As a GWOT Marine Infantry veteran, and now husband & dad… this video hit me on so many levels… And as Michael Scott said, you really went after our intellect…
I believe it was Jonathan Ferguson over at the Royal Armories Museum who said "The M16A4 had a rather uncontroversial burst system, uncontroversial in that everyone hated it."
Couldn't stand the damn thing on the A2 . I'd rather have just run it like my AR -15A2 back at home without an ever changing trigger feel that sucked donkey balls.
Growing old is remembering when GT used to dislike the A2 grip, then talked about someone telling him to get over it awhile later, and now he's telling us the same thing. Seeing the evolution is heartwarming.
I built an M16A4 using a free float rail. I took the FSB off, slid the free float barrel nut on, slid the 12" free float quad rail on, mounted the quad rail to the barrel nut, installed the FSB back on with the gas tube and front handguard cap already attached. The front handguard cap for the drop in handguards fits inside the free float rail with about 1/16" clearance all around. It looks identical to the classic M16A4, unless you stop and look at the rail real close, you will see that the rail is not touching the front handguard cap. I did my own trigger job on it, installed reduced power springs and it pulls at 4 lbs, with a smooth as glass action, and crisp break. I'm running an older Bushnell 4 x 18 scope on it. I get 1" MOA at 100 yards, with cheap steel case ammo. It is a great shooter
My favorite bit of information is that when the Marine Corps was issued ACOGs for their A4s we were getting so many headshots there was an internal investigation because they were afraid we were executing people. To paraphrase TheFatElectrician, “Imagine going up against an enemy thats under investigation for pinging too many headshots”
Headshots have been very common since ww1 at least. People tend to take cover so that head is only place to hit. Old finnish medical military notes from ww2 had cases where 90% of rifle wounds were on head. Your numbers must have been closer to 99% with modern equipment.
BTW, the buttstock magazine pouch started back before then it was used in the 90s on M16a2 for certain "peacekeeping missions" and guard duty. IFOR / SFOR and other NATO missions. Its use goes back to at least WW2 with M1 / M2 carbines.
Just when I was left alone with my thoughts and they drifted off into not necessarily the best direction, Garand Thumb uploaded a video about my favourite rifle. Thanks man.
@@Zacharoni4085 It mostly is alright, but at some times i just lose track of what I want to do with my life, as I am not too far into it (only 18 years) and think of how i ended up with basically no social life
Yes, I thought that I was remembering it right. Been so long since I've seen that I wondered if I was remembering the right movie or show. The Holy F'n Grail !!!!
I was an armored in the Marine Corps. I worked on A1s through A4s. I concur with your assessments you presented. The 3 rd burst was a joke. The cams were getting chewed up and mangled. We even had one go full auto because the cam was shot. The amount of money spent on R&D to supposedly save money on ammo was due to how it was fired in Nam. We trained to fire burst, usually 4-6 rds much like we did with M60s. The accuracy with the A4 was due mainly by beefing up the metal in the upper and lower receivers. R or L shooting I personally only had to adjust the sights 1-2 clicks at specified range. I personally believed in the A4 as a trust worthy weapon. I do support bayonet training and use. Lastly, like you, they should have made the barrel whole on the exterior.
3 round burst seems completely unnecessary, as you said - you can fire bursts using full auto.. Were we just trying to save ammo or is there any logical reason to use burst over full auto in a combat setting?
What in the world are you talking about, they increased the amount of metal in the upper/lower receivers? Why the hell would they do that? That has nothing to do with accuracy. I would bet money it's a standard forged aluminum upper and lower as per the TDP.
Exactly what I carried in Afghanistan...A4 with an ACOG. I was actually a part of the first classes in MCT to have that setup issued. No shit, got a BRAND NEW, fresh out the box, still had shipping oil on it M16A4 with ACOG. I didn't want to give it back. 🤣 Great rifle (though I like the M4 a bit better for obvious reasons) and great optic, too. A fair amount of people still didn't trust the ACOG when I was in...I was a unit range coach and constantly had to tell people, "just trust the damn thing!" Thanks for the nostalgia, Mike and crew.
I had a range safety (SSG) tell everyone with an ACOG to use the tip of the chevron to zero My buddy didn't believe me that you shouldn't do that until I showed him the Trijicon manual
@@tedhodge4830 Yea, I had people trying to do all kinds of weird shit..."Kentucky windage" when there was no wind, ignoring the ranging marks, etc. It's like, "just trust it ffs". Works great if you do!!
Before dismissing bayonets, there’s a few things to consider. 1. War is chaos, ammo is limited and things don’t always go as planned. 2. Whatever your plan is, the enemy gets a vote (includes opting for human wave tactics) 3. They used to say putting guns on fighter jets (like the F4) with “modern” missiles was “obsolete” since they’d just shoot them down before they got close enough for guns. History shows this was a mistake. 4. Bayonets still have an intimidation value which is useful for crowd control. There are accounts from veterans noting local populace’s tendency to become more subdued when the bayonets were out.
@@TheInfantry98 lol I don’t entirely disagree. Bayonets used to be indispensable but now their importance has diminished significantly. WWI and the machine gun proved you can’t just mindlessly throw masses of infantry in a bayonet charge and overrun positions like in olden days. Bayonets may not be as integral as it used to be but that doesn’t mean they’re entirely useless in modern conflicts either. From Vietnam to Iraq there have been instances where bayonets proved useful. The Marine Corps still trains with bayonets. It’s understood that it’s a tool who’s deployment should be left to a very limited set of circumstances but nonetheless, you want to have them and know how to use them should those unlikely circumstances arise. Perhaps an enemy, knowing Americans reliance on CAS and artillery would favor the tactic of getting so close that Americans can’t use said CAS/artillery support.
This video brought back flash backs of Al Anbar 2007. The muzzle hammering my shins as I patrolled with a a SMAW on my shoulders .....I can feel it now.
Great Dad advice. I’ve made it a point that when my Daughter comes up to me to look her in the eyes and show that I’m paying attention. Means the world to her just to know she has it.
I totally agree on that point. When my children were younger, I didn't have a cell phone to be distracted with but other things like work and proposals did. I tried my best to put down whatever I was working on to answer their questions and give them my undivided attention even at the risk of losing my place of the work at hand. I always let them know I love them. Not something I grew up with but needed to hear. Your kids need to hear this a lot.
Ues. Make a conscious decision to value the time you have with them...every second...even if you fail to be perfect. Because at the end, before Jesus takes you home, you will know "I tried my best every day".
I grew up on the M16A4 in the Marine Corps. There's a lot of cool guns out there today, but the M16 is still my favorite weapon of all time. I'd happily take one into the end of the days even as a civilian.
I still run whats essentially an a4 as my go to rifle. There's definitely tradeoffs to it, but knowing that i can lob 5.56 at the speed of light makes it worth it to me
My very first rifle when I was a kid was an M16 bb single pump air gun. The envy of the neighborhood. I’m 50 now and this video just woke up the inner kid to get a real one. Awesome video, thanks for sharing!🤙
I was an Armorer in the Corps. One unique problem, only one time, the hammer pin walked out on a Marine at the range. That blew my mind because I've never seen that before or after that. On another note, the sling swivel being riveted to the barrel is another weak point of the rifle. Having the sling attached to the barrel makes another pressure point on it, causing it to flex when used. Other than the short comings of the rifle, its reliability that I've seen was great, besides that one time malfunction previously stated. If the Marine Corps would've done some modifications to the rifle, like free floating the barrel and maybe changing the barrel profile, it would've been superb. I believe thatere was a small batch that had those mods, but i can't remember the name of the rifle, maybe SMR or SAR, something aolng those lines. Just a handful of rifles but not Corps wide.
SAMR. They had Kak rails with a stainless heavy 1-7 twist barrel and issued with a 2.5-8x Leopold MK4 and a Knight suppressor. We ran 77gr through them in country. The one I carried would run sub moa
The hammer pin is not heat treated at all and if you get it anywhere near a burn down, will temper that pin and it will lose the leaf-springyness (lack of a better tem) and basically a shim rather than a pin.
That marine rant during the Bayonet overview had me in tears hahaha, we need a compilation of all the marine jokes you throw. shit kills me each time lmao
You're really carrying out your fathers legacy to the next level. Instead of doing the same neglection you experienced, you're choosing outright non-existence of a spawn to neglect. 🤣Daddy is more of a man than you, he still had a maiden and some spawns, you have a lot of manning up to do little sprout.
When I was involved with service rifle competitions, I heard a tale about soldiers who were shooting their issued M16A2s in matches. They'd dry fire twice between live rounds in order to get a consistent trigger pull for the slow fire stages.
M16A4 with irons only was what my unit had in Ramadi Iraq 2006. Love that weapon. Something to be said for a fixed stock and longer barrel, long sight radius, etc.
A lot of stories coming out now about how the Seals led by Jocko caused alot of headaches for you guys because of their recklessness. I wasnt there and not sure 06 was the year for task unit Bruiser but the birds are chirping now.
@@flank84 I have no clue what you're talking about. We ran a few missions supporting the SEALs, never had an issue with them. We had hiccups, as happens in war, but overall our deployment was ridiculously successful, and my unit came away from it highly decorated. There were a few units that caused us some trouble at times, but nothing major. Some units were slow to learn/adapt, but this is to be expected. Can't think of anything the SEALs did to cause us grief.
@@flank84 they sound like a bunch of MeToo women. Always waiting 20+yrs to whine about it. When someone becomes successful, worthless individuals come out of teh woodwork to tear them down out of jealousy. In a rare few instances they are telling the truth, but then why wait so long? If they knew something all this time, why didn't they say something sooner?
I'm 5'7" and when I was in the army that A2 stock killed me, especially with armor. Now that I'm out I wanted to relive the wonderful M16A4, but this time I put an A1 stock on my FN clone. This makes it so much more pleasant for us vertically challenged people lol
it is crazy how good the videos on this channel have gotten. ive loved seeing the progression from his plaid adorned monotone gun reviews to the absolute spectacle that is garand thumb now. 10/10
Bayonets… My grandpa was stabbed with one in his armpit area in the Korean War and managed to take the guy out still, bare hands I think. Never talked about it with us grandkids much. Purple heart and several bronze stars and made it back home. He was a BEAST! Don’t make ‘em like that anymore. RIP Papaw!
Veterans of the Battle of Chosin said that they used every weapon they had on the Chinese, but it didn't even make a dent. They just kept coming. Those Korean War veterans are truly made different.
My great uncle was a 60mm mortarman in the 7th Infantry Division in Korea. Had some real gnarly war stories. The Korean War got downright medieval sometimes. Chinese human wave attacks by dudes high as phuck on opium/ blackout drunk, just bum rushing the frontline to overwhelm the defenses. And after 1950 much of the frontline solidified into World War I-like trench warfare. Hand to hand combat happened for sure.
We had the A2 during my time with the Marine Corps. The 3 round burst was so controllable, as easy as shooting it semi. The A4 is the ultimate version for a full size AR-15 for accuracy, longer effective range, and controllable suppressive fire.
Only 0:12 in and I already loving this. The intro made my week! LOL That dad advice - 10000%. You never know when the last "Daddy's home!!" happens until it's gone.
That's as much fun as during the Clinton admin years going cheap to "decide to save money by bussing unit back from JRTC" at Ft Chaffee AR. and McDonald's stops for meals. 🙄 The fun of having a Plt of 11B's crammed on a bus for a multiple day trip in Army bluebird busses, a Plt per bus. But would fly bus drivers out to multiple locations and put up in hotels for driver changes. I'm sure that a few busses had to be thoroughly serviced afterward. I should note this was in late summer.
I was a Marine and I carried the A4 and my not-a-carry-handle lived in my ruck. Not one Marine ever told me that I “had” to have it attached to my rifle. The RCO was such a reliable sight and it was an absolute tank, that there was never any concern about needing backup irons readily accessible.
Love this content. We carried both the A2 and A4 from 1996 to 2014 in the AF Reserves, sometimes had M4s on deployment. We ONLY had irons to qualify with. Only Irons/Aimpoints when deployed. The Viet Cong complained to the Hague (1966, I believe) that the tumble and yaw of 55gr out of 20in bbl at 3400 fps was a violation because it wounded them so horribly. 35 yrs later we were shortening down and complaining low velocity 55gr rounds were only poking holes and we needed 62gr M855A1 and now 77gr to give short bbl distance to 600+ yards. I still think a 1:7 or 1:9 20in bbl bullpup with hybrid steel case ammunition is the answer. Carries easy in vehicles, fights around corners, velocity wounds like a bitch in every bullet weight, could be designed to use 60% of stock parts, could extend the life of 5.56 15 years, could adopt specialty rounds like 6ARC or 6MAX to 1200yds in 77gr hybrid steel ammo for another 15yrs. I stand by my claim that you need 20in bbl and 3400 fps to really own the enemy. Anyone agree? Disagree? Why?100% on Dads and kids!🎉🫡
I did the designated marksman course ran by the Army Marksmanship Unit. They took a service rifle and made it sub-1MOA with just a couple changes: 1. Free float barrel 2. Two-stage match trigger 3. Match ammo (62-grain open-tip rounds out of 1:8 barrel). We used the ACOG but also had to qualify with irons out to 600m.
Please do videos on the following: -Shotgun Mud test -Review the ARAK-21 -Which is better the PKM or the M240B? -Possible Sand Tests for the future? -How good are mini shotgun shells vs 2 3/4? -Invite all the GunTubers you can to Idaho with a rifle that they would take into combat and have them run drills and compete with each other to see which rifle set up would work best.
These are all awesome ideas. Mini shotgun shells are intriguing. The idea of stacking 15 of those vs 5 3 inch is interesting for home defense to say the least
An M16 with it's 20" barrel is no longer than an M4 with a suppressor, and SHORTER than an M7 or an M27 with a suppressor. And it enjoys full 20" barrel ballistics. I was in a mechanized infantry unit, and was issued an M16A1 and later an A2. I found no problems whatsoever using either in around or from our armored vehicles.
@@rfcdgaf bro I was literally in a mechanized infantry battalion, all vehicles in the United States military designed up until about the year 2004 were specifically designed for the M16. It's a total non issue. Take note of the fact that the M7 and the M27 are both longer than an M16.
The problem with the M16A4 isn't the 20" barrel, it's the 12" KAC rail and optic. Those things are 9 pounds unloaded without optic if you believe the FM. I think most people care about the weight of an M4 over the 5 inches of extra barrel length.
@@tedhodge4830 I agree. All my ARs have carbon fiber severe Duty handguards on them. Including barrel nut and all Hardware a 12-inch Jag composites SFH Severe duty handguard weighs 4 oz. I have uploaded several videos covering them.
@@tedhodge4830 The crazy thing is that the new M7 will be even heavier with all the crap that they'll be hanging off of it. And the combat loadout will be 100rds. Crazy.
There is also a company making an el cheapo rail that has the same effect. They use an aluminum clamp around the triangle. First time I tried it I was amazed at how rigid it made the rifle compared to the plastic split handguards. The rail was like $25 compared to KA.
@@Danstheman1357 No it was actually an American company not an import, although I'm sure there are Chinese copies of this system now because it's surprisingly nice. The company IIRC wasn't really a gun company, they were just machining random products. I found it by google search just look for the picture where the front of the rail has this round circular thing that lays flush with the triangle.
the C7A1 with Elcan C79 optical sight was the rifle I started on, I have seen the C7 with it's permanent carry handel, last rifle used was the C7A2, still had the C79 Elcan sight
Back in early 2000, I was a small arms instructor for navy security force company. There is a way to actually "bump" the 3 round burst to almost match full auto, but it takes a lot of practice.
Bro I swear anything can bump fire if done right, I've seen people bump fire on video games even using increased vibration settings to avoid needing a good trigger finger 💀
Love the bayonet opening! My dad was in two bayonet charges in WWII. Definitely big cajones stuff. He used to say it was one thing to kill someone 50 to 100 yards away and something quite different up close.
Man size targets out to 500 are no problem if you do your part. I put a suppressor on my M16A4 clone build and pushed it out to 450. I have a video on my channel, not nearly as cool without the burst however 😢
They already have one where they basically went down range behind a berm and let people shoot at them so they could see the effects and sounds of rounds being shot at you but they definitely did it at a distance and talked about wind Calc and stuff. Good vodeo
What you found out with burst is what I learned in Marine bootcamp. Our CO told us this before we tried our rifles on burst the first time. “ You will most likely never use burst. It fires so fast that with a proper hold you’ll end up putting three rounds into the same target at less than 200 yards. You will only use burst when shooting at distant targets where by then the spread will be big enough to give you a better chance of a hit. Otherwise, you will never use burst.” So we went to a foxhole, aimed at man size targets at 100 yards, and put the rounds into a fist sized group.
I never shot burst in boot camp. There was a single unimportant event in MCT where we loaded a mag with like 9 or 12 rounds and let a couple bursts loose. All I remember is the stupid spring twang and my muzzle climbing way too much. All I remember about the A4 in general was banging the barrel on my left knee and the awful spring sound that is somehow louder than the muzzle rapport
Love the Monty Python reference. Expertly done as usual. Also, I hate to admit it but the M16A4 was my service rifle, and therefore my first rifle, and also my comfort weapon. When treated right it’s reliable, dependable and accurate. Thanks for letting me see it again.
In desert storm we had, what we called, m16a1 and a half. It was an a1 with full auto setting, but someone got the bright idea, to put a2 furniture on the a1 to make it “look” like an a2. So the enemy would think we all had the newest and greatest, which we didn’t, I liked it, being 6’4, the longer stock fit me better. The funny thing we ran into, the units that had the a2, wanted our rifles, because we still had full auto. They hated the a2 burst feature.
As I understand, the government profile barrel was born from a misunderstanding. They put test rods down the barrel to check if it was straight and they had a bunch getting stuck at the gas port. They took this to mean the barrel was bending there and so, thickened the barrel. But in reality, the barrels weren't bent, the gas ports had burrs on them. And also, thickening the barrel past the gas port wouldn't even prevent it from bending at the gas port, so it was a mistake stacked on top of another mistake.
FWIU, it was jacket material building up on said burrs over time. A bore scope would've let them know that, but electric bore scopes were in their infancy and very expensive back then.
Back in the 90s, with A2s (USMC) we RARELY used the burst feature. We always knew it was for suppression and picking up the ROF when the SAW guy was reloading, but never ever for any kind of long range shooting.
I think this is my very first time seeing someone in real life using A WAY an M16A4. Everyone used to use the single shot M16A4 all the time, and now after seeing this...I have fallen in love with the M16A4, its capability and power that they unfortunately want to replace (assuming they haven't already). You are the best, bro.
4 months late but for those viewing later like myself, at 12:06 you guys stumbled on the real reason (besides saving bullet-munny) for 3-round: to increase the probability of making hits at all at distance. This has been a big thing throughout military arms development, is increasing probability of a hit per trigger-pull/attack/launch/etc. It's why there were experimental rounds with two or even three bullets in one cartridge, different burst mechanisms, etc. Because for any given number of rounds in a given amount of time fired, whoever has more hits is more likely to win the fight, regardless of *how* they were put down.
It was so cute at 1:43 when Mike asked Micah if he knew about the m16a4 and Micah said "No, can you tell me?" It reminded me of how I sound when my wife mentions something and I just want to hear her talk.
@@FirePirate099 OK, we'll start with perhaps the most successful. The British Charge at Basra. Once you're done reading about that one, I'll happily share some more. But hint: Garand thumb already mentioned Fallujah, so you should probably read about that too, while you're at it!
I went through basic training where Bayonet training was still part of it, 1986, and the rifles were a mix of M16 and M16 A1.Bastards road marched us 15 miles to the bayonet course. All I know is I had a selective fire with forward assist and bayonet option, 20 inch barrel I believe. I am not a full gun guy, just what I remember and like from training. I have built a couple AR15 16 inch semi copies WITH a bayonet adapter for the shorter barrel length. I have a spot in my heart for the bayonet. May I never have to use my civilian tools in a life or death situation...But the sight of a naked homeowner charging an invader with a rifle with a big ass knife on the end of it because they broke into the wrong house just mite make the person rethink his life decisions. Might save a lot of headache if it stops rounds going downrange.
This weapon just gave me OIF I flashbacks, right down to the sling and magazine pouch. With the exception of the Eotech, we weren't cool enough for anything other than carry handle iron sights.
@ismaeljimenez6562 there were units that had eotechs and acogs in OIF I, but only half my unit did. I didn't get my first acog until 2004, a few months before we redeployed for OIF III in Jan '05.
I normally don’t leave comments here, but I gotta say this is my absolute favorite gun channel on TH-cam, the most real life experience and the perfect mix of science, facts, and entertainment with some of the best editing and camera work in the business! Keep up the good work fellas!
When I was in the Army in 1969/70 I trained on and carried both the XM-16E1 and the M-16A1, neither of which had the 3-round burst capability but had off, semi and auto for fire selection. With our limited 20rd detachable box magazines, that we normally didn't load beyond 18rd, I tended to be conservative with my ammo usage and so would normally fire in semi-auto mode. If I did fire on full auto, I would try to squeeze of as few shots as possible. If I was really quick on the trigger I could limit it to three rounds. With good fire discipline, I think that I would rather have the option of firing fully automatic, as wasteful of ammo as that is. If I were carrying an M-14, which I did train on but never carried, I would definitely rather have the three-round burst capability as opposed to full automatic. I was a very thin and light young man at that stage in life and the recoil of the 14 was something I really had to concentrate on in order to get decent accuracy. I was not a natural marksman, although I did qualify as a sharpshooter on the 16 in training. One of the problems in my rifle qualification on the range was the fact that my weapon did jam a few times, necessitating the breakdown and manual extraction of the jammed round, all while the popup silhouette targets were going up and down. Complaints to the range Sergeant were pointless, as I was told to quit being a baby and to just suck it up and deal with it. My dream of shooting Expert and maybe qualifying to be a designated marksman was never to be; such is life.
Us, Navy Seabees were probably the last community to switch from the M16A1’s… fully automatic!!! We did upgrade to quad rails at least… I wasn’t issued an M4 until 2015 when I went to Iraq… that’s how long we had the A1’s… I would love to have one now!
I was an instructor at the NGMTC SDM course at Camp Robinson Arkansas (along with Gary Wallace (MO), Chuck Reed (KY), Joe Noe (IA), Mark Richards (IN), Chris Greene (TX), Tommy McGee (LA) and the gang, best group of humans I ever worked with!). The SDM course issued the M16A4 w/ TA31NSN ACOGs to students at that time. Part of the graduation requirements included ranging and engaging twenty SITs / iron maidens, out to 600m +/- 25m on the unknown distance range with IRONS and then Optics, a generous 10 minute time limit for each run, 70% hit rate to pass. That M16A4 w/M855 green tip (more so with M855A1) is totally capable of striking targets at that distance. The SITs were standard NATO size, 1 meter tall, .5 meter wide.roughly 40 x 20 inches. Regarding the USGI iron sights on the M16A4 (and M4 and M16A2 for that matter). That USGI front sight should have been made to come to a sharp point rather than a flat square. I loathe it. Also, the aperture on the USGI "long range" rear sight (and M4/M4A1 BUIS) is ENORMOUS, way too big! The M16A4 is capable of much better iron sight performance with that slight improvement. Notice the front sight profile on the WWII Nazi bolt action rifle. They come to a sharp point at the tip. I don't understand the US Army / USMC fetish with the squared off front sight tip. (Sidebar: the Marines also contributed to the design requirements of the M16A2, you can thank the Marines for that adjustable rear sight, the Army didn't want it!) The USGI front sight ought to come to a sharp point, rather than a flat square. The NAZIs got the front rifle sight design right. Pride & our cut and paste culture I guess is why the Army can't adopt something that works better. Anyhow, that squared off USGI front sight gives the shooter only a general idea of shot placement at distance. With the USGI front sight It's like using a sheet of plywood as a front sight on the 500m and 600m SIT targets. "SIT: Stationary Infantry Target" as referred to in the US Army Corps of Engineers Range Design Guide. www.hnc.usace.army.mil/Missions/Installation-Support-and-Programs-Management/Range-and-Training-Land-Program/Range-Design-Guide/
"That USGI front sight should have been made to come to a sharp point rather than a flat square. I loathe it." I'm not military but I noticed the same thing and it honestly baffles me... Ended up modifying my own by filing down the front sight to a point and illuminating it.
Some shooters prefer a larger front sight post because it makes for quicker recognition, from what I have been reading in some research before. The sharper point was on the M16 A1 however and I believe that you can swap out the posts with the older style. However, the M1 Garand had very similar sights to the M16 and it also included the fatter front sight post. The burley corn sights of the axis powers may seem precise but they are hard to use when trying to Kentucky windage shots. The doctrine that was initially developed for the M16 seemed to suggest that the rifles wouldn't be used past 400 ish meters so a more precise, "match" front sight post like the M16 A1 didnt really matter all that much as past that distance, the idea was that Crew-served weapons would take over.
I've been there for matches with guys like Densmore, Street and Hicks from TX. We took some regional and national match trophies home. We were students of the legendary "Lord" Charles Blackwell, and Col Don Tryce.
I like the Monty Python reference in the opening
Had me dying😂
lol we thought we were hilarious
@GarandThumb bro you remind me of bear grylls lol
Perfect 😂
John Cleese would be pleased!
"Bayonetts are obsolete"
That's bold talk for someone within crusading distance.
Lol
Never have to reload the M9....
@artyomg7515 You win the Internet today! LMAO
You never know. And every M-16 also needs a carry handle. This video is cringe.
I find them rather shallow and pedantic
It's funny that we carried A4's with ACOG's through Fallujah and now days most people don't think you can clear houses with a 20" upper.
you can. but do you *want* to? but who wants to clear a house anyways when you have a 20 year old lcpl on his 5th divorce behind the Mk19?
@@mh3225rah, em I right?
Damn. Those GWOT bros are the GOATs.
@@Truthbomb918 oh yeah because they weren't sold the pretext of preventing another 9/11 soy boy. Hindsight is 20/20.
@@Truthbomb918 on the internet to much
The music synced with the gun bursts is just insane production quality.
Agreed, that bass drop in the intro using the burst fire was very well done.
Garand's slow transformation to Solid Snake is undeniable
his snake is pretty solid alright
@@p_serdiuk😳😳😳
I mean... Yeah.
Merle!
I'm here for it
Calling a barracks a “dOrM” is the most Air Force sentence ever uttered
Nice work, bro. Came here to say the exact same. lol
You should check out our Dining Facilities.
Yeah try the seahut like a contractor ha
Garand Thumb: What you plebs don't have hotel rooms?
They also eat at dining facilities
12:05 - Two impacts on steel at 300 and a failure to feed all at the same time. God I love this gun
I was just checking the comments to see if anyone else noticed that. 🤣
@@paulis7319 same lol
@@paulis7319 same ;)
Glad I wasn’t the only one to see that
@@paulis7319 lmao same here hahaha
As a GWOT Marine Infantry veteran, and now husband & dad… this video hit me on so many levels…
And as Michael Scott said, you really went after our intellect…
I believe it was Jonathan Ferguson over at the Royal Armories Museum who said "The M16A4 had a rather uncontroversial burst system, uncontroversial in that everyone hated it."
Ah Jonathan Ferguson, keeper of firearms and artillery at the Royal Armouries in Leeds, home to thousands of iconic weapons from throughout history.
@@afd19850😂 And that's the truncated version, right?
@@Cheka__ Yup that’s all i could remember off the cuff lol
Couldn't stand the damn thing on the A2 . I'd rather have just run it like my AR -15A2 back at home without an ever changing trigger feel that sucked donkey balls.
I'll do anything for an A1 trigger pack in an M16A4
Growing old is remembering when GT used to dislike the A2 grip, then talked about someone telling him to get over it awhile later, and now he's telling us the same thing. Seeing the evolution is heartwarming.
I still don’t like it. Bakelite A1 is where it is at.
The A2 grip is better with the A2 stock than a collapsible stock at less than fully extended.
The nub just bothers me too much.
@@chriscarlcm I always grind the nub down with a dremel
Hes just getting old...like us🥲
I’m a simple man. When I get home from church I like to watch Garand thumb and project farm while I’m eating lunch.
Based.
Ah a fellow project farm homie!💪🤙
Same
Literally got home from church as well.
SoMuchThis
Lord Bless
I built an M16A4 using a free float rail. I took the FSB off, slid the free float barrel nut on, slid the 12" free float quad rail on, mounted the quad rail to the barrel nut, installed the FSB back on with the gas tube and front handguard cap already attached. The front handguard cap for the drop in handguards fits inside the free float rail with about 1/16" clearance all around. It looks identical to the classic M16A4, unless you stop and look at the rail real close, you will see that the rail is not touching the front handguard cap. I did my own trigger job on it, installed reduced power springs and it pulls at 4 lbs, with a smooth as glass action, and crisp break. I'm running an older Bushnell 4 x 18 scope on it. I get 1" MOA at 100 yards, with cheap steel case ammo. It is a great shooter
Bummer you lost that in that one boating accident
My favorite bit of information is that when the Marine Corps was issued ACOGs for their A4s we were getting so many headshots there was an internal investigation because they were afraid we were executing people. To paraphrase TheFatElectrician, “Imagine going up against an enemy thats under investigation for pinging too many headshots”
Awesome
I agree with the first guy that’s pretty awesome
Headshots have been very common since ww1 at least. People tend to take cover so that head is only place to hit.
Old finnish medical military notes from ww2 had cases where 90% of rifle wounds were on head. Your numbers must have been closer to 99% with modern equipment.
like when the NBA dream team goes to the olympics to just make fun of other countries teams and ends up being investigated for unfair competition lol
That was the special forces, the marines aren't that good, sorry.
that PX buttstock mag pouch is a nice touch, warms my heart
It's really good for housing the batte-
BTW, the buttstock magazine pouch started back before then it was used in the 90s on M16a2 for certain "peacekeeping missions" and guard duty. IFOR / SFOR and other NATO missions. Its use goes back to at least WW2 with M1 / M2 carbines.
Just when I was left alone with my thoughts and they drifted off into not necessarily the best direction, Garand Thumb uploaded a video about my favourite rifle. Thanks man.
I gotchu bro
@@GarandThumb Thank you. I really mean it.
I hope. everything is alright
@@Zacharoni4085 It mostly is alright, but at some times i just lose track of what I want to do with my life, as I am not too far into it (only 18 years) and think of how i ended up with basically no social life
i can’t guarantee everything will be good but i can guarantee everything will be okay
Best dad advice ever. We are doing a no screens until kids are asleep week. Best choice that we have made in a long time.
That nod to Monty Python with the repeating charge and kill..... *chef's kiss* spectacular!!!
That was dope
I hit like so hard right away on that reference!
Yes, I thought that I was remembering it right. Been so long since I've seen that I wondered if I was remembering the right movie or show. The Holy F'n Grail !!!!
"Woods, you look like hammered shit."
"Looks don't count for shit in the Jungle. This is nam, baby."
different m16 bro
@@avarvar8102he looks like woods maybe that’s what he meant?
You’re right, that’s actually a pretty good Woods cosplay.
“YOU CAN’T KILL ME!!”
"...you stay right there..."
I had one during my first deployment in 2005, I really swore by it. It never let me down. That 3 round burst was key.
The 3 round is good for sending a conservative message over distance, then can give you the rounds when in close.
3 round burst is no go.
It's a fvck'n bullet hose!
@Machoman50taBlue tiger camo < red tiger
@@investigativeoutcomes9343 "It works for me!" -DET SGT Rick Hunter
I was an armored in the Marine Corps. I worked on A1s through A4s. I concur with your assessments you presented. The 3 rd burst was a joke. The cams were getting chewed up and mangled. We even had one go full auto because the cam was shot. The amount of money spent on R&D to supposedly save money on ammo was due to how it was fired in Nam. We trained to fire burst, usually 4-6 rds much like we did with M60s. The accuracy with the A4 was due mainly by beefing up the metal in the upper and lower receivers. R or L shooting I personally only had to adjust the sights 1-2 clicks at specified range. I personally believed in the A4 as a trust worthy weapon. I do support bayonet training and use. Lastly, like you, they should have made the barrel whole on the exterior.
Semper Fi from a fellow 2111
Semper Fi, Teufel Hundens! 0231 here. You armorers never let us get away with turning in a dirty rifle
3 round burst seems completely unnecessary, as you said - you can fire bursts using full auto.. Were we just trying to save ammo or is there any logical reason to use burst over full auto in a combat setting?
What in the world are you talking about, they increased the amount of metal in the upper/lower receivers? Why the hell would they do that? That has nothing to do with accuracy. I would bet money it's a standard forged aluminum upper and lower as per the TDP.
Worked on a range and a range coach and yep burst is ass… I’ve seen a few A4’s go full auto ahh fun times… I miss the clowns not the circus
Every time I come to this channel, it’s like a reunion between all the uniformed services. Damn, that’s a good feeling.
Exactly what I carried in Afghanistan...A4 with an ACOG. I was actually a part of the first classes in MCT to have that setup issued. No shit, got a BRAND NEW, fresh out the box, still had shipping oil on it M16A4 with ACOG. I didn't want to give it back. 🤣 Great rifle (though I like the M4 a bit better for obvious reasons) and great optic, too. A fair amount of people still didn't trust the ACOG when I was in...I was a unit range coach and constantly had to tell people, "just trust the damn thing!" Thanks for the nostalgia, Mike and crew.
I had a range safety (SSG) tell everyone with an ACOG to use the tip of the chevron to zero
My buddy didn't believe me that you shouldn't do that until I showed him the Trijicon manual
@@tedhodge4830 Yea, I had people trying to do all kinds of weird shit..."Kentucky windage" when there was no wind, ignoring the ranging marks, etc. It's like, "just trust it ffs". Works great if you do!!
I love the ACOG as an 11B
@@TheInfantry98 Oorah, motivator.
Me too, went to boot camp July 2009! I think we were one of the last cycles to use M16A2.
Before dismissing bayonets, there’s a few things to consider.
1. War is chaos, ammo is limited and things don’t always go as planned.
2. Whatever your plan is, the enemy gets a vote (includes opting for human wave tactics)
3. They used to say putting guns on fighter jets (like the F4) with “modern” missiles was “obsolete” since they’d just shoot them down before they got close enough for guns. History shows this was a mistake.
4. Bayonets still have an intimidation value which is useful for crowd control. There are accounts from veterans noting local populace’s tendency to become more subdued when the bayonets were out.
Bayonets are absolute garbage In modern warfare
You are extremely wrong grandpa
@@TheInfantry98 sit down and be quiet littleman.
@@TheInfantry98 lol I don’t entirely disagree. Bayonets used to be indispensable but now their importance has diminished significantly. WWI and the machine gun proved you can’t just mindlessly throw masses of infantry in a bayonet charge and overrun positions like in olden days. Bayonets may not be as integral as it used to be but that doesn’t mean they’re entirely useless in modern conflicts either. From Vietnam to Iraq there have been instances where bayonets proved useful. The Marine Corps still trains with bayonets. It’s understood that it’s a tool who’s deployment should be left to a very limited set of circumstances but nonetheless, you want to have them and know how to use them should those unlikely circumstances arise. Perhaps an enemy, knowing Americans reliance on CAS and artillery would favor the tactic of getting so close that Americans can’t use said CAS/artillery support.
@@TheInfantry98say that to the British who did a bayonet Charge in Iraq when they ran out of Ammo and won the battle.
Seems to still be effective.
This video brought back flash backs of Al Anbar 2007. The muzzle hammering my shins as I patrolled with a a SMAW on my shoulders .....I can feel it now.
If it makes you feel any better, the sight tower of an M4 goes straight into the inside of my thigh when sitting in a vehicle.
thoughts on the SMAW?
I'm 6'4". Slinging the M16 across the back makes the fing flash hider poke me directly in the back of the knee.
@@correctionguy7632 pain in the ass to zero, incredible to shoot
@@dbr1117 accurate
Great Dad advice. I’ve made it a point that when my Daughter comes up to me to look her in the eyes and show that I’m paying attention. Means the world to her just to know she has it.
I totally agree on that point. When my children were younger, I didn't have a cell phone to be distracted with but other things like work and proposals did. I tried my best to put down whatever I was working on to answer their questions and give them my undivided attention even at the risk of losing my place of the work at hand. I always let them know I love them. Not something I grew up with but needed to hear. Your kids need to hear this a lot.
Ues. Make a conscious decision to value the time you have with them...every second...even if you fail to be perfect.
Because at the end, before Jesus takes you home, you will know "I tried my best every day".
I grew up on the M16A4 in the Marine Corps. There's a lot of cool guns out there today, but the M16 is still my favorite weapon of all time. I'd happily take one into the end of the days even as a civilian.
it may not be the newest and greatest but man was that rifle reliable
A2 for me. I would love an A4 though. Really though im happy as long as i have a quad rail and an ACOG
I still run whats essentially an a4 as my go to rifle. There's definitely tradeoffs to it, but knowing that i can lob 5.56 at the speed of light makes it worth it to me
Boy you were born in 1996, tf you talking about you didn’t even turn 18 until 2014 😂
@@johnwicksfoknpencil that rifle is still used for training in the marines….
The reference to the Sir Lancelot attack on Swamp Castle from Search for the Holy Grail was EPIC! Thank you!
My very first rifle when I was a kid was an M16 bb single pump air gun. The envy of the neighborhood. I’m 50 now and this video just woke up the inner kid to get a real one. Awesome video, thanks for sharing!🤙
do it, you won’t regret it sir
Crossman M-17! Had one, too! PLATOOOOOOOON!
M16A4: "I can do a 3-round burst."
M1A: "You're gonna have to."
Alright, this is pretty good 😆
I was an Armorer in the Corps. One unique problem, only one time, the hammer pin walked out on a Marine at the range. That blew my mind because I've never seen that before or after that. On another note, the sling swivel being riveted to the barrel is another weak point of the rifle. Having the sling attached to the barrel makes another pressure point on it, causing it to flex when used.
Other than the short comings of the rifle, its reliability that I've seen was great, besides that one time malfunction previously stated. If the Marine Corps would've done some modifications to the rifle, like free floating the barrel and maybe changing the barrel profile, it would've been superb. I believe thatere was a small batch that had those mods, but i can't remember the name of the rifle, maybe SMR or SAR, something aolng those lines. Just a handful of rifles but not Corps wide.
SAMR. They had Kak rails with a stainless heavy 1-7 twist barrel and issued with a 2.5-8x Leopold MK4 and a Knight suppressor. We ran 77gr through them in country. The one I carried would run sub moa
@@NJ_9023 Dang that sound neat.
@NJ_9023 I couldn't remember what they were called. Pretty sure the Marine Corps Times wrote an article about them some years ago when I was in.
The hammer pin is not heat treated at all and if you get it anywhere near a burn down, will temper that pin and it will lose the leaf-springyness (lack of a better tem) and basically a shim rather than a pin.
It's riveted to the gas block not the barrel but still same effect
That marine rant during the Bayonet overview had me in tears hahaha, we need a compilation of all the marine jokes you throw. shit kills me each time lmao
16:57
Love this weeks Dad advice.
No kids for me, but today I strive to be the man I needed around when I was a kid
That's a great goal and a valuable perspective. 👍
You're really carrying out your fathers legacy to the next level. Instead of doing the same neglection you experienced, you're choosing outright non-existence of a spawn to neglect. 🤣Daddy is more of a man than you, he still had a maiden and some spawns, you have a lot of manning up to do little sprout.
When I was involved with service rifle competitions, I heard a tale about soldiers who were shooting their issued M16A2s in matches. They'd dry fire twice between live rounds in order to get a consistent trigger pull for the slow fire stages.
I came here to mention how irritating it was that the trigger pull is heavier for that 1st round than it is for the other two.
M16A4 with irons only was what my unit had in Ramadi Iraq 2006. Love that weapon.
Something to be said for a fixed stock and longer barrel, long sight radius, etc.
A lot of stories coming out now about how the Seals led by Jocko caused alot of headaches for you guys because of their recklessness. I wasnt there and not sure 06 was the year for task unit Bruiser but the birds are chirping now.
@@flank84 I have no clue what you're talking about. We ran a few missions supporting the SEALs, never had an issue with them. We had hiccups, as happens in war, but overall our deployment was ridiculously successful, and my unit came away from it highly decorated.
There were a few units that caused us some trouble at times, but nothing major. Some units were slow to learn/adapt, but this is to be expected.
Can't think of anything the SEALs did to cause us grief.
@@SoloRenegade Good to get some other perspectives, it seems like anyone who has had some grief is coming out of the woodwork now.
@@flank84 they sound like a bunch of MeToo women. Always waiting 20+yrs to whine about it. When someone becomes successful, worthless individuals come out of teh woodwork to tear them down out of jealousy. In a rare few instances they are telling the truth, but then why wait so long? If they knew something all this time, why didn't they say something sooner?
@@SoloRenegade Absolutely based.
I swear.... those dad advices sometimes give me tears in my eyes. Thank you.
HAWG=CRANKED
PANTS=SHID
GARAND=THUMBED
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Hotel? Trivago.
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BARBS WAITING IN THE TRUCK WHILE I WATCH THIS IN THE WALLYMART BATHROOM
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Hawk tuah'd
Bayonet? Fixed
I'm 5'7" and when I was in the army that A2 stock killed me, especially with armor. Now that I'm out I wanted to relive the wonderful M16A4, but this time I put an A1 stock on my FN clone. This makes it so much more pleasant for us vertically challenged people lol
One of the hardest intros to date IMO😮💨 the kick drum synced up with the initial burst made me pop a chub
Would you know the name of that track ? I need it for my driving playlist.
@@janborak4424 The Monarch by Heyson
@@sortaredacted3383
Thank you !
@@sortaredacted3383 You're the real MVP here!
it is crazy how good the videos on this channel have gotten. ive loved seeing the progression from his plaid adorned monotone gun reviews to the absolute spectacle that is garand thumb now. 10/10
Bayonets… My grandpa was stabbed with one in his armpit area in the Korean War and managed to take the guy out still, bare hands I think. Never talked about it with us grandkids much. Purple heart and several bronze stars and made it back home.
He was a BEAST! Don’t make ‘em like that anymore.
RIP Papaw!
Veterans of the Battle of Chosin said that they used every weapon they had on the Chinese, but it didn't even make a dent. They just kept coming. Those Korean War veterans are truly made different.
My great uncle was a 60mm mortarman in the 7th Infantry Division in Korea. Had some real gnarly war stories.
The Korean War got downright medieval sometimes. Chinese human wave attacks by dudes high as phuck on opium/ blackout drunk, just bum rushing the frontline to overwhelm the defenses. And after 1950 much of the frontline solidified into World War I-like trench warfare. Hand to hand combat happened for sure.
cap
My uncle Joe told me when I asked how he stop the chinese mass waves ?
He said he shot them till they stopped coming .
@Melior_Traiano
We had the A2 during my time with the Marine Corps. The 3 round burst was so controllable, as easy as shooting it semi. The A4 is the ultimate version for a full size AR-15 for accuracy, longer effective range, and controllable suppressive fire.
Only 0:12 in and I already loving this. The intro made my week! LOL
That dad advice - 10000%. You never know when the last "Daddy's home!!" happens until it's gone.
M16a4 is probably one of the most sexiest rifles in existence. Carry handle, wrapped stock, weapon light, and vertical forgrip. It is just 👌
Best Dad advice EVER.
As a Dad and grandpa. Enjoy every minute of their time you can get ! You will never regret it!!!!!!!!
Dude, you and I were at that NTC together. we got yelled at by the Fuelers cuz some private was speaking nonsense ahhhh good times.
Best part was when we got back and the bus company canceled thier contract so we had to stay an extra 10 days.
@@ElMachoMucho If that isnt the most Army thing Ive heard in a while.
That's as much fun as during the Clinton admin years going cheap to "decide to save money by bussing unit back from JRTC" at Ft Chaffee AR. and McDonald's stops for meals. 🙄 The fun of having a Plt of 11B's crammed on a bus for a multiple day trip in Army bluebird busses, a Plt per bus. But would fly bus drivers out to multiple locations and put up in hotels for driver changes. I'm sure that a few busses had to be thoroughly serviced afterward. I should note this was in late summer.
I was a Marine and I carried the A4 and my not-a-carry-handle lived in my ruck. Not one Marine ever told me that I “had” to have it attached to my rifle. The RCO was such a reliable sight and it was an absolute tank, that there was never any concern about needing backup irons readily accessible.
Thanks!
Love this content. We carried both the A2 and A4 from 1996 to 2014 in the AF Reserves, sometimes had M4s on deployment. We ONLY had irons to qualify with. Only Irons/Aimpoints when deployed. The Viet Cong complained to the Hague (1966, I believe) that the tumble and yaw of 55gr out of 20in bbl at 3400 fps was a violation because it wounded them so horribly. 35 yrs later we were shortening down and complaining low velocity 55gr rounds were only poking holes and we needed 62gr M855A1 and now 77gr to give short bbl distance to 600+ yards. I still think a 1:7 or 1:9 20in bbl bullpup with hybrid steel case ammunition is the answer. Carries easy in vehicles, fights around corners, velocity wounds like a bitch in every bullet weight, could be designed to use 60% of stock parts, could extend the life of 5.56 15 years, could adopt specialty rounds like 6ARC or 6MAX to 1200yds in 77gr hybrid steel ammo for another 15yrs. I stand by my claim that you need 20in bbl and 3400 fps to really own the enemy. Anyone agree? Disagree? Why?100% on Dads and kids!🎉🫡
Ah yes the video I’ve been waiting for all week, thank you
Hope you enjoyed it!
I did the designated marksman course ran by the Army Marksmanship Unit. They took a service rifle and made it sub-1MOA with just a couple changes: 1. Free float barrel 2. Two-stage match trigger 3. Match ammo (62-grain open-tip rounds out of 1:8 barrel). We used the ACOG but also had to qualify with irons out to 600m.
Yea I was surprised he said they’re running a 1/7 with 77 grain ammo out of a 20in barrel 🤔 seems like it’s not the ideal set up
Please do videos on the following:
-Shotgun Mud test
-Review the ARAK-21
-Which is better the PKM or the M240B?
-Possible Sand Tests for the future?
-How good are mini shotgun shells vs 2 3/4?
-Invite all the GunTubers you can to Idaho with a rifle that they would take into combat and have them run drills and compete with each other to see which rifle set up would work best.
These are all awesome ideas. Mini shotgun shells are intriguing. The idea of stacking 15 of those vs 5 3 inch is interesting for home defense to say the least
that last ideas sounds amazing, they all are but that last one sounds great I can already imagine Brandon showing up with a bare AK and in flip flops
i can answer some of these, hes said the PKM is the greatest LMG of all time.
minis fucking SUCK. no.
The 240B is better than the PKM.
The HK21E is the superior MMG. Fight me
I was issued the good ol A4 in Infantry OSUT in 2005. She’ll always hold a special place in my heart.
An M16 with it's 20" barrel is no longer than an M4 with a suppressor, and SHORTER than an M7 or an M27 with a suppressor.
And it enjoys full 20" barrel ballistics. I was in a mechanized infantry unit, and was issued an M16A1 and later an A2. I found no problems whatsoever using either in around or from our armored vehicles.
Bruh, fuck carrying around a 1 meter long rifle, ESPECIALLY if you are in and out of vehicles frequently
@@rfcdgaf bro I was literally in a mechanized infantry battalion, all vehicles in the United States military designed up until about the year 2004 were specifically designed for the M16. It's a total non issue. Take note of the fact that the M7 and the M27 are both longer than an M16.
The problem with the M16A4 isn't the 20" barrel, it's the 12" KAC rail and optic. Those things are 9 pounds unloaded without optic if you believe the FM. I think most people care about the weight of an M4 over the 5 inches of extra barrel length.
@@tedhodge4830 I agree. All my ARs have carbon fiber severe Duty handguards on them. Including barrel nut and all Hardware a 12-inch Jag composites SFH Severe duty handguard weighs 4 oz. I have uploaded several videos covering them.
@@tedhodge4830 The crazy thing is that the new M7 will be even heavier with all the crap that they'll be hanging off of it. And the combat loadout will be 100rds.
Crazy.
THE INTRO MUSIC IS BANGING!
Do you perhaps know the song? My shazam won't find it :(
I second this! I need this song in my life!
@@dl4958Ask and you shall receive. The intro song is called The Monarch by Heyson👍🏿!!
@@dl4958 @metalwing3 The music is from Monty Python and the Holy Grail, during the Lancelot running scene that they were referencing with the intro.
The Monarch by Heyson
The M5 RAS doesn’t just lock into the delta ring, it locks into the barrel nut, allowing for the use of IR/laser aiming devices without a zero shift.
There is also a company making an el cheapo rail that has the same effect. They use an aluminum clamp around the triangle. First time I tried it I was amazed at how rigid it made the rifle compared to the plastic split handguards. The rail was like $25 compared to KA.
@@DaveSmith-cp5kjmonstrum?
@@Danstheman1357 No it was actually an American company not an import, although I'm sure there are Chinese copies of this system now because it's surprisingly nice. The company IIRC wasn't really a gun company, they were just machining random products. I found it by google search just look for the picture where the front of the rail has this round circular thing that lays flush with the triangle.
the C7A1 with Elcan C79 optical sight was the rifle I started on, I have seen the C7 with it's permanent carry handel, last rifle used was the C7A2, still had the C79 Elcan sight
Back in early 2000, I was a small arms instructor for navy security force company. There is a way to actually "bump" the 3 round burst to almost match full auto, but it takes a lot of practice.
Bro I swear anything can bump fire if done right, I've seen people bump fire on video games even using increased vibration settings to avoid needing a good trigger finger 💀
I witnessed a CATM guy demonstrate the technique in basic, cool as fuck!
My Sundays are literally now just:
1.) Church
2.) Garand Thumb
Don't forget Project Farm
Yeah, I don't know how I'm going to make room for Church...lol
😂
0:35 loop button
Nah he just had 1400 ping
Aside the burst being weird, but that rifle is "vibe" i think. It just looks right. The Monty rush at the start is pure gold too.
I love how Mike has fully embraced his inner snake pliskin
Love the bayonet opening! My dad was in two bayonet charges in WWII. Definitely big cajones stuff. He used to say it was one thing to kill someone 50 to 100 yards away and something quite different up close.
The M16A4 is the rifle I trained with in the U.S. Army basic training! One of my favorite rifles next to the M4 Carbine and the MK18.
Can we see a video on long distance shooting? Like the calculations and other things that must be taken into mind when making precise long range shots
Man size targets out to 500 are no problem if you do your part. I put a suppressor on my M16A4 clone build and pushed it out to 450. I have a video on my channel, not nearly as cool without the burst however 😢
They already have one where they basically went down range behind a berm and let people shoot at them so they could see the effects and sounds of rounds being shot at you but they definitely did it at a distance and talked about wind Calc and stuff. Good vodeo
@@ShooterMcGottem400 is definitely a point target with 20" 5.56, 500+ you have to start knowing actual holds
@The_PotionSeller true, mine has the carry handle so I just click to 5 or 6 and call it a day.
Thank god for editing. I did a 2 day long range class and most of the time was like watching someone do their homework.
“Now let’s try transitioning but not in a bad way” pure gold
Gay twitter will be upset lmao
They really just live in your heads dont they.
I miss the Ray William Johnson era of youtube.
@@lonewanderer420 When are they not?
Love it
What you found out with burst is what I learned in Marine bootcamp. Our CO told us this before we tried our rifles on burst the first time. “ You will most likely never use burst. It fires so fast that with a proper hold you’ll end up putting three rounds into the same target at less than 200 yards. You will only use burst when shooting at distant targets where by then the spread will be big enough to give you a better chance of a hit. Otherwise, you will never use burst.” So we went to a foxhole, aimed at man size targets at 100 yards, and put the rounds into a fist sized group.
Better than what my drill said, you would only use full auto "if the fob is being overrun." (e.g. never)
I never shot burst in boot camp. There was a single unimportant event in MCT where we loaded a mag with like 9 or 12 rounds and let a couple bursts loose. All I remember is the stupid spring twang and my muzzle climbing way too much. All I remember about the A4 in general was banging the barrel on my left knee and the awful spring sound that is somehow louder than the muzzle rapport
@@onseki1774 The M16 shoots rather soft though because of that long sproing. I dunno, I liked the A2.
@@onseki1774rah.. hahahah man fuxk burst was a range coach 😅 it literally destroyed the gun
Love the Monty Python reference. Expertly done as usual.
Also, I hate to admit it but the M16A4 was my service rifle, and therefore my first rifle, and also my comfort weapon. When treated right it’s reliable, dependable and accurate. Thanks for letting me see it again.
In desert storm we had, what we called, m16a1 and a half. It was an a1 with full auto setting, but someone got the bright idea, to put a2 furniture on the a1 to make it “look” like an a2. So the enemy would think we all had the newest and greatest, which we didn’t, I liked it, being 6’4, the longer stock fit me better. The funny thing we ran into, the units that had the a2, wanted our rifles, because we still had full auto. They hated the a2 burst feature.
Top marks for the Monty Python reference at the beginning. Friggin hilarious!
Brought back found memories!
I’m at church. I see a notification of the M16A4. I’m a happy fella
Is this what you want to be doing when God comes back to Earth? ....yeah
Based
ave christus rex
@@vaughn6371 I was in the coffee room before services 💀
Turn your phone off at church smh
Dad time doesn't end. When your adult children come "running" to you, pay attention. They still need you! M16A2 for my career. Love your work!
As I understand, the government profile barrel was born from a misunderstanding. They put test rods down the barrel to check if it was straight and they had a bunch getting stuck at the gas port. They took this to mean the barrel was bending there and so, thickened the barrel. But in reality, the barrels weren't bent, the gas ports had burrs on them. And also, thickening the barrel past the gas port wouldn't even prevent it from bending at the gas port, so it was a mistake stacked on top of another mistake.
That’s the government for you
FWIU, it was jacket material building up on said burrs over time. A bore scope would've let them know that, but electric bore scopes were in their infancy and very expensive back then.
Back in the 90s, with A2s (USMC) we RARELY used the burst feature. We always knew it was for suppression and picking up the ROF when the SAW guy was reloading, but never ever for any kind of long range shooting.
I think this is my very first time seeing someone in real life using A WAY an M16A4. Everyone used to use the single shot M16A4 all the time, and now after seeing this...I have fallen in love with the M16A4, its capability and power that they unfortunately want to replace (assuming they haven't already). You are the best, bro.
Already replaced. Twice.
Tell me Garand Thumb,and often forgotten but not my us, his editing team, they give the absolute best cinematic intros ever…
Garand thumb single handedly drove demand for 20 inch ARs through the roof
Well it's probably the only "clone" gun I'd rather just have in semiauto 😉
Dont even mention the fact it slings M193 at body armor killing speeds....
Still my favorite. I built an M16 slickside clone with a 1:7 twist barrel. It’s my favorite rifle.
They’ll fall out of favor again once people realize they’re having a hard time holding it up.
Dissipator fixed carry is the life folks. If you go palmetto I've had 3 only 1 currently no issues but pin that fkn gas block. 🤌🖖
Hats off to you, Micah. Epic intro once again!
I love the Monty Python skit there at the beginning lol
4 months late but for those viewing later like myself, at 12:06 you guys stumbled on the real reason (besides saving bullet-munny) for 3-round: to increase the probability of making hits at all at distance. This has been a big thing throughout military arms development, is increasing probability of a hit per trigger-pull/attack/launch/etc. It's why there were experimental rounds with two or even three bullets in one cartridge, different burst mechanisms, etc. Because for any given number of rounds in a given amount of time fired, whoever has more hits is more likely to win the fight, regardless of *how* they were put down.
It was so cute at 1:43 when Mike asked Micah if he knew about the m16a4 and Micah said "No, can you tell me?" It reminded me of how I sound when my wife mentions something and I just want to hear her talk.
There were mutliple extremely successful bayonet actions in the GWOT.
Really? Never hear of one.
Please share some of these!
@@FirePirate099 OK, we'll start with perhaps the most successful. The British Charge at Basra. Once you're done reading about that one, I'll happily share some more.
But hint: Garand thumb already mentioned Fallujah, so you should probably read about that too, while you're at it!
@@41tl Read more.
Truth.
I went through basic training where Bayonet training was still part of it, 1986, and the rifles were a mix of M16 and M16 A1.Bastards road marched us 15 miles to the bayonet course. All I know is I had a selective fire with forward assist and bayonet option, 20 inch barrel I believe. I am not a full gun guy, just what I remember and like from training. I have built a couple AR15 16 inch semi copies WITH a bayonet adapter for the shorter barrel length. I have a spot in my heart for the bayonet. May I never have to use my civilian tools in a life or death situation...But the sight of a naked homeowner charging an invader with a rifle with a big ass knife on the end of it because they broke into the wrong house just mite make the person rethink his life decisions. Might save a lot of headache if it stops rounds going downrange.
The real question is: Will the anti-gunners call a bayonetting "gun violence?"
@@12vscience oooh, good question!
Opening sequence was slammin yo! Hoorah! Great job!
You mentioned Marines, I made gorilla noises. You know us so well lol 2:17
This weapon just gave me OIF I flashbacks, right down to the sling and magazine pouch. With the exception of the Eotech, we weren't cool enough for anything other than carry handle iron sights.
I joined in 2018 when did we get scopes
@ismaeljimenez6562 there were units that had eotechs and acogs in OIF I, but only half my unit did. I didn't get my first acog until 2004, a few months before we redeployed for OIF III in Jan '05.
@@mrh6825 figured it was early on in OIF just wanted to exactly when since I qualed with acog in boot camp
I normally don’t leave comments here, but I gotta say this is my absolute favorite gun channel on TH-cam, the most real life experience and the perfect mix of science, facts, and entertainment with some of the best editing and camera work in the business! Keep up the good work fellas!
Outstanding vid, Sir! Love you show- keep up the fantastic work! -Doc Lykins, Paramedic (Ret) former Navy Corpsman
PERFECT Holy Grail Adaptation! You own it now.
My favorite gun in BF4, basically didn't use any other gun but the M16A4.
A4 and AN94 were kings of BF4
@@JN1-506 OMG YES, I WAS KILLED SOOOOO MANY TIMES BY THE AN94!
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@@MrMatalo123my bad
Love the look of this gun w a carry handle.
“thank you for another post garand thumb” we all say in unison
When I was in the Army in 1969/70 I trained on and carried both the XM-16E1 and the M-16A1, neither of which had the 3-round burst capability but had off, semi and auto for fire selection. With our limited 20rd detachable box magazines, that we normally didn't load beyond 18rd, I tended to be conservative with my ammo usage and so would normally fire in semi-auto mode. If I did fire on full auto, I would try to squeeze of as few shots as possible. If I was really quick on the trigger I could limit it to three rounds.
With good fire discipline, I think that I would rather have the option of firing fully automatic, as wasteful of ammo as that is. If I were carrying an M-14, which I did train on but never carried, I would definitely rather have the three-round burst capability as opposed to full automatic. I was a very thin and light young man at that stage in life and the recoil of the 14 was something I really had to concentrate on in order to get decent accuracy. I was not a natural marksman, although I did qualify as a sharpshooter on the 16 in training. One of the problems in my rifle qualification on the range was the fact that my weapon did jam a few times, necessitating the breakdown and manual extraction of the jammed round, all while the popup silhouette targets were going up and down. Complaints to the range Sergeant were pointless, as I was told to quit being a baby and to just suck it up and deal with it. My dream of shooting Expert and maybe qualifying to be a designated marksman was never to be; such is life.
Everyday when life gets me down, I remember Garand thumb's words, "AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH" and they get me through the day
Us, Navy Seabees were probably the last community to switch from the M16A1’s… fully automatic!!! We did upgrade to quad rails at least… I wasn’t issued an M4 until 2015 when I went to Iraq… that’s how long we had the A1’s… I would love to have one now!
The Seabees were actually the only part of the US military to buy M16A3s. Which were just A2s that were full auto. Were extremely rare to see though.
0:14 LOVING this Holy Grail reference!! 😂😂🤘
Love the dad advice at the end 👍🏼
Six years of hating the M4's trash burst system. This brings back sour memories.
I was an instructor at the NGMTC SDM course at Camp Robinson Arkansas (along with Gary Wallace (MO), Chuck Reed (KY), Joe Noe (IA), Mark Richards (IN), Chris Greene (TX), Tommy McGee (LA) and the gang, best group of humans I ever worked with!).
The SDM course issued the M16A4 w/ TA31NSN ACOGs to students at that time. Part of the graduation requirements included ranging and engaging twenty SITs / iron maidens, out to 600m +/- 25m on the unknown distance range with IRONS and then Optics, a generous 10 minute time limit for each run, 70% hit rate to pass. That M16A4 w/M855 green tip (more so with M855A1) is totally capable of striking targets at that distance. The SITs were standard NATO size, 1 meter tall, .5 meter wide.roughly 40 x 20 inches.
Regarding the USGI iron sights on the M16A4 (and M4 and M16A2 for that matter). That USGI front sight should have been made to come to a sharp point rather than a flat square. I loathe it. Also, the aperture on the USGI "long range" rear sight (and M4/M4A1 BUIS) is ENORMOUS, way too big! The M16A4 is capable of much better iron sight performance with that slight improvement.
Notice the front sight profile on the WWII Nazi bolt action rifle. They come to a sharp point at the tip. I don't understand the US Army / USMC fetish with the squared off front sight tip. (Sidebar: the Marines also contributed to the design requirements of the M16A2, you can thank the Marines for that adjustable rear sight, the Army didn't want it!) The USGI front sight ought to come to a sharp point, rather than a flat square. The NAZIs got the front rifle sight design right. Pride & our cut and paste culture I guess is why the Army can't adopt something that works better.
Anyhow, that squared off USGI front sight gives the shooter only a general idea of shot placement at distance. With the USGI front sight It's like using a sheet of plywood as a front sight on the 500m and 600m SIT targets. "SIT: Stationary Infantry Target" as referred to in the US Army Corps of Engineers Range Design Guide. www.hnc.usace.army.mil/Missions/Installation-Support-and-Programs-Management/Range-and-Training-Land-Program/Range-Design-Guide/
LOL
"That USGI front sight should have been made to come to a sharp point rather than a flat square. I loathe it."
I'm not military but I noticed the same thing and it honestly baffles me... Ended up modifying my own by filing down the front sight to a point and illuminating it.
Some shooters prefer a larger front sight post because it makes for quicker recognition, from what I have been reading in some research before. The sharper point was on the M16 A1 however and I believe that you can swap out the posts with the older style. However, the M1 Garand had very similar sights to the M16 and it also included the fatter front sight post. The burley corn sights of the axis powers may seem precise but they are hard to use when trying to Kentucky windage shots.
The doctrine that was initially developed for the M16 seemed to suggest that the rifles wouldn't be used past 400 ish meters so a more precise, "match" front sight post like the M16 A1 didnt really matter all that much as past that distance, the idea was that Crew-served weapons would take over.
I like the fatter front sight. It makes Kentucky windage at rage way easier. For me at least.
I've been there for matches with guys like Densmore, Street and Hicks from TX. We took some regional and national match trophies home. We were students of the legendary "Lord" Charles Blackwell, and Col Don Tryce.
The _Holy Grail_ intro is a nice touch 😄
That brought back the feels!
"Bayonets just aren't really that cool anymore."
"Kind of obsolete."
That's bold talk from a pair of guys with unprotected abdomens.
No way, just yesterday I was watching Garand Thumb and hoping they do an M16 video