Balanced Lug Sail, rig setup and test with 20kts gusts and full sail on my Goat Island Skiff
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- Balanced Lug sail rig setup and test on 20kts gusts!!
Three weeks after my Goat Island Skiff launch I'll show you some mods I made on the boat and rig.
Mounted some cam cleats to bring the control lines aft, added a clamcleat to the tiller to adjust and remove the tiller extension more easily, made some seats with 80mm straps, added an out haul and reefing loops.
Then I took Forager out on a really gusty day! the cameras can't show you how much I had to let that sail luff but believe me I honestly thought that that would be the day of my first capsize!!
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"if you can, build a boat. It's awesome!" Okay!
The feeling while sailing it is... build it and find out! 😉
Grandpa taught me a good one, weather picked up, downwind, he dragged all the extra sheets/lines.. Drags the stern for control & actually helps flatten out the sea coming on your arse!
The best sailing video I've ever seen. Someone thinks there is life. Excellent!
Glad you enjoyed it Knurrhahn! 😁
Great.
Thank you
Thank you too!
Freaking awesome 👍
if you liked that...have a look at this one : th-cam.com/video/4_CbrWSJb68/w-d-xo.html 😁
Man I love this!
20 knots and full sail? ... holy crips, dude is going to surf that thing !!!
i would like to see someone with a sailboat, small and light enough to surf, do a before and after review of that Speedcoat-49 bottom paint.
i don't know if that will fit into your budget, schedule, or circumstance ..but keep it in mind, and i will catch up now and again, ( maybe not on your skiff though, that hull finish is too nice as is )
Bloody awesome man. I'm building one. Then you have to teach me to sail it. 😊
Go for it! 😁
your images are being a great help to transform a small boat into a sailboat, thank you very much
Awesome! Glad to help... 🙂
Thanks again for a great lesson on tuning up your rig. 👍👍👍
Hi Fred!
I 'm a noob on Lug sails, so I just try things and see how they work.
So far so good but next year it might all be different already... I have to try it first tho! 😉
Awesome!!!
Thanks!!
You got style, FREE STYLE..... Top video, keep sharing. The force is with you, Balkan Shipyards.
Thanks Rael!! 😂😂
I just try to keep it true to what I experience!
Stay safe!
AWESOME Video Bro !! Cheers 😎
Thanks ✌
If you enjoyed that, check this one out! th-cam.com/video/4_CbrWSJb68/w-d-xo.html 😉
Very instructive mate. You clearly know what you're talking about. Best of luck!
Thanks André!
Another great video! Thank you Teo!
Thanks for watching Robert!
I try my best to show you how I feel about things, no BS here. I'm glad you like it! 😉
I like the way you wing it an make use of whatever you have available. I live quite off-grid in my narrowboat and hardware stores are often far away. So I use mostly what I have :-)
Thank you for the great video ,keep up the good work thanks !
Thanks for your support John! 😉
Beautiful boat!!! Look's like very much fun!
Thank you!
Yes it's a blast to sail! 🙃
Great fun and a beautiful boat. Job well done. 👍🏼
Thank you Gunnar! 🙃
Brilliant. Really ingenious modifications.
Thanks!
It's all just based in ideas gathered from groups and forums really! 😉
So nice! Thx for sharing :)
Your videos and Forager make me smile :) and inspire me. Especially when you say so joyously to build a boat! I restore dinghies, but it’s the same - it’s flipping awesome!
Thanks Holly! 🙂
It was great! Thank you!
Glad you enjoyed it! 😉
How about a series for new balanced lug sailors how to adjust sails for different conditions? Sail shapes.
Hi Chris,
I have had that request a lot but I'm just a rookie when it comes to balanced lugs. I have sailed my skiff hundreds of times now but I had never tried a lug sail before, until 4 years ago when I built the GIS.
I'll consider a very basic video on how I sail my skiff...😅
Great boat, well handled
Thanks! that was the first time in strong winds and full sail with the GIS.
Check this out, 2 years and a few mods later: th-cam.com/video/4_CbrWSJb68/w-d-xo.html
Really enjoying your videos just bought a Caledonian yawl haven't got a clew how to rig it or even sail I'm retired looking at your time on the water fills me with determination to get out there.Thanks .Garry Ireland
Gratz on the acquisition! 💪
You really are awesome dude.
Thanks Nolan, I assure you tho... I'm far from awesome! 😅 just a simple dude on a boat having fun and making videos...
The Goat-Pro mount is really neat.
That was great fun to watch, thanks for the link to the rig, I'm busy building my first boat a Proa and looking at what type of rig to use, a crab claw or lateen but lots to learn so appreciate the details you shared.
Thanks!!
I'm sure each will have Pros and Cons for you. Regardless of what rig you choose just make sure to have tons of fun after!!😁
Keep us posted!!
Man you look like your having one hell of a lot of fun there Teo. If I didn't have a screwed up back I'd build a Goat Island Skiff without even thinking about it. Look's like one hell of a way to enjoy yourself that's for sure. You look as though your clipping along really well there Teo. ..awesome.
It was most definitely one of the best decisions I made in my life!! It's so much fun!! 😁😁😁
A great video! 👍🏻👍🏻🇬🇧
Thank you Karl!!
Wow ! this is such a beautiful boat .
Thank you Ned!
@@TheBoatRambler ha ha .. "guys build a boat " I smiled all the way through the video from that point , great video thanks
Bravo Theo , ça donne vraiment envie !
Thank you Xavier! More to follow soon...😉
Hi, just found you and your project. So nice looking and fast boat it seems! Great job!
Thank you!
She is fast alright! but also a lot more than just that... 😉
Thanks for the tour, and the sailing looked like fun. I agree with the lazy jacks. I had the exact same problem, the jacks solved that.
A few months now since I Installed them and if I could pick only one improvement to make on my GIS the Lazy Jacks would be it!!
@@TheBoatRambler Thanks for all your great videos - an amazing learning resource!
Have you tested the lazy jacks (with the boat in the water) - when they are carrying the full weight of the sailing rig and it is positioned at 90 degrees to the direction of the boat? Based on my experience, if the boom swings outward when there is weight on the lazy jacks, a capsize will follow :)
Hi Don! Thanks for your comment!
Yes I have now extensively tested the lazy jacks. They are probably the best add-on on my GIS! They help when reefing, fishing, beaching and even while running with 30kt winds to fly just a little bit of sail while keeping the boom functional!!
The weight of my yard+ boom together make only about 6lbs, even with the sail all bunched up I can swing all of it out to 90 degrees with no problem whatsoever!
Game changer for me! 😉
th-cam.com/video/AAsspCMaP5o/w-d-xo.html
@@TheBoatRambler Thanks for the reply Teo. Now I'm worried that the weight of my mast is contributing to my instability. My sail/boom/yard weigh 18 lbs but the mast is 28 lbs. You wave your mast around as if it is quite light (and/or you are very strong). Do you know it's weight?
tx, Don
@@BIOL150Camosun The GIS mast was built according to the plans, it's a hollow box mast and weighs around 10kg.
It planes so smoothly
Yes it does! once it starts going it's an awesome feeling! 😎
Nice job on the rigging.
Thanks Sam!
you might want to have a look at the newest rigging videos on my channel, I'm always trying to improve it.😉
Very clever gopro mounts!
Thanks!
They can be used to attach anything to the boat not just cameras. I'll be making two fishing rod holders using that same system!😉
Just subscribed, great videos man, congrats
Thanks for the sub! 😁
Wow🙏🙏🙏
Descobri o canal só agora. Muito bom vídeo. Vou ver desde o princípio!
Obrigado Fernando!
Espero que gostes dos videos anteriores!
Abraço.
Very nice video!! A lot of ideas and reflections on GIS set up. Personally I prefer to avoid lazy Jack as if the wind picks up strong and I need to reef, I prefer to have all the sail inside the hull (no windage). And I really like the camera mount!
Hey Enrico! Thanks!
As you know I have had the GIS only a few weeks, so I need to try a few things to know what works for me.
I really need a clear boat as I want to do fishing, camping etc. We'll see how it goes.
I can see on your videos that you do sailing on rougher waters than me. (great videos btw 😉)
Keep those videos coming buddy!
Cheers!!
@Enrico Did you see the idea of using a fixed loop for the reef rather than an adjustable line. Just clips into a caribiner - brilliant. Then just need to hold the clew down to the boom with something else.
Really liked this one, I’ll definitely going to add an adjustable outhaul on my goat, I am struggling a bit to get a nice shape on the sail while reefed. And the lazy jacks looked much more useful than I envisioned it would, might have a go at that as well..
Glad you liked it!!
All this is experimental, but if we don't try we'll never know! 😉
I do recommend an outhaul on the GIS - the original with the laced foot - an outhaul doesn't work well. But for a loose foot - YES. Not so much for the goose only for reasons of expense. But it is an option there.
Good to try (I can see your experimental approach more clearly now - cool) .. when depowering go really hard on the downhaul as first resort. Crazy tight. That will flatten out the top of the sail which is more effective at reducing heel (and drag - pointing angle always relates to drag from flapping or overfull sails) than flattening out the bottom ... of course the time comes when have to flatten out the bottom as well!
I'm still not convinced about the halyard cleat. Glad you have the lazyjack cleat on the side of the mast that can be a halyard secondary if ever needed. Was it a pure spectra halyard (no outer) or one with a polyester outer.
When I rigged 420s they used a metal Clamcleat CL217mk2 for their halyards they can handle really substantial loads and can take the halyard right out to release. The plastic ones wear out with much load. Combined with a fairlead behind can pull the halyard through the cleat from any point on the boat - as you have done with the outhaul.
Great applications of a fixed loop for reefing. The original idea was to allow to change to a shorter footed sail ... but that is brilliant.
But not as brilliant as the custom GoPro mounts for the GIS. Really really brilliant. Maybe a show and tell on those .. there are quite a few boats with spacered gunwales!
Thanks for your feedback Michael!!
Reefing loops:
I believe the loop idea for reefing was Joost's, I can't take credit for that!
GoPro mount:
I'll check if I have any footage of the building process. It's really simple, just 4 pieces of wood and 4 screws...
The previous halyard was spectra with no outer. All spectra I have has no outer unfortunately. I can't get Spectra with poly outer anywhere in Portugal!!
Downhaul/Outhawl:
When I flattened the bottom of the sail I had the downhaul already maxed out.
My downhaul is made with 2x double blocks + 1 single.
Using 2x triple blocks alone would give me more distance to pull, but I already had those doubles and I don't want to buy any more blocks!!!
If you can build a boat. Best comment ever.
Awesome 😎👍
Thank you! And it was fun although I swear i thought i would capsize a couple of times! 😅
The Video Rambler the steepest part of the learning curve is on the ragged edge 😄
@@randal1470 😁😁
👍👍👍👍👍
This is like sailing porn. Please post more of those perfect shots you got during the sail!!
Maybe I should get red sails!! 😁
Teo great stuff. You are a very competent sailor! When did you even have time to tighten the outhaul in that wind!? During the tack?...ah I see it now! during the tack with the block. You use the Clamcleats from UK? The CF boom seems key...my Spruce boom would be a banana! Also I love the strap seats. I have a large fender for rolling the boat on the beach that I use, but it is only on one side of cockpit.
Hi Clint!
Yes I tightened the outhaul mid tack.
The clam cleats I already had before from another boat, not sure what brand they are but I'll check next time I go sailing.
I had made a wooden boom too but found it would bend too much for a loose foot sail so just used the old windsurf masts to make new carbon spars.
Thanks for watching! 😉
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So if I understand correctly, the lazy jacks tighten up as the sail drops, negating the need for a topping lift. Nice.
For beaching, you might want to have a boom crutch with optional positioning; port quarter, starboard and center. You'll be able to drop sail and keep the boom from swinging in on people. Just a thought.
Hi Mark!
Yes the Lazy Jacks hold the boom, yard and sail once I lower sail.
It is so helpful when reefing, fishing mooring etc...
Have a look at th-cam.com/video/i6O_zwOzXac/w-d-xo.html
Muito legais os seus vídeos. Eu construí um Tirrik do Iain Oughtred que demorou anos aqui no Brasil. Estou terminando este mês.
Parabéns.
Obrigado Rafael!
O tirrik parece ser um belo barco, mas que dá um pouco mais de trabalho a construir que o GIS.
Força aí na reta final, nada como velejar um barco construido por nós mesmo! 😉
@@TheBoatRambler pois é. Demorei três anos trabalhando 2 vezes por semana para deixar o casco pronto para pintura. Mas o tempo pouco importa e sim o processo.
Is the single lazy jack line that runs to the mast secured there as opposed to being on a block running down the mast to raise and lower the boom?
Hi Steve!
The lazy jacks go through a shackle, more details here:
th-cam.com/video/i6O_zwOzXac/w-d-xo.html
Excelente video! Mesmo não tendo experiência de vela percebi o que estavas a explicar. O encaixe para a GoPro ficou o máximo! Aos 15:50 a imagem saí da câmara já assim estabilizada ou foi depois editada?
Oi Ricardo!
Não fiz qualquer estabilização extra. A GoPro 8 black é brutal em termos de estabilizção, e nem sequer tinha em "Hyper Smooth" porque faz mais crop á imagem. Já a 7 era excelente comparada com tudo o que havia antes.
Abraço
@@TheBoatRambler muito bom o resultado final. É pena custarem tanto dinheiro. Por agora tenho que me contentar com a minha GoPobre.
Também não fazia ideia que uma embarcação aos meus olhos tão simples tinha tantos ajustes diferentes.
@@10410003 e esta vela até é das que tem menos ajustes...
A outra camera que uso é uma Yi 4K+.
Mas neste momento se comprasse seria uma Insta360.
th-cam.com/video/6SaOdSVKGZs/w-d-xo.html
Really great!
Where are you? France?
Hi Thomas!
I'm from Portugal and I mainly sail the Tagus estuary, just SE of Lisbon.🙂
Nice video! What are you using for sound?
Thanks Sean!
On land I use a DJI Osmo FM-15-Mic plugged to a Yi4K+. Unfortunately had the "Mic-High" setting On, which is a bit too much for close recording and got some distortion.
While sailing I used the GoPro built in Mics but forgot to enable the "wind" setting so had to mess with audio in Davinci Resolve while editing.
Not the best audio this time but I'm still trying to get used to the "out of the workshop" environment!!😅😅
Nice, I couldn't see the whole sail shape and not familiar with the lug rig, so wondering whether the luff laying off with the leech prevents the peak from twisting off in response to gusts, spilling pressure? That would be a good thing in moderate wind, but not good when overpowered in strong wind gusts. This is of course an important mechanism for modern racing skiffs & the point of their square topped mainsails, just curious how this works with the lug rig.
Hi Ken!
I believe the yard was designed to bend and spill wind on the stronger gusts.
My setup doesn't have a separate adjustment for Luff and Leech tensions. I can kind of balance how much I want to spread that tension between them but that is it. Some GIS have separate lines to allow for a better control. I don't need it as I don't race my GIS.
@@TheBoatRambler Yep I understand about not racing. I was just really asking to get an idea how the sail responded to gusts. I only mentioned skiffs to illustrate the importance of twisting off response to gusts to limit heeling moment. You may have seen a confusing reply from me that I have since deleted, I was getting you confused with another video I commented on today. I have often wondered how well the lug rig performs what it's like to manage. I don't think I've ever seen one sailing here in Australia.
hey Ken! No worries mate!
This is my first lug sail too and this video was the early days of my GIS.
The amount of sail aft of the mast is enough to force some twist regardless of the luff. To be honest whatever wind the sail doesn't spill due to bending of the yard I just react and compensate by easing sheet. It does make the sail luff but it is effective and since I NEVER cleat the mainsheet it is not an issue to me. But in really strong winds the yard bends quite a bit and I can see the leech flapping. I have sailed a lot since I made that video and to me the really big advantage of my setup is the ability to put a reef on in 1 minute, and that is including the time to lower and raise the sail, that way I never have to be sailing overcanvassed. 😉
using 'normal' rope instead of spectra....I don't use spectra anywhere on my dinghy. Too slippery and its strength is not needed - and if you have tiny lines you can't get a grip on them. Love your videos...thanks
Hi Gerry!
The Spectra halyard is very important on this type of sail. The low stretch line I used here is just satisfactory, but for better performance and/or high winds the Spectra makes a big difference. If the halyard stretches the sail's luff will flap in strong winds so the sail shape and efficiency will suffer as a result. I have since bought spectra with poly outer and it works a treat!!
Also on the reefing system Spectra is awesome as I can have really thin lines permanently hanging from the sail.
Have a look at the new season rigging setup videos.😉 th-cam.com/video/BCu8200sygg/w-d-xo.html
А на планшири слабо кулачковые стопора поставить и сделать балее жёстким сочленение удлинителя румпеля ?
Hi! Thanks for your input!
Some people like to use cam cleats for the mainsheet. I never do as I believe it's a very good way to capsize a small light boat! 😁
As for the tiller extension you are right it could be more rigid but the rudder is so light that if I pull the rope tight it's good enough for me. I don't race! 😎🍸🍹🌴🌞
ola amigo... I may be in Lisbon this summer... what is the best way to get on the Tejo for a sail? I would love a sail on a small skiff like yours....or a traditional Portuguese boat... are there places where I can pay for a sail?
Hi Paulo,
There is no traditional boats to rent with no skipper. You could pay to go on one but it will always be skippered by the owner of the boat. In summer there area a LOT of events for traditional boats, so finding a local skipper free on a weekend is gonna be difficult.
There are a couple of Canoas that provide sailing afternoons in Lisbon. Have a look at "Tejo com Vida"
As for Skiffs I don't know of any for rent. The only boats for rent, in Lisbon, are cruisers from 20 to 40ft.
Once you are here drop me an email and we can always try to find something...or go for a beer! 😉
How fast do you think you were going there?
I might have topped at close to 10kts for brief moments but mostly below that as when the wind increased I was on the way home and beating.
@@TheBoatRambler Looked like you were having fun!
Hello. What is the maximum number of people that can comfortably fit on the boat?
Hi!!
It will depend on weather conditions but in general if you want to still go sailing I think two more persons (one on each side of the centercase ) is comfortable enough.
If you're motoring, the GIS can take 4 people and gear without a problem. Of course not advisable if it's blowing a gale!! 😉
@@TheBoatRambler I understood you. thanks for the explanation
Do you want flat sails in stronger wind?
Do you want more curved, loose, sails in light wind?
Hey Thomas!
Generally speaking, in light air the boat needs all the power available to move forward and it needs to “catch” all the wind available, so the sail shape should be full/deep.
In strong winds the boat will have more wind than it can handle so it will start heeling and that slows it down. Going from 5 to 10 kts increases the force on the sail by x 4. Flattening the sail will make it spill wind easier so the boat can be kept leveled and easier to control.
@@TheBoatRambler Thank you!
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Great tips thanks, she has WHIZZ😹
yeah! she's awesome! 😎
Malta?
Ah, yes, Portugal. Lot of lateen rigs about. Interesting.
Hey Bruce!
Good try but.... nope!! Portugal! 😉
I'm surprised that it planes. She sails like a witch
She planes alright!! Top speed so far 14.6kn! 😁
@@TheBoatRambler I love what you've done to it with the built-in flotation
Sorry dude you are a badass sailor. And I mean no disrespect . But that looks like a brand new wood boat. I have seen so many wood boats just ride away. We so need the old technology. In bad way. It's called kiss keep it simple stupid. Is there a chance we can make a boat. Using some sort of composite materials that don't rot. Think about it same beautiful craftsmanship made out of milk jugs water bottles and whatever. Something that don't rot
Hi Nolan!
I have no idea what one can use as alternative materials for boat building but one thing I can tell you, if wooden boats are maintained they don't just rot away!! Look on my videos, Princesa do Tejo is 100% wood and she's over 100 years old now! 😉