No he was surprised that Russell called the one stop and beat his golden boy...... he was so subdued and Sir Nars O' Sist was sour as could be in the cool down room.
Toto had a straight face when GR crossed the finished line. I think he already knew it but didn't want to spoil the moment for GR. that was so unfortunate
Yeah he knew. I mean they have 100's of people monitoring the car all race, every little detail is measured. The plan was to get the car weighed WITH fuel still in it but that back fired. IMO the whole MERC team should be DQ'd just for that.
Another tough day for Osama Bin Russell....you're right, they absolutely knew. FIA usually pulls the top cars for inspection, dont know how Toto thought they'd get away with it.
Some other notes here: Robert Kubica at the Hungaroring in 2006 was the last driver who had been disqualified via an underweight chassis, so this was quite a serious blunder. As to why an underweight car matters, not only does the weight difference mean that he would gain time over his opposition, it would've also meant the amount of wear on the tyres would be reduced, which might've contributed to Russell's one-stopper working out so well to finish 1st on the road.
Can you calculate, in SPA laps, how many laps did the 1.5 kilos lighter car gained, in terms of tires wear? In other words, do you really think that 1.5 kilos less made the difference between one stop and two stops, for tires change? In reality, it didn't made much difference, George did win by himself. That 1.5 kilos came from a wrong fuel quantity calculations, or from a slightly high consumption. As many said, some engineers made a mistake. But rules are rules, and he was disqualified.
@@1zanglang The fuel isn't a factor, the cars are supposed to be fully drained of fuel before being weighed. The car itself was 1.5kg too light, and yes it will have made a difference. 1kg is often cited to equate to roughly a tenth of a second per lap, so George will have been unfairly gaining time since the very start of the race and the lighter car will definitely have reduced his tyre wear and contributed to his ability to manage the tyres as long as he did. If his car was legal, his tyre wear would have been higher and he'd have lost about 4 seconds (more once you factor in his higher tyre wear) over the course of the race, meaning Lewis and probably Oscar as well would have most likely passed him.
@@1zanglang The car weight limit is without fuel. I checked the regulation and the FIA document. A minimum of 1 liter must remain in the tank for testing, the document states this regulation was fulfilled as 2.8 liters were drained. The car was then weighed again, fuel fully drained. That's the weight that matters, and it means the car was underweight for the whole race as it had lost no parts due to damage. As for how much of a difference it would have made, I don't think anyone can claim to genuinely know. Personally, I'm in the "seems really unlikely to have mattered" camp. It would have made miniscule difference to lap time and tire wear. The margins were not that thin from what I remember. The tires were still holding on fine, plenty of traction and the car did not look slippery, so it seems unlikely that carrying that extra weight would have pushed them off the cliff. But there's no getting away from the fact it would have had _some_ effect, and rules are rules.
You think so do you....... I'm not sure if you paid any attention to Toto at the end of the race his lack of expression tells me that both cars probably highly out of spec!
@@ramborigs missed the point of my comment. Toto wanted Lewis to be embarrassed, not George. If it was Lewis on the 1 followed by George he’d have been satisfied. He hates Hammo leaving and wants him to hurt. Thanks for the personal attack though.
That probably explains the 2 things I was thinking about: 1) Toto had a deadpan expression after Russell crossed the finish line 2) How Russell managed to keep Hamilton behind...I guess he was using more fuel to do just that, as well as having a lighter car, otherwise Hamilton would've got past him a lot sooner & easily
I’m not sure what Scott has against Piastri, he made up 3 places and says a near miss but Norris dropped multiple places but doesn’t mention how that’s going effect his championship charge
One of the funnier things about the Red Bull result is that Perez being up the field for once meant he constantly slowed Verstappen by providing DRS to Verstappen's rivals.
It seems like people don’t realise how being 1.5 KG less than everybody significantly affects the overall performance of the car. Seeing comments here and there saying that the FIA makes a big deal out of this and it is unfair.. Just to clarify, this amount of weight removed makes the car about 0,15 to 0,20 seconds quicker than everyone else’s pace per lap. That translates roughly being 6-7 seconds faster due to less weight in 44 laps. If you add those seconds on Russell’s race, he would be in 4th or 5th place at the end, which would make a lot more sense with that bold strategy move. Tsunoda and Magnussen also followed a one stop strategy but their outcome was nowhere near as successful as Russell’s race. So yeah the DNF is absolutely justified. F1 has very small margins, and not being disqualified would be borderline unfair for the rest of the grid.
That's right, it may not seem much, but it accumulates. Even if it was 0.5 kg, it's still a disqualification, rules are rules, what's with this unfair nonsense.
Well yeah, but since the loss of weight is being attributed to the loss of rubber from his tyres, he will only have been underweight from the point of around when his second pitstop would have been, so only a third of the race. Still shouldn't have won, and still should have been DQ'd, but let's not get carried away.
What the hell are you talking about... The accepted rule of thumb is 0.3 seconds per 10kg. Meaning 1.5kg gains him about 0.045 seconds per lap, meaning 1.98 seconds over the race. Rules are rules, but let's be realistic here
Finding it odd that so many are proclaiming Russell's race as some kind of 'mega drive' - he was absolutely nowhere for 2/3's of it and had nothing to lose by gambling on a 1 stop and throwing a double 6. And every driver on the grid has remarked that the tyres didn't degrade anywhere near what everyone expected them to which makes a mockery of suddenly anointing him as the 'tyre whisperer'. Not to mention he was driving a car a couple of kg's underweight which is a huge advantage around a circuit like Spa where you're on full throttle for 70% of the lap. It turned out track position was key and he was handed it in strategy to the detriment of his team mate who had earned it on merit.
Mega drive or not, still beat the rest of the grid.🤷🏻♂️ No matter what excuses people make, a win means you are fastest to the flag. Too bad his team let him down with the equipment, same as silverstone.
@@NWA_1919 Unfortunately that statement holds no value now though, cus there's no way to tell whether his mega drive was due to skill or him being underweight.
I don't know why everyone says, OMG Russell was so good, guys he was underweight the whole race and 1,5KG is like 2-2,5 sec over the whole race distance, he also had an advantage on the straits, I think if he was on normal weight Hamilton and Piastri would have catched him, of course incredible tier managed but we have to acknowledge the little bit of help he had.
Nope, mediocre tyre management, he had clear air, lighter car also meant it was better on the tyres, and tyres didn't degrade half as much as everyone expected so in that case he did just fine
@@Alumnikiid would you? George was doing better then Lewis for all of 22 and 23. Merc's new #1 driver is George and has been. Keeping Lewis on for however long he wants to keep racing hurts the team overall.
they said it was because of the rain they could not run with the hard tyres. Just like they said because of the Sprint race in COTA they could not antecipate how bumpy the track was. They have been making plenty of dumb mistakes here and there for years.
If we’re going to pretend, let’s give Piastri two seconds back for his pit braking error. He would have caught Hamilton for second and advanced to the top step.
I’d say not only in Bahrain but 5 races in after China, Mercedes looked pretty bleak (aside from maybe Hamilton’s P2 on that sprint). No one would’ve believed that Mercedes was going to be winning multiple races after just 5 grand prix
I have a feeling Russel was able to hold Lewis at bay till the end on a older tire is due to the car being significantly underweight. Lewis once said he would lose 2 second over a race distance with just 1KG added weight. Clearly Russel got help in that regard.
Considering 1.5 kg roughly equals 0.15 seconds of lap time, it doesn't surprise me that much that George was able to hold off Lewis. Still sad, he did a good job preserving the tires.
The car was not 1.5 kg lighter the whole race, it was tire deg...... Russell won this race and it was gifted to Hamilton. He held him off with 36 lap old tires.....
@@TheSlowoldman how does that even make sense? No one one stopped because it was a dumb strategy - russel didn't do anything impressive at all. The logic here is baffling. Hamilton beat a redbull and a ferrari - russell did absolutely nothing but save on a stop and drive light.
Love how we kept out the fact that the 1stop was the optional plan for lewis and the prefered one for him but even when he said that his tires were still good, he never even got the option
@@Cataclysm1Spa is pretty long so potentially he could've picked up 2kg or more. Unfortunately because it's so long they go straight to pits instead of the cool down lap.
@@Cataclysm1 This chad @mkgunnells2987 doesn't have a clue of what he's writing about. He just saw the same comment written somewhere else and came here to paste it.
@@PyleHD They are weighed with dry-weather tires. If they aren't fitted with a dry-weather tire, the FIA selects a pair to be installed and then weigh the car. Based on this, IF they already have dry-weather tires, they won't replace them and the added weight from the rubber pickup would be included.
Max will be stuck with rb unless he wants to be on a midfield team. McLaren and Ferrari are locked up, and Merc seems set on bringing in Antonelli as he's shown great potential in f2 lately and I highly doubt they remove George and make Max Antonelli's teammate when Max will fuck with his development as a young driver.
@@adamdavis4928Toto said that kimi antonelli is for now decided, but BUT if Verstappen wanted to move to Mercedes he will have a seat for him(aka antonelli's one) and that is until the start of next season. He said that multiple times, and when he said that at the start of the season everyone laughed, but race after race it is becoming more and more possible 😃 We can only wait and see. I also don't really like the idea of Kimi in a F1 when he is struggling to be a midfield driver at best in F2. He needs more time, but I guess we the normal fans don't know everything.
I wonder if max would accept to be in a team that doesn't have a number 1 and number 2 driver and would he be OK if russell and the team made different strategies and he didn't even know 😂
I disagree that Piastri could have won the race. Hamilton had 8 tenths delta and could not get past Russel. Piastri had similar pace to Hamilton, maybe a tenth faster. It seems inconceivable that with kind of delta over Hamilton, he could have actually overtaken him to win.
@@johnayomide4793 and Max had a similar delta on Leclerc, but couldn't pass him, either. I wonder what things would've been like had the FIA not shortened the DRS zone by 75m for this year's race
@@halofreak1990 Exactly people be thinking it's all you can overtake buffet. No it not. Spa was suppose to be the easiest track to overtake has it's being in the past but it kinda like Monza now. Lewis should be gaining 2tenth on Russell slipstream up raddion and with Drs 7tenth on kemmel straight for an overtake... But it's not so ,it was like the slipstream plus Drs isn't working at all.
Toto’s facial expressions and reaction to George Russell crossing the line and supposedly "winning" the Belgian GP was a tell tale sign that Toto knew that win was illegal
Im pretty sure all the drivers came straight into the pit lane and didn’t do a parade lap or cool down lap, so they couldn’t get pick up from the marbles to add weight to the car especially since hamilton and piastri were right on the back of him
He wasn't just a couple of kg below the other cars, he was a couple of kg below the hard minimum. Add the weight ABOVE the minumum that all the other cars were running and that would be George's true advantage. It's disingenuous to say "but I was just a couple of kgs under"
Surely the teams do their absolute best to get a close to the hard minimum as possible and given we are talking about some the best engineers in the world, then one can assume they get very very close.
Other cars weights don't factor in. Even if he came in at weight, some cars would still be heavier (some still lighter). It based on teh car's parameters, not a line in the sand for the whole paddock.
I don't even like gorj that much but seeing him lose 2 race wins in the same season for things he hasn't done wrong is gut-wrenching. The man lost his first win just like this too. Feel bad for jorg. Edit: the 2nd win was Silverstone where he put it on pole and was faster than Ham before his car died.
It would’ve been funny if Piastri had managed to pass Hamilton on the last few laps and therefore inherited the win after the DQ. It would’ve made a back-to-back underwhelming first two GP wins.
George was faster in the straights because he has a lighter skinny wing set up and Hamilton has more balanced > downforce focused set-up... This made Lewis faster in corners and George in the straights... 2 kgs of lesser load will make a difference but just that will not be this drastic..
This is now TWO races the engineers have ruined for Russell, if talks of sabotage against Hamilton were simply whispers, I'd say sabotage against Russell is most definitely a certainty. I don't like Russell one bit, but to have him lose what were effectively two certain wins after a couple of Hamiltards caused Toto to call the police is really quite alarming and absolutely not an accident.
Who else noticed that Scrutineering official standing behind Toto in one of the Mercedes garage panning shots during the TV coverage? I had a suspicion then that something might be up with one of the Mercs. Shame since George did so well. Gutted for him.
He wasnt driving illigally. The change of strategy mid race gave him the top finish but also shaved his tires too much. I remember a while ago that tires can lose up to 2kg of rubber each on a long stint@@rotrohan
i did. It was a white guy who looks like in his mid twenties. I could be wrong though, he was shown on TV for about 1.5s in the background. I was wondering why a scrutineering personnel would be standing in that position next to Toto, which isn't normal. Toto is normally surrounded by other Merc staff, or Mick Schumacher.
The rules are not fair on drivers here. Russell should keep his win and point, with a warning that any future rules infringement will enforce a 2 race ban in the current year. However the team should loose both cars constructors points, and also a hefty cash penalty, like a fine of 10 or 20 million euros. As the garage side did the dirty they should get penalised not the driver.
One of the things this GP showed us is that having a large group of cars close in racepace doesn't always mean exciting racing. The like the lack of overspeed left all drivers stuck in position, I even doubt if Piastri would have been able to pass Lewis if he'd had two more laps.
If Verstappen started on pole, does anyone really question if he would have won? He moved from 11th to 4th. Perez went from 2nd and 7th. The DRS train killed his chance, but I didn’t think he really had a shot from 11th. He made it up to 8th pretty quickly, which gave me hope (but again DRS train). Hardly had clean air the entire race.
I think he could’ve had a slight chance if Perez didn’t give George a tow and then hold max back instead of letting max challenge George on fresh tires.
As McLaren continued their great form of pretty poor tactical decision making which would help, maybe. But it does seem like both Mercades and McLaren had faster cars on the Sunday - so it would be a challenge to keep all 4 of them behind though the pitstops - I would think Vestappen would be undercut by one or more of them or be at a severe tyre disadvantage at some point. Though as RB tend to get the tactics right and Perez was for once not starting so far behind as to be tactically of no great use, so its certainly possible he could have.
Clean air was king as Oscar put it. Those who managed to lead found a lot of extra pace, and considering Mercedes were the one’s who led the most, it’s no wonder they scored a short lived 1-2.
Here's my question, because something similar came up last year with disqualification (McLaren fan here, I'll take the extra points this weekend) - do they inspect every car after every race to the same specs? You shouldn't only weigh the podiums because each point matters, and if an inspection is going to result in a disqualification they need to inspect every car in the same way after every race so it's consistent.
It sucks for things to be decided this way, but based on how close Hamilton was at the end, it's possible that the 5 lbs diffrence in weight actually made a difference, I don't know...maybe...
The lie hear is that Russell came up with the idea of a one stop. They just wanted Russell to take responsibility for the decision and it was their idea to wash down Lewis's efforts
Wait so what happens to other people in this situation that maybe didn't cash out? And the guys that lost money? Do they gain now? Lol genuinely curious 😅
Why don't they weigh the vehicles BEFORE the race with an empty tank? This would eliminate the shock/surprise when they weigh the vehicle AFTER the race when fluids are drained. Also, are tires included in the weight? Because if they are included, then the degraded tires could have weighed less compared to if he had pitted a 2nd time.
tsres are included and it's probably the reason George was DSQ. That's also the reason for the famous "make sure you pick up some rubber" radios after the race
@@billygoat520the pr it gets before the downfall. I would have done that too. Even if they do, Toto can’t realistically stop russel from racing Hamilton, apart from telling the truth thru the radio. Which brings another set of problems
Setting aside this disqualification controversy, Russel drove a beautiful race something similar to Sainz's unbelievably breathtaking win in Singapore last year and Max's Miami race year before last. He rightfully earned the respect of fans and entire F1 fraternity. Beautifully driven and what made it more spectacular is that it was his call for one stop which reflects the fact he drove a wonderfully measured race. - Regards A Max Verstappen Fan.
@@joeterzio71750.03 seconds per lap.Even if its just last 10 laps offset it would be 0.2-0.3 seconds off the pace meaning that would have made a whole lot of difference.
Probably additional dead weight that teams are allowed to add to deal with differences in drivers' weights. I'm guessing that they screwed something up in either weighing Russell himself or putting the extra 1.5 kg.
I mean, again, by the time Lewis was called in for a second stop, they knew the one stop would work, and could have had Lewis stay out too. My guy even said the tires were fine literally one lap before he was called into the pits to respond to LeClerc, who hasn't been a real threat since Monaco, so yeah, it feels like Mercedes got in his way to give George a shot. You've also got so many people working on these cars, so it's hard to see how they didn't know it'd be underweight. This all just kinda reeks of dirty business at Mercedes.
No, merc did not believe that 1stop was better.. even w 10laps remaining, they asked george if he is sure about the 1 stop,, and george did this strategy only because he had nothing to lose, he was anyways expecting to finish around p5.. this was not some Stroke of genius that everyone is thinking.. basically the track fooled everyone and those who put bet on clean air rather than undercutting their opponents, were the beneficiaries..
Thats actually an interesting theory. lol. 1.5kg is only 3.3lbs, and I could see that much and more being picked up in rubber chunks easily from what I have seen on tires normally.
In a sport where teams spend millions to shed just a few grams, there is no such thing as a 1.5 kilogram "honest mistake", there just isn't. Mercedes cheated, they gambled, they got found out, they faced the consesquences. That's it, now let's move on to the next race.
Hell nah wtf. Nobody deserves a win in F1. George did 3/4 of the race on one set of tyres he easily did the most heroic drive. 1.5kg adds up to 0.03 sec per lap why mfs thing he had like a second of pace on ham because of it.
Can anyone please confirm - often in final races the winner/world champion celebrates by pulling off car donuts and burnouts. Wouldn’t doing so seriously risk disqualification if it means the tires rapidly wear out and the car may therefore come in underweight?
From the way Russel car was exiting from chicane and La source with 30 laps old tires it was clear that something fishy was up with that car , it's simply not possible to have such a gap in performance when only accounting the drivers skills.
1.5kg of weight is maybe worth a tenth over a lap at Spa, I doubt it was the only thing making the difference. The hards were a lot better than anyone expected
1.5 kilos is worth 0.03 seconds over an entire race lap. For sure, it had his influence over the race, but it's not what made Russell exit the corners so quickly.
Everyone's talking about Russell's 'tyre whisperer' status but haven't put 2+2 together that he was 1.5kg underweight, hence the improved wear. If he had been at the correct weight there's no way he'd have only taken one stop and therefore won that race.
He left mclaren when they were competing for wins while Mercedes was 5th in the championship, I don't think he had much of choice when choosing to stay or leave.
Yes, but to be fair he made the choice without knowing much. And on the first races his decision looked bang on. So kudos to him for not waiting to see who was better, he just did it and that's it.
One does wonder if he just lost 1.5 kg of rubber on that strategy, that they did not factor in to the car weight? Apparently an average, an F1 car can lose about 1 to 1.5 kg of rubber per set of tires during a race. Since F1 cars typically change tires 1-3 times during a race, the total rubber loss can range from around 3 to 6 kg over the course of a race. This includes the rubber that is worn off the tires and deposited as "marbles" on the track. Some drivers are apparently asked to pick up marbles, by driving around the edges of the track, if they are deemed to be underweight by the team. Seems like the one stop strategy was an impromptu decision, so it seems like they didn't factor in the lower weight that could result in at the end of the race. Seems like a fundamental team strategy error that simply got overlooked until too late.
It's good that he is learning his lesson in the most brutal and humiliating way. Deserves it for his arrogance. He needs to realise that the car may be fastest, but the driver needs to have the skill to extract everything from the car, which he doesn't seem to have.
Suspicious on lap 44 when Hamilton, who is on tires 16 laps newer than Russell, asks on the radio: "How fast should I be? Can I attack Russell or not?" And the team responds: "Come closer, just come closer"... Phew, they can't find a way to put Russell ahead of Hamilton. Lewis visibly upset. He was clearly able to overtake Russell but never attacked him, he just stayed behind in the DRS zone, losing time and Piastri almost took the position away from him.
I feel like Toto wants Russell gone, and also wants to make Hamilton hurt for leaving for Ferrari. This was a strategy to achieve both these objectives in one race. He’s a devious man.
@@christopherortiz9330maybe, but he’s been known to act like this. He has a 33% stake in the team. Why do you think Hamilton decided to leave? I don’t even like Lewis but I think this is what was actually going on.
i doubt he'd want to drive Russell out cause who'd replace him. As much as he's all over Max that's not happening and everyone else like Sainz is a downgrade imo. If they wanted him gone they wouldn't be bothering with upgrades this year and all focus on 2025's car with a fresh duo
for me it was clear that mercedes lean toward russel at all cost, for me as lewis fan, its ok and its understanable as long they are not messing with lewis car setup or anything like that,, but it will be better if toto sit on the table with lewis and say to lewis that from now on george is their favorable driver.. but i dont think toto would have any courage to say that to lewis,,
Gutted for George but still happy for Hamilton. At the latter’s post race interview, he looked like he had been robbed of the top podium win. Looking forward to the next race. 🎉
Does anyone understand why Red Bull had Pérez stop the second time after just nine laps with the second medium tires? He then had to nurse one set of hards until the penultimate lap when he got soft tires to obtain the fastest lap point.
@@quentinhirschfeld9382 No bruh he was holding his own vs Russell and would have most likely finished top 5. It was just unfortunate for him to just be giving George the tow and drs.
Because they only care about Pérez when they need him, like Max having a penalty and they need him to lock a front row. Soon they clear that is back to the standard "oh we have a second driver? lol" MO ever since Ricciardo left the team. In this race we all saw how they just gave him the weirdest strategy and pitted him when Max was behind so he doesn't bother their golden boy.
No wonder Toto didn't have the slightest bit of happiness when George crossed the finished line. He knew one of his engineers fucked up George's car.
Ahar so it isn't just me who noticed this!
@@BenTrem42yeah my wife noticed it too. I didn't think much of it at the time.
He was very short with his answers in the post race interview as well
No he was surprised that Russell called the one stop and beat his golden boy...... he was so subdued and Sir Nars O' Sist was sour as could be in the cool down room.
If he knew why didn't he say or do anything about it
Toto had a straight face when GR crossed the finished line. I think he already knew it but didn't want to spoil the moment for GR. that was so unfortunate
Yeah he knew. I mean they have 100's of people monitoring the car all race, every little detail is measured. The plan was to get the car weighed WITH fuel still in it but that back fired. IMO the whole MERC team should be DQ'd just for that.
Another tough day for Osama Bin Russell....you're right, they absolutely knew. FIA usually pulls the top cars for inspection, dont know how Toto thought they'd get away with it.
*Bag of Sugar !*
@@coreytrevor3910 eh? FIA weigh the car empty.
@@coreytrevor3910 I do seem to recall Merc fans calling Redbull "Cheatbull" how the turn tables.
Toto definitely kicked someone’s ass after the race
No blame culture
they knew ! just watch his dead reaction after the 1-2.
Toto knew!
@@BobbyDazzler888 Yeah but makes no sense that he knew before the race started. P1/P2 finish is gold for Mercedes.
I doubt it Toto was complicit in this sabotage! Louis Hamilton asked for the one stop and they gave it to George Russell instead
1.5kg is WILD. Thats a lot of weight by F1 standards honestly
Some other notes here: Robert Kubica at the Hungaroring in 2006 was the last driver who had been disqualified via an underweight chassis, so this was quite a serious blunder.
As to why an underweight car matters, not only does the weight difference mean that he would gain time over his opposition, it would've also meant the amount of wear on the tyres would be reduced, which might've contributed to Russell's one-stopper working out so well to finish 1st on the road.
Can you calculate, in SPA laps, how many laps did the 1.5 kilos lighter car gained, in terms of tires wear? In other words, do you really think that 1.5 kilos less made the difference between one stop and two stops, for tires change? In reality, it didn't made much difference, George did win by himself. That 1.5 kilos came from a wrong fuel quantity calculations, or from a slightly high consumption. As many said, some engineers made a mistake. But rules are rules, and he was disqualified.
@@1zanglang The fuel isn't a factor, the cars are supposed to be fully drained of fuel before being weighed. The car itself was 1.5kg too light, and yes it will have made a difference. 1kg is often cited to equate to roughly a tenth of a second per lap, so George will have been unfairly gaining time since the very start of the race and the lighter car will definitely have reduced his tyre wear and contributed to his ability to manage the tyres as long as he did. If his car was legal, his tyre wear would have been higher and he'd have lost about 4 seconds (more once you factor in his higher tyre wear) over the course of the race, meaning Lewis and probably Oscar as well would have most likely passed him.
Yeah is making different
Why do you think so many teams dont have paints
@@1zanglang The car weight limit is without fuel. I checked the regulation and the FIA document. A minimum of 1 liter must remain in the tank for testing, the document states this regulation was fulfilled as 2.8 liters were drained. The car was then weighed again, fuel fully drained. That's the weight that matters, and it means the car was underweight for the whole race as it had lost no parts due to damage.
As for how much of a difference it would have made, I don't think anyone can claim to genuinely know. Personally, I'm in the "seems really unlikely to have mattered" camp. It would have made miniscule difference to lap time and tire wear. The margins were not that thin from what I remember. The tires were still holding on fine, plenty of traction and the car did not look slippery, so it seems unlikely that carrying that extra weight would have pushed them off the cliff. But there's no getting away from the fact it would have had _some_ effect, and rules are rules.
@@1zanglang Are u a new F1 fan? F1 is well know for how small seemingly insignificant details make a huge difference.
Hamilton was upset because his team didn't tell him that George wasn't pitting and he was way back told to be racing Piastri and Leclerc.
Exactly, otherwise he would have caught up with George much much earlier. He was just managing his tyres.
You think so do you....... I'm not sure if you paid any attention to Toto at the end of the race his lack of expression tells me that both cars probably highly out of spec!
lewis was uppset the world would see he cannot beat rusell
@@KitchenPlatformhe was literally told he was free to push. He also knew from his earlier stints that the tires would easily last.
@@daarom3472He was never told that George was on a one stopper. He had no reason to push harder when he was comfortable controlling the pace upfront
Bizarre lack of attention to detail by Mercedes. Would they have assumed they could gain that by picking up rubber at the end?
Toto wanted to sneak this by the FIA. I think he wanted to set this up for Lewis. Didn’t expect George to capitalize on the strategy.
In Belgium because the track is so long, they just turn straight into the pit exit so there really isnt an oppportunity to do so
I am seriously starting to think that Russell did not lift and coast enough especially since he did not have the 2nd pit stop
@@JCDenton95 Absurd. A 1-2 would put them in for the constructors.
@@ramborigs missed the point of my comment. Toto wanted Lewis to be embarrassed, not George. If it was Lewis on the 1 followed by George he’d have been satisfied. He hates Hammo leaving and wants him to hurt. Thanks for the personal attack though.
George - “We couldn’t even of dreamt of a 1-2 this morning”
FIA - “Wasn’t part of the script mate”
That probably explains the 2 things I was thinking about:
1) Toto had a deadpan expression after Russell crossed the finish line
2) How Russell managed to keep Hamilton behind...I guess he was using more fuel to do just that, as well as having a lighter car, otherwise Hamilton would've got past him a lot sooner & easily
I'd assume Russell's total weight of Driver / car was still heavier than Hamilton's considering the weight difference in the driver's.
@@Moray2023 minimum weight includes the driver
@@Moray2023 stop assuming
@@liveandletdie138 Russell is definitely over 80kg though
Does 1.5kg really have that much of an impact when they weigh 1 tonne anyway?
I’m not sure what Scott has against Piastri, he made up 3 places and says a near miss but Norris dropped multiple places but doesn’t mention how that’s going effect his championship charge
He's not british
Totally, Oscar quietly getting the job done
Because he threw away 2 seconds in the pit lane
Damn... That explains why Toto was stone-faced when George crossed the line.
One of the funnier things about the Red Bull result is that Perez being up the field for once meant he constantly slowed Verstappen by providing DRS to Verstappen's rivals.
That is brutal for George, but thems the rules...
Losers will be losers.
It seems like people don’t realise how being 1.5 KG less than everybody significantly affects the overall performance of the car. Seeing comments here and there saying that the FIA makes a big deal out of this and it is unfair.. Just to clarify, this amount of weight removed makes the car about 0,15 to 0,20 seconds quicker than everyone else’s pace per lap. That translates roughly being 6-7 seconds faster due to less weight in 44 laps. If you add those seconds on Russell’s race, he would be in 4th or 5th place at the end, which would make a lot more sense with that bold strategy move. Tsunoda and Magnussen also followed a one stop strategy but their outcome was nowhere near as successful as Russell’s race. So yeah the DNF is absolutely justified. F1 has very small margins, and not being disqualified would be borderline unfair for the rest of the grid.
remember DR got disqualified for fuel flow being over the max for point of a second, the rules are rules if you are over you are out
Inmy oppinion if its 1 oz or 20 lb it shouldn't be light and the amount he was under is unforgivable.
That's right, it may not seem much, but it accumulates. Even if it was 0.5 kg, it's still a disqualification, rules are rules, what's with this unfair nonsense.
Well yeah, but since the loss of weight is being attributed to the loss of rubber from his tyres, he will only have been underweight from the point of around when his second pitstop would have been, so only a third of the race. Still shouldn't have won, and still should have been DQ'd, but let's not get carried away.
What the hell are you talking about...
The accepted rule of thumb is 0.3 seconds per 10kg. Meaning 1.5kg gains him about 0.045 seconds per lap, meaning 1.98 seconds over the race.
Rules are rules, but let's be realistic here
I like this new narrator on the channel. Not too loud, doesn't take gasping breaths every 5 seconds, cool calm speaking. Nice.
Finding it odd that so many are proclaiming Russell's race as some kind of 'mega drive' - he was absolutely nowhere for 2/3's of it and had nothing to lose by gambling on a 1 stop and throwing a double 6. And every driver on the grid has remarked that the tyres didn't degrade anywhere near what everyone expected them to which makes a mockery of suddenly anointing him as the 'tyre whisperer'. Not to mention he was driving a car a couple of kg's underweight which is a huge advantage around a circuit like Spa where you're on full throttle for 70% of the lap. It turned out track position was key and he was handed it in strategy to the detriment of his team mate who had earned it on merit.
Finally,A sensible comment
This. And the only thing George whispers to the tyres is "I'm going to cook you"
I think clean air played a lot as well, had he one-stopped but been behind other cars, it may have turned out differently
Mega drive or not, still beat the rest of the grid.🤷🏻♂️ No matter what excuses people make, a win means you are fastest to the flag. Too bad his team let him down with the equipment, same as silverstone.
@@NWA_1919 Unfortunately that statement holds no value now though, cus there's no way to tell whether his mega drive was due to skill or him being underweight.
I don't know why everyone says, OMG Russell was so good, guys he was underweight the whole race and 1,5KG is like 2-2,5 sec over the whole race distance, he also had an advantage on the straits, I think if he was on normal weight Hamilton and Piastri would have catched him, of course incredible tier managed but we have to acknowledge the little bit of help he had.
Nope, mediocre tyre management, he had clear air, lighter car also meant it was better on the tyres, and tyres didn't degrade half as much as everyone expected so in that case he did just fine
No ones gonna mention how the team told the FIA that they drained the fuel when in fact that had not.
I know right? It seems they F1 wants Lewis gone but he moves the needle. I can't wait for 2025, wither he wins or not. Mec doesn't deserve him.
@@JosephRossRoss Merc wanted him. he didn't why tf you talking like he was dropped.
@@JosephRossRoss This isn't reality. You have made this narrative up in your head.
@@erdemeebilgee3584Mercedes did NOT offer Lewis a 3 year contract like Ferrari did.
@@Alumnikiid would you? George was doing better then Lewis for all of 22 and 23. Merc's new #1 driver is George and has been. Keeping Lewis on for however long he wants to keep racing hurts the team overall.
Hamilton's win isn't a shock - another few laps and the race was his. What is a shock is Mercedes making such a basic weight error.
they said it was because of the rain they could not run with the hard tyres. Just like they said because of the Sprint race in COTA they could not antecipate how bumpy the track was.
They have been making plenty of dumb mistakes here and there for years.
Couple more laps and it would been Oscar's
@@joshuathurgood6120 not if Hamilton went past Russell
@@joshuathurgood6120 how in the world do you think he would pass
hamilton couldn't pass while being way faster
If we’re going to pretend, let’s give Piastri two seconds back for his pit braking error. He would have caught Hamilton for second and advanced to the top step.
If u told me in Bahrain that Mercedes would be serial winners again I wouldn't have believed you
true, didnt look like race winners the whole weekend either but they turned the car around overnight
Merc is doing this year, what McLaren was doing last year.
I’m a huge Lewis fan. I also would never have believed you. I still don’t really believe it!
I’d say not only in Bahrain but 5 races in after China, Mercedes looked pretty bleak (aside from maybe Hamilton’s P2 on that sprint). No one would’ve believed that Mercedes was going to be winning multiple races after just 5 grand prix
I have a feeling Russel was able to hold Lewis at bay till the end on a older tire is due to the car being significantly underweight. Lewis once said he would lose 2 second over a race distance with just 1KG added weight. Clearly Russel got help in that regard.
Considering 1.5 kg roughly equals 0.15 seconds of lap time, it doesn't surprise me that much that George was able to hold off Lewis. Still sad, he did a good job preserving the tires.
George was running lower downforce setup than Lewis and George had higher top speeds on straights than Lewis (7kph)
1?.5 kilos is 0.03 over one lap, as 10 kilos is worth 3 tenths.
@@quentinhirschfeld9382 What Lewis said it's something like 3 seconds for whole duration of the race, it's still gain
The car was not 1.5 kg lighter the whole race, it was tire deg...... Russell won this race and it was gifted to Hamilton. He held him off with 36 lap old tires.....
@@TheSlowoldman how does that even make sense? No one one stopped because it was a dumb strategy - russel didn't do anything impressive at all. The logic here is baffling. Hamilton beat a redbull and a ferrari - russell did absolutely nothing but save on a stop and drive light.
The fact Leclerc ended up third shows Spa was basically transformed into a Monaco style circuit in terms of lack of overtaking. Great work FIA!
It was pretty odd how hard it was for drivers to overtake on kemmel with a 0.5s gap, that should be super easy with DRS
@@ThePancaked1it was commented elsewhere that the drs zone had been shortened to reduce the drs effect.
Love how we kept out the fact that the 1stop was the optional plan for lewis and the prefered one for him but even when he said that his tires were still good, he never even got the option
Someone forgot that the cars don't do a cool down lap after this race but rather go directly back up the pit lane. No chance to pick up rubber.
You think they'd be able to pick up 1.5kg?
@@Cataclysm1Spa is pretty long so potentially he could've picked up 2kg or more. Unfortunately because it's so long they go straight to pits instead of the cool down lap.
Aren't they weighted without tyres?
@@Cataclysm1 This chad @mkgunnells2987 doesn't have a clue of what he's writing about. He just saw the same comment written somewhere else and came here to paste it.
@@PyleHD They are weighed with dry-weather tires. If they aren't fitted with a dry-weather tire, the FIA selects a pair to be installed and then weigh the car. Based on this, IF they already have dry-weather tires, they won't replace them and the added weight from the rubber pickup would be included.
Summer break be like: Hey Toto, It's Max...
Max will be stuck with rb unless he wants to be on a midfield team. McLaren and Ferrari are locked up, and Merc seems set on bringing in Antonelli as he's shown great potential in f2 lately and I highly doubt they remove George and make Max Antonelli's teammate when Max will fuck with his development as a young driver.
@@adamdavis4928Toto said that kimi antonelli is for now decided, but BUT if Verstappen wanted to move to Mercedes he will have a seat for him(aka antonelli's one) and that is until the start of next season. He said that multiple times, and when he said that at the start of the season everyone laughed, but race after race it is becoming more and more possible 😃 We can only wait and see. I also don't really like the idea of Kimi in a F1 when he is struggling to be a midfield driver at best in F2. He needs more time, but I guess we the normal fans don't know everything.
I wonder if max would accept to be in a team that doesn't have a number 1 and number 2 driver and would he be OK if russell and the team made different strategies and he didn't even know 😂
@@Artemesis kimi is doing fine. Bearman is terrible in F2 but he’s shown that he’s capable in F1
I disagree that Piastri could have won the race. Hamilton had 8 tenths delta and could not get past Russel. Piastri had similar pace to Hamilton, maybe a tenth faster. It seems inconceivable that with kind of delta over Hamilton, he could have actually overtaken him to win.
You sound like you didn't even see the race. Norris has more delta than max but still couldn't pass . Spa is the new Monaco.
@@johnayomide4793 and Max had a similar delta on Leclerc, but couldn't pass him, either. I wonder what things would've been like had the FIA not shortened the DRS zone by 75m for this year's race
@@halofreak1990 Exactly people be thinking it's all you can overtake buffet. No it not. Spa was suppose to be the easiest track to overtake has it's being in the past but it kinda like Monza now. Lewis should be gaining 2tenth on Russell slipstream up raddion and with Drs 7tenth on kemmel straight for an overtake... But it's not so ,it was like the slipstream plus Drs isn't working at all.
Piastri said himself that the dirty air was a HUGE hinderance. More than they expected here.
Toto’s facial expressions and reaction to George Russell crossing the line and supposedly "winning" the Belgian GP was a tell tale sign that Toto knew that win was illegal
How much does tire pickup weigh? : The F1 community needs to know!
Even if it was the reason, mercedes knew this from the beginning of the race so they should have anticipated it.
Im pretty sure all the drivers came straight into the pit lane and didn’t do a parade lap or cool down lap, so they couldn’t get pick up from the marbles to add weight to the car especially since hamilton and piastri were right on the back of him
That's why they left 2.5 liters in, hoping he wouldn't be one of the 3 cars that get picked for random checks.
We do need that knowledge though
400-500 gr x tire
This seems to be the only informative and honest F1 page, most of the others I click on are just click-bait
He wasn't just a couple of kg below the other cars, he was a couple of kg below the hard minimum. Add the weight ABOVE the minumum that all the other cars were running and that would be George's true advantage. It's disingenuous to say "but I was just a couple of kgs under"
Surely the teams do their absolute best to get a close to the hard minimum as possible and given we are talking about some the best engineers in the world, then one can assume they get very very close.
The hard Minimum is the minimum.
No one wants to be even a gram above it.
Other cars weights don't factor in. Even if he came in at weight, some cars would still be heavier (some still lighter). It based on teh car's parameters, not a line in the sand for the whole paddock.
I am not a fan of Russell but I feel for him after a great drive then this happens.. Take heart George you were great out there. 👍👍🙏
I don't even like gorj that much but seeing him lose 2 race wins in the same season for things he hasn't done wrong is gut-wrenching. The man lost his first win just like this too. Feel bad for jorg.
Edit: the 2nd win was Silverstone where he put it on pole and was faster than Ham before his car died.
gorj and jorg? Is that Klingon for George?
He did something wrong otherwise he would not have been disqualified.
@lachmack8967 😂😂
What's the 2nd win he lost?
2?
It would’ve been funny if Piastri had managed to pass Hamilton on the last few laps and therefore inherited the win after the DQ. It would’ve made a back-to-back underwhelming first two GP wins.
The up eyebrow from Toto said it all
The videos are soo smooth and crisp
Eng: The car is going to be underweight...
Toto face: hold my 1.5kg bag of tricks, Its only a problem if we get caught!
😂😂this is it
First race live for me as LH fan, he drove brilliantly. Couldn't be happier for the result but sad for GR
Just imagine if Ferrari made this mistake, where are the memes? Where is people telling Mercedes is just an afterimage of its legacy? I’ll wait
Toto was not ecstatic after russel crossed the line. It’s as if he knew something was very wrong. Another W for Hamilton. Bang.
Lewis had pace because he's Lewis. George however was underweight so of course he was fast.
You have no idea what your are watching...
George was faster in the straights because he has a lighter skinny wing set up and Hamilton has more balanced > downforce focused set-up... This made Lewis faster in corners and George in the straights... 2 kgs of lesser load will make a difference but just that will not be this drastic..
This is now TWO races the engineers have ruined for Russell, if talks of sabotage against Hamilton were simply whispers, I'd say sabotage against Russell is most definitely a certainty. I don't like Russell one bit, but to have him lose what were effectively two certain wins after a couple of Hamiltards caused Toto to call the police is really quite alarming and absolutely not an accident.
Who else noticed that Scrutineering official standing behind Toto in one of the Mercedes garage panning shots during the TV coverage? I had a suspicion then that something might be up with one of the Mercs. Shame since George did so well. Gutted for him.
George didn’t do well at all. lol. Was zero to start with and ended with 0 points driving illegally.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
yeah he was there in qualy too
They are always around
He wasnt driving illigally. The change of strategy mid race gave him the top finish but also shaved his tires too much. I remember a while ago that tires can lose up to 2kg of rubber each on a long stint@@rotrohan
i did. It was a white guy who looks like in his mid twenties. I could be wrong though, he was shown on TV for about 1.5s in the background. I was wondering why a scrutineering personnel would be standing in that position next to Toto, which isn't normal. Toto is normally surrounded by other Merc staff, or Mick Schumacher.
The rules are not fair on drivers here. Russell should keep his win and point, with a warning that any future rules infringement will enforce a 2 race ban in the current year. However the team should loose both cars constructors points, and also a hefty cash penalty, like a fine of 10 or 20 million euros. As the garage side did the dirty they should get penalised not the driver.
One of the things this GP showed us is that having a large group of cars close in racepace doesn't always mean exciting racing. The like the lack of overspeed left all drivers stuck in position, I even doubt if Piastri would have been able to pass Lewis if he'd had two more laps.
If Verstappen started on pole, does anyone really question if he would have won? He moved from 11th to 4th. Perez went from 2nd and 7th. The DRS train killed his chance, but I didn’t think he really had a shot from 11th. He made it up to 8th pretty quickly, which gave me hope (but again DRS train). Hardly had clean air the entire race.
I think he could’ve had a slight chance if Perez didn’t give George a tow and then hold max back instead of letting max challenge George on fresh tires.
if my mom had balls she would have been my dad.
No max would have run away with the win easily
@@jshumphress13 if if if
As McLaren continued their great form of pretty poor tactical decision making which would help, maybe. But it does seem like both Mercades and McLaren had faster cars on the Sunday - so it would be a challenge to keep all 4 of them behind though the pitstops - I would think Vestappen would be undercut by one or more of them or be at a severe tyre disadvantage at some point. Though as RB tend to get the tactics right and Perez was for once not starting so far behind as to be tactically of no great use, so its certainly possible he could have.
Clean air was king as Oscar put it. Those who managed to lead found a lot of extra pace, and considering Mercedes were the one’s who led the most, it’s no wonder they scored a short lived 1-2.
I'm so sad for George, he was so happy when he crossed the line and the Mercedes being top 2
But he cheated.
Here's my question, because something similar came up last year with disqualification (McLaren fan here, I'll take the extra points this weekend) - do they inspect every car after every race to the same specs? You shouldn't only weigh the podiums because each point matters, and if an inspection is going to result in a disqualification they need to inspect every car in the same way after every race so it's consistent.
It sucks for things to be decided this way, but based on how close Hamilton was at the end, it's possible that the 5 lbs diffrence in weight actually made a difference, I don't know...maybe...
I’m a Hamilton fan, but Hamilton’s complaining after the race and implying that he was screwed by the team sucked.
The lie hear is that Russell came up with the idea of a one stop. They just wanted Russell to take responsibility for the decision and it was their idea to wash down Lewis's efforts
the explanations on 4ra are so clear. even newbies can start easily now.
Sorry but I had a bet on GR. As soon as they started talking about him being under weight I cashed out and got my money 😎
Qualified P6 P3 = ez GR63
same here. Soon as the payout came, i withdrew and gtfo. Mine came before any of the investigations however
Wait so what happens to other people in this situation that maybe didn't cash out? And the guys that lost money? Do they gain now? Lol genuinely curious 😅
QR@@ajfreshkid
Lol wild. I had Hamilton and was pissed. Just found out about this now. Cheers mate 🍻
Why don't they weigh the vehicles BEFORE the race with an empty tank? This would eliminate the shock/surprise when they weigh the vehicle AFTER the race when fluids are drained. Also, are tires included in the weight? Because if they are included, then the degraded tires could have weighed less compared to if he had pitted a 2nd time.
tsres are included and it's probably the reason George was DSQ. That's also the reason for the famous "make sure you pick up some rubber" radios after the race
That's why Russell's car so weird 😅
No, J.D. Vance is weird, Russel's car was under weight. Wolf certainly knew but why did he allow the car to race that way?
@@billygoat520the pr it gets before the downfall. I would have done that too.
Even if they do, Toto can’t realistically stop russel from racing Hamilton, apart from telling the truth thru the radio. Which brings another set of problems
Weird??
1.5 kgs is a lot for a formula1 car..quicker in the corners ...
@@billygoat520🤦
Setting aside this disqualification controversy, Russel drove a beautiful race something similar to Sainz's unbelievably breathtaking win in Singapore last year and Max's Miami race year before last.
He rightfully earned the respect of fans and entire F1 fraternity.
Beautifully driven and what made it more spectacular is that it was his call for one stop which reflects the fact he drove a wonderfully measured race.
- Regards
A Max Verstappen Fan.
"Simplify, then add lightness" - Colin Chapman
Then get disqualified - FIA 😅
This commentator should voice all your videos, so charismatic :) 10/10 voiceover
1.5. Kgs is a significant weight on an F1 car … what was missing from the car vs Hamilton’s car ?
The man did 3/4 of the goddamn race on one set ofcource they are gonna weight less than a set that only did 1/3
It's 3 pounds. You think that's significant?
@@joeterzio71750.03 seconds per lap.Even if its just last 10 laps offset it would be 0.2-0.3 seconds off the pace meaning that would have made a whole lot of difference.
@@joeterzio7175in F1 it is significant.
Probably additional dead weight that teams are allowed to add to deal with differences in drivers' weights. I'm guessing that they screwed something up in either weighing Russell himself or putting the extra 1.5 kg.
This was a great race. Shame there had to be some post race nonsense to overshadow it.
I mean, again, by the time Lewis was called in for a second stop, they knew the one stop would work, and could have had Lewis stay out too. My guy even said the tires were fine literally one lap before he was called into the pits to respond to LeClerc, who hasn't been a real threat since Monaco, so yeah, it feels like Mercedes got in his way to give George a shot.
You've also got so many people working on these cars, so it's hard to see how they didn't know it'd be underweight. This all just kinda reeks of dirty business at Mercedes.
No, merc did not believe that 1stop was better.. even w 10laps remaining, they asked george if he is sure about the 1 stop,, and george did this strategy only because he had nothing to lose, he was anyways expecting to finish around p5..
this was not some
Stroke of genius that everyone is thinking.. basically the track fooled everyone and those who put bet on clean air rather than undercutting their opponents, were the beneficiaries..
Merc didn't believe one stop was possible they kept asking George about the tires, and he insisted that they were okay and the one stop is possible
Kudos to the narrator!👏🏼 Looking forward to hearing you more
Perez was pitted too early and his race was gone.
There's also the fact that he's not a good enough driver.
I can’t believe the Drama in this season ! 🔥
I believe minimum weight rule is without tires and fuel. Tire marble pickup would be irrelevant.
Includes tires.
There are no cooldown laps in Spa since like forever, so tire marbles is irrelevant.
Which begs the question, what were Merc thinking?
Would the stewards have checked Russell's car if he finished 2nd?
No tyre rubber pick up because they immediately went into the pits! Usually they drive around and pick up rubber after the race to make weight
Is it FIA doesn't allow? Or just GR forget to do so?
@@squirtle4519Spa too long circuit so they box directly after finish
Thats actually an interesting theory. lol. 1.5kg is only 3.3lbs, and I could see that much and more being picked up in rubber chunks easily from what I have seen on tires normally.
At spa they don’t do that because the lap is so long, they just drive around la source and go right into the pitlane from the exit
And the others cars?
In a sport where teams spend millions to shed just a few grams, there is no such thing as a 1.5 kilogram "honest mistake", there just isn't. Mercedes cheated, they gambled, they got found out, they faced the consesquences. That's it, now let's move on to the next race.
Hamilton deserved the win, still heart breaking for George though.
Hell nah wtf. Nobody deserves a win in F1. George did 3/4 of the race on one set of tyres he easily did the most heroic drive. 1.5kg adds up to 0.03 sec per lap why mfs thing he had like a second of pace on ham because of it.
@@erdemeebilgee3584you think 5 pounds would only give you 0.03 advantage is insane Lewis was faster all race
Can anyone please confirm - often in final races the winner/world champion celebrates by pulling off car donuts and burnouts. Wouldn’t doing so seriously risk disqualification if it means the tires rapidly wear out and the car may therefore come in underweight?
From the way Russel car was exiting from chicane and La source with 30 laps old tires it was clear that something fishy was up with that car , it's simply not possible to have such a gap in performance when only accounting the drivers skills.
1.5kg of weight is maybe worth a tenth over a lap at Spa, I doubt it was the only thing making the difference. The hards were a lot better than anyone expected
1.5 kilos is worth 0.03 seconds over an entire race lap.
For sure, it had his influence over the race, but it's not what made Russell exit the corners so quickly.
1.5 kg is almost nothing over the weight of an 800kg car its only 0.1875 % of the total weight
@WayStedYou Your right but over the course of a whole race that give you something like 2sec. Hamilton lost the race by 0.5 sec...
Everyone's talking about Russell's 'tyre whisperer' status but haven't put 2+2 together that he was 1.5kg underweight, hence the improved wear. If he had been at the correct weight there's no way he'd have only taken one stop and therefore won that race.
Why do we need so many different people narrating this. Feels like a clip show rather than a cohesive video
A guy in the studio and Scott at the track... not the first time they do this.
4RA with Aaron Finch is incredible IPL and 4rabet together is perfect
George earned that dq😂🎉.
Poor George, he did such an amazing job.
Hamilton has got to be sick he's leaving Mercedes as they move up the grid, while Ferrari is going backwards.
Perhaps he just wants to drive for a team like Ferrari before he retires. Don’t overthink it.
Who got pole again? 🐴
He left mclaren when they were competing for wins while Mercedes was 5th in the championship, I don't think he had much of choice when choosing to stay or leave.
Yes, but to be fair he made the choice without knowing much. And on the first races his decision looked bang on. So kudos to him for not waiting to see who was better, he just did it and that's it.
When will people realize Mercedes didn’t offer Lewis a long term contract like Ferrari.
One does wonder if he just lost 1.5 kg of rubber on that strategy, that they did not factor in to the car weight? Apparently an average, an F1 car can lose about 1 to 1.5 kg of rubber per set of tires during a race. Since F1 cars typically change tires 1-3 times during a race, the total rubber loss can range from around 3 to 6 kg over the course of a race. This includes the rubber that is worn off the tires and deposited as "marbles" on the track. Some drivers are apparently asked to pick up marbles, by driving around the edges of the track, if they are deemed to be underweight by the team. Seems like the one stop strategy was an impromptu decision, so it seems like they didn't factor in the lower weight that could result in at the end of the race. Seems like a fundamental team strategy error that simply got overlooked until too late.
Lando “you had a fast car 7 years ago” Norris was in the race today ? Didn’t see him today. Did you guys see that mean girl ?
Oscar outshined Lando, Lando Norris never will be WDC, I wouldn't be surprised if Oscar will be WDC before Norris
It's good that he is learning his lesson in the most brutal and humiliating way. Deserves it for his arrogance. He needs to realise that the car may be fastest, but the driver needs to have the skill to extract everything from the car, which he doesn't seem to have.
Yea that was such an incredibly dick thing to stay for so many reasons.
Nando Lorris was a chicken to challenge Maxipad today
@@gouravghosh588yeah, like the post above, maybe Oscar will be WDC before Lando.
Shortened DRS zone made track position king. That was a huge factor for the race.
This race makes you wonder what other tricks Mercedes has been up to the past two years thats affected Hamilton's results.😡
7:40 is perez on the older spec nose and front wing?
If I recall, he had the new spec last weekend. Don’t know why he would’ve reverted for this race
It is not the first time Russell team makes sure he does not win a race
Where did you get the F1Visualised of the GP???
RFE: State more clearly and earlier DQ because of *_under required weight!!!_*
love how 4ra connects us with cricket stars, feels so authentic! it's like being part of the team.
Suspicious on lap 44 when Hamilton, who is on tires 16 laps newer than Russell, asks on the radio: "How fast should I be? Can I attack Russell or not?" And the team responds: "Come closer, just come closer"... Phew, they can't find a way to put Russell ahead of Hamilton. Lewis visibly upset. He was clearly able to overtake Russell but never attacked him, he just stayed behind in the DRS zone, losing time and Piastri almost took the position away from him.
He was talking about piastri
The full radio message was Lewis asking Bono about Piastri which at the time was battling Leclerc, and was predicted to come close to Lewis at the end
He was talking about Piastri. God you Hamilton fans are blind
This must be the reason for Merc's sudden uptick in form. They're right down at the minimum weight limit when some other teams are not.
I immediately remembered when Hamilton was DQ'd out of 2nd place at Austin in 2023. what's going on!
They add and remove weight to the wheels. If they had done another stop. It would not have been a problem.
I feel like Toto wants Russell gone, and also wants to make Hamilton hurt for leaving for Ferrari. This was a strategy to achieve both these objectives in one race. He’s a devious man.
Just projection by you.
@@christopherortiz9330maybe, but he’s been known to act like this. He has a 33% stake in the team. Why do you think Hamilton decided to leave? I don’t even like Lewis but I think this is what was actually going on.
Wow that's a huge leap
i doubt he'd want to drive Russell out cause who'd replace him. As much as he's all over Max that's not happening and everyone else like Sainz is a downgrade imo. If they wanted him gone they wouldn't be bothering with upgrades this year and all focus on 2025's car with a fresh duo
Why would Toto want Russel gone? To put who in for russel
Finch brings a lot of excitement to 4ra events, I'm loving it all
YOU GOT CAUGHT MERCEDES! Mistake, really?
for me it was clear that mercedes lean toward russel at all cost, for me as lewis fan, its ok and its understanable as long they are not messing with lewis car setup or anything like that,, but it will be better if toto sit on the table with lewis and say to lewis that from now on george is their favorable driver.. but i dont think toto would have any courage to say that to lewis,,
Pleased I'm not the only one who thinks gr is favourite over lewis👍🏴
Gutted for George but still happy for Hamilton. At the latter’s post race interview, he looked like he had been robbed of the top podium win. Looking forward to the next race. 🎉
McLaren's decision to run less wing was inexplicable. They were losing 1.5 or 2 tenths to Max just before the detection zone for the Kemmel DRS
Does anyone understand why Red Bull had Pérez stop the second time after just nine laps with the second medium tires? He then had to nurse one set of hards until the penultimate lap when he got soft tires to obtain the fastest lap point.
Because he was painfully slow, losing an enormous amount of time.
@@quentinhirschfeld9382 No bruh he was holding his own vs Russell and would have most likely finished top 5. It was just unfortunate for him to just be giving George the tow and drs.
Get him out of verstappens way if I remember.
Because they only care about Pérez when they need him, like Max having a penalty and they need him to lock a front row. Soon they clear that is back to the standard "oh we have a second driver? lol" MO ever since Ricciardo left the team.
In this race we all saw how they just gave him the weirdest strategy and pitted him when Max was behind so he doesn't bother their golden boy.
@@quentinhirschfeld9382 Due to a tire problem? I mean, he had back-to-back stops within ten laps.
Due to laps cover on the same set, combined tyre weight (at the end) was no doubt less than would have be expected/calculated.
Was that Checos last effort at resurgence 😢