4 Red Flags of a bad techno & house track (Avoid making these!)
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- 4 Red Flags of a bad techno & house tracks (Avoid making these!)
If you want to know how to improve your techno and house trackss, whether you are using FL Studio, Ableton, or any other DAW, avoid making these 4 red flags that I often hear that newer producers get wrong.
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😘😘 need to watch some more Zen tutorials to get the accent a bit under control.
Both masters in the production game!
Some help please....
Could either of you point me in the direction how to create the Bass/Organ sound in this track???.
I've bought most of your Serum preset packs from Deceiver and Mercurial, so if anything similar is in any of those that would Amazing!!! 🥰🤗🔊
Mathew Herbert - It's Only (DJ Koze Remix)
th-cam.com/video/cxz8qJ2B8Ug/w-d-xo.html
@@Lewis-TH-cam Any specific minute? Heard a bunch of sounds in it but maybe you are referring more to the Resonating Pad that occurs here or there ? Reese Bass in the track can be done with 1 saw in OSC A and B and detune via the fine, I would use saws and use a filter. The more detuned the saws are the more movement and grit you get. If you meant the more upper bass pad sounding sound then use sine waves instead and follow the some process above, I would also maybe find a more sine based wavetable if you want more harmonics in the sound.
👆 this.
@@ZenWorld Wizard! 👌 It can first be heard at 58seconds (It's more of a bass sound but I think Reese sounds like the direction) There is a slight sound of Organ too but I think it's just how the Bass has been detuned or use of layered noise? . Can you think of any similar presets within any of the Deceiver packs?
Or any in the Pigments 2 Mercurial? 🤞
Thanks again for taking the time to explain the process. REALLY appreciated! 🖤
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That composition advice is gold for me, thank you
I really enjoy how you try to explain all the ethereal stuff that I know intuitively but don't understand.
Especially the linear progression and the triangle form.
Great video, thanks for sharing! Can you please do a tutorial about the style you used in the last example?
Another really helpful video Yalcin, I definitely need to tame my reverb. Think I'll re-watch your video on using a gate!
Another fantastic tutorial. I discovered you only a month ago and your work is already making a huge different of the way I mix (and I’m not a techno guy 🤗) thank you much man!!
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Great content and advices, as far as I'm concerned those things seem applicable to most of the music genres.
Fantastic content!! :)
Also secret weapon of reverb is that it gel sounds similiar to compression but in slight different way.And to out of key elements - you have to know were to put them not just drop them randomly.
first time I've caught this vid and wow that part about the kick is truly amazing one of the best subtle tricks yet thanks
One thing I often do when using Return channels in Ableton is to send the combination of the returns and the main mix to a bus channel. Then you can keep them together when A/B ing or performing other mix maneuvers.
Another excellent tutorial thank you
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another super helpful video !! if only you show more about how to achieve this Groovie low end at the beggining :)
Thank you a lot!
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Men, you are putting some bangers for examples. Epic
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Amazing tips
That out of key Vocal is so painful to listen to 😖
Yalcin. This kind of videos are very helpful, man. Sometimes we try to get so skilled with synths and stuff that we skip these kind of things that are crucial. For example the Löfler track processed vs Unprocessed is subtle but yet it makes a huge difference. Thanks ♥
Thx for the tips Yalcin!
awesome video, could u maybe do a Innellea tutorial? Like how to get his sound and how to replicate some of the synths he uses. :)
How can I create that movement on the kick?
I love your videos u are great!!
this was a good one
Thanks a lot Robert 😊❤
Great video just want to add a bit nuance on flag #4 : Using non diatonic chords can be a great way to add tension and life in your tracks.
Almost 50k! U deserve it! I was wondering if u could make a video on percussion and ambience
Almost! I am thinking already what I can do as a special episode for 50k? Any ideas?
@@Alice-Efe Maybe deconstructing a song and replicate it from scratch, Q&A about yourself and/or frequently asked questions, take a small part out of a couple techno songs that have a special FX or something special that you try to replicate. Hope these three will give u some ideas.
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Ton of Info efe!!! -- thank you . I use this method to correct the kick and bass volume : Use VU meter to mix. Take lowest bass element for this method possible SUB. Solo Kick and adjust volume until it hits -3db in VU METER (-18DBFSsetup ). Now Solo Sub and Kick, Adjust Sub volume so that VU meter hits 0 db at the loudest part of the track. This will have the correct loudness for bass .This avoids louder kicks.
that Christian Löfler track is so beautifull everytime
What is the name of this track
@@elgouffianas9063 LOFFLER - LYS FT MENKE
Amazing how much we can learn from your tutorials! Can I send you my tracks for feedback?
Do you have any videos or tutorials that get into composition? Like a deep dive on Flag 3?
really nice advices man! subscribed! could you tell us what song you used for the out of key kick example or is it your track? that melody is super beautiful
Thank Emanuel, welcome aboard! It is one of my own, you can see a bit more in detail in this video: th-cam.com/video/0e-KhmvlUrE/w-d-xo.html
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Anyone knows why the Tuner is just working on synths? i cant get any kick/drum to work with the Tuner
What about adding effects in a channel for sound design purpose? Can we do it?
would you recommend Sampling kick from tracks & using them in the production to have that Kick sounding Perfect on the spectrum or will it not work straight out of the Sample ? just curious !
Can you show how you achieve the umek example
Can you please do a Space Motion production tutorial
On the unprocessed inserts vs processed return fx. I'm a little confused. Is the 'processed return fx' channel processing inserted fx? Or are you saying that you should generally NOT insert fx individually , and that you should send sounds to the return channels that have the fxs?
'Everything sounds better with reverb' just everything with max reverb and together sounds not so good.
I'm guilty of all 4 of these. You're a great teacher, really like the way each point is worked through so even total novices like me can understand and enjoy.
If everything has reverb, nothing has reverb
Hello, thank you very much for your lessons. Very interesting, stylish, creative. Please tell me the artist and the name of the track that plays at 7:44
17:16 sounds for itself nice,if it would be some film music,but yeah in techno track it sounds muddy
How can i balance my sub with my bass... because mine is not that powerful and not that loud..... please help
I dont understand the first mistake, in the techno example. They are two completely different kicks. How is this not a stylistic choice rather than a bad production mistake? Why is a moving rumble kick 'better' than a static one.
It is not the style but how they are mixed. Kick and rumble was on top each other creating unbalanced low end in the example. Otherwise you can definitely have simple rumble without a groove.
How do you create a more dynamic techno rumble? Maybe you consolidate into audio and then chop and rearrange?
exactly! It is an easy way to create more authentic kick rumbles!
13:14 best advice of all times. N1
Impressive how good you can point out the mistakes with the examples. Way way better than just list them up. It was actually the first time I really understood things I knew you should do.
Thanks a lot for this high quality content, always worth the time watching.
Hi Yalcin, how can I contact you guys. I tried using your mercurial tones email but didn't get any response? It's regarding a preset pack. Thank you
Regarding effects, do you try to stick to returns only or do you use inserts or what about the effects in the synth itself?
Both. My overall reverbs and delays are mostly on returns. But if I need these fx for sound design purposes then they are on the channel
Where can I get vocals for melodic techno for free?
What was the song at 7:30?
Anyone knows the name of the Christian Löffler track?
Nice video btw. Would really help beginners.
LYS
where do you learn producing ?
hi Yalcin, do you recommend Waves audio's Torque for more precise kick tuning or Ableton's in house semi tune is good enough ?
Ableton's own algorithms for warping (tuning) is actually better.
@@Alice-Efe thanks for saving me $35 lol
Lys is such a vibe
Nice video man!
Use melodyne instead if autotune. Autotune can really destroy vocals and create nasty artifacts (pretty much why I never use autotune)
Now when it comes to artifacts, if you wanna do very small fixes with autotune then yes I guess it won't hurt. But when a vocalist vocal performance is extremely bad and can't hit the notes, then you gonna screw it up even more and make it sound like a wailing android.
Hiting the chest and transient is important to kicks but not to each of them. Avoiding tuning the kick I guess is more an advanced instrumental technique by forcing yourself finding that variance but freaking awesome one by intuition. If it is a 808 kick where there is that missing transient and almost any character to the hitting part, it makes sense to tune it into key, because what is left is almost the 'tone' it has got longer release and for the bass tone slide it makes absolutely sense to tune it right. 808 kicks are more closer to bass notes (similar as well) and bass notes having not that much of a transient except that tiny pick up pluck sound
Some Techno style includes that mixing style of 808+909 why works that so well? because 909 has a more punchy character and a much shorter decay exactly or almost what is missing to 808.
A more deeper going technical explanation is that 909 kicks are more accommodated to distortion (they even sound awesome with distortion or tuned exactly that way to sound best with post filters and distortion). Their energy is more likely towards peaking and clipping and there it seems vital to have more short bursts than a long term thud (because a continuous thud destroys the phase of a speaker cone - it is almost impossible to get other instruments pass trough at same time) almost using that psycho acoustical effect that only the initial or ending sound matters, not what is in between the interval. 808 is more of that saturation type accommodation, they tuned to sound best on overcompression and saturation, hiss coming from vinyl and tape.
Talking about 808s and 909s kicks as a reference, just as example for your own analog drum synth experiments. There will come a time maybe where you will discover old drum machines, sampler bit reduction, making your own kick palette by only one synth and more other dynamic information which will give a color to kicks beyond tuning them into the right key.
Its also a matter of taste, simpel but powerfull low end is fine by me.
kicks in F sounding always fater :P
Thanks Master (Yoda) ;)
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Yalcin i have Questin abount Live 11:
In Live 10 when you open MIDI Mark all notes, hold CTRL and move the mouse you can automate velocity verry eazy and nice .
This ShortCut is not working at 11, is there any alternative or is it in some other kay ?
Select all the MIDI notes and then just drag the velocities with mouse from the velocity line. It should work.
@@Alice-Efe thanks
@@Alice-Efe Found it YALCIN, found it here is a link of the imag showing how www.dropbox.com/s/19fwglda1iaa3bt/Velocity%20Shortcut%20Showing.png?dl=0
When you try to pitch vocal rather than other elements the impact of vocal is changing like sounds bad most of the time like mushy which I don't like, in my opinion it's better to pick vocal straight in the key unless you record.
I did not hear the difference between the out-of-key kick and the 'right' kick. I will never make it as a producer hahaha
Please make a Fideles Tutorial
Most of those out of key elements sounded good to me!
I make darker music, so dissonance is my bread and butter.
what is the name of christian loffler’s track pls
Lys
what is the name of christian loffler track ?
It is called Lys. One of my favourite tracks of his.
How can people dislike such video packed with gems (and most of all it's for free)?? I don't understand.
13:00, except if you are Petar Dundov :)
17:47 enjoy that mistake to get industrial vibe xD
Here’s a big red flag: drum samples in the sequencer and not on the playlist
This shit is mind-blowing
Deadmau5 does not care of key of the kick and said it's stupid for anyone to do this LOL🤣😂🤣. Because the low note is for the bass not the kick and the kick is meant to be just a short transient low noise, (but I understand a concern and I'm just brining this up because I thought Joel's opinion should be heard, sorry for any hard feels 👍😅).
Watched that as well. But he also mentioned that he used quarter length kicks and his kicks doesn't have tails. Which makes sense as then kick doesn't have any "audiable note" in it. However, many techno tracks just utilizes long kicks with tails, so it is a bit of comparing apples and oranges.
Though, I would still go for a tuned kick even it is a short kick. Sometimes even short kicks have audible sub parts.
But then, who am to argue against literal god of EDM? 😊✌
@@Alice-Efe Ayye thx man i have been doing some late night audio technique's studying and you have been a nice help😊👍
genius
the thing with house is all the records back in the day were pressed on shitty vinyl. the recordings were badly edited and in most cases not even that nice sonically BUT...... they were good ideas.... they were either good ideas or they were innovative in some way. if you get your head stuck in the maths spending hours going over which frequency is conflicting with which frequency youve lost the point of making music with soul. your just making music by numbers and thats no good for anyone.
I wouldn't call some of the examples bad techno & house, a lot depends on taste. Getting hung up on the frequencies can make a track sound too sterile. Might work for others but I think for a lot of people this approach can be counter-productive
i like your videos but i think you are a bit wrong about techno..even with umek..you should listen to hes best track from back in the days and you will see what i mean..i have been techno dj for more then 25 years and the best techno track for the most dont follow any musical theories :) electronic music is about to break musical rules not follow them to the point :) i know that electronic music change the laters years but i still think best underground techno track dont follow all the musical ruless :) the frist exemple with the beat you talk about is funny..i better like the first beat because the other one sound very comercial..the simple beat sometime is way better just like real techno from "old" days :) thats why there are real techno and comercial techno :) umek was cool back in the day but now he makes more comercial kind of music..i havent bought he record for years because of that :) maybe i am worng and to old school i dont know..no matter what i love you videos and you do great job :)