If you’re in the position in life where you can afford a $5000 launch monitor, you are most likely not worried about a $10 a month subscription. God do I wish I can get one of these for Chase and myself for when it gets to 100° plus Fahrenheit with 95% humidity. Here in Thailand.
The subscription price ($100/yr) for Garmin Golf absolutely isn’t hefty in comparison to the rest of the industry. Bushnell charges $500/yr just to unlock basic software functionality. Uneekor charges $400, Skytrak+ and Rapsodo charge more than Garmin. The Garmin Golf sub also unlocks green contour mapping if you have a compatible Garmin golf watch.
@@Evan_Rodgersthat’s what I thought! I don’t like subscriptions but compared to the market it’s positively cheap! And if you have the garmin watch (which no one else is talking about but I happen to have one) you get the benefit on the course too. Great deal from garmin in my opinion. I think they should’ve thrown in a free year maybe for the price you’re paying for the unit, but still I wouldn’t be complaining!
I think you nailed it with the simplicity EXCEPT you didn't mention the constant bending to interface with the unit while playing a round. During practice that issue sort of goes away unless you want to map the data to a particular club and change often. As much as you hammered home the price it seems to be right priced for a unit with all its features. For folks without enough suitable space for radar units there currently is no great option without any subscription. The Uneekor Eye Mini and Eye Mini Lite have a $200 annual subscription minimum and the golf courses that you get with it are pitiful. The Eye Mini, with a screen that does much less than the R50 (yet is still better than Bushnell/GC3) is typically sold at the same price as the R50 and requires an iPad at minimum to get a driving range and shot shape and to play a sim round you need a PC to play the terrible Refine golf courses that are included. The Eye Mini LITE version costs much less but has no screen and MUST have a PC or iPad to get ANY data similar to the SkyTrak+. The only upside is, like the Garmin, they do not charge extra to connect to 3rd party options. So I guess, like everything else, you get what you pay for and the R50 earns its hefty price with all the features and simplicity it provide. One more thing... I can't think of another unit would be better to go out in the back and hit balls into a net for a golf simulation experience.
Garmin is nailling it. Is an apple like business model that just gets you at some point. Ive been using garmin approach watches for the last 7 seven years, Ive tried to use apple watch ultra and Tag Heurer but somehow I always come back to Garmin, its just better in every single feature. I also got the Garmin R10 and I just love it. So, when you are into the garmin ecosystem, paying a $100 USD suscription that you’re gonna use in all your devices is nothing.
One thing that come to my mind is that no mention of if one can set the lofts for each club...This is a very important item for a accurate data.. So can it be set per club or is it fixed per club? Thanks....
Like a lot of LMs it will be better after one maybe two software updates after initial product launch. The R50 is definitely the LM which spent rather too much time at the "all you can eat" buffet! Things I love: - no subscription fees for the basic club and ball data - options for temperature and humidity, I love the idea of finding out what a cold day does to my carry distances. - no need for a PC unless you want to play GSPro or E6 Apex or similar. HTH2 is still a bit cartoonish but very playable. - Garmin subscription is very reasonably priced - Software is very customisable - speed of response Things I think need improved - ideally I would like to see a 4K version. 1080p is good but it could be better. - does not provide descent angle data - not convinced that the club data is as accurate as it should be - but that is very common issue for new LM - HTH2 should include course total yardages with each course description - price None of the negatives are major other than the price. This is a great device, there could be some interesting integration with other Garmin devices such as their GPS watches, rangefinders etc
11:29 dude GSPRO and others are their own companies. Idk what you’re expecting that Garmin would get you an eternal license for awesome golf, gspro, and E6. You’re talking like a lot of this stuff isn’t the same as every other monitor on the market.
Flightscope do recommend that there should be no gap between the mevo+ and the hitting zone, you unfortunately did your comparison so we can’t know if the differences are real or biased due to setting
To me, get rid of that hunking built in monitor and make it the size of a buschnell or gc 3 and make an iPad mount in place of their monitor or you can put an iPad on a tripod at eye level. Keep the UI the same but in iPad app format and processsing still on the r50. Then you can keep the price down to $3,500
What size screen are you using? If I preorder this, I would like to get a 14ft screen but not sure how it would look with the 16:10 and unfortunately I don’t know anything about these lol. Thanks
So is the R50 more accurate than the Mevo ? If it is, I don't understand comparing the two. If there was a way to compare the R50 with the GC3, that would be the way to go.l
I’m really confused all monitors have a subscription which is more than this? You keep saying hefty like it costs more than GC3, MLM2PRO, etc. 9:53 some other monitors don’t work at all without a subscription. You don’t need to pay the subscription if all you want is all the ball and club data.
GC3 owner here, thinking about upgrading to a quad or maybe this? Just curious, it seems like the greens don't react very realistic (yet maybe). Seems like the ball bounces extremely high with little to no backspin. Am i seeing that correctly or when you play have you noticed that it's a little more realistic than it appears?
I want one of these. My gears are turning and thinking of how to build a bay in my basement. I have 9’ ceilings. I think I can make it happen with this. I see this in my near future.
I’m jealous about your basement with 9’ ceilings. Have my Garmin R50 set up in the garage with 9’ ceilings. Your basement should work out great. Good luck.
Have serious interest in this unit for its simplicity. Never owned a LM before but teetering back and forth on this one or GC3. Sadly, GC3 will require decent PC to run software. I want to see R50 vs GC3 video so badly.
@ianc7751 fair point! I haven't seen a comparison between the R50 and the GC3 yet either. Thankfully, the R50 is comparable, but almost 50% the cost of the GC3. Looking forward to that comparison video.
@@ianc7751I have the Bushnell Launch Pro aka GC3 with the Gold Subscription for all the club data. I also have the Garmin R50. The Garmin has more club data and the impact video, so I tend to use the Garmin more than the GC3. I won’t be renewing my Gold Subscription for the GC3 when the year is up. From an accuracy standpoint, the ball data for both are very similar. But you can’t test them at the same time because the GC3 won’t register when it’s next to the Garmin.
@ appreciate the reply. For the price in Canada, Garmin is super appealing. GC3 seems to be touted as one of the most accurate but you need a good PC to enjoy it.
You can’t run GS pro out of the box with ANY launch monitor on the market. Atleast with this you can play 42k courses out of the box. Along with driving range
If you do a google search for “Home Tee Hero course list” you will be directed to the Garmin site and the course search tool. I found my course in it. Looks a good piece of kit.
Looking for an answer ... I have a mat and a net and would like to simply attach the R50 to a television with an HDMI cable instead of looking at a 10" screen. Is this possible?
This is the real question for me, I dont mind having to still use an iPad or PC to run 3rd party software, that is reasonable... BUT... can you get ADDITIONAL info on the R50 screen while using 3rd party software? For example, if I use Awesome Golf on my iPad, can I at same time get slow-mo replays of my face impact location at the R50? That would be a killer combo. Or does the R50 just goes dead when using 3rd party software? Thanks
@@bearish7081making money off of this video is exactly what “skin in the game” would refer to. He’s clearly trying to mislead a some there, just check the tone during that little segment of the video. Let me just slow down and explain why I’m unbiased (even though I get paid if you buy one… wink wink).
testing it against a Mevo+ Indoor - seriously? How inaccurate are these numbers then? Even a Trackman 4 has its difficulties indoors with RCT Balls, not mentioning the not so good Radar inside the mevo+. 2 degrees club path or face angle difference are not 1 or 2 % difference Without testing it against a swing robot you never know the real numbers.
@@rubelukeable important to note that radar LMs typically measure slightly higher (~0.5-1.5 mph) clubhead speed and carry distance. I never hit the ball further than when I use a trackman sim 😂
@@Evan_Rodgers That's actually not true. As per Trackman 4 and Full Swing representatives. Please read as follows: ***TRACKMAN (Radar based) Club speed: Measured just before impact. Face angle: Represents the clubface orientation at impact. Launch angle: Measured as the ball leaves the clubface. Spin rate: The amount of spin on the ball, measured immediately after impact ***(GC Quad/BLP - camera based) Club data at impact: This includes club head speed, face angle, lie angle, club path, and impact location on the club face. Ball data after impact: This includes ball speed, launch angle (vertical and horizontal), spin rate, and side spin. My 7 iron club head speed on GC Quad is 85-86 and 82-83 on Trackman and Full Swing Kit. Cheers!! Hopes this clarifies any misconceptions.
“This is just to prove what we already know that this [the R50] is accurate […] Garmin is known even with the R10 and some other units to be very accurate. ” Um, no we don’t know that this is accurate. I would think that’s one of the main points of a review like this! Saying that is completely disingenuous. In fact, the R10 specifically is known to be pretty inaccurate, especially indoors, and especially with both higher ball-speeds, even with RCT balls, and shorter chip shots. And the R10 and Garmin’s other LM’s are all Doppler radar-based systems. This is their first photometric unit, so they don’t have any experience with a unit like this. From what I’ve seen on Reddit, the GSPro discord, and some TH-cam comments on R50 reviews, this thing can spit out some weird numbers. More testing required! And what is the size of its hitting area? Looks tiny? I couldn’t recommend this at this point over a BLP/GC3 or Eye Mini/Lite.
Unfortunately this is a limitation of all launch monitors that sit next to the golf ball (instead of behind or overhead). With the R50 you will have to move and realign the unit each time when switching between righty and lefty golfers.
put a tablet on a 3 camera monitor and you have one of these, that will work for putting. and spend a lot less. so much smoke and mirrors in the launch. No computer needed, yea for HTH, LOL
Nothing is different with GSPRO. It only runs on higher level PC period doesn't matter which LM. Another downer the hdmi resolution is the same as the screen 800 x 1280 pixels not very good.
I think it’s a huge disappointment that the R50 still needs a PC to run 3rd party softwares. In my opinion, that makes it nowhere close to worth the $5k pricetag. Hopefully they will integrate this in the future.
So you mentioned built in computer and cheap subscription then you say it's too expensive? When you compare realistically you have a 1000-1500$ laptop built in, that drops it 3500$ then let's say we had to pay 500 per year to use it. In 10 years you've spent an entire other 5 thousand on subscriptions. Garmin comes with 43k courses. Is it cheap? No. It's not expensive.
@@prakkerschlang7823 Cost and expense are relative. To some its expensive and to others its not. For me its a bit too expensive, at least for now. I would like to see it at $3000.00, but then I am not the one in charge of pricing.
Hey Mike here! Frank went full time not long ago so he’s been dialing up some GREAT product reviews from time to time. Wait til you see Mondays video 😉
This is the best channel on youtube when it comes to sim reviews.
🙏🏼
If you’re in the position in life where you can afford a $5000 launch monitor, you are most likely not worried about a $10 a month subscription. God do I wish I can get one of these for Chase and myself for when it gets to 100° plus Fahrenheit with 95% humidity. Here in Thailand.
Im from Thailand and I got a skytrack. You defniitely need a golf sim!
@ 100% going to need something by April. Or Chase and I are going to roast. Just gets too hot outside by then.
The subscription price ($100/yr) for Garmin Golf absolutely isn’t hefty in comparison to the rest of the industry. Bushnell charges $500/yr just to unlock basic software functionality. Uneekor charges $400, Skytrak+ and Rapsodo charge more than Garmin. The Garmin Golf sub also unlocks green contour mapping if you have a compatible Garmin golf watch.
There’s no cost to use third party connectors, so this is actually one of the cheapest continued-use LMs for GSPro.
@@Evan_Rodgersthat’s what I thought! I don’t like subscriptions but compared to the market it’s positively cheap! And if you have the garmin watch (which no one else is talking about but I happen to have one) you get the benefit on the course too. Great deal from garmin in my opinion. I think they should’ve thrown in a free year maybe for the price you’re paying for the unit, but still I wouldn’t be complaining!
$199 annually to Uneekor and a separate $250 annually to GSPro on my Eye Mini, if helpful.
I think you nailed it with the simplicity EXCEPT you didn't mention the constant bending to interface with the unit while playing a round. During practice that issue sort of goes away unless you want to map the data to a particular club and change often. As much as you hammered home the price it seems to be right priced for a unit with all its features. For folks without enough suitable space for radar units there currently is no great option without any subscription. The Uneekor Eye Mini and Eye Mini Lite have a $200 annual subscription minimum and the golf courses that you get with it are pitiful. The Eye Mini, with a screen that does much less than the R50 (yet is still better than Bushnell/GC3) is typically sold at the same price as the R50 and requires an iPad at minimum to get a driving range and shot shape and to play a sim round you need a PC to play the terrible Refine golf courses that are included. The Eye Mini LITE version costs much less but has no screen and MUST have a PC or iPad to get ANY data similar to the SkyTrak+. The only upside is, like the Garmin, they do not charge extra to connect to 3rd party options. So I guess, like everything else, you get what you pay for and the R50 earns its hefty price with all the features and simplicity it provide.
One more thing... I can't think of another unit would be better to go out in the back and hit balls into a net for a golf simulation experience.
Didn't notice the R50- that swing of yours is a treat to watch
Garmin is nailling it. Is an apple like business model that just gets you at some point. Ive been using garmin approach watches for the last 7 seven years, Ive tried to use apple watch ultra and Tag Heurer but somehow I always come back to Garmin, its just better in every single feature. I also got the Garmin R10 and I just love it. So, when you are into the garmin ecosystem, paying a $100 USD suscription that you’re gonna use in all your devices is nothing.
Yep I pay for green contours and now I get upgraded HTH for free!
One thing that come to my mind is that no mention of if one can set the lofts for each club...This is a very important item for a accurate data.. So can it be set per club or is it fixed per club? Thanks....
Like a lot of LMs it will be better after one maybe two software updates after initial product launch.
The R50 is definitely the LM which spent rather too much time at the "all you can eat" buffet!
Things I love:
- no subscription fees for the basic club and ball data
- options for temperature and humidity, I love the idea of finding out what a cold day does to my carry distances.
- no need for a PC unless you want to play GSPro or E6 Apex or similar. HTH2 is still a bit cartoonish but very playable.
- Garmin subscription is very reasonably priced
- Software is very customisable
- speed of response
Things I think need improved
- ideally I would like to see a 4K version. 1080p is good but it could be better.
- does not provide descent angle data
- not convinced that the club data is as accurate as it should be - but that is very common issue for new LM
- HTH2 should include course total yardages with each course description
- price
None of the negatives are major other than the price. This is a great device, there could be some interesting integration with other Garmin devices such as their GPS watches, rangefinders etc
Is there a video on your sim enclosure and flooring in your studio? Feel like this exact setup would fit in my intended sim room.
Nice job. Thanks for the review
My R50 is on Track, I will Test for myself at the Weekend.
How thick is your mat and what are your settings for the height offset on the Mevo plus?
11:29 dude GSPRO and others are their own companies. Idk what you’re expecting that Garmin would get you an eternal license for awesome golf, gspro, and E6.
You’re talking like a lot of this stuff isn’t the same as every other monitor on the market.
Awesome video. What is the mat and enclosure you are using in the video?
Flightscope do recommend that there should be no gap between the mevo+ and the hitting zone, you unfortunately did your comparison so we can’t know if the differences are real or biased due to setting
Gap = same ground level from lm to tee
To me, get rid of that hunking built in monitor and make it the size of a buschnell or gc 3 and make an iPad mount in place of their monitor or you can put an iPad on a tripod at eye level. Keep the UI the same but in iPad app format and processsing still on the r50. Then you can keep the price down to $3,500
I really like watching these reviews to follow the technology. I can't afford it, but still like to know what is going on out there.😊
What size screen are you using? If I preorder this, I would like to get a 14ft screen but not sure how it would look with the 16:10 and unfortunately I don’t know anything about these lol. Thanks
Will it read when placed behind the ball? Important during gameplay when you have a buddy who is a lefty
So is the R50 more accurate than the Mevo ? If it is, I don't understand comparing the two. If there was a way to compare the R50 with the GC3, that would be the way to go.l
Would it work outdoors into a net?
The Standard for accuracy should be QC Quad or Trackman, not another 3 camera system such as GC3. Anyways....good review
Can you use it for club fitting?
I’m really confused all monitors have a subscription which is more than this? You keep saying hefty like it costs more than GC3, MLM2PRO, etc. 9:53 some other monitors don’t work at all without a subscription. You don’t need to pay the subscription if all you want is all the ball and club data.
GC3 owner here, thinking about upgrading to a quad or maybe this? Just curious, it seems like the greens don't react very realistic (yet maybe). Seems like the ball bounces extremely high with little to no backspin. Am i seeing that correctly or when you play have you noticed that it's a little more realistic than it appears?
also, how bit is that hitting area ( thats always a big factor for me), it looks similar to the GC3?
Is it worth it if you’re not a virtual golf nerd and don’t have a setup? Looking to improve my game in my garage bay. Don’t want to dork out with a PC
I want one of these. My gears are turning and thinking of how to build a bay in my basement. I have 9’ ceilings. I think I can make it happen with this. I see this in my near future.
I’m jealous about your basement with 9’ ceilings. Have my Garmin R50 set up in the garage with 9’ ceilings. Your basement should work out great. Good luck.
Curious - did you do a software or firmware update before doing the video.
Would you go with this or a GC3- struggling to decide which one to go for?
Can you link this to a tablet display so you don't have to keep bending down to use the touch screen?
You don’t need another launch monitor, just send me the R50 😂
Is it good for indoor hitting nets. No projector for me. I need mobility for my garage.
This thing is incredible, but I can't justify owning it. So if anyone is looking to buy an R50, hit me up in the comments.
Have serious interest in this unit for its simplicity. Never owned a LM before but teetering back and forth on this one or GC3. Sadly, GC3 will require decent PC to run software. I want to see R50 vs GC3 video so badly.
@ianc7751 fair point! I haven't seen a comparison between the R50 and the GC3 yet either. Thankfully, the R50 is comparable, but almost 50% the cost of the GC3. Looking forward to that comparison video.
@@ianc7751I have the Bushnell Launch Pro aka GC3 with the Gold Subscription for all the club data. I also have the Garmin R50. The Garmin has more club data and the impact video, so I tend to use the Garmin more than the GC3. I won’t be renewing my Gold Subscription for the GC3 when the year is up. From an accuracy standpoint, the ball data for both are very similar. But you can’t test them at the same time because the GC3 won’t register when it’s next to the Garmin.
@ appreciate the reply. For the price in Canada, Garmin is super appealing. GC3 seems to be touted as one of the most accurate but you need a good PC to enjoy it.
This will be a good buy - assuming it's accurate - in a year or so for $3-3.5k. Not being able to run GsPro out of the box is very disappointing.
You can’t run GS pro out of the box with ANY launch monitor on the market. Atleast with this you can play 42k courses out of the box. Along with driving range
Did the low resolution not look bad from the projector
I'd like to see this up against the Truegolf launch box.
How do we know that our club is on the Home T Hero list?
If you do a google search for “Home Tee Hero course list” you will be directed to the Garmin site and the course search tool. I found my course in it. Looks a good piece of kit.
there's no issue.. most golfers who are already using GS Pro already have a pc or if they are running awesome golf.. they will already have an iPad.
Looking for an answer ... I have a mat and a net and would like to simply attach the R50 to a television with an HDMI cable instead of looking at a 10" screen. Is this possible?
Yes you can use the HDMI to connect to a TV or a projector.
This is the real question for me, I dont mind having to still use an iPad or PC to run 3rd party software, that is reasonable... BUT... can you get ADDITIONAL info on the R50 screen while using 3rd party software? For example, if I use Awesome Golf on my iPad, can I at same time get slow-mo replays of my face impact location at the R50? That would be a killer combo. Or does the R50 just goes dead when using 3rd party software? Thanks
I use the Garmin R50 with GS Pro. You can set the screen option on the Garmin to show the club impact video.
“I’ve got no skin in the game here” but also “follow the link below and use our code” 😂😉
He meant from Garmin to give them a good review. Seemed pretty obvious to me.
@@bearish7081making money off of this video is exactly what “skin in the game” would refer to. He’s clearly trying to mislead a some there, just check the tone during that little segment of the video. Let me just slow down and explain why I’m unbiased (even though I get paid if you buy one… wink wink).
testing it against a Mevo+ Indoor - seriously?
How inaccurate are these numbers then? Even a Trackman 4 has its difficulties indoors with RCT Balls, not mentioning the not so good Radar inside the mevo+.
2 degrees club path or face angle difference are not 1 or 2 % difference
Without testing it against a swing robot you never know the real numbers.
Why would you test against the mevo?!
Can you see the screen in the bright sunlight outside?
Been using mine outside for a couple days and no issues seeing the screen.
To be fair I would think the r50 is more accurate then the mevo
By far. I’ve had it for 2 weeks and is comparable to Full Swing and Launch Pro
@@rubelukeable important to note that radar LMs typically measure slightly higher (~0.5-1.5 mph) clubhead speed and carry distance. I never hit the ball further than when I use a trackman sim 😂
@@Evan_Rodgers That's actually not true. As per Trackman 4 and Full Swing representatives. Please read as follows:
***TRACKMAN (Radar based)
Club speed: Measured just before impact.
Face angle: Represents the clubface orientation at impact.
Launch angle: Measured as the ball leaves the clubface.
Spin rate: The amount of spin on the ball, measured immediately after impact
***(GC Quad/BLP - camera based)
Club data at impact:
This includes club head speed, face angle, lie angle, club path, and impact location on the club face.
Ball data after impact:
This includes ball speed, launch angle (vertical and horizontal), spin rate, and side spin.
My 7 iron club head speed on GC Quad is 85-86 and 82-83 on Trackman and Full Swing Kit. Cheers!! Hopes this clarifies any misconceptions.
“This is just to prove what we already know that this [the R50] is accurate […] Garmin is known even with the R10 and some other units to be very accurate. ”
Um, no we don’t know that this is accurate. I would think that’s one of the main points of a review like this!
Saying that is completely disingenuous.
In fact, the R10 specifically is known to be pretty inaccurate, especially indoors, and especially with both higher ball-speeds, even with RCT balls, and shorter chip shots.
And the R10 and Garmin’s other LM’s are all Doppler radar-based systems. This is their first photometric unit, so they don’t have any experience with a unit like this.
From what I’ve seen on Reddit, the GSPro discord, and some TH-cam comments on R50 reviews, this thing can spit out some weird numbers.
More testing required!
And what is the size of its hitting area? Looks tiny?
I couldn’t recommend this at this point over a BLP/GC3 or Eye Mini/Lite.
What if your lefty? And your playing a round of golf with your friends who are righty? Not one review video has mentioned this ????😳
Unfortunately this is a limitation of all launch monitors that sit next to the golf ball (instead of behind or overhead). With the R50 you will have to move and realign the unit each time when switching between righty and lefty golfers.
Yeah that sucks man!!! Appreciate the quick reply tho ✊🏼
put a tablet on a 3 camera monitor and you have one of these, that will work for putting. and spend a lot less. so much smoke and mirrors in the launch. No computer needed, yea for HTH, LOL
Nothing is different with GSPRO. It only runs on higher level PC period doesn't matter which LM. Another downer the hdmi resolution is the same as the screen 800 x 1280 pixels not very good.
I don’t think enough people are talking about this 😂
Carrying the R50 to the range is a non issue. Dont see that as a downside.
I think it’s a huge disappointment that the R50 still needs a PC to run 3rd party softwares. In my opinion, that makes it nowhere close to worth the $5k pricetag. Hopefully they will integrate this in the future.
The things I like:
1. The built in computer
2. The large display
3. The cheap subscription
4. No weird balls
But the price is a bit much.
So you mentioned built in computer and cheap subscription then you say it's too expensive? When you compare realistically you have a 1000-1500$ laptop built in, that drops it 3500$ then let's say we had to pay 500 per year to use it. In 10 years you've spent an entire other 5 thousand on subscriptions. Garmin comes with 43k courses. Is it cheap? No. It's not expensive.
@@prakkerschlang7823 Cost and expense are relative. To some its expensive and to others its not. For me its a bit too expensive, at least for now.
I would like to see it at $3000.00, but then I am not the one in charge of pricing.
Hey is Mike not a petty of this channel anymore?
Hey Mike here! Frank went full time not long ago so he’s been dialing up some GREAT product reviews from time to time. Wait til you see Mondays video 😉
“Alright”
The lent on his shoulder is annoying me
I wouldnt buy it unless it can be compared directly to trackman or GC4.
It's not good, it's overpriced and average.
I'm sorry you didn't bother to answer my very simple question, which shows a blatant lack of professionalism.
Don't be an entitled asshat @alainjocob3841. Broham is making you a free video. He's not your personal coach. You should just thank him.