*Timestamps:* 0:00 - Introduction 0:16 - Background of the guest 1:07 - What are the Hadith? 2:09 - What's the Sunnah of Muhammad ﷺ? 4:53 - Relationship between the Hadith & Sunnah 9:29 - Role of the Hadith in Shariah 12:38 - Role of the Companions in the Shariah 13:40 - How did Muslim scholars detect Forgeries in the Hadith? (History of collecting the Hadith) 22:56 - Approach of the Mutazilites to the Hadith 25:02 - The Sunni Approach to the Hadith & their criticism of the previous approaches 33:12 - Method of the Testing the Reliability of the Hadith by the Sunnis & the guest's work 36:28 - Significance of the Sahifa & the history of writing of the Hadith 47:31 - Reconciling of the Forgeries in the Hadith by the Scholars & the accuracy of their works 49:18 - Hadiths that seem problematic to some Muslims 51:43 - Western Historical Critical Method vs the Hadith Sciences & issues with the approach of Western scholars to Islam 1:07:01 - Book Recommendations, Closing Statements & Wrapping Up
As a specialist in Hadith and Sunnah Studies, I would like to express my deep gratitude for this interesting meeting. Thank you Paul, thank you Dr. Jonathan Brown
Salaam Monem Alnahdi, why The Muwatta of Imaam Malik which has the earliest, shortest and agreed upon "golden chain of narration" not looked at as authoritative as Bukhari that came over 100 years later?
Such a shame you are not a specialist in the quran, but Im not surprised; sect-muslims always put the quran second: only a book for singing recitation during prayer. Shame on you for not reflecting upon qurans verses. If you did, you would know hadiths are satan’s works, and can not possibly be authentic. SAHIH MUSLIM HADITH: Book 50, Number 60: There would come people amongst the Muslims on the Day of Resurrection with as heavy sins as a mountain, and Allah would forgive them and He would place in their stead the Jews and the Christians. (As far as I think), Abu Raub said: I do not know as to who is in doubt. Abu Burda said: I narrated it to ‘Umar b. ‘Abd al-’Aziz, whereupon he said: Was it your father who narrated it to you from Allah’s Apostle (ﷺ)? I said: Yes. Explain this fucking garbage compared to the just God described in the quran. And beware what you say ‘brother’, Allah is watching, and who is more wicked than those who lie about Allah ..
My question to you, sect muslim is: considering how righteouss and just Allah is, how the fuck do you believe in a disgusting, vile and satanic hadith like this one? (There are shit tons of hadith that are like these but you just go ahead and answer this one)
Doctor Jonathan brown has said things that goes against Qur'an and sunnah. He has been exposed by Daniel haqiqatjou Ask Allah for guidance and then do your research And Allah knows best
Wow! I am so amazed by the knowledge of Prof. Brown, he is very capable in presenting the story of the disciple of Hadith Sciences development over the course of the earliest years of Islam in a very approachable way to us none experts. What a wonderful interview Br. Paul! I really appreciate the work you are doing sir!
Doctor Jonathan brown has said things that goes against Qur'an and sunnah. He has been exposed by Daniel haqiqatjou Ask Allah for guidance and then do your research And Allah knows best
It is great pleasure to attend Dr. Brown discussion about Hadith. I found his understanding of Hadith is very unique and in accordance with modern world.
Doctor Jonathan brown has said things that goes against Qur'an and sunnah. He has been exposed by Daniel haqiqatjou Ask Allah for guidance and then do your research And Allah knows best
Thank you for such fascinating subject. This kept me glued and the hour flew by. Brother Paul you are doing such a great job, your content is another level, the best on TH-cam.
Doctor Jonathan brown has said things that goes against Qur'an and sunnah. He has been exposed by Daniel haqiqatjou Ask Allah for guidance and then do your research And Allah knows best
Doctor Jonathan brown has said things that goes against Qur'an and sunnah. He has been exposed by Daniel haqiqatjou Ask Allah for guidance and then do your research And Allah knows best
Doctor Jonathan brown has said things that goes against Qur'an and sunnah. He has been exposed by Daniel haqiqatjou Ask Allah for guidance and then do your research And Allah knows best
Dr. Brown is a well respected hadith scholar, and listening to him certainly adds to one’s knowledge. The questions raised by Paul are very pertinent too.
@@abuhaneefa7422well he’s a convert. The definition of a scholar is someone who has written an academic piece of literature. Not someone who can pronounce a language correctly.
I would say AlhamduleAllah and thank you Poul and Dr. Jonathan. I've been looking for such a video. I had a conversation with my son a while ago, he is 27 years old, and he told me that he doesn't believe in Hadith, what is the Isnad thing, and all of that about Hadith is unreasonable. That broke my heart but I took it in and started to search for something that could really make him think it over. I pray to Allah to guide him and guide all of the young Muslims. Amen
only this book gives guidance to whom Allah wants, and from the very first verses of Chap 2. 2:2 ذَٰلِكَ ٱلْكِتَـٰبُ لَا رَيْبَ فِيهِ هُدًى لِّلْمُتَّقِينَ that is a book guidance for those who guard, [who are on guard all the time] Thanks God, Allah never mentioned other books gives guidance as well. and this is the book which will be placed on the day of judgement and thanks to Almighty God again, HE will not ask me a single question from hadith books or fake torah and gospel. Az-Zumar (The Groups) 39:69 وَأَشْرَقَتِ الْأَرْضُ بِنُورِ رَبِّهَا وَ وُضِعَ الْكِتَابُ وَجِآيءَ بِالنَّبِيِّينَ وَالشُّهَدَاءِ وَ قُضِيَ بَيْنَهُم بِالْحَقِّ وَهُمْ لَا يُظْلَمُونَ And the earth will shine with (the) light (of) its Lord and (will) be placed the BOOK and (will) be brought the Prophets and the witnesses\ [original Shaheeds] , and it (will) be judged between them in truth and they will not be wronged .
I as a student at the "pondok pesantren" feel grateful, because the explanations of prof Jonathan Brown about hadith, sunnah, muktazilah & sunni are in accordance with what is taught at the "pondok pesantren".
@@kuswanto6488 not a famous pon-pes, in middle school i student of pon-pes modern Darul Amanah in sukorejo central java. Then because one & two thing in high school i just "mondok" in pon-pes salaf Al mabrur sapen Boja , central java.
@@kuswanto6488 enjeh kang, hukum'e wajib niku jogo tauhid engkang bener, dadine kulo seneng ngaji'ne poro ulama2 engkang depe2 marang Allah SWT lewat jalur ilmu.
I have waited for this interview for soooooooo long, thank you brother Paul , indeed dr ali ataie did not mistaken by calling you the best youtube channel to get knowledge from.
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Doctor Jonathan brown has said things that goes against Qur'an and sunnah. He has been exposed by Daniel haqiqatjou Ask Allah for guidance and then do your research And Allah knows best
Doctor Jonathan brown has said things that goes against Qur'an and sunnah. He has been exposed by Daniel haqiqatjou Ask Allah for guidance and then do your research And Allah knows best
Amazing .. Jazak Allah khair to both gentlemen.. may Allah swt put Baraka in your work .. duas for all the scholars for their contribution towards better understanding n implementing Islam
Doctor Jonathan brown has said things that goes against Qur'an and sunnah. He has been exposed by Daniel haqiqatjou Ask Allah for guidance and then do your research And Allah knows best
Doctor Jonathan brown has said things that goes against Qur'an and sunnah. He has been exposed by Daniel haqiqatjou Ask Allah for guidance and then do your research And Allah knows best
Doctor Jonathan brown has said things that goes against Qur'an and sunnah. He has been exposed by Daniel haqiqatjou Ask Allah for guidance and then do your research And Allah knows best
Go on Adnan lad, tell us all that the hadith are a collection of sayings from thousands of infallible (all noble don't you know) eyewitnesses who then told others via up to several infallible chains ending up with hadith collectors with the memory of supercomputers who were able to not just decide but independently discard about 70% odd material and retain the 30% left which still numbers in the hundreds of thousands and all of which is not only equated to the word of God i.e. The Quran but in fact given priority every Friday in every mosque as these stories are retold again and again focusing on a "biography" rather than God's manual instead of making an effort to listen to God's own words which you can't even be bothered translating never mind acting upon or understanding but used in a melodic way/recited instead and you even have schools dedicated to the manner of recitation. Tell me where this is incorrect.
@@dontinsultme4821 Not exactly. And mandated by whom exactly? When did God tell anyone to focus on the personality of a prophet instead of his manual for life? Before you say the Quran says follow the prophet the context doesn't necessarily mean believe 3rd party sources written years later sometimes containing lewd stories including what went on behind closed doors with wives (who was watching to record all this and what is the relevance?) but is more likely is talking to the people of the time to do so first hand instead of believing these self appointed intermediaries. If you look at most Muslims today, especially certain sects they are hugely focused on the alleged behaviour of messenger words attributed to the prophet by others (hadith collections) instead of his mandated message and not his own words (The Quran)
Thanks Paul, for bringing scholars on your programs who would have never known and had opportunity to learn from. So many questions get answered with the power of knowledge. You are doing a fantastic job.
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I am from Oman and i am so happy to see another scoler in Islam Hadith though i go to my great grand father Al imam Zaid bin Ali MUSNAD . My english is not that good , where i am determind to get his books through Amazoon insha Allah .What i would like to request my brother PAUL william is to make another intrview to our scoler Dr. Jomathan , where i think it woulld be more educational . Many many thanks to this channel and our brother Paul .
Doctor Jonathan brown has said things that goes against Qur'an and sunnah. He has been exposed by Daniel haqiqatjou Ask Allah for guidance and then do your research And Allah knows best
Jazakallah Khair Paul for bringing on another intellectual giant. Recently read his book 'Missquoting Muhammad' - an absolute magisterial work on the development of Islamic intellectual thought.
Very commendable discussion for the intellectual... Religion is complex but with Islam it has the solution to this modern way of life.. Thanks for sharing the knowledge...
Wow! This was a very enjoyable discussion. As always, may Allah reward you brother for your commendable efforts. THIS POST IS A MUST READ FOR EVERYONE, especially by you dear brother Paul. First, I'm very impressed by Prof. Brown's knowledge of the Tradition & his candidness mashallah. - I'd like to make a few comments on this subject that others may benefit more inshallah. PART1 (second in next comment): It is a misconception that Abu Hanifa's school of thought (aka Hanafi) in Iraq judged Hadith value based on principles (qawa'id). Rather, when new Hadith contradicts the Quran or another established (Mutawatir) Hadith without evident reconciliation, Abu Hanifa requires that it must first be of the same degree of certainty to be considered, else rejected. This is contrary to Shafi'i approach, who deems certainty an after the fact judgement that does not necessarily equal authenticity. Thus, he allows less certain Hadith to abrogate the Quran. Malik's approach consists of looking at the practice of Medina, i.e. of the sons of the Prophet's companions, as a criterion for authenticity. The reason why Abu Hanifa was more strict on the authenticity of Hadith than others, like Malik & Shafi's, is because: 1. There were a lot less companions who settled in Iraq (about 300) than those in Medina (in the thousands). Thus less narration was available. 2. Iraq was the source of most sectarianism & turmoil in the Islamic world then (Qadaria, Shia, Mutazila...etc). Thus, unlike Medina where forgeries were extremely hard to achieve, Hadith fabrication in Iraq was very common. 3. Abu Hanifa needed an objective standard for his methodology, an anchor of confidence. Malik had only see the practices of the sons of companions in Medina to infer confidence in his rulings. Abu Hanifa had no such privilege in Iraq, hence his requirement of Tawatur (or almost) in accepting Hadith. As to the principles that Abu Hanifa & his students were setting up, aka Qawa'id. There are two schools of Legal Theory (Usul) in Fiqh: 1. The school of Athar (later known as school of theologians), initiated by Malik then formalized by Shafi'i. Their approach consists of inferring general rules & objective standards from the Quran, Sunnah, linguistic theory & analytical reasoning, under which all rulings are guided (this is akin to legal theory in the West, in fact its origin). 2. The school of Ra'y (later known as school of jurists), initiated by Abu Hanifa & formalized by his students. Their approach consists of inferring general principles & maxims (similar to articles of law & constitutional law today, in fact that's their origin) regarding specific legal topics in the Quran & Sunnah, from which rulings can be guided. These two schools eventually merge in later centuries. As to Hadith authenticity, to help viewers understand more the subject. I''ll try to explain how the scholars of Hadith figure out which Hadith are authentic & which aren't, & some basics of the methodology the use. What is a Hadith? - It's a saying or an action by the beloved Prophet (pbuh), thus a historical record from the past, thus information removed from us in time & place. How do we access that information? - We need a chain of transmission from our point of time & place, all the way up to that source of information. What conditions must this chain have? - It must be connected throughout without disruption, else potential loss of information. It also must accurately transmit the information, else untrustworthy. It also must be corroborated & supported by other chains regarding the same information. What kind of information do we expect? - Since the source is a saying or a report of an action, thus spoken words, the information we receive must also be spoken words, else unfaithfully preserved. What kind of medium we must have then? - There are 8 levels of reception of information (Talaqi) the scholars have established, but only the first two are admissible in sound hadiths, i.e. vocal transmission (as opposed to written or handed...etc). That is because vocal transmission is the only medium which faithfully preserves the original information; the same way a photo is only faithfully transmitted in picture format, a description of it will never achieve that. What do we expect from the people transmitting the information? - They must be reliable. That is, they must be able to accurately retain the facts they receive, hence fulfill perfect proficiency (Dabt), & at the same time be able to faithfully share retained facts, hence fulfill perfect truthfulness (Adala). Thiqa (reliability) to Hadith scholars means both conditions are perfectly fulfilled. To elaborate, suppose the information is "X", from source Oliver, transmitted to another Harry, hence the following chain: Oliver said "X" => Harry retained "Y" => Harry shared "Z" How do we make sure X = Z? (i.e. what Harry heard from Oliver is exactly what Harry told us). - If Harry has perfect proficiency, then Y = X (what he retained is accurate). If Harry has perfect truthfulness than Y = Z (faithfully share what is retained). If Harry has both, then X = Z, hence perfect preservation of information. If Harry lacks in either, then the information is not perfectly preserved. Still, this isn't enough. Mistakes can happen. We must also have at least one or more other independent collaborative chains of transmission. Why? Because the chances rise significantly with every other chains.If probability of truth is 99% with one chain, it's 99.99% with two, & 99.9999% with three...etc. In conclusion, if a chain of transmission of information from source A to target Z is connected throughout, where every narrator is perfectly proficient & truthful, & corroborated by other chains, then this is deemed a sound Hadith (Sahih), though not authentic with certainty yet. How do we achieve absolute certainty in Hadith authenticity? - For this, the scholars of Hadith require the condition of Tawatur. That is, congruence of sensory testimonies by a great number of independent witnesses, such that it is inconceivable they could have all conspired to tell the same lie, at each level throughout the chain of transmission. Let us unpack the above definition: Say a dozen of independent people from different places around the world, at different instances, from different backgrounds, say to different people that they saw the Dollar note & it said "In God with trust". It is inconceivable that all these people said exactly the same words by chance, therefore it must be certainly true. This way is exactly how we all know for a fact that China exists or Australia without ever being there. If the above is true throughout the chain of transmission, then at each level the transfer of information is certain, therefore, the information is transfred with certainty from the source to the target. Hence, certainty in authenticity. Are the Hadith we have really that reliable? - This is a statistical answer. I rely on the Gawami Kalem digital encyclopedia of Hadith for the numbers. The encyclopedia is not exhaustive but it's pretty close to being such (it does not include the Sirah sources for example). In specific numbers, it indexes around 1.2 million narration from 1400 sources of Hadith (like Muwata Malik, Sahih Bukhari...) by 487 scholars & compliers of Hadith (such as Bukhari, Muslim...), spread into 468,110 chains of transmission, of 50,050 accounts by 2377 companions (Sahabi) about 20,744 unique events of the beloved Prophet (pbuh). Of these, 1360 unique events are reported by 7 companions -i.e. illegible for Tawatur, & more than 3700 reported by more than 3 companions. - It also indexes 6080 narrators from the successor second generation (to the companions = Tabiin, like Abu Hanifa), 8660 narrators from the follower third generation (of the successors = Atbaa, like Imam Malik), & 8560 narrators among the succeeding fourth generation followers (like Bukhari). Given the numbers above, every unique prophetic event is, on average, reported by 2+1/2 companions, through 39 independent chains of transmission, involving some 400 narrators, & finally appearing in 60 independent book references. - This is ample evidence of the overall reliability of Hadith Tradition. 39 chains of transmission (on average) is VERY sufficient to determine the authenticity or otherwise of a hadith. Some Hadiths actually have more than 2000 chains of transmission (fulfilling Tawatur), while others (generally fabricated) have a single chain.
PART2 What exactly did Imam al-Bukhari do & why has his work gained so much approval & respect by the Hadith scholar community? - Without delving too much into this, scholars of Hadith traditionally (pre-Bukhari) relied on three methods to determine the reliability of narrators: 1. Testimony = what scholars have testified for or against these narrators, either through meeting them or examining their narrations. 2. Reputation = how are these narrators perceived by the Hadith scholar community, though this is a lesser credible method. Bukhari took this much further, introducing a new systematic way of assessing reliability, especially for those for whom we have no available testimony. He lived three generations away from the beloved Prophet (pbuh) (i.e. he met those (Atbaa) who met those (Tabiin) who met those (Sahaba) who met him), thus much liars & fabricators appeared. Firstly, he went around the Muslim world collecting Hadith from almost 1100 sheikhs, amounting to 600k narration. Secondly, he studied all the narrators he came across in all these narrations, who amounted to some 41k narrator, from whom more than half were unknown. Hence, his Tarikh Kabir (Major History) biographical compilation (formerly printed in 80 volumes). Thirdly, he devised a complex system of grading of narrators & narrations, such that reliable narrators are those who report reliable narrations, & reliable narrations are those reported by reliable narrators. - To elaborate with an analogy, imagine you were asked to grade a Multiple Choice test on Chinese literature for a class of students, & asked to accord 1 point for easy questions, 2 for medium & 3 points for difficult ones. But you don't understand Chinese. What you do is you say that easy questions are answered by most students, & difficult students are answered by the few brilliant ones. So you go through the exam papers & check corroboration between answers to deduce which are difficult & which students are brilliant...etc. This is exactly what Bukhari did, except with 600k questions & 41k students. YEP! Fourthly, he picked from these reliable narrations what fulfilled his high standard of authentication. Namely, on top of everything else above mentioned about conditions of sound narration, he required that a narrator from another must be proven to have in fact met each-other (with testimony), he also required two corroborating narrators from each source...etc. As to Western academia nonsense. It is simply impossible to access information in the past though anything else but a chain of transmission, without a chain of transmission which will faithfully transmit the information through the proper medium & conditions, the information is strictly lost. Does Western academia on Hadith (or History in general) fulfill absolutely any such conditions on the transmission of information? The answer is a resounding NO. Therefore, all their methods & conclusions are henceforth dismissed.
@@MsYassineB brother Yasin what's your go to books to get deeper in learning more about hadith ? (English or Arabic or French ) right now i'm half way through "المعارضات الفكرية المعاصرة لأحاديث الصحيحين" by "محمد بن فريد زريوح . it's about refuting false claims against the sahihayn and i'm quite impressed with it . articles or even vids are welcomed too وجزاك الله الف خير
@@GTari-ob6bj Hello brother. The best way to learn is to find a sheikh with Isnad, to gain the spirit of the tradition & not just its letters in books. If you wish to learn more about Hadith sciences, try the books of Ibn Hajar, Suyuti, Thahabi in Rijal (science of Men)...etc. To learn Hadith methodology, check Mutalah science & Jarh Wa Taddeel science. To learn Hadith transmission, check collections of Riwaya. To learn about Narrators, check Rijal science, to learn ansab (geneology science), asmaa (name science, tarajim (biography science), tabaqat (generations), & rutab (grading science)...etc. To learn about Hadith collection, checks the books of Tadween, & so on. Some books to start with, مقدمة ابن صلاح / نزهة النظر في نخبة الفكر / الفية السيوطي....
Tokoh2 seperti ini yang diperlukan Ummat masa kini dan masa depan ,dan Allah swt sangat menyenagi Ulil Albab,karena Ibadahnya lebih tinggi nilainya dihadapan Allah swt dibanding orang awam dalam hal ubudiyah.Kami ikhwanul muslim. Menantikan tausiah2mu,semoga akhi selalu meningkatkan mutu ibadahnya kpd sang kholik,demi kemashlahatan ummah,aamiin !
I found this discussion fascinating, not only because of its content but also because this exchange smashes all stereotypes.....I'm an African learning about the legacy of the Prophet of Islam from two caucasian Western academics .....the message is expressed with sincerity and with conviction of its truth....absolutely incredible! May you both be blessed for your efforts!
I read the audio version of "misquoting muhammad" its really great book im craving more cant wait for the next part of that book and more from Jonathan ac Brown. Jazakallah Khairan brother Jonathan! May Allah bless you for helping me understand more about Islam.
Bro Paul, pls kindly arrange another podcast with Prof. Brown for specific topic in hadist. Listening this fruitfull podcast for 1hr+, it seems very sort to us.
Damn, you guys are killng it with the guest line up. Prof. Jonathan Brown is a LEGEND, so happy y'all got him on the poscast. He'll be seen as one of the most of the most important scholars of the 21rst century.
MashaAllah, both of you are amazing..tq for enlightened the knowledge of Hadith..you guys have strengthen my iman..may Allah grant you both the highest of paradise, Jannah...ameen
A great interview, though my only complaint is that it is too short! Thank you brother Paul for producing excellent content. May Allah SWT rewards you for your effort.
@@agritrend4812 {Does man not see that We have created him from a sperm drop, then he becomes a clear adversary} quran 36:77 Subhanallah, did you forguet "o man", that you were a mixture of the water of your father and mother, and now you are talking about Allah❗
@@abdelhak8293 Your verse from unholy Qur'an is wrong. Humans are created by sperm and ova. Not just s adrop of sperm. But your Qur'an is rooted in ignorance or perhaps God did not know about embryology when he wrote it and passed the message along to Gabriel who then used Mohammed (camel dung be upon him) to spew out the babbling nonsense of Qur'an like the dummy of a ventriloquist. Or so the tradition goes!!!! Here is a good one for you "On the day of Khaiber, Allah's Apostle forbade the eating of garlic and the meat of donkeys" The mind of God is thus set against the eating of donkey meat! Those who eat it suffer in Hell forever!! It all suddenly makes sense!! I must convert to Islam immediately and stop eating donkeys on the day of Khaiber!
The Forgery part and how different scholars dealt with it...the fuqaaha, the mu'tazilah and ahlal hadith is mind blowing. Man Ustadh John is very very underrated as an academic. MashaaAllaah. from 16 min to 30 min. Wow.
Wow definitely gonna get my tea ready for this mashallah. Thanks again Paul and Professor Jonathan Brown 👍🏾😁 Edit: btw Jonathan Brown’s book “Misquoting Muhammad” is still one of my favourite Islamic books. I highly recommend it and inshallah will get his other books
No these Hadith Books are full of lies, and Almighty God has stopped the believers to follow them. they are not Wahi, But definitely Wahi from Shaitan, who has the hand written Sahih Bukhari or Sahih muslim, these books never existed from original authors with their own hands., what a fool who read them and think kind of sayings of the Messenger of Allah SWT. Even the messenger of Almighty will be complaining on the day of judgement that they were NOT reading Quran but instead fools were reading hadith books, why complaining ? because all will be in Hell and he will saying this in grief, that is they had read it they would have known today I am not the one who will beg mercy for them. Al-Furqan (The Criterion) - 25:30 وَقَالَ الرَّسُولُ يَا رَبِّ إِنَّ قَوْمِي اتَّخَذُوا هَذَا الْقُرْآنَ مَهْجُورًا (25:30) and Messenger will say O my Lord indeed my people hold this Quran and migrated from it.
@@TrueRaps What do you mean Quranist. Dear only this book gives guidance to whom Allah wants, and from the very first verses of Chap 2. 2:2 ذَٰلِكَ ٱلْكِتَـٰبُ لَا رَيْبَ فِيهِ هُدًى لِّلْمُتَّقِينَ that is a book guidance for those who guard, [who are on guard all the time] Thanks God, Allah never mentioned other books gives guidance as well. and this is the book which will be placed on the day of judgement and thanks to Almighty God again, HE will not ask me a single question from hadith books. Az-Zumar (The Groups) 39:69 وَأَشْرَقَتِ الْأَرْضُ بِنُورِ رَبِّهَا وَ وُضِعَ الْكِتَابُ وَجِآيءَ بِالنَّبِيِّينَ وَالشُّهَدَاءِ وَ قُضِيَ بَيْنَهُم بِالْحَقِّ وَهُمْ لَا يُظْلَمُونَ And the earth will shine with (the) light (of) its Lord and (will) be placed the BOOK and (will) be brought the Prophets and the witnesses\ [original Shaheeds] , and it (will) be judged between them in truth and they will not be wronged .
Assolamolaykum brother Paul, interesting topic and I find your content beneficial. May Allah guide you and brother Brown, amin. Another guest on this important subject you should have on is brother Uthman Farooq. He has a degree in Hadith and Muslims really benefit from his channel. Barrak Allah feek.
And how much can be remembered correctly , after 100 years . Not much . Why waste life and its precious time , trying to figure out is it true or false . When there is plenty in Quran to work on CHARACTER BUILDING COMMUNITY BUILDING NATION BUILDING . Making human life better than we found . Hadees is used and abused upon naieve Muslims by non Muslims as well as Muslims .This lawrence looks like doing the same job as lawrence of Arabia . Creating confusion . Creating hyperreligiosity and playing with emotions there after . We will as foolish as we are will realise only after a lot of damage is done . As for me i am happy with ONE GOD ONE HUMAN RACE ONE BOOK ONE PROPHET , Run to do good . Patience and Mercy for each other. CHARITY AND COMPASSION FOR ALL . For MUSLIMS CHRISTIANS JEWS ETC . God is the most wise and most forgiving . God give us knowledge and wisdom .
Thank you Paul, I understand a little by listening, but understand more with English captions. My English is bad. Greetings from Indonesia. 33:44 minutes. It does take a lot of energy to think about this. 😍😍
thx everyone for their amazing work, I highly recommend for everyone to listen whatsoever you are, Muslim and non Muslim,sunnia shia or ibadi or you are agree or disagree.
Thank you. I always wanted to understand Qur'anists. I still do not understand but I Know why the ahadith are important.. Thank you Paul and thank you Prof J Brown. I have to read this book.
And how much can be remembered correctly , after 100 years . Not much . Why waste life and its precious time , trying to figure out is it true or false . When there is plenty in Quran to work on CHARACTER BUILDING COMMUNITY BUILDING NATION BUILDING . Making human life better than we found . Hadees is used and abused upon naieve Muslims by non Muslims as well as Muslims .This lawrence looks like doing the same job as lawrence of Arabia . Creating confusion . Creating hyperreligiosity and playing with emotions there after . We will as foolish as we are will realise only after a lot of damage is done . As for me i am happy with ONE GOD ONE HUMAN RACE ONE BOOK ONE PROPHET , Run to do good . Patience and Mercy for each other. CHARITY AND COMPASSION FOR ALL . For MUSLIMS CHRISTIANS JEWS ETC . God is the most wise and most forgiving . God give us knowledge and wisdom .
This is great interview! I know that Paul produces high quality material but this one is exceptionally good! I learned so much about Hadith sciences, early developments and methods. I usually tend to be familiar with subject matter before I watch it but this one was superb! Thank you so much Paul 😍😍
@@agritrend4812 This shows the sheer ignorance you display. The word ''science'' is from Greek which means ''knowledge'', can refer to academic or systemic study of any subject matter - even history can have ''science''. It is broader then scientific study or physics. Even population consensus is academic study.
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@@summertea4382 The "science" or more accurately the anthropological and historical analysis of the origin of the corpus of ahadith, strongly suggests that most of it is invented bullshit and to be of no more value to mankind, than the recently invented Q-Anon theories which are followed by and believed by tens of millions of Republican voters in the USA. Q-Anon and Islam are just competing types of voo-doo!
Great discussion, Paul. However, I feel like Dr. Brown could have explained/elaborated some things better. Example 1: "many versions of one hadith". Often times it's just a swap of two words... ex. "I love Theology Blogging" where it should've been "I love Blogging Theology". As if Bukhari was trying to show us the correct and false word order...nevertheless, the content of both hadiths are essentially correct. Moreover, the hadiths of Bukhari that 'really' are in question, are about 30". There are reasons for that which take me to my second example. Example 2: Perhaps a mini intro to the 'Hadith studies' to give the viewers idea of how hadiths are checked, analyzed, picked etc... Example 3: He could've also spoken about who Bukhari was and his work to give the viewer a glimpse of why we call his book the second most authentic book after the Quran OR rather the most accurate book a human can produce. He left out many valuable pieces of information about Bukhari's collection. I guess the time wasn't on his side. Other than that, another masterpiece. Thanks a lot, Paul. Maybe, if possible you could have Dr. Brown again.
And how much can be remembered correctly , after 100 years . Not much . Why waste life and its precious time , trying to figure out is it true or false . When there is plenty in Quran to work on CHARACTER BUILDING COMMUNITY BUILDING NATION BUILDING . Making human life better than we found . Hadees is used and abused upon naieve Muslims by non Muslims as well as Muslims .This lawrence looks like doing the same job as lawrence of Arabia . Creating confusion . Creating hyperreligiosity and playing with emotions there after . We will as foolish as we are will realise only after a lot of damage is done . As for me i am happy with ONE GOD ONE HUMAN RACE ONE BOOK ONE PROPHET , Run to do good . Patience and Mercy for each other. CHARITY AND COMPASSION FOR ALL . For MUSLIMS CHRISTIANS JEWS ETC . God is the most wise and most forgiving . God give us knowledge and wisdom .
Laissez le temps au temps/ le temps que leurs compréhension de l.islam SERA au niveau de vos connaissances CAR l'environnement et le quotidien des personnes qui vivants dans un pays où dans une communauté musulmane on plus de faciliter à comprendre et s'adapter à la signification de certains hadiths) (Comme par exemple:manger 7 dattes chaque matin fait fuir les juins QUI rôdent dans les barrages)) Il faut vraiment vivre dans un pays où les palmiers de dattes son à la porte de vos attentes) Salam alykhom frère et soeurs)
I am only at 5 minutes of the video and I am already impressed by this man. He speaks like any classical scholar of ahl Sunnah wa.al jamaaa. Mashallah:)
@@haezlitt ok. It's the first time I listen to him. Anyway, what has been said in this video is conform with the teachings of Ahl Alhadeeth school specifically.
And how much can be remembered correctly , after 100 years . Not much . Why waste life and its precious time , trying to figure out is it true or false . When there is plenty in Quran to work on CHARACTER BUILDING COMMUNITY BUILDING NATION BUILDING . Making human life better than we found . Hadees is used and abused upon naieve Muslims by non Muslims as well as Muslims .This lawrence looks like doing the same job as lawrence of Arabia . Creating confusion . Creating hyperreligiosity and playing with emotions there after . We will as foolish as we are will realise only after a lot of damage is done .( just like with lawrence of Arabia , he learnt Arabic under guise of archeologist , made the crazy arabs go crazier of those times and they were lured to rebel against their own CALIPHA and then side with British . So what do British do help create israel and spill blood of Arabs like it is water , they did in the past and are still doing it . Iraq and Syria and Yemen are best examples . US AND BRITISH backed rebellion in Syria going on . As for me i am happy with ONE GOD ONE HUMAN RACE ONE BOOK ONE PROPHET , Run to do good . Patience and Mercy for each other. CHARITY AND COMPASSION FOR ALL . For MUSLIMS CHRISTIANS JEWS ETC . God is the most wise and most forgiving . God give us knowledge and wisdom .
As an alAzharian, i could attest to this lecture of brother Jonathan Bin Brown on hadeeth and its history or development. This is what true scholarship means, as opposed to present day self-made scholars.
You're also fed up of them? Lol. More dangerously, these self made scholars are those who think all the others are either mushrik or from the ahlul bid'ah. May Allah save us all from the fitnahs. Aameen.
@@Abdullah.......... yeah u know what i mean..i hope brother Paul would soon be able to see beyond that cult's understanding of Islam thru his online interaction with true scholars such as this brother. Islamic realm of knowledge is so great like the ocean. Dont limit it with only Ibn Taymiah's and the likes.
Dear Paul; AOA Bro; you are doing an amazing and thoughtful work at higher intellectual level. Jaza ka Allah Khyran for sharing Bro. Here is list of few scholars to discuss various fascinating topics in future slowly but surely…1. Hamza Yusuf, Zaytuna college, California, USA 2. Abdul Nasir Janda, Qalam institute, Dallas, TX, USA 3. Wisam Sharieff, Dallas, TX , USA 4. Yasir Qadhi, Dallas, TX, USA. Would be nice to connect with these scholars and prominent figures to discuss various interesting topics. We are enjoying your inspiring discussions so much. Keep up these wonderful works dear Bro Paul…..
Doctor Jonathan brown has said things that goes against Qur'an and sunnah. He has been exposed by Daniel haqiqatjou Ask Allah for guidance and then do your research And Allah knows best
JB is a really good author and lecturer AH. You can tell he’s a professor at a bonafide university in the US. None of this stuff is overly complicated. It can all be learned and explained. But to be able to explain it, you must know it, and not simply memorize and regurgitate the slogans you were taught.
And how much can be remembered correctly , after 100 years . Not much . Why waste life and its precious time , trying to figure out is it true or false . When there is plenty in Quran to work on CHARACTER BUILDING COMMUNITY BUILDING NATION BUILDING . Making human life better than we found . Hadees is used and abused upon naieve Muslims by non Muslims as well as Muslims .This lawrence looks like doing the same job as lawrence of Arabia . Creating confusion . Creating hyperreligiosity and playing with emotions there after . We will as foolish as we are will realise only after a lot of damage is done . As for me i am happy with ONE GOD ONE HUMAN RACE ONE BOOK ONE PROPHET , Run to do good . Patience and Mercy for each other. CHARITY AND COMPASSION FOR ALL . For MUSLIMS CHRISTIANS JEWS ETC . God is the most wise and most forgiving . God give us knowledge and wisdom .
@@786humaira1 are you stupid? The Qur'an was orally transmitted and to this day is still being memorised... You don't think people will remember the Prophet's (Peace be upon him) teaching? If it isn't for Ahadith... You wouldn't even know who he was.
Don’t know much about the Professor but his knowledge about the topic is obviously intense Allah reward him for his efforts. May Allah increase you and all the viewers in knowledge and piety. And guide us as always, we make supplication for guidance upon the straight path. Ameen
This is the same professor who said Muslims in the States should be advocating for LGBT rights, and he argues it would be wrong to equivocate people of lot and the modern LGBTQ, since people of lot were " forcing themselves on others", this is the same argument employed by modern Christian revisionist who argue that the people of lot were punished for rape and general debauchery.
@@RobinoftheHod @Æthelstan yes we should all keep quite in the face of falsehood and corruption /s. You're preaching passivity whilst the kind of Mr. Brown are active in their advocacy. I've raised a point, either come up with a counter point or shut up.
@@haezlitt you’re doing the right thing by speaking up against falsehood. Those who have knowledge but who don’t teach people and warn the population against sly and corrupted ideologies will be held accountable for their silence and lenientness. How many times in the Qur’an has Allah ordained that the believers should enjoin the good and forbid the wrong? Defend the truth and refute the innovators even if the ignorant ones think it’s “not nice” or “backbiting”. Don’t let these weak and false accusations dishearten you, ever.
@@trignal No qualifications. He's just spreading fitnah. Anything that seems a little out of their "cult", they think its wrong. So don't worry about it, you'll see many fitnahs like this on TH-cam.
Doctor Jonathan brown has said things that goes against Qur'an and sunnah. He has been exposed by Daniel haqiqatjou Ask Allah for guidance and then do your research And Allah knows best
@@justagymcell2373 What makes you qualified to comment? A whole hour of discussion and that's all you can come up with? You are a perfect example of what is wrong with the Muslim community.
Jonathan Brown who studied Arabic for merely one year is a scholar in Hadith?! Wow that's very impressive, the guy should only talk in history, his field of expertise. You can't be expect in Shakespeare while you can't even speak English.
He's studied Arabic for far more than one year, has a PhD in the subject, and has extensively researched the works of hadith in the Indian subcontinent.
@@jpaqon the education establishments where he has studied is not where you will find bonafide scholars of hadith teachers, I mean just the thought of the likes of shaykh al-fawzaan teaching at Yale or Columbia University is quite hilarious, this is why there are Islamic education establishments like Madinah University or Umm al-Qura University (Makkah) this is where credible ma’shaaykh teach the various Islamic sciences. You will not find these scholars teaching at kufar institutes to a secular audience so the question that arises here is what calibre of scholars is Jonathan getting his knowledge from? Also, knowing Arabic does not qualify someone to provide commentaries on hadith collections, tulaab go through years of studying Arabic grammar on its own before even touching any other part of the Arabic sciences, once they have a firm grounding of the language they look at mustala al hadith from all angles, Ilm ar-Rijaal, Isnaad, Matn, Al-Jarh Wat-Ta'deel to name a few there are so many different disciplines a student of knowledge needs to be firmly grounded in to be considered a hadith student. Which scholar from the Indian subcontinent did he get his ijazah from?
Funny about people (both muslim and non-muslim) who dismiss formal degrees from reputable institutions throughout the world. "Ask the people of knowledge when you do not know" (Surah An-Nahl 16:43). A PhD in Islamic studies from the University of Chicago where he got his PhD is good enough for me just as any other respected higher center of islamic learning.
The great Taabi’ee Muhammad ibn Sireen (D.110AH) said:“Indeed this knowledge is your religion, so look to whom you take your religion from.” Be careful who you take your deen from!-
So now you Madkhalees have a problem with him also? You are sick man. I see you everywhere spreading your fitnah everywhere. Don't forget that the biggest "quoter" of Quran and Hadith were the Khwarijees at that time. You are a pseudo salafi. You are not a real salafi. You have hatred filled inside you. Ask yourself, look into your heart, and tell me, do you hate Asharis more, or do you hate the mushriks more? Answer me honestly, Madkhalee.
@@qmr0n Tarawih was a bidaah , Seperation of Man and Woman in mosque was a bidaah , Blind taqlid was a bidaah , canonization of ritual of Haj was bidaah
@@aqilshamil9633 Tarawih is not a religious bid’ah because the prophet himself salAllahu alayhi wasallam did it, Umar radhiAllahu 3nhu was using the linguistic meaning, men and women were always segregated in the mosques and that was always the goal, muslims just acquired the ability to build proper buildings and do it more effectively, taqlid is a part of the religion but extreme taqlid such as the hanafis who don’t care about the sahih hadiths is indeed wrong to be an extreme in that sense: blind taqlid is valid for the prophet salAllahu alayhi wasallam, not sure about the Hajj thing but when you have 2 billion muslims adaptions need to be made to accommodate for that obligation. Stop spreading this nonesense please and learn before you speak.
Aslm brother Paul another excellent interview an excellent scholar in Johnathan brown may Allah bless you all for the excellent work we are blessed to have excellent people like yourself in Islam.... Excellent
For Professor LGBT Quran clearly says: "Here you are - those invited to spend in the cause of Allah - but among you are those who withhold [out of greed]. And whoever withholds only withholds [benefit] from himself; and Allah is the Free of need, while you are the needy. And if you turn away, He will replace you with another people; then they will not be the likes of you."(Quran 47:38)
@ClubHop Speak for yourself. He is highly respected in the orthodox community. Its funny how he can debate that LBGT issue with other scholars who are respectful and still have adab towards him, yet this basic adab escapes most Muslims. He is not saying his opinion is truth or even popular. He is merely presenting an argument and making a case. He never condones it either, he only make the case that legally there might be reason to allow it in a secular society. Other scholars disagree with him, but they still have a civil discussion and present their arguments with proper adab. One controversial opinion doesn't wipe away all the good and credentials he has.
@@TanerTech Mr TanerTech: Muslim scholars opinion in a Muslim community is as important and regarded as some of the foundations. A scholar derives or set goals for the whole Muslim community instead of just "chit chatting" and passing personal opinions publicly in relation to deen. A Muslim scholar must be careful for what he is saying in font of the public since there are lot of people who are inspired by this self proclaimed scholar of Islam. This is not simple as agreement or disagreement, this is the fundamental core concept of Islam on the basis of which the whole nation has been wiped out. If he disagrees with what Quran says then he even cannot claim to be Muslim though he is presenting himself to be the scholar. If he has his personal opinions then it should not be passed or delivered in public vicinity since he is already influencing lot of Muslims in the US claiming to be a Muslim scholar. Most of the Yakeener's are of his type and are getting Government funds to create the divisions and deviations including him to secularize Islam including Yasir Qadhi, Ilhan Omar etc etc. Muslim scholars agreement or disagreement does not effect the core principles or essence of Quran (Harams & Halals) because everyone since 1400 years have their agreement, the agreement and disagreement can be found on rather other issues. He is not representing the Muslims instead he is the part of a cult. His articles on yakeen's website is full of this filth and if it was his personal opinion then it should not be presented in his articles defending their rights to marry.
@@singalongme1 he is not disagreeing but only way to get people to Islam is by using liberal methods, and he lives in a western country and he can’t get people to Islam if starts making statements against lgbt, but using more of liberal method. I might not follow his way but it’s a crime to make statements against lgbt in western countries
*Zuhri* The man who first time started to forge hadith was Mullah Zuhri. He was EMPLOYEE of Omayyad Caliphs and also later of Abbasid Caliphs. Caliphs used him to fabricate hadiths for their Political gains; and Goldziher has given its full proof in his books. When Omayyad Caliphs had dispute with Abd-Allah bin Zubayr who was Ruler of Mecca; Omayyad Caliphs stopped Syrian Muslims going Mecca for Hajj because during Hajj, Abd-Allah bin Zubayr used to take oath of loyalty from pilgrims. But Syrian Muslims started to protest how can Omayyad Caliph stop them from Hajj when Hajj is ordained in Quran. Now in order to diffuse this problem: Omayyad Caliph pressurized Zuhri to FORGE hadith of two Qibla, one in Mecca and other in Jerusalem. Then Omayyad Caliphs built a Mosque in Jerusalem (60 years after the death of Prophet) and named it Masjid-al-Aqsa in order to attach verse 17:1 with this new mosque. Syrians were successfully fooled by Omayyad Caliphs and Zuhri, and Syrian Muslims were doing FAKE Hajj in Jerusalem for about two years until Omayyad Caliphs Captured Mecca and murdered Abd-Allah bin Zubayr. Zuhri himself confessed that he had no plan to write/spread hadiths but Malook (kings) pressed me.
And how much can be remembered correctly , after 100 years . Not much . Why waste life and its precious time , trying to figure out is it true or false . When there is plenty in Quran to work on CHARACTER BUILDING COMMUNITY BUILDING NATION BUILDING . Making human life better than we found . Hadees is used and abused upon naieve Muslims by non Muslims as well as Muslims .This lawrence looks like doing the same job as lawrence of Arabia . Creating confusion . Creating hyperreligiosity and playing with emotions there after . We will as foolish as we are will realise only after a lot of damage is done . As for me i am happy with ONE GOD ONE HUMAN RACE ONE BOOK ONE PROPHET , Run to do good . Patience and Mercy for each other. CHARITY AND COMPASSION FOR ALL . For MUSLIMS CHRISTIANS JEWS ETC . God is the most wise and most forgiving . God give us knowledge and wisdom .
Very insightful video with Dr. Jonathan Brown. Keep up the great work inviting great Muslim minds to discuss variety of Islamic discourse. Would love to see Laurence Brown back on to talk about the trinity.
*Timestamps:*
0:00 - Introduction
0:16 - Background of the guest
1:07 - What are the Hadith?
2:09 - What's the Sunnah of Muhammad ﷺ?
4:53 - Relationship between the Hadith & Sunnah
9:29 - Role of the Hadith in Shariah
12:38 - Role of the Companions in the Shariah
13:40 - How did Muslim scholars detect Forgeries in the Hadith? (History of collecting the Hadith)
22:56 - Approach of the Mutazilites to the Hadith
25:02 - The Sunni Approach to the Hadith & their criticism of the previous approaches
33:12 - Method of the Testing the Reliability of the Hadith by the Sunnis & the guest's work
36:28 - Significance of the Sahifa & the history of writing of the Hadith
47:31 - Reconciling of the Forgeries in the Hadith by the Scholars & the accuracy of their works
49:18 - Hadiths that seem problematic to some Muslims
51:43 - Western Historical Critical Method vs the Hadith Sciences & issues with the approach of Western scholars to Islam
1:07:01 - Book Recommendations, Closing Statements & Wrapping Up
Jazakallah khair Bro.
@@FamlyPC
وَإِيَّاك أَخِي 😊☺️
Jazakallah, mate!
@@rafayshakeel4812بارك اللٰه فيك 😄😃
@Asadullah SAAiD Many thanks!
As a specialist in Hadith and Sunnah Studies, I would like to express my deep gratitude for this interesting meeting. Thank you Paul, thank you Dr. Jonathan Brown
Salaam Monem Alnahdi, why The Muwatta of Imaam Malik which has the earliest, shortest and agreed upon "golden chain of narration" not looked at as authoritative as Bukhari that came over 100 years later?
Such a shame you are not a specialist in the quran, but Im not surprised; sect-muslims always put the quran second: only a book for singing recitation during prayer. Shame on you for not reflecting upon qurans verses. If you did, you would know hadiths are satan’s works, and can not possibly be authentic.
SAHIH MUSLIM HADITH: Book 50, Number 60:
There would come people amongst the Muslims on the Day of Resurrection with as heavy sins as a mountain, and Allah would forgive them and He would place in their stead the Jews and the Christians. (As far as I think), Abu Raub said: I do not know as to who is in doubt. Abu Burda said: I narrated it to ‘Umar b. ‘Abd al-’Aziz, whereupon he said: Was it your father who narrated it to you from Allah’s Apostle (ﷺ)? I said: Yes.
Explain this fucking garbage compared to the just God described in the quran. And beware what you say ‘brother’, Allah is watching, and who is more wicked than those who lie about Allah ..
@@cindyweatherly4501 what?
My question to you, sect muslim is: considering how righteouss and just Allah is, how the fuck do you believe in a disgusting, vile and satanic hadith like this one? (There are shit tons of hadith that are like these but you just go ahead and answer this one)
@@cindyweatherly4501 You sound like a deranged cult member. No offense
Great technical analysis on the origins of the Hadiths we, as Muslims, use as guidance in life. Thanks Paul ❤️
True origins of hadith are Iblis
Assalamualaikum brother
Doctor Jonathan brown has said things that goes against Qur'an and sunnah.
He has been exposed by Daniel haqiqatjou
Ask Allah for guidance and then do your research
And Allah knows best
Wow! I am so amazed by the knowledge of Prof. Brown, he is very capable in presenting the story of the disciple of Hadith Sciences development over the course of the earliest years of Islam in a very approachable way to us none experts. What a wonderful interview Br. Paul! I really appreciate the work you are doing sir!
Doctor Jonathan brown has said things that goes against Qur'an and sunnah.
He has been exposed by Daniel haqiqatjou
Ask Allah for guidance and then do your research
And Allah knows best
Thank you Prof Jonathan Brown for excellant presentation on Hadith, Paul, thank you for putting it on your your channel
Thank you Paul & Thank you to Dr Jonathan AC Brown for taking the time out of your busy schedule. I pray Allah swt rewards you both.
Professor Brown is an amazing Scholar. I Like watching his talks, seeing him here at BT channel is special. Thank you.
It is great pleasure to attend Dr. Brown discussion about Hadith. I found his understanding of Hadith is very unique and in accordance with modern world.
Doctor Jonathan brown has said things that goes against Qur'an and sunnah.
He has been exposed by Daniel haqiqatjou
Ask Allah for guidance and then do your research
And Allah knows best
Thank you for such fascinating subject. This kept me glued and the hour flew by. Brother Paul you are doing such a great job, your content is another level, the best on TH-cam.
You are very welcome
As you said, geat jobs like this one is Not easy To Do.
@@alhdafe Paul is becoming the voice of reason and logic. The name on the tin Blogging Theology does exactly what it says.
Doctor Jonathan brown has said things that goes against Qur'an and sunnah.
He has been exposed by Daniel haqiqatjou
Ask Allah for guidance and then do your research
And Allah knows best
Never clicked the 'like' as fervently as I did with this one. He's a light in times of darkness - a mountain of knowledge
Doctor Jonathan brown has said things that goes against Qur'an and sunnah.
He has been exposed by Daniel haqiqatjou
Ask Allah for guidance and then do your research
And Allah knows best
Absolutely brilliant! One of the best i have seen on blogging theology. Subhanallah
Doctor Jonathan brown has said things that goes against Qur'an and sunnah.
He has been exposed by Daniel haqiqatjou
Ask Allah for guidance and then do your research
And Allah knows best
Dr. Brown is a well respected hadith scholar, and listening to him certainly adds to one’s knowledge.
The questions raised by Paul are very pertinent too.
And an LGBTQ supporter.
He cant even read arabic properly. There was one occasion he was struggling recite the hadith in arabic. How can he become hadith scholar ? 🤷🏻♂️
@@abuhaneefa7422well he’s a convert. The definition of a scholar is someone who has written an academic piece of literature. Not someone who can pronounce a language correctly.
Can’t wait to hear this conversation! Good stuff!
I would say AlhamduleAllah and thank you Poul and Dr. Jonathan. I've been looking for such a video. I had a conversation with my son a while ago, he is 27 years old, and he told me that he doesn't believe in Hadith, what is the Isnad thing, and all of that about Hadith is unreasonable. That broke my heart but I took it in and started to search for something that could really make him think it over. I pray to Allah to guide him and guide all of the young Muslims. Amen
Find out what the Qur'an says about hadith and your heart will be mended.
The Quran was transmitted to us through hadiths!
Enough said! Wassalamu alaikom.
@@aliaub75 give example
@@aliaub75 If you think Allah used hadith to transmit the Qur'an then this is brainwashing!
only this book gives guidance to whom Allah wants,
and from the very first verses of Chap 2.
2:2 ذَٰلِكَ ٱلْكِتَـٰبُ لَا رَيْبَ فِيهِ هُدًى لِّلْمُتَّقِينَ
that is a book guidance for those who guard, [who are on guard all the time]
Thanks God, Allah never mentioned other books gives guidance as well.
and this is the book which will be placed on the day of judgement and thanks to Almighty God again, HE will not ask me a single question from hadith books or fake torah and gospel.
Az-Zumar (The Groups) 39:69
وَأَشْرَقَتِ الْأَرْضُ بِنُورِ رَبِّهَا وَ وُضِعَ الْكِتَابُ وَجِآيءَ بِالنَّبِيِّينَ وَالشُّهَدَاءِ وَ قُضِيَ بَيْنَهُم بِالْحَقِّ وَهُمْ لَا يُظْلَمُونَ
And the earth will shine with (the) light (of) its Lord and (will) be placed the BOOK and (will) be brought the Prophets and the witnesses\ [original Shaheeds] , and it (will) be judged between them in truth and they will not be wronged .
I as a student at the "pondok pesantren" feel grateful, because the explanations of prof Jonathan Brown about hadith, sunnah, muktazilah & sunni are in accordance with what is taught at the "pondok pesantren".
Masha Allah Alhamdulillah... Because from the same source
Where is your ponpes my brother?
@@kuswanto6488 not a famous pon-pes, in middle school i student of pon-pes modern Darul Amanah in sukorejo central java.
Then because one & two thing in high school i just "mondok" in pon-pes salaf Al mabrur sapen Boja , central java.
@@DarkWolf-0004 Griya kula wonten Tajinan Malang, sakjane kepingin ndamel akun anonim. Mugi mugi sampeyan saged njagi konstitusi tauhid dalam beragama. Mugi sukses .... 🙏🙏
@@kuswanto6488 enjeh kang, hukum'e wajib niku jogo tauhid engkang bener, dadine kulo seneng ngaji'ne poro ulama2 engkang depe2 marang Allah SWT lewat jalur ilmu.
I have waited for this interview for soooooooo long, thank you brother Paul , indeed dr ali ataie did not mistaken by calling you the best youtube channel to get knowledge from.
A Muslim Encounters JESUS CHRIST On His Hospital Bed, Bishop Haifham Besmar - Samal Saleem: A Muslim Cries Out To JESUS ( cultural jihadist/USA hears the audible voice of GOD)
@@cindyweatherly4501 Hi parasite. Done spamming yet?
@@Abdullah.......... Time will tell, Abdullah. 🔥
@Oh Man Time will tell Oh Man. 🔥
@@Abdullah.......... Abdallah, do you think you're scoring good points with Allah?
Seriously enlightened after listening to both of you. It adds perspective to what I'm learning.Very grateful, many thanks.
👍🏽😘
Doctor Jonathan brown has said things that goes against Qur'an and sunnah.
He has been exposed by Daniel haqiqatjou
Ask Allah for guidance and then do your research
And Allah knows best
mashaAllah we don't sugar coat our religion and the deen is preserved.
Jazaak Allah Khair. Can't go wrong with Dr. Jonathan Brown ! Excellent insight into the Hadith.
Doctor Jonathan brown has said things that goes against Qur'an and sunnah.
He has been exposed by Daniel haqiqatjou
Ask Allah for guidance and then do your research
And Allah knows best
It can definitely go horribly wrong with Jonathan brown. Just ask him what lgbtq rights should we affirm?
It's such a wonderful thing to watch such intelligent people have become the representatives of Islam. Its the guidance to humanity
Amazing .. Jazak Allah khair to both gentlemen.. may Allah swt put Baraka in your work .. duas for all the scholars for their contribution towards better understanding n implementing Islam
Doctor Jonathan brown has said things that goes against Qur'an and sunnah.
He has been exposed by Daniel haqiqatjou
Ask Allah for guidance and then do your research
And Allah knows best
May Allah guide your thoughts and tongue to Always think and speak what is right and enlightening.
👍
Ameen
Mashallah, very interesting lecture. Bless you both.
Doctor Jonathan brown has said things that goes against Qur'an and sunnah.
He has been exposed by Daniel haqiqatjou
Ask Allah for guidance and then do your research
And Allah knows best
Mashallah Tabarak allah.Jazakum allah khair brother Paul and Prof Jonathan .May allah award you Jannah .
Jazakallah for an educational, factual approach. Great scholarship.
Thank you Paul and Dr. Brown. This was an epic interview and I have learned a lot. Jazakum Allah’u Khayran
Only Allah sobanhanella va taella know who's heart are ready to accept the massage.thank you bro. Paul.
may Allah reward you both for your service.
Doctor Jonathan brown has said things that goes against Qur'an and sunnah.
He has been exposed by Daniel haqiqatjou
Ask Allah for guidance and then do your research
And Allah knows best
Brilliant discussion.
Why do you support a person who wants to vouch for LGBT rights
Go on Adnan lad, tell us all that the hadith are a collection of sayings from thousands of infallible (all noble don't you know) eyewitnesses who then told others via up to several infallible chains ending up with hadith collectors with the memory of supercomputers who were able to not just decide but independently discard about 70% odd material and retain the 30% left which still numbers in the hundreds of thousands and all of which is not only equated to the word of God i.e. The Quran but in fact given priority every Friday in every mosque as these stories are retold again and again focusing on a "biography" rather than God's manual instead of making an effort to listen to God's own words which you can't even be bothered translating never mind acting upon or understanding but used in a melodic way/recited instead and you even have schools dedicated to the manner of recitation. Tell me where this is incorrect.
@@SK991dvdhd same people transmitted the quran
@@dontinsultme4821 Not exactly. And mandated by whom exactly? When did God tell anyone to focus on the personality of a prophet instead of his manual for life? Before you say the Quran says follow the prophet the context doesn't necessarily mean believe 3rd party sources written years later sometimes containing lewd stories including what went on behind closed doors with wives (who was watching to record all this and what is the relevance?) but is more likely is talking to the people of the time to do so first hand instead of believing these self appointed intermediaries. If you look at most Muslims today, especially certain sects they are hugely focused on the alleged behaviour of messenger words attributed to the prophet by others (hadith collections) instead of his mandated message and not his own words (The Quran)
@@SK991dvdhd dont you know any history on who the 30 transmitters of quran were
Thanks Paul, for bringing scholars on your programs who would have never known and had opportunity to learn from. So many questions get answered with the power of knowledge. You are doing a fantastic job.
Glad it was helpful!
This was the most awaited one. Thanks Paul for bringing Dr Brown in your den 😊😊
A Muslim Encounters JESUS CHRIST On His Hospital Bed, Bishop Haifham Besmar - Samal Saleem: A Muslim Cries Out To JESUS ( cultural jihadist/USA hears the audible voice of GOD)
@@cindyweatherly4501 ok🙌🏼
@@cindyweatherly4501
Encounters WHO??!!!
What did he look like? Did he look like Cesare Borgia?
I finally found the time to watch this and it's worth the hour spent. Tq Brother Paul and Prof Brown.
I am from Oman and i am so happy to see another scoler in Islam Hadith though i go to my great grand father Al imam Zaid bin Ali MUSNAD . My english is not that good , where i am determind to get his books through Amazoon insha Allah .What i would like to request my brother PAUL william is to make another intrview to our scoler Dr. Jomathan , where i think it woulld be more educational . Many many thanks to this channel and our brother Paul .
Doctor Jonathan brown has said things that goes against Qur'an and sunnah.
He has been exposed by Daniel haqiqatjou
Ask Allah for guidance and then do your research
And Allah knows best
A very complex topic, well done Mr. Brown for this presentation.
Jazakallah Khair Paul for bringing on another intellectual giant. Recently read his book 'Missquoting Muhammad' - an absolute magisterial work on the development of Islamic intellectual thought.
Hamza's Den and Blogging Theology, I learn a lot from these two channels
Thanks Bro Paul for this amazing podcast...
This is very useful and informative.
Very useful interview. Dr Jonathan Brown has deep understanding of the science of Hadith. Thank you Mr Paul Williams.
Great discussion as per usual; just ordered some of his books.
Very commendable discussion for the intellectual...
Religion is complex but with Islam it has the solution to this modern way of life..
Thanks for sharing the knowledge...
Wow! This was a very enjoyable discussion. As always, may Allah reward you brother for your commendable efforts. THIS POST IS A MUST READ FOR EVERYONE, especially by you dear brother Paul.
First, I'm very impressed by Prof. Brown's knowledge of the Tradition & his candidness mashallah. - I'd like to make a few comments on this subject that others may benefit more inshallah.
PART1 (second in next comment):
It is a misconception that Abu Hanifa's school of thought (aka Hanafi) in Iraq judged Hadith value based on principles (qawa'id). Rather, when new Hadith contradicts the Quran or another established (Mutawatir) Hadith without evident reconciliation, Abu Hanifa requires that it must first be of the same degree of certainty to be considered, else rejected. This is contrary to Shafi'i approach, who deems certainty an after the fact judgement that does not necessarily equal authenticity. Thus, he allows less certain Hadith to abrogate the Quran. Malik's approach consists of looking at the practice of Medina, i.e. of the sons of the Prophet's companions, as a criterion for authenticity.
The reason why Abu Hanifa was more strict on the authenticity of Hadith than others, like Malik & Shafi's, is because:
1. There were a lot less companions who settled in Iraq (about 300) than those in Medina (in the thousands). Thus less narration was available.
2. Iraq was the source of most sectarianism & turmoil in the Islamic world then (Qadaria, Shia, Mutazila...etc). Thus, unlike Medina where forgeries were extremely hard to achieve, Hadith fabrication in Iraq was very common.
3. Abu Hanifa needed an objective standard for his methodology, an anchor of confidence. Malik had only see the practices of the sons of companions in Medina to infer confidence in his rulings. Abu Hanifa had no such privilege in Iraq, hence his requirement of Tawatur (or almost) in accepting Hadith.
As to the principles that Abu Hanifa & his students were setting up, aka Qawa'id. There are two schools of Legal Theory (Usul) in Fiqh:
1. The school of Athar (later known as school of theologians), initiated by Malik then formalized by Shafi'i. Their approach consists of inferring general rules & objective standards from the Quran, Sunnah, linguistic theory & analytical reasoning, under which all rulings are guided (this is akin to legal theory in the West, in fact its origin).
2. The school of Ra'y (later known as school of jurists), initiated by Abu Hanifa & formalized by his students. Their approach consists of inferring general principles & maxims (similar to articles of law & constitutional law today, in fact that's their origin) regarding specific legal topics in the Quran & Sunnah, from which rulings can be guided.
These two schools eventually merge in later centuries.
As to Hadith authenticity, to help viewers understand more the subject. I''ll try to explain how the scholars of Hadith figure out which Hadith are authentic & which aren't, & some basics of the methodology the use.
What is a Hadith? - It's a saying or an action by the beloved Prophet (pbuh), thus a historical record from the past, thus information removed from us in time & place.
How do we access that information? - We need a chain of transmission from our point of time & place, all the way up to that source of information.
What conditions must this chain have? - It must be connected throughout without disruption, else potential loss of information. It also must accurately transmit the information, else untrustworthy. It also must be corroborated & supported by other chains regarding the same information.
What kind of information do we expect? - Since the source is a saying or a report of an action, thus spoken words, the information we receive must also be spoken words, else unfaithfully preserved.
What kind of medium we must have then? - There are 8 levels of reception of information (Talaqi) the scholars have established, but only the first two are admissible in sound hadiths, i.e. vocal transmission (as opposed to written or handed...etc). That is because vocal transmission is the only medium which faithfully preserves the original information; the same way a photo is only faithfully transmitted in picture format, a description of it will never achieve that.
What do we expect from the people transmitting the information? - They must be reliable. That is, they must be able to accurately retain the facts they receive, hence fulfill perfect proficiency (Dabt), & at the same time be able to faithfully share retained facts, hence fulfill perfect truthfulness (Adala). Thiqa (reliability) to Hadith scholars means both conditions are perfectly fulfilled.
To elaborate, suppose the information is "X", from source Oliver, transmitted to another Harry, hence the following chain:
Oliver said "X" => Harry retained "Y" => Harry shared "Z"
How do we make sure X = Z? (i.e. what Harry heard from Oliver is exactly what Harry told us). - If Harry has perfect proficiency, then Y = X (what he retained is accurate). If Harry has perfect truthfulness than Y = Z (faithfully share what is retained). If Harry has both, then X = Z, hence perfect preservation of information. If Harry lacks in either, then the information is not perfectly preserved.
Still, this isn't enough. Mistakes can happen. We must also have at least one or more other independent collaborative chains of transmission. Why? Because the chances rise significantly with every other chains.If probability of truth is 99% with one chain, it's 99.99% with two, & 99.9999% with three...etc.
In conclusion, if a chain of transmission of information from source A to target Z is connected throughout, where every narrator is perfectly proficient & truthful, & corroborated by other chains, then this is deemed a sound Hadith (Sahih), though not authentic with certainty yet.
How do we achieve absolute certainty in Hadith authenticity? - For this, the scholars of Hadith require the condition of Tawatur. That is, congruence of sensory testimonies by a great number of independent witnesses, such that it is inconceivable they could have all conspired to tell the same lie, at each level throughout the chain of transmission.
Let us unpack the above definition: Say a dozen of independent people from different places around the world, at different instances, from different backgrounds, say to different people that they saw the Dollar note & it said "In God with trust". It is inconceivable that all these people said exactly the same words by chance, therefore it must be certainly true. This way is exactly how we all know for a fact that China exists or Australia without ever being there.
If the above is true throughout the chain of transmission, then at each level the transfer of information is certain, therefore, the information is transfred with certainty from the source to the target. Hence, certainty in authenticity.
Are the Hadith we have really that reliable? - This is a statistical answer. I rely on the Gawami Kalem digital encyclopedia of Hadith for the numbers. The encyclopedia is not exhaustive but it's pretty close to being such (it does not include the Sirah sources for example). In specific numbers, it indexes around 1.2 million narration from 1400 sources of Hadith (like Muwata Malik, Sahih Bukhari...) by 487 scholars & compliers of Hadith (such as Bukhari, Muslim...), spread into 468,110 chains of transmission, of 50,050 accounts by 2377 companions (Sahabi) about 20,744 unique events of the beloved Prophet (pbuh). Of these, 1360 unique events are reported by 7 companions -i.e. illegible for Tawatur, & more than 3700 reported by more than 3 companions. - It also indexes 6080 narrators from the successor second generation (to the companions = Tabiin, like Abu Hanifa), 8660 narrators from the follower third generation (of the successors = Atbaa, like Imam Malik), & 8560 narrators among the succeeding fourth generation followers (like Bukhari).
Given the numbers above, every unique prophetic event is, on average, reported by 2+1/2 companions, through 39 independent chains of transmission, involving some 400 narrators, & finally appearing in 60 independent book references. - This is ample evidence of the overall reliability of Hadith Tradition. 39 chains of transmission (on average) is VERY sufficient to determine the authenticity or otherwise of a hadith. Some Hadiths actually have more than 2000 chains of transmission (fulfilling Tawatur), while others (generally fabricated) have a single chain.
PART2
What exactly did Imam al-Bukhari do & why has his work gained so much approval & respect by the Hadith scholar community? - Without delving too much into this, scholars of Hadith traditionally (pre-Bukhari) relied on three methods to determine the reliability of narrators:
1. Testimony = what scholars have testified for or against these narrators, either through meeting them or examining their narrations.
2. Reputation = how are these narrators perceived by the Hadith scholar community, though this is a lesser credible method.
Bukhari took this much further, introducing a new systematic way of assessing reliability, especially for those for whom we have no available testimony. He lived three generations away from the beloved Prophet (pbuh) (i.e. he met those (Atbaa) who met those (Tabiin) who met those (Sahaba) who met him), thus much liars & fabricators appeared.
Firstly, he went around the Muslim world collecting Hadith from almost 1100 sheikhs, amounting to 600k narration.
Secondly, he studied all the narrators he came across in all these narrations, who amounted to some 41k narrator, from whom more than half were unknown. Hence, his Tarikh Kabir (Major History) biographical compilation (formerly printed in 80 volumes).
Thirdly, he devised a complex system of grading of narrators & narrations, such that reliable narrators are those who report reliable narrations, & reliable narrations are those reported by reliable narrators. - To elaborate with an analogy, imagine you were asked to grade a Multiple Choice test on Chinese literature for a class of students, & asked to accord 1 point for easy questions, 2 for medium & 3 points for difficult ones. But you don't understand Chinese. What you do is you say that easy questions are answered by most students, & difficult students are answered by the few brilliant ones. So you go through the exam papers & check corroboration between answers to deduce which are difficult & which students are brilliant...etc. This is exactly what Bukhari did, except with 600k questions & 41k students. YEP!
Fourthly, he picked from these reliable narrations what fulfilled his high standard of authentication. Namely, on top of everything else above mentioned about conditions of sound narration, he required that a narrator from another must be proven to have in fact met each-other (with testimony), he also required two corroborating narrators from each source...etc.
As to Western academia nonsense. It is simply impossible to access information in the past though anything else but a chain of transmission, without a chain of transmission which will faithfully transmit the information through the proper medium & conditions, the information is strictly lost. Does Western academia on Hadith (or History in general) fulfill absolutely any such conditions on the transmission of information? The answer is a resounding NO. Therefore, all their methods & conclusions are henceforth dismissed.
Jazakallah
@@MsYassineB brother Yasin what's your go to books to get deeper in learning more about hadith ? (English or Arabic or French ) right now i'm half way through "المعارضات الفكرية المعاصرة لأحاديث الصحيحين" by "محمد بن فريد زريوح . it's about refuting false claims against the sahihayn and i'm quite impressed with it . articles or even vids are welcomed too وجزاك الله الف خير
@@GTari-ob6bj Hello brother. The best way to learn is to find a sheikh with Isnad, to gain the spirit of the tradition & not just its letters in books. If you wish to learn more about Hadith sciences, try the books of Ibn Hajar, Suyuti, Thahabi in Rijal (science of Men)...etc. To learn Hadith methodology, check Mutalah science & Jarh Wa Taddeel science. To learn Hadith transmission, check collections of Riwaya. To learn about Narrators, check Rijal science, to learn ansab (geneology science), asmaa (name science, tarajim (biography science), tabaqat (generations), & rutab (grading science)...etc. To learn about Hadith collection, checks the books of Tadween, & so on. Some books to start with, مقدمة ابن صلاح / نزهة النظر في نخبة الفكر / الفية السيوطي....
@@MsYassineB much appreciated brother and jazaka Allahu khayran .
Tokoh2 seperti ini yang diperlukan Ummat masa kini dan masa depan ,dan Allah swt sangat menyenagi Ulil Albab,karena Ibadahnya lebih tinggi nilainya dihadapan Allah swt dibanding orang awam dalam hal ubudiyah.Kami ikhwanul muslim. Menantikan tausiah2mu,semoga akhi selalu meningkatkan mutu ibadahnya kpd sang kholik,demi kemashlahatan ummah,aamiin !
I found this discussion fascinating, not only because of its content but also because this exchange smashes all stereotypes.....I'm an African learning about the legacy of the Prophet of Islam from two caucasian Western academics .....the message is expressed with sincerity and with conviction of its truth....absolutely incredible! May you both be blessed for your efforts!
I read the audio version of "misquoting muhammad" its really great book im craving more cant wait for the next part of that book and more from Jonathan ac Brown. Jazakallah Khairan brother Jonathan! May Allah bless you for helping me understand more about Islam.
Bro Paul, pls kindly arrange another podcast with Prof. Brown for specific topic in hadist.
Listening this fruitfull podcast for 1hr+, it seems very sort to us.
This is amazing and extremely insightful, great video.
Damn, you guys are killng it with the guest line up. Prof. Jonathan Brown is a LEGEND, so happy y'all got him on the poscast. He'll be seen as one of the most of the most important scholars of the 21rst century.
Really
MashaAllah, both of you are amazing..tq for enlightened the knowledge of Hadith..you guys have strengthen my iman..may Allah grant you both the highest of paradise, Jannah...ameen
A great interview, though my only complaint is that it is too short! Thank you brother Paul for producing excellent content. May Allah SWT rewards you for your effort.
Allah is a dead God. Like all the rest of the Gods
@@agritrend4812 {Does man not see that We have created him from a sperm drop, then he becomes a clear adversary} quran 36:77
Subhanallah, did you forguet "o man", that you were a mixture of the water of your father and mother, and now you are talking about Allah❗
@@agritrend4812 You pests are like a dying criminal just trying so hard to pull us down with you but you have no power here.
@@agritrend4812 the dogs bark and the caravan passes
@@abdelhak8293 Your verse from unholy Qur'an is wrong. Humans are created by sperm and ova. Not just s adrop of sperm. But your Qur'an is rooted in ignorance or perhaps God did not know about embryology when he wrote it and passed the message along to Gabriel who then used Mohammed (camel dung be upon him) to spew out the babbling nonsense of Qur'an like the dummy of a ventriloquist. Or so the tradition goes!!!! Here is a good one for you "On the day of Khaiber, Allah's Apostle forbade the eating of garlic and the meat of donkeys" The mind of God is thus set against the eating of donkey meat! Those who eat it suffer in Hell forever!! It all suddenly makes sense!! I must convert to Islam immediately and stop eating donkeys on the day of Khaiber!
The Forgery part and how different scholars dealt with it...the fuqaaha, the mu'tazilah and ahlal hadith is mind blowing. Man Ustadh John is very very underrated as an academic. MashaaAllaah. from 16 min to 30 min. Wow.
Wow definitely gonna get my tea ready for this mashallah. Thanks again Paul and Professor Jonathan Brown 👍🏾😁
Edit: btw Jonathan Brown’s book “Misquoting Muhammad” is still one of my favourite Islamic books. I highly recommend it and inshallah will get his other books
No these Hadith Books are full of lies, and Almighty God has stopped the believers to follow them. they are not Wahi, But definitely Wahi from Shaitan,
who has the hand written Sahih Bukhari or Sahih muslim, these books never existed from original authors with their own hands., what a fool who read them and think kind of sayings of the Messenger of Allah SWT.
Even the messenger of Almighty will be complaining on the day of judgement that they were NOT reading Quran but instead fools were reading hadith books, why complaining ? because all will be in Hell and he will saying this in grief, that is they had read it they would have known today I am not the one who will beg mercy for them.
Al-Furqan (The Criterion) - 25:30
وَقَالَ الرَّسُولُ يَا رَبِّ إِنَّ قَوْمِي اتَّخَذُوا هَذَا الْقُرْآنَ مَهْجُورًا (25:30)
and Messenger will say O my Lord indeed my people hold this Quran and migrated from it.
@@adnanibnnoor_1 oh no we got a Quranist here
@@TrueRaps
What do you mean Quranist.
Dear only this book gives guidance to whom Allah wants,
and from the very first verses of Chap 2.
2:2 ذَٰلِكَ ٱلْكِتَـٰبُ لَا رَيْبَ فِيهِ هُدًى لِّلْمُتَّقِينَ
that is a book guidance for those who guard, [who are on guard all the time]
Thanks God, Allah never mentioned other books gives guidance as well.
and this is the book which will be placed on the day of judgement and thanks to Almighty God again, HE will not ask me a single question from hadith books.
Az-Zumar (The Groups) 39:69
وَأَشْرَقَتِ الْأَرْضُ بِنُورِ رَبِّهَا وَ وُضِعَ الْكِتَابُ وَجِآيءَ بِالنَّبِيِّينَ وَالشُّهَدَاءِ وَ قُضِيَ بَيْنَهُم بِالْحَقِّ وَهُمْ لَا يُظْلَمُونَ
And the earth will shine with (the) light (of) its Lord and (will) be placed the BOOK and (will) be brought the Prophets and the witnesses\ [original Shaheeds] , and it (will) be judged between them in truth and they will not be wronged .
@@adnanibnnoor_1 so basically you are a Quranist right?
@@MohamedShou
I have submitted myself to my LORD and to HIS WORDS.
and I am muslim/submitter for HIM alone.
Only he can give guidance no one else can.
This was a really good discussion - Alhamdulillah
I love watching this I learn so much thank you may Allah bless you
Thanks Mr Paul and dr Jonathan,may Allah always blessing and protected u
Assolamolaykum brother Paul, interesting topic and I find your content beneficial. May Allah guide you and brother Brown, amin. Another guest on this important subject you should have on is brother Uthman Farooq. He has a degree in Hadith and Muslims really benefit from his channel. Barrak Allah feek.
And how much can be remembered correctly , after 100 years .
Not much . Why waste life and its precious time , trying to figure out is it true or false .
When there is plenty in Quran to work on CHARACTER BUILDING COMMUNITY BUILDING NATION BUILDING . Making human life better than we found .
Hadees is used and abused upon naieve Muslims by non Muslims as well as Muslims .This lawrence looks like doing the same job as lawrence of Arabia . Creating confusion . Creating hyperreligiosity and playing with emotions there after .
We will as foolish as we are will realise only after a lot of damage is done . As for me
i am happy with ONE GOD ONE HUMAN RACE ONE BOOK ONE PROPHET ,
Run to do good . Patience and Mercy for each other. CHARITY AND COMPASSION FOR ALL . For MUSLIMS CHRISTIANS JEWS ETC . God is the most wise and most forgiving . God give us knowledge and wisdom .
Yet another terrific interview with a terrific guest, MashaAllah...
Thank you Paul, I understand a little by listening, but understand more with English captions. My English is bad. Greetings from Indonesia. 33:44 minutes. It does take a lot of energy to think about this. 😍😍
Subtitles added in 30 languages
@@BloggingTheology Thanks. 🙏
thx everyone for their amazing work, I highly recommend for everyone to listen whatsoever you are, Muslim and non Muslim,sunnia shia or ibadi or you are agree or disagree.
Thank you. I always wanted to understand Qur'anists. I still do not understand but I Know why the ahadith are important.. Thank you Paul and thank you Prof J Brown. I have to read this book.
And how much can be remembered correctly , after 100 years .
Not much . Why waste life and its precious time , trying to figure out is it true or false .
When there is plenty in Quran to work on CHARACTER BUILDING COMMUNITY BUILDING NATION BUILDING . Making human life better than we found .
Hadees is used and abused upon naieve Muslims by non Muslims as well as Muslims .This lawrence looks like doing the same job as lawrence of Arabia . Creating confusion . Creating hyperreligiosity and playing with emotions there after .
We will as foolish as we are will realise only after a lot of damage is done . As for me
i am happy with ONE GOD ONE HUMAN RACE ONE BOOK ONE PROPHET ,
Run to do good . Patience and Mercy for each other. CHARITY AND COMPASSION FOR ALL . For MUSLIMS CHRISTIANS JEWS ETC . God is the most wise and most forgiving . God give us knowledge and wisdom .
Jazakallah Khair. Didn’t know about some of this relationship between historical documents related to the Holy Prophet. Ameen
This is great interview! I know that Paul produces high quality material but this one is exceptionally good! I learned so much about Hadith sciences, early developments and methods. I usually tend to be familiar with subject matter before I watch it but this one was superb! Thank you so much Paul 😍😍
Hadith sciences. Utter absurdity in that phrase. Like saying "vegan butchers" Ahadith are mostly invented bullshit. Most of it is totally fictional.
@@agritrend4812 This shows the sheer ignorance you display. The word ''science'' is from Greek which means ''knowledge'', can refer to academic or systemic study of any subject matter - even history can have ''science''. It is broader then scientific study or physics. Even population consensus is academic study.
A Muslim Encounters JESUS CHRIST On His Hospital Bed, Bishop Haifham Besmar - Samal Saleem: A Muslim Cries Out To JESUS ( cultural jihadist/USA hears the audible voice of GOD)
@@cindyweatherly4501 Uh?
@@summertea4382 The "science" or more accurately the anthropological and historical analysis of the origin of the corpus of ahadith, strongly suggests that most of it is invented bullshit and to be of no more value to mankind, than the recently invented Q-Anon theories which are followed by and believed by tens of millions of Republican voters in the USA. Q-Anon and Islam are just competing types of voo-doo!
Mr.Paul, may the almighty bless you and your life for bringing light of Islam to the western world. 🤲
Great discussion, Paul. However, I feel like Dr. Brown could have explained/elaborated some things better.
Example 1: "many versions of one hadith". Often times it's just a swap of two words... ex. "I love Theology Blogging" where it should've been "I love Blogging Theology". As if Bukhari was trying to show us the correct and false word order...nevertheless, the content of both hadiths are essentially correct. Moreover, the hadiths of Bukhari that 'really' are in question, are about 30". There are reasons for that which take me to my second example.
Example 2: Perhaps a mini intro to the 'Hadith studies' to give the viewers idea of how hadiths are checked, analyzed, picked etc...
Example 3: He could've also spoken about who Bukhari was and his work to give the viewer a glimpse of why we call his book the second most authentic book after the Quran OR rather the most accurate book a human can produce. He left out many valuable pieces of information about Bukhari's collection. I guess the time wasn't on his side.
Other than that, another masterpiece. Thanks a lot, Paul. Maybe, if possible you could have Dr. Brown again.
And how much can be remembered correctly , after 100 years .
Not much . Why waste life and its precious time , trying to figure out is it true or false .
When there is plenty in Quran to work on CHARACTER BUILDING COMMUNITY BUILDING NATION BUILDING . Making human life better than we found .
Hadees is used and abused upon naieve Muslims by non Muslims as well as Muslims .This lawrence looks like doing the same job as lawrence of Arabia . Creating confusion . Creating hyperreligiosity and playing with emotions there after .
We will as foolish as we are will realise only after a lot of damage is done . As for me
i am happy with ONE GOD ONE HUMAN RACE ONE BOOK ONE PROPHET ,
Run to do good . Patience and Mercy for each other. CHARITY AND COMPASSION FOR ALL . For MUSLIMS CHRISTIANS JEWS ETC . God is the most wise and most forgiving . God give us knowledge and wisdom .
@@786humaira1 "God give us knowledge and wisdom" that sounds very biblical to me...You beleive God gave all of us knowledge and wisdom?
Laissez le temps au temps/ le temps que leurs compréhension de l.islam SERA au niveau de vos connaissances CAR l'environnement et le quotidien des personnes qui vivants dans un pays où dans une communauté musulmane on plus de faciliter à comprendre et s'adapter à la signification de certains hadiths)
(Comme par exemple:manger 7 dattes chaque matin fait fuir les juins QUI rôdent dans les barrages))
Il faut vraiment vivre dans un pays où les palmiers de dattes son à la porte de vos attentes)
Salam alykhom frère et soeurs)
Jazzah Allah Khayran Paul another excellent presentation blessing to both of you.
Superb! Many thanks Paul for bringing Jonathan Brown to speak about his area of expertise.
😂 😂 😂 area Expertise 😂, have you looked what he believes
Thank you Paul. Jazak Allah khayran and your guest as well.
I am only at 5 minutes of the video and I am already impressed by this man. He speaks like any classical scholar of ahl Sunnah wa.al jamaaa. Mashallah:)
But doesn’t act like classical scholar..
@@obaidrehman5235 how do they act? I never met one of them. I meant scholars like imam Malik and Ibn Qayem and so on.
He's Pro LGBT, far from classical scholar of ahl sunnah.
@@haezlitt ok. It's the first time I listen to him. Anyway, what has been said in this video is conform with the teachings of Ahl Alhadeeth school specifically.
And how much can be remembered correctly , after 100 years .
Not much . Why waste life and its precious time , trying to figure out is it true or false .
When there is plenty in Quran to work on CHARACTER BUILDING COMMUNITY BUILDING NATION BUILDING . Making human life better than we found .
Hadees is used and abused upon naieve Muslims by non Muslims as well as Muslims .This lawrence looks like doing the same job as lawrence of Arabia . Creating confusion . Creating hyperreligiosity and playing with emotions there after .
We will as foolish as we are will realise only after a lot of damage is done .( just like with lawrence of Arabia , he learnt Arabic under guise of archeologist , made the crazy arabs go crazier of those times and they were lured to rebel against their own CALIPHA and then side with British . So what do British do help create israel and spill blood of Arabs like it is water , they did in the past and are still doing it . Iraq and Syria and Yemen are best examples . US AND BRITISH backed rebellion in Syria going on . As for me
i am happy with ONE GOD ONE HUMAN RACE ONE BOOK ONE PROPHET ,
Run to do good . Patience and Mercy for each other. CHARITY AND COMPASSION FOR ALL . For MUSLIMS CHRISTIANS JEWS ETC . God is the most wise and most forgiving . God give us knowledge and wisdom .
Love this conversation... thanks to Sir Paul and Sir Brown, have a nice day...
As an alAzharian, i could attest to this lecture of brother Jonathan Bin Brown on hadeeth and its history or development. This is what true scholarship means, as opposed to present day self-made scholars.
You're also fed up of them? Lol.
More dangerously, these self made scholars are those who think all the others are either mushrik or from the ahlul bid'ah. May Allah save us all from the fitnahs. Aameen.
@@Abdullah.......... yeah u know what i mean..i hope brother Paul would soon be able to see beyond that cult's understanding of Islam thru his online interaction with true scholars such as this brother. Islamic realm of knowledge is so great like the ocean. Dont limit it with only Ibn Taymiah's and the likes.
JazakAllahu Khairun Ustadh Paul Williams. Your channel is the best channel on TH-cam, MashaAllah TabarakAllah!
Wow, thank you
Dear Paul; AOA Bro; you are doing an amazing and thoughtful work at higher intellectual level. Jaza ka Allah Khyran for sharing Bro. Here is list of few scholars to discuss various fascinating topics in future slowly but surely…1. Hamza Yusuf, Zaytuna college, California, USA 2. Abdul Nasir Janda, Qalam institute, Dallas, TX, USA 3. Wisam Sharieff, Dallas, TX , USA 4. Yasir Qadhi, Dallas, TX, USA. Would be nice to connect with these scholars and prominent figures to discuss various interesting topics. We are enjoying your inspiring discussions so much. Keep up these wonderful works dear Bro Paul…..
Doctor Jonathan brown has said things that goes against Qur'an and sunnah.
He has been exposed by Daniel haqiqatjou
Ask Allah for guidance and then do your research
And Allah knows best
brilliant analysis I learn a lot of things. thanks, Mr, Paul to make this program
Thanks both of you for such a wonderful discussion .
Jazakallah brother Paul. This was very informative. God bless! :)
JazakAllah....Learned A lot today...
Thank you this talk answered some of my own enqueries of Islam. God bless.x
JB is a really good author and lecturer AH. You can tell he’s a professor at a bonafide university in the US. None of this stuff is overly complicated. It can all be learned and explained. But to be able to explain it, you must know it, and not simply memorize and regurgitate the slogans you were taught.
And how much can be remembered correctly , after 100 years .
Not much . Why waste life and its precious time , trying to figure out is it true or false .
When there is plenty in Quran to work on CHARACTER BUILDING COMMUNITY BUILDING NATION BUILDING . Making human life better than we found .
Hadees is used and abused upon naieve Muslims by non Muslims as well as Muslims .This lawrence looks like doing the same job as lawrence of Arabia . Creating confusion . Creating hyperreligiosity and playing with emotions there after .
We will as foolish as we are will realise only after a lot of damage is done . As for me
i am happy with ONE GOD ONE HUMAN RACE ONE BOOK ONE PROPHET ,
Run to do good . Patience and Mercy for each other. CHARITY AND COMPASSION FOR ALL . For MUSLIMS CHRISTIANS JEWS ETC . God is the most wise and most forgiving . God give us knowledge and wisdom .
@@786humaira1 what are you rambling about???
@@786humaira1 are you stupid? The Qur'an was orally transmitted and to this day is still being memorised... You don't think people will remember the Prophet's (Peace be upon him) teaching? If it isn't for Ahadith... You wouldn't even know who he was.
Don’t know much about the Professor but his knowledge about the topic is obviously intense Allah reward him for his efforts. May Allah increase you and all the viewers in knowledge and piety. And guide us as always, we make supplication for guidance upon the straight path. Ameen
This is the same professor who said Muslims in the States should be advocating for LGBT rights, and he argues it would be wrong to equivocate people of lot and the modern LGBTQ, since people of lot were " forcing themselves on others", this is the same argument employed by modern Christian revisionist who argue that the people of lot were punished for rape and general debauchery.
@@RobinoftheHod @Æthelstan yes we should all keep quite in the face of falsehood and corruption /s. You're preaching passivity whilst the kind of Mr. Brown are active in their advocacy. I've raised a point, either come up with a counter point or shut up.
Peace be unto you all. ✌🏽
@@haezlitt you’re doing the right thing by speaking up against falsehood. Those who have knowledge but who don’t teach people and warn the population against sly and corrupted ideologies will be held accountable for their silence and lenientness.
How many times in the Qur’an has Allah ordained that the believers should enjoin the good and forbid the wrong?
Defend the truth and refute the innovators even if the ignorant ones think it’s “not nice” or “backbiting”. Don’t let these weak and false accusations dishearten you, ever.
Gotta give it to Prof Brown, I really benefited from his works on the topics of hadith and slavery. May Allah reward him for that.
Shame on you how you can take ilm from him??? He promots alphabet peoples right. Check "masjid ribat" ilm is there insha'Allah
@@um9532 What is your qualification for judging him?
@@trignal No qualifications. He's just spreading fitnah. Anything that seems a little out of their "cult", they think its wrong. So don't worry about it, you'll see many fitnahs like this on TH-cam.
beautiful interview, jazakkum Allah kharian.
Love from Pakistan 🇵🇰❤️
Guys we should spread this channel to other people ..plz mention ways how can we do that?
Doctor Jonathan brown has said things that goes against Qur'an and sunnah.
He has been exposed by Daniel haqiqatjou
Ask Allah for guidance and then do your research
And Allah knows best
Thanks to sir Paul and sir Brown . I love this conversation.
I met him about 13 yrs ago, much more mature and wise. Fruitful discussion, thanks Paul and Dr Brown
WOW, great. Thank you Paul & Jonathan!
Such a logical person. Anti Islam agenda is exposed by this scholar .
Amazing wealth of knowledge . Allah bless you all.
The best thing about Prof Brown is he's so relatable and humble Mashallah!
And LGBTQ supporter
@@justagymcell2373 🙄
Do not belive anything anybody tells about someone
pls check the truth and then react
its always easy for accusing with falsehood
so pls check
@@MohamedShou check out his comments regarding LGBTQ community you'll know
@@justagymcell2373 What makes you qualified to comment? A whole hour of discussion and that's all you can come up with? You are a perfect example of what is wrong with the Muslim community.
I knew of Dr Jonathan brown from this channel & I even came to like him very much before he appeared here. Thanks brother Paul for bringing him on BT.
Jonathan Brown who studied Arabic for merely one year is a scholar in Hadith?! Wow that's very impressive, the guy should only talk in history, his field of expertise.
You can't be expect in Shakespeare while you can't even speak English.
Facts
He's studied Arabic for far more than one year, has a PhD in the subject, and has extensively researched the works of hadith in the Indian subcontinent.
@@jpaqon the education establishments where he has studied is not where you will find bonafide scholars of hadith teachers, I mean just the thought of the likes of shaykh al-fawzaan teaching at Yale or Columbia University is quite hilarious, this is why there are Islamic education establishments like Madinah University or Umm al-Qura University (Makkah) this is where credible ma’shaaykh teach the various Islamic sciences. You will not find these scholars teaching at kufar institutes to a secular audience so the question that arises here is what calibre of scholars is Jonathan getting his knowledge from? Also, knowing Arabic does not qualify someone to provide commentaries on hadith collections, tulaab go through years of studying Arabic grammar on its own before even touching any other part of the Arabic sciences, once they have a firm grounding of the language they look at mustala al hadith from all angles, Ilm ar-Rijaal, Isnaad, Matn, Al-Jarh Wat-Ta'deel to name a few there are so many different disciplines a student of knowledge needs to be firmly grounded in to be considered a hadith student.
Which scholar from the Indian subcontinent did he get his ijazah from?
@@jpaqon just because some did phd or have professor with their name doesn’t make them scholar of every field
Funny about people (both muslim and non-muslim) who dismiss formal degrees from reputable institutions throughout the world. "Ask the people of knowledge when you do not know" (Surah An-Nahl 16:43). A PhD in Islamic studies from the University of Chicago where he got his PhD is good enough for me just as any other respected higher center of islamic learning.
subhanallah alhamdulillah allahu akbar..Islam so easy to understand
The great Taabi’ee Muhammad ibn Sireen (D.110AH) said:“Indeed this knowledge is your religion, so look to whom you take your religion from.” Be careful who you take your deen from!-
So now you Madkhalees have a problem with him also? You are sick man. I see you everywhere spreading your fitnah everywhere. Don't forget that the biggest "quoter" of Quran and Hadith were the Khwarijees at that time.
You are a pseudo salafi. You are not a real salafi. You have hatred filled inside you. Ask yourself, look into your heart, and tell me, do you hate Asharis more, or do you hate the mushriks more? Answer me honestly, Madkhalee.
@@Abdullah.......... Do you understand why bidah is rejected and despised?
@@qmr0n Tarawih was a bidaah , Seperation of Man and Woman in mosque was a bidaah , Blind taqlid was a bidaah , canonization of ritual of Haj was bidaah
@@aqilshamil9633 Tarawih is not a religious bid’ah because the prophet himself salAllahu alayhi wasallam did it, Umar radhiAllahu 3nhu was using the linguistic meaning,
men and women were always segregated in the mosques and that was always the goal, muslims just acquired the ability to build proper buildings and do it more effectively,
taqlid is a part of the religion but extreme taqlid such as the hanafis who don’t care about the sahih hadiths is indeed wrong to be an extreme in that sense: blind taqlid is valid for the prophet salAllahu alayhi wasallam,
not sure about the Hajj thing but when you have 2 billion muslims adaptions need to be made to accommodate for that obligation.
Stop spreading this nonesense please and learn before you speak.
@@Abdullah.......... which of the companions were ‘Ashari’?
So many nuances in his descriptions, really great.
Aslm brother Paul another excellent interview an excellent scholar in Johnathan brown may Allah bless you all for the excellent work we are blessed to have excellent people like yourself in Islam.... Excellent
Paul thanks for this good guest👍👍👍
For Professor LGBT Quran clearly says:
"Here you are - those invited to spend in the cause of Allah - but among you are those who withhold [out of greed]. And whoever withholds only withholds [benefit] from himself; and Allah is the Free of need, while you are the needy. And if you turn away, He will replace you with another people; then they will not be the likes of you."(Quran 47:38)
@ClubHop Speak for yourself. He is highly respected in the orthodox community. Its funny how he can debate that LBGT issue with other scholars who are respectful and still have adab towards him, yet this basic adab escapes most Muslims. He is not saying his opinion is truth or even popular. He is merely presenting an argument and making a case. He never condones it either, he only make the case that legally there might be reason to allow it in a secular society. Other scholars disagree with him, but they still have a civil discussion and present their arguments with proper adab. One controversial opinion doesn't wipe away all the good and credentials he has.
@@TanerTech Mr TanerTech: Muslim scholars opinion in a Muslim community is as important and regarded as some of the foundations. A scholar derives or set goals for the whole Muslim community instead of just "chit chatting" and passing personal opinions publicly in relation to deen. A Muslim scholar must be careful for what he is saying in font of the public since there are lot of people who are inspired by this self proclaimed scholar of Islam. This is not simple as agreement or disagreement, this is the fundamental core concept of Islam on the basis of which the whole nation has been wiped out. If he disagrees with what Quran says then he even cannot claim to be Muslim though he is presenting himself to be the scholar. If he has his personal opinions then it should not be passed or delivered in public vicinity since he is already influencing lot of Muslims in the US claiming to be a Muslim scholar. Most of the Yakeener's are of his type and are getting Government funds to create the divisions and deviations including him to secularize Islam including Yasir Qadhi, Ilhan Omar etc etc. Muslim scholars agreement or disagreement does not effect the core principles or essence of Quran (Harams & Halals) because everyone since 1400 years have their agreement, the agreement and disagreement can be found on rather other issues. He is not representing the Muslims instead he is the part of a cult. His articles on yakeen's website is full of this filth and if it was his personal opinion then it should not be presented in his articles defending their rights to marry.
@@singalongme1 he is not disagreeing but only way to get people to Islam is by using liberal methods, and he lives in a western country and he can’t get people to Islam if starts making statements against lgbt, but using more of liberal method. I might not follow his way but it’s a crime to make statements against lgbt in western countries
Many thanks for this great session!
This is amazing!
Great interview... many many thanks.. Allah bless you both
*Zuhri*
The man who first time started to forge hadith was Mullah Zuhri. He was EMPLOYEE of Omayyad Caliphs and also later of Abbasid Caliphs. Caliphs used him to fabricate hadiths for their Political gains; and Goldziher has given its full proof in his books. When Omayyad Caliphs had dispute with Abd-Allah bin Zubayr who was Ruler of Mecca; Omayyad Caliphs stopped Syrian Muslims going Mecca for Hajj because during Hajj, Abd-Allah bin Zubayr used to take oath of loyalty from pilgrims. But Syrian Muslims started to protest how can Omayyad Caliph stop them from Hajj when Hajj is ordained in Quran. Now in order to diffuse this problem: Omayyad Caliph pressurized Zuhri to FORGE hadith of two Qibla, one in Mecca and other in Jerusalem. Then Omayyad Caliphs built a Mosque in Jerusalem (60 years after the death of Prophet) and named it Masjid-al-Aqsa in order to attach verse 17:1 with this new mosque. Syrians were successfully fooled by Omayyad Caliphs and Zuhri, and Syrian Muslims were doing FAKE Hajj in Jerusalem for about two years until Omayyad Caliphs Captured Mecca and murdered Abd-Allah bin Zubayr. Zuhri himself confessed that he had no plan to write/spread hadiths but Malook (kings) pressed me.
And how much can be remembered correctly , after 100 years .
Not much . Why waste life and its precious time , trying to figure out is it true or false .
When there is plenty in Quran to work on CHARACTER BUILDING COMMUNITY BUILDING NATION BUILDING . Making human life better than we found .
Hadees is used and abused upon naieve Muslims by non Muslims as well as Muslims .This lawrence looks like doing the same job as lawrence of Arabia . Creating confusion . Creating hyperreligiosity and playing with emotions there after .
We will as foolish as we are will realise only after a lot of damage is done . As for me
i am happy with ONE GOD ONE HUMAN RACE ONE BOOK ONE PROPHET ,
Run to do good . Patience and Mercy for each other. CHARITY AND COMPASSION FOR ALL . For MUSLIMS CHRISTIANS JEWS ETC . God is the most wise and most forgiving . God give us knowledge and wisdom .
Very insightful video with Dr. Jonathan Brown. Keep up the great work inviting great Muslim minds to discuss variety of Islamic discourse. Would love to see Laurence Brown back on to talk about the trinity.