Tesla’s Chief Designer responds to claims that $25,000 Model 2 is DEAD
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- Tesla’s Chief Designer responds to claims that $25,000 Model 2 is DEAD
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Plot twist: The $25k vehicle is indeed both the Model 2 and same platform for the Robotaxi
They'll be switching all platforms to 48V, and steer by wire. All vehicles will have modular dash units so that any percentage of the production line of any model can be a robotaxi.... and they'll also make a compact/van.
Not really a plot twist. We have known this for years.
Always was the case.
Not a surprise to US 😉
"You're in a Johnny Cab!"
There is a huge need for $25k EVs.
We will get there, adjusted for inflation and content. but it might not be a Tesla.
I consider Tesla's to be Premium EV's, so while it would be nice, why dilute the brand? But if there is a way, Elon and Team will find that way.
You would think the EV manufacturers would have delivered by now.
The Chevy Bolt in the USA is $27k. Tax credits are $7,500 and states and utilities offer additional incentives. My friends mother just got one for $16k after all incentives. If Chevy updated their onboard charger so its not just 50kW, it would blow everything else out of the water. With the charger the way it is, its fine for a 7-hour road trip, but if I'm driving 14 hours I want a Tesla or something else with 150kW+ charging.
BYD
There is a huge need for 15K cars. 25K is too expensive.
It's very possible Tesla deliberately started this rumor themselves , as a way to minimize the Osbourne Effect.
Plot twist: Model 3 will be the $25,000 car.
That would be nice
I mean they would have to lower the prices drastically then. In the US, the Model 3 RWD is ~$39k and the 3 LR is ~48k with both NOT even qualifying for our federal EV tax credit ($7.5k off at purchase) so almost no discounts on the car. All the current Model Y trims are technically way cheaper than the refreshed Model 3 since those all qualify for our tax credit and additional Tesla discounts. IMO, the Model 3 is currently WAY too expensive in the US. When the Model Y refresh releases next year in the US, then both the Model Y and Model 3 prices are going to be pretty high (the SR RWD trims would prob be the only actual affordable options).
It should be considering that's how much 2023 models are selling for at dealerships. Let someone else pay $14,000 of depreciation in a year if you want one
Model 3 become old/out of fashion discount to 25K$ when compared to other China keep coming out new EV like NIO ONVO (real/not hype due 3Q/2024)
They'll sell the Model 3 at cost and make money on the FSD subscription. That's how "razor blades not razors" works. The margin on M3/Y is probs about 20%, so they could lower the M3 price to high 20s.
I don't think many with the FSD currently participating in the FSD trail will buy. It is great and works well, but $12K USD is just too expensive. If they could get it down to $4K or so, then a lot more would buy it. We have and like it, but $12K is just too expensive. They need to get the price way down.
The Model 2 small car segment could likely be the most lucrative EV segment over the next decade, so there's no way any car company would abandon that segment. I would go as far as saying that any auto manufacturer that ignores the model 2 small car segment, will likely seal the doom of their auto company. Thus it simply wont happen. Cancellation is not an option.
The Model 3 wont be in the small car segment, which is too lucrative to ignore. Model hatchback 2 will arrive before long.
By the way, you should do a video about the one month free self driving one of my friend did not even know he had it. He was driving on the highway and did as usual cruise control, but the car start driving itself all the way to his house he was just amazed, and he had no idea he had it.
How long till reliable FSD hits Australia? I wouldn't put down the $AUD10,100 for it. Especially as its tied to the car. If I pay that kind of money for the software license I at least want the option to take it with me if I move to another Tesla.
Hmmm... that Tesla statement didn't help one bit. Tesla needs to realise that what everyone wants is the $25K car. It needs to be a hatchback if it's going to sell in Europe. The sky's the limit for sales worldwide if they get this right. Nobody cares about the Robotaxi, it's not needed.
Robotaxi gonna change the world
I actually agree. Most people want the car, not the taxi or simply could care less about another taxi.
@@ryanviningtubepeople haven't yet gotten use to the idea of not having their own car. Maybe those in their 20s have as uber etc have become the major provider of transportation. So I feel robotaxi will come out this year but gain traction in the next few years but it will be a curve similar to e.v adoption.
Nobody is worried about the taxi... if you need a taxi🫡, I call some... normal people, they want a more economical electric vehicle, be it Tesla or another company, but Tesla has the knife and the cheese, let's see if has the capacity to produce an attractive vehicle...😂
@@Carlosmartinhox Beauty is of course, in the eye of the beholder.
One thing that is not in disagreement, is that at least they don't look just like every other car, though in some places they are the only car on the road anymore
Clever way of hiding the development of the $25k vehicle by everyone focusing on the Robotaxi. They’re going to be built along side each other. Based on the same technology. They don’t want to cannibalise sales of the 3 & Y by introducing the $25k car until it’s almost ready for production.
Don’t be surprised if the $25k is launched first.
I call this super BS. 💩
@@dagmelkathat’s what I thought of the Reuters story. 🐂💩
@@malcolmrickarby2313 i hope you're right. When you see the robotaxi unveil... hope it doesn’t debut in 2027. GL.
He just announced Robotaxis release to get back at the short sellers after the market closed. Remember the Robotaxi was supposed to be here four years ago too.
Musk didn't actually deny the cancellation of Model 2, he just announced the Robotaxi unveiling...
Reuters is the muppet mouthpiece of wise guy investors who want to drop Teslas price so they can buy in before it skyrockets.
Reuters has been shown to be click bait driven as well as having an anti Elon and EV bias. Elon has invested billions in this project and has built up credibility over all other car companies.😊
Tesla timelines for new cars has always been very optimistic. Case in point, The Roadster.
But they always deliver well above expectations and miles ahead of other carmakers.
the cybertruck is "well above" expectations? you must be a clown, go back and check all the promises they made for the cybertruck especially the price. 😂😂😂
False. They don't always deliver.
Model S? Delivered. Model X? Delivered. Model 3? Delivered. Model Y? Delivered, despite the Press calling it vapour-ware. Cybertruck? Delivered, if late. Only the new Roadster and getting FSD to Level 5 to go.
Phillip.
The full self driving don't work.
I use it frequently.
It's everything from annoying, to dangerus.
1. It don't read signs:
Here in Norway we have electric signs for speed. Tesla can't read them.
2. suddenly the car breaks on the highway from 100 to 30 km, because the road crossing the highway have a 30 kmt limit!
3. When you come to a merging lane, the car follows the center. This means that it turns hard at the end. Annoying but, can be dangerus.
4. In the rain the cars self driving, limits the speed, and frequently tuns off. This has become worse with the upgrades. Looks like the system are going away from lidar.
If you turn of the full self driving, and try to use just "adaptive cruise control" you still get the breaking problems, and it looks like It's afraid of big vehicles.
In the winter this is 2-3 times worse.
Maybe this works in California on a sunny day, but in the winter when you need to find your lane, and you don't see any markings this is a whole new ball game.
My short free trial agrees with your assessment. We will have self driving cars however FSD as it currently is does fall short. As system that relies on painted lines is only as good as the lines.
It did 3 stupid things just yesterday driving less than 10 miles.
We dont have the same software in Europe though. FSD is da completely different thing than autopilot. In Europe we basically have had the same version of autopilot for 6 years.
What they won’t say is it’ll cost more
Look like Elon/model 2=25K$ is long delayed again! Possible raised above 30K$ like CyberTruck when available.
A lot of inflation happened since the $25K car was announced, it's a $30K car at least at this point as Biden is running the money presses at full speed.
Or maybe he can not compete at this price point with the government subsidised BYD cars.
@@neildolan7177 same like US EV Gov/IRS tax credit up to 7500$ that partially kill FSR Ocean.
You can buy a model 3 for $30,000. Its the manufacturing. This car will be built by bots = cheaper
In over 40 us states there is no such thing as "approved by authorities" for FSD - you can just start using it. If it crashes, a judge will decide damages.
Only 40? I didn’t know any states required approval.
Its approved if someone is in control, what they mean is that nobody needs to pay attention. That's not approved at all yet
Yes, the US has no laws.
States have bills that expressly prohibit creating laws for future precedents. You cannot pass a law to prevent UFOs from landing in public places until it actually happens. In addition, when they do land in public places, the states are mandated to pass laws to address it. It's a bill introduced to prevent too many laws or not enough laws being made.
As soon as people drive unattended with FSD they must make regulations. But not until then.
Not in every state, I live here in United States too and I don’t like bold claims like you guys saying they do this to US. You were full of shit in the US.😂😂😂😂😂
was shocked when I saw that article and then elon's tweet linking to his blog post suggested a model cheaper than the model 3 might not be required if they get production costs down. I hope they proceed with model 2, even if it is more expensive than the Chinese competition, people will pay that bit more for the software and charging network.
What I keep hearing from Europeans is the Model 3 is just too big for some medieval era towns and cities. People want a compact car that maneuvers better and can be parked in more places.
The model 3 is pretty wide for the U.K. we would like a golf sized hatch. It’s not really cities, although some parts are narrow, small parking bays etc. But in the countryside… where I drive every day, small roads can JUST fit two cars in, so when a car comes the other way, you have to slow down, pull in to a wide section, let the other car go past etc. So the model 3/y just makes all this a bit harder. A lot of Europe has similar narrow lanes.
@@peakproofukYep, same here in Germany. For me it's mostly the parking lots. Especially the width. I'm a skinny guy and drive a compact car (2014 VW Polo). Our lots are so narrow (because the standard width is still from the 70s AFAIK), and there's so many SUVs and horribly incompetent parking, that I usually have to squeeze myself in and out of my car. I really have no idea how fat blokes in SUVs get in and out! 😅
My guess is Tesla is going for their ChatGTP moment and pulling back on the ruins. As if true, the demand for Robotaxi will be sky high impact sales across the rest of the business. Telsa might not know best way to navigate a dramatic shift.
I just hope the Robotaxi equivalent of the thermonuclear-explosion-proof glass demo on the Cybertruck results in minimal injuries.
How can some people say that the Model 3 is too big for UK roads as it's the same size as any other family saloon and smaller than a Ford Mondeo. Think before you say ridiculous comments like that.
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Sounded to me like he was acknowledging it was true, otherwise he would have outright denied it
I read a tweet on X that mentioned the Model Q (the compact car) would essentially be the robotaxi design but will have a steering wheel which the robotaxies will not (Elon relied to it with an emoji or something). So does that mean that this compact $25k car is just going to be a 2-seater with 1 driver, 1 passenger, and a hatchback design for some storage?
Also I believe that on 8/8, Tesla will unveil the robotaxi and prob the Model Q which will just have a similar design but with a steering wheel. Then they'll focus solely on the robotaxies and the Model Q will be released down the road since it's prob not the biggest priority (the robotaxies and FSD look like they currently are since this is what Tesla has been talking about for the last several years).
looking at the stock bounce yesterday it looks like someone was shorting the shares and just made a killing...
A Broken clock is right twice a day. Anyone for a game of high-low?
Tesla should do a hatch, station wagon (yes there’s still some people who want these), large SUV (without those unreliable, complicated and unnecessary gull-wing doors and a stylish minivan.
I’m all for the wagon. I like suv practicality but can’t stand the inefficiency.
It will take years and years for them to produce a new model. Sure they can unveil a prototype, that part is easy.
Wagons are cool. If Tesla can't come out with a 25k car in 2-3 years I will just buy a VW Passat wagon 2nd hand.
@@fuxzor these are sweet vehicles, very comfy, practical and discreet.
They can't do that because of the way they manufacture vehicles. Legacy automakers have platforms that cover multiple models and they can produce them on the same production line. Tesla needs a dedicated production line for each model and that takes huge investments and need big volumes to recoup that investment. Why do you think they basically sell only 2 models, now ramping up the 3rd one?
I just don't get why there are so many Tesla / Elon haters when Elon and the team at Tesla have done one amazing things. I bought FSD in 2020 and sure - it wasn't worth it in the beginning but I can tell you this... watching it evolve from "now way - this isn't going to every become truly FSD" to "OH MAN!!! THIS HAS A CHANCE! I SEE THE LIGHT!" I take huge road trips from Key Largo to Colorado many times per year and without FSD on the highway - I wouldn't be able to drive as far as I do.... I can go way longer now (that what...)
Interesting! Never thought of FSD as an efficiency booster.
Agree. Auto pilot on the highway is a life changer for long drives. One does not realize the amount of attention that is required just to keep the car in it's lane. Driving becomes less tiring, and my situational awareness increases tremendously because of this freed up energy.
The UK needs the smaller Model 2.
Models 3 and Y etc are too big for many UK drivers with our very narrow roads.
Rubbish!
maybe they just need to upgrade roads built before christ was born.
I have a model 3 and have driven down some of the smallest roads in Cornwall. It's not ideal for them but neither is 98 percent of cars. I don't think it's too big at all.
Honestly some people will resort the biggest load of crap to try and trash Tesla cars! Narrow roads FFS!
@@scottmcshannon6821 They can't even fix the potholes.
I think they haven't given up on the M2 but they are rethinking the whole "all new production processes, engineers will have to sleep on the assembly line until it gets sorted" approach. The leaked email in the Reuters report actually says "suppliers should halt all further activities related to H422/NV91". Elon has said in the past that Tesla could sell the vehicles at cost and make their margins on software. With the FSD improvements they might no longer feel that they need to invent an entirely new production process - with the cost and slow ramp-up it entails - and instead use existing processes to make an affordable car they can then sell FSD subscriptions for. And also make a robotaxi version of that.
I read this corporate response as waffling about the future of the Model 2 because Elon has made questionable internal decisions. Maybe he’s told everyone they’ll cancel it, but that’s not realistic market positioning for Tesla’s EV lineup, and there will eventually be a Model 2. It’s gotta be tough working for Tesla with Elon in charge and everyone trying to work with and around him. They’ve seen a lot over the years.
We have a pothole problem in the UK. Can FSD avoid potholes?
Roads are worse in the US in many states…
Yes but not yet.
Phillip.
Reuters is lying or better publicising stuff that helps ICE car makers.
I trust Reuters more than Musk. Maybe just orchestrated, but who knows.
Musk didn't actually deny the cancellation of Model 2, he just announced the Robotaxi unveiling...
Some people don't care about EV, or FSD, they just prefer to drive .....
Morning mate
Roadster and semi were unveiled in 2017…still not available…remember this in terms of the robotaxi “unveiling”
8/8 HH.
Semis are out there. Just saw one this week in full Pepsi colors.
@@JBoy340a All thanks to the California State Government and their love of Pepsi.
With high interest rates, it should be top priority. 😏⚡️
If you can't pay cash you can't afford it.
@@oldbloke204 I paid cash for my Model Y. I’m talking about most other people. No way I was going to pay 6.4%.
@@Shane-zl9ry Most other people can't afford these vehicles then?
The economy will likely collapse without the debt ridden wage slaves spending money they don't have on stuff they don't need.
I mean...you'd naturally redirect the engineering and design teams to other projects, once you've finalized the design of the platform/model. Here's the thing though, this is the same media that can't wrap it's head around iterative design from SpaceX, even though it runs the LEO business.
There are people that think Tesla is a car company. My bet is now the Model 2 design is done in principle the priority is the "unboxed" manufacturing method, the materials and the machines required. It's so pivotal to the cost cutting that everything has to wait until this is finalised.
Phillip.
"Stay tuned, we're still trying to get Elon to not cancel the project".
Cruel.
The compact car and the robotaxi are the same vehicles, all you have to do it take off the pedals and steering wheel!!!! At least right now.
Plus the robotaxi is going to take longer then the compact because they need government approval, that is going to take some time, so both car is important and will be used.
The $25k car was announced in multiple official Tesla events. It would be a material breach of Tesla's fiduciary responsibility to its investors if these statements were false. If what Reuters broke was true, Tesla would either be forced to corroborate or say nothing. They said not true, so that is now on the record.
They can mislead. And it looks like they are. They could just make this clear and say plans regarding it haven’t changed. They say nothing instead but vague mushy statements.
@@singed8853 I'm unclear on how Musk saying they lied is a vague or mushy statement.
@@arleneallen8809 It's vague and mushy because it's general and not specific. If he said every single detail in the article was untrue - it would be less vague and less general. Instead, he gave a statement that would not be considered false per se if just one portion of the article was inaccurate and the rest accurate.
The released fsd for one month free because they will exponentially increase the data intake for ai fsd improvements...this is a great strategic move to accelerate the evolution of fsd. Think about the years of data acquired if near every tesla used it for a month!?
I suspect Elon set up two design teams, one for the compact car and one for the Robotaxi. And then later on it became clear the differences turned to be negligible with steer by wire. Can’t wait to see the Robotaxi on 8 August.
Until FSD allows you to start and end your journey in the back seat then it is only enhanced cruise control
Exactly
And should be understood and treated as such.
I drove a friends Model 3 with the FSD trial back from the airport last week. The times it worked, it worked better than when I went on a road trip in another friends Tesla with an FSD trial in 2019, however in a two hour trip, it had 3 phantom braking incidents, 4 braking incidents that I'm not calling "phantom braking" because I realized after the 2nd time that when it sees a fresh patch of asphalt on an old sun faded road it thinks its an obstruction, 3 incidents of kicking me out of FSD for no reason I could see, 1 incident of kicking me out of FSD claiming the car was over the breakdown lane (it wasn't, but all the lines were faded, which is what I think caused it), 3 incidents of not noticing speed limit signs and 12 incidents of me accidentally taking it out of FSD when I turned the wheel too hard when it prompted em to prove I was in control by turning the wheel slightly. As it is now, I don't see any value in it. I assume someone will eventually have real Full Self Driving, but its not a Tesla in 2024.
Yep. And with the limited cameras only setup it's not really going to get much better.
Unboxed Manufacturing is supposed to save about 30%, a model 3 comes in close to 40k, that puts it at about 28k......OK, the math isn't quite right, but this is just to illustrate how close they are currently. Battery prices continue to drop, and probably will for the forseeable future, a $25k car should not be that difficult.
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I heard a rumor that the robotaxi roll out will mimic the cyber truck
You heard a rumor about the future? Where did you find a functioning Oracle? Delphi has closed shop.
Robotaxi is not a vehicle, but a service. All but 10 state's laws permit full self-driving cars right now. As soon as Tesla feels FSD is good enough to take liability for any accident where it is at fault any Tesla within the two million currently on US roads and in lawful states can be a Robotaxi. Dedicated Robotaxi vehicles will also be added to the fleet.
Elon Musk was dodging the question about the Model 2 cancellation and simply Tweeted that Reuters are liars. Yes I think it's cancelled or 'posponed' or whatever you want to call it, same thing.
The free trial for FSD is as much about data as it is about selling more. The more data they have the easier and faster they can improve FSD.
And if it comes out, when it comes out.. add inflation to the original price promise.. so 25k. 2018 means.. Expect base price 34k if 2025 model and 35.5 if 2026..
I have a 2022 MY LR and I am still waiting to get the FSD trial offer, it has been a couple weeks sind the announced trial program, I would like to know when I should expect to see it
Strange, no software updates pending? Mine came within days, and then another update days later.
Still waiting, too. It might be an all month roll out as some have said.
Let's face it, Reuters is not the Reuters we once knew. Just another has-been rag.
I think the Robotaxi and The Model 2 Redwood are essentially the same car slightly reconfigured for their intended purposes. Tesla is going to make Reuters look like complete jack a&&es.
Reuters has jumped the shark apparently.
In my opinion Tesla is trying to create a 'sense of doubt', if the 'model 2' will ever arrive. Hereby they can persuade (certain) people to buy a (much more expensive) model 3/y. Real 'full self driving' is years away!
Senior wxecutive declines to make price sensiti e statement - shocker.
SEC would have given him a monster fine if he'd said anything to confirm it's cancelled or moved down the priority list. I think he could have said the report was false without issue if Tesla has previously announced they're working on the M2 and they still are
Lets assume Robotaxi is in full effect... when the robotaxi runs out of battery... does it go to a charge station and plug itself?
yes
@@philiptaylor7902 maybe in 2030 😆.
I'd love to be proven wrong.
Show us a video when it arrives please.
Just ship a model 3 with a 50 mile range, and it can be a $25,000 car. Call it the Model3 Short Range.
Then sell $10,000 battery expansion packs. Easy.
*software unlock
A Tesla Short Change. Great idea.
Tesla does need a new model but more for choice than price. Tesla could sell the Model 3 for $25,000 and still make a profit so price point is really not the issue. However, many drivers would love to have a smaller car and if it has a hatch back that would be even better. And if it gets the full tax credit that makes it the $17,500 car and that would bring in a lot more customers.
I think Tesla is just trying to avoid saying they are making a 25k car. I think they are still working on the Model 2. It might just be priced closer to 27-28k
I doubt there ever was going to be a retail $25,000 vehicle. Tesla never said for sure there would a so-called M2. Information out on the Robotaxi yes tons of it, the retail vehicle no. This is not going to end well for Tesla.
That's a shame if it is dead.
Was hoping the Model 2 would be the one for me!
If we just look at how Tesla announces and delivers a new vehicle that should give us all an indication that the model two is 4+ years away from exisiting. They haven’t unveiled a prototype. They haven’t started accepting reservations for it. They haven’t built a factory to manufacture it. Where is the Roadster? I just waited 4 1/2 years for my Cybertruck. What does that mean for the model two? At least five years if I was a betting man!
You wouldn't need to remove anything just make the steering wheel and pedals inactive
The idea that FSD being solved will kill the entire market for buying new vehicles overnight is just absurd. Cars are a big thing in culture, and people them as a status symbol.
@@shadowninja6689Peoples cars used as Robotaxi?! Ugh. I want my car to be my own personal hygienic space. I don't want strangers farting, hocking luggies, wiping boogs, vomiting, or other spreading other various body juices in my car. Yuck.
@@shadowninja6689 it won't kill the entire market, but it will kill a large part of the low-end, appliance cars. Those cars that get you from A to B without being any sort of a status symbol. Compact cars and crossovers barely sell in the US as it is; in a robotaxi world they would make very little sense to own
Robotaxi will be a slow roll out, going city by city.
Will roll out in 2035
Why do we need full self driving?
Let's say Tesla needs a stronger denial if indeed it isn't true. It's sounding like it actually is true or effectively so. Tesla could be focusing on the robotaxi and completely neglecting Model 2 and if the Roadster is any guide that means it's effectively dead. I happen to think it's a pretty big mistake to go robotaxi only, even if we supposed that autopilot was fully functioning which it very much isn't. And wont be for years unless they let me help. A company the size of Tesla should very much be able to develop multiple models at the same time. It's very strange that the Roadster hasn't appeared yet and Model 2 could have appeared many years ago as well. Model 3 is a number of years old by now. That Tesla ever only works on one car is quite strange.
Plot twist: it's an "american price", so 25k plus VAT plus tip plus some strange local tax 😂
"What, you didn't know that 25k really means 33k? Have you never been to a restaurant?"
@@vinterskugge907 I have. But only in sane countries where the price is exactly what you'll pay.
This is a gift from MSM to Tesla investors. FSD is 95% - the 5% is a long way from being able to relax (while being attentive).
Reuters will just loose more customers. This is not fundamental research. Robotaxi, people like to drive cars themselves (cars are status symbols). Will take a long time before people stop driving themselves. Just not a big market yet. Small EV, big market now.
Tesla should seriously consider take lawsuit against that ungrounded claim.
That will expose them unnecessarily imo.
They can't. The Reuters report was accurate. That should be obvious to you after watching the above video.
The report looks to be accurate by and large. Reuters would have no legal liability anyway if it’s just reporting what they were told.
Reuters would do legal discovery on all Tesla internal documents and they would have enough information that they can twist for many more stories.
Reuters would counter sue for lible.
The fact that Tesla management refuses to have a clear communication with its retail investors made mem sell my shares after 3 years.😔
Got a lot of 3s and Ys to sell before we go here, their prices getting cheaper all the time as they ramp and battery prices drop.
The much vaunted 25 K car will come when it suits Tesla.
The robot taxis have a far bigger market potential and environmental impact than 25 K model 2s and if FSD is truly coming of age as an investor I’d rather get this sorted first then release the human driven version later.
Tesla will likely prioritize the Robotaxi as they have Fsd 'cat in the bag' already before others catch up. Who is closed behind Tesla in Fsd with actual proof?
NIO Smart Drive (I think)
Can Reuters be brought up on charges for stock manipulation?? Maybe that would get them to validate thier sources, to push the blame of this false news story which made the stock drop for a bit. Remember "Funding Secured"?
They should be, it’s like much of the garbage being spewed on the lead up to the Model 3 unveiling.
It was Musk who said funding secured.
No, not stock manipulation. If what they have stated is false, a claim for damages against them by Tesla would almost certainly be approved for a hearing.
I'd be more worried about certain members of the Tesla board being investigated for stock manipulation for promising and failing to deliver the model 2, myself.
Answer at @03:32
Tesla's plan for a 25k car is as bullet proof as the glass of the CT.
Sam you should also report the flaws that Tesla drivers of v12 have experienced.
Why, everyone knows them…
He aptly covered those in a previous post.
Nobody claims it’s flawless. What it is is vastly better than the previous version despite only being developed for under a year. Like, they started over from scratch and made something much better in under a year after 8+ years of previous development and that represents a large acceleration of development which should continue to some degree.
Fsd v12 is a toddler, it’ll reach maturity extremely fast, it will be flawless soon after that, the timescale will blow people’s mind. Tesla has done the hard part now it’s just data input, and people are still skeptical.
@@OO-uk3zt I don't think so. FSD will never be perfected as FSD because it's based on flawed first principles.
To stay tuned does not mean that there is some truth in the Reuters lie.
There will never be an "Affordable" EV for the mass market in America and Especially Canada.
I think it means that Tesla can pivot very quickly. So right now the model 2 is still top priority but he knows that Tesla could quickly change its mind. So he is just leaving the door open in case musk doesn’t want the model 2 to be the top priority any more.
They won’t bother with a $25K car as Elon has realised the Chinese/German or combo will get there first and the margin will be so low it won’t bring much additional revenue being a me2 player . The Robo taxi is largely an untapped market and he is ahead of the other car makers here so it’s logical to invest the money here. The bad news for retail is that this car will be Tesla owned so not for retail sale for the consumer to make money on it while they sleep and also that your current Tesla will suddenly become a robo taxi for it to do the rounds and make money whilst they sleep. Further IMHO the robo taxi will be severely limited in area of operation and be rolled out SLOWLY to other areas based on safety reporting which of course is of paramount importance to everyone
One thing we know from experience is that Tesla ALWAYS over promises and under delivers. I guarantee whatever they do it will not be available at the price promised for years to come if ever.
Another plot twist: the Model 2 and Robotaxi are two different vehicles...
It was always two different vehicles. The Robotaxi won't have steering wheels.
The $25k car is not dead. Its called the Model 3 LR.
Short range*
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@@DreDresChapters No-no, I meant Model 3 Long Range. That's the car that needs to be $25k if we are to have a chance at EV mass adoption.
But his response was no response. That title is clickbaity.
Just give me a 30k hatchback and take my money already. PLEASE.
Books on Elon Musk have repeatedly reported that Tesla staff often ignore Elon and secretly work on a car with pedal and a steering wheel when Elon dictates that a car should be with out.
I mean, I would like to think I'm a forward thinking tech head who isn't stuck in the past... but. If a car doesn't have a steering wheel I'm not buying it. 😒
1 month trail is more data collected , important fact missed by u , take care on the bike though , & ur kids
When Tesla FSD reaches level 5, which I believe will happen shortly, it will be worth $65,000!
Has anyone from Tesla ever stated just how these robo taxis are going to be charged without a driver to plug them in? Wireless perhaps, or going back to the barn to be plugged in by an attendant?
What an easy job for the robot. Just drive to a supercharger with the robot, the robot plugs it in. Ideally, the robotaxi could just eject the charger and drive on.
@@External2737 So you're saying that a supposedly driverless taxi will require a Tesla robot? Or am I misunderstanding? If so , that would negate the savings of a lost job of a human driver.
@@jamesr.9239 I'm saying the charging station would require a robot. One for every 16 to 20 Robotaxis. A human costs, with taxes, 2x, to 3x a robot per year (if not more).
Tesla will figure out a long term cheaper way.
Dude, Tesla’s robotaxi with no steering wheel will not be for sale, it will only be part of a wholly-owned Tesla fleet!
Yes, there will be a $25k consumer-facing model-2 for sale to the public with steering wheel based on the new-gen platform. Tesla will replace Toyota, Honda, VW, GM, Ford, etc as the go-to mass-mkt sub-$30k brand in the West.
I’m waiting for my new all-electric Mercedes-Benz ML with “Tesla Inside”!🤔
It should be obvious. Elon's model2 was going to be only a robotaxi without a steering wheel. Franz argued that Tesla could build a small car on the same platform. Elon agreed with Franz. The way FSD is going. Elon now wants the robotaxi to be the priority. The small car will now come after the robotaxi but that does not mean that the small car couldn't emerge while robotaxi is handling the regulators.
[Further] I suspect that Elon thinks that the only reason people have small cars is because there are no robotaxis. Small cars are hard to make safe.
FSD will make tesla way more money than the small margins on cheap EVs so i don't think Model 2 is a high priority. I think alot of cheap volume EVs are held back by lack of volume for latest battery technologies. In the US batteries need to be made in the US to get the incentives and incentives will be critical for cheaper volume EVs like model 2. Model 2 will probably $30K and only under $25K with incentives. So Model 2 not before 2026 in any sort of volume.
Full self driving is not L5 autonomous driving…when are the Tesla zealots going to acknowledge this basic fact
So neither Elon or Franz clearly say that the Model 2 is coming. If Reuters were wrong, they wouldn't be so vague.
Reuters is not really a news service. They are MSM. They sell stories.😊
It's all about profit
I trust Reuters more than Tesla and definitely more than anything Elon says. The fact that Tesla now won’t answer directly indicates the report was good journalism and Tesla is now engaged in double speak to CYA.
I’m not sure a self driving taxi is a good idea in American cities.
In ANY city….
You will be when it is "a good idea".
If a self driving car is safer than a car driven by a human, then the question would be posed why do we allow human drivers? How many road related deaths are human error? There were approximately 40,990 deaths last year. If you have a "cure" for this death, or even a remedy, being a car driven by a computer, then surely that is a good idea. Anything that can drive the road toll downwards significantly is a good idea don't you think?
I agree. Sadly I think they will quickly become robo-rolling rest rooms, crack dens, bordellos, etc. I like both NYC and Tesla, but they'd better do some careful planning, particularly since we no longer care to detain, prosecute or commit those who commit crimes against public order.
@@zoransarin5411 In that respect yeah it’s a good idea but these things will get stolen, thrashed and vandalized in most large cities.
Nonsense, we have seen prototypes already in Germany.....
I think he should stick to being the spoke person and hire an actual designer 😂
Something else is up. A merger?
Stayed tuned? BOOO