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- Per request of Ryan Muckenhirn, we sat down for 10 minutes to show a little love to the .243 Winchester - The 6mm before the 6mm was cool. This nifty little cartridge is very versatile and it would seem that in recent years it’s become somewhat forgotten, perhaps incorrectly so. What are your thoughts on the SAE 6mm? What other calibers do you think deserve a little 10 minutes of love? We’d love to get your thoughts.
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If you read enough hunting magazines you will notice a trend: when the authors or their hunting partners are bringing along a youngster on his first hunt they often equip him with a rifle chambered in .243 Win. while they use a .300 Win Mag, a 7mm Rem. Mag or something similar. I have often wondered: if the .243 Win. is good enough for an adolescent to get a deer, why does the author think he needs a magnum? Also, the .243 Win. has outlasted a lot of similar calibers and I suspect will continue to do so in the future.
That is a super excellent question. Growing up, I did not get to hunt but knew some fellas in school who hunted with a .243. Like you said, it was considered a "junior" rifle. When you grow up and get hair on your chest, maybe you can shoot a magnum caliber or at least a long action, like .30-06. Well, if the .243 Win was adequate enough for a youngster to harvest a deer, how does it lose its power and effectiveness when you reach the age of voter eligibility? I think it is one of those "manly" things that doesn't make sense.
Another youtuber, deermeatfordinner, brought down a mule deer with a 6.5 Creedmoor. It took two shots. I think, because it was dusk and the beast was quartering a way.
And having a shoulder slammer cartridge does not guarantee a fast drop. There is a video of Ron Spomer shooting a Mossberg Patriot 7 mm Rem Mag (probably 200 or 220 grain) and it took 3 shots to make that bull elk drop. The were on a flat hill top and the beast was going to get away.
Some tell me that I am underpowered for hunting whitetail with my .308 Win. That I should be shooting a .300 Win Mag. Some may tell me I am underpowered for hunting feral hog with my 5.56.
But you hit the nail on the head. The cartridge doesn't lose effective just because the shooter is now able to legally join the military and sign a binding contract. Humans are funny people.
I will keep hunting with my .308. I just like that cartridge and all of my rifles except the M4A3 are in .308. I am comfortable with it and know what to expect. In fact, I am going to get even more comfortable with it and put on muzzle brakes. In the woods, there is no one right next to me to say "Damn, that's loud!" At the range, most everyone is already using a muzzle brake. Or suppressor.
@@ronws2007 I've always been a .308 guy. Started with it growing up, still works great. Most hunters can't shoot good enough to get the added range from the magnums anyways.
@@andyd2960 That is quite a possibility. Not just how to handle magnums but also how to shoot far enough that the reach would be helped. The few people, such as Ron Spomer and that kid from Gunwerks who got an elk at 1300 with a 7 mm Rem Mag, he regularly practiced to over 1000 yards. So, that kid had the skill. Spomer had the reflexes to keep firing and track the movement while firing.
I have been reading "The Art of the Rifle" by Jeff Cooper. The technical details are great but what is also helpful is the philosophy. This is the Jeff Cooper who taught Marine snipers and inspired the scout sniper rifle in the configuration many know it for, with the forward mounted scope. If can move closer, move closer. Don't shoot so far just to show. Definitely hunt within the range of your abilities and location. Where I hunt on public land, most shots will be 50 yards. So, if I can stand or rest on a branch or my tripod and shoot with no more than half an inch drift (which is 1 MOA at 100 yards, then I am effective.
In fact, that is why I will zero at 100 instead of a PBR of 25 - 270. I would rather dial my scope up .5 MOA and be dead on, not just somewhere in the ballpark. Aim small, miss small.
@@ronws2007 that's some great information. I have personally never fired a shot at game past 200yards. Where I hunt, 50 yards is probably the average for deer. I'll have to get that book. Kinda in my wheelhouse I'm trying to get ready for some kind of shooting competition next year.
@@andyd2960 I live in northeast Texas, so everything here looks like a primeval forest. However, over near Amarillo is the Cap Rock Canyon WMA and the state has a raffle to win a hunt there for mule deer. The information for that hunt warns you to expect snow and ice and adverse conditions (the high desert.) And making shots at least 200 yards (not a lot of foliage to cover you, so you need to shoot from a distance.) So, then, it becomes important to get some time in at a long range and I finally found one less than two hours away from me. About 40 minutes outside of Dallas in Kaufman County. They go out to a mile. But you have to test for that distance by hitting at least twice at 700 yards.
Enjoying the talks. Have you covered the under appreciated 7mm-08
I've used the 243 for about 15 years and am very impressed with it. I have shot many deer with one and even a black bear, but many praire dogs, foxes, and even shot PRS with one. I reload and tried the longer bullets, but in my factory Savage rifle, with a 9.5 rifle twist, could not stabilize bullets heavier bullets. I used Berger 95 grain for hunting and targets, heavier than that in a boateail design, just dosent work. When i rebarrel my main rifle, it will have a fast twist to get those long heavy for caliber bullets stabilize. My 6mm Creedmore has a fast 7.7 in twist for those long bullets and it shoots them great.
Load up some 58g V-Max and you can make the 243 scream just shy of 4000fps
243 is bad ass
10 minute talks are great.
You’re making me really kinda want one now 😂😂😂
I have a Ruger M77 Varmint in .243 Winchester that never fails to put the meat on the table when I do my part. This was my only rifle for several years and I killed a lot of deer and coyotes with it. I have killed pigs with it as well but, always settled on a head or neck shot on them because I worried about the lighter bullet not having the mass to get through the shoulders of a large pig. As the years have passed, I have bought more powerful rifles but I don’t have the confidence on target with them as I do that old Ruger.
BLR with .243 sweet!!!
My last deer kill was with my .243, it dropped right where I sat it. I love my .243!
I wish you would have touched on / explained twist rates pertaining to the.243. My T/C Compass (1:14) loves Nosler 95 grBT but hates the Berger 95 gr HP, the latter requiring 1:9 or quicker. ?
Very interesting chat session!
So if ones never used either a .243 or 6mm Creedmoor before which should one get?
Please do one on 338 Federal.
I bought my rem 700 243 when I was 13, it was the only centerfire rifle I owned for 20 years. Between my brother, and myself it's put down 40+ mule deer, 2 cow elk, a dozen javelina, countless predators and smaller game. I know what you're thinking.... Way too small for elk, both were taken with 1 shot at less than 100yds. Both dropped in their tracks like they were struck by Thor's hammer. When it's the only tool in your box, you learn to use it, and use it well. Like they said, shot placement is everything.
Fear the man with one gun
Isn't it interesting what can be accomplished by a competent marksman and a "Youth Gun" haha, Good Hunting!
Def !
The .243 Winchester 95 grain Ballistic Silvertip cartridge drops deer and antelope in their tracks! The Hornady Superformance 58 grain V-Max also drops coyotes like a ton of bricks! The .243 is a flat shooting, super accurate, economical, readily available and very versatile cartridge.
@@lcjjr.6714 Yes it is... My ol' rifle shoots lights out with 100gr corelokts and 100gr American Whitetail interlocks straight outta the box. I've been hand loading for years and to this day don't reload for that gun.
I've heard people call 243 a girls gun or a starter gun and the same people go out and buy a AR 15 in the 223 and call it a man's gun
My grandmother was one of the best hunters I have ever seen. Deer, elk, bear, cougars…. You name it she dropped it. In all her years and through all her game, she only used one rifle and swore by the cartridge, the .243. Now my oldest daughter carries her rifle, I swear she is my grandmother reincarnated. I’ve never really used the .243 so I can’t say if it’s the rifle, cartridge or lady, but holy cow, I’ve seen some wild shots come from them.
Recoil is easy to manage and almost no need to adjust elevation under 300yds. The .243 holds a place in my heart and has my respect.
Wow what years did she hunt in?
The 270 Winchester, overall is a better cartridge then the 243 Winchester. Anyone that complains about a 270’s recoil should be laughed at, been shooting one since I was 11 years old and I’ve killed many, many mule deer with it .
@@cannabislife1688 Nope. The 270 has a bigger bullet and more powder, not more performance. The 243 has a slightly higher ballistic coefficient at every range than the 270. Try again. I own both, and I hand load all my own ammo. The 243 will kill anything the 270 will. 243 will reliably snap deer necks with headshots all day long.
@@twistedpixel2558 the 270 Win objectively has more Kinetic energy, thus having more performance over the 243 Win. “ I own both and load all my own ammo “ I couldn’t care less that’s your anecdotal experience.
@cannabislife1688 It's not anecdotal experience numbskull. You can look up the manufacturers rated loadings and performance for yourself. More power doesn't equate to a better shot, accuracy does though.
I got my first ever rifle last month , I just got into hunting and I had to go with that 243 win , it's fantastic
Congrats on getting into hunting! Practice as much as you can in as many field positions as you can and good luck!
@jay marin I've just purchased my first deer rifle Remington 700 243. I hope to bless myself with great meat soon
It’s a great cartridge… works great on mule deer
Keep it forever
Such a shame that this like every calibre discussion these days has to be corrupted by mentioning the 6.5 man bun.
hahahah...well said.
I hear this all the time chicks with dicks 6.5 cartridge
I've gotten along perfectly fine for 65 years without a 6 point 5 ( or .270) in my arsenal
I find it a bigger shame that people feel the need to make fun of any cartridge and the people that shoot them. Makes no sense to me. We should be supporting each other in this anti-hunting/gun age. If it kills an animal ethically why is it a bad cartridge?
@@jinjaturtle8406 It's not really the cartridge so much as it's the jackwings that love it and openly crap on everything else, it's a decent cartridge but it's not magical, most people (myself included) think that it is EXTREMELY over hyped. I could write a paragraph detailing my distain for the cartridge but I believe I'd be preaching to the choir.
Just call the .243 a 6mm08 if you want it to sound new and fancy
Great ten minute talk! The 243, IMHO, is one of the greatest cartridges of all time! And the saying it is for kids and women is BS!
Thanks for watching!
I love the 243. Hunt with it all the time.
@@VortexNation the 250-300 (250 Savage) is an interesting follow up to this since they are so equal in speed and energy and Remington used the 243 and 260 to put the 250 out of business. When the 257 Roberts and 25-06 started using 110 & 117 gr bullets, Remington started producing 250-3000 ammo with the heavier bullets. When the 1:14 🔀 twist rate didn't stabilize them the gun shops would tell them their barrel was shot out. Called the gun a barrel burner. They would say they had a trade in special on the 243 and the 260 if they wanted to trade in, which was cheaper then rebarrelling the older gun.
The 250 Savage if sold today as the 6.25 mm Savage would be considerably more efficient then the Creedmoor using less brass, less powder, with lower pressures meaning brass lasts better.
If it's good for women and kids, that means a grown strong men should be even more accurate with it. That's exactly what one would want in hunting.
.243 is a great cartridge.....but it is absolutely the best cartridge for kids. Both my son and daughter started with a .243. Light recoil, very accurate, and ammo or components are readily available.
If it was renamed the 6mm08, everybody would want one. So let's not rename it. :)
Hy shit thats a good point.
I thoroughly enjoy watching you guys talk about different cartridges A recent one you spoke of the 25 06 which I own Also the 270 which I have one of. And now my favourite custom gun I built the 243 Which in all fairness With the same weight bullet Will stomp a mud hole in A.6.5 creedmore
I love hearing about specific cartridges and learning more about them. loved this video! Also I would love to hear about .270 and .25-06
25 06 is a woman or children's caliber. Too light for deer.
@@Lol-cd4ii my uncle has killed many deer in texas with his for 10 years. thanks for the input though.
@@Lol-cd4ii my teacher has taken many deer in Alberta with her 25-06, and with Barnes TTSX it’s even taken cow elk. But everyone is entitled to their opinion, and there are different schools of thought on what is adequate. Shoot straight.
@@Lol-cd4ii wow, most people would disagree. 223 and 25/06 are two of the most popular whitetail rounds where I live.
@@Lol-cd4ii you must be a terrible shot then. One of those guy that needs a “338 lapua” for 80 lb deer at 25 yards
My first deer, and my last deer fell to a 243. All with 100gr Nosler Partition. I have also shot a bunch of coyotes with that load. I took my 243 as my backup to a 22-250 on a prairie dog shoot. I used 75 grain Speer bullets. I used it for my longer shots. Honestly the 243 is a fabulous cartridge. I’m never giving it up.
Even just soft points are brutal...
I've been shooting .243 for decades through a Ruger no.1 drop block and have taken deer all the way down to 400 yd prairie dog shots. Its probably to me the most versatile cartridge next to 30.06. Its a workhorse for sure.
I've taken two elk with the 243. All you have to do is put your bullet in the right spot. Great video!!
243 is my favorite caliber. Please do a longer, more in depth video. It would be awesome to add video clips of hunting different game with versatile ammo like the 243, 22-250, etc. I know that it's a podcast but with short clips, accompanied by an explanation of what we're seeing, for example, with the 55 grain 243 on a coyote and 80 grain 243 on a deer or antelope, it would be amazing.
Could you cover the 6.5 Grendel if you haven't already? I really like the round and own one in a AR 15 platform. Thank you. John R.
Took first deer with .243. 40 yrs ago. Same Nosler 100 grain load used way back then helped me drop a monster 185# Texas buck last year with biggest rack I’ve ever shot (I think my freezer is my trophy case btw). I love to reload and shoot the .243. My hunting .243 is an FN Mauser with the most beautiful wood. I have only used that to hunt larger animals (deer and hogs) with to save the bore. My other .243 is a big old Sako bull barrel used for prairie dogs and such. I love the .243. I was thinking about jumping on the 6.5 Creedmoor bandwagon but then asked myself “why?” I have had 40 years of exceptional 243 service. That would be a bad breakup after so long.
I would like to hear more about bullet weights and good powders.
Especially Barnes 85gr TTSX or TSX copper alloy because there's not enough loading data out for the new copper alloy bullets.
I think 10 minute talk about this kind of stuff is amazing. It’s not too short but not too long. It’s just right and you get the right amount of information. As long as the people doing it know they’re talking about. And you guys know what you’re talking about
Do a chat on the 257 roberts.
Nice. Neck down for 6mm rem
Please do one of these on the 7mm-08
Definitely gotten that request a few times - It's on the list!
Without getting sidetracked and harping on about 6.5 man bun.
Remington Model 600 Mohawk in .243 is my go to whitetail deer gun. 3X9 Leupold. Good at 200 yards. Winchester 90 grain ballistic tips. 👍
I been enjoying these so far now that I’ve seen a few. And I love the .243 I took my first deer with it and it’s just one of the funnest rounds I’ve shot.
Love my 243, put down many a deer with it. Y'all need to give the 444 Marlin some love too, it's an awesome but underrated caliber that will easily take any North American game
I'm looking at a AR-10 chambered in 243 . Deer and varmint all in one package not to mention other "predators".
Definitely a step up from a 223
The 243 is capable of around 300 ft lbs of energy at 1500 yds that’s like point blank 38 special if can’t do the job with that you missed 50 cal be damned unless you’re trying to stop a car at that distance and REALLY who in the hell is gonna carry a 25 to 40 pound rifle in the field not gonna happen except by dream warriors lol
evan marks yessir I have had a 270 and it was awesome I have a 300 WSM and it is awesome and I can't wait to get my hands on the 243 . I'm thinking that it will be awesome as well .
I have a howa 1500 in 243 and i love that gun for deer
Had a Rem 700 .243 and it was an absolute tack driver and you could shoot all day without getting beaten up.
Would like to know if the guy on the right actually shot a 243 at 1000 yards. Windless conditions, probably no problem. Put some wind on a little bullet, going to get pushed around. Great caliber nonetheless.
Great idea taking a particular cartridge to talk about . Lean heavy towards the 243 and 25.06 my self. Keep it up!
.243 is awesome
If I got another gun, it would be .243 or 7mm-08. I currently have 6.5 and .308. I’ve always wanted a .243 but was sure I could deer hunt with it. Thanks for the info, can you talk about 7mm-08?
The 243, choice of the second best deer hunter in the world ...my Grandpa. He did a lot of hunting to feed his family. My Dad went to the 270. I do not hunt but ended up with both rifles... Found the information given great.
Now do 6mm ARC
I have a 243 as my varmint rifle ! That said I believe it’s excessively loud & lots , if not everyone complains about the boom from it. Funny thing is the 270 gets a pass ! ????
I believe that’s because the 270 obliterates everything it touches.
243 does everything for me in the last 25 years .
loved this convo, glad the .243 is getting some much deserved love.
It's a 24 caliber bullet. I will only use 30 caliber for deer and elk. A 27 caliber is the least that should be used in my opinion at a minimum. The 243 is made for coyote in my opinion
Great caliber, easily the most under rated round in the US. I always laugh when my friends look down on a .243 bolt gun because it's "to small" to be a good deer rifle, but somehow being chambered in a AR15 makes their 223s "deerslayers". lol. I'd love to hear about the .300 WSM and the 7mm-08 if you have time.
They make .243 uppers for the AR-10 platform that perform well.
@@keithlucas6260 Stop, stop, youre making my mouth water.
I've taken many deer with a 243 and have never had one get away ever
I have shot 80 deer with a 243 rem grandmaster . 100
Great cartridge, the 243, we can thank Mr. Warren Page, the outdoor writer for the 243 super pooper, which was the beginning of it all. He took it to New Zealand and was very successful with it there. I'm with the fella on the right, why own a 6mm Creedmoor, when you have a 243. By the way you folks make some nice scopes too,
So right Darren the creedmore is a huge laugh to me it's under powered and anemic on bullet weights , it is accurate but any low velocity round can be made to shoot tight groups
Very knowledgeable on history/ballistics of the cartridge and I agree with your assessment of the ,243. The .244 Remington does outperform it though (barely, but enough to mention), and it's a cooler cartridge. Also I can't understand your lukewarm take on the .257 Roberts. They are fairly close in size and purpose with factory loads but handloaders make sure the Roberts leaves the .243 in the dust. C'mon - the "Bob" (when handloaded) is my choice every time over the .243!
For a fact .243 caliber is one of
The top five all time selling
Cartridges. Must be pretty
Good for something. Not
Just a low recoil round
For your wife or kid.
Women and children can harvest deer with a .243 and you can't? Better hit the range, Hombre...lol
I own 2 Remington 700's chambered in .243 Winchester. I've been downing coyotes for 20 plus years with them. Great cartridge hands down!!
Why 2? Was there a 2for1special?
Yes it was a estate sale
What gr bullets are you using? Wanting to have minimum hide damage
55 grain to 90 grain varmint bullets. 55 grain shoots flat as a lazer. But doesn't do well in heavy wind. I prefer a 90 grain. It bucks the wind better and has more knock down power out to 600 yards. 300 yards and under. Both have no difference other than slight recoil change
@@mattjubie One was my father's willed to me.
I love the 243, with a Custom barrel, and faster rate of twist it will bury the 6 mmeter creedmore
The Remington was a 244 Remington with the 1 in 12 twist. The 6mm Remington was the corrected rifle with a 1 in 9 twist. Of the 244 caliber rifles the 6mm is the better because of the 7x57 case which will hold more powder and has a longer neck. The 243 is known for its short barrel life.
with all due respect, the only reason .308 has any following is because of it's military service using FMJ ammo and the idea that a .30 cal hole was the minimum requirement to put a man down, and hence it's availability...in all reality with hunting ammo, 308 really has no place in the safe IMO....you can easily do all your shooting needs with..
A-- 243 / 260 / and 30-06
or
B--243 / 7mm-08 / 7mm mag if you wanted to minimize projectiles
personally it's A for me
I have a cheap, 243 Rem 700 that I picked up at a garage sale years ago. I have a ton of other options that probably are technically better, but it's the gun I always take. Why? Because I never have had to track a deer. I don't shoot the deer with it, I shoot a hair on the deer. I just shoot it more accurately than any other rifle and that's what matters most.
the 243 is just my favorite. i have been shooting since i was 12 ( i am 47 now ) i have taken so many different types of game with it. But folks always seem to shit on it.
@Christopher Walrath, Same, I have a Ruger M77 in .243, it's such a great cartridge to shoot, whoever says it's a kids or ladies cartridge couldn't be anymore wrong wrong, all cartridges are for everyone, especially the .243, even in the early years of the LAPD SWAT teams used it as a sniper round.
An advantage to having a rifle in a common caliber like the .243 is that when you go to shop for ammo, there's a bigger area of the shelf dedicated to it. More selection and easier to find. 6.5 Creed is getting there because of its popularity. Get some strange caliber and yes, your friends will think you're cool, but you will only be able to find ammo through the internet...
After my Mosin my next rifle was Ruger American in .243 Winchester. Love it, i can still find rounds on shelves for it unlike my other calibers
500 to 600 yards with a 243 on deer?? I don't think so.
I took deer at 400 with my 243
@@awsomedude12345678 I believe you but that is a long poke for a 243, and a big difference from 500 to 600 like the guy said. I shoot a 257 roberts with 110s at 3000 fps and wouldn't dream of shooting a deer out to 500 yards...
@@bneaclab1 yes it is a big difference id say 243 effective rage is about 280 yrds after that bullet placement must be spot on also i shoot 100 gr soft points. Those tsx bullets need more speed to properly expand
Guys I've taken many deer , and some extremely huge Hogs with the 243 Winchester, I've never had a bad result with it, it's extremely accurate in a lot of rifles, the ideal bullet weight is 80 grains , the Optimum weight for big game to me is the 95 grain Winchester xp .great bullet . Low recoil , flat shooting pretty much a loaders dream formula.
What powder would you recommend for the .243?
I like the versatility of the .243 cartridge. As stated in the video it's effective from varmints to deer. That's just a start. Numerous black bear have been taken with the .243 Winchester. Take it for what is is and I wish folks would stop their snickering and sneering.
I don’t hand load but I do like the 100gr loads off the shelf. 100gr at 2900+fps is pretty good. Will knock a whitetail down no problem.
I find it amusing that Americans don't seem to realize that the Milliradian system is absolutely a metric system.
The man who developed the milliradian, just as the very name suggests was a Frenchman &, at that time, the metric system of common measurements was in use. Since Charles-Marc Dapples was a scientist, he recognized the mathematical advantages inherent within a decimalised system. As a result, it is no accident that the Milliradian system is 1 angular Radian divided into 1000 equal parts in direct correlation with a decimal mathematical system, as was intended by Dapples.
Although the Mill system was not taken from the common metric measurements of Millimeters, centimeters or meters, it was formulated to be directly & inherently compatible with a metric or decimalized measuring system, hence the division by 1000.
Put simply, any measurement system divisible by 10's, 100's 1000's & etc is a metric system by definition which ofcourse, includes Milliradians.
Love the versatility of the cartridge,matched to a good bolt gun they are exceptional shooters.
I love my .243 win great shooter and deer rifle. I bought a 6mm just this month because of the twist rate of the barrel. Many long range shooter say that the 1:10 twist rate of the 243 wont stabilize the heavier bullets so the 6mm creedmore is better for long range. That is the only reason i didn't go with the 243 because honestly I would have liked to have the same caliber in two different guns. But I did not get the 6mm for hunting,. just for long range plinking.
My Ruger American .243 has a stock barrel. 1:9 twist confirmed.
Shaw custom barrels dot com makes .243 Win barrels in 7 , 7.5, 8, 9, and 10 inch twist rates in lengths from 16 to 26 inches. They also build custom rifles for a very reasonable price.
@@edeldridge36 thanks for the info Ed. But I have already bought the 6mm creedmore that came on the savage 110 action. I haven't finished setting it up yet but hope to do some long range shooting this spring and hope that it shoots as good as it looks.
Have a Ruger Precision rifle in 243 Winchester. Major difference is the twist rate. Shoots 105 and 109 grain bullets. Feeds better then the 6mm Creedmoor. And brass is easy to find.
I genuinely don’t understand the appeal of the 6.5. Is it just the recoil?
I got a 243 this year and carried it all year deer hunting and had great success with it the only thing I have to add is be careful with ammo because I got Winchester deer season XP 95 grain and I killed my limit this year so they are effective but never dropped one deer they all run 30 yards with no blood trail what so ever
I had to once sacrifice the exact shirt Ryan is wearing in this video for some toiletry needs opening day of rifle season 2 years ago. Regret that decision everyday….
I think the 6.5 Remington Mag would be fun. Although it’s somewhat obscure, it’s still a great cartridge and really an original short Mag.
243 is THE cartridge, for taking whitetail deer, in south Texas... I've had great success...
and countless foxes, dozens roe deers and sooooooooo many wildboars (here in France ...). My fav caliber for almost 20 years.
My son has a 243 and killed his first deer with it. He loves the gun and it fits him perfectly
The 85 grain Sierra HPBT is magic in a 243 on white tails! Try it. Trust me
I use 85 gr Speer boat tail soft point and it drops deer where they stand, deer size game inside 400 yards it’s deadly.
I think tib Rex hit a beer can @ well over a 1000 yards with his .243 if I’m not mistaken.
I have used my Remington model 660 since I was 12 48 years later I still love that rifle hand loaded 100 grain boat tail soft point drops white tails in there tracks every time
If it ain't broke, don't fix it!
👍
Love the .243Win! I use it in bolt and AR10 platforms.
Heck yeah!
243 500yds and a white tail deer in a hunting scenario .An ethical shot defiantly not. Irresponsible yes not good enough odds for a one shot clean kill .Too much drop not enough weight or velocity. On paper possibly but not in the real world.
Let me list the cartridges, and hunters not considered ethical for taking deer at 500 yards. You do have a few hours to read, RIGHT?
.243 is my favorite centerfire rifle caliber in existence. I have two, a Savage 12 VLP and a Henry Long Ranger, both with pretty nice Leupold scopes and a fair amount of action/trigger work. It’s a VERY flat-shooting, inherently accurate round, even in the wind. It can be loaded light enough for varmints and heavy enough for even elk if you want to. Ammo’s everywhere and cheap, it’s a soft kicker, and that ammo is widely varied and ballistically superior to almost anything remotely similar out to 3-400 yards (here in the Appalachian mountain foothills of West Virginia, you almost NEVER need to shoot any further because of the landscape). Oh, and you can TOTALLY get .243 barrels for M1As…
My first rifle when I was 16, now 66, is chambered in 30-06. Can you talk about the 06?
I got my .243 ruger Hawkeye for coyote and mule deer. We test our zero a month before the hunt by shooting milk jugs at 250 yards. The recoil is so low I can shoot a jug, work the bolt and get another jug in only a few seconds.
Talk about the 35 Remington. A legend in the North East and as far as Canada and the Pacific Northwest.
Great show gentlemen! Love the .243 win, I've harvested many deer and a few coyotes with it. I'd like to see you guys talk about the .41 rem mag. This is another caliber I hunt deer sized game with and it has been around since the 1960's but it lives in the shadows of the .44 and .357 magnum rounds as far as popularity.
I wouldn’t trade my.243 for anything, I like 100 grain Remington Core- -lokt
Try some Sierra Gamechangers in 100. Tightest factory ammo groups my Axis .243 has ever shot.
@@jamesgullo8240 yeah but many people care too much about how accurate a bullet is and don’t take into consideration if that bullet is tough enough for hunting. Is that bullet well enough constructed for big game animals or is it only for punching paper? From what I’ve seen from testing on that bullet, it would suck for big game hunting.
@@christianzale505 Couldnt say, Christian. Have only shot targets with it so far. But they were clearly tighter than the Winchester X And Core Lokt at 200 and 300 yds.
@@jamesgullo8240 yeah but I’d take a less accurate core lokt bullet over something that blows up on light bones and immediately fragments. Same reason why I’d never use a Berger VLD for big game. I’ve personally seen those fail and the deer get away injured. If you’re not shooting ground squirrels in the head then a 1 1/2” group is perfectly fine.
The 87 grain bullet was the original promoted load
Yes; forget the 243. Get a 25-06 instead..
Love the "individual" videos...killed my first deer with a Win model 70 .243 in 1969..now have a Rem model 7 in 243...have killed deer with it for the past 20 yrs..love it
I would love to hear about 338 win mag !!!!
The .243 doesn't get enough love ?
Until the 7mm-08 came along in 1980 the .243 Win. Was the most popular cartridge in the US.
Marketed as a dual purpose cartridge , varmint or medium game
Would definitely love to see more videos on specific cartridges. Like 25-06, 30-06, 270, 308, 35 just to name a few. Really enjoy the podcast and Vortex products as a whole. 👍
My 243 Remington 700 is my favorite gun. It shoots the 100 grains soft points from Hornady beautifully at most distances. Where I live I never have a chance to shoot over about 250 or so.
I still have a 1968 Rem 700 in .243 with the original Herter's scope.
@@keithlucas6260 I’ll take it!!!
@@FishHardGetLucky ....stopped by the gunshow today...plenty of pre 64 model 70 Winchesters, Ruger M77s and Remington 700's in .243, .308 & 30:06....
"With my skill set, ethically, I wouldn't shoot any game further away than 500 or 600 yards". Wow. He's good! My maximum range on whitetail would be half that, at 300 yards. Anything further gets to live another day.
Not everyone hunts city deer
That's another thing that needs to be said. Hunt within your limits as a shooter. My rifles are 1 MOA and less. But I, shooting off hand, might be 1 MOA at 100 yards. That is, one of my rifles, in a vice, will shoot 1/3 MOA. Let me pick it up and stand (it is a heavy set up with a bull barrel) and I might waver and move point if impact an inch. Now, the average boiler room shot on a deer where you can get both heart and lungs is about an 8 inch pie plate. At 200 yards, I could be 2 inches off. 300 yards, 3 inches off.
So, your 300 yard limit makes sense.
I usually zero at 100 yards. I could zero at 250 which means my first cross around 50 yards and the second around 250. The rise of the bullet at greatest apogee is about 3.9 inches at a bit past 100 yards. that means you could aim right at the point of the elbow out to 250 yards and you will hit in the target zone, if the gun is perfectly still. But you might be breathing ragged because you just hiked up a hill.
Another good reason for hunting 300 yards or less is being able to see with your optics what you are shooting. If on public land, you will have restrictions. Sometimes you could accidentally shoot a button buck when you were intending for a doe. However, you could shoot farther. The western part of my state is desert and they have a lottery hunt to go for mule deer and they tell in the hunt description that you might be making shots at least 200 yards (not a lot of trees in the desert.)
Take a few gallon milk jugs out to the woods and shoot them at various distances from hunting positions, not bench rest. The farthest distance you can hit the jugs 5 times out of 5 should be your maximum shooting distance on game. Prepare to be humiliated.
@@johnmacleane296 Excellent advice but you need access to some property where you can do that. Easier said than done.
If you can't get closer than 500 or 600... idk maybe work on your stalking...
Where's the mention of .243 Win and .243 Ackley dominating BR for ages until 6mm BR became the rave?
Unless you are an extremely seasoned hunter that can shoot dimes off a buzzard's ass, the .243 is not good for anything but varmints, pronghorn, and Texas hill country deer. Why push this as anything but that. To even elude the .243 is good out to 500 yds is asinine. These youtube guys almost make me miss the magnum craze. The .243 is good for a kid if they spine the deer and that's it. I have seen more deer lost with that junk than anything else. If a cartridge can't get an exit hole on a broadside shot it is not good enough. When I guided I would cringe when people would show up with .243's. They paid for a lot of deer that never hit the meat pole. Get a kid a .260 Rem or 7mm-08 that way they have something that has enough ass to poke two holes in something. They mentioned the 6.5 Creed. It IS NOT good for elk at 500+yds or damn near any range. The .260 Rem is more powerful than the creed and no one ever though of it as an elk cartridge. No one ever dreamed of taking one out and doing the reckless crap people do with them today.
Absolutely correct. Every hunter I know has a "screw .243" story or 3. Mine was watching a pal hit a doe, through both lungs, at less than 50 yards. Poor thing ran a giant loop in this feild before finally falling down. Not dead, just laying there, to be finished point blank. About 300 yards total. Thank God she stayed in the feild not the near by briar patch. I got to where I loathed the sound of that rifle going off.
243 is a amazing little round bought my kids one for Christmas shortly later bought myself one. But what abought the great round it killed the 257 Robert's in reality a all round better round.
Great explanation of 243 win! How would you compare it to the new 6ARC? I normally prefer buying tried and true calibers instead of the latest fad like 22 Nosler.
My wife has shot deer with her 6mm Remington for 4 decades. Placing a 100 gr Nosler Partition in the “boiler room” will drop ‘em pretty fast proving that a good cartridge and good shot placement is key.
How bout some love for the 6.5x47L another forgotten hammer
I love the length of these videos. Perfect. Interesting. Informative. Opinion on 6.5 PRC, 6.8 Western (new)?