Salaams, brother Paul, and thank you. This was an excellent listen. Growing up in Dublin in a very roman Catholic family and at school, which was run by the church, we were taught to fear god and given no explanations. I was terrified of the imagery in our local church, which was massive, like a cathedral. I would have nightmares as a child about those idols. I was more scared of god than the devil !
1:05:20 I am surprised of the word choice in the subtitle " How The Quran TRANSFORMs The Problem Of Evil." I would have chosen "Answer" or "Explain" the problem of Evil. Am I missing a naunce? Jazak Allah Kheir for this geat discussion. Amin
Bernadettetormey, I would think that the best is teaching children first God's loving (one of his name is al wadud) teaching them to ask God when you need something etc.. God respond, God is merciful and forgive.. later when they become 10 or 12 more about Justice of God etc.. and then later punishment etc... as for Idols I agree, though born muslim first time I visited a church happen to be Catholic I was shocked, my general impression was the place is dark (physically) but the idols gave it even more scary..an air of glo ominess and shad owy feeling, and once I was invited for a wedding when i heard word like "God blo..." and God flesh and the " bread" they ate and the symbolize I was very very surprised and really was taken aback from these expressions about Almighty and drinking his .. or eating his... it caused big impression on me and thought 'NO way that this is part of God's path" I say that with all respect though... I could write pages on detailed feeling in my tour.. if I could summarize the place it was "as if it were museum for the dead" an introduction toward hell I swear with statues with pain and tears and ...... I was not looking to validate my Islamic faith (I was weak at that time not practicing though had strong faith in Allah and that Islam is true) I was not even comparing back then, I visited many churches later.. I was saying my impression now (when I look back and try to express my initial impression) , I sometimes explain more and even my christian friends would say "we enjoy it you should write a book etc"
Very interesting conversation brother Paul, I remember listening to this interview the first time as I was driving through Oklahoma City on my way towards New Mexico. I'm listening to it again in order to grasp the message better. Jazak Allahu Khayran.
Thank you brother Paul for bringing this subject to our attention. Also I love books 🤣. On a related note to the discussion, the reason for our existence is tied in to it to some extent. It would be very hard to understand the intention or purpose of our existence if you don’t accept the Islamic frame of mind of life after death. Once you’ve understood it, it’s very liberating and every suffering is a blessing. I can write extensively of how everything is interconnected and how even hatred is a pointless emotion that you should do away with since it only stains your soul. We can all benefit from having a stroll and contemplate about this matter especially the feelings of gratitude and how every evil may assist you in having a greater clarity of what is good. 🤣
interesting read, thank you Edward, also people think test and trial are in hardship, but they are in blessings too : not only wealth, and health, beauty , if a person is very attractive and or charismatic he/she receive many signs and indication or invitation and temptation.. etc etc.. Same with intelligence, some may use it to manipulate or mislead others, same with education etc.. I see what you mean about interconnection , 100% agree it is fascinating subject.. it even increase depth in our understanding. Also wealth can be given "in advance" for good deed from non muslims for their contribution like in medicine, transportation making life comfortable .. Some of these deeds were done for goodness some for money but produced great ease for many, so when will God give them such reward! In this life, hence you see certain people /regions are doing well because they did their homework and some good deeds so God give them the full reward in this life but no share in the next because Faith is essential..
My life verse is Philippians 4:6-7 which says, “Do not be anxious about anything, but in everything by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving, let your requests be made known to God. And the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus.” It's not about dwelling on why bad things happen to good people, it's about what you will do about all that comes at you. Turning it all over to God is the best thing you can do for yourself; let God be God in your life! Amen and Alleluia !
Good topic, and should be directed to those in doubts whether Allah exists. They see good and bad things happening especially sickness and death, over which they have no control. Yet they refused to submit to the Person Who has control.
Very well discussion, indeed. Allah SWT is Invisible, but Real, in times of things happening beyond our control and capability to do so. Yet, to Allah SWT we always seek and request for helps, and that, certainly under His consent, whether He will help or change it into something else, which is way better than we never thought before... Wallahu'alam bi Shawab.
اللهم صل على محمد و على ال محمد كما صليت على ابراهيم و على ال ابراهيم و بارك على محمد و على ال محمد كما باركت على ابراهيم و على ال ابراهيم في العالمين انك حميد مجيد
Since humans have free will it is their mischievous behavior that leads to the bad things .......there is good,bad,punishment, reward and free will...it is not a loose party here....
The fact that someone would ask this question is because their fitrah naturally and automatically believes not only in the existence of God but also attributes Goodness to Him as opposed to evil. Even though He, in His infinite wisdom created evil as a means of test for humanity in this worldly realm.
which is why he does nothing while the victims of our evil suffer unbelievable pain in this life........... "hey, i have you the ability, you are responsible, i ain t fixing your evil"........ "let them die of torture and famine, not my problem" ........
I don't think that the Qur'an is to be interpreted with the abrogation method as some people imply. One verse doesn't and cannot abrogate the other, instead one verse explains and helps to connect the dots in the Qur'an. If one verse contradicts the other it doesn't mean that it is to be abrogated, rather there's an error in your methodology that makes you think that it contradicts the other verses, but it doesn't. For example, GOD in the Qur'an says that: 1) GOD doesn't wrong any soul at all [4:40] 2) GOD doesn't approve of disbelief for his servants [39:7] 3) Whoever wants to believe, let him believe [18:29]. But in numerous other verses, GOD says that he has power over all things: [2:284] [3:26] [9:39] [67:1]. Does that mean GOD approves of evil and it abrogates the other verses? No. The phrase "GOD has power over all things" simply means that there's no realm where you may desire and pursue corruption and you will not be recompensed for what your hands have set forth. GOD clearly doesn't approve of immorality: [7:28] [17:32]. And GOD knows best.
If you still interpret the Qur'an with that scholarly approved abrogation method (approved by certain factions of scholars), then you have to accept that the GOD of the Vedas is the one true GOD and the only one worthy of worship. Because he says in [RIG VEDA, 10:48, 5] that he is the revealer of true knowledge that is eternal and therefore cannot be abrogated. If you think that the GOD of the Qur'an revealed knowledge that can be abrogated by another flow of true knowledge, then you are basically implying that the GOD of the Qur'an is a Demiurge God and not one true GOD who can only reveal true and eternal knowledge (astagfirullah). It's the question of truth and falsehood, so you cannot be in ᵈᵉⁿⁱᵃˡ at this point. May GOD guide us to the true understanding of the Qur'an free from others' forcefully imposed interpretation.
"GOD doesn't approve of disbelief for his servants [39:7]" His servants believe, that's why they are His servants. A disbelieving servant is an oxymoron. Allah being silly here.
@@erique-eljoven being a servant of GOD is a state of being, so if you move away from that state, you are no longer in that state of being. GOD doesn't approve of disbelief for his servants because then, all of your toiling on the scripture will not produce any fruits and will go in vain. Just like the Torah tells us that if you turn away it's gonna stop raining, which can be interpreted both literally in historical contexts and metaphorically to mean that the clouds of insightful knowledge will stop raining and providing GODly insights into your mind. And GOD knows best.
@@erique-eljoven you filled with filthy. Not a follower of Jesus.DrBart Earman Cote christian religion is not teaching of Jesus rather teaching by others about Jesus. Clean yr brain like white sheet& study about GOD taeching through Jesus
17:35 "To test which of you will be the best in deeds" Allah wants to find out, hence the test. He doesn't know, He's not all-knowing, He doesn't exist.
Salaam! 36:36 everything created in pairs. The law of opposites, ying and yang, etc. In regards to qadar, there is a tradition that goes, " a person asked Ali (R.A.) explain our relationship to qadar! Ali( R.A.) said, lift your right leg and hold that position, now raise your left leg, our free will is in between that"! So humans have free will within boundaries of Allah's creational process! Quran states whatever good happens to you is from Allah, whatever evil happens to you is because of what your own hands have brought upon yourself! We have Dunya and Akhirah, and the Believers are taught to use the Dunya to aquire success in the Akhirah. Success and failure are what Allah has established! Allah knows best!
@@redbeardandfriends The true dichotomy lies in the test: some are tested through perseverance, enduring trials and hardships, while others are tested through gratitude, navigating abundance and blessings
@@redbeardandfriends agreed partly... it does come as a package deal in free will but one is not relative to the other... evil can be relative to other evil but not to good... thats why we have objective good and bad... gradadation within one side being relative is understandable like unaliving someone vs cutting in a queue.. both bad but one is worse... on the other hand saving someone from drowning vs giving good advise...both good but one is far better... but if you compare giving good advise to cutting in line...theres no relativism ...one is clearly objectively good and the other is not
As salmi ‘Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa barakatu I think a better term for what you’re looking for is actually in the Qur’an found in Surah Rahman and the concept is of course found all throughout Islam called Mizan(balance)
I finally finished this well thought out and discussed (and I'm assuming written) discussion on the problem of evil. One question - did the speaker dispense with, include, or modify deprivation (evil being the absence of good)?
may Allah grant you light in all that you do, in your words, face, actions and intention. Light is the best barakah you can have, the rest is temporary time here not even a minute compared to t he eternity that await us.. (not 100 billion years) more than that.. when we really really reflect on that, we become more consoled by Allah.
Thank you for this stimulating discussion. I think a common definition of evil is what intentionally causes suffering. Surely there are instances of imposing suffering in causes seen as righteous, such as in war. But it is still evil.
Brother Paul, can you put all your videos into a Playlist? I play your videos on TV while working. it's kinda a hassle to search each and everytime for your videos. If it's on a playlist. at least I can let it be and play all your videos automatically. I can watch each videos of yours 6 times no problem. just put it all into one playlist.
Shaheed Ayatullah Morteza Mutahairi in his famous book " Adel Elahi ( Divine Justice) addressed this topic of Evil. I think he took the position Evil did not exist it was absence of good. I need to recheck
قُل لِّلَّذِينَ آمَنُوا يَغْفِرُوا لِلَّذِينَ لَا يَرْجُونَ أَيَّامَ اللَّهِ لِيَجْزِيَ قَوْمًا بِمَا كَانُوا يَكْسِبُونَ ﴿١٤﴾. Tell all who have attained to faith that they should forgive those who do not believe in the coming of the Days of God, [since it is] for Him [alone] to requite people for whatever they may have earned. (14
“Disobedience without Tawba” starts of with Shaytan when he disobeyed God and never repented which ultimately lead him to become an evil force “Evil is absence of Good” story of Habil and Qabil, when Qabil neglected the right path and went for an evil choice
Assalamo alaikom brothers, About Gaza the perspective of Gaza lessons for all the world but especially Muslims,is 2 major lessons, one is the true free Muslim who can free himself from fear,bad feelings,materialism…all evil , he won’t have problem to be ready to die if it was ment to happen,because the Gaza people are the most free people on the earth right now. They believe in god destiny the bad and the good of it. The second lesson is that this modern western civilization is only taking us as humans to inhuman state where the powerful sets up the rules and can decide to eliminate other people that don’t agree with,don’t believe the same beliefs ,don’t look like him,or are in his way to make more money and power. But thank Allah this is changing in the west ,slowly but surely,alhamdolillah!
Quran Chapter 4, Verse 78: "When something good befalls them, they say, “This is from Allah,” but when something evil befalls them, they say, “This is from you.” Say, ˹O Prophet,˺ “Both have been destined by Allah.” So what is the matter with these people? They can hardly comprehend anything!" Dr Mustafa Khattab
The answer is clear in Quran. This life is a test, and you as the one taking the test, must answer all sorts of question and pass all sorts of challenges. Whether it's easy, or difficult. The test i.e the challenge must be passed. These stuff? Are the difficult questions.
I understand what you are getting at, but the problem of evil is a lot more nuanced and complicated than what you are making it out to be. Consider a tsunami that wipes out a city. Who is that a test for? People are swiftly killed and taken away in an instant. How could this be a just test? We can also consider a situation aside from human suffering. What about animals? Lets say an animal in the woods gets a sick or hurt and undergoes immense pain for the rest of its life. Unlike a human, the animal isn't even able to understand why it's hurt. It has to just endure the suffering with no clue as to why. So I ask you, who is this a test for?
@@Iraniansunnimuslim Exactly but people like to overcomplicate things and some people outright deny that life is a test by denying free will, for example: Atheists, Calvinists (Those who follow John Calvin's faction of Christianity), and certain people among the Atharis etc. Even though the answers are clear in the Qur'an, Torah [rather what we have of the Torah], and other such scriptures (only if you interpret them methodologically). And even if they disbelieve in GOD's books, the answers are clear by Fitrah [innate disposition] and by observing things around us. As the Qur'an says, "Humanity is in dispute about most things" may GOD guide us.
Allah is testing us to find something out about us that He doesn't know yet. That's why you put someone to the test. He's not all-knowing so He does not exist.
why we need to rationalized everything including the "God create intention or not"? Since rational itself prescribed by our capacity to imagine, patternalized, that will always associate with our assumption about a things. That's prove our limits. If we need to rationalized intention, then we need to understand what intention itself presicely as the concept, first. Second, we need to know what this concept related to our question (in this case did God Create Intention). But since Intention itself was built-in, then we cannot make sure what the intention really is, how it works, how it related to other things, because so much chance that could be bias. That's the 1 problem that could identified yet. I'll make it easy: Intention that we know could be incomprehesif (that might be false also). So, when we trying to run the logic in some condtion (in this length-> 27:30 - 27:37 ) we could fall to semantic problem.
Good and bad things can happen if a all powerful and all loving god doesn't exist, but evil cannot exist if there exists a god that is all powerful and all loving
@@bamboo1763 worst argument ever. it really tells you a lot about the average IQ of an atheist person when you see comments like this all over the internet, so keep em coming. It's like asking why a father that loves his child more than anything but sees him eating nothing but candy and spending time playing video games all day would try to limit the amount of candy he eats and time he spends playing. in the child's eyes at that time, his father is evil and doesn't want him to have fun but obviously the father knows better and knows where that will lead and is doing it for the long term benefit of his child.
@Myssiah Yes because inflicting a child with terminal illness and killing him before he reaches adulthood is going to benefit him in the long term. There are things that are objectively evil; they do not benefit the victim in any way. There is no excuse for the existence of the existence of evil except that god is either not all powerful or he is not all loving or he doesn't exist.
@@bamboo1763 God is not a man He doesn't exist in our dimension. He doesn't feel what will feel u are saying this because u take God as a man he doesn't have human feelings. Take example as will a GTA developer feel sad when mpc get shot. Or Do tree feel sad when a human being died. So if child get sick and died at infant. He will be in paradise InshaAllah. The purpose of this world is to gain after life.
@@bamboo1763 That's because of your narrow minded view and stubbornness to accept that there is more than this earthly life. that's your fault, no one else's. for people that accept there is an eternal afterlife, suffering for a few years with terminal illness and getting higher rewards in Jannah or dying before reaching adulthood and getting a shortcut to Jannah without needing to face this life's trials and tribulations can be seen as a much better alternative. we as Muslims are completely at peace with that knowing these things. that's why you see people in Gaza with happy smiles even when everything around them is destroyed and they feel no safety because they know that fact to be true and that this temporary life is just the first step to something much greater. Also, your second phrase is meaningless, and I am saying this from personal experience. it only applies to an atheist living in a nihilistic reality. I too was once living such life and it's only through trauma that I was able to get back to God and understand things much better and see all the signs. and if it wasn't for that, I would've committed suicide and in fact atheists have the highest suicide rates for that very reason. Also, living through these difficult times allows you to appreciate the perfect life waiting for you in the afterlife much more. Much like how a person that works out and eats healthy would feel a lot more satisfaction and happiness than someone that just cheats and takes steroids without putting in the effort.
With out bad times bad things they are will be no test simple answer if you want paradise gets ready for the test almighty Lord will be testing us many ways sometimes hunger sometimes with illness sometimes with wars sometimes many others hardship in this world it's already mentioned in his guide book holy Qur'an and to the hadith of the last prophet Muhammad (pbuh)may almighty Lord guide us and give us understanding of the truth Ameen🙏
Short answer.. If God exist, why do bad things happen? It happens because growth occurs. And growth lead to different decision making. These decisions will be the answer within the day of judgment that describes who You're meant to be. That's what a test is. And free will.
Why dont we see Free will standing in the middle of right and wrong Choices ... Humans clearly practice free will . Qadar is often taken our opponent but in reality it is Qadar which helps us throughout our difficult CHOICES ... The hard choices are made easy by Qadar ONLY WHEN OUR intentions ARE approved by The LORD.
Why does God let bad things happen . ez question. To see how you handle it and to condem those that failed on judgment day .the blood of innocents will stand witness against their murders and abusers .
Evil has no external existence, but it has a reality. It is similar to light, which exists externally, and darkness, which is simply the lack or absence of light. Evil is non-existence and cannot be created; its existence is relational, not objectively real. The Quran affirms this by asserting that everything that Allah creates is khayr. This shows that all that is created is good, and evil is non-being.
brother Shadee mentioned Gaza finally . Ask him if Gaza was to purify us , when are we Done with our Purification ?? !! How much time we need to get purified Enough to ACT PURIFIED ?? PURIFICATION FOR WHAT ?? IF WE ARE NOT CAPABLE OF STOPPING ISRAEL OR ANY OTHER OPPRESSOR , WE ARE NOT PURIFIED!!!
My naive thoughts as a human say, watching a movie that only contains happiness or sadness throughout would surely be boring. Likewise, the journey of human life on the stage of this world needs to have its story varied to avoid monotony. After all, don’t humans also dislike flat and unvaried narratives?
@AsifKhan-hf9zy Although it may seem grim in our eyes, Allah, the Divine Director, has a script unknown to us. Our brothers and sisters in Palestine understand this well, which is why, despite the excruciating suffering they endure, they remain steadfast and never curse Allah. Instead, their lips are constantly adorned with the words Alhamdulillah. They know that a final reckoning awaits on the Day of Judgment, and on that day, they will be the ones who smile, having successfully fulfilled the roles written by the Divine Director.
wouldn’t evil be simply willful disobedience to God. Like the theme of the Quran for the mujrrmuns evil deeds made fair seeming to them, they willfully disobey Allah(SWT) and they see no issue with it. not sin necessarily because we have been told that we will sin because we’re not perfect but the command of God for us in this situation is repentance so now we’re submitting our will again. If God sent us commands through revelation via prophets and the commands are for our own individual and societal benefit in this life and the next then evil would be willfully disobeying those commands to your own detriment by making the punishment justified against you. Allahu ‘Alim
As salam alaikum. Interesting topic but crippled, in my view, by a confusing definition of evil: evil is not natural physical pain, nor hardship, nor general suffering that are all part of the tests of life and easily understandable by most Muslims based on their experience. Evil is the deliberate act of doing wrong unto others, oppressing in any form, abusing one's power by inflicting unnecessary suffering on others. And the discussion do not really answer why Allah allows some people to do such things at the expense of others that are innocent and powerless, giving those evil doers much rope, while in the scriptures much lesser evil was punished right away. I have my understanding of this, but i would have loved this crucial point to be addressed in the discussion more in depth and not just with a very unsatisfactory similitude with earthly courts and tribunals.
@Drigger95 yes i was listening, and not the questions asked, nor the answer given, were satisfactory to me. Glad i made you laugh though, and gave you the chance to display your great manners. Ma salam.
Quran says “Indeed, successful is the one made it (ie his soul) pure. And unsuccessful is the one who covered it in sins God created evil and it does exist but at the same he educates us to make a right choice between the two Majority of the problems that world faces today are purely due to human errors and misjudgment of things
God does not 'create' evil. Evil is a lack, a non-existence, of a perfection. It has an external reality but no external existence. It is similar to light, which is created, and darkness, which is simply the lack of light. Light is created; darkness is the absence of that creation. Evil is similar to darkness: it has a reality, but no external existence.
If one thing becomes absent, the other becomes present. How can a thing become present without existence. It has to be created and be there Just like you have two sides of scale, both are existing when one goes down the other takes over Strengthening the force of good keeps the existent force of evil under control
@@mts95714 No-one is saying that evil doesn't have a reality. But it doesn't have an external existence. Everything we see in the created realm is pure khayr, for it is a reflection of the Divine names, in various permutations and to various degrees. That which is created is khayr; the Quran affirms this quite clearly. Evil, like darkness, is an absence and has no source. There is no Divine name that connotes 'evil'. However, God creates the repercussions of the evil intentions of human beings. But evil itself has no instantiation in creation: it is a lack, an absence, a privation. That doesn't make it any less real, however.
When "evil" is discussed when it relates to God and why God is being "put to question" for the existence of evil, humans do not have the right to rephrase the question over and over to make it look like evil pertains to them and what they think "evil" is. If evil is put to question, then it should go along the lines of "what does God define evil as" rather than " what do humans define it as". Humans are subjective, every concept and every definition works individually to each one of them. To God, however, every concept is generic and applies to everything - we are all creatures of Him, nothing is exclusive. Evil is not what you define it as, it is what God defines it as. Otherwise, your whole discussion makes no difference, you're just listing new understandings of evil and how it is contemporarily - it is not the absolute truth.
thats my thinking too... although id correct you by saying that its not these gentlemen questioning God its the non believers... when you make dawah to such people, questions like these can genuinely come up and you need to be able to answer them. The whole premise of "the problem of evil" is wrong... its a problem for us sure but its not a problem that negates God's existence... its simply a tool with which non believers and believers are seperated... free will gives us the choice between good and evil...those that choose good when through trials and tribulations win and vice versa... its simple and elegant... but of course in practice its extremely difficult... hence the people that win(monineen) have such high ranks
Even though there's truth to what you just said, you seem to be implying something else in your Weltanchauung while trying to write a coherent comment. Yes, humans are fallible, therefore we can come to subjective realisations about anything including what consists of "evil" but again, that's coming from our cognitive error [Ibliss]. We do have an innate moral compass to judge things, and we can choose to deviate from that innate disposition as a criterion and revert back to it if we want. Deep down, no evil person denies the nature of their actions even if they proclaim [by their tongue] that their actions are justified to instill fear in the hearts of people around them.
So in conclusion: 1) Yes, there's an objective criterion to define evil unless you are a ⁿⁱʰⁱˡⁱˢᵗ (even most Atheists don't come to the realisation that their worldview ultimately leads to ⁿⁱʰⁱˡⁱˢᵐ). 2) Humans aren't subjective, we have an objective Moral compass enjoined upon every Bashar to judge things, but subjective realisations can happen due to humans having a tendency to fall into Cognitive errors/Ibliss. 3) GOD doesn't approve of evil, it pretty much comes from our own fallibility, GOD is the revealer of true knowledge and understanding.
great discussion as always... though i do not agree with everything exactly as discussed... like us creating evil with our intention and not Allah is simply taking away from His Almight's power...not only by transitive property did Allah create it ... evil simply has a purpose in the big picture...it is a test for mankind (granted a very severe one at that but a test all the same) ...the whole premise of "the problem of evil" is wrong... there is no problem of evil in that it negates Gods existence... its simply a product of free will... choose to do good with it if you must...but of course evil will still exist because we arent in Paradise ...This life is supposed to have both as a test... You see evil you crush it with force or at least find it bad in your heart which is the lowest form of "emaan"... evil is a tool and a product of free will just like good is... and evil has a purpose just like good does... the purpose of freewill is simple... differentiation between believers and non believers... simple and elegant really...harsh in reality but still a pretty simple explanation for the existence of evil ...trials tribulations that we call evil are simply as sieve through which Momineen are sift and seperated from the weak of faith... evil is fought either with sword or with tawakkul(unwavering reliance in God) of course evil can dress up as money wealth and power and also as poverty pestilence and war... both ends of the spectrum can be equally devastating and efficient in sifting the real believers from the weak or non believers... May Allah guide us all Keep up the good work Mr. Williams. Love the discussions you have on here.❤💫
"you and all of your descendents shall die: some later and some during their infancy years, mostly in horrific ways, because you have eaten the fruit that I specifically told you not to eat when you have no understanding of anything" ahh vibes
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The word Meezan - balance comes in repeatedly in the Quran. It’s a statement that there’s balance in the existence of everything opposing each other , created by Allah swt. The world cannot exist in a one sided state of total bliss. You wouldn’t know what joy is without experiencing sorrow, similarly peace without experiencing war, happiness without suffering and good without bad. Happiness can never be defined without the word suffering. If there was no balancing opposing orbital force centripetal against centrifugal the universe would destroy itself. Nothing good happens without the bad next to it. Thats how. Allah created the bad to test the good
this sounds like music to all the brutal dictators of the world. now they can say, look its not us, its Allah, he is making all this evil........ to "balance the universe" as our great philosopher online is telling us all................. we are just doing Allah's bidding by being horrible evil people............ so thay YOU can be equally good people? see? don't blame us for what we are doing. we are just balancing the universe.
I don't know but this question sounds so naive to me. We were not born into paradise. This world is a test. If everything was bread and butter, how could this world be a test?
what is interesting (to me) about nature is how predators always eat the young and the defensless. they rarely eat the strong, old animals, 95% of animal eating animals eat young animals.......... since allah programmed to be this way, it shows how cruel allah is........ he could ve programmed animals to eat old animals only and leave the young to live and grow up and enjoy life for a bit before becoming food............ but alas, its the opposite, they are cute little babies and most of them end up being eaten as food by a predator...........
The eternal question! In the Quran sure 2 the angels asked Allah that very question directly point blank : Why do you create this human thing who will do such evil thing when we are so good and devoted to you, and god answered them point blank , I know what you don’t know !! The arrogance of creation thinking the have reason it all and though they have been taught a lot , the creator and great designer of it all knows it all .
so what that means, Allah wanted to see evil spread in the world. before the evil, there was only good in the world. and it did nt satisy Allah............ which is why evil people can say, we are just doing Allah's bidding, dont blame us for all the evil in the world, dont look at us as bad, we are Allah's agents.............. doing His bidding
@ That is what it means to you given your obvious reasoning limitations not what it means . What it all means god only knows. As an article of faith we surrender our will and limitations to a greater omnipotent power . There cannot be good without evil to define it . Day and night , light and dark, pain and joy , etc all sorts of opposites exist side by side and define each other . As for you quoting evil doers as having truth and reason on their side it is foolish of you to even consider their reason as evidence of truth . There are no answer s to many questions nor are we entitled to know it all .
@ Ah so you are one of those novice deep thinkers who have found the truth by casting doubt !! 😂😂 You don’t have to believe anything , to you your way and to us our way .
let's see if this meets Occam's razor: God created a world with physical laws and put man (and jinn, previously) in it for test of who lives a moral life. Sometimes God will put us to test and sometimes the actions of others will test us. It is all about test. And no injustice will be allowed to persist on the judgement day.
There will be children that dies before the age of maturity and then gets tested in the afterlife. So there are unnecessary suffering for those that do not get tested in this life meaning evil is not justified by this life being a test.
@bamboo1763 who told you that,if you don't follow the faith whether you suffer or not its your problem,but if you do the creator tests you to see if you are loyal the your creator and prove you are a worthy recipient for paradise.
@JunaidAsmal The problem is there are children that suffer and then die before the age of maturity and then don't have their suffering counts as evidence for their loyalty to Allah. Furthermore, what's the point of causing a infant who can't even comprehend that there exists a world outside their sight to suffer and have no idea of god and loyalty? Lastly, which righteous entity will torture children to see their loyalty to him and then send them to hell for more if he thinks they are not loyal to him?
@JunaidAsmal From what is taught in islam, I highly doubt it the entity behind islam is who it claims to be. The way I see it theres more likely that it's not from god then it is.
All Action has a REACTION You REAP WHAT YOU SOW. It’s the Universal Law. If you hate Others, Others will hate you, If you will Kill others Others will kill you. IF you Commit Atrocities to others OTHERS will do the Same . If You care for Others Others will care directly or Indirectly for you and your family. If you Treat Others Kindly OTHERS will Treat you and your family kindly wherever they may be living. If You Help others Others will help you and your Family. And if You are Celebrating their Misery then EVERY ACTION has a REACTION.
Isn't coming into existence once the greatest crime? Even if you are a very good Muslim you cannot escape death, the apocalypse, and the troubles of the day of judgement. All good things are temporary, at the end great absence and death will catch everything. How a human can be happy knowing that? I am looking at the sky, trees and only seeing death. Because existence of them is only for a little moment, like us.
@@SeFa590 If you don't care to search for an answer, why are you commenting in the first place? Also, buy the book if you actually care for an answer. I read it. It's in the last chapter author discusses it. If you're not serious about learning, then go elsewhere to troll.
@@SeFa590 "The Words" - by Said Nursi. He discusses all of the branches of Iman. Or, you can read the book this episode is about, Pearls In the Deep. He discusses your question specifically in the last chapter.
Somebody explain to me why innocent children in Gaza are dying under the rubble of their bombed out houses? What is the divine purpose of their suffering? It can't be because God is testing their faith. They are too young to even know what it means to have faith. So how does Naz Hassan explain the divine purpose of their suffering?
they know...as harsh as the realities of war are we dont let it waver our faith...my kin suffers from similar tribulations in Kashmir... we dont let it waver our faith... screaming at God does nothing but make you the loser...those children will get high ranks in afterlife and those inflicting such horrific crimes on them will receive divine retribution... children dying in warzones in a test of faith on everybody else if not on them(if they are too young) ... does it give us enough of a push to step into the warzone to help them? does it give us enough guts to send our sons to their aid? as harsh as it is..this is how freewill works...monsters use it for evil and even little kids in Gaza or Kashmir suffering thrrough war know they will be granted their share in good in the eternal afterlife and have their retribution
@@LastBrainCell01 It's not as if all the children who died before they reach the age of maturity will immediately go to heaven: no they will be tested and a significant portion of them will go to hell.
@@LastBrainCell01 Are you telling me as far as the children are concerned, their suffering is for the purpose of getting "high ranks in afterlife"? So you're suggesting their suffering is actually a blessing. We all should be grateful to God for their suffering because they will get "high ranks in afterlife". Is that it? Did I understand you correctly?
God did not tell Abraham to sacrifice his son, God showed him a dream in which he was sacrificing his son. Abraham took that as a command to sacrifice him, but God did not command him to do it. Dreams have interpretations.
@@Drigger95 Well, God says to Abraham "you believed the dream?" in the Quran. So, maybe he did misinterpret the dream and thought that it was a command from God. Why is that funny? I don't understand.
All the miracles that happened during the bible/quran fairy story but suddenly when cameras and video recorders are around those miracles dried up. It is as though people were making up stories. Strange that. How mohammad would invent laws in revelations as they became convenient. If he needed something, have a revelation and now he could do it.
nothing happens without the will of Allah. if Allah wanted muslims to discover the Americas back in the 1500s, such that today there would be 800 million muslims in the Americas, he could have willed it. but instead He chose christians instead to discover the Americas and today as a result we have 800 million christians in the Americas. its the will of Allah.
@@oblongmoron-cj2ue wow. there were zero moslems and zero christians in the Americas back in the 1500s and today [500 years later] there are 800 million christians and 20 million moslems allah is indeed the best planner.
I have big spiritual dilemma brother Paul. I fail to see any logic in the pain and misery that a small child goes through in terms of physical and sexual abuse and then being trafficked and murdered. what horrors the parents go through or sensitive people like me. Women treated horribly during wars . isnt that evil that these children did not earn. we as muslims always tell our children that Allah protects children and then this happens. Please anyone show me the light through this.
What I have perceived from Quran and LIFE ,the great Educationist , is that we've got it all Wrong about the EVIL being the necessary part of Human trial .... oh No ! I believe We the Humans were created to UNDERSTAND the powers and beauty of Our Creator by going through LIFE in this World where we practice our Powers ... we get tired ..we realise ALLAH is the actual unimaginably powerful and genius Being ! the EVIL was not given importance for our trial on Earth .. the Iblees LOST the game up there .. shetaan literally means "placed very far away" its just that iblees challenged our creation .. ALLAH Subhan didn't want to see him ever again ... not even as an instrument for human trial ... Iblees was Useless and it only takes away with it the useless creations with him to a Far far place ...
depends. if he exits thru a proper exit with a city inspected and certified exit sign atop. or if he exits through a window or an air duct for instance.
Mashaallah, Dr Shadee what a great surprise. These kind of conversations always humbles me. Subhanallah,,how majestic it is our Creator.
Salaams, brother Paul, and thank you. This was an excellent listen. Growing up in Dublin in a very roman Catholic family and at school, which was run by the church, we were taught to fear god and given no explanations. I was terrified of the imagery in our local church, which was massive, like a cathedral. I would have nightmares as a child about those idols. I was more scared of god than the devil !
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1:05:20 I am surprised of the word choice in the subtitle " How The Quran TRANSFORMs The Problem Of Evil." I would have chosen "Answer" or "Explain" the problem of Evil. Am I missing a naunce? Jazak Allah Kheir for this geat discussion. Amin
Bernadettetormey, I would think that the best is teaching children first God's loving (one of his name is al wadud) teaching them to ask God when you need something etc.. God respond, God is merciful and forgive.. later when they become 10 or 12 more about Justice of God etc.. and then later punishment etc... as for Idols I agree, though born muslim first time I visited a church happen to be Catholic I was shocked, my general impression was the place is dark (physically) but the idols gave it even more scary..an air of glo ominess and shad owy feeling, and once I was invited for a wedding when i heard word like "God blo..." and God flesh and the " bread" they ate and the symbolize I was very very surprised and really was taken aback from these expressions about Almighty and drinking his .. or eating his... it caused big impression on me and thought 'NO way that this is part of God's path" I say that with all respect though... I could write pages on detailed feeling in my tour.. if I could summarize the place it was "as if it were museum for the dead" an introduction toward hell I swear with statues with pain and tears and ...... I was not looking to validate my Islamic faith (I was weak at that time not practicing though had strong faith in Allah and that Islam is true) I was not even comparing back then, I visited many churches later.. I was saying my impression now (when I look back and try to express my initial impression) , I sometimes explain more and even my christian friends would say "we enjoy it you should write a book etc"
ma sha allah... we all know about shaikh shadee but brother naz hassan was also very profound and insightful... looking forward to reading his book.
Djazakallahum khayran! A very inspiring subject, really touched my heart in a way it was needed!
Asalamalaikum 🇺🇸 Dr. Elmasry is the shaikh at my local masjid right here in NJ. So cool to see this 👍 Both guests were insightful, mash'Allah.
Very interesting conversation brother Paul, I remember listening to this interview the first time as I was driving through Oklahoma City on my way towards New Mexico. I'm listening to it again in order to grasp the message better. Jazak Allahu Khayran.
Bediüzzaman said nursi is a great scholar ın Türkiye. Many young turks came back to İslâm with the books of hım, Risale-i Nur.
Great books
Thank you brother Paul for bringing this subject to our attention. Also I love books 🤣.
On a related note to the discussion, the reason for our existence is tied in to it to some extent. It would be very hard to understand the intention or purpose of our existence if you don’t accept the Islamic frame of mind of life after death.
Once you’ve understood it, it’s very liberating and every suffering is a blessing. I can write extensively of how everything is interconnected and how even hatred is a pointless emotion that you should do away with since it only stains your soul.
We can all benefit from having a stroll and contemplate about this matter especially the feelings of gratitude and how every evil may assist you in having a greater clarity of what is good. 🤣
interesting read, thank you Edward, also people think test and trial are in hardship, but they are in blessings too : not only wealth, and health, beauty , if a person is very attractive and or charismatic he/she receive many signs and indication or invitation and temptation.. etc etc.. Same with intelligence, some may use it to manipulate or mislead others, same with education etc.. I see what you mean about interconnection , 100% agree it is fascinating subject.. it even increase depth in our understanding. Also wealth can be given "in advance" for good deed from non muslims for their contribution like in medicine, transportation making life comfortable .. Some of these deeds were done for goodness some for money but produced great ease for many, so when will God give them such reward!
In this life, hence you see certain people /regions are doing well because they did their homework and some good deeds so God give them the full reward in this life but no share in the next because Faith is essential..
Yo, Naz is a presenter now. What a glow up.
Mashallah, Naz!
Absolutely Fascinating! I'm glad I came across it
Alhamdulillah
That’s a valid question if you asked it in our permanent abode in Paradise…but in our temporary life of trials and tests, it should be expected
Beautiful distinction between will and power to exercise will. This guy is smart
I am so happy I’ve found this channel. So many amazing thoughts here, thank you
My life verse is Philippians 4:6-7 which says,
“Do not be anxious about anything, but in everything by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving, let your requests be made known to God. And the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus.”
It's not about dwelling on why bad things happen to good people, it's about what you will do about all that comes at you.
Turning it all over to God is the best thing you can do for yourself; let God be God in your life!
Amen and Alleluia !
Good topic, and should be directed to those in doubts whether Allah exists. They see good and bad things happening especially sickness and death, over which they have no control. Yet they refused to submit to the Person Who has control.
And who's that person?
My fav ppl May Allah bless u all
Very well discussion, indeed. Allah SWT is Invisible, but Real, in times of things happening beyond our control and capability to do so. Yet, to Allah SWT we always seek and request for helps, and that, certainly under His consent, whether He will help or change it into something else, which is way better than we never thought before... Wallahu'alam bi Shawab.
اللهم صل على محمد و على ال محمد كما صليت على ابراهيم و على ال ابراهيم و بارك على محمد و على ال محمد كما باركت على ابراهيم و على ال ابراهيم في العالمين انك حميد مجيد
very purposeful discussion ..mashaAllah !
USEFULNESS IS THAT ....THE WORLD SHOULD MAKE USE OF THIS AWAKENING.
Incredible session with these three brothers.
Since humans have free will it is their mischievous behavior that leads to the bad things .......there is good,bad,punishment, reward and free will...it is not a loose party here....
The fact that someone would ask this question is because their fitrah naturally and automatically believes not only in the existence of God but also attributes Goodness to Him as opposed to evil. Even though He, in His infinite wisdom created evil as a means of test for humanity in this worldly realm.
Great discussion. Thanks Paul.
Allah has given us the ability to do good or evil, it’s up to us to choose which route we take hence he created haven & hell.
which is why he does nothing while the victims of our evil suffer unbelievable pain in this life...........
"hey, i have you the ability, you are responsible, i ain t fixing your evil"........
"let them die of torture and famine, not my problem" ........
I don't think that the Qur'an is to be interpreted with the abrogation method as some people imply. One verse doesn't and cannot abrogate the other, instead one verse explains and helps to connect the dots in the Qur'an. If one verse contradicts the other it doesn't mean that it is to be abrogated, rather there's an error in your methodology that makes you think that it contradicts the other verses, but it doesn't. For example, GOD in the Qur'an says that: 1) GOD doesn't wrong any soul at all [4:40]
2) GOD doesn't approve of disbelief for his servants [39:7] 3) Whoever wants to believe, let him believe [18:29]. But in numerous other verses, GOD says that he has power over all things: [2:284] [3:26] [9:39] [67:1]. Does that mean GOD approves of evil and it abrogates the other verses? No. The phrase "GOD has power over all things" simply means that there's no realm where you may desire and pursue corruption and you will not be recompensed for what your hands have set forth. GOD clearly doesn't approve of immorality: [7:28] [17:32]. And GOD knows best.
If you still interpret the Qur'an with that scholarly approved abrogation method (approved by certain factions of scholars), then you have to accept that the GOD of the Vedas is the one true GOD and the only one worthy of worship. Because he says in [RIG VEDA, 10:48, 5] that he is the revealer of true knowledge that is eternal and therefore cannot be abrogated. If you think that the GOD of the Qur'an revealed knowledge that can be abrogated by another flow of true knowledge, then you are basically implying that the GOD of the Qur'an is a Demiurge God and not one true GOD who can only reveal true and eternal knowledge (astagfirullah). It's the question of truth and falsehood, so you cannot be in ᵈᵉⁿⁱᵃˡ at this point. May GOD guide us to the true understanding of the Qur'an free from others' forcefully imposed interpretation.
Hi ggl
"GOD doesn't approve of disbelief for his servants [39:7]"
His servants believe, that's why they are His servants. A disbelieving servant is an oxymoron. Allah being silly here.
@@erique-eljoven being a servant of GOD is a state of being, so if you move away from that state, you are no longer in that state of being. GOD doesn't approve of disbelief for his servants because then, all of your toiling on the scripture will not produce any fruits and will go in vain. Just like the Torah tells us that if you turn away it's gonna stop raining, which can be interpreted both literally in historical contexts and metaphorically to mean that the clouds of insightful knowledge will stop raining and providing GODly insights into your mind. And GOD knows best.
@@erique-eljoven you filled with filthy. Not a follower of Jesus.DrBart Earman Cote christian religion is not teaching of Jesus rather teaching by others about Jesus. Clean yr brain like white sheet& study about GOD taeching through Jesus
Because Man exists...free will !
17:35 "To test which of you will be the best in deeds"
Allah wants to find out, hence the test. He doesn't know, He's not all-knowing, He doesn't exist.
Salaam! 36:36 everything created in pairs. The law of opposites, ying and yang, etc. In regards to qadar, there is a tradition that goes, " a person asked Ali (R.A.) explain our relationship to qadar! Ali( R.A.) said, lift your right leg and hold that position, now raise your left leg, our free will is in between that"! So humans have free will within boundaries of Allah's creational process! Quran states whatever good happens to you is from Allah, whatever evil happens to you is because of what your own hands have brought upon yourself! We have Dunya and Akhirah, and the Believers are taught to use the Dunya to aquire success in the Akhirah. Success and failure are what Allah has established! Allah knows best!
it is less about opposites and more about complementary.
@AbidNasim However you want to categorize it, the bottom line is that it comes as a package ( so to speak) one is relative to the other !
@@redbeardandfriends The true dichotomy lies in the test: some are tested through perseverance, enduring trials and hardships, while others are tested through gratitude, navigating abundance and blessings
@@redbeardandfriends agreed partly... it does come as a package deal in free will but one is not relative to the other... evil can be relative to other evil but not to good... thats why we have objective good and bad...
gradadation within one side being relative is understandable like unaliving someone vs cutting in a queue.. both bad but one is worse...
on the other hand saving someone from drowning vs giving good advise...both good but one is far better...
but if you compare giving good advise to cutting in line...theres no relativism ...one is clearly objectively good and the other is not
As salmi ‘Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa barakatu I think a better term for what you’re looking for is actually in the Qur’an found in Surah Rahman and the concept is of course found all throughout Islam called Mizan(balance)
I finally finished this well thought out and discussed (and I'm assuming written) discussion on the problem of evil. One question - did the speaker dispense with, include, or modify deprivation (evil being the absence of good)?
I am from Kashmir(India).Need prays...
Kashmir bny ga Pakistan ❤
Indian occupied*
May Allah bring ease in your life
may Allah grant you light in all that you do, in your words, face, actions and intention. Light is the best barakah you can have, the rest is temporary time here not even a minute compared to t he eternity that await us.. (not 100 billion years) more than that.. when we really really reflect on that, we become more consoled by Allah.
Thank you for this stimulating discussion. I think a common definition of evil is what intentionally causes suffering. Surely there are instances of imposing suffering in causes seen as righteous, such as in war. But it is still evil.
Masha Allah Dr Naz
21:53 to 28:30 interesting topic on ur will and god will and also topics on if god created everything.
Brother Paul, can you put all your videos into a Playlist? I play your videos on TV while working. it's kinda a hassle to search each and everytime for your videos.
If it's on a playlist. at least I can let it be and play all your videos automatically. I can watch each videos of yours 6 times no problem. just put it all into one playlist.
Many of the videos are on playlists. See here: www.youtube.com/@BloggingTheology/podcasts
Great topic. Desperate to buy the book.
Me too… it looks like it’s sold out at Mecca books..??..
@@mgulistan2052 bro, the link is right in the derscription. What do you mean sold out?
The link at Mecca books said it’s sold out
Sorry about that- when I went back to the site it no longer said sold out … BISMILLAH ☮️
@@mgulistan2052 oh wow, that's weird
Masha Allah!
Shaheed Ayatullah Morteza Mutahairi in his famous book " Adel Elahi ( Divine Justice) addressed this topic of Evil. I think he took the position Evil did not exist it was absence of good. I need to recheck
God created the potential of intention in us
For atheists
They used to ask such question
قُل لِّلَّذِينَ آمَنُوا يَغْفِرُوا لِلَّذِينَ لَا يَرْجُونَ أَيَّامَ اللَّهِ لِيَجْزِيَ قَوْمًا بِمَا كَانُوا يَكْسِبُونَ ﴿١٤﴾. Tell all who have attained to faith that they should forgive those who do not believe in the coming of the Days of God, [since it is] for Him [alone] to requite people for whatever they may have earned. (14
“Disobedience without Tawba” starts of with Shaytan when he disobeyed God and never repented which ultimately lead him to become an evil force
“Evil is absence of Good” story of Habil and Qabil, when Qabil neglected the right path and went for an evil choice
Jazakallah khayr for this talk. Brother Paul, in addition to this book, what other "problem of evil" books would you recommend?
Assalamo alaikom brothers, About Gaza the perspective of Gaza lessons for all the world but especially Muslims,is 2 major lessons, one is the true free Muslim who can free himself from fear,bad feelings,materialism…all evil , he won’t have problem to be ready to die if it was ment to happen,because the Gaza people are the most free people on the earth right now. They believe in god destiny the bad and the good of it. The second lesson is that this modern western civilization is only taking us as humans to inhuman state where the powerful sets up the rules and can decide to eliminate other people that don’t agree with,don’t believe the same beliefs ,don’t look like him,or are in his way to make more money and power. But thank Allah this is changing in the west ,slowly but surely,alhamdolillah!
Quran Chapter 4, Verse 78:
"When something good befalls them, they say, “This is from Allah,” but when something evil befalls them, they say, “This is from you.” Say, ˹O Prophet,˺ “Both have been destined by Allah.” So what is the matter with these people? They can hardly comprehend anything!"
Dr Mustafa Khattab
Haven't listened yet but can't wait. Did Allah testing us come up? Always love that one.
big Sins are True Trials of All present at that moment of history .
لا إله إلا الله
lä iläha illä Llah
The answer is clear in Quran.
This life is a test, and you as the one taking the test, must answer all sorts of question and pass all sorts of challenges.
Whether it's easy, or difficult. The test i.e the challenge must be passed.
These stuff? Are the difficult questions.
I understand what you are getting at, but the problem of evil is a lot more nuanced and complicated than what you are making it out to be.
Consider a tsunami that wipes out a city. Who is that a test for? People are swiftly killed and taken away in an instant. How could this be a just test?
We can also consider a situation aside from human suffering. What about animals? Lets say an animal in the woods gets a sick or hurt and undergoes immense pain for the rest of its life. Unlike a human, the animal isn't even able to understand why it's hurt. It has to just endure the suffering with no clue as to why. So I ask you, who is this a test for?
yep ...never understood why people complicate something so simple... esp when theres a very celar answer in Quran...
@@Iraniansunnimuslim Exactly but people like to overcomplicate things and some people outright deny that life is a test by denying free will, for example: Atheists, Calvinists (Those who follow John Calvin's faction of Christianity), and certain people among the Atharis etc. Even though the answers are clear in the Qur'an, Torah [rather what we have of the Torah], and other such scriptures (only if you interpret them methodologically). And even if they disbelieve in GOD's books, the answers are clear by Fitrah [innate disposition] and by observing things around us. As the Qur'an says, "Humanity is in dispute about most things" may GOD guide us.
@@jostnamane3951 Ameen ya rab al-alamin
Allah is testing us to find something out about us that He doesn't know yet. That's why you put someone to the test. He's not all-knowing so He does not exist.
why we need to rationalized everything including the "God create intention or not"? Since rational itself prescribed by our capacity to imagine, patternalized, that will always associate with our assumption about a things. That's prove our limits. If we need to rationalized intention, then we need to understand what intention itself presicely as the concept, first. Second, we need to know what this concept related to our question (in this case did God Create Intention). But since Intention itself was built-in, then we cannot make sure what the intention really is, how it works, how it related to other things, because so much chance that could be bias. That's the 1 problem that could identified yet. I'll make it easy: Intention that we know could be incomprehesif (that might be false also). So, when we trying to run the logic in some condtion (in this length-> 27:30 - 27:37 ) we could fall to semantic problem.
It's thesame to ask
If God dint exist why are good things happening
Good and bad things can happen if a all powerful and all loving god doesn't exist, but evil cannot exist if there exists a god that is all powerful and all loving
@@bamboo1763 worst argument ever. it really tells you a lot about the average IQ of an atheist person when you see comments like this all over the internet, so keep em coming.
It's like asking why a father that loves his child more than anything but sees him eating nothing but candy and spending time playing video games all day would try to limit the amount of candy he eats and time he spends playing. in the child's eyes at that time, his father is evil and doesn't want him to have fun but obviously the father knows better and knows where that will lead and is doing it for the long term benefit of his child.
@Myssiah
Yes because inflicting a child with terminal illness and killing him before he reaches adulthood is going to benefit him in the long term.
There are things that are objectively evil; they do not benefit the victim in any way. There is no excuse for the existence of the existence of evil except that god is either not all powerful or he is not all loving or he doesn't exist.
@@bamboo1763 God is not a man
He doesn't exist in our dimension. He doesn't feel what will feel u are saying this because u take God as a man he doesn't have human feelings.
Take example as will a GTA developer feel sad when mpc get shot. Or Do tree feel sad when a human being died.
So if child get sick and died at infant. He will be in paradise InshaAllah.
The purpose of this world is to gain after life.
@@bamboo1763 That's because of your narrow minded view and stubbornness to accept that there is more than this earthly life. that's your fault, no one else's. for people that accept there is an eternal afterlife, suffering for a few years with terminal illness and getting higher rewards in Jannah or dying before reaching adulthood and getting a shortcut to Jannah without needing to face this life's trials and tribulations can be seen as a much better alternative. we as Muslims are completely at peace with that knowing these things. that's why you see people in Gaza with happy smiles even when everything around them is destroyed and they feel no safety because they know that fact to be true and that this temporary life is just the first step to something much greater.
Also, your second phrase is meaningless, and I am saying this from personal experience. it only applies to an atheist living in a nihilistic reality. I too was once living such life and it's only through trauma that I was able to get back to God and understand things much better and see all the signs. and if it wasn't for that, I would've committed suicide and in fact atheists have the highest suicide rates for that very reason.
Also, living through these difficult times allows you to appreciate the perfect life waiting for you in the afterlife much more. Much like how a person that works out and eats healthy would feel a lot more satisfaction and happiness than someone that just cheats and takes steroids without putting in the effort.
With out bad times bad things they are will be no test simple answer if you want paradise gets ready for the test almighty Lord will be testing us many ways sometimes hunger sometimes with illness sometimes with wars sometimes many others hardship in this world it's already mentioned in his guide book holy Qur'an and to the hadith of the last prophet Muhammad (pbuh)may almighty Lord guide us and give us understanding of the truth Ameen🙏
>>> if you want paradise gets ready for the test almighty Lord
Short answer..
If God exist, why do bad things happen?
It happens because growth occurs.
And growth lead to different decision making.
These decisions will be the answer within the day of judgment that describes who You're meant to be.
That's what a test is. And free will.
سبحان الله
It’s not complicated . Evil arises from the misuse of human freedom.
When God Said this world is a test and there will be evil tempting them testing them in this world, then of course there will be evil in this world.
The abrahamic answer to this question is the book of Job. But this does not explain the inherent suffering in nature apart from humans.
Authu billahi, "what took them so long?" 57:23 They needed an excuse, and it was provided.
There is a really obvious answer to this question which, by the way, is also committing the "begging the question" fallacy.
Why dont we see Free will standing in the middle of right and wrong Choices ... Humans clearly practice free will . Qadar is often taken our opponent but in reality it is Qadar which helps us throughout our difficult CHOICES ...
The hard choices are made easy by Qadar ONLY WHEN OUR intentions ARE approved by The LORD.
33:59 I think Mr naz will change his words about adolf in the coming days 🙂↕️
We ask you, dear professor, to receive a famous scholar who works on the statistics of the Holy Quran.
Because humans exist
Its the same as asking why are there good christians jews buddhis hindus aborignees and why good things happen to these people?
Why does God let bad things happen . ez question. To see how you handle it and to condem those that failed on judgment day .the blood of innocents will stand witness against their murders and abusers .
Evil has no external existence, but it has a reality. It is similar to light, which exists externally, and darkness, which is simply the lack or absence of light. Evil is non-existence and cannot be created; its existence is relational, not objectively real. The Quran affirms this by asserting that everything that Allah creates is khayr. This shows that all that is created is good, and evil is non-being.
brother Shadee mentioned Gaza finally .
Ask him if Gaza was to purify us , when are we Done with our Purification ?? !!
How much time we need to get purified Enough to ACT PURIFIED ??
PURIFICATION FOR WHAT ??
IF WE ARE NOT CAPABLE OF STOPPING ISRAEL OR ANY OTHER OPPRESSOR ,
WE ARE NOT PURIFIED!!!
My naive thoughts as a human say, watching a movie that only contains happiness or sadness throughout would surely be boring. Likewise, the journey of human life on the stage of this world needs to have its story varied to avoid monotony. After all, don’t humans also dislike flat and unvaried narratives?
it sounds great in theory, but in reality, for example, the people of gaza are not having a good time...........
@AsifKhan-hf9zy Although it may seem grim in our eyes, Allah, the Divine Director, has a script unknown to us. Our brothers and sisters in Palestine understand this well, which is why, despite the excruciating suffering they endure, they remain steadfast and never curse Allah. Instead, their lips are constantly adorned with the words Alhamdulillah. They know that a final reckoning awaits on the Day of Judgment, and on that day, they will be the ones who smile, having successfully fulfilled the roles written by the Divine Director.
wouldn’t evil be simply willful disobedience to God. Like the theme of the Quran for the mujrrmuns evil deeds made fair seeming to them, they willfully disobey Allah(SWT) and they see no issue with it. not sin necessarily because we have been told that we will sin because we’re not perfect but the command of God for us in this situation is repentance so now we’re submitting our will again.
If God sent us commands through revelation via prophets and the commands are for our own individual and societal benefit in this life and the next then evil would be willfully disobeying those commands to your own detriment by making the punishment justified against you. Allahu ‘Alim
As salam alaikum. Interesting topic but crippled, in my view, by a confusing definition of evil: evil is not natural physical pain, nor hardship, nor general suffering that are all part of the tests of life and easily understandable by most Muslims based on their experience.
Evil is the deliberate act of doing wrong unto others, oppressing in any form, abusing one's power by inflicting unnecessary suffering on others.
And the discussion do not really answer why Allah allows some people to do such things at the expense of others that are innocent and powerless, giving those evil doers much rope, while in the scriptures much lesser evil was punished right away.
I have my understanding of this, but i would have loved this crucial point to be addressed in the discussion more in depth and not just with a very unsatisfactory similitude with earthly courts and tribunals.
@Drigger95 yes i was listening, and not the questions asked, nor the answer given, were satisfactory to me. Glad i made you laugh though, and gave you the chance to display your great manners. Ma salam.
Quran says “Indeed, successful is the one made it (ie his soul) pure. And unsuccessful is the one who covered it in sins
God created evil and it does exist but at the same he educates us to make a right choice between the two
Majority of the problems that world faces today are purely due to human errors and misjudgment of things
God does not 'create' evil. Evil is a lack, a non-existence, of a perfection. It has an external reality but no external existence. It is similar to light, which is created, and darkness, which is simply the lack of light. Light is created; darkness is the absence of that creation. Evil is similar to darkness: it has a reality, but no external existence.
If one thing becomes absent, the other becomes present. How can a thing become present without existence. It has to be created and be there
Just like you have two sides of scale, both are existing when one goes down the other takes over
Strengthening the force of good keeps the existent force of evil under control
@@mts95714 No-one is saying that evil doesn't have a reality. But it doesn't have an external existence. Everything we see in the created realm is pure khayr, for it is a reflection of the Divine names, in various permutations and to various degrees. That which is created is khayr; the Quran affirms this quite clearly. Evil, like darkness, is an absence and has no source. There is no Divine name that connotes 'evil'. However, God creates the repercussions of the evil intentions of human beings. But evil itself has no instantiation in creation: it is a lack, an absence, a privation. That doesn't make it any less real, however.
When "evil" is discussed when it relates to God and why God is being "put to question" for the existence of evil, humans do not have the right to rephrase the question over and over to make it look like evil pertains to them and what they think "evil" is.
If evil is put to question, then it should go along the lines of "what does God define evil as" rather than " what do humans define it as".
Humans are subjective, every concept and every definition works individually to each one of them.
To God, however, every concept is generic and applies to everything - we are all creatures of Him, nothing is exclusive.
Evil is not what you define it as, it is what God defines it as. Otherwise, your whole discussion makes no difference, you're just listing new understandings of evil and how it is contemporarily - it is not the absolute truth.
thats my thinking too... although id correct you by saying that its not these gentlemen questioning God its the non believers... when you make dawah to such people, questions like these can genuinely come up and you need to be able to answer them.
The whole premise of "the problem of evil" is wrong... its a problem for us sure but its not a problem that negates God's existence... its simply a tool with which non believers and believers are seperated... free will gives us the choice between good and evil...those that choose good when through trials and tribulations win and vice versa... its simple and elegant... but of course in practice its extremely difficult... hence the people that win(monineen) have such high ranks
In metaethics, it is called Devine Command Theory
Even though there's truth to what you just said, you seem to be implying something else in your Weltanchauung while trying to write a coherent comment. Yes, humans are fallible, therefore we can come to subjective realisations about anything including what consists of "evil" but again, that's coming from our cognitive error [Ibliss]. We do have an innate moral compass to judge things, and we can choose to deviate from that innate disposition as a criterion and revert back to it if we want. Deep down, no evil person denies the nature of their actions even if they proclaim [by their tongue] that their actions are justified to instill fear in the hearts of people around them.
So in conclusion: 1) Yes, there's an objective criterion to define evil unless you are a ⁿⁱʰⁱˡⁱˢᵗ (even most Atheists don't come to the realisation that their worldview ultimately leads to ⁿⁱʰⁱˡⁱˢᵐ). 2) Humans aren't subjective, we have an objective Moral compass enjoined upon every Bashar to judge things, but subjective realisations can happen due to humans having a tendency to fall into Cognitive errors/Ibliss. 3) GOD doesn't approve of evil, it pretty much comes from our own fallibility, GOD is the revealer of true knowledge and understanding.
great discussion as always... though i do not agree with everything exactly as discussed...
like us creating evil with our intention and not Allah is simply taking away from His Almight's power...not only by transitive property did Allah create it ... evil simply has a purpose in the big picture...it is a test for mankind (granted a very severe one at that but a test all the same) ...the whole premise of "the problem of evil" is wrong... there is no problem of evil in that it negates Gods existence... its simply a product of free will... choose to do good with it if you must...but of course evil will still exist because we arent in Paradise ...This life is supposed to have both as a test...
You see evil you crush it with force or at least find it bad in your heart which is the lowest form of "emaan"... evil is a tool and a product of free will just like good is... and evil has a purpose just like good does... the purpose of freewill is simple... differentiation between believers and non believers... simple and elegant really...harsh in reality but still a pretty simple explanation for the existence of evil
...trials tribulations that we call evil are simply as sieve through which Momineen are sift and seperated from the weak of faith... evil is fought either with sword or with tawakkul(unwavering reliance in God)
of course evil can dress up as money wealth and power and also as poverty pestilence and war... both ends of the spectrum can be equally devastating and efficient in sifting the real believers from the weak or non believers...
May Allah guide us all
Keep up the good work Mr. Williams. Love the discussions you have on here.❤💫
bad things come from disobeying God.man chose to go his own way, make a mess, and now ask this question.
"you and all of your descendents shall die: some later and some during their infancy years, mostly in horrific ways, because you have eaten the fruit that I specifically told you not to eat when you have no understanding of anything" ahh vibes
The word Meezan - balance comes in repeatedly in the Quran. It’s a statement that there’s balance in the existence of everything opposing each other , created by Allah swt. The world cannot exist in a one sided state of total bliss.
You wouldn’t know what joy is without experiencing sorrow, similarly peace without experiencing war, happiness without suffering and good without bad. Happiness can never be defined without the word suffering.
If there was no balancing opposing orbital force centripetal against centrifugal the universe would destroy itself. Nothing good happens without the bad next to it. Thats how. Allah created the bad to test the good
this sounds like music to all the brutal dictators of the world.
now they can say, look its not us, its Allah, he is making all this evil........ to "balance the universe" as our great philosopher online is telling us all................. we are just doing Allah's bidding by being horrible evil people............ so thay YOU can be equally good people? see? don't blame us for what we are doing. we are just balancing the universe.
I don't know but this question sounds so naive to me. We were not born into paradise. This world is a test. If everything was bread and butter, how could this world be a test?
What about the predator prey relationship in nature? Parasites hookworms tapeworms ticks fleas?
what is interesting (to me) about nature is how predators always eat the young and the defensless. they rarely eat the strong, old animals, 95% of animal eating animals eat young animals.......... since allah programmed to be this way, it shows how cruel allah is........ he could ve programmed animals to eat old animals only and leave the young to live and grow up and enjoy life for a bit before becoming food............ but alas, its the opposite, they are cute little babies and most of them end up being eaten as food by a predator...........
@AsifKhan-hf9zy indeed
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The eternal question! In the Quran sure 2 the angels asked Allah that very question directly point blank : Why do you create this human thing who will do such evil thing when we are so good and devoted to you, and god answered them point blank , I know what you don’t know !! The arrogance of creation thinking the have reason it all and though they have been taught a lot , the creator and great designer of it all knows it all .
so what that means, Allah wanted to see evil spread in the world. before the evil, there was only good in the world. and it did nt satisy Allah............ which is why evil people can say, we are just doing Allah's bidding, dont blame us for all the evil in the world, dont look at us as bad, we are Allah's agents.............. doing His bidding
@ That is what it means to you given your obvious reasoning limitations not what it means . What it all means god only knows. As an article of faith we surrender our will and limitations to a greater omnipotent power . There cannot be good without evil to define it . Day and night , light and dark, pain and joy , etc all sorts of opposites exist side by side and define each other . As for you quoting evil doers as having truth and reason on their side it is foolish of you to even consider their reason as evidence of truth . There are no answer s to many questions nor are we entitled to know it all .
>>>> There are no answer s to many questions nor are we entitled to know it all .
the people who question, they find the answers, the people who say "God does nt want us to know".......... they live on in illiteracy .........
@ Ah so you are one of those novice deep thinkers who have found the truth by casting doubt !! 😂😂 You don’t have to believe anything , to you your way and to us our way .
let's see if this meets Occam's razor: God created a world with physical laws and put man (and jinn, previously) in it for test of who lives a moral life. Sometimes God will put us to test and sometimes the actions of others will test us. It is all about test. And no injustice will be allowed to persist on the judgement day.
agreed... a simple and elegant method to seperate true believers vs weak of faith
The very fact that Allah is supposedly all powerful makes all of this unnecessary and therefore injustice.
Cause this life is an test.
There will be children that dies before the age of maturity and then gets tested in the afterlife. So there are unnecessary suffering for those that do not get tested in this life meaning evil is not justified by this life being a test.
@bamboo1763 who told you that,if you don't follow the faith whether you suffer or not its your problem,but if you do the creator tests you to see if you are loyal the your creator and prove you are a worthy recipient for paradise.
@JunaidAsmal
The problem is there are children that suffer and then die before the age of maturity and then don't have their suffering counts as evidence for their loyalty to Allah.
Furthermore, what's the point of causing a infant who can't even comprehend that there exists a world outside their sight to suffer and have no idea of god and loyalty?
Lastly, which righteous entity will torture children to see their loyalty to him and then send them to hell for more if he thinks they are not loyal to him?
@bamboo1763 bro we as muslims never question the decree of ALLAH.
@JunaidAsmal
From what is taught in islam, I highly doubt it the entity behind islam is who it claims to be. The way I see it theres more likely that it's not from god then it is.
All Action has a REACTION
You REAP WHAT YOU SOW.
It’s the Universal Law.
If you hate Others,
Others will hate you,
If you will Kill others
Others will kill you.
IF you Commit Atrocities to others
OTHERS will do the Same .
If You care for Others
Others will care directly or Indirectly for you and your family.
If you Treat Others Kindly
OTHERS will Treat you and your family kindly wherever they may be living.
If You Help others
Others will help you and your Family.
And if You are Celebrating their Misery then EVERY ACTION has a REACTION.
Isn't coming into existence once the greatest crime? Even if you are a very good Muslim you cannot escape death, the apocalypse, and the troubles of the day of judgement. All good things are temporary, at the end great absence and death will catch everything. How a human can be happy knowing that? I am looking at the sky, trees and only seeing death. Because existence of them is only for a little moment, like us.
Read Said Nursi
@Drigger95 I'm not in need of mystery commentary of quran. There are hundreds of these comments.
@@SeFa590 If you don't care to search for an answer, why are you commenting in the first place? Also, buy the book if you actually care for an answer. I read it. It's in the last chapter author discusses it.
If you're not serious about learning, then go elsewhere to troll.
@@Drigger95 This man had written many books. Of which you're talking about?
@@SeFa590 "The Words" - by Said Nursi. He discusses all of the branches of Iman.
Or, you can read the book this episode is about, Pearls In the Deep. He discusses your question specifically in the last chapter.
Because we are bad so bad happens to bad
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Yet to listen, do they mean recent russian/putin air strikes in Aleppo?
Somebody explain to me why innocent children in Gaza are dying under the rubble of their bombed out houses? What is the divine purpose of their suffering? It can't be because God is testing their faith. They are too young to even know what it means to have faith. So how does Naz Hassan explain the divine purpose of their suffering?
they know...as harsh as the realities of war are we dont let it waver our faith...my kin suffers from similar tribulations in Kashmir... we dont let it waver our faith... screaming at God does nothing but make you the loser...those children will get high ranks in afterlife and those inflicting such horrific crimes on them will receive divine retribution... children dying in warzones in a test of faith on everybody else if not on them(if they are too young) ...
does it give us enough of a push to step into the warzone to help them?
does it give us enough guts to send our sons to their aid? as harsh as it is..this is how freewill works...monsters use it for evil and even little kids in Gaza or Kashmir suffering thrrough war know they will be granted their share in good in the eternal afterlife and have their retribution
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It's not a war! Never was a war, and never will be! It's a pure, unadulterated evil!
@@LastBrainCell01 great explanation
@@LastBrainCell01
It's not as if all the children who died before they reach the age of maturity will immediately go to heaven: no they will be tested and a significant portion of them will go to hell.
@@LastBrainCell01 Are you telling me as far as the children are concerned, their suffering is for the purpose of getting "high ranks in afterlife"? So you're suggesting their suffering is actually a blessing. We all should be grateful to God for their suffering because they will get "high ranks in afterlife". Is that it? Did I understand you correctly?
God did not tell Abraham to sacrifice his son, God showed him a dream in which he was sacrificing his son.
Abraham took that as a command to sacrifice him, but God did not command him to do it.
Dreams have interpretations.
So Abraham misinterpreted God and decided to kill his son??? Lol😊
@@Drigger95 Well, God says to Abraham "you believed the dream?" in the Quran.
So, maybe he did misinterpret the dream and thought that it was a command from God.
Why is that funny? I don't understand.
@scholarforpeace which verse are you quoting?
@@Drigger95 Assaffat (37:105)
"Have you believed the dream? This is how we reward those who do good: and then we tributed him a ram."
@@scholarforpeace so... God is rewarding him for misinterpreting the dream and trying to commit murder?
All the miracles that happened during the bible/quran fairy story but suddenly when cameras and video recorders are around those miracles dried up. It is as though people were making up stories. Strange that. How mohammad would invent laws in revelations as they became convenient. If he needed something, have a revelation and now he could do it.
If someone is murdered, Allah wanted that murder to happen. Things only happen if Allah wants them to happen. The intention is His.
nothing happens without the will of Allah. if Allah wanted muslims to discover the Americas back in the 1500s, such that today there would be 800 million muslims in the Americas, he could have willed it. but instead He chose christians instead to discover the Americas and today as a result we have 800 million christians in the Americas. its the will of Allah.
@@oblongmoron-cj2ue wow. there were zero moslems and zero christians in the Americas back in the 1500s
and today [500 years later] there are 800 million christians and 20 million moslems
allah is indeed the best planner.
I have big spiritual dilemma brother Paul. I fail to see any logic in the pain and misery that a small child goes through in terms of physical and sexual abuse and then being trafficked and murdered. what horrors the parents go through or sensitive people like me. Women treated horribly during wars . isnt that evil that these children did not earn. we as muslims always tell our children that Allah protects children and then this happens. Please anyone show me the light through this.
I encourage you to get the book. One of the chapters in the book deals with children suffering.
@Drigger95 which book
@@farahsyed1373 The book in the video they're talking about, pearls in the deep.
If god doesn't exist then why do good things happen.
Good and evil can happen without god, but evil cannot happen with god.
@bamboo1763 title of this video if god exist then why do bad things happen? so from where evil you quoting from!! This shows devil in work.
@TheMrZek
Evil is effectively bad things with no benefits.
According to the "good book", Yahweh was a warlord. Seems he still is. Isn't war supposed to be bad?
an act in itself is not good or bad. it is the intention behind that action that makes it good or bad. War is the same.
What I have perceived from Quran and LIFE ,the great Educationist , is that we've got it all Wrong about the EVIL being the necessary part of Human trial .... oh No ! I believe We the Humans were created to UNDERSTAND the powers and beauty of Our Creator by going through LIFE in this World where we practice our Powers ...
we get tired ..we realise ALLAH is the actual unimaginably powerful and genius Being !
the EVIL was not given importance for our trial on Earth .. the Iblees LOST the game up there .. shetaan literally means "placed very far away" its just that iblees challenged our creation ..
ALLAH Subhan didn't want to see him ever again ... not even as an instrument for human trial ...
Iblees was Useless and it only takes away with it the useless creations with him to a Far far place ...
This is why humans and Jinns should Try to be purposeful and Useful in this given life .... the Useful beings are never thrown away by ALLAH SUBHAN
When you hear the words of Sufis its time to change the channel.
The only piints that made sense were those of Paul
If barbers exist, why do bad hair days happen 😢
CORRECTION: If FREE barbers exist, why do bad hair days happen 😢
answer: barbers are not free........
@@AsifKhan-hf9zy your position is that bad hair days only happen to broke people?
How old is this Naz guy? 12?
Bad things happen because God exits
depends. if he exits thru a proper exit with a city inspected and certified exit sign atop.
or if he exits through a window or an air duct for instance.
Οὐκ οἶσθ᾽ ὅ τι ζῇς οὐδ᾽ ὃ δρᾷς οὐδ᾽ ὅστις εἶ
It's like saying o if police exists then why are there still crimes happening 😂😂😂 non Islamic logics breaks the very essence of logic 😂