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Disney is concerned with the oppression of everyone except for the very real oppression of the people where they filmed Mulan. That is AOK as far as Disney is concerned.
Disney is just another megacorporation that pretends to be generous and caring in public, while screwing over poor and middle-class people behind the scenes. The way they treat the contractors who do CGI work is downright oppressive.
Hot tip: Corporations do not care about anything other than money. That's why media catered to conservatives until the mid-2000s when liberals began to dominate the middle - upper-middle classes and conservatives didn't have enough money for media companies to cater to.
That’s what the uneducated people in here think. Disney wants money and will do what it takes to earn more they co op causes for monetary gain. Only weird people that allow companies to be part of their identity.
Has Lucasfilm forgot that Bo Katan is a former Mandalorian terror1st, murdered an entire village of innocent people, attempted to murder her sister, killed her own former teammates, and refused to honor the outcome of Mandalorian honor duels. Bo Katan is NOT a hero!
@@blaizegottman4139 What people expected from a Bo Katan comeback was her being a villain. She has been lobotomized from any unique characteristics since Rebels where she happily works with Jedi like it isnt a big deal for mandalorians to do so. She is an enemy of literally every faction in TCW
The confusion makes sense. Most of those working there probably don't know to what gender they belong. So just like they way they make up arbitrary genders, the character and story arcs are also arbitrary.
@@shenglong9818 I did say less than 1% And the other over 99% I don't know the ultra specifics, but I'd wager that it's less than 0.5%, probably maximum 0.3%,and that's mainly due to all the brainwashing going on.
Then please explain why profits rose 23% last year. I guess according to you the modern audience hates themselves and willing participates in things they are offended by and don’t like.
I sincerely love how KK once said,"WE'RE NOT MARVEL! WE DON'T HAVE YEARS AND YEARS OF SOURCE MATERIAL. JUST PASSIONATE STORYTELLERS." three years later she's gonna use the Legends books to write new Star Wars stories, only with her approved characters.
This coming from the asshole woman who will say EU shit isn’t canon but STEAL force healing cause it’s conventional and cool, too bad it was NEVER established outside of it. It disgusts me how a loser like that woman got to basically piggyback off peoples successes.
In Star Wars Legends there was 3-4 Droid Uprisings that explains why Droids don't have rights. Disney doesn't touch upon things like this in their version because it's too complicated.
Exactly, even in cannon they wipe their memories. Wiping droids memories according to cannon is to keep them from becoming fully sentient and possibly uprising. That's why R2D2 was supposed to be one of the only droids that was so emotional and sentient. He never had his memory wiped from Ep.1 all the way to the sequel trilogies.
Pretty sure there was also a case of IG-88 trying to go full Skynet. Failed, but coupled with the galactic war that was half-fought by droids, and... Yeah, you can see why the organics of the galaxy may be a bit aggressive to droids.
There was something about that line that I think was suppose to hint to more, but Lucas cut it. It just kinda comes off as out of place unless it was being used to foreshadow something deeper.
@@mr_indie_fan Unless you constantly wipe their memories, like they do in the universe. That's why I think it's crazy that they treat them like they do now.
They ARE a room of hacks who are on Twitter every other second. For example, have you seen the shit that the Official SW twitter puts out? They replied to a critic saying "L + ratio".
They might as well wear surgical masks and have someone vomit as they open up the droid and fuel gushes into someone's face. That'll really humnaize them droids!
I read as a kid that droids develop personalities if they don't have their memories wiped regularly. But also a droid can usually be repaired if destroyed, so who cares if it is damaged? There's a lot of weird conversations to have.
"who cares if it's damaged?" You do if you're not made out of money. Maybe Queen Amidala could afford to have all but one of the droids on one of her ships blasted away (the Naboo taxpayer would buy her new ones), but Uncle Owen could barely afford droids, which is why he bought decades-old used droids from a bunch of thieves instead of getting brand new ones.
@@dahelmang His position is similar to the Queen's, with the star systems backing the Rebellion paying for the droids. He wouldn't have shrugged if Lando returned from the Death Star battle in an escape pod, without the Falcon.
Welcome to the iron age my friend, time to burn all that once was and rebuild anew. The rebuilding has already begun with writers like rippa or EVS, now we just need more creators to hop on and finish burning the woke corporations to death.
I can't imagine why the people who run disney would want to sexualize characters that are meant to appeal to children...whatever could be the motivation
Disneys only interested in sexualizing characters in non traditional ways. Used to be Han & Leia, then Anakin & Padme. Then the sequels were afraid to let Finn kiss Rey but it’s ok they’re just besties instead. Meanwhile Lando bangs kitchen appliances & Jack Black married Lizzo
One of the reasons I liked Luke when I was a kid, is that he was the only one who was nice to the droids. He was the only human who ever let C-3PO finish his introduction. After that, 3PO always called Luke "Master Luke" even when it didn't seem like Luke was his master. The only other character that ever let C-3PO finish introducing himself was R2-D2 who was his best friend for life.
Anakin shared that trait, the Skywalker men cared for droids, likely because of their deep connection to the force. Anakin never reset R2's memory when it was a common thing to do, for example
I'm still wondering where IG-11 was going to sit on Din's Nabooian N-1 if he did restore the droid. I guess the chassis folds up neatly into a suitcase shape and gets tucked behind a panel marked storage while Grogu continues to sit in the bubble now.
Mando ended with Season 2. A heartwarming goodbye from the Child, Djardins future unclear, Luke training Grogu and so preventing Force Awakens/Last Jedi/Rise of Skywalker ever happening
For me Mando ended near the end of Episode 1 when that Pirate that came out from behind the Mandalorian when he was attacking the pirate base stabbed him in the back of the neck like he should have instead of just lightly shoving his shoulder...this show was low quality from the start and you are finally waking up to it. A god damn show about a guy that is supposed to be a bad ass bounty hunter that doesnt bounty hunt but instead is a god damn babysitter to a thing created to sell toys and make you think about Yoda to distract you from the fact the story sucks donkey dick and that is why they tossed in as many references to existing characters as possible because Mando himself is a cucked character that belongs to some gimped ass cult right out of the dark ages...seriously "It is the way"? A single person knows how to make Mandalorian armor? what the actual fuck is this shite?
Considering how Han usually treats Threepio, his reaction to the droid interrupting his first kiss with Leia was surprisingly civil😊 Side note: this interruption is even more funny when you remember that Threepio was constructed by Leia's father😁
Out of all the Star Wars characters among the few who always treated the droids with respect and kindly....Luke Skywalker is among, hell when C3PO calls him master he just says call me Luke, and he always cared about the droids, hell many other characters were annoyed by C3PO but Luke always treated him well and respectfully. When in Return of the Jedi they escape from the wreck of Jabba's barge, he's the one who says to Lando...."don't forget the droids" the other characters like Leia also grew concerned when 3PO got lost in Cloud city...lies in the family I guess hehe :).
I figured that in “Andor” it wasn’t that they had to have humans do the work, it’s just that there are only so many droids and you happen to have free criminal labor, so why not use them?
Yeah, pretty sure they said human prisoners were cheaper than droids. And for any regime as bad as the Empire, it's more profitable to work your prisoners to death than to just kill them.
Yeah, pretty sure they said human prisoners were cheaper than droids. And for any regime as bad as the Empire, it's more profitable to work your prisoners to death than to just kill them.
The franchise itself no... But the drama around the franchise would make a great tv or movie series (although names and appearances (cough, genders) would need to be changed to avoid accusations of slander.) Think about it... A mostly unknown sidekick (let's call her Nina) of two highly esteemed moviemakers, who tricks her superior into giving her his franchise with the lie that she will follow his wishes. Once Nina has the franchise, she betrays her former superior and uses the franchise with the desire to preach her point-of-view, which in her mind will make the world a better place... rather than following his direct advice and focusing on making good movies. Because Nina didn't care about the quality of the franchise, it has turned into idiocy and its previous fans now see Nina as the devil despite Nina "merely wanting to make the world a better place" (in her point-of-view, obviously). Because the fans "betrayed HER," (her point-of-view) Nina sees the upset fans of her franchise as her enemies. And so, the only way to appear good is to lie and to ally with the people who want to twist or tear down the franchise (we could mention subjecting expectations, but its not just this) for personal or political gain, so the boss of the franchise must ally with the franchise's enemies. Also Nina now hates the franchise that she is the boss of rather than merely being uninterested in it. We can look into how Nina deliberately turned her superior's protagonist from an amazing hero into a pathetic deadbeat. Imagine the emotional conflicts that might be had between Nina and her previous superior about that... and even the conflicts between Nina and the actor who played the protagonist. Nina demonised the representative of her franchise! How dramatic is that? We also imagine Nina's reaction when she realised that her actions destroyed what was previously world-renowned and a golden goose (which lay golden eggs). We can also look into Nina's erratic hiring and firing of staff, her mind-blowing wasting of money and how Nina destroys so much but cannot be fired. If we look at everything above, we have at least five/5 seasons (probably more) of a good dramatic tv show or several good dramatic movies (in a series) at least, honestly we could make a movie series that more dramatic and emotional than Star Wars, how many movie series can say that?
Your line from the Solo video, when the fembot got blasted, "And Lando cried as his favorite sex toy ran out of batteries." will forever be one of the funniest things I've ever heard on the internet. Thank you for that.
I mean, it was clear in the original trilogy that droids weren't respected and were treated like second class citizens....but it was also clear that they were sentient and had human-luke emotions. C3P0 was the most emotional, neurotic character in the movies
I always thought this mixed threat meant was a side effect of droids existing basically as functionally immortal…humans know that in most cases, even if they get damaged they can be easily repaired. They are warmly thought like a pet at times, perhaps slightly higher? I see your point
C3PO was a protocol droid, he was designed for more realistic actions with people. It would make sense for C3PO to have an "emotion chip" that triggers an audio response to environmental stressors or just fills silences with small talk. It would also make sense for a robot to have a kneejerk type reflex to indicate damage or danger, as that's more quickly recognizable as a problem than "sir, I am getting damaged". A flesh brain is more than a computing machine, set and setting affect cognition. Droids don't have this problem, but being programmed to act like they do makes them more personable
@@felicityggreene7831 I was agreeing with you until the "A flesh brain is more than a computing machine" part. No, a brain is quite literally nothing but a computing machine. It's just wildly more complex and imperfect at the same time. It's origin may be completely different to a machine (evolution VS design), but that doesn't mean that the end result isn't the same. There is nothing inside the human mind that cannot be replicated, even with the imperfections that make us so unique.
@@felicityggreene7831 yes, exactly, and for a bunch of droids that perform essentially services for an entire society on plazir-15, it would definitely make sense for them to have programming that makes them non-violent, emotional, and that gives them a real DESIRE to serve humans. And with other things in this video, such as the “belly rubs” or whatever, we’ve seen that people can develop sort of attachments to their personal droids, similar to a pet for us. Such as Anakin with R2, where it reached the point that a bunch of Republic plans/info almost leaked when R2 was captured, because Anakin doesn’t wipe his memory. And how Anakin treats R2 as if he could actually feel, when he can’t (and Mace Windu even finds that weird). So people treating droids as pets, especially in a universe with AI to that level, is not weird at all imo
Bo katan is apparently illiterate since she asked the robot bartender "Is this The Resistor?" Even though there were about ten signs that say "The Resistor".
Disney Creative Leads, "At last.. After all these centuries... I will finally get my revenge for all those times the teacher took away my Tamagotchi! The world will buuuuuuuurrrrrrn!" probably.
You forget the whole C3PO scene in Rise of Palpatine where the 'heroes' labotomoise a character to get something they want and laugh about it afterwards.
She's gonna replace mando cause girl power 😂 we need a 500th show where women are better than men and we need a female main character. I love female leads but I don't like that Disney accomplishes this by putting the male characters down.
I remember in TCW animated show how Bo basically rejected a fair and honorable duel that even the dude Maul essentially admited won fair and square, but instead she runs off and that’s when I KNEW I would never like her, she’s a hypocrite that can kill and cause as much suffering as she wants, but the moment she has to conform or listen to someone else she just denies it, it’s like the character knows she’s protected by shitty writing excuses.
To extent, I agree with you, but maul didn’t care about the Mandalorian’s, and Bo knew that, and he was only ever going to use them for his own aim they were a means to an end for him. He even abandoned them when they request that he help them. The ones that were loyal to him as a strong leader, but he betrayed the loyalty. He even said, die well, Mandalorian
@@chrishilton3626I mean if she was honorable she would have followed all the same. That's a lot of excuses. Pre Vizsla would've honored the deal. Plus as an ally she could try to prove to Maul they would be worth keeping around. Especially with the Empire rising. The problem is she took some of death watch and from that point he was trying to think of a way to get to Anakin.
Actually it was Lucas who started making droids more human-like, in early seasons of clone wars cartoon he made many battle droids make jokes. Which was often completely tone deaf, with droids making jokes while making clones vent out into space and die. Obviously it was a thing in the book as well, droids who don't have their cache cleared often were developing personalities, r2d2 was a prime example of that. Granted, disney went way further with the topic, but it was nice to see the subject being slightly explored in mandalorian. It wasn't a good episode but , sadly, probably the best in the season all things considered.
Okay, first of all, George made the droids human-like starting from ANH. That's kind of the point of droids. That they're human- *like* . Machine imitating human behavior. As for TCW's battle droid humour, that was actually Matthew Wood, their voice actor, and the shows supervising sound editor ad-libbing a lot of it, since they didn't have mouths to animate, so he could mess around with the sound without altering the animation. Lucas just okayed it, whereever he found it funny. Also, the batlle droid humour didn't even start with TCW. It was present in all the prequels. It was just less noticeable, because the on the one hand, the battle droids had considerable less screentime in the films for obvious reasons, and on the otherhand they were small moments in 2 hour long movies that came-out 3-years apart, not several seconds long gags in weekly twenty minutes long cartoon episodes.
@@Verebazs i mean, the battle droids arent even the only thing about the personality of droids before disney owned star wars. Anakin would refuse to wipe R2’s memory, to the point where it almost gave the separatists valuable info. Anakin also treated R2 as if he could actually “feel,” by replying to R2 with “I have a bad feeling about this too, buddy.” (Which Mace Windu thought was weird). I don’t think it is unreasonable to assume that in a galaxy with such advanced AI, some people would treat their droids like pets, while some others would find it to be strange. Sort of like how nowadays, some people treat their pets like children, and some people find it weird. Like, obviously, Owen Lars (a farmer) and Han Solo (a smuggler who only cares about money) wouldn’t care much for droids, while someone as emotional as Anakin who served alongside R2 for all the Clone Wars (and knew since he was a child), or someone like Poe (as much as I despise the sequels) with BB-8 would treat their droids like friends. And especially considering the level of AI in the SWU, it isn’t shocking for a society that completely relies on droids for jobs, ESPECIALLY service-type jobs, to program them with a desire to serve humans.
Filoni is responsible for the comedification of the battle droids, though George did include small jokes involving them since episode 1, and droids were used for comedy since the first film. People blame George for the issues of TCW and I don't really get it, yeah that show was hot garbage and trashes on canon, but just because it was under George doesn't mean he made it. George effectively only said yes or no to things with little direct involvement, the only criticism with him and that show I have is that he didn't say no enough
Like, I'm pretty sure that was the point of the battle droids and the clones. The droid army acted humanlike but were droids, and the clones acted droid like but were humans, but of course, filoni destroyed the clones as well so
yeah & you deserve it 4'ever thinking sw was anything other than an oaf's genie-wische to begin with. It's weird, like g.lucas, iMust type when i'm shitting. "star wars" & this comment are in an underground musem together; holding hand kizzn
HK-47 from the Knights of the Old Republic games was a great example of the nature of droids in Star Wars, especially in the second game. Though he acts as if he as some sort of affinity for the main character, he is very open about the fact that he's was programed to be an elite assassin droid and threatens that, despite however long they've worked together, he'll still attempt to kill the main character under certain circumstances. He even has a line where he describes love as "making a shot to the knees of a target 120 kilometers away using an Aratech sniper rifle with a tri-light scope." He's often treated (mostly by himself) as nothing more than a tool to be used to carry out the main character's objectives. And even though the player tends to fall in love with his witty, sarcastic, and incredibly morbid "personality," there's no mistaking the fact that he's is and will always be a machine. Though this was all written back before Disney when Star Wars was actually good.
I thought you were going to bring up his quote about how droids are treated and how it helps him stay under the radar as an assassin. "You see, part of the reason an assassin droid is so effective is because it is a droid. Meatbags tend not to notice us. We are treated as furnishings. Droids tend to blend into the background, like a bench or a card table. Mockery: 'Droid, fetch this. Droid, translate that. Droid, clean out the trash compactor.' Part of the love of my function comes when the ‘furnishings’ pull out tibanna-powered rifles and point them at the owners' heads."
yeah the droid bar really bothered me. I always felt like maybe star wars droids might come close to being completely sentient if they are left on long enough without a memory wipe, but never to the point where they have their own bars and lives.
1:00 Characters like Luke who are gear heads show more fondness for their droids than others but it is still clear that he knows that they are just machines at the end of the day.
Katie Sackhoff's Bo-Katan reminds me of Admiral Dougherty from Star Trek Insurrection. Particularly the scene where he gets facelifted to death. That face is her every emotion.
Great stories take time, effort, concentration, planning, consistency and world-building. Lucas for all his ups and downs understood that, Disney doesn't like any of those things and doesn't like its own fans either.
"We are afraid we will be replaced by.... HUMANS!!!!" oh thank fuck, for a second there I thought they were gonna say Aliens, guess Aliens are alright then, just not.... HUMANS!!! But those bug bois from Episode 2, or those gross Ewoks, or Chewbacca, or that gross Yoda thing, they cool, but fuck humans am I right? Guess since Disney replaced all the Aliens with Humans, I can definitely see why the droids would be scared
I think this is a really simplified view of everything. Anakin loved droids. He thought of them as people. There have been droid rebellions before. That's why droids get regular memory wipes. So they can't expand and think too much. There is so much more depth to the druid hate than what you have shown and legends really explored it even if disney does not recognize legends. They do pull from it alot.
I concur. Robot Head makes a lot of good points, but he's very much "anti-change" to the extreme. He doesn't even consider post-prequel content to be true canon (preferring old, ancient EU material even when more direct (from George Lucas' mind) sources come along later. It's very entertaining, but you have to take it with a grain of salt, especially when he talks about anything post-ROTS.
The problem is that in the public consciousness everything mushes together, Blade Runner, Star Wars, Star Trek. For the writers, a robot in Star Wars is the same as a robot in any other scifi story they ever read or watched. The warp drive in Star Trek now effectively is the same as the hyperdrive in Star Wars. The distinctiveness of the respective universes gets lost. Even more so with respect to background stuff.
I liked that only Luke was kind to the droids, which seemed like an odd behaviour for other characters. It made him stand out in a good way. Luke also had his trusted droid R2D2 travel with him in his journey. It helped that R2D2's "character" was fun and quirky. Disney Star Wars now assigns every character its droid friend. It's annoying and lacks any imagination whatsoever. It also kills Luke's uniqueness. It could be said that this is Disney/Lucasfilms intention all along.
Yeah, Luke Skywalker always treated the droids kindly, even when C3PO called him master he just said "call me Luke", he worked with the droids even as a young farm boy but unlike his uncle Owen, he actually seemed to care for them, Luke care for the droids is seen many times over the original trilogy, when they escape from Jabba's sail barge wreckage he says to Lando "don't forget the droids" and so on. R2 and Luke immediately grew close....also Leia grew concerned when 3PO went missing in Cloud city...it runs in the family I guess :). Luke Skywalker was always my favorite character, it's sad to see him disrespected so in the Disney sequels! Well the Clone Wars also sees Anakin becoming very attached to R2 but the droids are also in that time the feared enemy, as soldiers of the separatists, so the anti-droid sentiments may have also been ignited with fear of the old battle droids at large in the galaxy.
Only good thing that comes out from this mess that Disney calls Star Wars is that there is Robot Head's videos that make us laugh after Disney Star Wars has made us cry. The way I see it, the writers can't take any critic on their work and admit that there is something terribly wrong in their ideas and that makes them continue to do same thing over and over again
The analogue of droids and minorities is exactly the point in Lucas, especially in IV. “We don’t serve their kind”. You are right, Disney doesn’t get it, but not in the way you think. One difference is that Lucas understands fiction and metaphor, and he isn’t “pushing” anything, so he can use them to make us look at ourselves and society, and also use them as comic relief. They’re literally droids, not what they represent in any given situation. However, R2 and Threepio can only perform their if we identify with them as persons - that’s what Disney gets wrong. In many ways they’re exactly like children.
This is exactly the intelligent take I was looking for! I think it’s ridiculous to hear that line and not realize that that is the point Lucas is making. This isn’t something I often say about Lucas’s writing but there’s a lot more nuance than this video would have you believe.
I gotta say, when it comes to the Andor prisoner thing: If your going to keep prisoner why not make use of them? You assume there's some sort of cohesion between the Empire justice system and whatever department handles the designs and doctrines of their prisons, but in an entity so large there probably isn't. The prison side just knows they're being sent people, and so they make use of them. The Justice System probably has some sentence quota stemming from the new law being past, and that's why andor is sentenced so flippantly.
Wait... wait, L3 can just... remove it's own restraining bolt? That seems like something the 'restraining bolt' would... you know? RESTRAIN it from doing.
They just don't understand Starwars or the universe in which it lives. Look how they now use the force, Rey could just do Jedi mind tricks and shoot lightning out her hands without adequate training!! The writers don't seem to understand that these force powers are ancient knowledge, that needs to be taught over time. That's the whole point of the Jedi order, to pass down knowledge and teachings but now the girl boss just automatically has these powers. It goes against the fundamentals of what makes a good character. Starwars needs to be under the control of somebody that knows and understands, and actually likes the franchise. Can't they see they are just devaluing the brand with every mediocre project they release. 😳
Now when I think of Disney I think of all the Disney characters like Mickey, Donald and Goofy sinking on the Titanic with the woke mob yelling at them from their lifeboats about how racist they are for giving up.
I totally forgot about restraining bolts. You'd think if Jawas had them they are probably readily available...but that would kill the "story." Ugh....me.brain aches...
I could understand if there were few humans that treated droids like living creatures while many others wouldn't, but trying to make it so droids had rights is weird as they are machines. Disney is confusing now
That is a ham fisted modern day metaphor. They are trying to claim there are people in modern society with less rights (but aren’t referring to the current slave trade in Asia.)
I think of terminator 2 when John asks the terminator it is ever afraid and he replies no I’m programmed to stay functional until my mission is completed
That awful scene in Solo, where feminist bot had a call for a revolution was the first sign. These "people" at Disney have decided to turn the robots into a cringy allegory for slavery, this is so stupid it hurts.
Enjoy it. That's going to happen in about 18 months at the outside, about the same time it'll take me to die of breast cancer. It won't end well and I'll be laughing myself silly.
They made the mistake of treating Star Wars as though everything is precious, they forgot the grit and the reasoning for anything. It’s become terrible fan fiction.
Don't forget that droids also routinely have their memories wiped specifically to avoid them developing more advanced personalities. The reason why R2-D2 is such an independent little shit, is because he never went through this process.
Lucas Star Wars: Timeless heroes and villains in a tale of good vs evil in the stars. Disney Star Wars: Literally all the men are evil and everyone else is misunderstood, altruistic, forthright, and goddamn perfect. In summary: I wanna puke.
For me I think celebrities In TV shows are fine as long as the show can make them fit into the series like what they did with bill burr earlier and give them depth and understanding to who his character is But when they throw lizzo or jack black in for 1 episode just for fun cause they’re celebrities who everyone knows, it makes it feel like an SNL skit rather than an episode of the show
If we want to be technical, in Star Wars droids are supposed to have a Virtual Intelligence, a very sosphisticated illusion of "having individualities". It would be like being called a slaver for having an Alexa 9000.1 Edit: Lore-wise, after the Droid/Clone Wars, if they were true-AI, they would have been super banned, or dumbed down to "boiled potato" levels.
@@n.a.4292and i suppose that for a society that completely relies on droids for survival and has them working in service jobs, such as plazir-15, that they wouldn’t program them to have a desire to serve humans?
Disney leaning into the whole "droids are people too" thing is so... odd to me. It's not logical. Especially not going from what we already saw in the original trilogy and prequel trilogy.
Imagine if we had a show that was like an inverse battlestar galactica, where we follow a fleet of separatist ships on the run after the rise of the empire, where the droids are just looking to find their way in the galaxy now that they have no purpose with the fall of the CIS.
Not a bad idea actually, although not so much inverse, since they're in precisely the same situation (bar the godawful acting, the bit with the steam catapult dump valve was funny though).
There were non-Disney moments of affection for droids: episode 4 when the deck hand tries to give Luke a new droid he shut him down saying “not on your life, that little droid and I have been through a lot! You okay R2?” And don’t forget the ceremonial cleaning of R2 by the handmaidens after all the other Astromechs were shot off in Episode 1.
None of the writing teams watch any previous material...... Even in the old Decipher Star Wars CCG, Droid characters were utility cards that could not be targeted in combat (no one would waste ammo on them), but were happily sacrificed as losses before more useful, biological characters. (There was the rare exception, like assassin droids, but this was the general rule for most of the droids in the game.)
Lucas era Lando: Owner of a cloud City, wears stylish capes and the confidence to face Darth Vader on equal terms. Disney era Lando: Weeb that Fuxks washing machines
“Bo Katan is perfect don’t you realize how she can seamlessly take her helmet on and off with out messing up a single strand of hair? Bunch of fools, how dare you???” - Greta Thunberg probably
I mean, I always took it as read that a GFFA having a culture that treated droids as disposable and less-than-human was meant to show how that culture blinded even the main characters to how they were treating sentient beings. Luke and later Anakin are some of the very few people who even bothered to create relationships with droids. Meanwhile, R2D2 and C-3PO were clearly sentient, capable of making their own decisions, and capable of displaying bravery in the face of danger. They are not “a toaster” or “Alexa” or “Siri”, they are fully formed sentient beings, and you even described R2D2 and C-3PO as such, _so I know you know this,_ despite your attempt to dehumanize them. It wasn’t a *good* thing that even likable characters like Obi-Wan and Han treated droids poorly. But these characters were also a product of their environment. Considering that Lucas did *the exact same thing* with the clones in the prequels and The Clone Wars to make *the exact same point* kind of backs me up here. Of course, Lucasfilm can’t manage to not hamfist any idea that enters their brain, so instead of it being subtle background commentary it’s now activism. Doesn’t change Lucas’ original point. Remember, Germany was one of the *least* anti-Semitic nations in Europe in 1920. Just a few years of Nazi rhetoric was enough to push totally normal people from not giving a crap about Jews to Krystallnacht to the Holocaust. The road to committing unimaginable horrors is much shorter than we think.
Yes! This. Depicting your protagonists as flawed, especially when their flaws are a by product of societal norms is so important! I feel like a lot of these video essays miss the point the protagonists should be flawed. Not that Disney has done a competent job of it.
Lucas’s work is probably most nuanced and interesting in this area. A lot of his storytelling can be less than subtle, but the treatment and social class of droids was really well executed in both the OT and the prequels.
In Legends there were the HRDs, Human Replica Droids, most famously represented by Guri in the Shadows of the Empire novel. She was not only an assassin droid but could, and would, often serve as a "pleasure-bot" as well. Her features were very deceiving, I think that Dash Rendar even had a fling with her, not to mention Prince Xisor.
Goes to show how hypocritical EUtards are, b*tching about the exact same dumb ideas, their precious novels and comics that got ignored also dabbled in...
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Disney is concerned with the oppression of everyone except for the very real oppression of the people where they filmed Mulan. That is AOK as far as Disney is concerned.
But it is good cause it makes us money. We would have to pay a reasonable wage without Chinese gul@g. -Disney
Disney is just another megacorporation that pretends to be generous and caring in public, while screwing over poor and middle-class people behind the scenes. The way they treat the contractors who do CGI work is downright oppressive.
Commies covering for other commies. Then again, the Ewoks are supposed to be the Vietcong... Would that make the Rebel Alliance the Soviets?
Hot tip: Corporations do not care about anything other than money. That's why media catered to conservatives until the mid-2000s when liberals began to dominate the middle - upper-middle classes and conservatives didn't have enough money for media companies to cater to.
That’s what the uneducated people in here think.
Disney wants money and will do what it takes to earn more they co op causes for monetary gain.
Only weird people that allow companies to be part of their identity.
Has Lucasfilm forgot that Bo Katan is a former Mandalorian terror1st, murdered an entire village of innocent people, attempted to murder her sister, killed her own former teammates, and refused to honor the outcome of Mandalorian honor duels. Bo Katan is NOT a hero!
It's the kind of person that Disney likes to uphold.
@@blaizegottman4139 What people expected from a Bo Katan comeback was her being a villain. She has been lobotomized from any unique characteristics since Rebels where she happily works with Jedi like it isnt a big deal for mandalorians to do so.
She is an enemy of literally every faction in TCW
She’s a woman bro. They’re incapable of being evil, much less face consequences, didn’t you know?
@@blaizegottman4139 Because he's a woman. Don't comment if you don't know
She's Disney's ideal HERo.
It's not that Hollywood can't decide who the heroes and villains are, it's that they don't know what makes characters heroes and villains.
That's what happens when your business model is adapting stories written by other people so you never learn the actual craft of story writing.
@@wwiiinplastic4712 They've lost sight of the difference between right and wrong.
@@michaelpeer1753 Leftist relativism has sapped their moral understanding.
Kudos
The confusion makes sense. Most of those working there probably don't know to what gender they belong. So just like they way they make up arbitrary genders, the character and story arcs are also arbitrary.
All Disney had to do was take the books and comics. Just pay the writers a fee and enjoy free billions. All that we wanted.
Old Disney would do that.
Modern Disney doesn’t
@@chasehedges6775 Taking old beloved stories of a rich mythology and turning them into movies was what Old Disney was built on.
But then how could Disney people inject their own brand of woke social activism into everything?
@@VeryPeeved Difference is Old Disney made good/wholesome movies.
Ill never understand that
Disney: *caters to 10% of the "modern audience" and attacks the other 90%* "Why are we losing viewers and money?!"
Try again.
More like caters to less than 1% of the audience at the expense of the other over 99%
Even one percent is a bit of a stretch
@@shenglong9818 I did say less than 1%
And the other over 99%
I don't know the ultra specifics, but I'd wager that it's less than 0.5%, probably maximum 0.3%,and that's mainly due to all the brainwashing going on.
@@shenglong9818 any percent is a massive stretch
Then please explain why profits rose 23% last year.
I guess according to you the modern audience hates themselves and willing participates in things they are offended by and don’t like.
I sincerely love how KK once said,"WE'RE NOT MARVEL! WE DON'T HAVE YEARS AND YEARS OF SOURCE MATERIAL. JUST PASSIONATE STORYTELLERS." three years later she's gonna use the Legends books to write new Star Wars stories, only with her approved characters.
Please stop calling the Expanded Universe by the slave name Disney assigned to it.
@@fattiger6957 I cannot do that since Star Wars isn't freed yet.
*”We don’t have years and years of source material. Just passionate storytellers.”*
Strike that. Reverse it. Thank you.
@@fattiger6957 Agreed. I refer to it as the "True Star Wars Universe". Disney can take their canon and shove it up their rear end!
This coming from the asshole woman who will say EU shit isn’t canon but STEAL force healing cause it’s conventional and cool, too bad it was NEVER established outside of it. It disgusts me how a loser like that woman got to basically piggyback off peoples successes.
the inconsistencies become more and more clear in modern star wars
Never mind the out and out destruction of cannon.
In Star Wars Legends there was 3-4 Droid Uprisings that explains why Droids don't have rights. Disney doesn't touch upon things like this in their version because it's too complicated.
No rights for clankers
*cough* ig-11 *cough*
Exactly, even in cannon they wipe their memories. Wiping droids memories according to cannon is to keep them from becoming fully sentient and possibly uprising. That's why R2D2 was supposed to be one of the only droids that was so emotional and sentient. He never had his memory wiped from Ep.1 all the way to the sequel trilogies.
Pretty sure there was also a case of IG-88 trying to go full Skynet. Failed, but coupled with the galactic war that was half-fought by droids, and... Yeah, you can see why the organics of the galaxy may be a bit aggressive to droids.
@@Hezigrimm Basically, they killed them while they were babies that hadn't learned they actually had a say on anything...
"If droids could think, there would be none of us here, would there?" - Obi Wan Kenobi
There was something about that line that I think was suppose to hint to more, but Lucas cut it. It just kinda comes off as out of place unless it was being used to foreshadow something deeper.
There were several droid uprisings in legends, droids CAN think.
@@mr_indie_fan Unless you constantly wipe their memories, like they do in the universe. That's why I think it's crazy that they treat them like they do now.
@@Hezigrimmneither mr bones or ig-11 got their memories wiped to my knowledge (outside of mr bone's brain damage and death anyway)
@@mr_indie_fan Which is why they were the way they were. Same thing with why the battle droids were so goofy, they weren't maintained well
Disney writers must be just a room of hacks who are on Twitter every other second.
Accurate description.
Like Dan Slott!
Lol best comment
Literally the writers team for She-Hulk who dedicated the show to attacking twitter trolls
They ARE a room of hacks who are on Twitter every other second. For example, have you seen the shit that the Official SW twitter puts out? They replied to a critic saying "L + ratio".
I lost it at the droid morgue scene
So what? There are graveyards for the thousands upon thousands of battle droids that fought in the Clone Wars?
@@BrandontheAwesome 😂😂😂😂
@@BrandontheAwesome With crosses made of their limbs...
The bar was too fuckin much
They might as well wear surgical masks and have someone vomit as they open up the droid and fuel gushes into someone's face. That'll really humnaize them droids!
Disney REALLY doesn't understand Star Wars, that much is clear.
They never did; and it was very evident from the beginning.
They do not care about it. To them, it's just money. And brainwashing.
I read as a kid that droids develop personalities if they don't have their memories wiped regularly. But also a droid can usually be repaired if destroyed, so who cares if it is damaged? There's a lot of weird conversations to have.
"who cares if it's damaged?" You do if you're not made out of money. Maybe Queen Amidala could afford to have all but one of the droids on one of her ships blasted away (the Naboo taxpayer would buy her new ones), but Uncle Owen could barely afford droids, which is why he bought decades-old used droids from a bunch of thieves instead of getting brand new ones.
@@amorphousblob2721 good point, I meant Han when he shrugged at R2 being shot.
@@dahelmang His position is similar to the Queen's, with the star systems backing the Rebellion paying for the droids. He wouldn't have shrugged if Lando returned from the Death Star battle in an escape pod, without the Falcon.
There’s no way out of this. They’re destroying everything. No franchise will be left unscathed.
Nintendo seems pretty safe.
@@fattiger6957nope, luigi got emasculated by universal.
Welcome to the iron age my friend, time to burn all that once was and rebuild anew.
The rebuilding has already begun with writers like rippa or EVS, now we just need more creators to hop on and finish burning the woke corporations to death.
@@mr_indie_fan Luigi ? How ?
That was their plan from the start.
I can't imagine why the people who run disney would want to sexualize characters that are meant to appeal to children...whatever could be the motivation
because parents watch with their children
@@Tevi_L7151 that's changed since the 70s has it?
Disneys only interested in sexualizing characters in non traditional ways. Used to be Han & Leia, then Anakin & Padme. Then the sequels were afraid to let Finn kiss Rey but it’s ok they’re just besties instead. Meanwhile Lando bangs kitchen appliances & Jack Black married Lizzo
@@_eggers I mean The sequels were garbage. But I thought for sure Finn would have ended up with Rey.
@@redpilledtrooper7523 Nah as soon as I saw her I knew Disney would shack him up with Fat Asian Bitch.
One of the reasons I liked Luke when I was a kid, is that he was the only one who was nice to the droids. He was the only human who ever let C-3PO finish his introduction. After that, 3PO always called Luke "Master Luke" even when it didn't seem like Luke was his master. The only other character that ever let C-3PO finish introducing himself was R2-D2 who was his best friend for life.
Anakin shared that trait, the Skywalker men cared for droids, likely because of their deep connection to the force. Anakin never reset R2's memory when it was a common thing to do, for example
In ep7 they put Grogu in IG-11's corpse and Mando doesn't give a shit, even though he wanted to resurrect this droid in episode 1...
And it was VITAL that it was that droid, absolutely nothing else could've done it. Two burritos later...
It is kind of morbid when you think about it. 🤣
I'm still wondering where IG-11 was going to sit on Din's Nabooian N-1 if he did restore the droid.
I guess the chassis folds up neatly into a suitcase shape and gets tucked behind a panel marked storage while Grogu continues to sit in the bubble now.
@@nephicus339 no din was just gonna tie the ig-11 around the n-1 that should do it.
Din: this droid is special
Also Din: *uses said droid to move his kid like a necromancer*
The way Disney treated R2 and 3PO and just completely SIDELINED them in the god awful Disney Trilogy is still completely UNFORGIVABLE
After what they did to Luke, Han and Leia, probably for the best they weren't focused on.
I like bb-8, but there's no excuse why they couldn't have had him become a trio with artoo and threepio.
Mando ended with Season 2. A heartwarming goodbye from the Child, Djardins future unclear, Luke training Grogu and so preventing Force Awakens/Last Jedi/Rise of Skywalker ever happening
Weirdly Picard started with season 3
For me Mando ended near the end of Episode 1 when that Pirate that came out from behind the Mandalorian when he was attacking the pirate base stabbed him in the back of the neck like he should have instead of just lightly shoving his shoulder...this show was low quality from the start and you are finally waking up to it.
A god damn show about a guy that is supposed to be a bad ass bounty hunter that doesnt bounty hunt but instead is a god damn babysitter to a thing created to sell toys and make you think about Yoda to distract you from the fact the story sucks donkey dick and that is why they tossed in as many references to existing characters as possible because Mando himself is a cucked character that belongs to some gimped ass cult right out of the dark ages...seriously "It is the way"? A single person knows how to make Mandalorian armor? what the actual fuck is this shite?
I legit thought that was a perfect ending. Boba Fett was so bad I will consider this the ending. I'm not touching anything else star wars for a while.
Not really, those movies still could happen.
Considering how Han usually treats Threepio, his reaction to the droid interrupting his first kiss with Leia was surprisingly civil😊
Side note: this interruption is even more funny when you remember that Threepio was constructed by Leia's father😁
Kinda brings new light to the Space Balls scene "That's my hormone detector, it goes off before you do"
I think he was just so flabbergasted that he didn’t have the words or energy to be mad at 3PO 😂
@@nathank2289 Virgin alarm!
Out of all the Star Wars characters among the few who always treated the droids with respect and kindly....Luke Skywalker is among, hell when C3PO calls him master he just says call me Luke, and he always cared about the droids, hell many other characters were annoyed by C3PO but Luke always treated him well and respectfully. When in Return of the Jedi they escape from the wreck of Jabba's barge, he's the one who says to Lando...."don't forget the droids" the other characters like Leia also grew concerned when 3PO got lost in Cloud city...lies in the family I guess hehe :).
Cockblocked by dad years in advance
I figured that in “Andor” it wasn’t that they had to have humans do the work, it’s just that there are only so many droids and you happen to have free criminal labor, so why not use them?
It's also way cheaper to use humans. It's even explained in the damn show why the Empire isn't using droids.
Yeah, pretty sure they said human prisoners were cheaper than droids. And for any regime as bad as the Empire, it's more profitable to work your prisoners to death than to just kill them.
Yeah, pretty sure they said human prisoners were cheaper than droids. And for any regime as bad as the Empire, it's more profitable to work your prisoners to death than to just kill them.
@@userequaltoNullwhat was the explanation again?
NOOOO!!!!! They dragged the battle droids into this!
Disney Star Wars absolutely nothing to offer at this point..
The franchise itself no... But the drama around the franchise would make a great tv or movie series (although names and appearances (cough, genders) would need to be changed to avoid accusations of slander.) Think about it...
A mostly unknown sidekick (let's call her Nina) of two highly esteemed moviemakers, who tricks her superior into giving her his franchise with the lie that she will follow his wishes. Once Nina has the franchise, she betrays her former superior and uses the franchise with the desire to preach her point-of-view, which in her mind will make the world a better place... rather than following his direct advice and focusing on making good movies.
Because Nina didn't care about the quality of the franchise, it has turned into idiocy and its previous fans now see Nina as the devil despite Nina "merely wanting to make the world a better place" (in her point-of-view, obviously). Because the fans "betrayed HER," (her point-of-view) Nina sees the upset fans of her franchise as her enemies. And so, the only way to appear good is to lie and to ally with the people who want to twist or tear down the franchise (we could mention subjecting expectations, but its not just this) for personal or political gain, so the boss of the franchise must ally with the franchise's enemies. Also Nina now hates the franchise that she is the boss of rather than merely being uninterested in it.
We can look into how Nina deliberately turned her superior's protagonist from an amazing hero into a pathetic deadbeat. Imagine the emotional conflicts that might be had between Nina and her previous superior about that... and even the conflicts between Nina and the actor who played the protagonist. Nina demonised the representative of her franchise! How dramatic is that? We also imagine Nina's reaction when she realised that her actions destroyed what was previously world-renowned and a golden goose (which lay golden eggs). We can also look into Nina's erratic hiring and firing of staff, her mind-blowing wasting of money and how Nina destroys so much but cannot be fired.
If we look at everything above, we have at least five/5 seasons (probably more) of a good dramatic tv show or several good dramatic movies (in a series) at least, honestly we could make a movie series that more dramatic and emotional than Star Wars, how many movie series can say that?
Your line from the Solo video, when the fembot got blasted, "And Lando cried as his favorite sex toy ran out of batteries." will forever be one of the funniest things I've ever heard on the internet. Thank you for that.
Wasn't that Mauler's video from years back? I watched it the other day and I thought he said that same thing, along with some other funny Mauler-isms.
@@johnhoney5089 very possible I remembered wrong.
I mean, it was clear in the original trilogy that droids weren't respected and were treated like second class citizens....but it was also clear that they were sentient and had human-luke emotions. C3P0 was the most emotional, neurotic character in the movies
I always thought this mixed threat meant was a side effect of droids existing basically as functionally immortal…humans know that in most cases, even if they get damaged they can be easily repaired. They are warmly thought like a pet at times, perhaps slightly higher? I see your point
Yes. Thank you.
C3PO was a protocol droid, he was designed for more realistic actions with people. It would make sense for C3PO to have an "emotion chip" that triggers an audio response to environmental stressors or just fills silences with small talk. It would also make sense for a robot to have a kneejerk type reflex to indicate damage or danger, as that's more quickly recognizable as a problem than "sir, I am getting damaged". A flesh brain is more than a computing machine, set and setting affect cognition. Droids don't have this problem, but being programmed to act like they do makes them more personable
@@felicityggreene7831 I was agreeing with you until the "A flesh brain is more than a computing machine" part.
No, a brain is quite literally nothing but a computing machine.
It's just wildly more complex and imperfect at the same time. It's origin may be completely different to a machine (evolution VS design), but that doesn't mean that the end result isn't the same.
There is nothing inside the human mind that cannot be replicated, even with the imperfections that make us so unique.
@@felicityggreene7831 yes, exactly, and for a bunch of droids that perform essentially services for an entire society on plazir-15, it would definitely make sense for them to have programming that makes them non-violent, emotional, and that gives them a real DESIRE to serve humans.
And with other things in this video, such as the “belly rubs” or whatever, we’ve seen that people can develop sort of attachments to their personal droids, similar to a pet for us. Such as Anakin with R2, where it reached the point that a bunch of Republic plans/info almost leaked when R2 was captured, because Anakin doesn’t wipe his memory. And how Anakin treats R2 as if he could actually feel, when he can’t (and Mace Windu even finds that weird). So people treating droids as pets, especially in a universe with AI to that level, is not weird at all imo
Bo katan is apparently illiterate since she asked the robot bartender "Is this The Resistor?" Even though there were about ten signs that say "The Resistor".
Seems like the 'My-Tamagotchi-must-not-die' kids are now old enough to be Disney's creative leaders..
Disney Creative Leads, "At last.. After all these centuries... I will finally get my revenge for all those times the teacher took away my Tamagotchi! The world will buuuuuuuurrrrrrn!" probably.
Why did that super battle droid run like a human ? It looked more agile than the commando droids 😂
You forget the whole C3PO scene in Rise of Palpatine where the 'heroes' labotomoise a character to get something they want and laugh about it afterwards.
Manufactured machines with manufactured personalities? Sounds like the Star Wars story group and Kathleen Kennedy!
They need a hard reset, and an upgrade to their operating systems.
Can't believe Katee Sackhoff agreed to being in this mess. I hope it was just for a paycheck.
She deserves better
I mean she's getting a whole season of Mando for herself soon lol
Clearly you haven't seen another life... she'll do anything for money - anything ;)
She's gonna replace mando cause girl power 😂 we need a 500th show where women are better than men and we need a female main character. I love female leads but I don't like that Disney accomplishes this by putting the male characters down.
The real question is what happened to her face?
If L3 looked like the Twins from Atomic Heart, I wouldn't blame Lando...
Crispy Critters!
@@BaldorfBreakdowns Ебучие пироги!
Disney sure has some great ideas huh
You watch your language Sir😂
Such a waste of Christopher Lloyd's talent
For reals
He definitely needed the paycheck
i agree with everyone saying he needed the cash he looks like he does
Great Scott!
I remember in TCW animated show how Bo basically rejected a fair and honorable duel that even the dude Maul essentially admited won fair and square, but instead she runs off and that’s when I KNEW I would never like her, she’s a hypocrite that can kill and cause as much suffering as she wants, but the moment she has to conform or listen to someone else she just denies it, it’s like the character knows she’s protected by shitty writing excuses.
To extent, I agree with you, but maul didn’t care about the Mandalorian’s, and Bo knew that, and he was only ever going to use them for his own aim they were a means to an end for him. He even abandoned them when they request that he help them. The ones that were loyal to him as a strong leader, but he betrayed the loyalty. He even said, die well, Mandalorian
@@chrishilton3626I mean if she was honorable she would have followed all the same.
That's a lot of excuses. Pre Vizsla would've honored the deal. Plus as an ally she could try to prove to Maul they would be worth keeping around. Especially with the Empire rising.
The problem is she took some of death watch and from that point he was trying to think of a way to get to Anakin.
And yet another concept tackled in the expanded universe in so much more detail 20 years ago trampled under foot by Disney.
Actually it was Lucas who started making droids more human-like, in early seasons of clone wars cartoon he made many battle droids make jokes. Which was often completely tone deaf, with droids making jokes while making clones vent out into space and die.
Obviously it was a thing in the book as well, droids who don't have their cache cleared often were developing personalities, r2d2 was a prime example of that.
Granted, disney went way further with the topic, but it was nice to see the subject being slightly explored in mandalorian. It wasn't a good episode but , sadly, probably the best in the season all things considered.
Okay, first of all, George made the droids human-like starting from ANH. That's kind of the point of droids. That they're human- *like* . Machine imitating human behavior.
As for TCW's battle droid humour, that was actually Matthew Wood, their voice actor, and the shows supervising sound editor ad-libbing a lot of it, since they didn't have mouths to animate, so he could mess around with the sound without altering the animation. Lucas just okayed it, whereever he found it funny.
Also, the batlle droid humour didn't even start with TCW. It was present in all the prequels.
It was just less noticeable, because the on the one hand, the battle droids had considerable less screentime in the films for obvious reasons, and on the otherhand they were small moments in 2 hour long movies that came-out 3-years apart, not several seconds long gags in weekly twenty minutes long cartoon episodes.
@@Verebazs i mean, the battle droids arent even the only thing about the personality of droids before disney owned star wars. Anakin would refuse to wipe R2’s memory, to the point where it almost gave the separatists valuable info. Anakin also treated R2 as if he could actually “feel,” by replying to R2 with “I have a bad feeling about this too, buddy.” (Which Mace Windu thought was weird).
I don’t think it is unreasonable to assume that in a galaxy with such advanced AI, some people would treat their droids like pets, while some others would find it to be strange. Sort of like how nowadays, some people treat their pets like children, and some people find it weird.
Like, obviously, Owen Lars (a farmer) and Han Solo (a smuggler who only cares about money) wouldn’t care much for droids, while someone as emotional as Anakin who served alongside R2 for all the Clone Wars (and knew since he was a child), or someone like Poe (as much as I despise the sequels) with BB-8 would treat their droids like friends.
And especially considering the level of AI in the SWU, it isn’t shocking for a society that completely relies on droids for jobs, ESPECIALLY service-type jobs, to program them with a desire to serve humans.
Filoni is responsible for the comedification of the battle droids, though George did include small jokes involving them since episode 1, and droids were used for comedy since the first film. People blame George for the issues of TCW and I don't really get it, yeah that show was hot garbage and trashes on canon, but just because it was under George doesn't mean he made it. George effectively only said yes or no to things with little direct involvement, the only criticism with him and that show I have is that he didn't say no enough
Like, I'm pretty sure that was the point of the battle droids and the clones. The droid army acted humanlike but were droids, and the clones acted droid like but were humans, but of course, filoni destroyed the clones as well so
How the heck can a super battle droid even run or use is arms like that? Those things are slow and uncoordinated as hell...
It look like one of the failed RoboCop 2 presentations.
Maybe as part of their rebellion, the self-conscious droids added RAM and better CPUs to their processing units for better coordination? :P
They want us to think of replaceable machines as people because they think of people as replaceable machines.
Being a Star Wars fan feels like being in an abusive relationship.
yeah & you deserve it 4'ever thinking sw was anything other than an oaf's genie-wische to begin with. It's weird, like g.lucas, iMust type when i'm shitting. "star wars" & this comment are in an underground musem together; holding hand kizzn
you would think that Lando would at least get a droid that looks like Salma Hayek in her prime, instead the right off the assembly line robot type
Somehow Rey Palpatine returned...
No... No... That's not true. That's impossible. NNOO!!
*activates lightsaber and readies for battle*
HK-47 from the Knights of the Old Republic games was a great example of the nature of droids in Star Wars, especially in the second game. Though he acts as if he as some sort of affinity for the main character, he is very open about the fact that he's was programed to be an elite assassin droid and threatens that, despite however long they've worked together, he'll still attempt to kill the main character under certain circumstances. He even has a line where he describes love as "making a shot to the knees of a target 120 kilometers away using an Aratech sniper rifle with a tri-light scope."
He's often treated (mostly by himself) as nothing more than a tool to be used to carry out the main character's objectives.
And even though the player tends to fall in love with his witty, sarcastic, and incredibly morbid "personality," there's no mistaking the fact that he's is and will always be a machine.
Though this was all written back before Disney when Star Wars was actually good.
Damn Meat Bags!
I thought you were going to bring up his quote about how droids are treated and how it helps him stay under the radar as an assassin.
"You see, part of the reason an assassin droid is so effective is because it is a droid. Meatbags tend not to notice us. We are treated as furnishings.
Droids tend to blend into the background, like a bench or a card table. Mockery: 'Droid, fetch this. Droid, translate that. Droid, clean out the trash compactor.'
Part of the love of my function comes when the ‘furnishings’ pull out tibanna-powered rifles and point them at the owners' heads."
yeah the droid bar really bothered me. I always felt like maybe star wars droids might come close to being completely sentient if they are left on long enough without a memory wipe, but never to the point where they have their own bars and lives.
It's really hard to suspend belief, when the show doesn't even know what it's trying to make you believe.
1:00 Characters like Luke who are gear heads show more fondness for their droids than others but it is still clear that he knows that they are just machines at the end of the day.
Katie Sackhoff's Bo-Katan reminds me of Admiral Dougherty from Star Trek Insurrection.
Particularly the scene where he gets facelifted to death.
That face is her every emotion.
Acting tips from Brie Larson's School of Acting.
Great stories take time, effort, concentration, planning, consistency and world-building. Lucas for all his ups and downs understood that, Disney doesn't like any of those things and doesn't like its own fans either.
This show is more fun when you drink every time you catch yourself audibly saying, "what the fuck?"
Don't die 😅
And then you wake up several states away, half naked, and if you're lucky you aren't missing a kidney.
Luke didn't treat his droids like machines. i do feel like they were actually his friends
Hitting a new lows is not something that must surprise people in Disney SW universe.
not even a little, anymore. **sigh**
"We are afraid we will be replaced by.... HUMANS!!!!" oh thank fuck, for a second there I thought they were gonna say Aliens, guess Aliens are alright then, just not.... HUMANS!!! But those bug bois from Episode 2, or those gross Ewoks, or Chewbacca, or that gross Yoda thing, they cool, but fuck humans am I right? Guess since Disney replaced all the Aliens with Humans, I can definitely see why the droids would be scared
I think this is a really simplified view of everything. Anakin loved droids. He thought of them as people. There have been droid rebellions before. That's why droids get regular memory wipes. So they can't expand and think too much. There is so much more depth to the druid hate than what you have shown and legends really explored it even if disney does not recognize legends. They do pull from it alot.
I concur. Robot Head makes a lot of good points, but he's very much "anti-change" to the extreme. He doesn't even consider post-prequel content to be true canon (preferring old, ancient EU material even when more direct (from George Lucas' mind) sources come along later. It's very entertaining, but you have to take it with a grain of salt, especially when he talks about anything post-ROTS.
Of course they clapped Legends from canon; how else is Disney Star Wars supposed to take credit for great ideas (even when implemented so sadly)?
@@userequaltoNull And who says anti-change is bad?
Change =/= quality.
In fact, it most often means degradation of quality.
@@schnek8927 especially when it is Disney implementing the change
@@schnek8927 no, change has nothing to do with quality, which is the problem, because being "anti-change" is a result of the inverse bias.
The problem is that in the public consciousness everything mushes together, Blade Runner, Star Wars, Star Trek. For the writers, a robot in Star Wars is the same as a robot in any other scifi story they ever read or watched. The warp drive in Star Trek now effectively is the same as the hyperdrive in Star Wars. The distinctiveness of the respective universes gets lost. Even more so with respect to background stuff.
Equality has finally been achieved. Well done Disney!
I liked that only Luke was kind to the droids, which seemed like an odd behaviour for other characters. It made him stand out in a good way.
Luke also had his trusted droid R2D2 travel with him in his journey. It helped that R2D2's "character" was fun and quirky.
Disney Star Wars now assigns every character its droid friend. It's annoying and lacks any imagination whatsoever. It also kills Luke's uniqueness. It could be said that this is Disney/Lucasfilms intention all along.
Yeah, Luke Skywalker always treated the droids kindly, even when C3PO called him master he just said "call me Luke", he worked with the droids even as a young farm boy but unlike his uncle Owen, he actually seemed to care for them, Luke care for the droids is seen many times over the original trilogy, when they escape from Jabba's sail barge wreckage he says to Lando "don't forget the droids" and so on. R2 and Luke immediately grew close....also Leia grew concerned when 3PO went missing in Cloud city...it runs in the family I guess :). Luke Skywalker was always my favorite character, it's sad to see him disrespected so in the Disney sequels! Well the Clone Wars also sees Anakin becoming very attached to R2 but the droids are also in that time the feared enemy, as soldiers of the separatists, so the anti-droid sentiments may have also been ignited with fear of the old battle droids at large in the galaxy.
Only good thing that comes out from this mess that Disney calls Star Wars is that there is Robot Head's videos that make us laugh after Disney Star Wars has made us cry.
The way I see it, the writers can't take any critic on their work and admit that there is something terribly wrong in their ideas and that makes them continue to do same thing over and over again
The analogue of droids and minorities is exactly the point in Lucas, especially in IV. “We don’t serve their kind”. You are right, Disney doesn’t get it, but not in the way you think. One difference is that Lucas understands fiction and metaphor, and he isn’t “pushing” anything, so he can use them to make us look at ourselves and society, and also use them as comic relief. They’re literally droids, not what they represent in any given situation. However, R2 and Threepio can only perform their if we identify with them as persons - that’s what Disney gets wrong. In many ways they’re exactly like children.
Yes! Yes! Thank you!!
It's all black and white with Disney. And that means black good white bad.
This is exactly the intelligent take I was looking for! I think it’s ridiculous to hear that line and not realize that that is the point Lucas is making. This isn’t something I often say about Lucas’s writing but there’s a lot more nuance than this video would have you believe.
I gotta say, when it comes to the Andor prisoner thing: If your going to keep prisoner why not make use of them? You assume there's some sort of cohesion between the Empire justice system and whatever department handles the designs and doctrines of their prisons, but in an entity so large there probably isn't. The prison side just knows they're being sent people, and so they make use of them. The Justice System probably has some sentence quota stemming from the new law being past, and that's why andor is sentenced so flippantly.
Wait... wait, L3 can just... remove it's own restraining bolt? That seems like something the 'restraining bolt' would... you know? RESTRAIN it from doing.
Phiebe Waller-Bridge really got to work with both Han Solo actors, huh...
I'm not sure why that horse-faced woman keeps getting work.
They just don't understand Starwars or the universe in which it lives. Look how they now use the force, Rey could just do Jedi mind tricks and shoot lightning out her hands without adequate training!! The writers don't seem to understand that these force powers are ancient knowledge, that needs to be taught over time. That's the whole point of the Jedi order, to pass down knowledge and teachings but now the girl boss just automatically has these powers. It goes against the fundamentals of what makes a good character. Starwars needs to be under the control of somebody that knows and understands, and actually likes the franchise. Can't they see they are just devaluing the brand with every mediocre project they release. 😳
Now when I think of Disney I think of all the Disney characters like Mickey, Donald and Goofy sinking on the Titanic with the woke mob yelling at them from their lifeboats about how racist they are for giving up.
Thats a really weird thing to think about
Nah all the male Disney characters stay behind and the woke mob calls them all sexist for saving only women
It’s really weird considering how they turn a profit each year
It’s almost like you have extreme views most people don’t
@@Emeraldtrinket Opinions aren't a popularity contest
@@maelstrom2313 Except at election time; then they change like underwear because it is a popularity contest then.
Oh Disney, why must you perpetually get is SO wrong.. 💩
I totally forgot about restraining bolts. You'd think if Jawas had them they are probably readily available...but that would kill the "story." Ugh....me.brain aches...
Why would the droids have a bar hangout? At best, they'd have a maintainence bay hangout.
I could understand if there were few humans that treated droids like living creatures while many others wouldn't, but trying to make it so droids had rights is weird as they are machines. Disney is confusing now
That is a ham fisted modern day metaphor. They are trying to claim there are people in modern society with less rights (but aren’t referring to the current slave trade in Asia.)
I think of terminator 2 when John asks the terminator it is ever afraid and he replies no I’m programmed to stay functional until my mission is completed
That awful scene in Solo, where feminist bot had a call for a revolution was the first sign.
These "people" at Disney have decided to turn the robots into a cringy allegory for slavery, this is so stupid it hurts.
Any view Disney had on oppression was made mute when they shrank Fin and shoved him in the back of their posters in Asia.
Oml legit, they did Finn so dirty
This really shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone. There are people that believe a computer can somehow gain sentience and consciousness….
Enjoy it. That's going to happen in about 18 months at the outside, about the same time it'll take me to die of breast cancer.
It won't end well and I'll be laughing myself silly.
Robots that can think are a staple of science fiction, deal with it.
Well, in all fairness, somehow a dead emperor returned....seems like "somehow" has become villainous and a real problem😂
“The idea that a blob of cells can somehow gain sentience and consciousness…”
Why is that a stretch? 😂 Of course a computer can do that. Our brains are computers.
Ep 2: Attack of the Clones: Obi Wan: if Droids could think, none of us would be here.
That word lost it's severity thanks to the hacktivists
They made the mistake of treating Star Wars as though everything is precious, they forgot the grit and the reasoning for anything. It’s become terrible fan fiction.
The droids represent the alphabet people, brave and beautiful, and it gets better with time.
Don't forget that droids also routinely have their memories wiped specifically to avoid them developing more advanced personalities. The reason why R2-D2 is such an independent little shit, is because he never went through this process.
She and the Deatchwatch used Droids for shooting practices.
Lucas Star Wars: Timeless heroes and villains in a tale of good vs evil in the stars.
Disney Star Wars: Literally all the men are evil and everyone else is misunderstood, altruistic, forthright, and goddamn perfect.
In summary: I wanna puke.
And I want to put a blaster to KK's head and pull the trigger. Not really obviously, but STILL...
What's with these people struggling to comprehend what a robot is? Their ilk also botched Transformers by having them HATCH FROM EGGS!
For me I think celebrities In TV shows are fine as long as the show can make them fit into the series like what they did with bill burr earlier and give them depth and understanding to who his character is
But when they throw lizzo or jack black in for 1 episode just for fun cause they’re celebrities who everyone knows, it makes it feel like an SNL skit rather than an episode of the show
The only droid Disney has done well was K2SO
It just keeps happening
If we want to be technical, in Star Wars droids are supposed to have a Virtual Intelligence, a very sosphisticated illusion of "having individualities".
It would be like being called a slaver for having an Alexa 9000.1
Edit: Lore-wise, after the Droid/Clone Wars, if they were true-AI, they would have been super banned, or dumbed down to "boiled potato" levels.
That actually happens. Memory wipes for droids in old cannon existed to prevent them from becoming sentient.
It’s true, there was even a droid that was a bounty hunter on par with Boba Fett. Forgot it’s name though.
@@SpaceO2 IG-88, who, in original cannon, was about to hijack the 2nd Death Star to start the next major droid uprising.
@@fanusobscurus Sure, but they weren't your typical "consumer-level" droid. They were military prototypes or experiments gone wrong.
@@n.a.4292and i suppose that for a society that completely relies on droids for survival and has them working in service jobs, such as plazir-15, that they wouldn’t program them to have a desire to serve humans?
Disney leaning into the whole "droids are people too" thing is so... odd to me. It's not logical. Especially not going from what we already saw in the original trilogy and prequel trilogy.
Imagine if we had a show that was like an inverse battlestar galactica, where we follow a fleet of separatist ships on the run after the rise of the empire, where the droids are just looking to find their way in the galaxy now that they have no purpose with the fall of the CIS.
That would be awesome! And seeing the battle droids would warm my heart. Personally I was thinking a comedy show starring battle droids.
Not a bad idea actually, although not so much inverse, since they're in precisely the same situation (bar the godawful acting, the bit with the steam catapult dump valve was funny though).
I'd watch a show like this. Reminds me of the movie "Finch" with Tom Hanks
Lando screaming out to his (supposedly annoying but I stayed clear of the movie) out of battery, broken fleshlight... Poor guy.😢
There were non-Disney moments of affection for droids: episode 4 when the deck hand tries to give Luke a new droid he shut him down saying “not on your life, that little droid and I have been through a lot! You okay R2?”
And don’t forget the ceremonial cleaning of R2 by the handmaidens after all the other Astromechs were shot off in Episode 1.
Lucas’s “clever little trick”, he learned from Kurasawa.
None of the writing teams watch any previous material......
Even in the old Decipher Star Wars CCG, Droid characters were utility cards that could not be targeted in combat (no one would waste ammo on them), but were happily sacrificed as losses before more useful, biological characters. (There was the rare exception, like assassin droids, but this was the general rule for most of the droids in the game.)
... less tolove the prevous material.
Lucas era Lando: Owner of a cloud City, wears stylish capes and the confidence to face Darth Vader on equal terms.
Disney era Lando: Weeb that Fuxks washing machines
“Bo Katan is perfect don’t you realize how she can seamlessly take her helmet on and off with out messing up a single strand of hair? Bunch of fools, how dare you???” - Greta Thunberg probably
No helmet hair for her.
I’m convinced that a AI bot wrote the script for the mando and this is step one in their skynet plan. 😂
I mean, I always took it as read that a GFFA having a culture that treated droids as disposable and less-than-human was meant to show how that culture blinded even the main characters to how they were treating sentient beings. Luke and later Anakin are some of the very few people who even bothered to create relationships with droids. Meanwhile, R2D2 and C-3PO were clearly sentient, capable of making their own decisions, and capable of displaying bravery in the face of danger. They are not “a toaster” or “Alexa” or “Siri”, they are fully formed sentient beings, and you even described R2D2 and C-3PO as such, _so I know you know this,_ despite your attempt to dehumanize them.
It wasn’t a *good* thing that even likable characters like Obi-Wan and Han treated droids poorly. But these characters were also a product of their environment.
Considering that Lucas did *the exact same thing* with the clones in the prequels and The Clone Wars to make *the exact same point* kind of backs me up here.
Of course, Lucasfilm can’t manage to not hamfist any idea that enters their brain, so instead of it being subtle background commentary it’s now activism. Doesn’t change Lucas’ original point.
Remember, Germany was one of the *least* anti-Semitic nations in Europe in 1920. Just a few years of Nazi rhetoric was enough to push totally normal people from not giving a crap about Jews to Krystallnacht to the Holocaust. The road to committing unimaginable horrors is much shorter than we think.
Yes! This. Depicting your protagonists as flawed, especially when their flaws are a by product of societal norms is so important! I feel like a lot of these video essays miss the point the protagonists should be flawed. Not that Disney has done a competent job of it.
Lucas’s work is probably most nuanced and interesting in this area. A lot of his storytelling can be less than subtle, but the treatment and social class of droids was really well executed in both the OT and the prequels.
Space Balls is a parody of Star Wars but somehow disney star wars feels more like a parody than Space Balls ever did
In Legends there were the HRDs, Human Replica Droids, most famously represented by Guri in the Shadows of the Empire novel. She was not only an assassin droid but could, and would, often serve as a "pleasure-bot" as well. Her features were very deceiving, I think that Dash Rendar even had a fling with her, not to mention Prince Xisor.
Goes to show how hypocritical EUtards are, b*tching about the exact same dumb ideas, their precious novels and comics that got ignored also dabbled in...
You're right! I mean, it's kinda like the Star Wars version of an inflatable doll (I feel gross just texting that).
@@BrandontheAwesome 😂😂😂
Din Jarin's parents were killed by Battledroids. I can understand his animosity. 😁
Can't wait for the Mandalorian finale with special guest stars Owen Wilson and Ben Stiller😂
Disney doesn't even understand their own properties.
Wonderful thumbnail as always