The Spanish Princess Season 2 Episode 5 clip with Charlotte Hope - Traveling
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- The Spanish Princess Season 2 Episode 5 clip with Charlotte Hope - Traveling
When the plague hits London, the court flees to Hampton Court but Maggie and Thomas More remain in the empty - and surprisingly romantic - palace.
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Catherine's face at 0:02 when Bessie said "Good Morning Your Grace" ...
She was pissed.. poor Catherine ☹
I feel so bad for Catherine. She truly thought Henry loved her...
Well he did, that is until she couldn’t produce a male heir and he lost interest and affection for her. There are many reports that in the early years of their marriage Henry expressed his love for her, and also when Henry first became king in 1509 he could’ve married any other royal princess yet he chose Catherine.
@@Rev4mpz also head injuries turn people into psychopaths and Henry had at least one severe head trauma due to a jousting accident
Henry did love her, but he was a jerk
@@MsSonnencreme I think the amount of babies he lost also created trauma
Bessie was Henry's mistress for EIGHT YEARS!!!
It looks like they're going to make their relationship last only like a week which is really annoying because it's significant that Bessie was able to keep his interest for that long. It makes Bessie look dumb which she wasn't.
Even I feel bessie wasnt this fool as shown here.. she must be bessie as The tudors showed beautiful arrogant and disrespectful to catherine.. I heard she was the one who made this saying bless e bessie so she wasnt actually fool
She was the only one of his long term relationships that ended well. He took care of her even after she stopped sleeping with him and even after their son died. He set her up with a secure husband and gave her an annual allowance that lasted her entire life.
@@saminy5443 because she gave him his first son.
@@Bio-j2y For sure :D
@@saminy5443 this man was crazy for son..
I wish Catherine was still with Arthur so she could not worry and get hurt
Yeah same thought
Now imagine if they are put the actual ages of the girls in here to play the part of these woman it would be so disgusting how young they were and how Henry didn’t care and still would impregnate them
In this time, they married at 12 because women died at young age for giving birth many children and diaseases.
actually, in the 16th century they didn't know it was bas because as soon as girls had their period, they would get married. it was a pretty common thing. but yeah it's terrible
Bessie was around 14(or older) when the affair started. Katherine of Aragon was 16 when she married Arthur. And was supposed to arrive in England year prior.
At Tudor times it was normal for a girl to be married at 14(and some were already widowed and married again aged 14). Your outrage is unnecessary.
You're pushing modern standard upon 16th century. Why then be angry at just Henry and not all rest of those men who married girls under 18?
@@juyeonie731 That is not true. (At least not in England) By 16th century this practice was already frowned upon and many nobles married their daughter 14, 16, or even 18 years old. Because they already noticed that being married younger than that causes troubles.
(Look a bit into Tudor noble houses, most first brides 14-18 by end of 15th century and in early 16th century. Not saying all cared about the health of their daughter or wife. Even nowadays not everybody cares if a girl is too young...)
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It was mostly royals who still married daughters younger than that and it was expected that if the bride was 12 or 13 than that her husband would wait(though not all did) until she is older.
@@janehaylay1152 It would *look* disgusting to a modern audience which is why they didn't cast actors/actresses who were the correct age of the people from that time period. Knowing that children had sex with adults is different from witnessing it. I'm sure the person who made this comment is equally disgusted by any man that had sex with children of that time period, no matter how normal it was, but is pointing Henry out because this show is LITERALLY about Henry and Catherine.
Can not wait till Sunday!
I wonder if they'll show Catherine of Aragon's last pregnancy then. She was pregnant around the same time Elizabeth Blount was with Henry Fitzroy
Looking at all the promo pics and previews, imma guess they won’t cover Catherine’s last pregnancy. It makes no sense in the show why Henry would give up hope after 3 pregnancies, 2 which were successful (and Infant mortality was common) and the other a miscarriage because of Catherine’s involvement in battle. I wish they covered Catherine’s probable eating disorder which most likely affected her pregnancies.
@@user-oj7bn5fq4m was it an eating disorder? I know she fasted a lot for religious purposes, never thought of it as an eating disorder but that is interesting
@@Jazzzzyyyy__ It’s a theory some people have put forward. It appears that Catherine started fasting increasingly more during her widowhood when she most likely suffered from depression. This is known to be excessive because the Pope ordered her in 1505 to stop fasting so much or else it could affect her fertility in her future marriage to the then Prince Henry. She defied these orders and continued to fast excessively. Luis Caroz the Spanish ambassador who Catherine trusted a lot wrote about how Catherine fasted so much and it worried him and the physicians who thought it was affecting her pregnancies. She refused to stop and went days without eating. It’s probable that this was because she was religious, but she also wanted to give Henry a prince, why didn’t she stop fasting like her doctors told her to? It is likely she could’ve had some form of an eating disorder that was obviously not known about in the 1500s. Maybe it was a coping method for her during her widowhood? However, This definitely contributed to her miscarriages and stillbirths. Lots of other royal women, including her mother Isabel and Catherine de Medici followed the advice of physicians after unsuccessful pregnancies and had big families after using a physician’s advice. I wonder why Catherine didn’t do the same.
It’s honestly sad, Catherine’s widowhood years were very interesting and full of scandal at some points it gives us a look into a princess who went destitute and learned a lot about the crazy world around her. She had lots of snakes around her and men who used her during those years. I wish the Spanish princess was more accurate in that regard, because it was VERY inaccurate.
@A Tudor Fan
There is still one scene from the trailer that has not yet been shown. There's a scene where Katherine is crying on the bed because she just miscarried. It might be the last pregnancy.
@@user-oj7bn5fq4m WHOA really? Never knew that!
I still feel bad for Catherine regardless of whether Bessie had a choice to have an affair with Henry or not
Same. Everyone in the comments lost the vibe check like she has a right to be hurt. Let’s kill off Bessie 😏
I feel bad for both Catherine and Bessie
I feel bad for Bessie because it’s not like she could refuse Henry
@@julietadp5512 oh please. You mean Anne Boleyn? She was pregnant with Elizabeth when they married. “Married”... 👀
So true back in those day refusal wasn’t a word in a king’s dictionary. So Bessie let him have her only for him to impregnate her, use their son as a symbol that he is not the problem in producing a son and then cast her away like nothing. Henry really was disgusting
Ikr
Well, Bessie is both a participant and victim here. Well, for a girl of her status, being loved and showered affections from a king that gives a VIP Pass for good rewards here. Henry, in history, said that he was "in love" with Bessie as she was everything a king wants in a woman. Bessie was his ideal woman: young, beautiful, intelligent, acquiescent, well raised, musical, an enthusiastic rider, and a graceful dancer. As for her being a victim, she gave birth to his illegitimate son and had to be separate from raising her boy and marrying another man by order of the king. Finally, the king no longer wished to see her again, private and publicly.
So Lina most likely knows about Bessie and Henry. I’m going to guess she wouldn’t tell Catherine after Catherine’s spat at her last episode. Mary Boleyn’s shade towards Bessie was interesting, is the affair public?? Cuz irl Bessie’s affair with the King wasnt public knowledge in the English court.
It’s actually refreshing that Bessie didn’t act rude to Catherine. She was really young when she became Henry’s mistress, it was most likely not her choice to become involved with Henry.
They all know, what are you talking about?
@@gloriaregali9090 In reality almost nobody knew about the affair of Henry VIII and Bessie Blount before Henry Fitzroy's birth was announced. It wasn't public knowledge, Henry kept his affair private and hidden.
I wish they would've showed an actress who looked much younger than Catherine to play Bessie. In reality, Bessie was about 12 yrs old when she caught his eye. They didn't consumate until a bit later, but still very young. This actress looks older than Catherine
I agree and Catherine would see older for all the prenancies lost.
Most historians state that Bessie Blount was born around the year 1500, possibly even before that. It is agreed that her affair with King started by end of 1514 or in 1515.
And it certainly wasn't platonic for several years.
Hence she couldn't be 12 when she caught his eye, but around 14 or older.
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Yes, she was Katherine's maid of honour, but that term was used for all unmarried girls in Queen's household. That doesn't mean she was 12.
Spanish Princess is doing a great job at creating a totally inaccurate story as it is. No need to add more fictional things and slander Henry VIII further. He already did enough of horrible things as it is.
That's actually a really early date for Bessie's birth year. (Since we don't actually know when she was born, but that is one of the earliest mentioned, some others put her in her mid twenties when they start sleeping together). However, it is widely believed that Katherine Howard was his youngest lover and she was 19 when they met/started sleeping together. Also, and this is sometimes hard to believe considered how gross H8 is (especially later on in his life), but during his early years at least (pre-Katherine Howard), he wasn't into teens. For probably a lot of practical reasons (women that age don't usually live long after they get pregnant, if they can produce a child to term) but I just don't think (at that point at least) he was a pedophile.
I was wondering if Catherine was going to confront Bessie. I mean I know this isn't historically accurate, but it makes for good drama and reminds me of the scene in The Tudor's when Catherine says a similar thing to Anne Boleyn." I wonder if the writers were thinking of that when they wrote it. I'm not sure if the other ladies knew beforehand, more than likely most of them did, but if they didn't they do now that Catherine announced it. She was partially right. Henry did recognize Henry Fitzroy and then his affair with Bessie did come to an end after that. Then shortly after that, he began sleeping with Mary Boleyn. I think that was Mary in the carriage next to her, but it was hard to tell. She was throwing some shade, but she is going to be the next mistress. It was speculated that she also had Henry's son and a daughter as well, but if they were his he didn't recognize either of them.
While I do feel bad for Catherine, I don’t think she’s being very fair to Bessie. Henry is the King of England and no one could refuse him. We also have to keep in mind that Bessie was very young when she began her affair with Henry.
And in this time, It was normal that the kings had mistress, the father of Catherine had mistress like the husbands of Margaret and Mary Tudor.
Catherine will always love him and be his wife no matter how many mistresses he has.
Bessie has guts that is for sure
EDIT 2023: I didn't realise until now but that's Anne Boleyn who speaks about the rocking! Two mistresses in one cart of King Henry VIII.
As if women of court could have refused Henry....
He was the king of England, nobody would say "not" to him
@AStoryGood she fled to her family's estate. she refused being mistress, but her sister had already been there. and Henry was infatuated. She was able to pull stuff on him, nobody else was allowed
While I can understand Katherine's hate here, I also think she needs to get some perspective. It's not like a woman could refuse the king as the king would be pushing her, and so would her family, so Bessie likely didn't have a full say about the situation.
Did Catherine orchestrate this moment? To sort of shame Bessie? Because of look she gave Lina, and Lina’s expression of understanding.....
Catherine just wait until Anne
Then Anne should wait until Jane
@@Bio-j2y yeah but that years later this about Catherine
@@lolarizqo7549 yeah in catherine story too it took 24years but it was faster in annes may be 3 years😅
@@Bio-j2y yeah in end I feel bad for Catherine , Anne , Jane because they had deal Henry and didn't see beautiful children grown up .
@@lolarizqo7549 but then your comment that catherine should wait for her husbands mistress speaks something else😅
What's make it worse in history is Bessie's real age
how old was she??
@@julietadp5512 16 while he was 23, or 12 while he was 23 (we have no year of her birth)
@@julietadp5512 She was 14/15 or older when the affair started around late 1514/ early 1515. By the time she was pregnant with Henry Fitzroy, she was 18-19(or older).
I don't know what Liri is so outraged.
When Katherine of Aragon was 23 she married 17-year-old Henry and nobody is outraged about it. He was underage.
@@janehaylay1152 I'm outrage on that as well:) and on the age gap between him and Catherine Howard!
@@lili99941 I am more outraged about Catherine and Durham and Mannox...that happened several years prior to Henry. She was 17-19 when she married Henry.
How old could she be with Maxwell? 13? 12?
Should bring about same outrage as Edmund Tudor with lady Margeret Beaufort.(12 married, 13 his widow...)
Always with the vomit, and they're not even trying anymore, now they vomit on queue!
1. It's spelled "cue"
Stop eating the guinea fowl !!
Henry fitzroy incoming
I agree Henry was kind of lusty I mean whenever Catherine lost her child or was pregnant he would be with other women.
She can't catch no breaks
Oh gosh lol
they made Catherine so unlikable this season omg
Hell if anything they made her worse. It also doesn't help that they've written her to hate her daughter Mary. Which is completely inaccurate because Catherine loved Mary so much so that she was a very hands on mother, which was considered odd during this time period. Even Henry VIII was happy about Mary's birth because at this point they had already dealt with 4 previous pregnancies' (3 stillbirths and 1 SIDS) that resulted in dead children. So, they didn't know if they were going to have anymore children afterwards until they had Mary who was basically a rainbow baby. Henry saw this a sign from God that if they could have a baby girl then they could have sons. But with the way the show is going it's doing nothing, but creating even more unnecessary drama that doesn't need to be focused on. Not to mention having Catherine hate her daughter makes her look like a fake feminist and a big hypocrite. She's been preaching about feminism and female empowerment for the past two seasons, yet the minute she has a daughter all of the sudden she's like "A girl. What use is that?!" Like bitch what?!
@@itsyagirl6549 exactly!! How the hell Is this supposed to be a feminist show!?? Not only did they make Catherine hate Mary simply because of her gender but, they literally had her call Bessie a “plaything”. This show makes me so mad honestly like the writing is terrible and they completely lost all the points they were originally trying to make
@@HBOMAXtvmoviesyoutube Tbh the show isn't really trying to make a point. All it's trying to do is cash in on being a "woke" show. When in actuality this show is completely insulting to not only REAL woke and feminist shows, but to the women of the 16th century who were amazing badasses despite the societal norms they dealt with.
@@itsyagirl6549 agree
Exactly! That is a trash and it's so insulting towards Catherine, because she wasn't unlikeable, everyone loved her and had a respect for her. People really thought that she is ideal queen. She was regal, very clever, pious, so kind and merciful. Nothing like TSP's Catherine. I know it's a fiction, but anyway, I don't understand such shitty solutions. Catherine didn't deserve any of this, such portrayal and lies about her.
Everybody knows that Bessi is pregnant of Henry Fitzroy, the first bastard and the proof that Henry is "punishing" by god for married his brother's wido.
The deaths of children may have not been God's will, but Katherine fasting habits...she may have not realised that why trying to please God with her fasting she was lowering her chances of delivering a strong baby. Or she knew it was bad, but couldn't stop(eating disorder).
...Her entire reproductive history...and many details of her life(irregular menstruation, early menopause), people worried about her fasting...it fists eating disorder.
(Another factor could have been Katherine's parents being too closely related(2nd cousins but also cousins several times over...)-far closer than Henry's parents were, or huge infection Katherine had after her first stillbirth-incident also showed us she didn't trust her midwives(she didn't tell them at all she had stillbirth) and was instead listening to advise of male physician which would have been far less experienced in midwifery if he had any experience at all...)
Who’s that girl
Bessie Blount..She gave birth to Henry VIII's son Henry Fitzroy. He was illegitimate but the King 'publically pronounced' him and made him an Earl and a bunch of other titles and shit....but he died young.
young as in "he died when he was 17" about. Lived after Anne boleyn even. If he would have lived about a year or year and a half he might have met his half brother (and legitimate son of his father)
HENRY FITZROY...I gotta say...Could they found an uglier actress or what
Omg and could you be any more of a bullier?! Pity you w such low esteem that you have a need to pull another person down😒
It's a good thing your name is "Mediocre". It tells us every thing we need to know about your useless waste-of-conception self.
Rude much 😡
Yeah I'm terrible
@@mediocremaiden8883 And stupid***