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Ever wonder what all the changes are that 4kids made to the original version?
Get into high gear as we deep dive into the New World Saga.
This video covers The New World Saga.
Episodes 1-13 - ภาพยนตร์และแอนิเมชัน
4Kids: Oh no, we can’t have kids hear gun sounds
My old neighborhood: Gunshots, helicopters and cars exploding
Did you live in Liberty City?
@@dakotasan8719 lmao
lol i did. no sleep.
@@dakotasan8719 I was gonna say Detroit but that works too
I think you were in world war 1
Japanese version: (has words)
4KIDS: we don't do that here.
I'm reminded of Cosmo from that one Fairly odd parents episode. Ah that's terrifying! There's words in it!
Why sone of it doesn't make sense what harm in thete being some sign that says water or a scene being cut out that show super nitro?
@@Spicystachegamer I believe the reason for the plentiful text removal is that 4Kids when ever possible bought the internationalist publication rights to the series that were dubbing and so forced every other country that wanted to make a dub to base it on there version and in order to make it an easier sell to non English speaking counties did there remove the language
i realized that and why dont they have wordz???
Apparently TMS was the one who removed all the text so that the other dubbing companies can add their own text in their own language. Turns out that no one bothered to even add text which explains all the weird blank spaces
Sonic is infamous for calling piccolo a saiyan XD
Yup
LMAO I had to look it up
Piccolo’s a Namekian actually.
@@SlapstickGenius23 we know lol
@@SlapstickGenius23 That's the joke.
the reason for the "You like it rough joke" is because sonic wasn't originally made 4kids
it's supposed to be a shonen anime, which are more commonly aimed at teenagers
The person on this video clearly doesn't know that since he is complimenting the 4kids dub
no he's being sarcastic
@@sanicsanic6890 cannot really hear the sarcasmn. lol
@@GrafDaaku no the guy making the video
@@sanicsanic6890 I know.
Sonic is family friendly
Also sonic: Sh*t
Not in Japan he is.
@@b.eanimationsandotherstuff1536 what?
Sonic is teen targated franshise and that is the truth
@@jowprower8467 Amen to that 🙏🏻🦔💙
@@jowprower8467 Except now it's kinda trying to aim at kids and I don't like it that much *Cough* Sonic Forces *Cough*
"Is that a scene of children having fun on the beach?! Cut that, it could give kids dangerous ideas, like going outside is fun"
Like seriously, why cut that tho? It makes no sense at all
they knew about covid
@@jsbedard6854 bruh
@@publiccrown2382 Time constraints
Time cut
@@jsbedard6854 yes
Japanese ost is better because during the bio lizard fight they straight up play LIVE AND LEARN AND IT THE MOST HYPE SHIT EVER
Yeah I watched that powerup scene a few weeks ago. Pretty much perfect. Far better than that generic sounding garbage we got.
I haven't watched sonic X in years, this is making me concider watching the Japenese dub since I watched the english dub before.
@@tytotech9498 Watch the Japanese dub, it's totally worth it (if you're a huge Sonic fan, that is).
@@alysssabear All right, I'll try to find time. I'm a huge fan of sonic, sonic x and unleashed are what got me into it actually!
@@tytotech9498 That's kinda funny because those are the same things that got me into Sonic too!
To be fair about the sonic boom explanation, Sam outright explains it when Sonic speeds past him.
"A sonic boom!? He's moving faster than the speed of sound!"
“Chief, you’re running outta road!”
10:35. No, that’s not weird. Stretching is a very common animation technique.
Squash and Strech!
12:24 I am deeply offended . . .
I cannot forgive 4Kids for this
That part made me laugh.
What I hate about the dub the most is that they changed the great soundtrack to terrible annoying repetitive music.
Honestly, fuck the dubbing soundtrack. Would actually be more okay if the music wasn’t shit.
Aside from the constant missing texts, that's the only problem I have with the English version.
Yeah the music was horrible. If you watch it with Japanese music dub, Sonic X m'n makes waay more sense.
The music is generic and It triggers me when's they unnecessarily remove text, even if it's in english, and finally while I'm fine if the laser noises are in Eggman's robots, on other guns and firearms, it just sounds wrong and they should've replaced them with Tazers
I was fine with the theme song, but everything else drives me insane. Every time I hear the trumpet crescendo I lose my mind. I can't describe how much it fucks with me
Once I discovered the Japanese dub, I hated 4kids, 80 perception of their censorship was unnecessary
That's 4Kids for ya. Jelly donuts, anyone? >:3
Even the Sign texts are removed
@@richarddiaz1845 that was done for worldwide distribution so the show could be aired in any non-English speaking country.
@@dannylopez5976 Still pretty stupid though.
"80 perception"?
The jp version of cosmos death is the closest I have ever come to crying at a show.
That scene killed me bro.
I've never watched Sonic X but when I found out that she died at some point, I couldn't help but feel sad.
@@MechaKnuckles *_Like Cosmo?_*
@@TheRealEncy ☠☠☠
I cried
Of course 4Kids censored Sonic. They censor everything that "IsN't KiD fRiEnDlY!!" They made Luffy a pirate who thinks hitting is bad
I still like show, even with its flaws
But the Japanese version is extremely amazing.
Agreed
Aggre
@Laterrious Elliott is there a problem?
Just my opinion, but even in Japanese it isn't great. The writing is still the same, just with more swearing and less censorship.
@@NihilisticBallman Actually the dialogue is not the same. There's more to the original Japanese version then just swearing and less censorship.
i belive the reason this anime had swearin and certain adult jokes is because actually wasnt aimed for kids and a more teenager audience instead
Oh you think just go see the comparison of s3 molly's death from sad in tears in sub, while confused in dub.
@@thecodester6669fr like. She Flied to space like wtf
Eggman's base being named "Chaos Control" in the dub is one of the most ridiculous translation errors I've ever heard of. It goes to show that 4Kids didn't have anyone familiar with Sonic lore working on this thing.
Sonic lore now is completely messed up. We can thank SEGA for this hiring two guys who have never seen Sonic in their lives. We have such a failures as Sonic Lost World and Sonic Forces. And Takashi Iizuka's opinion about Classic and Modern Sonic being different chars is huge inconvenience.
The whole thing about all the text being removed was because the president of 4kids at the time stated in an interview that "kids don't read when they watch cartoons so why keep it in" something like that. It angered and insulted so many people back then lmao
Of course the comment that Kahn made anger most people because most of the people that Kahn pissed off had children of their own and were aghast when he said that their children and teens were idiots who don’t know what cartoons and anime are about!
I get why they removed Sonic swearing, but him saying "Cream! Hang on!" doesn't make a lot of sense since he's the one who's holding on to her. They could have had him say "Shoot! Let's go!"
To be fair, sonic does run pretty fast. Could be referring to how fast he's about to go.
I really liked Japanese Sonic X. It's the best Sonic show in terms of character interactions. They didn't need a whole lost on Earth plot and I think it could have been even better if the show took place on Mobius.
there on earth because ya know this show is based off of sonic adventure and SA 2
Also with some artwork show living in the same world as them
Whether on earth or mobius, Chris didn't need to have so much screentime. He didn't add much to the show
@@KitsuneFyora yes sometimes in the show he was just there.
Ykw same
The text removals are actually not "done" by 4KidS, not directly at least. It's actually the "clean" version for international markets by the anime studios. 4KidS actually does nothing instead of something, when the point is these is to fill in something that's culturally relevant to where you're localizing the show. This is rather sensible, as the text in the original Japanese broadcasts may be unintentionally offensive, incongruent, or confusing in other cultures.
That sounds worse imo
THEY JUST DO NOTHING?!
NOT CENSORING, JUST LASINESS?!
@@harrietr.5073 Yes. They did the animation equivalent of sitting a test in school and leaving all the answers blank.
@@HOTD108_ Everything makes so much sense now.
This was great. I wish you brought up how 4kids received the international masters from TMS that has (most) of the Japanese text changed to english already. AKA 4kids cut out an english translated sonic boom screen instead and various examples too throughout the series. I wonder if you will catch infamous blank sign censor that was changed again to no sign at all coming up
Also the knuckles and hawk episode had a redubbed line with knuckles and tikal in it(the mystery will be revealed to "the servers are the seven chaos". It could be lost media right now to for the dub.
all anime should have an uncensored versions for all languages. change my mind
Agreed. Censorship is so dumb and unnecessary. Not to mention, in poor tastes.
Finally, Sonic can say shit/j
Would be cool, but it may not be the anime company's choice, especially if a video game company licensed it and wanted it to be done a certain way in certain countries (hence why we Americans will never get an uncut version of the Pokemon anime, as Nintendo of America will demand the anime stay censored because they want to keep the franchise's target audience as young children).
@@jeremyriley1238 yes that right. If you tell Funimation about this other anime that people wanted they will just refused it
Him: the 4kids dub changed the opening
Me: so ur saying the opening in my child hood is a lie? Man I'm sad I actually enjoyed the opening
I mean, they did the same thing with Pokemon, but the US opening of the Indigo League is one of the greatest openings of all time. Even censor crazy 4kids can make a good theme song
I actually think the 4kids opening is the best sonic opening. One of my favorite song. Lol
I’ve heard two versions of the English. One that was ear bleedingly bad of where it just repeats Sonic X over and over again and the Gotta go Fast one. I love the latter one. XD
At least 4kids can make some banger ops
NOOO
11:12 I know this isn't really about censorship. But if you look closely at the painting when the teacher stares at it. For a split second, it turns back into the original painting from the Japanese version.
I was watching the UK release of sonic X on DVD. And it happens at exactly 15 minutes into the episode.
For some reason on Netflix some original Japanese episode titles are kept.
yeah interesting
It’s not just that TONY is close to SONY. The anime explicitly chose that as a parody of Sony.
You forgot the scene in Cracking Knuckles where Amy swings her piko piko hammer into the cage robot. The scene with electric lighting? 4kids shortened it because Amy's underwear is shown.
Isnt it always showing even in the dub
@@434444334 not really. but her panties are shown a hell alot more in games.
@@434444334
If I remember this correctly, they cover it up, but then show it anyways like a frame later or something.
I mean it makes sense since Amy's canon age is 12.
@@VinnyLovesYou the panty shots aren't sexualized though
F now i want an actual dubbing of Sonic X which doesnt change anything because GOSH DARN MAN the Japanese Version is leauges above the 4kids one the only thing better I believed 4kids did is Gotta Go Fast.
Agreed
4kids removes text from their shows no matter what language it is in so that they can more easily localise the shows to languages other than English.
10:37 That's because you are looking at smear frames, which are primarily meant to convey motion. That's exactly why Sonic looks so stretched, because the frames weren't meant to be seen as still images.
They did it with in the Shadow the Hedgehog game with said characters jump animation
Honestly, The Gun/Laser Thing Never Bothered Me.
It fits pretty well for the most part since GUN and Eggman both used lasers extensively in the games
And I guess lasers are just more fun then guns.
I'm OK with it for robots and/or jets and such, but for weapons that are visibly normal guns, I have a problem with that.
@elijah yeah same here. or the text removal. but the music and some edits.
@@slimeslaggagedon794Yeah but in the games they're visibly using lasers, but in Sonic X the guns are very obviously real guns firing actual bullets, so the sound effects are super distracting and don't match.
why does your channel have under 10k
oh and since you like shaman king, do 4kids and shaman king
When you see a character changing shape between frames of animation, it's not an error, it's a stretch or a squash or a smear. It's ear to ease your eyes or to comunicate speed/hardness/squishyness/etc...
You're not really suppose to see those. But we live in the internet age now... And reviewer are going in slowmotion...
I thought that Dr. Eggman named his base Chaos Control because it was created to induce chaos control. At least, that's how I always interpreted that name.
Comparing 4KIDS English Dub of Sonic X and the Japanese Sonic X is pretty much spot the difference at this point lmao
4kidz being so stuck on taking out _text_ in the backgrounds is almost funny, if not pitiful
Because Al Kahn saying Kids Don’t Read!
My massive hatred for 4Kids grows more each year, even if they don't exist anymore.
How on earth is Sonic "controversial" now especially with having the highest grossing film based on a video game of all time?
Damn 4th chaos emerald
Sonic Synergy
Being successful doesn't automatically dispel being controversial. (See: The richest people in the world, companies, politicians, etc.)
With Sonic in particular, it's moreso the general perception of the brand by the wider Internet. Seeing it as really something of an incoherent joke. Although that opinion isn't as prevalent as it used to be.
@@cdscissor nah plenty of people don't see Sonic as a joke.
@@jacksonteller3973 "Although that opinion isn't as prevalent as it used to be"
Not sure if this video series will reach the space arc section (with cosmos, robot aliens, etc.), but what shocked me was that they showed flashbacks of the alien creatures dying with blood leaking out and sonic was gravely injured with blood coming out. This was on 4Kids. As a kid watching that and used to having censorship, seeing blood made me realize that arc was way more serious than previous arcs.
Luckily the Netflix version has the recap parts
I always skip the recaps cause I never really care about that
@@bleepblock2177 ikr I hate recaps in things it's like "Our viewers all have short term memory loss, time for a recap"
@@carlwebber4094 Nope, recaps are made because episodes would air once a week. so its good to refresh your memory
Is the text kept?
PS: The original titles were kept too.
This is a great series, both Sonic X and your going over its many edits. Great job dude, thanks for all your hard work!
thank you so much for making these videos!!
4KIDS: Oh no, the kids, are in danger, *censores everywhere Cuz he's the mother or the childs*
Cartoon Network: Bro, let's add an Regular Show episodes with gun and war
Some of these I can understand, even if I disagree with a lot of it.
I don't understand why they felt the need to remove literally any text they could find.
4Kids would flat out remove Rouge from the entire show if she wasn’t so present
15:44 because the Japanese aren't so easily offended apparently. That and probably because kids wouldn't get it anyway.
4kids, "How's the editing?"
Animator, "I found we can cut 5 seconds of this fight scene to allow better motion."
4Kids, "And what about the text in the background?"
Animator, "...Why do we need to remove the tex..."
4Kids, "GET OUT!"
Animator, "W-What?!"
4Kids, "We can't have kids reading! What good are cartoons if kids could just stare in the background?"
Too accurate.
We need a sonic x Kai of sorts. It could keep the Japanese ost, billboard text, and proper text translations for signs and such, but keeps the swears and sex jokes censored, as sonic is still a kids franchise, which could be very jarring to most people.
Exactly, why does hearing them throw swears cool? Uh nah man, I don't even want Shadow throwing swears like that
@@kidkatanatv
Why? You don't want to hear about the damn FOURTH Chaos Emerald?
@@espurrseyes42 Nah man, keep that in the dark ages lol
BUT IT IS HILARIOUS SEEING A SONIC CHARACTER SWEARING OR SEEING SOMETHING!
The french dub is sort of that
Well, whenever April hits. Happy 20th anniversary to Sonic X
I remember hearing the reason why all the text is removed is because 4Kids sells their license to other countries and so they don't want anyone to be confused.
Or maybe, and hear me out on this, the reason 4Kids censors so much is probs cause it's meant *for kids*.
@@anarchistponcho8689 What does that have to do with my comment? 4Kids censoring shit in the first place is ridiculous.
15:31 in the JP version she actually says “So you’re into S&M huh.
You better look it up because I’m not saying it
10:33 It's not actually weird, this is one of the animation principles called squash and stretch!
Sonic in this shot is stretching, so the animators exaggerate his movement to stretch out. To balance this when as he hits the ground he also squashes!
It is also mixed with anticipation. This is not an error.
I remember watching this. The entire time I was just thinking: "this is weird. I love it."
the "you like to play rough" joke is on the same level of a lot of family oriented movie jokes that go over kids heads but become very clear as an adult (seriously, go back to some kid friendly movies you watched as a kid. you will never be the same)
Great video😏👍🏾
Imagine if Omega was in Sonic X
He would probably try to shoot Sonic for congratulating himself over his friends and rivals when they were (wrongfully) upset with him as if he were mean to them (re: Knuckles like in episodes 5, 11 & 41)?
Imagine if they adapted Sonic heroes
Lol I remember I laughed so hard when I heard Sonic saying “shit”
HAH
haha so I didn’t mishear when he said that
14:23
R34 artists: Notes taken.
Another thing: I didn't remember what Rouge said in the Japanese Dub of episode 11, So I legitimately kept saying "No!" For 10 seconds.
12:02 "We cordially invites you" is Engrish, but 4kids could've just blanked out the s in "invites" and it would've been fine
Edit: Actually, I guess there's other issues with it
With the scene of Cream calling the robot cute, technically the robot is way younger than her lol
Imagine you're walking on a city and you see a lot of blank signs around you
The saddest thing about the audio changes is that the final hazard bio lizard fight is generic sonic X music for the English but Japan got live and learn
Thank you for the comparisons! Fun fact: discotek media re licensed both the USA and the Japanese version now recently on blu ray (separately for each version) 💙💙
6:53 That's a parody of Dunlop tires which also might be why it was removed. I don't think it would cause a legal issue with how different it is but they might not have still not wanted to reference real brands.
in Yugioh one of Kaiba's monsters was called "Twilight Zone Dragon" not surprised at all that one got changed.
HOODZ: This was a great look into the changes 4Kids made. However, some of the text and image edits I don't think were the doing of 4Kids. The Japanese episodes I saw on Hulu also had text removed, yet still left in some things 4Kids DID change. So I think TMS provided masters with no text so the dubbers could add in their own more easily. The problem is that most of the time, 4Kids did nothing and it lead to some awkward moments in the dub.
Anyway, great video, left a like and we will subscribe to you as well.
I still love the dub, mainly because it's a strong childhood memory
Fair enough
Stuff like crude language, violence and suggestive content appear to be typically accepted/standard in Japanese kids television. That probably explains the rather adult stuff in the original Japanese dub.
It’s still kinda weird that they did that weird seduction joke with Cream in that baseball episode though.
@David Silverman Ouch yeah thats a no for me. That was kinda weird to say the least. I dont mind off color jokes here as long as its sparce and not spammed every 2 seconds.
I'm just gonna copy here what I wrote on a similar comment: yes, she's flirting with a robot (and it was done as a joke or game strategy, not for real), but what exactly about that was in any way "weird" or "lewd"? The close up of her mouth, her big eyes? Really I can't understand. She wasn't even being sexual, from what I got she just told the robot it's "cute", something a 6-year-old could definitely do.
I feel like you forgot to mention how in the Japanese version, Eggman's robots are just called "E-whatever", while in the English dub all of Eggman's robots save the E-90 have creative names.
Did 4Kids have something against words being shown?
The direct translation of what Sonic says in the infiltration episode is "Shit... Let's go!"
I grew up watching the latin spanish dub of Sonic X in Mexico, and I loved it but I honestly cannot go back to it or the 4kids dub once I saw the superior japanese version. I love Sonic X and the story it tries to tell with these characters.
I Looked it up and the R, H, E on the baseball scoreboard stand for Run, Hit, and Error.
Any japanese animations: (has words)
4Kids: WE DONT READ!
The last shot of Eggman's tower collapsing was definitely shortened cause of 9/11
afaik, japanese culture just isn't as ashamed of sexuality as most western cultures are. that's not to say that they are more prone to perversion (i think we all know exactly just how degenerate we can be), they're just less apprehensive about expressing it.
Yeah I know
Sonic said the S word? WATCH YOUR MOUTH SONIC THE HEDGEHOG
There's a very minor but noticeable edit in episode 3. In the JP version during the scene where the police get beaten by Eggman and tell them their leader is the president, one of the policemen has a burn hole in the back of his pants which was covered up in the English release.
1 Blink 80 fast is a great name for the song.
Thanks!
I Really appreciate you doing these videos, Sonic X was my introduction to Sonic back in 2009 when I was 8, and Sonic X was among my earliest anime shows that I’ve watched.
Then I remembered a couple years latter around 2011 or 2012 that I then discovered the Japanese dub, and I realized several differences such as the openings, the endings, the eye catchers, scenes that where a few seconds longer, as well as lines that where a bit different.
Though I didn’t realized that they change the bullet sounds or that a lot of english text where removed or that there where a lot more scenes where shorten.
I guess because it felt so ordinary to me, that I didn’t really noticed it.
Have you ever watched the Japanese version on Hulu? It's not perfect, but it's better than the dub. What I do notice from the Japanese version on Hulu is that there's no text during the opening and ending sequences, title cards or eyecatches, the next episode previews are absent, and the moment from episode one that has a screen showing what a Sonic Boom is has English text. I'm not sure what other changes there are between the original Japanese airing and the Japanese version available on Hulu.
That’s odd. The eyecatchers with the cards were there. At least that’s how I remember it
@@ToonyTails Actually, I meant that it has eyecatchers, but with no text.
Yeah interesting
You also forgot to point out during episode 5 that in the Japanese version when Amy smacks the robot from the inside it shows her panties but in the Dub it replaced it with shocking flash around the room
INCLUDING to cover you know what! Lol
"Grab your favorite chili dog", kinda ironic considering Sonic X is the rare piece of animated Sonic media where he DOESN'T eat chilli dogs
If only funimation or viz media got the rights to this anime instead of 4kids
Yeah I know
12:25 This has been on my mind for a long time.
Amy in the Japanese dub and Amy in 4Kids are two completely different characters
I think when they talk about “chaos control” with the eggman base I think it’s referring to the light coming out of the base. I mean knuckles does guard the emerald so I think he would def know about chaos and what you can do with the emeralds. So when Amy asks “what’s that” when a giant light is coming from the base it makes more sense for knuckles to say “it used to be chaos control” as in chaos control went haywire and kinda teleported everyone instead of just sonic.
I use to watch "Sonic X" when I was a Kid, but now Growing up and watching it again as an Adult, I can see why this Show has so much Negativity over the Years, it's probably because of the Terrible Voice Acting (except for Jason Griffith, Dan Green and Mike Pollen, they were Okay), the annoying Original Trumpet Music that plays every 5 Seconds (makes Squidward's Claranet Musics look like a Masterpiece) and the messy Censorship.
Edit: Everything 4Kids has done they always Butcherd the original Japanese Content, I'm so very Glad they went out of Buissness.
The English dub should of stayed true to the Japanese :( I hate that so many things got cut
It was a different time back then. For anime to succeed in the west some shows mainly Pokemon, Yu-Gi-Oh, One Piece and Sonic X had to take the bullets.
Now those dark times are over except for Yu-Gi-Oh they still have a leash on them.
Japanese titles: *Are long*
English titles: The japanese titles are to long, let's make em' shorter.
Ah yes, 4Kids making as much sense as always. At least they kept the guns and didn't turn them into finger guns like they did in Yu-Gi-Oh XD
JP:Shit Let's Go!
EN-US:Cream Hang On!
PT-BR: Cream aguenta firme!
I Don't Speak Portuguese
@@CosmicSponge2004 English could've just used crap instead. (If it was redubbed)
FR: Suis-moi, faut courir.
translation: Follow me, we need to run.
@@mael08number24 Oh.
Ok who asked
I always thought Knuckles' line from the beginning of Episode 1 that 'it used to be Chaos Control' was an implication that something interfered with the initiation of Chaos Control causing the built up energy to do something other than what it's supposed to do. I never got the impression that it was a misuse of the term.
Same I rewatched it...still up in the air about that
Honestly, I thought he was saying that the explosion thing was chaos control, which would have made sense had he not said “it used to be”. That part confused me
6:13, 6:15 Talk about cursing in the Uncut Japanese version.
On Netflix in Canada they must of used the dub audio and every thing AND I MEAN EVERY THING else is from the uncut Japanese version
I'm not sure where you're getting that from,
I just checked Netflix in Canada and it's still got lots of cut stuff.
Hmm idk what I was saying
The reason why 4Kids removed the splash screen is most likely because they had Sam say what a Sonic Boom was. "A sonic boom! He's moving faster than the speed of sound!"
Ngl this makes me wanna watch the sub now. Never saw it before, but probably will lol
a weird thing I noticed if you look at the frames when sonic is grabing the poster he falls down faster in the oringinal
It would be interesting to see how much time 4kids trimmed of the whole series
I wish you could check out the short 4kids dub of Bistro Recipe called fighting foodons here
5:16 I could've sworn I saw that sonic boom definition screen when I watched the 4Kids dub.
Maybe some of the non-English languages got it?
While I can't say I'm a fan of the Sonic franchise, I recently remembered this anime was a thing I watched back when I was a kid, at the time I didn't know about Anime and assumed it was of American origin.
I went digging and found out it's Japanese and my god do I now despise what 4kids did to this show, especially after season 2. They outright changed parts of the story and even used different offscreen character voices in parts compared to the original, and if you liked Cosmo this was especially bad as they removed a key part of the story concerning her demise, completely unneeded, I hate stuff like this.
Gonna be rewatching the show in Japanese later, and I'm gonna have a laugh at the dub changes while I'm at it.