The Epic of Khairy Jamaluddin: From Oxford PPE to UMNO, Keluar Sekejap, and Beyond
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 6 ก.ย. 2024
- In November 2022, Khairy Jamaluddin lost an election in a seat that he was never expected to win.
In January of the following year, he had been expelled from his party. Deep loyalty was rewarded with treachery, a violation of due process, and many other things, and the politician of more than 20 years had to go away from politics into a brave new world
In this episode of Pathways, I had the honour of chatting with former Health Minister and Youth and Sports Minister Khairy Jamaluddin about his education, at Oxford University, as he took on what was then known, and now continues to be known, as the Prime Minister's degree.
It was a tremendous privilege to discuss with him the early days leading up to Oxford, and how all of the educational decisions that he had made ended up factoring into the choices that shaped his life in UMNO, leading up to the present day through an appreciation of good into doubt, and into the restructuring and reconstruction of society.
We discussed Tun Mahathir's Malay Dilemma, Dato' Seri Anwar Ibrahim's Asian Renaissance, and many other things including the May 13th incident, and it was a pleasure to see this gentleman's mind at work and to discuss many things that I could not have expected to have discussed in an earlier era, all brought about because of... An Instagram story?
It's strange to think about it even now!
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Good interview bro
Thank you bro! 🙏 Look forward to future ones ahead!
Good job man!
thx!
Interesting how we tried eliminating the identification of employment with ethnicities, by making the public sector exclusive to Bumiputeras
It certainly appears that way. But to what extent is what you say about our government making the public sector exclusive to bumiputeras true?
It’s definitely true that much of the public sector is made up of people of Malay or bumi descent. Is it because of discrimination though? I am not so sure - I think that that would be a very intuitive assessment to make, but I am not entirely convinced that it's correct.
Maybe it's not entirely because there's a systematic bias.
You see, the current head of research of Khazanah is Chinese, and I do know previous members of the board of directors who are non-Malay, for example, and it is a fact that these people do exist within the organization. The previous CEO of Petronas Digital, meanwhile, was Chinese as well.
It's certainly true that we can't deny that a vast majority of the people who are participating in the various GLCs are indeed Malay. But that can be because people of other ethnicities simply make free choices to work elsewhere other than in the government sector. You can't really force people to enter into a particular job against their own will unless maybe they are scholars or otherwise, but in that case, then you'd be paying vast amounts of money in order to make sure that they can complete their education and that's what we would call quid pro quo or a fair exchange.
Now I'm not categorically denying the possibility that there is indeed a racially motivated basis of discrimination against people who are of say Chinese or Indian descent on the part of the GLCs of Malaysia, but at the same time I would say that you would actually need more evidence in order to make that claim conclusively and you need to explain in consideration of the possibility that what apparently looks like discrimination is merely the result of free choices made by people and not because of systematic biases or malicious intent.
It's true that the NEP was designed to eliminate identification of economic function with race and geographical location per the second prong, but while it’s true that governments can make laws and sometimes they can not be implemented ideally, it’s important to assign credit where it is due or at least not apportion blame too certainly when we may not know why certain things had come to pass.
At the end of the day though, it isn't the laws that make things equal - rather, it is the people that make themselves equal through their free choices. If the right incentives do exist perhaps we can move towards an outcome that's more equitable or in line with the policy and that could very well happen, but the question of whether that objective can or should be achieved by fiat and also intervention on the part of the government though is a separate question - discrimination is yet another matter which has yet to be addressed or understood in the context of the public sector and perhaps can or should be investigated.
Thank you for your comment and raising these thoughts, and I hope that you enjoyed this interview!
Consider the non-bumi PM discussion, or do non-bumis make the free choice to forego it? (Sorry if this sounds adversarial)
My point is free choice is only a legitimate point when considered within social structures and constructs. Although I understand the scepticism ldue to lack of evidence, these outcomes don't occur in a vacuum.
Perkara 153 Perlembagaan menegaskan dengan jelas tanggungjawab Yang di-Pertuan Agong menerusi kerajaan untuk melindungi kedudukan istimewa Bumiputera khasnya orang Melayu dan anak negeri Sabah dan Sarawak serta melindungi kepentingan sah kaum lain.
Antara perkara perlu ditunaikan adalah rizab bagi orang Melayu dan Bumiputera bagi jawatan dalam perkhidmatan awam dan biasiswa, dana siswa serta keistimewaan pendidikan atau latihan atau kemudahan khas lain. Tidak ada pihak boleh mempersoalkan kelebihan diperuntukkan dalam Perlembagaan ini kepada Melayu dan Bumiputera. Perkara ini telah dipersetujui leh semua kaum dalam kontrak sosial sebelum Tanah Melayu merdeka. Boleh rujuk Perlembagaan Malaysia mengenai definisi Tanah Melayu.
Rakyat Malaysia perlu lebih cakna mengenai Perlembagaan negara ini.
Perkara ini belum termasuk lagi dengan syarat khas di syaraikt-syarikat swasta bukan Bumiputera yang mahukan calon pekerja yang boleh berbahasa Mandarin, walapun syarikat ini tidak berurusan dengan dengan China. Selain itu terdapat juga isu berkaitan berbezaan skala gaji mengikut etnik dan bukan berdasarkan kekananan mahupun kebijaksanaan dalam bekerja.
Justeru, Malaysia yang aman damai ini janganlah dihancurkan kesejahteraannya dengan tuduhan yang buta sejarah dan dangkal.
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Oh no, don't worry. I don't see questions as adversarial. In fact, there are hardly any questions that I would see as adversarial. I would say that in many cases, non-Malays do make the free choice to not choose to pursue the Prime Minister's position.
Now, does every single non-Bumi make the choice to not pursue that position though? I'm sure that there are some people out there who choose to make the decision to pursue the PMship but then were blocked because of the very real barriers of which you are hinting, but it's unclear as to whether or not that is a constant, static, and ever-determined reality within the country.
The nature of our political system is constantly changing although, of course, there are certain things that remain at hand as something stable.
Anybody who seeks to become the Prime Minister of any country needs to receive broad support from a large proportion of the population. In Malaysia, the statistical truth is that 70% of the population is Bumi, and we are dominated by racialist politics in many different ways. If you were to somehow go about the process of becoming or asserting yourself as the PM of that country, then somehow you would either need to be accepted by that group, or you would need to facilitate a transformational change within the society such that you, even in your status as a non-Bumi, would assert the possibility of achieving the goal of receiving that sort of support.
If you are living in a world where every single other member of your community has only focused on just purely making money, you're not likely to seek out leadership of the country because leadership, frankly, is an arduous business.
It is possible even if it is not likely - the far simpler task would simply be to achieve some other sort of goal of the range of possible goals in this world. There's nothing wrong with that.
In fact, we could say that in fact the idea of wanting to lead a country in itself is a delusional thing, and that people who seek after it are a little soft in the head in some ways, haha.
With that in mind, I therefore think that there's no clear evidence of a systematic discrimination in such a way that would eternally preclude a non-Bumi from becoming the Prime Minister of this country, even if I don’t personally think it is likely to come to pass in my lifetime.
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He’s super smart! It was a real privilege to have this conversation with him - It doesn’t mean you should accept everything he says without questioning it though!
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@@VictorTan agree but malaysia is living in backwards smart people we don need him to lead LOL !
People may admired you but I feel you had done nothing for the country. You are extremely educated maybe with public funds but you never loved the Rakyat.
You are entitled to that opinion - it is an opinion that a lot of people in Malaysia have held before.
Not a matter of opinion. These are the types of people who spoilt or delayed our country's progress who could not sacrifice for the unity of country but only think of their selfish reasons. This man is of what use ? So educated so what. He may be trying to get your support but he will not get mine
dah x relevan dah KJ ni..hari tu sub KS tapi unsub dah hahaha...ada ka dia kata dia percaya surat layang tu...dia tau tu salah tapi dia menegak kan yang salah..soooo di mana relevan nya mamat ni?
Walaupun saya juga bukannya seseorang yang menyokong tindakan seseorang itu yang ingin membuatkan kritikan yang berdasarkan bukti yang tidak kukuh, saya rasa masalah KJ yang terutama adalah bahawa saudara Wan Fayhsal tidak diberi peluang untuk menegakkan dirinya di depan parlimen; itu adalah sebab terutama bahawa KJ telah mengemukakan hujahnya secara publik dan bukan sebaliknya bahawa dia itu mempercayai apa-apa yang ditulis dalam surat itu.
Sekiranya anda boleh buktikan bahawa hal yang sebenar adalah sebaliknya, dipersilakan berikan hujahan anda.
Pampered politicians, nepotism
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Well, I don't know if there was nepotism necessarily. I think the standard reputation is that there was. I don't know to what extent that was true though, so I would rather make comments on things that I do not necessarily know, at least with respect to the KJ case. Although, there may be stronger claims to be made for other individuals. In any case, this interview isn't about any of that. It's more about education, which is not something that you can really gain as easily. I'm sure that there is some out there through the legacy system, but generally, Oxford has enough rich and extremely smart people to make it so that they won't need to admit somebody who is disastrously stupid but also stupidly rich.