Excellent video & explanation. Assuming you've dialed in the VE tables, once you have made all the throttle percent runs & have the measured torque output for all those runs displayed grid style in WinPep8, can you copy those WinPep8 cells and paste them to the grid in the C3 screen ? (mainly the cells that look valid and not the off-the-reservation ones)
Yup, that's one approach. You could also just apply the difference between the original torque values and measured torque values to the existing TBETC values, +/- some fudge factor and run with that. For example, if it used to make 100 lbs-ft and now makes 130 lbs-ft at a certain condition, you could apply a 30% change.
Good stuff, man! Thank you! I'm starting to finally understand how this new tech can translate to my 2008 FXDB. Excited to learn about Tuning Link. How much of this can be applied to a non pro, without a dyno, on narrow band o2's?😅
Your bike isn’t DBW /ETC from what I recall. Regardless, always plenty to learn. You can get a ton of work done and develop a refined calibration for your bike with the tech included with a PV or PV3 (Autotune Basic, using OEM NBo2’s). Lots of AT sessions, lots of datalogs, use WP8 Data to review / analyze and guide you in your calibration changes.
I know TBETC can be disabled but will setting the Max Throttle override values 1 to 1 like say input 70 in the 70% column on up thru to 100 in the 100% column override the other ETC settings or cause incorrect throttle action because it is a value that needs to be calculated then added to the table? Why did your example for the Max Throttle override have 5 columns all for 100%?
I believe the values in the "Max Throttle table" are "TP% at certain RPM (y-axis) and of modeled power (x-axis) to achieve the target power (or torque)". The "Max Throttle Override" gets added to that value, so conceivably you could overshoot the power slightly or significantly, and if the overshoot fails a plausibility check, the ETC system will shut down the power. I was looking at an stk file in the video, and that's why the "Max Throttle Override" has redundant 100% columns. They are truly there in the ECU calibration, but when you're working with a PVT or DJT file the firmware for each respective file type / device will do a "copy-to" function to fill in those cells with values that match the first 100 percent column.....if that makes sense
sometimes i can´t use the throttle blade control in the c3 software , why? 2017 Breakout for example why is there no button for the TBC - in win PV it is
Is the tune up to date? If tables are missing you need to update the PVT tune file. You can do this in WinPV or C3. Just need a PV plugged in with the latest firmware. You can email me the file too and I could take a look.
@@ThePowerFarm yes it´s up to date. i miss it on more maps. winPV can´t go higher in the % of twist. in C3 i can do 30% in 35% in WinPV 30% is still 30%
Great video Dan very enlightening as always great job thank you ( is it possible to get a copy of the doc you had on the screen )
Excellent video & explanation.
Assuming you've dialed in the VE tables, once you have made all the throttle percent runs & have the measured torque output for all those runs displayed grid style in WinPep8, can you copy those WinPep8 cells and paste them to the grid in the C3 screen ?
(mainly the cells that look valid and not the off-the-reservation ones)
Yup, that's one approach. You could also just apply the difference between the original torque values and measured torque values to the existing TBETC values, +/- some fudge factor and run with that. For example, if it used to make 100 lbs-ft and now makes 130 lbs-ft at a certain condition, you could apply a 30% change.
Awesome video Dan. Thank you.
Good stuff, man! Thank you! I'm starting to finally understand how this new tech can translate to my 2008 FXDB. Excited to learn about Tuning Link. How much of this can be applied to a non pro, without a dyno, on narrow band o2's?😅
Your bike isn’t DBW /ETC from what I recall. Regardless, always plenty to learn. You can get a ton of work done and develop a refined calibration for your bike with the tech included with a PV or PV3 (Autotune Basic, using OEM NBo2’s). Lots of AT sessions, lots of datalogs, use WP8 Data to review / analyze and guide you in your calibration changes.
AWESOME INFORMATION
We have seen a couple Road Glides throw a CEL when that Torque based throttle was turned off.
I know TBETC can be disabled but will setting the Max Throttle override values 1 to 1 like say input 70 in the 70% column on up thru to 100 in the 100% column override the other ETC settings or cause incorrect throttle action because it is a value that needs to be calculated then added to the table? Why did your example for the Max Throttle override have 5 columns all for 100%?
I believe the values in the "Max Throttle table" are "TP% at certain RPM (y-axis) and of modeled power (x-axis) to achieve the target power (or torque)". The "Max Throttle Override" gets added to that value, so conceivably you could overshoot the power slightly or significantly, and if the overshoot fails a plausibility check, the ETC system will shut down the power.
I was looking at an stk file in the video, and that's why the "Max Throttle Override" has redundant 100% columns. They are truly there in the ECU calibration, but when you're working with a PVT or DJT file the firmware for each respective file type / device will do a "copy-to" function to fill in those cells with values that match the first 100 percent column.....if that makes sense
sometimes i can´t use the throttle blade control in the c3 software , why? 2017 Breakout for example why is there no button for the TBC - in win PV it is
Is the tune up to date? If tables are missing you need to update the PVT tune file. You can do this in WinPV or C3. Just need a PV plugged in with the latest firmware.
You can email me the file too and I could take a look.
@@ThePowerFarm yes it´s up to date. i miss it on more maps. winPV can´t go higher in the % of twist. in C3 i can do 30% in 35% in WinPV 30% is still 30%
How do I contact you? I've got some questions. Need tuning on Sportster S
DynoDanTuning@gmail.com