Of we don't start seeing improved stability within a few updates of 4.0, you can get I'll be sounding the alarm 🚨 While I dont think this is going to be a smooth ride, in my opinion its good that THIS is the focus of testing right now.
@@MrAbram94 The issue will always come down to where players are located, if they're spread throughout the system split throughout DGS, we'd see a lot of improvement. The issue we have is when they up the player count and everyone spawns in the same place. I wonder if they'd need to implement a queue, aim for a high player count but up that gradually on server start to make sure there's no overcrowding.
@@winstonsmith5365 we try to make the event go forward by destroying useless targets (cater and hull c), I will use Eclipse to make things faster, as you usually get a HH defending those.
@@winstonsmith5365 The Servers crashing are a sign that CIG is Working on them. It doesn't suck any less lol but it will be a good thing in the long term trust me. (=
I think we all have our fingers crossed for the promised benefits of meshing. My experience after the 3.24.1 patch has been surprisingly smooth - no major crashes at all, even after many hours of play. It makes me wonder if a lot of the trouble some players are having post-patch is more about poorly optimized systems. If that's the case, meshing won’t make much of a difference, and CIG likely won’t fully optimize the game until closer to 1.0. It’s just how game development goes. That said, things are definitely moving in the right direction. Anyone frustrated with the current state should take a step back and enjoy some other games.
Call me a fanboy. But i believe in CIG´s visions and that they will be able to realise it all. Until then i´m trying to stay patient and calm, facing the next Server Error and further delays of the release of 4.0 and stuff like that. i´m 100% standing behind CR´s Pledge-politics because i want it to be the game, that i always dreamd about.
I absolutely love the music to your vids bro. Yeah, they are working on the tech, and it’s going to be awesome once they manage to pull everything together. Hoping for that 1000 player mark to be the standard
They really need to get 4.0 in EVO like yesterday. They cannot be delaying it even more, especially with the recent disgruntles players have been experiencing. Let us start testing no matter how broken, we just want to test, break stuff and report so we can get the ball rolling.
Regarding server meshing: no one is talking about spawn points and unnatural spawning of players during tests. 1000 players on 6 servers, of which 4 are spawn points = 250 players per server within 15 minutes. No wonder experience was poor. On top of that, most didn't even leave spawn planets increasing congestion. I think it's all good. Most of us just didn't get the memo (about what this test was for).
I don't believe spawning in was the issue. The experience wasn't poor in the idea that there was a bunch of lag in the sense of just trying to walk around had you rubberbanding. I mean yea, a bunch of people trying to join all at once will cause some issues, but remember, the home location became its own server, so the amount of people trying to spawn in those locations were always lower. It was more there was a random set of delay when trying to interact with stuff. Watching your ping you could see it wildly jump around. I could see it go from like 30ms to over 9000ms and then back again within fractions of a second. Normally I'm sitting at 30-40ms on live.
@@MrRoblcopter "I mean yea, a bunch of people trying to join all at once will cause some issues, but remember, the home location became its own server" - with 250 players each plus bugs related to networking. Thats what i meant. Sorry, english is not my primary language:)
I called this as soon as I heard about what they were intending to do with static servers, youll end up with servers that are underutilized in underpopulated areas and servers that are way overstressed in high population areas and theres no real easy way to fix that without highly inconveniencing the players
Probably has partially to do with how many spawn points are normally available for a server. Player counts don't exceed 100 under normal circumstances, guarantee they don't have more than 100 habs flagged for use. Most hab builds have more than 100 habs.
I think we could see 4.0 by the end of the year, in the early stages of PTU, either Evo or maybe Wave 1. Seeing it LIVE in December is optimistic as heck.
Let's not forget, during these meshing tests there was monitoring and more logging than usual in a live build. That combined with a lot of players all hitting the cities at once, will hopefully mean under normal conditions it should perform better. Another issue is the scaling as you stated for a larger system like pyro. We are only looking at static server meshing, so there will be more inefficiencies with underutilized servers within the shard.
If they put the server limit at roughly 300-450, I think it'd be the best step forward. From what I've heard, the server meshing test was absolutely fantastic at 300 people, but started to lose efficacy at 500+, and when it hit 1k, it was almost unplayable.
A major issue arose during the test due to uneven player distribution. With four servers connected, the majority of players spawned at Lorville, resulting in over 400 players on a single server and an ineffective load spread. Furthermore, while server performance had improved with frame rates reaching around 30 FPS, latency (ping) was inconsistent, fluctuating wildly between 300-3000 ms. This introduced a new set of problems.
sadly the payer grouping issue is something that can only really be fixed with hard server boundaries or dynamic meshing as long as there is more players in a shard than a single server could realisticaly handle, there is always a chance for all players in that shard to congregate to one server and break it. the system needs something to either encourage a spread or it needs to be dynamic
they probably need to aim for atleast 100 players per server in a shard so that they wont have to buy a ridiculous amount of new servers to handle their current amount of players so if they want to split up the system to any meaningful degree theyll have to increase the playercount massively per shard
@@kayko6969 Last nights test was a huge success in my opinion, there was a few issues that need addressed the likely bandaid fix is to just add more servers in high traffic areas until they can figure out an algorithm that can spin up servers as needed to accomplish the same thing just better and cheaper in the long run for CIG
When the servers are so good, your frames are so smooth No game even comes close to star citizen, shame it's hit and miss. I want meshing but want a smooth experience far more. Nothing like low FPS to break that immersion
Well, plenty of people DO get good frames. It’s just a matter of how good your pc is. But yes, of course, CIG will need to do some more optimization in the future, but it makes sense why stability is a priority.
It won't be a smooth experience until all of the tech is ready. It is not a game right now, it's a tech demo that doesn't even represent what the game is going to be.
I have found that I am less likely to rage-quit the game from bugs than I am from server stability lol. Bugs generally can be played around but If the server isn't responsive, theres no point in continuing the session. This recent patch cycle has been pretty impressive with stability and I've been way more encouraged to actually stick around alot longer than I normally would have if the servers were bad. I really hope that with SM being on the horizon that we can finally see some improvment in the overall stability as I think that will keep retention up way more than any new ship/gameplay loop could (at least at this moment in time).
To be honest. As long as 4.0 will be playable this year im good. Even if (and i know its very likely) this patch will be a mess. I just want to get above this mountain...
Seeing this pop into my feed right after they did another TECH-PREVIEW Server Meshing/RMQ test that went dramatically better than last week's Welp, ST...content creation do be like that lol
Man just let us test! Even if it's shit, terrible, broken. Let us be a part of the shit storm and see the ball roll. We want to help this insane experience work!
3:500 was decent, 6:1000 was a bad experience (5-10 seconds delay, players phasing in and out of existence, desynced hangar door when calling from outside exploding players entering).
Best case scenario is server meshing will actually fix all of the server performance issues that plague the game right now. Worst case it wont make a difference
The concept of server meshing is not working out as expected, which is why we haven't heard much about it lately and have only received updates about Pyro. They're now putting server meshing in the spotlight to make investors think everything is fine. I'm sure a complete rework is in progress, which will be announced in late December and will be ready by the end of 2025.
Hey do you buy your music for these videos? Are you looking for free music to put on these videos? I would love to compose some retro synth wave tunes for your vids
CIG is setting themselves up for a big failure. You don't drop 4.0 then go on Christmas vacation. You need all hands on deck for the weeks and months after.
SC went from 500k active players in March to about 50k today. By the time they get server meshing figured out, there will only be about 5k active players, if even that. Shouldn't be a problem. Why do other MMO games pull off server meshing? It's not rocket surgery. If you think 4.0 will be out in December, you haven't been playing SC very long. They are NOTORIOUS LIARS, you will be lucky to see in by 2026.
If its not in the PU then its not released, there really is no negotiating this scenario. Stop moving the goal post to make your self fell better about CIG.
eu servers have been hit and a miss past week. ships not appering. having to claim even know its landed in front of me. cant remove helmet. storage lockers showing zero. bountys with no one there when arrive etc
there will be no stability or mmo experience until it gets out of alpha, when will that happen? god know.... but im sure 100% that is minimum 3 years from now
as of now I want to have fun and play the game in it's current start please for the love of god patch the elevators so i can my in game money and fight other players
Yes! Server stability and game experience stability. I'm ready for a live release, refuse to play or spend more money on a game that isn't a game. Time for the ship selling money grabbing to end and actually get us the back end tech for a MMO
The amount of jank and lag this game has, any new player will hate this game, they need to prioritize this and fire their marketing team, they are just cancer to this game
Wait what Server Meshing are you talking about? We tested a Hybrid, as far as I understand, which is not a Server Meshing. The hybrid is a classic server grid like in 99% MMOs + a replication layer, as far as I understand. But the Server Meshing technology itself does not work yet.
CIG have a very poor Strategy for interested fans to pursue, like i had spent $75 dollars for a starter ship just to access & play what the game has to offer & tbh its not much compared to other games that are far much cheaper. & to make matters worse your charging me $40!!! to use a tool in the game to make things a bit faster aka (ATLS) starfield recently gave their players a FREE land vehicle to travel on land faster. CIG is charging fans 40 dollars just for a tool to move boxes around, i mean that is insane to me & mind bothering. If i was to purchase the ATLS that would be $115 USD I've spent on a unfinished product thats very unstable for quite some years now it doesn't make Sense!
Keep in mind, the game is not released. If you're looking for an experience similar to Starfield I would not play this game. Right now you DO have access to quite a few vehicles that you don't have to pay money for, the ATLS is the sole standout there, but should be available in-game soon as well. If you are looking for a full game experience, simply do no play Star Citizen right now.
@@good_speed_0h Still in development my friend. Also, I’ve been testing Star Citizen since its first release with the $45.00 Aurora. I buy everything else in game. I do have a second account where I’ve donated an embarrassing amount of money though. But I have no regrets. Don’t pledge more money if you don’t want to. Your pledge is basically a donation to further Star Citizen’s development. You get an in game asset depending upon your pledges. Simple. Also, you should know that those loaders will be available for in game purchase. Usually after 3 to 5 months.
@SpaceTomato I'm not looking for a experience similar to starfield I'm looking for a experience better than starfield & it am fully aware that the game isn't fully released.
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Of we don't start seeing improved stability within a few updates of 4.0, you can get I'll be sounding the alarm 🚨
While I dont think this is going to be a smooth ride, in my opinion its good that THIS is the focus of testing right now.
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I'm very concerned that Server Meshing won't fix the horrible server performance
@@MrAbram94 The issue will always come down to where players are located, if they're spread throughout the system split throughout DGS, we'd see a lot of improvement. The issue we have is when they up the player count and everyone spawns in the same place. I wonder if they'd need to implement a queue, aim for a high player count but up that gradually on server start to make sure there's no overcrowding.
@@nemesis851_I'll leave them as a testament to my careless thumbs!
Totally agree.. this is what's needed right now.
Fingers crossed they pull through. Events like Blockade Runner are pointless without good server performance
If it was only performance ... We get bugs from the PTU, like Cater and Hull C not having any Zeta, what are they thinking about ?
Two days in and every server I went on ended up failing causing the event mission to start over then people just give up trying .
@@winstonsmith5365 we try to make the event go forward by destroying useless targets (cater and hull c), I will use Eclipse to make things faster, as you usually get a HH defending those.
@@winstonsmith5365 The Servers crashing are a sign that CIG is Working on them. It doesn't suck any less lol but it will be a good thing in the long term trust me. (=
I think we all have our fingers crossed for the promised benefits of meshing. My experience after the 3.24.1 patch has been surprisingly smooth - no major crashes at all, even after many hours of play. It makes me wonder if a lot of the trouble some players are having post-patch is more about poorly optimized systems. If that's the case, meshing won’t make much of a difference, and CIG likely won’t fully optimize the game until closer to 1.0. It’s just how game development goes. That said, things are definitely moving in the right direction. Anyone frustrated with the current state should take a step back and enjoy some other games.
They just announced another meshing test happening today woooo 😊
And I heard the 500 player one went extremely smooth which is great news
Call me a fanboy. But i believe in CIG´s visions and that they will be able to realise it all. Until then i´m trying to stay patient and calm, facing the next Server Error and further delays of the release of 4.0 and stuff like that. i´m 100% standing behind CR´s Pledge-politics because i want it to be the game, that i always dreamd about.
My most favorite blooper was at 5:56 when the player was bashed by the elevator drive by.
SOooo much riding on this years end!
I absolutely love the music to your vids bro.
Yeah, they are working on the tech, and it’s going to be awesome once they manage to pull everything together. Hoping for that 1000 player mark to be the standard
Greetings Space 🍅
Damn bro 22 seconds fresh video. Sick.
Perfect update! Every month or so I want to see where things are at and this video does it perfectly - Thanks Space Tomato!
They really need to get 4.0 in EVO like yesterday. They cannot be delaying it even more, especially with the recent disgruntles players have been experiencing. Let us start testing no matter how broken, we just want to test, break stuff and report so we can get the ball rolling.
They can delay they will delay and we still will play it
@@Singlelair oh for sure, but i would rather they didnt :)
Not if it sucks, CiG doesn't want more negativity.
@@RicoZaid_ that's why I said EVO, and not LIVE
@@Singlelairmost importantly, we will still pay
Regarding server meshing: no one is talking about spawn points and unnatural spawning of players during tests. 1000 players on 6 servers, of which 4 are spawn points = 250 players per server within 15 minutes. No wonder experience was poor. On top of that, most didn't even leave spawn planets increasing congestion. I think it's all good. Most of us just didn't get the memo (about what this test was for).
I don't believe spawning in was the issue. The experience wasn't poor in the idea that there was a bunch of lag in the sense of just trying to walk around had you rubberbanding. I mean yea, a bunch of people trying to join all at once will cause some issues, but remember, the home location became its own server, so the amount of people trying to spawn in those locations were always lower.
It was more there was a random set of delay when trying to interact with stuff. Watching your ping you could see it wildly jump around. I could see it go from like 30ms to over 9000ms and then back again within fractions of a second. Normally I'm sitting at 30-40ms on live.
@@MrRoblcopter "I mean yea, a bunch of people trying to join all at once will cause some issues, but remember, the home location became its own server" - with 250 players each plus bugs related to networking. Thats what i meant. Sorry, english is not my primary language:)
@@Edukacyjny_pa-troll Spawn ques are a thing, and have been a thing for a while.
I called this as soon as I heard about what they were intending to do with static servers, youll end up with servers that are underutilized in underpopulated areas and servers that are way overstressed in high population areas and theres no real easy way to fix that without highly inconveniencing the players
Probably has partially to do with how many spawn points are normally available for a server. Player counts don't exceed 100 under normal circumstances, guarantee they don't have more than 100 habs flagged for use. Most hab builds have more than 100 habs.
I think we could see 4.0 by the end of the year, in the early stages of PTU, either Evo or maybe Wave 1. Seeing it LIVE in December is optimistic as heck.
Love your tomato talk 🙏🏾
Great vid!
Thank you Abdi!
Let's not forget, during these meshing tests there was monitoring and more logging than usual in a live build. That combined with a lot of players all hitting the cities at once, will hopefully mean under normal conditions it should perform better.
Another issue is the scaling as you stated for a larger system like pyro. We are only looking at static server meshing, so there will be more inefficiencies with underutilized servers within the shard.
Static might be the best bet until they REALLY nail tech.
If they put the server limit at roughly 300-450, I think it'd be the best step forward. From what I've heard, the server meshing test was absolutely fantastic at 300 people, but started to lose efficacy at 500+, and when it hit 1k, it was almost unplayable.
I'd go with the "Rum Rumager". Aye, Now I'm thirsty. Where's me flask?
A major issue arose during the test due to uneven player distribution. With four servers connected, the majority of players spawned at Lorville, resulting in over 400 players on a single server and an ineffective load spread. Furthermore, while server performance had improved with frame rates reaching around 30 FPS, latency (ping) was inconsistent, fluctuating wildly between 300-3000 ms. This introduced a new set of problems.
sadly the payer grouping issue is something that can only really be fixed with hard server boundaries or dynamic meshing as long as there is more players in a shard than a single server could realisticaly handle, there is always a chance for all players in that shard to congregate to one server and break it. the system needs something to either encourage a spread or it needs to be dynamic
@@wraithdino1217 Absolutely agree with you on that point. I think we're still a bit away from seeing dynamic server meshing become a reality though.
I appreciate your cautious optimism and your candor, Tomato.
Just give evo a 100 player meshed shard and get things rolling, aiming for a 200 player shard by live
I wish CIG was more proactive like this, They would have so much more data if they would do things like that.
they probably need to aim for atleast 100 players per server in a shard so that they wont have to buy a ridiculous amount of new servers to handle their current amount of players so if they want to split up the system to any meaningful degree theyll have to increase the playercount massively per shard
@@wraithdino1217 well good news is they are doing another 1000 player test right now
They do this on todays test
@@kayko6969 Last nights test was a huge success in my opinion, there was a few issues that need addressed the likely bandaid fix is to just add more servers in high traffic areas until they can figure out an algorithm that can spin up servers as needed to accomplish the same thing just better and cheaper in the long run for CIG
It's all coming together, even if we do get multiple 4.0 patches and even a 5.0 before the 1.0 release.
We just have to hold the line.
Always a fan of the Tomato talks!
Thanks for watching 😄
Currently on the 4:500 test. It's doing pretty good. I think IF we get server meshing this year, it'll be smaller like this and not 1000+ players.
Nah I hope we see 1000 players
When the servers are so good, your frames are so smooth No game even comes close to star citizen, shame it's hit and miss. I want meshing but want a smooth experience far more. Nothing like low FPS to break that immersion
Well, plenty of people DO get good frames. It’s just a matter of how good your pc is. But yes, of course, CIG will need to do some more optimization in the future, but it makes sense why stability is a priority.
It won't be a smooth experience until all of the tech is ready. It is not a game right now, it's a tech demo that doesn't even represent what the game is going to be.
“The number 1 thing they want is stability-…” then my video starts buffering real hard
I have found that I am less likely to rage-quit the game from bugs than I am from server stability lol. Bugs generally can be played around but If the server isn't responsive, theres no point in continuing the session. This recent patch cycle has been pretty impressive with stability and I've been way more encouraged to actually stick around alot longer than I normally would have if the servers were bad.
I really hope that with SM being on the horizon that we can finally see some improvment in the overall stability as I think that will keep retention up way more than any new ship/gameplay loop could (at least at this moment in time).
To be honest. As long as 4.0 will be playable this year im good. Even if (and i know its very likely) this patch will be a mess. I just want to get above this mountain...
Love your videos ST! Your videos on server meshing are my favorite... I wish you could find out what level hardware they are running on AWS
Thanks for the video! I test the 500 player count and at least cliente site fps lookt better at area 18
I'm hoping the server mesh will work, too many things depends on it.
Anyone else think the music was from Satisfactory at first?
Seeing this pop into my feed right after they did another TECH-PREVIEW Server Meshing/RMQ test that went dramatically better than last week's
Welp, ST...content creation do be like that lol
I was hoping for more details on what the server meshing actually IS.
1:05 LOL. When you see it.
In your mind, there is a picture of a rocket taking off
The lifting is heavy
But then the rising to the atmosphere is powerful
I don't expect 4.0 this year. Late Feb/March '25 is more like it.
@tualatindave3797 optimist eh?
Man just let us test! Even if it's shit, terrible, broken. Let us be a part of the shit storm and see the ball roll. We want to help this insane experience work!
3:500 was decent, 6:1000 was a bad experience (5-10 seconds delay, players phasing in and out of existence, desynced hangar door when calling from outside exploding players entering).
I’m hoping server meshing enables NPC crew
Why does cig get a winter break? I havent had one of those since grade school
"Significant FPS Gain" what mostly player want and Stability
Best case scenario is server meshing will actually fix all of the server performance issues that plague the game right now. Worst case it wont make a difference
I need more Space Tomato in my life
The concept of server meshing is not working out as expected, which is why we haven't heard much about it lately and have only received updates about Pyro. They're now putting server meshing in the spotlight to make investors think everything is fine. I'm sure a complete rework is in progress, which will be announced in late December and will be ready by the end of 2025.
That's an interesting story that you've pulled directly out of your ass. 😂
Great Video MR Tomato keep it up Love you videos. This channel is like a Good Wine, getting even better with time.
Hey do you buy your music for these videos? Are you looking for free music to put on these videos? I would love to compose some retro synth wave tunes for your vids
Hopefully they dont just keave rhe player cap at whatever intial value they find it the most stable and try push for higher pop per share
CIG is setting themselves up for a big failure. You don't drop 4.0 then go on Christmas vacation. You need all hands on deck for the weeks and months after.
only thing what is meshing are their promises they always mesh perfectly just 1 year until release
At the end of the day if they cant get a consistent play experience its all for nothing.
Server mashing will work, maybe not 100% but good enough to play.
"Expect the worst..." that's what backers have come to at this point. It's so depressing.
SC went from 500k active players in March to about 50k today. By the time they get server meshing figured out, there will only be about 5k active players, if even that. Shouldn't be a problem. Why do other MMO games pull off server meshing? It's not rocket surgery.
If you think 4.0 will be out in December, you haven't been playing SC very long. They are NOTORIOUS LIARS, you will be lucky to see in by 2026.
I am not expecting much from server meshing but I hope I am wrong
3.24.1 improved stability? Lmao I get 10 times the bugs and disconnects compared to 3.24 😭😭
If its not in the PU then its not released, there really is no negotiating this scenario. Stop moving the goal post to make your self fell better about CIG.
Man, the dev looks like someone that’s been yelled at way too many times. Poor guy.
eu servers have been hit and a miss past week. ships not appering. having to claim even know its landed in front of me. cant remove helmet. storage lockers showing zero. bountys with no one there when arrive etc
there will be no stability or mmo experience until it gets out of alpha, when will that happen? god know.... but im sure 100% that is minimum 3 years from now
Can Someone explain server meshing to me like im a child cuz i still dont know what it is
as of now I want to have fun and play the game in it's current start please for the love of god patch the elevators so i can my in game money and fight other players
Yes! Server stability and game experience stability. I'm ready for a live release, refuse to play or spend more money on a game that isn't a game. Time for the ship selling money grabbing to end and actually get us the back end tech for a MMO
Balls
10 times more players is just 10 times more complaining in global chat...
Only could? If it doesn't, the whole project fails.
imagine wasting a day of progress to a bug ... yay ... gg
Somehow I was unsubscribed from your channel? Watch out people! Love your work Space Tomato.
The amount of jank and lag this game has, any new player will hate this game, they need to prioritize this and fire their marketing team, they are just cancer to this game
Wait what Server Meshing are you talking about? We tested a Hybrid, as far as I understand, which is not a Server Meshing. The hybrid is a classic server grid like in 99% MMOs + a replication layer, as far as I understand. But the Server Meshing technology itself does not work yet.
CIG have a very poor Strategy for interested fans to pursue, like i had spent $75 dollars for a starter ship just to access & play what the game has to offer & tbh its not much compared to other games that are far much cheaper. & to make matters worse your charging me $40!!! to use a tool in the game to make things a bit faster aka (ATLS) starfield recently gave their players a FREE land vehicle to travel on land faster. CIG is charging fans 40 dollars just for a tool to move boxes around, i mean that is insane to me & mind bothering. If i was to purchase the ATLS that would be $115 USD I've spent on a unfinished product thats very unstable for quite some years now it doesn't make Sense!
Keep in mind, the game is not released. If you're looking for an experience similar to Starfield I would not play this game. Right now you DO have access to quite a few vehicles that you don't have to pay money for, the ATLS is the sole standout there, but should be available in-game soon as well.
If you are looking for a full game experience, simply do no play Star Citizen right now.
@@good_speed_0h
Still in development my friend.
Also, I’ve been testing Star Citizen since its first release with the $45.00 Aurora. I buy everything else in game.
I do have a second account where I’ve donated an embarrassing amount of money though. But I have no regrets.
Don’t pledge more money if you don’t want to. Your pledge is basically a donation to further Star Citizen’s development. You get an in game asset depending upon your pledges. Simple.
Also, you should know that those loaders will be available for in game purchase. Usually after 3 to 5 months.
@SpaceTomato I'm not looking for a experience similar to starfield I'm looking for a experience better than starfield & it am fully aware that the game isn't fully released.