this set the record straight he just fell asleep at epsom pat just switched him off but made no mistake here el gran senior was great rainbow quest went on to win the arc with pat eddery legend
@@joncaffrey8967 Christy Roche outrode Pat on the day at the death simple as that Christy was magnificent never gave up that's a fact like soccer ⚽ players now you play until the nineteen nine mins until the referee blows his whistle
@@davidmcmahon5234 true Christie never gave up secrito never done anything after that Derby el gran went on to beat rainbow quest in the Irish Derby and then pat won the arc on rainbow quest Christie didn't out rode pat he just got a better response from secreto it's just a Derby el gran should have won but didn't and no mean feat for Christie roache 😊
@@SeanWmunny453 The horse just got outbattled and outstayed. Yes you can argue that he sat too long and was perhaps overconfident but when he asked him to go and win the race and there was plenty of distance to do so, he found very little once hitting the front.
The Horse DID stay , got to the front too soon at Epsom with Pat showboating as was his wont at the time and it backfired , ridden for a turn of foot he was lethal and unbeatable that is indeed Rainbow Quest in second made to look one paced and he was a very very good horse himself very high class animal
There was also the fact at Epsom of a determined Christy Roche and a willing partner in Secreto, and the race was run in a relatively slow time of 2.39 so when Eddery asked his mount to quicken the response wasn't immediate but at the Curragh Pat was a bit more aggressive that bit earlier i.e . a furlong and a half out. Cockiness at Epsom was indeed was also a factor
@@liamg353 these days he would have been kept to a Mile and would have been in the Frankel class unbeatable over a mile , one of the greatest milers of all time his 2000 was the strongest one i can remember apart from Dancing Brave's and the Brig Beating Mill Reef , probably the Brig's 2000 jointly with the Senor
Mr Eddery, most certainly LEARNED a LESSON from Epsom Derby- This Time He came there and ASKED the horse to quicken this time rather than trying to win hard Held!!!
Also worth noting how easily he was cruising into the straight until released over 1f out you just seldom see that in any Group One nevermind a Derby it just doesn't happen and simply cruising up to a horse like Rainbow Quest , simply outrageous
El Gran Senior was great. Eddery admitted that if Rainbow Quest had headed off at a good pace he might not have won here. RQ was very good. He should have gone to the Eclipse, Sussex .... He might not have got injured and the goat status was on the table.
The apple of Vincent’s eye. Never gave Sadlers Wells a second look that year. Rather unkindly said he was ugly, due to a parrot mouth. Bet he felt daft after both horses stud career.
in fact this horse getting beat in the Derby probably led to Eddery's retainer being severed at the end of the following season, something else rather noteworthy, neither Eddery nor Cauthen look anywhere near dated in their respective riding styles both would not look out of place in 2021 that is why both were so successful in the 80's
@@WESSERPARAQUAT you are a Hundred percent right Christy Roche outrode Pat Eddery in the finish when it mattered people can't get there head around that watch the finish again it's as simple as that
Top class racehorse. Remember this race like it was yesterday.
Classy performance, and beating Subsequent Arc winner Rainbow Quest was no mean feat.
Sired by the Legendary Northern Dancer too!
With Pat Eddery riding Rainbow Quest this time and winning it in the stewards room.
Maybe the best I’ve ever seen!
@Shaunmurray
Just a shame we never saw more of him.
this set the record straight he just fell asleep at epsom pat just switched him off but made no mistake here el gran senior was great rainbow quest went on to win the arc with pat eddery legend
@@joncaffrey8967 Christy Roche outrode Pat on the day at the death simple as that Christy was magnificent never gave up that's a fact like soccer ⚽ players now you play until the nineteen nine mins until the referee blows his whistle
@@davidmcmahon5234 true Christie never gave up secrito never done anything after that Derby el gran went on to beat rainbow quest in the Irish Derby and then pat won the arc on rainbow quest Christie didn't out rode pat he just got a better response from secreto it's just a Derby el gran should have won but didn't and no mean feat for Christie roache 😊
Great horse, won one of the best Guineas ever run
Correct lear fam etc
Yes indeed He whupped Lear Fan, Rainbow Quest and an absolutely massive talented black horse called Chief Singer. What a race that guineas was
@@OGA_999 Yes, and i love Chief Singer, but The Senor beat him hollow🐎
Eddery blew the English Derby on El Gran Senor. No question
@@SeanWmunny453 The horse just got outbattled and outstayed.
Yes you can argue that he sat too long and was perhaps overconfident but when he asked him to go and win the race and there was plenty of distance to do so, he found very little once hitting the front.
The Horse DID stay , got to the front too soon at Epsom with Pat showboating as was his wont at the time and it backfired , ridden for a turn of foot he was lethal and unbeatable that is indeed Rainbow Quest in second made to look one paced and he was a very very good horse himself very high class animal
There was also the fact at Epsom of a determined Christy Roche and a willing partner in Secreto, and the race was run in a relatively slow time of 2.39 so when Eddery asked his mount to quicken the response wasn't immediate but at the Curragh Pat was a bit more aggressive that bit earlier i.e . a furlong and a half out. Cockiness at Epsom was indeed was also a factor
@@liamg353 these days he would have been kept to a Mile and would have been in the Frankel class unbeatable over a mile , one of the greatest milers of all time his 2000 was the strongest one i can remember apart from Dancing Brave's and the Brig Beating Mill Reef , probably the Brig's 2000 jointly with the Senor
@@WESSERPARAQUAT Nothing would have beaten Frankel in the 2000 , what He did was breathtaking Imho
@@kevinmunday5782 El Gran Senor was a better horse
@@kevinmunday5782 Frankel beat f all in his 2000
Such a shame this was his last race, would have loved to have seen him take on the older horses in the King George or International.
El Gran Senor was a world beater. His defeat in the Derby just showed how far ahead Lester was ahead of everyone else.
Lester? What the hell you are talking about?
@@alioucisse1548 Piggott would have won on him.
@@davidrobinson2776 how do you know that? I could have won on him
Mr Eddery, most certainly LEARNED a LESSON from Epsom Derby- This Time He came there and ASKED the horse to quicken this time rather than trying to win hard Held!!!
He asked the horse to quicken at Epsom too but just got outbattled and outstayed.
Also worth noting how easily he was cruising into the straight until released over 1f out you just seldom see that in any Group One nevermind a Derby it just doesn't happen and simply cruising up to a horse like Rainbow Quest , simply outrageous
El Gran Senior was great. Eddery admitted that if Rainbow Quest had headed off at a good pace he might not have won here. RQ was very good.
He should have gone to the Eclipse, Sussex .... He might not have got injured and the goat status was on the table.
I had the straight forecast in this race and thought it was like buying money.
The apple of Vincent’s eye. Never gave Sadlers Wells a second look that year. Rather unkindly said he was ugly, due to a parrot mouth.
Bet he felt daft after both horses stud career.
in fact this horse getting beat in the Derby probably led to Eddery's retainer being severed at the end of the following season, something else rather noteworthy, neither Eddery nor Cauthen look anywhere near dated in their respective riding styles both would not look out of place in 2021 that is why both were so successful in the 80's
Both were great jockeys who would have excelled in any era.
And would be signed by Rainbow Quest's Owner as his no-1 jockey after being dumped by Vincent O'Brien
@@WESSERPARAQUAT you are a Hundred percent right Christy Roche outrode Pat Eddery in the finish when it mattered people can't get there head around that watch the finish again it's as simple as that
El caballo olvidado
Eddery got there far too soon as Epsom. It is apocryphal that Lester asked “ did you miss me ? “ I bet they did
i have absolutely NO DOUBTS Lester WOULD indeed have won on El Gran Senor , Pat was a p ks c t sometimes
Sir Peter, the fool commentating TWICE .....has another go at the replay :P and Khalid became Kay-lid
and he always defaulted to 'wins it in tremendous style' regardless of whether it was true or not.
@@countbasi4680 very true, he was actually a pretty c r a p commentator