One of the Bazzite maintainers here, really enjoyed the video (both as subscriber and maintainer) and i am happy that you enjoy Bazzite. About the issues with the kun (and other ayaneo devices) There are licensing issues with the speaker firmware, we cant include it with the OS itself so it has to be installed upon by the user (this is bad we know, but this was the only alternative we had). so sadly with ayaneo devices you will have to open the terminal and run "ujust install-speaker-firmware" which will download and install the speaker firmware for you so that it will work on next boot. For the rest of the buttons to work, we have to literally reverse engineer the button inputs and implement them in HHD (handheld daemon), we cannot do that without help from someone who has physical access to said device (or the manufacturer ships one to our devs). PS: "ujust" is a script runner that we use so that there is 1 command for all our custom scripts, you can use "ujust --choose" to see them and the source or to select/search for which one to run. or just run "ujust" to see all the commands in a normal help style and what arguments they support for skipping command line dialog boxes.
How suitable is Bazzite as a PC desktop replacement for Windows? I do more than just game on my PC, and would like to abandon Windows before I'm forced on 11. Also, no Nvidia support? Is this a licensing issue like the above problem?
@@bakakafka4428it's nearly perfect. The proprietary Nvidia drivers are pre-installed and pre-configured if you choose the Nvidia Bazzite image. I've put it on several Nvidia desktops, both in my house and in the homes of friends The one caveat is that handheld style "game mode" does not work with Nvidia cards because of their proprietary and closed source nature, however you get a very similar experience on desktop by just putting steam in big picture mode.
@@bakakafka4428 there is nvidia support, however you get desktop only. you dont get the deck/htpc interface and integration due to nvidia driver issues (which nvidia has to fix). To answer your question, it depends on what you do. the best way to find out is to just try it on a spare disk somewhere or a spare laptop and see what you can do and what requires alternatives. If we disregard specific software needs. Bazzite is perfectly fine as a desktop OS like any other OS, but we cannot conjure up support for software that do not work on linux or that the developers of said software do not make work on linux (like photoshop). But if you rely on software that is packaged for lets say fedora, arch, ubuntu/debian, etc. You can run it on bazzite using distrobox which then just runs the software inside a container that integrates seamlessly with your system.
@@HikariKnight Thanks! I'll give it a try. Is Nvidia planning on fixing their stuff for Linux (I hear they have improved their drive attitude) or is this something I should not count on to improve?
Im curious if bazzite is capable of running the modified installers for pirated windows games. I know I used to be able to get them installed with lutris but controller support was non existent. Does someone know if lutris can be used on rog ally and have the controller actually work?
The biggest problem across Linux is that there's too many people working on different but similar things Like you said, all the SteamOS-like spin offs should recognize the gains that Bazzite has made and just consolidate their efforts working on that There's so much effort and talent going to different things that you wonder what could happen if they just all came together
I‘ve been using linux as a dual boot since at least the early 2000s. Have been sticking mostly to ubuntu and in recent years arch or manjaro. Not saying i am an expert, but could usually make things work. When I got an ROG Ally, Windows 11 was quite the nuisance and was replaced completely with a clean bazzite install. I had heard about Fedora and Red Hat linux, but wasn’t aware of the move to flatpacks in recent years which seems to be rolling out to all distros. To my surprise, installing software often came with its own 500mb „platform“ based on a specific version or build in order to avoid Dependancy hell. And that seems very wasteful. I read some quite heated discussions on forums with people defending and criticizing this approach. But it seems the rationale for this was the huge effort required by developers to package their software for all different distributions. Which begs the question, why didn’t they choose rpm or deb? AUR seems to have everything, as it is basically compiled from source… guess this is just something inherent with sepsrate open source projects without a centralized decision making process.
It's a necessity imo. These people inherently can't even work together because of conflicting personalities. Two people will be working on the same thing but have fundamentally different approaches and philosophies behind why they are coding it differently. They would never be able to put those differences aside to work together because it would consist of one side saying yea my code and approach is shit so I'm going to scrap it to work on your project. Just won't happen. We need everyone taking their own approach to the same solution to have a battle of ideas and see which one comes out on top anyway. It's good to have multiple methods of achieving the same goal so we can see the pros and cons of everything and develop further based on that. It gives us more paths to choose from. The real solution is to make more people developers.
In software development you can't just add more developers to get things done "better and faster" especially not open source software. Often the limitations are good software architecture design and project management.
Honestly, with the windows 11 mandatory transition coming on, i swapped to bazzite about a month ago, and it has been the best linux expeirence i have had. Not every game works, but so many of them do now I barely notice it!
@@bakakafka4428 i can only really talk from my own experiences and work loads. The standard office suite stuff is great, but that's been sorted on linux for ages. I do music and some light graphic design, but it comes with krita, and the device drivers for my admittedly very old tablet worked really simply. Had to get to grips with lmms on the music side but it wasnt so strange as to be impossible.
Just testing Bazzite for the first time. It is amazing. I got an Atari VCS for $99 on Cyber Monday so I’ve turned it into a cute little Steam Machine and I’m giving it to my brother for Christmas.
yea bazzite is amaizing(and yes im biased i was part of the overall project, but apart of another team,that creates bazzite) team is dedicated and tech behind it absolutly rocks
I was dreading switching my spouse’s Aya Neo Air over from ChimeraOS to Bazzite tomorrow because of how unpolished the experience was on the former. What a timely video. I can’t wait to finally be able to adjust that TDP and turn those damn lights off.
Bazzite works really well and has come a long way since it was introduced. ChimeraOS works?okay, but Bazzite is far better especially when you need to utilize the desktop. I’ve had far less issues with BazziteOS
there is a severe lack of polish with chimera os. the gamepadUI mode is great, the desktop SUCKS. And as you said, missing key features that are important on handhelds
Most of the button mapping and TDP controls for other handhelds are done by the bazzite team. If you have a handheld that they have not handled yet, you can go to their forums so the community can add support. Also, shipping Bazzite for commercial purposes could have legal issues as it contains media codecs and drivers that are not royalty-free or patent encumbered. Its why upcoming handhelds opt for SteamOS. Still tho I think shipping with SteamOS is miles better than having Windows, and advanced users can make more of it by installing Bazzite if they want to!
@CraftComputing Jeff, this was an excellent video discussion! Over at TPU, some of us were discussing SteamOS alts and I happened upon Bazzite, gave it a try and then posted about it. It really is very well done and if the devs can give it that little bit of extra polish, it would be an exceptional alt for Windows.
nice they include sunshine but they should also include moonlight. also i was wondering why chimera stopped getting love, it sounds like the difference is the handheld support
its in the app store. In regards to ChimeraOS and Bazzite, on a HTPC i would always say to try both and use the one you prefer as they both accomplish the same thing in the end. For handhelds both Bazzite and ChimeraOS use completely different approaches to handle handheld controller input without going too technical.
I’ve tried Bazzite but had too many issue on 1 of my pc, its good with steam but minecraft would crash or other bugs keep asking to login all the time. Other issue is bazzite feel slow sometimes for no reason. I'm sure on an handheld it would be great but on desktop no sure. I've went to majaro linux and all work perfect.
heroic game launcher is an alternative to lutris and is gamepad freindly, I use it instead of lutris only because of the ui, it has all the features that lutris have
Having sunshine served to you like that just won me over, im going to give this a try. Sunshine has been a pain for me to get running on my nobara gaming pc, although it is running an nvidia gpu so that could be an issue still.
I installed bazzite first time last week on my modest htpc and the fun part is being able to swap out gpu and cpu to get it to a sweat spot for my liking. I started with a 2gb Radeon pro card with 16gb ddr4 and r5 3600. Ran great with indie games and ordered a cheap rx 480 8g for 45 euros and now its great at 1080 and plays anything really at 30 frames or above. The card has dual bios so might try to flash it to a 580 if I think its worth the bother. Best thing about it is the theatre experience and sleep mode from power button like steam deck. Great fun for someone who likes to tinker a little. I've had 2 main issues I've not yet resolved. First is that it wont copy or install games on my nvme either from the motherboard or via external usb case. Second is that I must enable the Hdmi audio output every time I boot. But hopefully with a bit of search ill figure it out. I would really recommend for those who get a kick from this kind of thing especially if you have the parts lying around. Dust off those old gpus maybe. Thanks for a great video.
Great segment Jeff so i actually switched over form having a i9-9900k with a GTX 1660 6GB and 64GB of DDR4 to now using a Ryzen 5 5600 with a MSI AMD RX 6600 8GB with 32GB been 10 years or so since my last AMD build and have to say there been a lot of improvements and being able to use this ASUS Prime B550m-A WiFi II which funny enough came from a friend who found the parts in a burned house with no damage has been a huge benefit. I may not have a Steam Deck but I do have a NVIDIA Sheild Portable which can still use Steam Link at almost 75 (Mbps) for handheld gaming via 5Ghz as well as a used Quest 2 that is replacing my now died Rift S I used for 5 years. Do these Steam OS's support VR via Steam Link or is that only a full linux OS or Windows?
Used it on PC for a few months. Can't stand one of the main devs, but it's a good OS although I switched to the non-gaming focused Aurora instead recently. Bazzite rocks though. Glad to see a good vid about it for a change tbh
It's great for most handhelds. The only issue I have is in regular PCs if your a Nvidia user. I like my 4060, but at this time I can only use the Desktop variant of the OS. The HTPC variant with the SteamOS functionality is not doable at this time. I know this is mostly Valve's fault breaking the compatibility while not fixing it in a timely manner, but still I would love to see Bazzite try to tackle it in their place (and succeed). Still Bazzite is a real game changer now. You can now build a ultra budget PC with used old parts that Microsoft will not let you use with 11 (without major caveats), and a RX480/580 for under $200 and still be able to play thousands of games on the cheap. Frankly for the income strapped gamer this makes it perfect to get into PC gaming on the cheap.
I would recommend trying to find an RX6600 at this point, but you are spot on with your analysis. I have my now very old 6700k desktop PC in my living room, its running Arch Linux purely because Windows 11 doesn't support the hardware. I paired it with an RX6600, and I am genuinely surprised by how capable that GPU is. Though I have moved all my main systems over to Linux since recall was announced, that is a security nightmare waiting to happen. Only system that is dedicated to Windows is my workstation, and purely because I invested in Elgato PCIe capture cards and the Linux compatible alternatives are WAY too expensive. I do also have a Windows drive in my main system just for games that require invasive anti cheat solutions. I very rarely use it though. Ive used Linux on and off since 2005, now that gaming has become so easy on it, its a no brainer to use it on older hardware as an alternative to Windows.
@@SongDesire I went from a RX6600 to a RTX 4060 ITX that would be a pointless downgrade. I would consider going to the RX7600 however AMD & their board partners have not released a ITX version for some dumb reason (I need a under 200mm sized card). While there is a RX6600 XT ITX out there however the only way to get one is through 3rd party sellers at around $400 (or more). No thank you. AMD needs more variety in sizes.
I've been running Bazzite on my Legion Go, has been near flawless aside from some minor bugs I've experienced, but it was well worth to get the ease of use vs Windows
I've been watching you for years and your intro NEVER bothered me! I actually like it. Everybody has their own style of doing things, like @DirkStrange said below, it's your brand 😉 Haters gonna hate, that's all they do 😂 You keep being awesome Jeff, cheers!
I've been running Bazzite on my desktop for months (since the announcement of Windows Recall), and installed it on the Legion Go I picked up on an early Black Friday deal.
Bazzite is great. Had it running on a living room itx build for a while. Who needs a console? Almost full steam library available, fully accessed on the TV with a controller
14:51 no sound? Did you have it plugged into a USB dock at the time you installed Bazzite? Did you use an external monitor that had speakers (or headphone jack)? It's possible the OS redirected audio to an external audio device and assumed that was the default. Should be simple enough to tell where to output the audio once it's disconnected from the USB dock/hub. I know on my Steam Deck i can redirect audio to the TV I have it connected to, or the internal speakers of the Deck.
Nah the ayaneo devices has speaker firmware we are not allowed to include in the OS build, has to be installed *by the user*, so there is an ujust command to install the speaker firmware that has to be manually run :(
I circled Bazzite for a while as the OS for my new desktop PC, I still have the ISO sitting here "just in case." I eventually settled on Nobara but if not for a few hitches (like I wanted to avoid the terminal as much as possible) it would have been the move not even talking about just a handheld OS.
I would recommend re-downloading the isos if it has been a few months so that you avoid getting a giant update on the first boot (as we managed to shrink the update sizes a few months back). and if the ISOs are from before July 2nd, definitively update them as those old ISOs will install a system that will be unable to update without you running a manual fix.
@@HikariKnight Good point. I had a disk mounting problem after the first week in Nobara because I added a new drive to the computer, took two people in their discord and the Ventoy disk with the version I installed to fix the problem, meanwhile people were already discussing the new update. So I'll probably redownload both of them today.
If it weren't because i still use my desktop pc for more than gaming, i may consider installing this, but... just installed openSuse after bashing my head with debian, and it's been going fine for now.
I tried Bazzite on desktop and it was really weird. I have two monitors on my PC and it treated the 2nd as if I had tiny steam deck screen. The 2nd display is 1080p, but it rendered everything super small and canted on screen, and also treated it as the main display with the task bar. My main display worked fine but no task bar. Telling bazzine which screen was primary did nothing, disconnecting the 2nd monitor also did nothing. No i wasn't using the steam deck/portable build, i was using the desktop build. Also it just felt slower than my actual steam deck connected to a 1080p monitor in desktop mode.
It's probably something to do with switching between game mode/desktop/gamescope or maybe Wayland. Don't know, one of those probably. The system isn't really configured, out of the box, for your specific set up. Sounds like Stock Fedora Workstation KDE would be a better fit in your situation. You can just download all the gaming toys from the software store.
We've been promised a version of Steam OS that is installable on generic PCs from the beginning. At this point, I'm getting tired of waiting. Meanwhile, if there's a demand a new Linux distro (or two, or three) will pop up to fill it. As right here with Bazzite and others in place of an official Steam OS by Valve.
Works on desktops, handhelds and laptops. There is an iso selector on the website that you just fill in the hardware and it will help you select the correct install.
@@moralreality7328 It's going to work fine on any recent gen AMD cpu, RDNA graphics and Intel wifi. Laptops, that's always a maybe unless you buy a Linux one.
Chimera os looked good on paper until i tried it and realized my ROG Ally had lost access to full TDP configurations on the fly. Also, the desktop experience isn't great and for some reason chimera wouldn't let me load an ntfs external drive because ntfs-3g was blacklisted by default or something, so i couldn't transfert a keepass file i needed. Bazzite on the other hand is fully functionnal however, i ran into odd bugs here and there lately, one of them of which was confirmed to be a bug due to upstream fedora 41. the bug in question was when i switched to desktop, steam would fail to load what's needed to emulat a kb and mouse with the controller resulting in buttons that wouldn't work. I went back to windows for now
The last few updates have really screwed the battery life on the ROG ally for me (hr even on 10w silent) so I've gone back to windows. Was thoroughly enjoying it previously however
I just wish there was some free OS out there that can run not just all my Windows games, but all of the apps I use too. I've tried WINE and it only runs about 80% of it all and I need ALL of it to work. It's that 20 odd percent that dont work that prevent me from switcvhing to Linux.. Aslo I don't know WHAT I've inadvertantley doen, but I can't see jack sh*t of wht I'm typing here becase the font I'm typing this comment is is black, on a balck background. What the hell did I Do to make this happen?
I already use Bazzite on my work/travel laptop, and the only thing keeping me from switching permanently is the lack of a good splitscreen app (a la Nucleus Co-op) that I can use to play Halo with family while away from home. For some reason AlphaRing has glitchy visuals for me, so it's no alternative. Very disappointing.
I'm doing a ton of gaming in VMs based on this channel. I have not been able to get Bazzite to run under Proxmox. It will install, but will never launch. Same for ChimeraOS
@nunchucker Possibly. I am mostly using EndeavourOS with KDE Plasma 6. I installed the ChimeraOS Gamescope session on top of it, but I'm having issues with it, too. The Gamescope session will launch into SteamOS with HDR, but launching a game just makes the whole screen turn black. Launching Gamescope under Wayland works, but there's a lot of crashes, especially if I use Mangoapp
I'm worried about this though, if bazzite is an option along side steamos, but bazzite is better, but steamos is a more recognized game, there doesn't seem to be a better option.
Problem is, a lot of games use DRM which only work on Windows, especially for multiplayer games or some big AAA games which require launchers and always-on requirements and of course, that's like, ALL of the popular games i play :(
Yes, it’s a limiting factor for sure, mostly because developers refuse to find a solution for linux or use Valves. But it is what it is. I am perfectly happy playing single player and emulators. Demons Souls for PS3 runs like butter on Rog Ally at 60fps under bazzite 😊
DRM works on linux but when switching proton can trigger easier for it to temporarily block launching. U must have meant AC support witch indeed for now its in a crysis for now on linux..
Hey Carlos... Is somebody forcing you to watch this channel? How about you just stop watching the channel instead of posting a pointless and dare I say... "cringey and irritating" comment.
@@SchlumplesSchlumolomus-u9u acording to the guy that never gave his permition to invade my pc its my propertie they have no bussnis keyloging me and spying.the software i pay for is mine and on my computer and not in the cloud..giving up dependecies to third parties is always a bad idea with whatever in life)..keep droping the quality see what happens its already barely better then linux these days....The market is ripe for disruption...an MS will never have seen there market share drop so fast if a real alternative is offerd...
The OS isn't in the cloud. When the devs say "cloud native," they mean that it is using technology that was built with the same tools make things easier for cloud compute, like docker and GitHub actions. It's confusing terminology for sure, but rest assured, it is an entirely local and private operating system.
Are there any solutions to address those of us fools who have purchases games across so many stores? I know of Heroic but I doubt there will ever be a functional Xbox store on these devices?
I’ve tried a bunch of Linux distros but I end up switching back to windows due to experience. Linux always ends up having some kind of limitation. Windows has its bugs but I can always get kinks to work. Linux requires too many command knowledge that isn’t intuitive to a windows thinker. Once steamOS truly releases then I’ll give it another try.
In my experience, The functionality for everything non-gaming is pretty similar on the surface. Bazzite is far more resilient though. It's really hard to mess it up, and the image-based backend is much better for security and stability. They also include some really amazing quality of life features that I've never seen in Linux before,, especially their suite of "ujust" commands that will take care of configuring optional programs and settings that would otherwise be a huge pain.
@ Potentially. Or someone will just make disk images and dumps of SteamOS for people to download. People want SteamOS badly enough they’re willing to trust third parties with giving them the images.
There are a lot of benefits to Bazzite that Valve won't be able to include without overstepping as a corporation. The Fedora image-based backend is just better, and there are tons of quality of life features that Bazzite includes for individual programs and desktop software such as ujust scripts for configuring speakers or installing a fully-configured version of OBS, or... pre-installed and current Nvidia drivers with full CUDA acceleration
@ Those NVIDIA drivers will likely be installed by default once Gamescope is confirmed to be working on NVIDIA GPUs, which is when SteamOS will be released to a wider user base.
I've gotta say, I tested Bazzite for about a week, and it was awful. For someone that uses one storage drive, and only plays Steam games, I can see why it's a great option, but as someone that downloads Fitgirl games and runs other launchers, Bazzite sucked.
I tried bazzite, but then found cachyos and with the gpd win mini I have loved it. It seems to have all the bazzite abilities but arch under the hood. I liked it so much I kicked windows off my desktop. Lol
Thanks for the video. Was wondering why you would recommend Lutris over Heroic games Lanucher? Lutris tried to install all the same games that I had on Heroic games launcher. Tried to instal all 8 games from Cyverpunk to fallout nv and non of the games would work, Lutris failed to install any of the games. HGL on the other hand clicked install waited click run, it would run or it would need a different proton or wine, if it needed a new wine try a different version till it would work, at most it would work after 2 - 3 tries. Lutris GUI is a mess, you have no idea what to do when installing and a popup, popup and you have no idea what it is asking.
I tried Lutris as it was preinstalled but was put off by the interface and the whole experience. Liked Heroic much better as i have a big collection at GOG. Tried also some Decky Plugins that would integrate the stores directly in Steam so you wouldn’t need to switch to desktop mode, but my installation somehow got messed up. So will stick to Heroic for now
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One of the Bazzite maintainers here, really enjoyed the video (both as subscriber and maintainer) and i am happy that you enjoy Bazzite.
About the issues with the kun (and other ayaneo devices)
There are licensing issues with the speaker firmware, we cant include it with the OS itself so it has to be installed upon by the user (this is bad we know, but this was the only alternative we had).
so sadly with ayaneo devices you will have to open the terminal and run "ujust install-speaker-firmware" which will download and install the speaker firmware for you so that it will work on next boot.
For the rest of the buttons to work, we have to literally reverse engineer the button inputs and implement them in HHD (handheld daemon), we cannot do that without help from someone who has physical access to said device (or the manufacturer ships one to our devs).
PS: "ujust" is a script runner that we use so that there is 1 command for all our custom scripts, you can use "ujust --choose" to see them and the source or to select/search for which one to run. or just run "ujust" to see all the commands in a normal help style and what arguments they support for skipping command line dialog boxes.
How suitable is Bazzite as a PC desktop replacement for Windows? I do more than just game on my PC, and would like to abandon Windows before I'm forced on 11. Also, no Nvidia support? Is this a licensing issue like the above problem?
thank you and the complegte bazzite team for your work. i am using it since several months on my desktop gaming rig and I could not be happier!
@@bakakafka4428it's nearly perfect. The proprietary Nvidia drivers are pre-installed and pre-configured if you choose the Nvidia Bazzite image. I've put it on several Nvidia desktops, both in my house and in the homes of friends
The one caveat is that handheld style "game mode" does not work with Nvidia cards because of their proprietary and closed source nature, however you get a very similar experience on desktop by just putting steam in big picture mode.
@@bakakafka4428 there is nvidia support, however you get desktop only. you dont get the deck/htpc interface and integration due to nvidia driver issues (which nvidia has to fix).
To answer your question, it depends on what you do. the best way to find out is to just try it on a spare disk somewhere or a spare laptop and see what you can do and what requires alternatives. If we disregard specific software needs.
Bazzite is perfectly fine as a desktop OS like any other OS, but we cannot conjure up support for software that do not work on linux or that the developers of said software do not make work on linux (like photoshop).
But if you rely on software that is packaged for lets say fedora, arch, ubuntu/debian, etc. You can run it on bazzite using distrobox which then just runs the software inside a container that integrates seamlessly with your system.
@@HikariKnight Thanks! I'll give it a try. Is Nvidia planning on fixing their stuff for Linux (I hear they have improved their drive attitude) or is this something I should not count on to improve?
Also, don't ever get rid your intro. It's part of your brand, and it's great :)
I love that you trolled Carlos
But *Iiiiiiiiiii'm* Jeff!
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Double down it "Ayyyyym", make it three times as long for a month!
Bazzite is amazing. I've switched ALL my machines to Bazzite (Gaming laptop, gaming desktop and Lenovo Legion Go)
I've imaged 4 machines so far, and there are MANY more to come. Super impressed with it so far.
I have my ally x installed with bazzite, but my laptop is nvidia. Isn't an amd gpu necessarily?
@@creaturecore13 no, they even have an iso built for Nvidia GPUs
You can run nVidia GPUs one the desktop version of Bazzite, but not the SteamOS-like interface.
Im curious if bazzite is capable of running the modified installers for pirated windows games. I know I used to be able to get them installed with lutris but controller support was non existent. Does someone know if lutris can be used on rog ally and have the controller actually work?
The biggest problem across Linux is that there's too many people working on different but similar things
Like you said, all the SteamOS-like spin offs should recognize the gains that Bazzite has made and just consolidate their efforts working on that
There's so much effort and talent going to different things that you wonder what could happen if they just all came together
Been a Linux user since kernel 0.96, that’s been the main challenge since day 1, that’ll never change.
I‘ve been using linux as a dual boot since at least the early 2000s. Have been sticking mostly to ubuntu and in recent years arch or manjaro. Not saying i am an expert, but could usually make things work. When I got an ROG Ally, Windows 11 was quite the nuisance and was replaced completely with a clean bazzite install. I had heard about Fedora and Red Hat linux, but wasn’t aware of the move to flatpacks in recent years which seems to be rolling out to all distros. To my surprise, installing software often came with its own 500mb „platform“ based on a specific version or build in order to avoid Dependancy hell. And that seems very wasteful. I read some quite heated discussions on forums with people defending and criticizing this approach. But it seems the rationale for this was the huge effort required by developers to package their software for all different distributions. Which begs the question, why didn’t they choose rpm or deb? AUR seems to have everything, as it is basically compiled from source… guess this is just something inherent with sepsrate open source projects without a centralized decision making process.
If everybody works on the same thing, the other thing that's 10x better will never get developed. In other words: neither approach is perfect
It's a necessity imo. These people inherently can't even work together because of conflicting personalities. Two people will be working on the same thing but have fundamentally different approaches and philosophies behind why they are coding it differently. They would never be able to put those differences aside to work together because it would consist of one side saying yea my code and approach is shit so I'm going to scrap it to work on your project. Just won't happen. We need everyone taking their own approach to the same solution to have a battle of ideas and see which one comes out on top anyway. It's good to have multiple methods of achieving the same goal so we can see the pros and cons of everything and develop further based on that. It gives us more paths to choose from.
The real solution is to make more people developers.
In software development you can't just add more developers to get things done "better and faster" especially not open source software. Often the limitations are good software architecture design and project management.
Honestly, with the windows 11 mandatory transition coming on, i swapped to bazzite about a month ago, and it has been the best linux expeirence i have had. Not every game works, but so many of them do now I barely notice it!
Does it work as a daily driver, not just for gaming?
@@bakakafka4428 i can only really talk from my own experiences and work loads. The standard office suite stuff is great, but that's been sorted on linux for ages. I do music and some light graphic design, but it comes with krita, and the device drivers for my admittedly very old tablet worked really simply. Had to get to grips with lmms on the music side but it wasnt so strange as to be impossible.
@@bakakafka4428 Absolutely
I don't see why not. They have desktop only image
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Just testing Bazzite for the first time. It is amazing. I got an Atari VCS for $99 on Cyber Monday so I’ve turned it into a cute little Steam Machine and I’m giving it to my brother for Christmas.
yea bazzite is amaizing(and yes im biased i was part of the overall project, but apart of another team,that creates bazzite) team is dedicated and tech behind it absolutly rocks
I was dreading switching my spouse’s Aya Neo Air over from ChimeraOS to Bazzite tomorrow because of how unpolished the experience was on the former. What a timely video.
I can’t wait to finally be able to adjust that TDP and turn those damn lights off.
I have the ayaneo air pro. How did yours go?
Bazzite works really well and has come a long way since it was introduced. ChimeraOS works?okay, but Bazzite is far better especially when you need to utilize the desktop. I’ve had far less issues with BazziteOS
there is a severe lack of polish with chimera os. the gamepadUI mode is great, the desktop SUCKS. And as you said, missing key features that are important on handhelds
Finally, an explanation why everyone's talking about bad sight and not the OG Chimera OS that predates the Steam Deck by years.
I went from windows to holoiso to holoiso immutable to chimeraos to bazziteos and finally settled on cachyos.
Replaced windows with Bazzite on my Legion Go. Absolutely love it.
Most of the button mapping and TDP controls for other handhelds are done by the bazzite team. If you have a handheld that they have not handled yet, you can go to their forums so the community can add support.
Also, shipping Bazzite for commercial purposes could have legal issues as it contains media codecs and drivers that are not royalty-free or patent encumbered. Its why upcoming handhelds opt for SteamOS. Still tho I think shipping with SteamOS is miles better than having Windows, and advanced users can make more of it by installing Bazzite if they want to!
@CraftComputing
Jeff, this was an excellent video discussion! Over at TPU, some of us were discussing SteamOS alts and I happened upon Bazzite, gave it a try and then posted about it. It really is very well done and if the devs can give it that little bit of extra polish, it would be an exceptional alt for Windows.
Never change your intro!!
I've used Linux for a long time, and after using Bazzite on my desktop it's very hard to go back to using traditional distros. It's just that good
nice they include sunshine but they should also include moonlight. also i was wondering why chimera stopped getting love, it sounds like the difference is the handheld support
its in the app store.
In regards to ChimeraOS and Bazzite, on a HTPC i would always say to try both and use the one you prefer as they both accomplish the same thing in the end.
For handhelds both Bazzite and ChimeraOS use completely different approaches to handle handheld controller input without going too technical.
I’ve tried Bazzite but had too many issue on 1 of my pc, its good with steam but minecraft would crash or other bugs keep asking to login all the time. Other issue is bazzite feel slow sometimes for no reason. I'm sure on an handheld it would be great but on desktop no sure.
I've went to majaro linux and all work perfect.
Ironic Windows lacks in the portable market considering it moved Windows into more mobile-like frameworks to run on it's surface tablet and phone.
Yes, how the turns have tabled 🙄
They still haven't ported all the settings to a touch GUI, 15 years later.
heroic game launcher is an alternative to lutris and is gamepad freindly, I use it instead of lutris only because of the ui, it has all the features that lutris have
Having sunshine served to you like that just won me over, im going to give this a try. Sunshine has been a pain for me to get running on my nobara gaming pc, although it is running an nvidia gpu so that could be an issue still.
I installed bazzite first time last week on my modest htpc and the fun part is being able to swap out gpu and cpu to get it to a sweat spot for my liking. I started with a 2gb Radeon pro card with 16gb ddr4 and r5 3600. Ran great with indie games and ordered a cheap rx 480 8g for 45 euros and now its great at 1080 and plays anything really at 30 frames or above. The card has dual bios so might try to flash it to a 580 if I think its worth the bother. Best thing about it is the theatre experience and sleep mode from power button like steam deck. Great fun for someone who likes to tinker a little. I've had 2 main issues I've not yet resolved. First is that it wont copy or install games on my nvme either from the motherboard or via external usb case. Second is that I must enable the Hdmi audio output every time I boot. But hopefully with a bit of search ill figure it out. I would really recommend for those who get a kick from this kind of thing especially if you have the parts lying around. Dust off those old gpus maybe. Thanks for a great video.
Great segment Jeff so i actually switched over form having a i9-9900k with a GTX 1660 6GB and 64GB of DDR4 to now using a Ryzen 5 5600 with a MSI AMD RX 6600 8GB with 32GB been 10 years or so since my last AMD build and have to say there been a lot of improvements and being able to use this ASUS Prime B550m-A WiFi II which funny enough came from a friend who found the parts in a burned house with no damage has been a huge benefit. I may not have a Steam Deck but I do have a NVIDIA Sheild Portable which can still use Steam Link at almost 75 (Mbps) for handheld gaming via 5Ghz as well as a used Quest 2 that is replacing my now died Rift S I used for 5 years. Do these Steam OS's support VR via Steam Link or is that only a full linux OS or Windows?
Used it on PC for a few months. Can't stand one of the main devs, but it's a good OS although I switched to the non-gaming focused Aurora instead recently. Bazzite rocks though. Glad to see a good vid about it for a change tbh
What's wrong with the dev ?
Bazzite is amazing. It looks like a SteamOS release might be around the corner though. So I’m going to wait for now
It's great for most handhelds. The only issue I have is in regular PCs if your a Nvidia user. I like my 4060, but at this time I can only use the Desktop variant of the OS. The HTPC variant with the SteamOS functionality is not doable at this time. I know this is mostly Valve's fault breaking the compatibility while not fixing it in a timely manner, but still I would love to see Bazzite try to tackle it in their place (and succeed).
Still Bazzite is a real game changer now. You can now build a ultra budget PC with used old parts that Microsoft will not let you use with 11 (without major caveats), and a RX480/580 for under $200 and still be able to play thousands of games on the cheap. Frankly for the income strapped gamer this makes it perfect to get into PC gaming on the cheap.
I would recommend trying to find an RX6600 at this point, but you are spot on with your analysis. I have my now very old 6700k desktop PC in my living room, its running Arch Linux purely because Windows 11 doesn't support the hardware. I paired it with an RX6600, and I am genuinely surprised by how capable that GPU is. Though I have moved all my main systems over to Linux since recall was announced, that is a security nightmare waiting to happen. Only system that is dedicated to Windows is my workstation, and purely because I invested in Elgato PCIe capture cards and the Linux compatible alternatives are WAY too expensive. I do also have a Windows drive in my main system just for games that require invasive anti cheat solutions. I very rarely use it though.
Ive used Linux on and off since 2005, now that gaming has become so easy on it, its a no brainer to use it on older hardware as an alternative to Windows.
@@SongDesire I went from a RX6600 to a RTX 4060 ITX that would be a pointless downgrade. I would consider going to the RX7600 however AMD & their board partners have not released a ITX version for some dumb reason (I need a under 200mm sized card). While there is a RX6600 XT ITX out there however the only way to get one is through 3rd party sellers at around $400 (or more). No thank you. AMD needs more variety in sizes.
@JeremyLeePotocki Sorry, I was replying to your recommendation for people to buy an rx480/580. I should I have clarified.
I've been running Bazzite on my Legion Go, has been near flawless aside from some minor bugs I've experienced, but it was well worth to get the ease of use vs Windows
I've been watching you for years and your intro NEVER bothered me! I actually like it. Everybody has their own style of doing things, like @DirkStrange said below, it's your brand 😉 Haters gonna hate, that's all they do 😂 You keep being awesome Jeff, cheers!
I've been running Bazzite on my desktop for months (since the announcement of Windows Recall), and installed it on the Legion Go I picked up on an early Black Friday deal.
The review bazzite deserved..It's amazing.
I think I will give this a try on the UM680 Slim I picked up. :D
Bazzite is great. Had it running on a living room itx build for a while. Who needs a console? Almost full steam library available, fully accessed on the TV with a controller
14:51 no sound? Did you have it plugged into a USB dock at the time you installed Bazzite? Did you use an external monitor that had speakers (or headphone jack)? It's possible the OS redirected audio to an external audio device and assumed that was the default. Should be simple enough to tell where to output the audio once it's disconnected from the USB dock/hub. I know on my Steam Deck i can redirect audio to the TV I have it connected to, or the internal speakers of the Deck.
Nah the ayaneo devices has speaker firmware we are not allowed to include in the OS build, has to be installed *by the user*, so there is an ujust command to install the speaker firmware that has to be manually run :(
The beer review was a bonus. 👍
You mentioned using apt or pacman via terminal to install lutris, and how painful that would be to do on a handheld. Why not use Discover?
Don't change your intro!!! I will have to give Bazzite a try!
im planning on putting bazzite on a surface pro 6 soon and i actually have pretty high hopes and think its going to be alot of fun
Sticking with Chimera OS for my desktop PC for now, it's been solid
ChimeraOS is a good choice, have run it in the past myself too. And if its not broken and it works, don't fix it right?
0:49 - 🤣Bro...I thought you forgot your name or something till I read that
Love your intro! Some idiots feel the need to take out their problems on some dank intros 😅
streaming games from another device with instaled game, and instaling from other devices is doable in bazzite?
I circled Bazzite for a while as the OS for my new desktop PC, I still have the ISO sitting here "just in case." I eventually settled on Nobara but if not for a few hitches (like I wanted to avoid the terminal as much as possible) it would have been the move not even talking about just a handheld OS.
I would recommend re-downloading the isos if it has been a few months so that you avoid getting a giant update on the first boot (as we managed to shrink the update sizes a few months back). and if the ISOs are from before July 2nd, definitively update them as those old ISOs will install a system that will be unable to update without you running a manual fix.
@@HikariKnight Good point. I had a disk mounting problem after the first week in Nobara because I added a new drive to the computer, took two people in their discord and the Ventoy disk with the version I installed to fix the problem, meanwhile people were already discussing the new update. So I'll probably redownload both of them today.
i mean, they also could save on Windows licenses and sell the handhelds for a more competitive price
MS pays these handheld corps to use Win 11
an 8 core chip inside a tiny handheld; what a nice time to witness it
And the best Troll of the year goooooeeees tooooo,,,,,Jeeeeefffff!
Troll, or simply clickbait?
I’ll add it’s a great entry point into Linux desktop gaming as well. I run it with a 3060 12 gig and it is awesome.
12:30 wouldn't offering Bazzite with their handheld units allow them to be sold for less since they aren't licencing a copy of Windows with it?
Yes
If it weren't because i still use my desktop pc for more than gaming, i may consider installing this, but... just installed openSuse after bashing my head with debian, and it's been going fine for now.
I see what you did there, never bothered me, but my speakers have not worked since 1999
Draw that intro out longer than Virgil Mastercard's laugh.
Suggestions for which linux os to load purely for gaming on a PC?
I tried Bazzite on desktop and it was really weird. I have two monitors on my PC and it treated the 2nd as if I had tiny steam deck screen. The 2nd display is 1080p, but it rendered everything super small and canted on screen, and also treated it as the main display with the task bar. My main display worked fine but no task bar. Telling bazzine which screen was primary did nothing, disconnecting the 2nd monitor also did nothing. No i wasn't using the steam deck/portable build, i was using the desktop build. Also it just felt slower than my actual steam deck connected to a 1080p monitor in desktop mode.
It's probably something to do with switching between game mode/desktop/gamescope or maybe Wayland. Don't know, one of those probably. The system isn't really configured, out of the box, for your specific set up. Sounds like Stock Fedora Workstation KDE would be a better fit in your situation. You can just download all the gaming toys from the software store.
I have found this issue with the KDE desktop. The Bazzite image with the Gnome desktop has been much better about managing multiple displays for me.
Was wondering how I missed this. Apparently TH-cam reset my notification settings again
We've been promised a version of Steam OS that is installable on generic PCs from the beginning. At this point, I'm getting tired of waiting. Meanwhile, if there's a demand a new Linux distro (or two, or three) will pop up to fill it. As right here with Bazzite and others in place of an official Steam OS by Valve.
Stuff takes time. The nvidia driver is getting in shape.
bazzite looks cool but I cant wait to compare the two when valve releases the fullfat steamos 3
as a gamer, I use CachyOS btw :D
How does bazzite work on lunar lake?
Does bazzite work on a desktop gaming PC or laptop??
If your hardware is supported by Linux then yes, if not then no.
Works on desktops, handhelds and laptops. There is an iso selector on the website that you just fill in the hardware and it will help you select the correct install.
Works on 6900hx with 6600m
@@moralreality7328 It's going to work fine on any recent gen AMD cpu, RDNA graphics and Intel wifi. Laptops, that's always a maybe unless you buy a Linux one.
Chimera os looked good on paper until i tried it and realized my ROG Ally had lost access to full TDP configurations on the fly. Also, the desktop experience isn't great and for some reason chimera wouldn't let me load an ntfs external drive because ntfs-3g was blacklisted by default or something, so i couldn't transfert a keepass file i needed.
Bazzite on the other hand is fully functionnal however, i ran into odd bugs here and there lately, one of them of which was confirmed to be a bug due to upstream fedora 41. the bug in question was when i switched to desktop, steam would fail to load what's needed to emulat a kb and mouse with the controller resulting in buttons that wouldn't work.
I went back to windows for now
Nice, I might give it a try 🤔
The last few updates have really screwed the battery life on the ROG ally for me (hr even on 10w silent) so I've gone back to windows. Was thoroughly enjoying it previously however
This is my favorite gaming desktop os
I just wish there was some free OS out there that can run not just all my Windows games, but all of the apps I use too. I've tried WINE and it only runs about 80% of it all and I need ALL of it to work. It's that 20 odd percent that dont work that prevent me from switcvhing to Linux.. Aslo I don't know WHAT I've inadvertantley doen, but I can't see jack sh*t of wht I'm typing here becase the font I'm typing this comment is is black, on a balck background. What the hell did I Do to make this happen?
I already use Bazzite on my work/travel laptop, and the only thing keeping me from switching permanently is the lack of a good splitscreen app (a la Nucleus Co-op) that I can use to play Halo with family while away from home. For some reason AlphaRing has glitchy visuals for me, so it's no alternative. Very disappointing.
First and foremost, +100 trolling.. Completely shifting gears, though.Where did you get that jacket?
One of these days he won't be Jeff
Will it work gpd win4 and win mini?
Epic troll on Carlos. Well Done.
I just wish linux had better nvidia support. It is the only thing holding me back atm.
Never change for haters.
I'm doing a ton of gaming in VMs based on this channel. I have not been able to get Bazzite to run under Proxmox. It will install, but will never launch. Same for ChimeraOS
Can you install Fedora Silverblue? If you can, you may be able to rebase to Bazzite once it's installed.
@nunchucker Possibly. I am mostly using EndeavourOS with KDE Plasma 6. I installed the ChimeraOS Gamescope session on top of it, but I'm having issues with it, too. The Gamescope session will launch into SteamOS with HDR, but launching a game just makes the whole screen turn black. Launching Gamescope under Wayland works, but there's a lot of crashes, especially if I use Mangoapp
does it work with anticheat?
I've found the Fedora distros to get the best performance out of the 6800Us
I'm worried about this though, if bazzite is an option along side steamos, but bazzite is better, but steamos is a more recognized game, there doesn't seem to be a better option.
Ehm... what?
Did you say a large number of games use the anti cheat I wouldn’t say it’s a larger number. There’s a couple.
love the trolling!!!
Problem is, a lot of games use DRM which only work on Windows, especially for multiplayer games or some big AAA games which require launchers and always-on requirements and of course, that's like, ALL of the popular games i play :(
those games suck tho
@@seethruhead7119 i play modern warfare 2019 with bots all the time.....i love my steam deck but cant do that on it
Yes, it’s a limiting factor for sure, mostly because developers refuse to find a solution for linux or use Valves. But it is what it is. I am perfectly happy playing single player and emulators. Demons Souls for PS3 runs like butter on Rog Ally at 60fps under bazzite 😊
DRM works on linux but when switching proton can trigger easier for it to temporarily block launching.
U must have meant AC support witch indeed for now its in a crysis for now on linux..
LOL this is my first time watching you bro that is not a cringe intro haha
Hey Carlos... Is somebody forcing you to watch this channel? How about you just stop watching the channel instead of posting a pointless and dare I say... "cringey and irritating" comment.
the whole point of saying f to windows is to regain ur privacy not to hand it over to a os in the cloud
Also yes.
According to who, you?
@@SchlumplesSchlumolomus-u9u acording to the guy that never gave his permition to invade my pc its my propertie they have no bussnis keyloging me and spying.the software i pay for is mine and on my computer and not in the cloud..giving up dependecies to third parties is always a bad idea with whatever in life)..keep droping the quality see what happens its already barely better then linux these days....The market is ripe for disruption...an MS will never have seen there market share drop so fast if a real alternative is offerd...
@@SchlumplesSchlumolomus-u9u literally yes. That’s their preference.
The OS isn't in the cloud. When the devs say "cloud native," they mean that it is using technology that was built with the same tools make things easier for cloud compute, like docker and GitHub actions. It's confusing terminology for sure, but rest assured, it is an entirely local and private operating system.
Are there any solutions to address those of us fools who have purchases games across so many stores? I know of Heroic but I doubt there will ever be a functional Xbox store on these devices?
You are making me want to buy a OneXFly.. badly... Great Vid!
I’ve tried a bunch of Linux distros but I end up switching back to windows due to experience. Linux always ends up having some kind of limitation. Windows has its bugs but I can always get kinks to work. Linux requires too many command knowledge that isn’t intuitive to a windows thinker. Once steamOS truly releases then I’ll give it another try.
This intro is getting way better.. Lol
Hmm.....what's more usable? Bazzite OS vs Pop! OS for daily driving on desktops & laptops?
Depends on your hardware, depends on the apps you want to use.
In my experience, The functionality for everything non-gaming is pretty similar on the surface. Bazzite is far more resilient though. It's really hard to mess it up, and the image-based backend is much better for security and stability. They also include some really amazing quality of life features that I've never seen in Linux before,, especially their suite of "ujust" commands that will take care of configuring optional programs and settings that would otherwise be a huge pain.
Could have left out the "on a small device" and it would still be true.
The lutris dependencies bit being harder on other distros is pure BS.Lutris auto-downloads proton and such from within the app.
I love Windows on my Asus ROG Ally X. I do not want any alternatives.
What the news of your cursed pc (HP workstation)? Did someone buy or any new video regarding that..........
Yep, longtime viewer bought it and uses it in their workshop. They named it 'Pickle Beer" :-D
@@CraftComputing mm.....good
00:50 LOVE IT!!! HA HA!!
God tier comment response
Just using 4gb of ram just to run windows is just absolutely painful. C'mon Microsoft
Bazzite will be somewhat pointless soon for many PC handhelds, since Valve is beginning to supply the images and builds of SteamOS to handheld makers.
Even if some new models start shipping with SteamOS, will it be available for the Legion Go and ROG Ally as a download?
@ Potentially.
Or someone will just make disk images and dumps of SteamOS for people to download.
People want SteamOS badly enough they’re willing to trust third parties with giving them the images.
There are a lot of benefits to Bazzite that Valve won't be able to include without overstepping as a corporation. The Fedora image-based backend is just better, and there are tons of quality of life features that Bazzite includes for individual programs and desktop software such as ujust scripts for configuring speakers or installing a fully-configured version of OBS, or... pre-installed and current Nvidia drivers with full CUDA acceleration
@ Those NVIDIA drivers will likely be installed by default once Gamescope is confirmed to be working on NVIDIA GPUs, which is when SteamOS will be released to a wider user base.
Windows still sucks on small devices and touchscreens, it's embarassing.
I've gotta say, I tested Bazzite for about a week, and it was awful.
For someone that uses one storage drive, and only plays Steam games, I can see why it's a great option, but as someone that downloads Fitgirl games and runs other launchers, Bazzite sucked.
Great video :)
I've been using it for a year on my legion Go
I tried bazzite, but then found cachyos and with the gpd win mini I have loved it. It seems to have all the bazzite abilities but arch under the hood. I liked it so much I kicked windows off my desktop. Lol
I feel like you are talking in Small Caps.
Thanks for the video.
Was wondering why you would recommend Lutris over Heroic games Lanucher?
Lutris tried to install all the same games that I had on Heroic games launcher. Tried to instal all 8 games from Cyverpunk to fallout nv and non of the games would work, Lutris failed to install any of the games. HGL on the other hand clicked install waited click run, it would run or it would need a different proton or wine, if it needed a new wine try a different version till it would work, at most it would work after 2 - 3 tries.
Lutris GUI is a mess, you have no idea what to do when installing and a popup, popup and you have no idea what it is asking.
I tried Lutris as it was preinstalled but was put off by the interface and the whole experience. Liked Heroic much better as i have a big collection at GOG. Tried also some Decky Plugins that would integrate the stores directly in Steam so you wouldn’t need to switch to desktop mode, but my installation somehow got messed up. So will stick to Heroic for now
Steamos cant have a alternative. Its the best