure this is the reason why!
I think that my elbow being behind my wrist then quickly jumping ahead before I throw was causing me to release on alot more hyzer than I wanted or just throwing my angle and swing off all together!
It's like I wld do a perfect backswing, then lift my elbow up (behind wrist) then bam go to throw and elbow back ahead which all together causes the disc to pretty much flip upside down then back over.
When I do my old backswing (or lack there of) I don't pull my elbow up, so I had pretty much gone back to the old way after trying the pendulum for a little while.
STOKED to go try this out tomorrow!
Get it STOKED ahhahahaha
Finally got snap for the first time the other day...came from reaching out and not back. You can fix the rest at the Seminar next Summer 😁
We all love Scott Stokely
Howdy my friend. Thanks for adding in that "as we get older" part. I finally managed to get my elbow in front and my arm locked up. Lol. Geesh. Anyways a question from #3948. I mentioned I was thinking of getting back into the sport (for exercise) and noticed some discs have 3 or 4 numbers on them. Of course I know the terminology of disc golf but what do the #s represent and are they always in the. Same order? Thanks bro
Splendid tutorial! Thank you!
I’m a predominantly RHFH player (400’+) and my biggest tips that work for me are don’t change the angle (chicken wings) and snap from the hip for distance. Don’t try to get your snap too far past your hip or it will lead to a grippier release that turns over into a throwler with less spin/power. Pop the hip out, stay low and crack it with all your power/wrist snap from the hip. When you get the timing right, you know. That’s when you’re firing on all cylinders. My method works for me using straighter high speed drivers. Lots of people throw overstable drivers for flicks and throw em like a baseball into an S curve flight that’s a bit less predictable than a straight snap.