My favorite thing about Bosh, over someone like AspiringSpike, is that he actually has teaching moments, even when playing brews. I get that Spike streams, but instead of just clickbait titles and salting off when chat calls out bad play, Bosh calls himself out and explains what he did. I’ve learned so much watching these videos.
I love the look back you do at that match 17:30. I think a lot of magic players can fall into the results oriented outlook, where they chase the wrong path because it worked for them one time, rather than looking back at your choices and constantly re-evaluating that you're making the right ones. As Captain Picard once said, "It is possible to commit no mistakes and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life."
29:16 This deck really makes you feel you are playing the most Zen planeswalker in the multiverse, winking and smiling with a "tsk-tsk" while displaying massive self-control and awareness. Vorthos' dream!
Calling Mississippi river hyper redudant efficient and stable is absolutely wild remember where that deck started. This was an chaotic league. Great games.
Fun fact: I had a friend cast Apex Devastator in an EDH game many moons ago with the biggest shit eating grin on his face and then a look of abject despair as I Time Stopped him. That game with Creative Technique was hilarious and tragic.
Not a single surveil land is surprising. Miracles has made a comeback in modern off the power of them. Is untapped mana that important that running 1-2 is detrimental? Also very good with counterbalance.
This is so odd for me. I had a proxy legacy miracles deck with Jace the Mindsculptor, counterbalance, Terminus and predict(so from like what? 2017?) sitting on my desk for years collecting dust. And today I pulled it back out because a friend wants to build a budget legacy deck and wanted someone to playtest with.
Funniest video in a while. Normally I look for the lines to play and compare my choices with Brian's while watching, but with 2 matches playing to the clock and a mississipi cascading into 4 dinosaurs, I can tell that it's the time to goof around for a while and enjoy the entertaining string of events happening in this league XD.
You should turn on miracle bluffing in the settings for miracle leagues. It will pause on your first draw of any turn and “bluff” the miracle pause whether you have it or not
That match 2 is why I prefer the mtgo clock. Even in control mirrors the system rewards you for playing responsibly rather than winning 1 game and stalling the second out.
You mentioned "it's been a few years since we had to do this" and I had to remember the ORIGINAL UW Miracles Primer referred to it's standard presence in 2012...
Good old Azorius based midrange control. This is the type of deck I hope getting a better place in the metagame with the inclusion of Saints. All these three - four coloured piles are all well and good, but I love me a deck that doesn't just devolve into good stuff piles. Hopefully it's good!
love your videos bosh. i despise miracles + counterbalance. watching you blunder your way through these games gives me hope you will not play this deck anytime soon again. the mississippi river game was hilarious!
Question. If you are playing Counterbalance, would a few copies of Remand work in the deck? I know it's not a typical Legacy card now days, but the downside of putting the card back in their hand doesn't seem as bad when you have a passive "true" counter effect sitting in play with a chance to work the next time they try to resolve the spell. Remand drawing a card also seems important because it means you're getting to refresh the top of your deck. Is this still too cute? Is this a case of "win more" because remand would only work well with counterbalance in play? Would the incidental card draw actually be counterproductive when you're trying to control the top of your deck? What about using it as a tempo play to counter something minor, but trigger a miracle on your opponent's turn?
I've played with zephyrim a fair bit in paper, and I can confirm that it is not a legacy power level card. It is just a beater, and that is not something that legacy is about right now, the only good pure beatstick creature is murktide which is a fair bit larger for only 2 mana Kathy is mostly still just a beater, but there are a lot of decks that can't beat it on account of the lifelink + requiring exile based removal.
why doesnt miracles run mystical tutor, personal tutor, vamp tutor, Ect.? ive never played the deck and it would just make sense too garuntee you a temporal mastery the next turn or is it too clunky and slow for legacy power level in the same way enlightened tutor has phased out?
Vamp and Mystical are banned. Personal is too slow and only gets sorceries. There are some prison-y control decks that have used Enlightened but most decks don’t have enough hits to support it
So, the game against Mississippi river, you conceded g1 to seeing the cascader with plow in hand because you assumed the deck was on the old build. You could have sat there, played it out, and seen that they werent on enough material to beat terminus without emrakul, and been in a spot where you could deckbuild better afterwards.
Daze might not even be bad here as a 1-2 copies as a way to reset MS and another 2mv target but i would first try to run 2 MS. But yeah more removal and basically have Triumph jace and teferi carry the deck on their backs
I love Miracles but with all the high costing miracle cards I'm not sure Counterbalance is the move here. The only 2s are Counterbalance, there are no 3s. I guess there are a lot of 5s to stop other Forces and it's a powerful mindgame, but between Beans and Bows 2 is an important number. Edit: Yep you caught it.
at 8:05 or so the orim chant blocked terminus still has "can be cast for its miracle cost" in blue text on it. do you think MTGO would have allowed you to cast it? or just a visual bug
Lol, that Technique deck looks quite miss-built, in my opinion (so many Carnosaurs with Trickery is not ideal, Apex Devastator is far worse than Emrakul, etc.).... still crushes control with ease though.
Im really surprised with how important brainstorm effects are for miracles that there isnt at least a 1-of the hexproof leyline mainboard to both dodge grief and bowmasters. Also, i still miss top for miracles. I know it needed to be banned, but it made the deck feel buttery smooth.
As a paper player I've seen a few Triumph decks and I have questions: Is it just a worse Murktide that disappear to more removal, (Dismember)? Is it literally a auto mull in your opening hand if you are not playing Brainstorm? How much of a pain is a Wasteland deck with Daze? Is a Dreadnaught/Stifle/Dress Down deck unbeatable, (assuming 8 "free" counters)
@@Dracomandriuthus I'd venture to say it is as sticky as wood glue on metal against any deck that plays White and as threatening as a ghost against any tempo deck in the format. I'm not impressed.
If decking them was the plan you could have figured that out before 6 brainstorms with Jace and exiled their deck and put the 1 card in their hand back into their deck. Jace in play 8 turns is a Jace with 19 loyalty possible and only 12 needed to deck your opponent so that’s still 3 brainstorms with Jace and you could still deck them before they used prismatic ending to clear out Jace and you were also at 52 life so I guess it’s still a good place to be in.
@@rekenner I’m aware of that but there’s always the chance of fate-sealing the opponent (or yourself) to get a slight advantage over doing nothing and with the ability to ALSO brainstorm in between he could have had that Jace up to 12, his life points up to ~43, his opponent drawing badly, and oops “I think by best chance of winning is decking my opponent- what’s that? Jace on 12? Sorry opponent your deck contains 1 card, the card that was in your hand and already unplayable” where if the game plan was anything at all besides decking the opponent I’d say brainstorm with Jace all day long for the card selection and the ditching of bad cards via following some of those brainstorms up with cracked fetch lands, land cycling cards, shuffled ponders, whatever.
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You actually cannot name the 40k cards lol, it's the dumbest bug I have ever seen. How the list of the cards that exist and the list of cards you can name are separate is beyond me.
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Finished the easiest midterm of my life and come home to a bosh and roll video, Friday rules
Ride that high forever kid
Fuck yeah man, I love that feeling.
My favorite thing about Bosh, over someone like AspiringSpike, is that he actually has teaching moments, even when playing brews. I get that Spike streams, but instead of just clickbait titles and salting off when chat calls out bad play, Bosh calls himself out and explains what he did. I’ve learned so much watching these videos.
It’s become a ritual. Everyday click the notification, upvote the Bosh video.
I came to say this lol 💖
35:10 - 35:26 I love that this whole string of words you just said is actually relevant to a real game of Legacy.
I love the look back you do at that match 17:30. I think a lot of magic players can fall into the results oriented outlook, where they chase the wrong path because it worked for them one time, rather than looking back at your choices and constantly re-evaluating that you're making the right ones. As Captain Picard once said, "It is possible to commit no mistakes and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life."
Hear me out: Shark Typhoon cycling into St. Katherine triggering Beanstalk, with Replenish to bring back Shark Typhoons and Beanstalks
29:16 This deck really makes you feel you are playing the most Zen planeswalker in the multiverse, winking and smiling with a "tsk-tsk" while displaying massive self-control and awareness. Vorthos' dream!
Calling Mississippi river hyper redudant efficient and stable is absolutely wild remember where that deck started.
This was an chaotic league. Great games.
Never wanted a Terminus to happen so badly in my life than that last Mississippi River game. That would've been insane.
Jace?! Triumph?! Oh be still my beating heart
Fun fact: I had a friend cast Apex Devastator in an EDH game many moons ago with the biggest shit eating grin on his face and then a look of abject despair as I Time Stopped him.
That game with Creative Technique was hilarious and tragic.
I love the deep lore reference of the confusion in the ranks counter lel
Tremble before the might of the emperor for we walk in His immortal shadow! Blood for the God emperor, skulls for the golden throne!
Not a single surveil land is surprising. Miracles has made a comeback in modern off the power of them. Is untapped mana that important that running 1-2 is detrimental? Also very good with counterbalance.
This is so odd for me. I had a proxy legacy miracles deck with Jace the Mindsculptor, counterbalance, Terminus and predict(so from like what? 2017?) sitting on my desk for years collecting dust. And today I pulled it back out because a friend wants to build a budget legacy deck and wanted someone to playtest with.
you are satan. miracles is torture
Funniest video in a while. Normally I look for the lines to play and compare my choices with Brian's while watching, but with 2 matches playing to the clock and a mississipi cascading into 4 dinosaurs, I can tell that it's the time to goof around for a while and enjoy the entertaining string of events happening in this league XD.
ITS A MIRACLE! Another bosh video!
You should turn on miracle bluffing in the settings for miracle leagues. It will pause on your first draw of any turn and “bluff” the miracle pause whether you have it or not
That match 2 is why I prefer the mtgo clock. Even in control mirrors the system rewards you for playing responsibly rather than winning 1 game and stalling the second out.
You mentioned "it's been a few years since we had to do this" and I had to remember the ORIGINAL UW Miracles Primer referred to it's standard presence in 2012...
Big fan of suspicious tech
an hour and forty-five minutes. Now this is a control league
Control players aren't here for a good time, they're here for a long time.
This was a really fun one. It went terribly but it was fun😝
Good old Azorius based midrange control. This is the type of deck I hope getting a better place in the metagame with the inclusion of Saints. All these three - four coloured piles are all well and good, but I love me a deck that doesn't just devolve into good stuff piles. Hopefully it's good!
OMG 3 ponder/3 portent! That is an all in on miracles if I ever saw one
16:30 you might realize this later in the league, but you have a plateau in the deck, so you can have both red and white mana when you fetch :)
He also needed a land that could cast brainstorm that turn, which plateau doesnt do.
love your videos bosh. i despise miracles + counterbalance. watching you blunder your way through these games gives me hope you will not play this deck anytime soon again. the mississippi river game was hilarious!
I poured one out for my boy Bosh after round 5
Why no beans? This looks like the perfect home for beans
Because this is a UW deck and that’s a green card.
nice. 40k miracles rules :)
My brain would also be goo after going to time in two rounds.
Is it worth setting a draw step stop to hide the miracle trigger?
Edit: Just got to round 2 and saw you mentioned that.
That game four, good lord
Thanks!
Round two against Bant - any consideration to being in FoN just for a counterbalance three value against Uro?
It is not often I see Bosh shame concede.
When I do, its hilarious.
in round 5 why didnt take you take an extra turn would you could?
I love insanely grindy decks and round 2 and round 3 were some of the most enjoyable matches I've watched in awhile.
Question. If you are playing Counterbalance, would a few copies of Remand work in the deck? I know it's not a typical Legacy card now days, but the downside of putting the card back in their hand doesn't seem as bad when you have a passive "true" counter effect sitting in play with a chance to work the next time they try to resolve the spell. Remand drawing a card also seems important because it means you're getting to refresh the top of your deck. Is this still too cute? Is this a case of "win more" because remand would only work well with counterbalance in play? Would the incidental card draw actually be counterproductive when you're trying to control the top of your deck? What about using it as a tempo play to counter something minor, but trigger a miracle on your opponent's turn?
I've played with zephyrim a fair bit in paper, and I can confirm that it is not a legacy power level card. It is just a beater, and that is not something that legacy is about right now, the only good pure beatstick creature is murktide which is a fair bit larger for only 2 mana
Kathy is mostly still just a beater, but there are a lot of decks that can't beat it on account of the lifelink + requiring exile based removal.
The way you played the final game against d&t… Made me think I am not the Only one who does terrible mistakes…😂😂😂
why doesnt miracles run mystical tutor, personal tutor, vamp tutor, Ect.? ive never played the deck and it would just make sense too garuntee you a temporal mastery the next turn or is it too clunky and slow for legacy power level in the same way enlightened tutor has phased out?
Vamp and Mystical are banned. Personal is too slow and only gets sorceries. There are some prison-y control decks that have used Enlightened but most decks don’t have enough hits to support it
1:45:50 "This deck was cute five years ago but now it's a college aged kid trying to crash a high school party"
So, the game against Mississippi river, you conceded g1 to seeing the cascader with plow in hand because you assumed the deck was on the old build.
You could have sat there, played it out, and seen that they werent on enough material to beat terminus without emrakul, and been in a spot where you could deckbuild better afterwards.
god, doing a land tax//scroll rack package seems almost reasonable here instead of zephyrim
19:53 We are in. evil voice😈
bosh pack for the smoke god smoke em if you got em
Daze might not even be bad here as a 1-2 copies as a way to reset MS and another 2mv target but i would first try to run 2 MS. But yeah more removal and basically have Triumph jace and teferi carry the deck on their backs
19:50 activate blue player demon mode
I love Miracles but with all the high costing miracle cards I'm not sure Counterbalance is the move here. The only 2s are Counterbalance, there are no 3s. I guess there are a lot of 5s to stop other Forces and it's a powerful mindgame, but between Beans and Bows 2 is an important number. Edit: Yep you caught it.
this is the most hype timing out magic ive seen 😂
Nice game
I almost commented "untap with Jace = win the game" so many times in this league but could never fire it
What if I untap with Jace 8 times and still lose?
@@BoshNRoll T-T
at 8:05 or so the orim chant blocked terminus still has "can be cast for its miracle cost" in blue text on it. do you think MTGO would have allowed you to cast it? or just a visual bug
Probably visual bug. I didn’t click on it again
Forth Eorlingus really makes Entreat the Angels style cards look bad. I reckon Jeskai Miracles with 1 Forth Eorlingus is probably decent enough
Lol, that Technique deck looks quite miss-built, in my opinion (so many Carnosaurs with Trickery is not ideal, Apex Devastator is far worse than Emrakul, etc.).... still crushes control with ease though.
Im really surprised with how important brainstorm effects are for miracles that there isnt at least a 1-of the hexproof leyline mainboard to both dodge grief and bowmasters. Also, i still miss top for miracles. I know it needed to be banned, but it made the deck feel buttery smooth.
The biggest crime of the deck was not having access to Squadron Hawks. In a Bowmaster's world, gotta get those blinds hits off of counterbalance!
Woooh miracles! Also first 😊
Hoping to see a Pox Walkers Drege next week
Is it feasible to make the deck Esper and replace Potent and Zepherim with Lim-Dûl's Vault and Bowmaster?
@11:29 ; am I wrong or could you have just countered Shuko there by revealing your Tundra?
I'm dumb; Shuko is 1 mana, not zero.
oof, that was rough to watch xD still entertaining ^^
I'll tighten up the list and be back again. :)
@@BoshNRollit reminds us mere mortal backseat gamers that playing the game well is actually hard ^^ You'll trophy next time, I'm sure!
Thoughts on the builds playing thwart and entreat as the only real wincon in g1? More creatures is an interesting way to build
As a paper player I've seen a few Triumph decks and I have questions:
Is it just a worse Murktide that disappear to more removal, (Dismember)?
Is it literally a auto mull in your opening hand if you are not playing Brainstorm?
How much of a pain is a Wasteland deck with Daze?
Is a Dreadnaught/Stifle/Dress Down deck unbeatable, (assuming 8 "free" counters)
It's better than Murktide for control decks as it's a sticky threat that gains you life.
@@Dracomandriuthus I'd venture to say it is as sticky as wood glue on metal against any deck that plays White and as threatening as a ghost against any tempo deck in the format. I'm not impressed.
The Emperor Protects!!!
Hmm only 17, seems like deck needs subtlety
The Emperor protects
Effing magnets , how do they work ????
Portent LETS GOOOOOO
If decking them was the plan you could have figured that out before 6 brainstorms with Jace and exiled their deck and put the 1 card in their hand back into their deck. Jace in play 8 turns is a Jace with 19 loyalty possible and only 12 needed to deck your opponent so that’s still 3 brainstorms with Jace and you could still deck them before they used prismatic ending to clear out Jace and you were also at 52 life so I guess it’s still a good place to be in.
Bosh would have been hugely behind if he was plussing Jace. He'd have never gotten to that game state without the brainstorms.
@@rekenner I’m aware of that but there’s always the chance of fate-sealing the opponent (or yourself) to get a slight advantage over doing nothing and with the ability to ALSO brainstorm in between he could have had that Jace up to 12, his life points up to ~43, his opponent drawing badly, and oops “I think by best chance of winning is decking my opponent- what’s that? Jace on 12? Sorry opponent your deck contains 1 card, the card that was in your hand and already unplayable” where if the game plan was anything at all besides decking the opponent I’d say brainstorm with Jace all day long for the card selection and the ditching of bad cards via following some of those brainstorms up with cracked fetch lands, land cycling cards, shuffled ponders, whatever.
Is that a new sponsor I see?👀
Just a old school top would have helped alot
Explain that to Wizards who banned it in 2017 :(
Why is this deck not call IMPERICALES
Really hate the gambling midroll. It's disgusting and destroys lives.
Consider ditching them as a sponsor
Poker isn’t gambling.
"Any game that involves wagering on an outcome can be considered gambling. Poker, along with sports betting, are unique forms of gambling that also qualify as games of skill"@@BoshNRoll
You actually cannot name the 40k cards lol, it's the dumbest bug I have ever seen. How the list of the cards that exist and the list of cards you can name are separate is beyond me.
#unbantop
BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!
Too bad that card sucks 😭
Too cute and you don't even utilize Graveyard as a resource when all other decks do, either Snapcaster to help with brainstorm-miracle or Murktide.
Beans is such a dumb card LMAO. If you counter someone’s Solitude with Counterbalance they’re still ahead in card advantage??? How is this LEGAL MAN
This drck is a virtual 0-5 as far as I'm concerned.....ehich sucks cuase UW miracles is my favourite deck ever! Oh well, at least we got Uro.