This Hidden Message in the Bible has FINALLY Been Deciphered
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In this video, I explain what I think the hidden message means in Mark's miraculous feeding narratives, specifically relating to significance behind the number of leftover baskets.
Praise be Jesus Christ Now and Forever!!!! Amen
Brilliant Logan, brilliant! Thank you.
Absolutely informed, for it all comes together with a strangely coherent clarity at the end. Thank you very much, brother in Jesus our Lord. Amen.
🤯 That's amazing about the words used for basket! Thank you for making this video, Logan!
Thanks for watching!!
Seven in the Bible means "completeness" It could represent the complete Church. All of believers of the nations.
Seven church ages in Revelation
Context of how connecting passages inform each other’s reading is something that can be easily missed in verse-by-verse studies.
Mark is full of this model of 2 passages sandwiching a middle passage that gives commentary on them. Romans is another clear instance where structure helps the reader discern meaning.
While the Bible is truth and is based on events I wholeheartedly believe are real, it’s important to remember that’s it’s recorded as literature. So not only is it important what details are put down but also how they are.
Thanks for your comment! So often I think we are focused on the events themselves that we forget to pay attention to the amazing ways that the evangelists recorded them to get across important theological messages.
The reason why Jesus fed the crowds was because there was a famine in the land and Jesus was performing miracles so that they could see with their own eyes that he was the Son of God and yet his disciples had little Faith.
AMEN & AMEN ❤
What I came to understand is the 12 baskets represented the House of Israel (the 12 Tribes) and the 7 baskets represented the 7 Gentile Churches in Revelation.
The one Church in Revelation who seemed to shine out was the Philadelphia....
Christ condemns the persecutors and encourages the Church of Philadelphia. He tells its members that if they remain faithful, they will receive his protection in the “hour of trial”. Christ promises: “I have set before you an open door which no man can shut; for you have little power, and you have kept my word and have not denied my name.”
It also says they would get to eat of the "HIDDEN MANNA". I call this the deeper meanings of scripture that only the
spirit filled (RIGHTEOUSNESS/HOLINESS OF SPIRIT - ruach haKodesh of our Eternal Creator Father who is SPIRIT) person can see and hear and learn. Blessing to all the brethren across the nations of YaHshua our Messiah, beloved and begotten Firstborn Son of YaHoVeH Elohim.
I wonder if the 7 really means the seven continents of the world.
The woman did not outwit God.
I agree! In the video, I explain that when Jesus appears to “change his mind,” it’s actually because the condition for helping her had already been met (via the first feeding).
7 Churches in Rev chp 2&3
Lost sheep of the House of Israel
Woman did not "out wit". She spoke wisely
That was a very well thought through, almost detective like study and presentation. Well done, some brilliant points made. Thank you
excellent! you deserve way more subs and you just got one from me :)
The word translated as dogs or little dogs is a word used to described a house pet. A small breed of dog used for companionship like a lapdog. Not just feral dogs or working dogs
Haven't seen one of your videos in a while It's nice.😊
I like the mixed media that you're using but also the whiteboard style probably able to use a app for that now or at least I had gotten one of those before so if you didn't know you could get a a pp for it you know now.
We should hang out and talk again It's been a while
Thanks for watching! Long time no talk. I haven’t been on VR in a while cuz my left controller is broken lol.
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That sucks that your controller broke. I haven't been on a while due to work but also I wasn't able to talk to the longest time because my internet was screwy
Seven churches in revelation
At, 7:45 No one Outwitts Jesus (God). I'm no one to speak for God but, , , He may have controlled the conversation that way to make His point known , as in another example. God doesn't make Mistakes!
Interesting about the 7 Baskets & 7 Canaanite tribes. Also, Revelation has 7 lampstands, 7 angles of the 7 churches of Asia. Hmm going out into the wider world, not just Semites?
Yeah some scholars have argued that seven represents the seven churches from Revelation. The tricky thing about this interpretation is that you’d need to argue that Revelation had already been written, otherwise there would be no way for the audience to understand the symbol of the seven baskets
12: the number of government.
24 (2x 12) the number of kingly government.
12 also equals the 12 disciples (carrying the message of the bread of life)
And 12 tribes, per original analogy.
7 - the number of churches, candlesticks, gentiles.
But one LORD.
As for the unmentioned FISH (The Disciples hauled 153 fish. 153 = Sons of God) being taken - snatched - to the Supper of the Lamb ALREADY prepared.
its almost like someone who was really into numerology wrote it that way.
@@DeconvertedMan End to End, 66 books. All mathematically integrated to 50 billion decimal places. That's just surface stuff. th-cam.com/video/Aye8q9tIrws/w-d-xo.html
The real hidden message is at the very start of the bible, "Once upon a time" ;) Anyway, numerology was a thing Jewish people were/are into. How did you get the drawing dude to draw your stuff? I'd like to do that for a video of mine sometime.
Thanks for watching! I use an app called Doodly. When I first searched it, it only had subscriptions which were like $40 a month, which was too expensive for me. But then, after looking it up, I later got an ad for it as a one time purchase on a huge discount for $60. So I got it.
The way it works is that I Google drawings of various topics, upload them into the app, and then trace the path that I want the video to “draw” the picture. It takes about three to ten minutes to create one of those drawing clips.
@@loganpeterjones yikes I wouldn't do a subscription thing - you got lucky!
7 continents also.
So the gentiles are probably the 10 tribes of Israel, not of the House of Judah / Benjamine. Jesus said: -I came only for the lost cheap of israel!
Hi Logan. I have a few questions.
1. If we accept your theory of the 12 & 7, isn't it possible that this was actually the gospel author's reasoning, rather than that of Jesus' and the reason he invented the stories?
2. If Jesus ministered to the gentiles in the Decapolis, why is he quoted as saying he came only to the Jews?
3. Your interpretation of the meaning behind Jesus' initial refusal to heal the woman's daughter rests on your interpretation of the meaning of the feeding of the multitudes. Do you not agree that both interpretations must therefore be true for your theory to be correct and that either one of them could be wrong and that this would negate the whole theory?
Furthermore, do you not agree that there is no actual evidence to support your idea, only your belief in Christianity, in the truth of the gospels and in the authors being eyewitnesses?
What I see here is absolutely not the deciphering of the Bible, or even of a small part of it. It is theory based upon conjecture, based upon interpretation and, amazingly, seems to largely rest upon the author using two different words for basket. In an area where we have so many examples of cross cultural exchange in every human sphere, are we even sure the Jews used a different basket and no-one else used it?
Honestly, Logan, I get that you believe and you are intelligently searching for truth but shouldn't demonstrable fact play a part in your reasoning? Where are the facts and the evidence?
If your god loves us and wants us to freely choose him an thus avoid the eternal torture he (weirdly) reserves for those who are not convinced, why would he make it so difficult to find the truth?
If the very soul of all of humanity relies upon believing in Jesus as the only path to salvation, why is so much not only open to interpretation but reliant upon it and reliant upon finding hidden meanings?
It's almost as if this loving god doesn't actually want everyone to be saved, only a few who either work it all out or beleive unquestioningly and that this god is ok with burning the rest of us.
You bring up a lot of interesting points. Let me address them as well as I can.
1. You’re right, it is possible that it’s just the author’s reasoning, rather than real meaning behind the historical event itself. In this video, I’m engaging in literary criticism, so I’m only seeking to explain Mark’s meaning, rather than the meaning behind the historical event. Papias, one of our earliest sources who talks about the composition of the gospels, says that Mark wrote the stories of Jesus that he heard from Peter, but that he didn’t write them in order. Therefore, I think the order he did choose to write them gives us clues to his own theological message he is trying to portray, rather than that he’s simply following the order that the events happened. As a result, paying attention to the precise order of the feedings and the story with the Syrophonecian woman helps us understand Mark’s theology. This is entirely unrelated to the reliability of the Gospels. While I do believe in the general historical reliability of the Gospels, that’s not what this video is about.
2. This is a good question. I see Jesus’s ministry as offering salvation to the Jews, and when they reject him as messiah and his offer, he opens up a new covenant with Gentiles. Even though Jesus says he came for the Jews, he has some interactions with gentiles in every Gospel, and surprisingly he often praised them as having more faith than the Jews. I think one point of the gospels is to show why a covenant was opened up to the gentiles, even though Jesus came primarily to the Jews.
3. I don’t think both interpretations have to be true for my understanding of the Feedings to be true. Even if my interpretation of the Syrophoenician woman is wrong, the interpretation of the Feedings can still stand on its own merit. Even if my identification of the number 7 is wrong, there are numerous other proposals that would lead to the same result (such as that seven represents the number of completeness, or that it represents the seven churches from Revelation).
4. I don’t think the two different words for baskets is the strongest argument for a Jewish and then gentile feeding. I think the geographical locations of the two feedings is the strongest argument for that.
5. Why doesn’t God just reveal himself to everyone clearly? I think he would only do that if his ultimate goal is for people to believe. But I don’t think that’s his ultimate goal. Throughout the Bible, it seems that God’s ultimate goal is for people to have a change of heart and to be filled with love and humility. I think that God’s appearing blatantly to everyone would not necessarily help more people achieve this goal.
@@loganpeterjones An excellent reply.
I really appreciate your honest motivation and reasoning. You are urged by your faith to hold certain views and I understand that but you are not closed minded and I like that.
Although I do not agree with some of your reasoning or conclusions, you are using intelligent enquiry and not just parroting apologist dogma and that is to your credit.
For my own part, I am always happy to admit that my arguments against religion are based upon my own conclusions and personal feelings after 40+ years as an adult interested in the subject (65 in a few weeks 😡).
I do not know everything, nor do I consider myself an authority on the subject. I am just as likely to be wrong as anyone else.
I have never told anyone they are wrong to believe nor would I ever state that there is definitely no God.
I dislike being labelled with negatives and prefer to call myself a humanist but essentially I am an agnostic atheist.
I do not and cannot 'know' there is no God but I do not 'beleive' there is.
The only caveat is that I see the god of the Bible to be a truly awful figure and not only am I convinced he is fictitious, I am thankful for it.
I differentiate between the possibility of a deistic God and the mythology found in a collection of books written by men, based upon older cultures and beliefs of wider south west Asia and rooted in the brutality and ignorance of the times.
The first I think is possible if not necessarily probable. The second I am convinced is an evil, despotic tyrant and, happily, impossible.
I have another possible explanation for the New Testament and strong views on Christianity but I will hold all that back for another time, to keep you in suspense. 😁
Thank you again.
@@theoutspokenhumanist Thanks for the compliments!
I’m surprised to hear you talk about how awful the “God of the Bible” since, as a non-Christian, I assume you don’t believe the Bible was written by a single author, but by a number of different authors hundreds of years apart, each depicting their own understanding of who God is. It sounds strange to me because it would be like if I said, I disagree with the morals of Western philosophers. Since there are so many different philosophers, it would be strange to act as if they all have the same set of morals. I’m sure you don’t dislike the portrait of God given by every single biblical author, right?
And also, just to understand you, are you saying you think it might be possible that a deistic God exists?
@@loganpeterjones You sum up my thoughts very well.
A word of caution. You are really not going to like my answers. Please know that I do not say anything with the intention of upsetting or insulting you. Whilst I do not agree with you, I absolutely respect your right to believe whatever you wish and I consider you intelligent and rational enough to encounter things unpleasant without being unduly affected. And so ….
I think the twin notions of univocality and God-given inerrancy are nonsense.
To demonstrate, I would refer to things we know are not just wrong but impossible, like the creation myth, the flood and the tower.
I would add things that modern archaeology is consistently demonstrating to be false, like the exodus and the conquest of the promised land.
Even the New Testament has problems; Gospel authors basing stories on incorrectly understood scripture,. The same authors incorrectly quoting older scripture. Radically different details in gospels,. Conflict between gospel history and what we know from other sources. And, above all, the invention of a brand-new god, which Christians pretend to be the same god of Abraham but who has an entirely different personality. Sorry.
I’m not sure if I dislike the image of God given by every author but I can’t think of one I like right now. Certainly, the ones who describe his behaviour most clearly, paint a truly appalling picture.
A genocidal god? I can understand fearing him but loving him?
Even the Christian God is terrible. The idea that God gave us free will so that we might choose him but is willing to condemn billions of people to everlasting torture if they do not love him or were raised in places and communities where they were not able or free to learn about him, is as mind-blowing in its evil, as a god who punishes all mankind for the minor crime of two people and who is happy to inflict punishment on children and children’s children for the actions of a forebear.
Until very recently, Catholic doctrine stated that all unbaptised children went to purgatory, forever. Imagine being a true believer at any time in the last 2000 years and losing a newborn (with infant mortality often as high as 50%) and then being told that your baby will never reach heaven. I know other Christian sects do not believe that but for much of history, Catholicism was Christianity and it persecuted and killed anyone who had differing opinions. I accept that was the will of men, not God but why didn’t God speak to his representative on earth and say, “you think what? Are you insane?”
Why did the God of love provide rules for slavery instead of telling everyone it was wrong?
Why does he allow evil at all?
OK, one rant over. On to the next. It's a cracker. 😁
I think the idea of a deistic god is highly unlikely but infinitely more plausible than a theistic god.
Christian theism expects us to believe a god created the universe ex nihilo, with a magic trick. A universe so vast we do not even know its true size or its nature and yet what we can see is too big for our minds to grasp. A universe inimical to human life everywhere expect a few limited places on one planet orbiting a middle-sized star; one of billions in one galaxy among billions of galaxies. That he then waited for billions of years while stars burned out and exploded, sending their heavier atoms into space to be formed by gravity into new stars and planets. That he then waited for millions of years before creating life on one of those planets and millions more years before granting one species enough intelligence to know him (unless we are gullible enough to believe the earth to be 6000 years old and everything began in a garden) and even then, he only revealed himself to a few people in a tiny corner of south west Asia, allowing the rest of humanity to muddle along ignorant of him.
This omniscient God knew what was coming but he let mankind go astray, whilst all the time planning to wipe them out, along with all the innocent animals. After that, he had a personal relationship with just a single group of people among all mankind and chose to communicate with them via a handful of men writing stories and having prophetic visions whilst hiding himself from the world. And as he hid himself, he knew what would happen and he not only set his chosen people to commit genocide in order to own land he had promised them but didn’t keep free of others, he also set other nations upon them, killing hundreds of thousands, repeatedly, to teach them a lesson. Later he decided that all mankind was guilty of the sin of two people from a long time ago and the only way he could forgive them was to impregnate someone else’s girlfriend, have them raise his son and then have him killed as a sacrifice.
And this god did all this whilst being omniscient, omnipotent and (this makes me laugh) omnibenevolent.
As I feel sure you have recognised, I have been deliberately provocative, for effect. I know you would not describe the events of the Bible in this way but I’m equally sure you will find nothing dishonest or factually incorrect in my depiction.
Honestly, I find it hard to accept that any intelligent person could possibly believe any of it. But, over and above all of it, what causes me to shake my head in sad bafflement is how anyone could read the Bible and still believe God loves us.
I told you, you wouldn’t like it 😁
@@theoutspokenhumanist You bring up a lot of issues! I’ll just briefly give you my thoughts. As to the inspiration of scripture, I likewise have difficulty with the idea of univocality and inerrancy. I think it’s perfectly reasonable to have difficulty with those teachings, and I affirm neither. In my next video, which will hopefully come out on Monday, I’ll talk a little bit about my doctrine of scripture. But in short, I believe that God’s covenant with his people is inspired, and I believe that Scripture (or as it’s referred to in the Greek, the “writings”) is an anthology of those texts that have proven to be the most important witness of people’s experiences being part of this covenant. Not everyone in this covenant has the same experiences or the same understandings of God, but by reading all the texts as a whole, it is possible to get big picture ideas of what this covenant is like and who this God is. I think (based on my own experience of the work of the Spirit) that when the Holy Spirit does give someone ideas or theological knowledge, the Spirit does not usually elucidate historical or scientific knowledge, but that people tend to fit these ideas into their own historical or scientific outlook. I think there is much rich theology that can be gleaned from stories in the OT, such as the creation or the exodus, without these stories having to be strictly historical. I think that many of the “horrors” that atheists point to in the OT are the result of treating them as literal, historical narratives. For example, how could God destroy millions of people in the flood, or help the Israelites conquer the canaanites, wiping out entire tribes? If you read it as a straightforward historical narrative, then it’s easy to see as problematic. I tend to read these narratives as simpler stories in which the bad guys are stereotyped. For example, no one would call Tolkien a moral monster simply because he wrote a story about an entire population of orcs being slaughtered in which the orcs were demonized and treated as completely soulless. To read too much into that would be to miss the values the story is trying to teach, such as the importance of friendship, overcoming temptation, and the dangers of greed. I think we should likewise look for the moral lessons in OT stories rather than harping on the gravity of details that the author did not intend to be a key part of the moral lesson.
Next, you talk about the problems with the doctrine of hell. TBH, I think the doctrine of hell is the most difficult aspect of Christianity, and I’m still working out my own doctrine. There are certainly passages that appear to teach eternal torment, but there are other passages that almost sound like annihilationism, and others still which sound like they are saying everyone will be saved (e.g. Romans 5:18). I haven’t quite figured out what to do with these different descriptions of the judgment, and I still have a lot of research to do. However, assuming the traditional view of hell, I would say that there are different levels of punishment based on the person’s own sins in this life (Lk. 12:48), and I would also say that, being eternal beings, it is only just that we would spend an eternity in a place that suits us. It wouldn’t make sense to let sinners spend eternity in heaven, because then heaven would no longer be perfect. The suitable place for an imperfect being would be an imperfect place.
Also, regarding Adam and inherited sin, I tentatively hold the view that we do not inherit Adam’s sin, but that we replicate it. I see Adam (lit. “Man”) as an archetypal figure. Paul says, Romans 5:12 NASB95
Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned.” Therefore, the reason we are condemned through Adam is that we follow in Adam’s footsteps by disobeying God’s command.
Regarding creation, the fact is that the universe does have a beginning (though perhaps one could argue that before the beginning of this universe, the material already existed from a previous universe). To me, creation ex nihilo is tricky, but no less tricky than saying the universe has always existed, or saying it came into existence uncaused. Any theory about the origin of the universe is hard to imagine, and I don’t think the theistic version is any less hard to imagine than any naturalistic theory. As to why would God wait so long before creating humans? I’ve never understood this objection. I don’t see how that’s a problem.
There are no "hidden messages" in the bible. You can tear any work of fiction apart and claim you found a "hidden messages." Back in the 60s people worked feverishly to find hidden Satanic messages in the lyrics, even going so far as to play the records backwards. There never were any "hidden messages" there, either.
The bible is just like every work of fiction. It's art, so you can interpret the words, and their meaning, in any way you wish. It's people like you that always say, "It's ME. I DID it. I found the hidden messages." In every case, including this one, there is no "hidden messages" to find.
12 represents the 12 tribes and 7 represents all. Jews and gentiles. Jesus mission would go from being first to Israel to being to all. 7 being Gods number of completeness.
I do think that’s a possible interpretation. When researching for this video, I came across various proposals for the meaning of 7, including that it signifies the number of completeness, the seven churches from Revelation, the seven gifts of the Spirit, or the seventh nations of the Gentiles. But one reason I like the possibility that is signifies the seven nations of Canaan is that it would make it more parallel to the number twelve, which would make sense since the stories themselves are so parallel.
@@loganpeterjones , and, of course, it’s possible that you’re right but you are right about the story explaining the two feedings of the multitudes. It was clearly for the Jews then for the Gentiles. I just believe 7 means to everyone because all through scripture the number 7 is used as Gods number for completeness or wholeness. There is also the fact that the Gospel is now offered to everyone. Great video! It has made me think about the subject.
Thanks for your comment, and I think your interpretation could possibly be right. Thanks again for watching!
Well you have to digress disagree with you and one thing the woman was a Canaanite according to the Bible and she did not outsmart Jesus she was humbling herself in the holy Bible it talks about this clearly I don't see how that is confusing Jesus said in that scripture that I don't think you made it clear you were talking about the children but Jesus was talking about the lost sheep of Israel only in that scripture the Canaanite woman understood she was not a Jew she understood that she was not part of the flaw that he had come for in that time and era she understood that she was a Canaanite woman she understood that even if she can have the crumbs The leftovers are the children of Israel and hopes to have her daughter saved from the demon so really the woman was showing faith in Christ she wasn't outsmarting Jesus Christ is the Lord God you can't outsmart God Jesus knew what she was doing and he did heal her daughter from the demon possession but you need to understand what the scripture say God bless you I hope this helps Jesus bless bye-bye
I agree. In the video, I argue that she was a Canaanite. And I agree she didn’t outwit Jesus. And I agree she understood she was not a Jew.
@@loganpeterjones The woman described in the miracle, the Syrophoenician woman (Mark 7:26; Συροφοινίκισσα, Syrophoinikissa) is also called a "Canaanite" (Matthew 15:22; Χαναναία, Chananaia) and is an unidentified New Testament woman from the region of Tyre and Sidon
@@user-es3sz5xr1g I agree. I said all of that in the video.
@@user-es3sz5xr1g lol did you even watch the video?
Stay out of Israel documents
What do you mean?
We Atheists have know the Secret Message right along.
The secret message is "Sucker!"
What's your opinion regarding near death experiences?