I love this. I play french horn. Everyone says saxophone sounds sexy but the french horn is sexy too. You have to play it right tho. French horn I'd challenging but its a beautiful instrument. So thank you Dave, for sharing your talent!!!!!!!!
What absolutely gorgeous playing! What an inspiration, and, for a young composer, an education: an exposition of what horns can and ought to sound like.
Absolutely beautiful. Wish I could play the high notes this well. I think I have a bad embouchure because my lips hurt when I play and get a puffy ring on them from the mouthpiece.I can only reach the high "G" (one octave above middle "G) about 1/3 of the time, but I can reach a low "G" 3 octaves below that with almost no problem. I almost think I should have been picked for tuba, but I was such a tiny little thing when I joined band the director probably thought I couldn't lift a tuba.
+rodrigueskorn Medical bills, living expenses, and student debt. I got acute tonsillitis (and almost died from it) and failed out of college. I ended up selling pretty much everything I owned, which was fine. Except for my horn. In good news, my family pooled together and got me a decent intermediate horn for my birthday last year! I sound like a dying giraffe but I'm so freakin' happy to have a horn again.
Khiarhu , I understand. So sad you having to go through those problems. Fortunately, you own a horn again. I hope you're better today. It's really good to be happy, so stay happy and stay strong too. Keep the horn sounding loud and in a good tone! :)
it's a Bb single horn, with an A+ stop valve, and natural F 5th rotor for the open F horn tones. there is only one valve cluster so it's not a double or descant horn, and the use of his thumb for the pedal F and extra tubing in the back is the natural F section.
Thank you for the explanation. I looked in almost a dozen dictionaries of musical terms but not one had it. 'Snarling' is exactly the word I would have chosen for the sound elicited from the instruments by this instruction!
Wow, just realized this comment of mine got so many likes 9 months after posting it. 10th grade horn player now. I have experimented in other instruments such as trumpet, baritone, tuba, and of course mellophone for marching season, and still find the horn to be the most enjoyable. The point you made about embouchure is very true, as the french horn embouchure is unique. I'm a little more mature now in my understanding of why the horn is actually harder, and anybody who wonders can ask me.
I'm not a horn player, but I can answer your question. "Gest." is short for "gestopft", the German word for "stopped." This is the instruction for the horn player to stick his hand into the bell of the horn in a certain way to get a buzzy, snarling sound. It's used often by composers, and became prevalent as a tone color beginning in the second half of the 19th century. In english-speaking countries, it's usually called "hand-stopping".
I think the valve closest to the mouthpiece actually is a stopvalve, for when playing stopped notes. Since muting the horn with the hand raises the tone aboute a semitone or so (makes the horn "shorter"), some horns are fitted with a second thumbvalve to lower the note accordingly (making the horn "long enough" again).
This is possibly the hottest French horn player who ever lived....and he sounds better educated and better spoken than anyone in the royal family (as well as sharing a similar accent). The biggest bonus: he plays the BEST instrument a person could play: the French horn of course.
Getting the proper tone out of a naturally sharp instrument by using your hand to adjust pitch isn't always easy. The embouchure horn players use is different than other brass players. The mouthpiece is placed with 2/3 on the upper lip. With a single fingering a horn player can hit an amazing amount of notes. The horn also has one of the greatest pitch ranges of any instrument. I play horn and bassoon. Fingerings on basson are just as easy. Out of curiosity, what musical expierience do you have?
Another famous moment of hand-stopping is the very beginning of Mahler 9, where in the fourth bar, the second horn plays the beginning of its motive "stopped", and then in the second half of the fifth bar is immediately asked to play "naturally".
@melvinoffsky I don't think it is the horn that makes the player, but the player and his/her dedication to the music that can make a really great player. I had a professional Horn player tell me once that it doesn't matter what horn you have, to an extent, you will play any horn with your sound and make music.
@ilovefrenchhorn35 I'm an oboist and I started by playing clarinet first which is pretty common. The embouchure is very different, and you'll have to learn new fingerings, but with practice it's not too bad. The most difficult thing about playing oboe is finding (or making) a good reed. Good luck!
Question to horn players from flute player (i.e. someone who knows nothing about the horn): there's a passage near the beginning of Sibelius Symphony 4 when the term "gest." is written above the two horn parts. What does "gest." mean? Thanks for any enlightenment on this!
@Thecrazykielbasa An A-stoop It is use'd to make it esyer, if you are going to play as neutral French Horn. Then you just press it down and then you dont have to worry about the change of your finger settings. But I would say that is is'nt esye to use. Best Regards Apoesk21
I think it's the woodwind equivalent of the oboe (just my opinion since I've played both). The French horn is THE HARDEST of all, which is partly why there are so few who "grow to maturity." Keep on playing...and don't play other instruments if you can help it. Your embouchure must remain pure. (: If you have to play anything else, say for marching, make sure you get an adaptor and play on things like the Mellophone.
Thank you I am originally a woodwind but i got my French horn in May and it is tough. i got the F horn so I only has 3 valves and its hard, I can never get the high notes. I prefer my Flute because i am used to the notes
Thats kind of like saying that the trombone has no keys so its not a challenge. there are over 20 notes on the horn because it depends on how you blow.
it looks like a double horn but in the close-up it looks like there are two triggers. i'm betting its a double horn because of the lack of tubing where the high f tubing should be
french horns is the hardest instrument im not just saying this because i play it it has been proven! the buttons are not the challenging part it the tuning and your hand and how your mouth sets on the mouthpiece and you have to press the right button IT IS THE MOST CHALLENGING INSTRUMENT!!!!
Agreed, even play for 5 minutes in a row is very challenging. French horn has a small mouthpiece making it hard to play. Advance French Horn players can play for very long but they have to build up muscle in their mouth. So what am saying is don't be trick on how many values it has. Is trumput any easier? Yes because of the mouthpiece but just because it has three values that doesn't make it an easy instrument
French Horns are one of the hardest instruments to play. I would know, I'm in beginner band, and I play French Horn. There are 3 valves* and 1 trigger. There's only three valves because the rest of the notes-we have to move our aperture. You have to have fast air, correct posture, correct tonguing, and correct aperture. I would like to see you pick up a French Horn and master it. Go take a music class, thank you.
I don't understand how using a triple is cheating. He is a pro and his job depends on how well he can play, if you ask any other professionals in any field not just music if they could upgrade a tool to improve their job security I don't think any of them would say no.
Cole Drinkwater My best guess is that it's a second 'trigger' valve, making it a triple horn. These have three sets of slides, tuned with the standard F and Bb, with the third usually in either Eb or soprano F. It is designed to give the players greater security in the higher registers, but at the expense of increased weight, a potentially compromised sound due to the mathematical proportions of the piping, and of course the fact that something like that pretty much is only available at the professional level and is priced accordingly.
I am a tenor sax players,our 3 french horns have not left the instrument room in a few years because no kid is brave enough to get it.I tried to play it and I sounded like a fucked up whalllllez
16 combinations to play a notes, alternative fingerings to each not to make it go in tune, and not to mention smallest mouthpiece in the brass section that also has the highest demand for range low and high. Why do you think it made its way into the guiness book of world records for hardest instrument
As a former 8D player I can say that lighter horns are the way to go these days. 8D's are too big and tubby. Yeah you can get the sound you want but you have to work so hard to get it. I'd rather have a smaller horn that can make life easier so I can focus on the music.
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I love this. I play french horn. Everyone says saxophone sounds sexy but the french horn is sexy too. You have to play it right tho. French horn I'd challenging but its a beautiful instrument. So thank you Dave, for sharing your talent!!!!!!!!
This guy does everything perfectly
What absolutely gorgeous playing! What an inspiration, and, for a young composer, an education: an exposition of what horns can and ought to sound like.
Awesome Musician! I was fortunate to be in amasterclass and recital by Mr. Pyatt
As a clarinet player, I still approve this message.
Absolutely beautiful. Wish I could play the high notes this well. I think I have a bad embouchure because my lips hurt when I play and get a puffy ring on them from the mouthpiece.I can only reach the high "G" (one octave above middle "G) about 1/3 of the time, but I can reach a low "G" 3 octaves below that with almost no problem. I almost think I should have been picked for tuba, but I was such a tiny little thing when I joined band the director probably thought I couldn't lift a tuba.
Actually, french horn is (according to the Guinness Book of World Records) the most difficult instrument to play.
Thanks for your time It was quite helpful indeed. All the best
I miss my horn so badly...having to sell it was the most heartbreaking.... you play beautifully, thank you for sharing.
My case is opposite. I might be getting a horn soon sooooooooooo happy!
@cole did you get it yet?!
+Jensen Goslyn Why would you sold it?
+rodrigueskorn Medical bills, living expenses, and student debt. I got acute tonsillitis (and almost died from it) and failed out of college. I ended up selling pretty much everything I owned, which was fine. Except for my horn. In good news, my family pooled together and got me a decent intermediate horn for my birthday last year! I sound like a dying giraffe but I'm so freakin' happy to have a horn again.
Khiarhu
, I understand. So sad you having to go through those problems. Fortunately, you own a horn again. I hope you're better today. It's really good to be happy, so stay happy and stay strong too. Keep the horn sounding loud and in a good tone! :)
it's a Bb single horn, with an A+ stop valve, and natural F 5th rotor for the open F horn tones. there is only one valve cluster so it's not a double or descant horn, and the use of his thumb for the pedal F and extra tubing in the back is the natural F section.
Take heart, French Horns are a vital part of any advanced band. Stick with it, and you'll most likely go places.
I play the French horn and love it so thanks for the tips
What a wonderful player David is,and thank god,unlike a professional football earning a million a month,,he can actually talk intelligently.
Thank you for the explanation. I looked in almost a dozen dictionaries of musical terms but not one had it. 'Snarling' is exactly the word I would have chosen for the sound elicited from the instruments by this instruction!
2. There are actually 5, as this is a compensating double horn with a stopping valve (Paxman 33).
Wow, just realized this comment of mine got so many likes 9 months after posting it. 10th grade horn player now. I have experimented in other instruments such as trumpet, baritone, tuba, and of course mellophone for marching season, and still find the horn to be the most enjoyable. The point you made about embouchure is very true, as the french horn embouchure is unique. I'm a little more mature now in my understanding of why the horn is actually harder, and anybody who wonders can ask me.
Among other things I like the stress he places on breathing correctly. Good video.
Great playing, very musical and easy going
@Thecrazykielbasa - It is a Bb/F Horn with a A-stoop
just made my day
Gran leccion sr. David, se nota mucho tu gran tecnica, asi como tu impresionante musicalidad. Enhorabuena
you are on your way my friend
Oh thanks! It wasn't too late, I was just curious, and I'm on youtube often enough
I'm not a horn player, but I can answer your question. "Gest." is short for "gestopft", the German word for "stopped." This is the instruction for the horn player to stick his hand into the bell of the horn in a certain way to get a buzzy, snarling sound. It's used often by composers, and became prevalent as a tone color beginning in the second half of the 19th century. In english-speaking countries, it's usually called "hand-stopping".
I think the valve closest to the mouthpiece actually is a stopvalve, for when playing stopped notes. Since muting the horn with the hand raises the tone aboute a semitone or so (makes the horn "shorter"), some horns are fitted with a second thumbvalve to lower the note accordingly (making the horn "long enough" again).
oh snap, i completely missed that. thanks for letting me know :)
Correction, it is a triple horn so it has 3 rotors, and 2 triggers, making a total of 5 valves.
Super helpful. Especially MSND. Thank you!
This is possibly the hottest French horn player who ever lived....and he sounds better educated and better spoken than anyone in the royal family (as well as sharing a similar accent). The biggest bonus: he plays the BEST instrument a person could play: the French horn of course.
I play French horn! :D F HORN RULES
Getting the proper tone out of a naturally sharp instrument by using your hand to adjust pitch isn't always easy. The embouchure horn players use is different than other brass players. The mouthpiece is placed with 2/3 on the upper lip. With a single fingering a horn player can hit an amazing amount of notes. The horn also has one of the greatest pitch ranges of any instrument. I play horn and bassoon. Fingerings on basson are just as easy. Out of curiosity, what musical expierience do you have?
Another famous moment of hand-stopping is the very beginning of Mahler 9, where in the fourth bar, the second horn plays the beginning of its motive "stopped", and then in the second half of the fifth bar is immediately asked to play "naturally".
This is very impressing considering the french horn is one of the hardest instrument in the orchestra.
@melvinoffsky I don't think it is the horn that makes the player, but the player and his/her dedication to the music that can make a really great player. I had a professional Horn player tell me once that it doesn't matter what horn you have, to an extent, you will play any horn with your sound and make music.
@ilovefrenchhorn35 I'm an oboist and I started by playing clarinet first which is pretty common. The embouchure is very different, and you'll have to learn new fingerings, but with practice it's not too bad. The most difficult thing about playing oboe is finding (or making) a good reed. Good luck!
i know its a bit late, but @pizazzify let me know that there are five rotary valves, an indicative of a triple horn. hope it still helps
Question to horn players from flute player (i.e. someone who knows nothing about the horn): there's a passage near the beginning of Sibelius Symphony 4 when the term "gest." is written above the two horn parts. What does "gest." mean? Thanks for any enlightenment on this!
I'm supposed to play it next year
Looks like a compensating double descant, standing in Bb. That's one hell of a horn.
@jrwhorn2626 Yup, the 8D is the standard sound for American horns.
I wish I could play a wind instrument. I love the french horn.
@Thecrazykielbasa An A-stoop It is use'd to make it esyer, if you are going to play as neutral French Horn. Then you just press it down and then you dont have to worry about the change of your finger settings. But I would say that is is'nt esye to use.
Best Regards
Apoesk21
Was the last note in the first movement an E flat? I didn't realize horn could go THAT low.
@melvinoffsky what does that mean? That conn 8D's are "basically not even real horns anyways"? Just curious. I'm testing out a conn 8D at the moment.
@StealthyCarrot999 dont get cocky. For every pep/jazz/concert/school band in the world there is someone just as talented if not more than you.
Depends on the horn....doubles have 4 (w/trigger) and F horns have just 3.
Why do you have four rotors? What kind of horn do you have?
I think it's the woodwind equivalent of the oboe (just my opinion since I've played both). The French horn is THE HARDEST of all, which is partly why there are so few who "grow to maturity."
Keep on playing...and don't play other instruments if you can help it. Your embouchure must remain pure. (: If you have to play anything else, say for marching, make sure you get an adaptor and play on things like the Mellophone.
I'm trying to play the Weber concertino for my Horn and I've played for a few years
Thank you I am originally a woodwind but i got my French horn in May and it is tough. i got the F horn so I only has 3 valves and its hard, I can never get the high notes. I prefer my Flute because i am used to the notes
also i play well but im still learning have u even played it cause if u havent then step off!!
@apoesk21 What is an a-stoop?
This is epic. I'm lead French horn in my hs band
Thnx for the tips XD it actually helped
Thanks :)
Looks to be a Paxman 45 descant in Bflat/Falto with 5 rotors (A stopping rotor I'm guessing)
and the horn that this guy is using (descant horn) actually has FIVE valves (two thumb triggers).
Is that a Double or Triple horn?
Omg what kind of horn is that?? It has like five rotary 'coins'!!
Thats kind of like saying that the trombone has no keys so its not a challenge. there are over 20 notes on the horn because it depends on how you blow.
omg you can click and drag the subtitles
it looks like a double horn but in the close-up it looks like there are two triggers. i'm betting its a double horn because of the lack of tubing where the high f tubing should be
french horns is the hardest instrument im not just saying this because i play it it has been proven! the buttons are not the challenging part it the tuning and your hand and how your mouth sets on the mouthpiece and you have to press the right button IT IS THE MOST CHALLENGING INSTRUMENT!!!!
Wow, come on man. We all love the horn, there's no point in bickering.
What kind of horn is he playing?
Agreed,
even play for 5 minutes in a row is very challenging. French horn has a small mouthpiece making it hard to play. Advance French Horn players can play for very long but they have to build up muscle in their mouth. So what am saying is don't be trick on how many values it has. Is trumput any easier? Yes because of the mouthpiece but just because it has three values that doesn't make it an easy instrument
they also have to know the partial of each note they play or it will not come out the way you want it
ive just got my grade 3 french and learnt some vital tips on breathing and timing so thanks very. btw i got 115 out of 150
What kind of Horn is that
French Horns are one of the hardest instruments to play. I would know, I'm in beginner band, and I play French Horn. There are 3 valves* and 1 trigger. There's only three valves because the rest of the notes-we have to move our aperture. You have to have fast air, correct posture, correct tonguing, and correct aperture. I would like to see you pick up a French Horn and master it. Go take a music class, thank you.
He sounds quite muffled, I wish the mic setup could be a bit better for that. It’s upsetting for his wonderful sound to be corrupted like that
You could hear that too?
@TyrantRave0 ?
I don't understand how using a triple is cheating. He is a pro and his job depends on how well he can play, if you ask any other professionals in any field not just music if they could upgrade a tool to improve their job security I don't think any of them would say no.
Jacob Kadan I would personally use a triple if I could, but I don't have any idea how to use it haha
Its not because of how many notes you can hit out of the harmonic series of the Horn.
@melvinoffsky Pyatt is amazing, one of the best in the world. Still, don't bash the 8D. Lots of fantastic horn players still use them.
Looks like a Paxman model 33 compensating F/Bb double horn with A-+ valve, standing in F.
I believe is playing a compensating triple horn.
What does the fifth rotary valve do?
Cole Drinkwater My best guess is that it's a second 'trigger' valve, making it a triple horn. These have three sets of slides, tuned with the standard F and Bb, with the third usually in either Eb or soprano F. It is designed to give the players greater security in the higher registers, but at the expense of increased weight, a potentially compromised sound due to the mathematical proportions of the piping, and of course the fact that something like that pretty much is only available at the professional level and is priced accordingly.
+Nick Hadfield It looks like a compensating triple.
French horn forever!
I am a tenor sax players,our 3 french horns have not left the instrument room in a few years because no kid is brave enough to get it.I tried to play it and I sounded like a fucked up whalllllez
sorry.....thought you just said there are more then 20 note to a horn
16 combinations to play a notes, alternative fingerings to each not to make it go in tune, and not to mention smallest mouthpiece in the brass section that also has the highest demand for range low and high. Why do you think it made its way into the guiness book of world records for hardest instrument
Lets see you play French Horn and see how well you can do. If it's easy, you should be able to play the most challenging of excerpts.
the miking means that you can hear his valves which can get a bit annoying :( but great video!
why isn't there a vocal masterclass....
how can i get rid of to wat it sounds like a bird chirping wen i play my horn?
TRRRRRRRRRRRRAaaaaaaaaaaa.
i can could bearly get clear notes
JC Ayala embouchre
@mlongpre17 I'm sure he's keenly interested in your views.
YEAH!! YEAH!! YEAH!! notice the Horns!
@Agomongo1235 Yeah some just call hit "Horn" because it's no French, but it doesn't really matter :p
As a former 8D player I can say that lighter horns are the way to go these days. 8D's are too big and tubby. Yeah you can get the sound you want but you have to work so hard to get it. I'd rather have a smaller horn that can make life easier so I can focus on the music.
cool! i play flute too
@Starbuckluva44 Read the title of the video...
Except when you consider air, which is way more important than both!
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i'm going to play french horn
Also, correct embouchure.
there are five rotors though
I am in last chair in band. I play Fhorn and i am in 7th grade and i dont even know my note i just hear the trumpets play so i copy them
five valves?!
It's actually four....