Hello DippinnDot. Thanks for inquiring. You can see all my gear and links at my website suburbancamping.com. Here is the page with a link to the rooftop rack and rear hitch rack: www.suburbancamping.com/suv-gear. And here is the page featuring all my camping gear: www.suburbancamping.com/camping-gear
Sir, thank you for the best SUV conversion video. As an ex-paramedic, I truly appreciate how you stressed having a cargo net and securing all objects. If people could ride around in an ambulance for just a week, they'd do this automatically. And thank you for the great video, as I want to convert my Durango. I look forward to seeing more.
I have lots of experience with suv camping. My two take aways from this video. First thank you for not promoting some ridiculously high sleeping platform. Second when starting out over pack but if you aren't using something on a regular basis leave it at home. It is possible to take to much with you.
Wow... My mind is blown... I am 1 week from this crazy 5000 dollar build in a sub, because I've been watching those same vids... Not now, not now... Thank you for your knowledge and wisdom
I do believe you just changed my mind on the whole platform. I’d been back and forth over design, widths, heights, materials & building. Thanks for opening my eyes
Thanks! That is the reason for the video - to help people think it through and not assume a platform should be the first choice, so glad to hear you say what you said!
FINALLY a damn good video of information and no fluff. Fast info. No sponsor bullshit. Im immediately subscribed and willing to pay you for your time if you keep videos like this.
Thanks so much Michael. It means a great deal to me that you described my channel goals quite well! No payment necessary - I enjoy doing it, and I make a little money from advertising and affiliate links. Probably enough to pay for one camping trip per month! 😀
Having an older model suburban or yukon xl like this one is a huge key to success! Incredibly spacious, fold flat seats, powerful engine, good offroad capabilities, readily available spare parts, and likely a great purchase price from the start! Love these... 2002-2014 are ideal!
I'd love to hear more about why 2002-2014 are considered ideal! As for spacious, looks like they continued getting longer since then so think they're all spacious? I did notice there were recalls on 2011, 2012, 2016, 2017, and especially 2015. 2000-2014 was good safety. 2015-2020 top pick safety.
@@flowersafeheartBecause the newer ones are full of electronic and emissions and safety crap and body design that is useless, reduces off road capability and payload, (requiring more power to offset the added weight) and is expensive and complicated to fix if it breaks. The older ones have excellent the great 4.8s/5.3s/6.0s (or 8.1 or Duranax in the HD 3/4 ton versions). These GMT800s are legendary for their capability, reliability, and performance, having what you need and none of what you dont. (Even better than GMT400s). Also no TPMS up to 2005. No oversized expensive performance robbing low aspect ratio rims and tires standard, better visibility, solid axle (2021+ have shtty IFS rear axle). No stupid Navigation screens etc Just because something is longer doesn't mean it has more usable cu. feet- it very well may have less.
@@lockandloadlikehellDang well thanks so much for taking time to give such a thorough insight on it to everyone reading! 😊 So to clarify, which years do you recommend for Suburban or Yukon then?
@@lockandloadlikehellI have the same question as the other commenter. Which years of Subaru Outbacks (and Yukons for the other commenter) do you recommend?
I'll start off by saying I have watched car camping videos for YEARS, and this video blows them all away in terms of true utility. This feels like true Grandpa wisdom, thank you!
Several months ago when I first looked into SUV camping, your videos were some of the first I watched. I then decided to look into buying a teardrop camper trailer and building a DIY platform. As I am sure you know, there are several cons with these camping options and it still goes back to what you say which is you lose headroom with a DIY platform. Also, if you buy a teardrop camper you deal with all of the hassles costs of hauling, parking and storing a teardrop camper. So, thank you for your videos because I think your methods of SUV including mini-van camping is the smartest. Just have a big enough vehicle, pack your stuff and go camping! I was a Boy Scout, so I too pack you do with the motto of always, "Be Prepared" in mind.
One of the most informative setup videos for car campers that I've seen. You are absolutely right people get caught up in the platform build and forget the room that could be saved by sleeping on the platform the vehicle builder has already provided the floor. Great vid!
Lets agree to disagree. Given time and many trips, most will eventually build a platform. If you make it tall enough the shorter Rubbermapids and use a 6”.thick mattr3ss…you can sit up and get out of bed just fine. This is just ones man opinion and is is contrary to the preferences that many campers share.
Yep, you are exactly right! I screwed around with a wood build in my car for two years and honestly it was the biggest pain in the ass. Had to keep doing things to maintain it etc. it was heavy, and actually pretty impractical. I finally got fed up and tore all that shit out and just did a simple build exactly like yours. So much easier so much more comfortable and everything is much more accessible. My SUV literally flies down the freeway now without all that weight. Wish I had done it two years ago! Regarding the headspace, that is truly so incredibly important. What a pain in the ass it is to not be able to sit up and move around, especially when it’s really warm you feel like you were in a heat box. So much nicer to have more airflow more room to set up and get dressed, etc. All those TH-cam wood builds do look really cool, but anyone can have it so much better and more simple by following this video.
Oh, and I also discovered that using soft sided storage instead of boxes also makes it much more roomier and easier. I actually ended up buying one of those trunk cargo thingies off of Amazon that are kind of soft sided but have a firm top so you can stack them if you want. They are really helpful and I like them much better than hard plastic bins. Kind of a compromise between hard storage bins and duffel bag- like storage
I built a platform 6 inches tall and only on one side of my suburban because the floor contained raised attachment points for the third seat that would have been very uncomfortable to sleep on. I store things I don't use regularly under the platform such as tools, air pump, etc. I still have plenty of room to sit up without my head touching. Since I'm the only one sleeping in it, there was no need to cover the entire back with the platform. This allows me to sit on the platform with my feet on the lower side as if it is a couch and is rather comfortable. Works great for me!
Thanks for sharing this info Mtn Wanderer. What model year is your Suburban? I have been wondering about post-9th generation models and they ability to fold down completely flat.
@@SuburbanCamping I have a 2011. With the second seat (backs only) folded down, there is a still a height difference there that the bed platform I made accommodates for. There is a moderate step down if I fold the second seat all the way forward. I wish they had made it so that the whole area is flat from the lift gate to the front seat when seats are folded down.
Thanks for the reply. Yes, it is a very nice feature of the 8th and 9th generation to have the whole area flat. I would love to share some information on the 10th generation on my website suburbancamping.com. Would you be willing to share some pictures? I would accredit you for sharing them.
Great! Thanks. Just one before and after picture is all I really need. So, one shot what it looks like with seats folded down and one shot of your modification. If you want to also include a shot of how you utilize the space after the modification, that would be great. You can email them to campingsuburban@gmail.com. Thanks so much!
Solid advice! i honestly think platforms make the vehicle less versatile, needlessly complicated and reduces usable space. With this setup, anyone can pretty much go Camping tomorrow!
I agree with your perspective on how a platform bed can be more of a pain than a benefit. I have an old 4-runner, and built a platform bed. There are a lot of benefits to the drawer system, but after a couple years of use it was honestly nice to not have it. The headspace when sleeping is just too good, especially when the back of my SUV is much smaller than yours. Once I got rid of my platform bed the amount of gear I brought didnt significantly change, and really I ended up with a setup similar to what my grandpa takes when we go hunting. Simple is better sometimes
Different strokes for different folks, I think. If it works for you, great. Others seem extremely happy with building out the interior of their SUV. Maybe they're willing to sacrifice some storage space (the loss of which I think can be minimizes) for having a permanent layout. To minimize the hassle for frequent camping, this system seems awesome. For being permanently on the road, I wouldn't prefer it. Some people don't want an RV, due to expense and accessibility issues. An SUV can take you places an RV cannot. All that said, I like the video. I was sucked into watching several 😅. Lots of food for thought.
Ignorance is bliss and most people only follow and copy what is trendy and what they see other people do without really examining their decisions.They might be happy trying cram a house layout inside the back of a mini van but that doesn't mean it's practical or comfortable.
@@Un1234l Yes. We have a Hyundai iMax, we removed and gave away the middle row of seats. The permanent tri-fold bed easily transforms the van from a five seater car to a campervan for two. It has carted boxes, rubbish, timber etc. and we have the ability to tow a hired trailer if we need to move bigger items down the track. We custom built a permanent kitchen box with shelves behind the back seat and it has a 120 x 60cm drop down benchtop with full width support that drops down and sits on the bumper. A tailgate tent permanently fixed inside drops down for privacy...change room, bathroom, toilet room, enclosed kitchen if needed. We also have an awning on both sides of the van. I love the fact that bar the front foot-wells we don't really traipse dirt into the van. As they say...jettison all but the essentials...a place for everything and everything in it's place...live outside and sleep inside. To date we've camped as few as two days and traveled seven weeks in 0° to 30+°, windy, rainy, great and I want to go home now days. Much fun to be had...
I just converted my 2021 Tiguan into a micro camper, and I am planning on travelling the country for a couple of years in it. The most important thing for me when building was being able to sit up straight on the bed, so I also forewent the raised platform. I don't understand how people can comfortable live in those ones that have 2 feet clearance above the bed. I also have my dog with me, so I want him to be comfortable when we are in transit. I simply took out the seats, secured 2 wooden bases to the frame where the seats were attached, and laid some insulated plywood across the top. Cut in some storage access under the platform for all my clothing, since there was a good gap beneath it when I made a level platform, and built a small storage shelf unit on the side of the bed which is more than enough for all my stuff. I have a refrigerator, water, and dry food storage behind the front seats. I can be off-grid for up to 3 weeks at a time. If you are just going out for a weekend, then the platform might work out, but if you plan to do long term living in the van/suv, then floor level sleeping is a must. Imagine not being able to sit up and read when its raining out, having to lay flat with no clearance.
Thank you for the comment Arthur. So glad to hear you are making a go of it in your Tiguan. Very impressed by your long-term commitment. Would love to see pictures of your setup!
I agree, the raised beds never appealed to me. There's a video out there of a young lady in her minivan I think. She slept on the floor and had storage down one side and "facilities" (kitchen, etc) down the other. She's the only one I've seen do **that**. I've got the usual bed down one side on the floor (SUV) and stuff down the other (would really like a bit more space down the middle). I envied her set-up. I guess it wouldn't work if one was claustrophobic, or if travelling with someone else, but she really had a good thing there.
I have watched three videos before this and was thinking . . . why platforms. So I agree. I did one 2000 mile trip from Texas to upstate Ny with my bottom sofa cushions for a bed. So comfortable and couldn't imagine losing the head space. Great video. Many ideas for storage so thanks.
You're the second video I've seen talking about the raised platform for a bed. Glad I heard you two out because now I'm seriously considering not raising my sleep platform. Thanks again!
I agree. I'm not interested in seeing everything you've packed in your vehicle, I want to see how you packed everything in your vehicle. and any new helpful hints and products.
100% agree on the no raised platform, ever! Originally did that to my 06 4Runner to live out of for a ski season and hated it. Not being able to sit up and move around in your own bed is pretty annoying and demoralizing. Especially when full timing it. Went to a small 1/3 table behind single back seat and so much head room now. Full inside cooking capabilities now too on a simple 2 burner propane. A couple deep cycle batteries/solar, a cushy mattress, and it’s full a full on micro camper with some great off-road chops. SUV builds are cool.
Gabriel, what is a 1/3 table, might I ask? Are you utilizing a 60/40 split rear seat with one seat up and the other down, or is this a type table that would level the area behind the rear seat? The seats in my Rav4 don't fold completely flat either.
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I have spent hundreds of hours watching videos on how to camp or live in a sub since I have always wanted to do the road trip from Mexico City to Yellostone. Like you, I love watching the videos of people who make a thousand adaptations to their truck, platforms and more. The trip is not cheap at all due to fuel, a little more than $1,000 USD plus the necessary equipment. It NEVER occurred to me to make it as simple as you, really "keep it simple" is the best, economical and at the end of the trip, my truck remains the same (Jeep Liberty KK Sport 4x4). Goodbye to platforms. Thank you so much.
I have thought the same exact thing about a bed platform! I like being able to move around. I do not like the idea of no sit-up space. Otherwise, I feel claustrophobic! I am only 5ft tall too. 🤣 one thing I do have is a hitch basket. It allows me to be ready for anything as well as my rooftop waterproof carrier "bag".
Never seen your channel before but it's amazing how similar my own camping arrangements are in my 06 Toyota Sequoia! I'm 100% with you in preferring no build because it's heavy, harder to install/load, and limits headroom. I use various sleeping pads on my flat floor (complete with carpet remnants and extra mats underneath) and all my dedicated camping stuff is in bins. I use my rig as a daily driver and when I want to go on a little adventure, I can just toss it all inside and take off. Like you I also use a small level and put a wheel up onto my recovery boards if necessary. I also made magnet bug screens for myself.
After searching for well over a year on the best tutorial that’s suited for my liking, I am SO GRATEFUL to have stumbled across this video and your channel! We think alike in a lot of ways - being prepared for anything, for one. I appreciate your checklist & organization tactics for the bins! New subscriber here looking forward to watching more of your content!
I've slept without a raised platform and the difference in air is noticeable and even impeads sleep. I think the biggest reason people raise the platform is to avoid this problem and raise the quality of sleep. If you do the setup correctly you can have a single raised bed with a ton of storage underneath and a lounge area for hanging out with head room.
Thanks Camp'n Outdoors. I believe you are referring to the fact that sleeping at window level provides better airflow and I can see that. Yes, there are ways to do a platform and still maximize space, and I think a one-sided platform would do just that.
Great suggestions. Of course I think so because I concluded the same thing… build flat not a platform. With a Subaru Outback, headspace was at a premium & I wasn’t giving that up! I see folks build a platform in an Outback then add a 6” mattress, and the result is worse claustrophobia than getting an MRI!! I think your advice is especially important for seniors with less mobility. They watch all the TH-cam videos of twenty somethings builds & don’t take into consideration how they’re going to climb into the tower they’ve created. Much needed advice. Plus my vehicle is always ready for a family drive etc…because I haven’t permanently altered its functionality. Keep it simple.
Thanks Johanna! I appreciate the comment and the info you shared. I am getting older and need all the room I can get to maneuver my way out the passenger door!
lol...im 63 and will be building mine in summer of 2022 Never used a jigsaw before but no harm in trying...have no issues getting up the back of my f150 pickup.
I agree if you are camping with your vehicle but looking back to when I was living in one I would have gotten burn out quick just knowing every stop I made (every week or two all year round) I had to unload and start going through all those crates for everything I need then the loading and unloading every time. No thanks.. Perfectly reasonable for just camping though..
Nice. I've watched at least half a dozen of these videos this morning and yours is the first to actually address what I consider to be one of the most troubling issues with sleeping in your vehicle: temperature control and ventilation. Anyone can sleep in their car. It takes significant thought not to wake up with yourself and the interior of the vehicle dripping in condensation or covered in mosquito bites. And summer temperatures are much more difficult to handle than winter, as you can always add insulation when you're cold. Unfortunately, the vast majority of camping is done outside of the winter months.
We had a 2002 Burbie - same color as yours. Loved that thing into the ground! Best car ever. We're in the market for another. Thanks for sharing these tips.
Great video! I really appreciate the focus on safety and prevention of loose items that can become "missiles" if you have to stop quickly. I met a family whilst working at a counseling center that experienced the worst imaginable cargo shift projectile missiles when a forced sudden stop vaulted a sewing machine from the back hitting the mother in the back of the head, she died instantly, several children also injured... ALWAYS secure everything that can "move" during a sudden stop!!
I've watched a ton of these SUV camper conversion videos and this one is the best. You're so right - headroom is super important to maximize comfort. I'm also against all of the wood builds people use. Nice, but ultimately impractical and heavy. Rounded edge storage bins are a lot more forgiving to your shins and other body parts in a tight space. I'm going to look at outdoor rugs tomorrow. That was a great idea. Now, just need to find the right mattress.
Hello, I'm new to your channel. You're the only one here on YT that uses good common sense. I've been truck camping off & on since the 80's. Were you in the military? In the military we used to label storage units & secure them the same way as you did. I found out that if you use splash guards this will help keep your rig clean, also if use wasp & hornet spray on & around your tires & all points of contact on the ground to keep unwanted critters out. Thanks for the useful tips, drive safe. 🤠🤠
Thank you so much. I appreciate the positive feedback and tips - love the wasp spray idea! I was not in the military - just an organized person with a bit of OCD!
Good Job, ...I have been cruizing the 'camping' TH-camrs and have come up with you finally ...I too do it the way you do (but I use a Cargo Van ...the electric couch comes out (if need be) and I keep several businesses in a storage unit (Detail, Mechanic, Carpet Cleaning, Food Truk, ...mostly I ride open houses (R/E agant since 1987) ...I find the Cargo Van useful when I get a BTS-Build to Suit job ...anyway your video was very well done (I also 'shoot' properties and do Drone Weddings ...when I actually go camping in the wild blue yonder, I carry several weapons from Compound Bow to 44 cal. and 3006 variety (Bears, Wolves...) #INTERESTINGTIMES
After camping in my suburban on and off for 8 yrs now, I have a short 12" tall platform that is in the back part and I still use the backseats, the platform has two slides that i made and is tied down securely, I have the barn doors so a small tarp and I have my kitchen area , I'm 6'4" 280 so I take up a lot of space inside but my 2nd wife and I Ioved to camp in it. She's passed away now but I am still camping in it
I'll gladly listen to this advice. I spent 6 months living out of a Pontiac vibe and the one thing that bothered me more than anything else was lack of headroom!
This actually makes sense. Most of us aren't living in our vehicles, and are car camping on the weekends and/or a week or so at a time. How much stuff to you really need to travel comfortably?
BEST EVER ADVICE! Totally agree with the no platform advice. Im moving from a Renault Trafic to an SUV and the importance of head room is paramount yet everyone else saying bed platform best! THANK YOU!
I did the raised platform and it's a terrible thing. Couldn't sit up. Hard to get in and out of. I took out my seats and built a platform that was level with the seat so I actually added storage. I'm still learning what works but you are so correct on platforms.
I agree with you, in theory, about not having a raised platform, especially for the newer SUV's. But some of the older ones, like your Suburban, and even my 2003 Rendezvous have more than room to utilize a raised platform, and STILL have room to sit up comfortably without your head hitting the ceiling. I had a 9" high raised platform that was the width of my cot air mattress (23" wide), constructed with 2x2s to give it an open frame to access all my tools underneath, and also had hinges on the 3/4" plywood on top that could be lifted easily, even with the cot air mattress, a 4" memory foam topper and my bedding on it, to remove our put back items that wouldn't fit through the framing. It was the perfect solution for me. My Rendezvous had a little over 100 cu. ft. of cargo space with the 2nd row seats out (48"W x 78"L x 48" H). And I'm not short, 5' 8" tall.
I am all for keep it simple. Many of these van conversions seem to be competitions. Alot depends on whether you have a home base or whether this will be a home base.... But yeah, as a senior female, not techy, I will be giving this a shot in the simplest manner.....beginning with what I have .... My Murano. ♥️🇨🇦
I love watching this video. 😍 I've seen it a Million times and it opened my eyes to the benefits of a no build. With the bins, you have plenty of storage, and by moving them around you can open up the space in the van. Like you said, you can sit, lounge and lay. This video has also got me thinking that I can live in a Minivan. 🚗
I camp in my Yukon xl. It is built out. All rear seats removed. You are 100% right about head room and a permanent sleeping area and keeping warm. I camp alone. My sleeping area is 30 inches wide with full height. A raised cabinet around 15 inches tall and 18 wide on the drivers side buts into a full height cabinet. With the seats removed there is a step down that allows me to sit up with my feet lowered like a chair. As I sit there i am facing my dc refrigerator.The full height cabinet has 3 inch shelves on the inside. Open the drivers rear door and there is a huge storage area. At the base under the cabinet I have my electronics. Agm battery, solar controller, inverter and fuse panel. On the roof 2 100 watt panels and a 4x4 roof rack surrounded by 4 inch drain pipe with valves and pressure. Holds 10 gallons of water 24” wide screen tv, DVD player. The best feature is mounted behind the drivers seat…the diesel heater. Oh almost forgot to mention cooking. The floor is 3/4 plywood sitting on 3/4 strips allowing a 1/2 inch piece of birch to slide out a be supported by the cargo carrier. I drilled 2 6 inch holes and drop in 2 of those propane stand up burners that screw onto the 1lb cylinders so they are flush. Seen many of these builds on TH-cam and there is nothing I would change about mine. Last year I started pulling a pop up camper. Spent the last 3 winters 3- 4 months camping out in Arizona as the winter is pretty cold here in Idaho. Thanks for the video. I liked it. A sleeping platform with drawers ruins the car for anything but sleeping imho.
We have a 2013 Suburban. We took out the back seats and put in a plywood board that we had padded and carpeted. It is completely flat on the floor with no platform. We sleep on foam pads. Sleeps great!
Well done Linda! I appreciate you sharing information on a newer generation Suburban. It does require some modification and sounds like you nailed it! Happy camping!
It’s a bit of a challenge to flatten my 2021 CR-V, but I managed to do it and my grandson and I enjoyed great car camping a couple of weeks ago. We just placed all the bins on the front seats and floors and had the whole back to sleep on. The whole platform thing is not necessary unless you live in your vehicle I suppose.
Your timing for this video was perfect for me. I've been struggling with the built in storage concepts but recently (2 weeks ago) decided to go with collapsible storage boxes for now. I just couldn't see sacrificing the headroom. Also, I recently had to replace the speed control for the rear AC fan which required removing the inner right rear fender cover. This would require removing any built in storage. Lately I've been solo camping using my suburban for sleeping. I've done this before but never had a "system". I just bought leveling ramps (I didn't like the blocks) and used them for thd first time 3 weeks ago. What a difference sleeping level makes. Also finally bought a very comfortable air mattress (REI MegaMat 15 - pricy but way comfy). I like the collapsible boxes because they store better when empty. I use them for dry food, clothes, and misc gear. I might invest in some hard storage boxes in the future. Thx for the video.
I looked into a platform build when I created a temporary conversion for my Subaru Forester, but there just isn't enough headroom, especially if you're 6'2". I did however have to do a slight buildup, because there's a 3 1/2" slope from the front of the Forester cargo area and the back when the rear seats are down. I simply added a couple of pieces of wood at the back, just enough to level a 40" x 64" sheet of 3/4" plywood. I then placed a 24" x 60" board on top of that and covered the entire area with a rug. The reason for the 24" x 60" board is when the tailgate is open, I can pull it out a couple feet to use as a table. When I want to sleep, I place the front passenger seat forward and upright, then push the 24" x 60" board forward which extends my sleep area by an additional foot, giving roughly 75". That 3 1/2" build up at the tailgate isn't much, I usually don't use it, but I could store a couple small items like my hiking poles, maybe some water bottles...., but I normally ignore it, it's simply there to create a flat surface.
@@shea4615 I'm assuming the board you're talking about is the 24" x 60" one that I extend forward to increase the sleeping area. Nothing supports it. When I slide the board forward, it's only extends about 14 inches. The rest of the board is under the carpet, the weight of the carpet/board acts as a counterweight. When I lay down most of my body weight is then holding it in place. When I pull it out the back to use as a table, again the weight of the carpet is acting as a counter weight to hold the board up. When using it as I table, I just have to be careful how far I pull it out and how much weight I put on it. This is the reason why I use should a long piece of wood (60"), so the majority of the board acts as a counterweight.. If I need to pull it out further as a table, I can always place my 7 gallon (42 pounds) water jug on the board on the inside to act as additional counterweight. I hope this helps.
Huzzah, I was beginning to think I was only person that valued headroom and did away with the platform notion. A foam wedge makes it easy to level the mattress and only costs a few bucks, so only need to level the car, which I rarely need to do. And kudos for emphasising importance to tie down items. Some of the builds on TH-cam would be insanely dangerous in an accident.
I went to your website. Awesome resource! I downloaded your packing list and will modify it to suit my Jeep Commander platform. This is exactly what I've been looking for from someone who already has it figured out. It's so in line with what I've been imagining. THANKS 👍
I’ve done a lot of backcountry camping and I rarely have a completely level place to set my tent. Having my head slightly above my feet has never bothered me. I have the same situation in my SUV.
Great vid. Thanks for the tips! I've been using my minivan for long road trips for several years. But now I live where there's a lot of snow, and I also find myself wanting more flexibility with the terrain I drive over on road trips. So I'm considering switching to an SUV. I am with you on wanting to be able to sit up straight in the back! I'm so glad I found your vid. All the other vids I've seen so far tell you to build a platform. No thank you! I like your idea much better. Happy trails!
Just saw this video today. I absolutely agree with your point: 'do not build a high sleep platform'. We do some camping in National Parks in good weather but not too many days each time. What I did is to took off the back seats and install a piece board in their place to give me a 6 foot complete flat surface. I used 4 inch thick foam for the bed. I also build a platform in the back side of the SUV where I can store a lot of stuff on top of it. We can sit up very comfortably in the front portion and the lady is able to pee in a jar inside of the vehicle. I am always wondering those ladies have the high sleeping platforms as how to solve this problem. When sleeping, we got enough space for bending knees, only stick out feet underneath the rear end platform. I also use a hitch mount carrier to carry two of those Costco boxes which contains all the camping stuff. Front seats can be used for storing clothing and other personal items during night time. I do secure the rear platform and the stuff on top of it. We are packing light and only do camping in good weather and in national parks or state parks.
I made a raised bed in my SUV, but it's narrow and only takes up about half the width of my cargo area. I can still haul gear floor-to-ceiling on the other side of the cargo area from my bed, and I store items under the raised bed. Granted, I'm not hauling a canopy or full-sized camp kitchen, just basic backpacking type equipment so I don't have the need for the extra hauling space. I suppose it's a bit of a hybrid between the full-size raised beds and no raised bed at all.
Hey buddy, I appreciate your thorough,articulate, and intelligible videos. I've watched almost all of yours. I'm preparing for my 2nd summer stealth/urban camping. I work as a passenger vessel captain in the summers. I was in my 2004 Subaru Forester last summer in brutal heat at night, at southeast sea level. It sucked. I'm upgrading this summer. My Sunroof and USB rechargeable fans survived me. It sucks trying to change pants in the driver's seat of my car, hiding in a parking lot 😂 Please keep uploading! I have a request, please make a video about the "standing" (sitting-down) head room in a suburban vs a normal old Ford cargo work van; I won't ask you to demonstrate changing your pants LOL 😂 ✌ Great videos, thanks again. James
Hello James! Thank you so much for the positive feedback. Thorough, articulate, and intelligible are my main goals for the channel! With regard to head room, I will capture that in a future video. In the meantime, if you need any specific info such as that, please ask, and I am happy to provide it. Yes, changing pants inside can be a challenge for sure!
Thanks for the comment Denny! I am usually able to see out the back while driving, and when I camp, I will move bins up front so I can see out the windows in the back. Also, I usually only need to have one stack of three-high bins, but in the picture I shared, I was camping, skiing, and fishing, so I had a a lot of gear!
In the sea of insanely overpriced roof top tents crazy interior build outs, its bougie bougie to rich for my strict budget, I find your video and it’s practical common sense approach to gear storage and sleeping arrangements very refreshing and achievable on even the most modest of budgets.
Thanks for conformation on my decision to take out the small wooden platform I had in my car. I have a Coleman mattress pad and a 4 in memory foam mattress that is very comfy. I am hoping to free up space in my SUV.
I watched this video a couple years ago right after we got our 86 suburban. I'm glad I did. I had in my mind to build a bed box with drawers cuz that's what you do. After watching this video we decided to wait and see and we decided we didn't need it. Great video, great advice.
Probably a lot of the videos that talk about platform builds are for smaller SUVs that don't have a flat surface like your large SUV does. I bought 2x8 plywood and had it cut down to fit the length of my Rav4 with the back seat down and added 6" furniture legs on one end to get a flat surface. It does definitely impact the headroom, but I can sit up with my head just barely touching the roof. I liked your idea of the step risers for the tires to create a flat surface on uneven terrain. Thanks for sharing your tips.
You are welcome and thank you for sharing info on your setup. Fully recognize platforms may be needed, just trying to give folks pause, and make the point that it should not always be option 1.
Great video and some good ideas. I also don't want a build out so I can retain versatility when carting kids rather than camping gear, however folded flat my rear seats are raised a few inches. I might try a board with just enough of a support to make it level and avoid the under bed storage issue. I also use the same model boxes and the roof rack ideas. I have designed a simple frame using conduit for a tarp awning which I can drive up to or away from and use to cover the kitchen but for now I will continue draping a tarp over the tailgate. Looking forward to watching more of your videos.
I’m fortunate I’m short and sit on my armrest and I can sit fully upright. I have a Ford Explorer ST. I push my driver seat all the way forward (programmed press a button) and at night if I need to go potty there’s plenty of room. I sleep with my head at the back of the vehicle for ease of getting in and out of the vehicle. I have a small platform so I can slide my kitchen stuff under the sleeping space. I use a plastic shelving system as a platform to sleep on… I Love it. For cooking I keep it simple. I bought a cook stove and have never used it. .a waste of money that one. I use a perfect cooker, egg cooker, hot water boiling (3 cups) and an electric lunch box..I put in my steak or chicken pieces, plug it it while driving and 4 hours later when I’m hungry it’s ready to eat. I can cook 10oz of steak in that thing. And have enough for a couple of days. This is making me want to hit the road again.
Great information, thank you for sharing! I definitely agree with the no-build style. I like being able to sit up, so I am setting up a similar style shown in this video in my older 4Runner. Would be nice to have the storage that the Suburban does, but I will make it work!
I scratched off bed platform a while back. After going both ways on two separate camping trips i discovered i really enjoy more headroom. While a platform does have it's advantages it's mostly a matter of personal preference.
Thanks for this video. It’s supportive of my thoughts on the matter. Because I was never going to build a raised platform for my suv or minivan. If I get a high roof van..maybe. But even then issa maybe.
I'm with you. I have a Ford Ranger with a canopy and I've avoided building sleeping platforms or other structures inside the bed of my truck. Instead, I use a twin-sized air mattress (with built in foot pump) to sleep on. It fits perfectly in between the wheel wells inside the bed of the truck. When not in use, the air mattress packs down quite small which makes for more room to pack other things. Also, because I do some bush-whacking, I haven't mounted one of those expensive awnings to the roof of my canopy where it can be damaged by tree branches, etc. Instead, I just use some tarps that I attach to the roof of the canopy and cab with suction cup and extend them out to extension poles. If there's no picnic table where I'm camping, I have a 6 foot folding table that I put under the tarp. If there is a picnic table where I'm camping, and if I'm camping with other people, I'll bring my 12'x12' Eureka waterproof screenhouse to place over the picnic table.
Great! I have a 04 GMC Yukon XL and I love it. I call it the “mule!” It hauls so much gear. Can you share what you’re running on your hitch and on the roof for storage?
Hello Por Vida. Thanks for the comment. Here is a link to the page on my website that provides details on the gear I am running. www.suburbancamping.com/suv-gear
I agree I refuse to build a platform bed. Everyone keeps asking me when I'm going to build the platform bed. I say never. I think it takes away space just like you're stating
I tried a raised platform for my Forester b/c I though I needed it for the height difference due to the seats not being able to fold flat. It wasn't the worst thing but as stated by others, I didn't love the headspace and it was bulky and heavy if I needed to remove it to access the spare tire compartment. I realized that I don't mind the 3/5" height difference since I sleep on my back it kind of acts as a support. I also use a cheap plastic 3 drawer systems to store most of my kitchen & misc items. Seems to work well enough for the amount of camping I do.
I’ve been looking at all these build outs and I see more headaches than it’s worth. Loss of flexibility seems to be another thing with rigid builds. External storage is a great idea. Thanks for all the good info.
So sensible! This canopy idea is one I had... great to see this IRL. Also the protective net for the front and securing the load. Interlocking bins sensible.
In suggesting that people get an RV you clearly showed that you have completely missed the purpose of of why people convert vehicles to campers. This may be useful for your occasional weekend camper but there is absolutely nothing useful in here for the majority of people who are converting vehicles.
I appreciate your comment. I encourage you to check out the rest of the videos on my channel and hope you will find some useful information for converting vehicles to campers. Please keep in mind, the whole idea of the approach is a no-build conversion with no permanent modifications, so the vehicle can still be used as it was originally designed.
Nothing camper about your build lol. You're car camping and sleeping in your vehicle nothing more. That's the same as throwing a sleeping bag in an enclosed cargo trailer and calling it a travel trailer lol.
You do a build in a van or a minivan. An SUV is more or less already a camper. Fold the back seats down, throw in the foam mattress and a sleeping bag, instant shelter.
I lived in a minivan for 10 years....He is correct. If you have your bed on the bottom, it gives you room to sit on it and do things during the day. You can also put extra stuff on top of it and then move it off to sleep.
I agree bigtime about the raised platforms not being effecient, no headroom, etc. Better to keep bed surface flat as possible use storage tubs for gear, that can stay outside at night if necessary.
REALLY like your philosophy about camping in general (well, like most folks, I like it because I agree wholeheartedly with it! Grins.). The idea of camping is to BE OUTDOORS! So, my intention in the brief one and two night fishing trips in Colorado is to use my Highlander mostly for sleeping and shelter in the worst of weather, but to be outside as much as possible the rest of the time. And, like you have presented so well here, it allow for Keeping It Simple! Thanks!
What is that rooftop rack as well as that rear hitch rack??? links please!!!
Hello DippinnDot. Thanks for inquiring. You can see all my gear and links at my website suburbancamping.com. Here is the page with a link to the rooftop rack and rear hitch rack: www.suburbancamping.com/suv-gear. And here is the page featuring all my camping gear: www.suburbancamping.com/camping-gear
Sir, thank you for the best SUV conversion video. As an ex-paramedic, I truly appreciate how you stressed having a cargo net and securing all objects. If people could ride around in an ambulance for just a week, they'd do this automatically. And thank you for the great video, as I want to convert my Durango. I look forward to seeing more.
Thank you very much! Good luck with your Durango and happy camping!
I have lots of experience with suv camping. My two take aways from this video. First thank you for not promoting some ridiculously high sleeping platform. Second when starting out over pack but if you aren't using something on a regular basis leave it at home. It is possible to take to much with you.
Thank you for the comment and feedback Kristin!
Literally the same two things I’d tell people first. (Living in my 4Runner for 3 straight years)
@@SuburbanCamping I feel like you have far too many boxes and it looks uncomfortable but I thoroughly enjoyed the video, thank you :)
We do the same for years,but this is only good if you travel solo
@@turkey4957k
The most useful and informative 8 minutes for anyone wanting to do some SUV camping. Thank you!
Wow! Thanks so much!
Yes im starting with an mdx and this was great info !!!
Wow... My mind is blown... I am 1 week from this crazy 5000 dollar build in a sub, because I've been watching those same vids... Not now, not now... Thank you for your knowledge and wisdom
You are welcome Jie Me! Glad I could save you money and time. Now you can use that time to explore and camp in you Sub! Enjoy!
Well done from china
I do believe you just changed my mind on the whole platform. I’d been back and forth over design, widths, heights, materials & building. Thanks for opening my eyes
Thanks! That is the reason for the video - to help people think it through and not assume a platform should be the first choice, so glad to hear you say what you said!
FINALLY a damn good video of information and no fluff. Fast info. No sponsor bullshit. Im immediately subscribed and willing to pay you for your time if you keep videos like this.
Thanks so much Michael. It means a great deal to me that you described my channel goals quite well! No payment necessary - I enjoy doing it, and I make a little money from advertising and affiliate links. Probably enough to pay for one camping trip per month! 😀
Having an older model suburban or yukon xl like this one is a huge key to success! Incredibly spacious, fold flat seats, powerful engine, good offroad capabilities, readily available spare parts, and likely a great purchase price from the start! Love these... 2002-2014 are ideal!
Thanks Joel! Of course, I agree! 😀 Thanks for taking the time to comment.
I'd love to hear more about why 2002-2014 are considered ideal! As for spacious, looks like they continued getting longer since then so think they're all spacious? I did notice there were recalls on 2011, 2012, 2016, 2017, and especially 2015. 2000-2014 was good safety. 2015-2020 top pick safety.
@@flowersafeheartBecause the newer ones are full of electronic and emissions and safety crap and body design that is useless, reduces off road capability and payload, (requiring more power to offset the added weight) and is expensive and complicated to fix if it breaks.
The older ones have excellent the great 4.8s/5.3s/6.0s (or 8.1 or Duranax in the HD 3/4 ton versions).
These GMT800s are legendary for their capability, reliability, and performance, having what you need and none of what you dont. (Even better than GMT400s).
Also no TPMS up to 2005.
No oversized expensive performance robbing low aspect ratio rims and tires standard, better visibility, solid axle (2021+ have shtty IFS rear axle).
No stupid Navigation screens etc
Just because something is longer doesn't mean it has more usable cu. feet- it very well may have less.
@@lockandloadlikehellDang well thanks so much for taking time to give such a thorough insight on it to everyone reading! 😊
So to clarify, which years do you recommend for Suburban or Yukon then?
@@lockandloadlikehellI have the same question as the other commenter. Which years of Subaru Outbacks (and Yukons for the other commenter) do you recommend?
I'll start off by saying I have watched car camping videos for YEARS, and this video blows them all away in terms of true utility. This feels like true Grandpa wisdom, thank you!
Thank you! My grandparents taught me well!
Several months ago when I first looked into SUV camping, your videos were some of the first I watched. I then decided to look into buying a teardrop camper trailer and building a DIY platform. As I am sure you know, there are several cons with these camping options and it still goes back to what you say which is you lose headroom with a DIY platform. Also, if you buy a teardrop camper you deal with all of the hassles costs of hauling, parking and storing a teardrop camper. So, thank you for your videos because I think your methods of SUV including mini-van camping is the smartest. Just have a big enough vehicle, pack your stuff and go camping! I was a Boy Scout, so I too pack you do with the motto of always, "Be Prepared" in mind.
Thank you Otis. I appreciate your positive, thoughtful, and insightful comments!
One of the most informative setup videos for car campers that I've seen. You are absolutely right people get caught up in the platform build and forget the room that could be saved by sleeping on the platform the vehicle builder has already provided the floor. Great vid!
Thank you Rosel! I appreciate your positive feedback.
Lets agree to disagree. Given time and many trips, most will eventually build a platform. If you make it tall enough the shorter Rubbermapids and use a 6”.thick mattr3ss…you can sit up and get out of bed just fine. This is just ones man opinion and is is contrary to the preferences that many campers share.
@@geraldhenrickson7472 You can store under the platform so you don't really lose storage space
Yep, you are exactly right! I screwed around with a wood build in my car for two years and honestly it was the biggest pain in the ass. Had to keep doing things to maintain it etc. it was heavy, and actually pretty impractical. I finally got fed up and tore all that shit out and just did a simple build exactly like yours. So much easier so much more comfortable and everything is much more accessible. My SUV literally flies down the freeway now without all that weight. Wish I had done it two years ago! Regarding the headspace, that is truly so incredibly important. What a pain in the ass it is to not be able to sit up and move around, especially when it’s really warm you feel like you were in a heat box. So much nicer to have more airflow more room to set up and get dressed, etc. All those TH-cam wood builds do look really cool, but anyone can have it so much better and more simple by following this video.
Very well said No Name! Thank you for sharing your experiences and for all your great perspective!
Oh, and I also discovered that using soft sided storage instead of boxes also makes it much more roomier and easier. I actually ended up buying one of those trunk cargo thingies off of Amazon that are kind of soft sided but have a firm top so you can stack them if you want. They are really helpful and I like them much better than hard plastic bins. Kind of a compromise between hard storage bins and duffel bag- like storage
I lasted 2 nights on my raised sleeping platform.
Totally agree. I just removed my Outbacks backseats and threw a foam mattress down and I’m very happy the be able to sit straight up/have more room
Thanks for sharing!
I built a platform 6 inches tall and only on one side of my suburban because the floor contained raised attachment points for the third seat that would have been very uncomfortable to sleep on. I store things I don't use regularly under the platform such as tools, air pump, etc. I still have plenty of room to sit up without my head touching. Since I'm the only one sleeping in it, there was no need to cover the entire back with the platform. This allows me to sit on the platform with my feet on the lower side as if it is a couch and is rather comfortable. Works great for me!
Thanks for sharing this info Mtn Wanderer. What model year is your Suburban? I have been wondering about post-9th generation models and they ability to fold down completely flat.
@@SuburbanCamping I have a 2011. With the second seat (backs only) folded down, there is a still a height difference there that the bed platform I made accommodates for. There is a moderate step down if I fold the second seat all the way forward. I wish they had made it so that the whole area is flat from the lift gate to the front seat when seats are folded down.
Thanks for the reply. Yes, it is a very nice feature of the 8th and 9th generation to have the whole area flat. I would love to share some information on the 10th generation on my website suburbancamping.com. Would you be willing to share some pictures? I would accredit you for sharing them.
@@SuburbanCamping I could probably do that. Let me know what kind of pictures you are wanting.
Great! Thanks. Just one before and after picture is all I really need. So, one shot what it looks like with seats folded down and one shot of your modification. If you want to also include a shot of how you utilize the space after the modification, that would be great. You can email them to campingsuburban@gmail.com. Thanks so much!
Solid advice! i honestly think platforms make the vehicle less versatile, needlessly complicated and reduces usable space. With this setup, anyone can pretty much go Camping tomorrow!
Thank you James!
I agree with your perspective on how a platform bed can be more of a pain than a benefit. I have an old 4-runner, and built a platform bed. There are a lot of benefits to the drawer system, but after a couple years of use it was honestly nice to not have it. The headspace when sleeping is just too good, especially when the back of my SUV is much smaller than yours. Once I got rid of my platform bed the amount of gear I brought didnt significantly change, and really I ended up with a setup similar to what my grandpa takes when we go hunting. Simple is better sometimes
Great perspective Fibster! Thanks for sharing.
And the difference in weight can be significant.
Different strokes for different folks, I think.
If it works for you, great. Others seem extremely happy with building out the interior of their SUV. Maybe they're willing to sacrifice some storage space (the loss of which I think can be minimizes) for having a permanent layout.
To minimize the hassle for frequent camping, this system seems awesome. For being permanently on the road, I wouldn't prefer it. Some people don't want an RV, due to expense and accessibility issues. An SUV can take you places an RV cannot.
All that said, I like the video. I was sucked into watching several 😅. Lots of food for thought.
Totally agree Orrin! Thanks for the comment.
A cargo/passenger van gives you the best of both worlds IMO.
Ignorance is bliss and most people only follow and copy what is trendy and what they see other people do without really examining their decisions.They might be happy trying cram a house layout inside the back of a mini van but that doesn't mean it's practical or comfortable.
@@BGomez-tk7lu I was trying to point out the relativity and subjective nature of opinions. If you''ve found the best way, more power to you.
@@Un1234l Yes. We have a Hyundai iMax, we removed and gave away the middle row of seats. The permanent tri-fold bed easily transforms the van from a five seater car to a campervan for two. It has carted boxes, rubbish, timber etc. and we have the ability to tow a hired trailer if we need to move bigger items down the track.
We custom built a permanent kitchen box with shelves behind the back seat and it has a 120 x 60cm drop down benchtop with full width support that drops down and sits on the bumper. A tailgate tent permanently fixed inside drops down for privacy...change room, bathroom, toilet room, enclosed kitchen if needed. We also have an awning on both sides of the van. I love the fact that bar the front foot-wells we don't really traipse dirt into the van.
As they say...jettison all but the essentials...a place for everything and everything in it's place...live outside and sleep inside.
To date we've camped as few as two days and traveled seven weeks in 0° to 30+°, windy, rainy, great and I want to go home now days.
Much fun to be had...
Way better than all the “van life, van life, look at me videos”
Thanks Michael!
😂 yes!!
Thanks for taking time to put this together , c
Agree, I'm bowing out of the competition.
I just converted my 2021 Tiguan into a micro camper, and I am planning on travelling the country for a couple of years in it. The most important thing for me when building was being able to sit up straight on the bed, so I also forewent the raised platform. I don't understand how people can comfortable live in those ones that have 2 feet clearance above the bed. I also have my dog with me, so I want him to be comfortable when we are in transit. I simply took out the seats, secured 2 wooden bases to the frame where the seats were attached, and laid some insulated plywood across the top. Cut in some storage access under the platform for all my clothing, since there was a good gap beneath it when I made a level platform, and built a small storage shelf unit on the side of the bed which is more than enough for all my stuff. I have a refrigerator, water, and dry food storage behind the front seats. I can be off-grid for up to 3 weeks at a time.
If you are just going out for a weekend, then the platform might work out, but if you plan to do long term living in the van/suv, then floor level sleeping is a must. Imagine not being able to sit up and read when its raining out, having to lay flat with no clearance.
Thank you for the comment Arthur. So glad to hear you are making a go of it in your Tiguan. Very impressed by your long-term commitment. Would love to see pictures of your setup!
I agree, the raised beds never appealed to me. There's a video out there of a young lady in her minivan I think. She slept on the floor and had storage down one side and "facilities" (kitchen, etc) down the other. She's the only one I've seen do **that**. I've got the usual bed down one side on the floor (SUV) and stuff down the other (would really like a bit more space down the middle). I envied her set-up. I guess it wouldn't work if one was claustrophobic, or if travelling with someone else, but she really had a good thing there.
Was about to build a platform. I’m glad I came across your video before building. Thanks for all the tips.
You are welcome! Thanks for the positive comments!
Only thing I personally agree with you is on the worthless "platform" idea.
I have watched three videos before this and was thinking . . . why platforms. So I agree. I did one 2000 mile trip from Texas to upstate Ny with my bottom sofa cushions for a bed. So comfortable and couldn't imagine losing the head space. Great video. Many ideas for storage so thanks.
You are welcome Doris. Thanks for taking the time to comment and share info.
You're the second video I've seen talking about the raised platform for a bed. Glad I heard you two out because now I'm seriously considering not raising my sleep platform.
Thanks again!
You are welcome NeonSuspenders! Thanks for the comment.
This is probably the best car camping video I've seen on you tube.Thank you for sharing.
I agree. I'm not interested in seeing everything you've packed in your vehicle, I want to see how you packed everything in your vehicle. and any new helpful hints and products.
Thank you so much!
100% agree on the no raised platform, ever! Originally did that to my 06 4Runner to live out of for a ski season and hated it. Not being able to sit up and move around in your own bed is pretty annoying and demoralizing. Especially when full timing it. Went to a small 1/3 table behind single back seat and so much head room now. Full inside cooking capabilities now too on a simple 2 burner propane. A couple deep cycle batteries/solar, a cushy mattress, and it’s full a full on micro camper with some great off-road chops. SUV builds are cool.
Well done Gabriel. Thanks for sharing your setup info and love that you full-timed it for a ski season!
Gabriel, what is a 1/3 table, might I ask? Are you utilizing a 60/40 split rear seat with one seat up and the other down, or is this a type table that would level the area behind the rear seat? The seats in my Rav4 don't fold completely flat either.
I have spent hundreds of hours watching videos on how to camp or live in a sub since I have always wanted to do the road trip from Mexico City to Yellostone. Like you, I love watching the videos of people who make a thousand adaptations to their truck, platforms and more. The trip is not cheap at all due to fuel, a little more than $1,000 USD plus the necessary equipment. It NEVER occurred to me to make it as simple as you, really "keep it simple" is the best, economical and at the end of the trip, my truck remains the same (Jeep Liberty KK Sport 4x4). Goodbye to platforms. Thank you so much.
You are welcome! Good luck on your trip!
I have thought the same exact thing about a bed platform! I like being able to move around. I do not like the idea of no sit-up space. Otherwise, I feel claustrophobic! I am only 5ft tall too. 🤣 one thing I do have is a hitch basket. It allows me to be ready for anything as well as my rooftop waterproof carrier "bag".
Awesome! Thanks for the comment and sharing your preferences, along with the gear you utilize.
One of the best explanations for us budding car campers that I've seen. Well done!
Thank you very much Jim!
Never seen your channel before but it's amazing how similar my own camping arrangements are in my 06 Toyota Sequoia! I'm 100% with you in preferring no build because it's heavy, harder to install/load, and limits headroom. I use various sleeping pads on my flat floor (complete with carpet remnants and extra mats underneath) and all my dedicated camping stuff is in bins. I use my rig as a daily driver and when I want to go on a little adventure, I can just toss it all inside and take off. Like you I also use a small level and put a wheel up onto my recovery boards if necessary. I also made magnet bug screens for myself.
Thanks StutzBob! Glad to know we arrived in the same place!
This is the best informational video on YT. Thank you. I was conflicted about the bin/ tote size and then this video appeared. Thanks again
Thank you La Lilith! I appreciate you taking the time to say this.
After searching for well over a year on the best tutorial that’s suited for my liking, I am SO GRATEFUL to have stumbled across this video and your channel! We think alike in a lot of ways - being prepared for anything, for one. I appreciate your checklist & organization tactics for the bins! New subscriber here looking forward to watching more of your content!
Thanks Nicole. I appreciate you taking the time to provide all this positive feedback. And thanks for subscribing!
I've slept without a raised platform and the difference in air is noticeable and even impeads sleep. I think the biggest reason people raise the platform is to avoid this problem and raise the quality of sleep. If you do the setup correctly you can have a single raised bed with a ton of storage underneath and a lounge area for hanging out with head room.
Thanks Camp'n Outdoors. I believe you are referring to the fact that sleeping at window level provides better airflow and I can see that. Yes, there are ways to do a platform and still maximize space, and I think a one-sided platform would do just that.
Only if you're alone. With 2, that's impossible
Great suggestions. Of course I think so because I concluded the same thing… build flat not a platform. With a Subaru Outback, headspace was at a premium & I wasn’t giving that up! I see folks build a platform in an Outback then add a 6” mattress, and the result is worse claustrophobia than getting an MRI!! I think your advice is especially important for seniors with less mobility. They watch all the TH-cam videos of twenty somethings builds & don’t take into consideration how they’re going to climb into the tower they’ve created. Much needed advice. Plus my vehicle is always ready for a family drive etc…because I haven’t permanently altered its functionality. Keep it simple.
Thanks Johanna! I appreciate the comment and the info you shared. I am getting older and need all the room I can get to maneuver my way out the passenger door!
lol...im 63 and will be building mine in summer of 2022 Never used a jigsaw before but no harm in trying...have no issues getting up the back of my f150 pickup.
I agree if you are camping with your vehicle but looking back to when I was living in one I would have gotten burn out quick just knowing every stop I made (every week or two all year round) I had to unload and start going through all those crates for everything I need then the loading and unloading every time. No thanks.. Perfectly reasonable for just camping though..
Thanks for this perspective
100% spot on regards the raised platform, i never even considered it for my zafira, leaves way more space 😊👍
Thanks!
Nice. I've watched at least half a dozen of these videos this morning and yours is the first to actually address what I consider to be one of the most troubling issues with sleeping in your vehicle: temperature control and ventilation. Anyone can sleep in their car. It takes significant thought not to wake up with yourself and the interior of the vehicle dripping in condensation or covered in mosquito bites. And summer temperatures are much more difficult to handle than winter, as you can always add insulation when you're cold. Unfortunately, the vast majority of camping is done outside of the winter months.
Thanks for the positive feedback!
We had a 2002 Burbie - same color as yours. Loved that thing into the ground! Best car ever. We're in the market for another. Thanks for sharing these tips.
You are welcome Chanda! Good luck with your search!
Great video! I really appreciate the focus on safety and prevention of loose items that can become "missiles" if you have to stop quickly. I met a family whilst working at a counseling center that experienced the worst imaginable cargo shift projectile missiles when a forced sudden stop vaulted a sewing machine from the back hitting the mother in the back of the head, she died instantly, several children also injured... ALWAYS secure everything that can "move" during a sudden stop!!
Thank you! And thanks for sharing this story - very tragic, but drives the point home.
I've watched a ton of these SUV camper conversion videos and this one is the best. You're so right - headroom is super important to maximize comfort. I'm also against all of the wood builds people use. Nice, but ultimately impractical and heavy. Rounded edge storage bins are a lot more forgiving to your shins and other body parts in a tight space. I'm going to look at outdoor rugs tomorrow. That was a great idea. Now, just need to find the right mattress.
Thanks Allen. I appreciate you taking the time to share your insights. Here is a video on the mattress I use: th-cam.com/video/szq6waheGfc/w-d-xo.html
It's not a camper. It's just hauling stuff to the campsite and setting up a camp.
Hello, I'm new to your channel. You're the only one here on YT that uses good common sense. I've been truck camping off & on since the 80's. Were you in the military? In the military we used to label storage units & secure them the same way as you did. I found out that if you use splash guards this will help keep your rig clean, also if use wasp & hornet spray on & around your tires & all points of contact on the ground to keep unwanted critters out. Thanks for the useful tips, drive safe. 🤠🤠
Thank you so much. I appreciate the positive feedback and tips - love the wasp spray idea! I was not in the military - just an organized person with a bit of OCD!
Incredible amount of useful information. I’ll need to watch this a few times and check out your other videos. Thank you !
You are welcome Richard! Thanks for the positive comment!
Check out his website! It's all there in b&w.
Good Job, ...I have been cruizing the 'camping' TH-camrs and have come up with you finally
...I too do it the way you do (but I use a Cargo Van ...the electric couch comes out (if need be) and I keep several businesses in a storage unit (Detail, Mechanic, Carpet Cleaning, Food Truk, ...mostly I ride open houses (R/E agant since 1987) ...I find the Cargo Van useful when I get a BTS-Build to Suit job
...anyway your video was very well done (I also 'shoot' properties and do Drone Weddings
...when I actually go camping in the wild blue yonder, I carry several weapons from Compound Bow to 44 cal. and 3006 variety (Bears, Wolves...)
#INTERESTINGTIMES
Thanks so much! Sounds like you are dialed in!
So agree on NOT making a raised platform! I'd store stuff on the sides and under the seats instead.
Thank you Denny!
After camping in my suburban on and off for 8 yrs now, I have a short 12" tall platform that is in the back part and I still use the backseats, the platform has two slides that i made and is tied down securely, I have the barn doors so a small tarp and I have my kitchen area , I'm 6'4" 280 so I take up a lot of space inside but my 2nd wife and I Ioved to camp in it. She's passed away now but I am still camping in it
Thanks for sharing this Carl.
There's a lot of great information here! You just confirmed my thoughts on building a platform. Thanks for posting this!
You are welcome. Thanks for commenting!
I'll gladly listen to this advice. I spent 6 months living out of a Pontiac vibe and the one thing that bothered me more than anything else was lack of headroom!
Thank you Hannah!
This actually makes sense. Most of us aren't living in our vehicles, and are car camping on the weekends and/or a week or so at a time. How much stuff to you really need to travel comfortably?
Thanks for the comment JB. I am typically going out on 3 to 5 day trips and I like the flexibility of being able to bring a little or a lot of stuff!
BEST EVER ADVICE! Totally agree with the no platform advice. Im moving from a Renault Trafic to an SUV and the importance of head room is paramount yet everyone else saying bed platform best! THANK YOU!
You are welcome and thank you!
I did the raised platform and it's a terrible thing. Couldn't sit up. Hard to get in and out of. I took out my seats and built a platform that was level with the seat so I actually added storage. I'm still learning what works but you are so correct on platforms.
Thank you for the comment and info. It is a process to get dialed in and I find I am always tweaking, which is part of the fun!
I agree with you, in theory, about not having a raised platform, especially for the newer SUV's. But some of the older ones, like your Suburban, and even my 2003 Rendezvous have more than room to utilize a raised platform, and STILL have room to sit up comfortably without your head hitting the ceiling. I had a 9" high raised platform that was the width of my cot air mattress (23" wide), constructed with 2x2s to give it an open frame to access all my tools underneath, and also had hinges on the 3/4" plywood on top that could be lifted easily, even with the cot air mattress, a 4" memory foam topper and my bedding on it, to remove our put back items that wouldn't fit through the framing. It was the perfect solution for me.
My Rendezvous had a little over 100 cu. ft. of cargo space with the 2nd row seats out (48"W x 78"L x 48" H). And I'm not short, 5' 8" tall.
Sounds like a great setup!
Great video for someone like me who is starting to research van conversions, and I do believe you deserve a lot more subs mate
Thank you Gyrotex! I appreciate you taking the time to say that.
I am all for keep it simple.
Many of these van conversions seem to be competitions.
Alot depends on whether you have a home base or whether this will be a home base....
But yeah, as a senior female, not techy, I will be giving this a shot in the simplest manner.....beginning with what I have .... My Murano.
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Thanks and good luck!
I love watching this video. 😍 I've seen it a Million times and it opened my eyes to the benefits of a no build. With the bins, you have plenty of storage, and by moving them around you can open up the space in the van. Like you said, you can sit, lounge and lay. This video has also got me thinking that I can live in a Minivan. 🚗
Thanks so much Nelson! I appreciate all the views and the positive feedback!
I camp in my Yukon xl. It is built out. All rear seats removed. You are 100% right about head room and a permanent sleeping area and keeping warm. I camp alone. My sleeping area is 30 inches wide with full height. A raised cabinet around 15 inches tall and 18 wide on the drivers side buts into a full height cabinet. With the seats removed there is a step down that allows me to sit up with my feet lowered like a chair. As I sit there i am facing my dc refrigerator.The full height cabinet has 3 inch shelves on the inside. Open the drivers rear door and there is a huge storage area. At the base under the cabinet I have my electronics. Agm battery, solar controller, inverter and fuse panel. On the roof 2 100 watt panels and a 4x4 roof rack surrounded by 4 inch drain pipe with valves and pressure. Holds 10 gallons of water 24” wide screen tv, DVD player. The best feature is mounted behind the drivers seat…the diesel heater. Oh almost forgot to mention cooking. The floor is 3/4 plywood sitting on 3/4 strips allowing a 1/2 inch piece of birch to slide out a be supported by the cargo carrier. I drilled 2 6 inch holes and drop in 2 of those propane stand up burners that screw onto the 1lb cylinders so they are flush. Seen many of these builds on TH-cam and there is nothing I would change about mine. Last year I started pulling a pop up camper. Spent the last 3 winters 3- 4 months camping out in Arizona as the winter is pretty cold here in Idaho. Thanks for the video. I liked it. A sleeping platform with drawers ruins the car for anything but sleeping imho.
Thanks for sharing all of this Plattapuss! Sound like an amazing setup!
We have a 2013 Suburban. We took out the back seats and put in a plywood board that we had padded and carpeted. It is completely flat on the floor with no platform. We sleep on foam pads. Sleeps great!
Well done Linda! I appreciate you sharing information on a newer generation Suburban. It does require some modification and sounds like you nailed it! Happy camping!
I use the same storage bins. Good stuff
Gotta love them!
It’s a bit of a challenge to flatten my 2021 CR-V, but I managed to do it and my grandson and I enjoyed great car camping a couple of weeks ago. We just placed all the bins on the front seats and floors and had the whole back to sleep on. The whole platform thing is not necessary unless you live in your vehicle I suppose.
Well done Ruth! Thanks for sharing this info.
Ok this may be one of the best videos I've ever seen on SUV camping
Thanks Kamping Logik! I appreciate you taking the time to say that!
Your timing for this video was perfect for me. I've been struggling with the built in storage concepts but recently (2 weeks ago) decided to go with collapsible storage boxes for now. I just couldn't see sacrificing the headroom. Also, I recently had to replace the speed control for the rear AC fan which required removing the inner right rear fender cover. This would require removing any built in storage.
Lately I've been solo camping using my suburban for sleeping. I've done this before but never had a "system". I just bought leveling ramps (I didn't like the blocks) and used them for thd first time 3 weeks ago. What a difference sleeping level makes. Also finally bought a very comfortable air mattress (REI MegaMat 15 - pricy but way comfy).
I like the collapsible boxes because they store better when empty. I use them for dry food, clothes, and misc gear. I might invest in some hard storage boxes in the future.
Thx for the video.
Thanks for the comment RJM! Glad the timing was good for you. And thanks for the feedback and ideas - all very helpful!
this is the simplest (and probably cheapest), no nonesense, idea about suv and camping. thanks!
You are welcome. Thanks for the positive feedback!
I looked into a platform build when I created a temporary conversion for my Subaru Forester, but there just isn't enough headroom, especially if you're 6'2". I did however have to do a slight buildup, because there's a 3 1/2" slope from the front of the Forester cargo area and the back when the rear seats are down. I simply added a couple of pieces of wood at the back, just enough to level a 40" x 64" sheet of 3/4" plywood. I then placed a 24" x 60" board on top of that and covered the entire area with a rug. The reason for the 24" x 60" board is when the tailgate is open, I can pull it out a couple feet to use as a table. When I want to sleep, I place the front passenger seat forward and upright, then push the 24" x 60" board forward which extends my sleep area by an additional foot, giving roughly 75". That 3 1/2" build up at the tailgate isn't much, I usually don't use it, but I could store a couple small items like my hiking poles, maybe some water bottles...., but I normally ignore it, it's simply there to create a flat surface.
Thanks for all this info David. Sounds like a great setup. I hope other Forester owners see this post!
I'm trying to visualize this. What do you use to support the board that is up against the front seat?
@@shea4615 I'm assuming the board you're talking about is the 24" x 60" one that I extend forward to increase the sleeping area. Nothing supports it. When I slide the board forward, it's only extends about 14 inches. The rest of the board is under the carpet, the weight of the carpet/board acts as a counterweight. When I lay down most of my body weight is then holding it in place. When I pull it out the back to use as a table, again the weight of the carpet is acting as a counter weight to hold the board up. When using it as I table, I just have to be careful how far I pull it out and how much weight I put on it. This is the reason why I use should a long piece of wood (60"), so the majority of the board acts as a counterweight.. If I need to pull it out further as a table, I can always place my 7 gallon (42 pounds) water jug on the board on the inside to act as additional counterweight. I hope this helps.
Huzzah, I was beginning to think I was only person that valued headroom and did away with the platform notion. A foam wedge makes it easy to level the mattress and only costs a few bucks, so only need to level the car, which I rarely need to do. And kudos for emphasising importance to tie down items. Some of the builds on TH-cam would be insanely dangerous in an accident.
Thank you Brian. I appreciate all the positive comments and points.
I went to your website. Awesome resource! I downloaded your packing list and will modify it to suit my Jeep Commander platform. This is exactly what I've been looking for from someone who already has it figured out. It's so in line with what I've been imagining. THANKS 👍
Thanks Eugene! I appreciate you taking the time to say all that. Glad you found it all useful.
Thank you for that very interesting advice.
You are welcome. Thanks for the comment!
I’ve done a lot of backcountry camping and I rarely have a completely level place to set my tent. Having my head slightly above my feet has never bothered me. I have the same situation in my SUV.
Good to know Todd. Thanks for sharing this.
well you kinda have to build a raised plattform if the bottom is super uneven after taking the seats out.
Agree!
Great vid. Thanks for the tips! I've been using my minivan for long road trips for several years. But now I live where there's a lot of snow, and I also find myself wanting more flexibility with the terrain I drive over on road trips. So I'm considering switching to an SUV. I am with you on wanting to be able to sit up straight in the back! I'm so glad I found your vid. All the other vids I've seen so far tell you to build a platform. No thank you! I like your idea much better. Happy trails!
Thanks Oh Jeez Mom (Love the name!). Happy trails and camping to you!
You are absolutely right about the head room being the most important!
Thanks Vicki!
Just saw this video today. I absolutely agree with your point: 'do not build a high sleep platform'. We do some camping in National Parks in good weather but not too many days each time. What I did is to took off the back seats and install a piece board in their place to give me a 6 foot complete flat surface. I used 4 inch thick foam for the bed. I also build a platform in the back side of the SUV where I can store a lot of stuff on top of it. We can sit up very comfortably in the front portion and the lady is able to pee in a jar inside of the vehicle. I am always wondering those ladies have the high sleeping platforms as how to solve this problem. When sleeping, we got enough space for bending knees, only stick out feet underneath the rear end platform. I also use a hitch mount carrier to carry two of those Costco boxes which contains all the camping stuff. Front seats can be used for storing clothing and other personal items during night time. I do secure the rear platform and the stuff on top of it. We are packing light and only do camping in good weather and in national parks or state parks.
Sounds like a great setup! Thanks for sharing.
I made a raised bed in my SUV, but it's narrow and only takes up about half the width of my cargo area. I can still haul gear floor-to-ceiling on the other side of the cargo area from my bed, and I store items under the raised bed. Granted, I'm not hauling a canopy or full-sized camp kitchen, just basic backpacking type equipment so I don't have the need for the extra hauling space.
I suppose it's a bit of a hybrid between the full-size raised beds and no raised bed at all.
Well done! Thanks for sharing this.
Hey buddy, I appreciate your thorough,articulate, and intelligible videos. I've watched almost all of yours. I'm preparing for my 2nd summer stealth/urban camping. I work as a passenger vessel captain in the summers. I was in my 2004 Subaru Forester last summer in brutal heat at night, at southeast sea level. It sucked. I'm upgrading this summer. My Sunroof and USB rechargeable fans survived me. It sucks trying to change pants in the driver's seat of my car, hiding in a parking lot 😂 Please keep uploading! I have a request, please make a video about the "standing" (sitting-down) head room in a suburban vs a normal old Ford cargo work van; I won't ask you to demonstrate changing your pants LOL 😂 ✌ Great videos, thanks again. James
Hello James! Thank you so much for the positive feedback. Thorough, articulate, and intelligible are my main goals for the channel! With regard to head room, I will capture that in a future video. In the meantime, if you need any specific info such as that, please ask, and I am happy to provide it. Yes, changing pants inside can be a challenge for sure!
Truer and more sensible words have never been spoken.
Thanks you Mike!
Simple, cheap and practical! A winner - but stuff is stacked too high to see out the windows. Other than that, a fantastic idea.
Thanks for the comment Denny! I am usually able to see out the back while driving, and when I camp, I will move bins up front so I can see out the windows in the back. Also, I usually only need to have one stack of three-high bins, but in the picture I shared, I was camping, skiing, and fishing, so I had a a lot of gear!
In the sea of insanely overpriced roof top tents crazy interior build outs, its bougie bougie to rich for my strict budget, I find your video and it’s practical common sense approach to gear storage and sleeping arrangements very refreshing and achievable on even the most modest of budgets.
Thank you for taking the time to say this! I appreciate it!
Thanks for conformation on my decision to take out the small wooden platform I had in my car. I have a Coleman mattress pad and a 4 in memory foam mattress that is very comfy. I am hoping to free up space in my SUV.
You are welcome Daphne. Thanks for the comment!
I watched this video a couple years ago right after we got our 86 suburban. I'm glad I did. I had in my mind to build a bed box with drawers cuz that's what you do. After watching this video we decided to wait and see and we decided we didn't need it. Great video, great advice.
Thank you so much! Would love to see your 86 burb!
Great points on the platforming. Always thought alot of those where overkill. Thanks again!
Thanks for the comment Z Rex. You are very welcome.
Probably a lot of the videos that talk about platform builds are for smaller SUVs that don't have a flat surface like your large SUV does. I bought 2x8 plywood and had it cut down to fit the length of my Rav4 with the back seat down and added 6" furniture legs on one end to get a flat surface. It does definitely impact the headroom, but I can sit up with my head just barely touching the roof. I liked your idea of the step risers for the tires to create a flat surface on uneven terrain. Thanks for sharing your tips.
You are welcome and thank you for sharing info on your setup. Fully recognize platforms may be needed, just trying to give folks pause, and make the point that it should not always be option 1.
Great video and some good ideas. I also don't want a build out so I can retain versatility when carting kids rather than camping gear, however folded flat my rear seats are raised a few inches. I might try a board with just enough of a support to make it level and avoid the under bed storage issue. I also use the same model boxes and the roof rack ideas. I have designed a simple frame using conduit for a tarp awning which I can drive up to or away from and use to cover the kitchen but for now I will continue draping a tarp over the tailgate. Looking forward to watching more of your videos.
Thanks for the positive comments and for sharing info about your setup!
I’m fortunate I’m short and sit on my armrest and I can sit fully upright. I have a Ford Explorer ST. I push my driver seat all the way forward (programmed press a button) and at night if I need to go potty there’s plenty of room. I sleep with my head at the back of the vehicle for ease of getting in and out of the vehicle. I have a small platform so I can slide my kitchen stuff under the sleeping space. I use a plastic shelving system as a platform to sleep on… I Love it. For cooking I keep it simple. I bought a cook stove and have never used it. .a waste of money that one. I use a perfect cooker, egg cooker, hot water boiling (3 cups) and an electric lunch box..I put in my steak or chicken pieces, plug it it while driving and 4 hours later when I’m hungry it’s ready to eat. I can cook 10oz of steak in that thing. And have enough for a couple of days. This is making me want to hit the road again.
Sounds like a great setup!
Great information, thank you for sharing! I definitely agree with the no-build style. I like being able to sit up, so I am setting up a similar style shown in this video in my older 4Runner. Would be nice to have the storage that the Suburban does, but I will make it work!
Thank you Jeremy. Good luck with your setup and happy camping!
I scratched off bed platform a while back. After going both ways on two separate camping trips i discovered i really enjoy more headroom. While a platform does have it's advantages it's mostly a matter of personal preference.
Thanks for sharing this Sarah!
Thanks for this video. It’s supportive of my thoughts on the matter. Because I was never going to build a raised platform for my suv or minivan. If I get a high roof van..maybe. But even then issa maybe.
Thanks for the comment Kbeautician! Good luck with your conversion.
I'm with you. I have a Ford Ranger with a canopy and I've avoided building sleeping platforms or other structures inside the bed of my truck. Instead, I use a twin-sized air mattress (with built in foot pump) to sleep on. It fits perfectly in between the wheel wells inside the bed of the truck. When not in use, the air mattress packs down quite small which makes for more room to pack other things. Also, because I do some bush-whacking, I haven't mounted one of those expensive awnings to the roof of my canopy where it can be damaged by tree branches, etc. Instead, I just use some tarps that I attach to the roof of the canopy and cab with suction cup and extend them out to extension poles. If there's no picnic table where I'm camping, I have a 6 foot folding table that I put under the tarp. If there is a picnic table where I'm camping, and if I'm camping with other people, I'll bring my 12'x12' Eureka waterproof screenhouse to place over the picnic table.
Sounds like a great setup! Thank you for sharing!
Great! I have a 04 GMC Yukon XL and I love it. I call it the “mule!” It hauls so much gear. Can you share what you’re running on your hitch and on the roof for storage?
Hello Por Vida. Thanks for the comment. Here is a link to the page on my website that provides details on the gear I am running. www.suburbancamping.com/suv-gear
I see that too,I’m not doing a platform😩I’m taking the floor and utilizing all of it! Thank you for your input ,I appreciate it
You are welcome Ida. Thanks for the comments.
I learned plenty! Thank you so much for sharing, you have no idea how much you just helped me. Subscribed 🤗😊
You are welcome Michelle. Thank for the comment and the sub!
You’re right. I built a platform so I’d have storage and there’s no headroom so it’s all but impossible to be comfortable. I’ll be renovating.
Thanks for sharing this Ed!
I agree I refuse to build a platform bed. Everyone keeps asking me when I'm going to build the platform bed. I say never. I think it takes away space just like you're stating
Thanks for the comment!
The first minute of this video is what i needed to hear, thank you
You are welcome!
I tried a raised platform for my Forester b/c I though I needed it for the height difference due to the seats not being able to fold flat. It wasn't the worst thing but as stated by others, I didn't love the headspace and it was bulky and heavy if I needed to remove it to access the spare tire compartment. I realized that I don't mind the 3/5" height difference since I sleep on my back it kind of acts as a support. I also use a cheap plastic 3 drawer systems to store most of my kitchen & misc items. Seems to work well enough for the amount of camping I do.
Thanks for sharing this info Shea!
I’ve been looking at all these build outs and I see more headaches than it’s worth. Loss of flexibility seems to be another thing with rigid builds. External storage is a great idea. Thanks for all the good info.
You are welcome and glad you found it useful.
So sensible! This canopy idea is one I had... great to see this IRL. Also the protective net for the front and securing the load.
Interlocking bins sensible.
Thank you so much!
In suggesting that people get an RV you clearly showed that you have completely missed the purpose of of why people convert vehicles to campers.
This may be useful for your occasional weekend camper but there is absolutely nothing useful in here for the majority of people who are converting vehicles.
I appreciate your comment. I encourage you to check out the rest of the videos on my channel and hope you will find some useful information for converting vehicles to campers. Please keep in mind, the whole idea of the approach is a no-build conversion with no permanent modifications, so the vehicle can still be used as it was originally designed.
I watched a lot of videos of SUV camp but never came across someone carrying so much stuff. You don't need an RV sir 😉. Love the set up keep going
Thanks Parth! Will do!
Nothing camper about your build lol. You're car camping and sleeping in your vehicle nothing more. That's the same as throwing a sleeping bag in an enclosed cargo trailer and calling it a travel trailer lol.
Well, I suppose that is one way of looking at it!
I think the point was, if you’re in a suv, it doesn’t need a build.
You do a build in a van or a minivan. An SUV is more or less already a camper. Fold the back seats down, throw in the foam mattress and a sleeping bag, instant shelter.
There's always one, and your it.
I lived in a minivan for 10 years....He is correct. If you have your bed on the bottom, it gives you room to sit on it and do things during the day. You can also put extra stuff on top of it and then move it off to sleep.
Thanks for sharing! 10 years is impressive!
I am loving your no-nonsense approach!
Thank you so much!
I think the platform is totally a personal choice. For me personally I would prefer under the bed storage.
I agree!
I agree bigtime about the raised platforms not being effecient, no headroom, etc. Better to keep bed surface flat as possible use storage tubs for gear, that can stay outside at night if necessary.
Thanks David. I appreciate the feedback!
REALLY like your philosophy about camping in general (well, like most folks, I like it because I agree wholeheartedly with it! Grins.). The idea of camping is to BE OUTDOORS! So, my intention in the brief one and two night fishing trips in Colorado is to use my Highlander mostly for sleeping and shelter in the worst of weather, but to be outside as much as possible the rest of the time. And, like you have presented so well here, it allow for Keeping It Simple! Thanks!
Thank you so much! Good luck with your fishing!