Thanks a lot to all of you doing videos and sharing knowledge on youtube. It just came to my mind that there is an old philosophy also valid in this case. "A house" is not just an address or a name "it really is the people living there". That philosophy also covers big systems like Facebook and Wordpress. They are not just Facebook and Wordpress. "Facebook are The users", and "Wordpress are The Users".
Very interesting talk here, sad that I missed it. I've never donated to WordPress because I disagree with its development path and where the dev hours go in (quite sure that its Matt who's pushing Gutenberg). If they'd stop working on Gutenberg and start PLANNING to clean up the codebase, redesign the admin dashboard and integrate Custom Post Types into core, I'd be the first one to donate. PS: maybe try to get your talking shares to be about the same
It shouldn't even be a question of you being obliged to contribute. All of what you suggest, and more, is common sense and should have been evident to Matt and WordPress years ago. All this very much stinks of sour grapes, after being complacent and then plucking the Gutenberg team off the shelf, after realising that many third party solutions have outpaced you by setting in place ways to make the platform work better. Whats happening now is the blowback from all this and the fact that things have become institutionalised around Gutenberg and all the beuracuracy that comes with this. It doesn't matter if Gutenburg is a pig in a poke, with enough evangelists to hype its usefulness, the deal is done. It's a pity that is now has gone to the next level of some sort of ideological zeal whereby they are prepared now to shoot down every one perceived to be beyond the pale. In the meantime Matt has had the big investment, can waffle on, and all that jazz, sitting back on his laurals, while the rest of us are left with the whatever falls from the table.
I often feel gaslighted by what comes out of WP leadership, for example "WP is primarily for blogging", but then they are most proud to flaunt enterprise sites/clients. Don't tell me webmasters are wrong for asking a more robust CMS part, when Automattic's money making focus is on enterprise, which I don't blame them for, but then you can't skold smaller businesses for using WP to make money too. Other examples "WP is for everyone", not following their own manifesto etc...
13 min into Matt's video praising Awesome Motive, calling WPEngine grifters.... doesn't Awesome Motive get a lot of criticism for their practices? Can't wait to see what Jonathan Denwood has to say on that one 😂
Can't believe how many vids have been made about this in the last few hours, wonder what all the hosting companies that say "WordPress Hosting" are thinking now? Not sure what will come of this in the long run, but curious if Matt is kicking himself for what has happened?
Well, considering that he (Automattic) have effectively blocked WP Engine customers from accessing the WP Repository, embarked on a campaign at Pressible (owned by Automattic) to pay for WPE users to move to them and several other things, I'd say remorse is pretty low on the agenda.
@@WPTutsto me it sounds like WPEngine actually has a legal case to go after Automattic. Wonder if Matt even realizes what unnecessary problems he's creating for WP, Wix & SquareSpace must be popping some champagne bottles at the moment
An example of a company name abbreviated and being sued. I believe the WWF had to change its name to WWE because they were sued and lost by the World Wildlife Fund. Not exactly the same thing, but a similar example.
Its so disappointing to see so much drama and bad press around WordPress. This is a complete waste of time and energy that could have been put towards building a better WP.
I'm not an Elementor fan, but it's the biggest pagebuilder market, comes packed with some many classic themes on eg ThemeForest. Makes sense to produce courses for that big user base
Never heard Matt speak, first 10 min of his speech, he's projecting this happy benevolent hippieish persona, 11 min in... Keeping the same tone, but turning dark....comes of two-faced imo, creepy to be honest.
I definitely think, as Imran says, that Matt is a bit rattled by things being proposed by KG… and so be it. There is an air of complete disaray, on a wing and a prayer, coming from the core development in some sort of aspiration that it will all just work out, without any logical road map.
Thanks for the great talk. Your comments are spot on. Cheers from Canada.
Thanks a lot to all of you doing videos and sharing knowledge on youtube. It just came to my mind that there is an old philosophy also valid in this case. "A house" is not just an address or a name "it really is the people living there". That philosophy also covers big systems like Facebook and Wordpress. They are not just Facebook and Wordpress. "Facebook are The users", and "Wordpress are The Users".
Very interesting talk here, sad that I missed it. I've never donated to WordPress because I disagree with its development path and where the dev hours go in (quite sure that its Matt who's pushing Gutenberg). If they'd stop working on Gutenberg and start PLANNING to clean up the codebase, redesign the admin dashboard and integrate Custom Post Types into core, I'd be the first one to donate. PS: maybe try to get your talking shares to be about the same
It shouldn't even be a question of you being obliged to contribute. All of what you suggest, and more, is common sense and should have been evident to Matt and WordPress years ago.
All this very much stinks of sour grapes, after being complacent and then plucking the Gutenberg team off the shelf, after realising that many third party solutions have outpaced you by setting in place ways to make the platform work better. Whats happening now is the blowback from all this and the fact that things have become institutionalised around Gutenberg and all the beuracuracy that comes with this. It doesn't matter if Gutenburg is a pig in a poke, with enough evangelists to hype its usefulness, the deal is done. It's a pity that is now has gone to the next level of some sort of ideological zeal whereby they are prepared now to shoot down every one perceived to be beyond the pale.
In the meantime Matt has had the big investment, can waffle on, and all that jazz, sitting back on his laurals, while the rest of us are left with the whatever falls from the table.
WP Engine was a Super Admin sponsor of WordCamp US. The amount required from Super Admin sponsors was $75,000.
Great discussion... This is real talk friends.
missed it...
thanks fellas!
47:30 The GPL is the agreement for us to be able to use it. I don't see how the rules are differnet just because WPE is owned by private equity?
Only 109 likes out of 5.8K views on Matt's WordCamp video, I would like to see the amount of downvotes. Don't think this was a good look for WP.
I often feel gaslighted by what comes out of WP leadership, for example "WP is primarily for blogging", but then they are most proud to flaunt enterprise sites/clients. Don't tell me webmasters are wrong for asking a more robust CMS part, when Automattic's money making focus is on enterprise, which I don't blame them for, but then you can't skold smaller businesses for using WP to make money too. Other examples "WP is for everyone", not following their own manifesto etc...
I can just see Imran sitting down of a Sunday night to watch One Man and his Dog.
I missed this! Good talk here!
Brings up some interesting questions.
And today, Automattic has sent a cease and desist back at Engine. Ultimately, we, the users, will be the losers from Matt's tirade.
We certainly will.
There are the things we know and there are the things we don't know....
13 min into Matt's video praising Awesome Motive, calling WPEngine grifters.... doesn't Awesome Motive get a lot of criticism for their practices? Can't wait to see what Jonathan Denwood has to say on that one 😂
Was it about WP or the words WordPress and WooCommerce in the Service names of WPengine?
Which ist nuts too, because we all do it.
Can't believe how many vids have been made about this in the last few hours, wonder what all the hosting companies that say "WordPress Hosting" are thinking now? Not sure what will come of this in the long run, but curious if Matt is kicking himself for what has happened?
Well, considering that he (Automattic) have effectively blocked WP Engine customers from accessing the WP Repository, embarked on a campaign at Pressible (owned by Automattic) to pay for WPE users to move to them and several other things, I'd say remorse is pretty low on the agenda.
@@WPTutsto me it sounds like WPEngine actually has a legal case to go after Automattic. Wonder if Matt even realizes what unnecessary problems he's creating for WP, Wix & SquareSpace must be popping some champagne bottles at the moment
An example of a company name abbreviated and being sued. I believe the WWF had to change its name to WWE because they were sued and lost by the World Wildlife Fund. Not exactly the same thing, but a similar example.
Its so disappointing to see so much drama and bad press around WordPress. This is a complete waste of time and energy that could have been put towards building a better WP.
An Elementor course? 😂😂😂😂 You can't be serious.
What's the problem with that?
Is probalby selling better than any other page builder course would...
I'm not an Elementor fan, but it's the biggest pagebuilder market, comes packed with some many classic themes on eg ThemeForest. Makes sense to produce courses for that big user base
Never heard Matt speak, first 10 min of his speech, he's projecting this happy benevolent hippieish persona, 11 min in... Keeping the same tone, but turning dark....comes of two-faced imo, creepy to be honest.
I definitely think, as Imran says, that Matt is a bit rattled by things being proposed by KG… and so be it. There is an air of complete disaray, on a wing and a prayer, coming from the core development in some sort of aspiration that it will all just work out, without any logical road map.