You would need a whole different bike for a 40c tyre, most that can handle that don't have an aggressive geometry to make it a good crit bike. You can have the Trek Domane with 38c but that frame is not too aggressive either.
40mm Challenge in the rain? Nope. I'd rather be on 25mm Conti GPs... Challenge makes wonderful tyres, and I love both the 25mm Strada on my road and the 40mm Strada Bianca on the gravel bike, but they are strictly for dry weather use only.
Not sure about 40s, but I remember at a crit race in the middle of God knows where Carolinas, when Will Hofarth was running 25s, in the days of 23s being the widest we would consider, and he was railing turns like a motoGP racer
Traction, sure. Ok. Larger patch, more traction. BUT this simple test must be performed. Ride a crit course at speed in a group with light supple, tubeless 28mm tires. Put 40's, whatever Dylan wants, on the same wheels and get back in in the same conditions. Crits are about accelerating and sprinting over and over and over. EG - last crit I did had a sprint up one city block on the course. It was 800w each time up the hill for 45 min. The larger, heavier tire will be a massive penalty, likely blow you out the back of the race.
Ive done the math on wheel/tire weight and how it affects acceleration and it is real but very small. You could also maybe lighten up the casing a bit to offset the weight gain if thats even possible on a modern fast race tire anymore (there is hardly any thickness in the sidewall as is) Aero penalty is a bigger concern, maybe with bikes and wheels designed around that size you could make it work.
What sort of take is this? Nobody is under any obligation to speak well of someone else's sponsors. If they want you to speak well of them then they need to pay *you*. Am I suddenly not allowed to speak ill of Shell because they now sponsor British Cycling? Hell no!
@@thrawed Dylan makes his money from sponsors, not race purses. And sponsors matter. I know he is sponsored by The Feed because I see the billboard on his helmet and great, that's the game, visibility for his advertisers and then product purchases by his fans. And I have always appreciated STP because they sponsored NASCAR driver Richard Petty and my Dad was a member of his pit crew when Richard won his first race for STP at Riverside in 1972. And in my little thumbnail from early '75, I am wearing a pair of bright red pit-crew pants from the team's /73 season and happily so, the closest I could get to something flashy like Evel Knievel and my nod to STP for sponsoring a team which my Dad enjoyed helping when they ran Riverside and Ontario. He had bailed on full-time engine building at the top of his game as a member of the famed Bud Moore Engineering team which fielded the championship-winning Factory Ford Trans-Am Mustangs in 1970. And to this day I still smile when I see any Mustang in the orange-and-black colors of Parnelli's car all those years ago. O and about that, the color, the guys on the team called it Pumpkin Orange. But no, no, the boss, Mr. Bud Moore, wasn't pleased that his men were disparaging the company colors. And I can understand his point. Nobody wants their car called a pumpkin, especially when it ruled the race track. 😀
@@thrawed Right on, I suppose, bad-mouth Saturn all Dylan and the crew want to do, but sponsors pay the bills, not race purses, and we all know about Dylan's sponsors and rightfully so, he is happy to have them plaster their stickers on his gear and promote their products. And that's all, not that sponsored riders have to like former sponsors, just a yikes to their current sponsors if they are bad-mouthing them. Like, hmm, are we next, does The Feed get trashed in the future for sponsoring riders and not pouring that money into research and development, not sure.
How narrow do Conti Race Kings get? Asking for a friend.
Pretty sure 2.25 for the protection casing and 2.0 for the shieldwall casing.
"Come prove it man" - well spoken. Come on Dylan!
I'm 100% with Dylan on this one.
How many road racing bikes can accommodate a 40c tire?
Specialized Crux with slicks.
The passive aggressive toxicity is strong here
Sure 😉
You would need a whole different bike for a 40c tyre, most that can handle that don't have an aggressive geometry to make it a good crit bike. You can have the Trek Domane with 38c but that frame is not too aggressive either.
40mm Challenge in the rain? Nope. I'd rather be on 25mm Conti GPs... Challenge makes wonderful tyres, and I love both the 25mm Strada on my road and the 40mm Strada Bianca on the gravel bike, but they are strictly for dry weather use only.
Not sure about 40s, but I remember at a crit race in the middle of God knows where Carolinas, when Will Hofarth was running 25s, in the days of 23s being the widest we would consider, and he was railing turns like a motoGP racer
So what width did Drew run ?
28 he said
Traction, sure. Ok. Larger patch, more traction. BUT this simple test must be performed. Ride a crit course at speed in a group with light supple, tubeless 28mm tires. Put 40's, whatever Dylan wants, on the same wheels and get back in in the same conditions. Crits are about accelerating and sprinting over and over and over. EG - last crit I did had a sprint up one city block on the course. It was 800w each time up the hill for 45 min. The larger, heavier tire will be a massive penalty, likely blow you out the back of the race.
Ive done the math on wheel/tire weight and how it affects acceleration and it is real but very small. You could also maybe lighten up the casing a bit to offset the weight gain if thats even possible on a modern fast race tire anymore (there is hardly any thickness in the sidewall as is) Aero penalty is a bigger concern, maybe with bikes and wheels designed around that size you could make it work.
Easy way to test Corning speed with tire width is test down a winding decent.
Or how slow can you go on a steep velodrome like Detroit or Cleveland
@@kennethward9530 but that's not road racing on tarmac
vittoria corsa pro control 700x34c🥰
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As sponsored riders, you might want to speak well of sponsors. Not a good look to bash Saturn, which was a quality sponsor back in the day.
What sort of take is this? Nobody is under any obligation to speak well of someone else's sponsors. If they want you to speak well of them then they need to pay *you*. Am I suddenly not allowed to speak ill of Shell because they now sponsor British Cycling? Hell no!
@@thrawed Dylan makes his money from sponsors, not race purses. And sponsors matter. I know he is sponsored by The Feed because I see the billboard on his helmet and great, that's the game, visibility for his advertisers and then product purchases by his fans. And I have always appreciated STP because they sponsored NASCAR driver Richard Petty and my Dad was a member of his pit crew when Richard won his first race for STP at Riverside in 1972. And in my little thumbnail from early '75, I am wearing a pair of bright red pit-crew pants from the team's /73 season and happily so, the closest I could get to something flashy like Evel Knievel and my nod to STP for sponsoring a team which my Dad enjoyed helping when they ran Riverside and Ontario. He had bailed on full-time engine building at the top of his game as a member of the famed Bud Moore Engineering team which fielded the championship-winning Factory Ford Trans-Am Mustangs in 1970. And to this day I still smile when I see any Mustang in the orange-and-black colors of Parnelli's car all those years ago. O and about that, the color, the guys on the team called it Pumpkin Orange. But no, no, the boss, Mr. Bud Moore, wasn't pleased that his men were disparaging the company colors. And I can understand his point. Nobody wants their car called a pumpkin, especially when it ruled the race track. 😀
@@thrawed Right on, I suppose, bad-mouth Saturn all Dylan and the crew want to do, but sponsors pay the bills, not race purses, and we all know about Dylan's sponsors and rightfully so, he is happy to have them plaster their stickers on his gear and promote their products. And that's all, not that sponsored riders have to like former sponsors, just a yikes to their current sponsors if they are bad-mouthing them. Like, hmm, are we next, does The Feed get trashed in the future for sponsoring riders and not pouring that money into research and development, not sure.