That's every WoW lfr(Looking for Raid) ever. Lfr is basically get grouped with randoms who may or may not know what they are doing and people who just afk and do nothing.
I get what Liam is saying. Sometimes you just want everything to be straightforward: everyone does their job, no super MLG strats, teamwork is welcomed and everyone is trying without being stone-cold serious. I also like coming into games and just having a normal match without anyone placing pressure on me, because I make the unreliable-ness a self-fulfilling prophecy. When I feel pressured, I do worse and I DO let everyone down, and since this is a known fact to me, I try my best to avoid it. There are games that I've dropped because the moment you come in you're suddenly the key component of a super intense plan and you can FEEL that they're gonna get _fucking livid_ if and when you fail, and that's just not something I can handle. I've gotten extremely competitive before, but most of the time I prefer to come in and just do my job on the team without having an armchair general micromanaging us.
"Ice Mage" has caught on as my FC's go-to term for any players who let their own personal styles get in the way of actual gameplay. I don't even have to explain the joke because it makes immediate sense to FFXIV players. Also rewatching this right after wiping once on my first Sophia run. Pat's not kidding about that floor tilt.
I had something like an ice Mage yesterday. He would spam fire two, no matter the number of enemies, then spam blizzard two, nowhere near the enemies. He'd just stand there out of mana, wait for enough to cast another spell, and wait there again. I explained how wrong what he was doing was and he wouldn't speak. He'd just randomly pull enemies and do other weird shit. He only spoke near the end, and what was that? "Dude, you're really annoying." Like. What?
To be fair it sounds like you were super annoying lmao. Unless the game itself is telling him to do that you can't really blame him for not listening to some stranger he'll never meet again telling him his playstyle is unoptimized.
@@BonnieBoestar id understand a bit more if we were talking about a singleplayer game, but if you're playing a multiplayer game, especially one that's cooperative where you need to rely on eachother to succeed, someone simply giving you tips and advice isn't weird or annoying. MMOs dont give players inherent guides on how to play classes, they hint at it through mechanics and tooltips but the rest has to be intuition and knowledge gained by the player, or shared by other players around you. it's up to you if you want to _take_ that advice but simply giving it doesn't make you annoying unless you're being a prick about it
Thanks again, Lobster of the Atom! Mann vs Machine in TF2 was my relatable experience with Pat and Woolie about shitty players, (or casual care free players) who wouldn't take gentle polite advice, and would take huge offense to any insistence that things could be done much more efficiently and likely to win manner. And it was always the people under 3-5 tour completions that were the primary offenders. It's the most frustrating shit because 'Jimmy' just wanted to be a shitty sniper/spy (They can be played very well!), or refused to switch off a poorly geared heavy for a needed medic, even if we already have an ideally geared heavy, and it clearly causes the loss every time. But I can also completely relate to Liam too. Lineage II/Guild Wars/Guild Wars 2/Warframe - Being in a group doing some crazy endgame or team PvP stuff makes gets me nervous as hell with a group. Pressure to perform, to not have hardware or connection shit the bed for other people's sake, while following a guide and/or role, while even in some cases maintaining comms when you might not be able to, or want to talk. There's an inherent anxiety involved for some people. Many can come around slowly learning the meta with a friendly supporting group, but it only takes a few shitty experiences to feel discouraged and come away with a bad taste, like Liam or myself. Probably why I also don't care for MOBAs. You can and will be attacked at some point no matter how well you perform, no matter how solo or group minded. Even if you're not 'attacked' you'll still have this idea in your head other people are holding you to standards, even if you had a completely different method in mind. I hate it, I play video games to have fun, not be judged by another. And I equally hate being a burden upon others, so I usually run away like a huge coward - after the round/match/game is finished. *Fuck*
Monster Hunter 4U was the game, where I went the extra mile to be mindful of the people I played with. I don't know if I have the time or energy to tackle Generations.
There's a subreddit called r/monsterhunterclan where people help each other out, and they have a dedicated discord group where you can find good players. They've got guys who play almost literally every monster hunter game.
Rocket League 1v1s are great for the purity. I think of them as a swordfight, where getting the ball into the opponent's goal is basically like getting a raw hit in, with your own ability to control your car skillfully representing the open-endedness of real swordplay. What I'm saying is that Rocket League is my current favorite fighting game until SoulCalibur VI comes out.
Finally ran into THOSE players in FF14. Got all the way through to level 40 dungeons with randoms before I hit them, but had to deal with 2 people bitching about me not tanking well enough when they wouldn't concentrate fire, pulling different enemies in different directions away from me. A-Hole 1: Come on tank, I'm the healer! I'm not supposed to be taking damage. Me: Sorry, everyone is attacking different enemies and I can't pull them all back. (Everyone in the group is ranged) A-Hole 2: Just use Flash more. A-Hole 1: Yeah, just practice more and you'll get it.
yeah, that's something you kind of have to get used to because even if you do the order markers most people don't listen and attack randomly anyways. My tips for tanks is open with your Ranged move. then do into 2 aoes (flash, unleash ...whatever the warrior move is called) then to your combo on the main target then start cycling targets with the individual combo moves (252 Dark Knight)
About THAT player. Welcome to fucking League of Legends. When one player can't or doesn't want to play, the whole team loses. I spent most of my time trying to calm my teammates instead of actually playing the game. I quit when I realized I wasn't enjoying it.
Magnum Lloyd Well, practice makes perfect. Sticking with their Overwatch example, playing Support is hellish when you're first starting out. But, the only way to get over that hump is to just keep at it. I was a absolute garbage Mercy at the start, for example, so I just sat down one day and said "I'm going to learn this character". So, Yeah, feeling unreliable is a legitimate problem, but I personally feel like that feeling is indicative of things that you need to get better at.
am with Liam. I stop playing FF14 when someone told me I suck as a tank, in my 1st try. Got it on day one, stop before the 30 days was up. The same happen with Vinditus. I really liked those games, and miss them.
I totally understand where Liam is coming from, although I'm not that anxious when it comes to people telling me politely what to do. If someone wants me to be a certain class, even if I'm not familiar with that class, I'll tell them that I'm not familiar with it, but I'll choose it. And if they become assholes after I have told them that I'm not good at that class? Then in my mind they were never polite in the first place.
Over twenty minutes and all I got was "Yeah, Elmo's come to save Canada from the dumpsters of America to save our souls and fail at it because he's old as hell."
I can relate to this. I'm terrible at being a tank. like me and my buddy (warrior and white mage) did a 4 man dungeon recently, and 2 dps left because I died... I did learn how to maximize my agro, but I still die cuz I'm not maximizing my cooldowns. FUCK!
to all my FF 14 people I JUST WATCHED A PALADIN NOT USE FLASH EVER! UGH ITS THE WORST. DPS DIE BECAUSE WE WOULF USE ABILITIES THAT HIT OTHERS AND TANK WAS 1V1’ing EVERYTHING!!!
When it comes to fighting games, my only problem is when you do something right like a dodge but still get hit while not occupying the same point in space and time
Overall I think feeling a bit nervous is a good thing in multiplayer games. It means that you do take it seriously and hopefully you want to do your best. There's way too many players that treat multiplayer games that require teamwork as their own personal sandbox where nothing they do matters.
I feel like the vitriol that Pat described towards "THAT player" is generally directed towards people that aren't necessarily trying to fuck it up, but because something happens or the player just isn't that good, they get all of the blame. And that kind of thing pushes away a lot of people that are trying to learn. The most prominent example for me is an Overwatch video where two guys insult a lvl. 40 or 30 player for using Bastion while trying to defend the payload (this was on that map with the castle). After they lost the payload, the guy switched to Reinhardt, at which point the two assholes now bitch at him for switching from Bastion. It was extremely infuriating to watch. Now imagine that kind of attitude from everyone who plays the game seriously/competitively, and they justify it by saying, "They're being THAT player!" That gets to you after a while.
Scorpio The Scorpion sure, but there are two sides here. there's a way to inform someone that they're fucking up, and there's a way to take criticism. if i play bastion in a game mode that's weighted against bastion, what the interaction should go like is this: "uhh, dude? bastion's not a good pick here. you'll want reinhardt or something." "what? oh, alright. i'm only good with bastion, so that may be an issue." "well, gotta learn sometime, right?" what it should not be is "hey, fuck face, never play bastion, what, were you dropped as a child?" "nah, fuck you, i play bastion, if you don't like it, fucking leave." unfortunately, the second tends to be the norm.
What Liam doesn't consider is the players thats doing everything they can. And everyone is looking for Liam to play his part even partially, and they pick up the slack. But if Liam doesn't do anything towards that goal. Then OF COURSE everyone will hate him. The team pooled all their collective effort together to get them so far and all Liam had to do was one thing. They set Liam up and made it as easy as possible for him to pull off his one task. AND HE DOESN'T EVEN BOTHER!? Nah, fuck Liam.
Liam was a shit in this and it was disgusting. Selfish players in team games are the worst. I mean I love and main Mcree but if the team needs something I swap. And lets say I love Genji but I see that Genji won't be useful, I swap right away because I don't have a tiny brain to see it's not working.
neojin you missed what liam was saying. if you go into a match and someone says "you, play genji. no, i don't care, you're playing genji. our plan needs you to play genji.", then that's an issue. he actually said that if the game requires a healer, he's not going to be stubborn and refuse to play healer, he just doesn't like being thrown into a player-made gameplan by a tryhard.
Guns of Icarus in a nutshell. You literally cannot beat the most mediocre teams, if you have just 1 guy thats a derp ass. And I'm the kinda player captain thats able to bullshit my way out of a 2 v 1 and come out on top with average crew (I have 40 videos of the game. Theres video proof somewhere-I can't pin point a particular match out of my 3-4k matches). Have a teammate captain thats a dumbass vs competent enemy pilots. You're going to be out dps-ed and out flown. But even so, its winnable if you got the crew. But have 1 crew member thats a dumbass on top of a dumb teammate (happens too often)? Consider gg. Lost so many dev matches because of those kinda players.
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That's was Liam foreshadowing Superbest friends part 4 twist ending
That elmo origin story reveal at the very last second tho
That part actually gave me whiplash.
Some real "Elmo will return in avengers 6" energy.
Thank god Pat hasn't played real MOBAs, because then he would have learned the asshole line of "But no, just carry harder."
That's every WoW lfr(Looking for Raid) ever. Lfr is basically get grouped with randoms who may or may not know what they are doing and people who just afk and do nothing.
Gghggglgghhhghhh mm the first timehhhhhhhhlhhhhhhghhhhhhhhhhhghhh
Lol, newsflash. He's HARD into League now
How does it feel that in 2020 he's since then played League and now of that.
note4note Like a fine wine
Liam's anxiety issues suddenly make sense
I get what Liam is saying. Sometimes you just want everything to be straightforward: everyone does their job, no super MLG strats, teamwork is welcomed and everyone is trying without being stone-cold serious. I also like coming into games and just having a normal match without anyone placing pressure on me, because I make the unreliable-ness a self-fulfilling prophecy. When I feel pressured, I do worse and I DO let everyone down, and since this is a known fact to me, I try my best to avoid it.
There are games that I've dropped because the moment you come in you're suddenly the key component of a super intense plan and you can FEEL that they're gonna get _fucking livid_ if and when you fail, and that's just not something I can handle. I've gotten extremely competitive before, but most of the time I prefer to come in and just do my job on the team without having an armchair general micromanaging us.
There’s a good chance ur dead but. I tried playing league once..didn’t know what to do. Got raged and screamed at. Until I left. Never sgain
Matt was unusually quiet for that one.
Prbly cause Matt is a casual player where the other 3 tend to be more hardcore. Namely Woolie and Pat. Mat also doesnt seem like the MMO type either
Last Gen Gamers Matt doesn't seem like a lot of things. He's a mystery trapped in a riddle trapped in a cowboy hat.
Holding an alligator
Trapped in the box
Madeline Spook I think never played that game is his life, so...
"Ice Mage" has caught on as my FC's go-to term for any players who let their own personal styles get in the way of actual gameplay. I don't even have to explain the joke because it makes immediate sense to FFXIV players. Also rewatching this right after wiping once on my first Sophia run. Pat's not kidding about that floor tilt.
I had something like an ice Mage yesterday. He would spam fire two, no matter the number of enemies, then spam blizzard two, nowhere near the enemies. He'd just stand there out of mana, wait for enough to cast another spell, and wait there again. I explained how wrong what he was doing was and he wouldn't speak. He'd just randomly pull enemies and do other weird shit. He only spoke near the end, and what was that? "Dude, you're really annoying." Like. What?
To be fair it sounds like you were super annoying lmao. Unless the game itself is telling him to do that you can't really blame him for not listening to some stranger he'll never meet again telling him his playstyle is unoptimized.
@@BonnieBoestar id understand a bit more if we were talking about a singleplayer game, but if you're playing a multiplayer game, especially one that's cooperative where you need to rely on eachother to succeed, someone simply giving you tips and advice isn't weird or annoying. MMOs dont give players inherent guides on how to play classes, they hint at it through mechanics and tooltips but the rest has to be intuition and knowledge gained by the player, or shared by other players around you. it's up to you if you want to _take_ that advice but simply giving it doesn't make you annoying unless you're being a prick about it
You see, there were alt tabbing between that and RuneScape or something
Thanks again, Lobster of the Atom!
Mann vs Machine in TF2 was my relatable experience with Pat and Woolie about shitty players, (or casual care free players) who wouldn't take gentle polite advice, and would take huge offense to any insistence that things could be done much more efficiently and likely to win manner. And it was always the people under 3-5 tour completions that were the primary offenders. It's the most frustrating shit because 'Jimmy' just wanted to be a shitty sniper/spy (They can be played very well!), or refused to switch off a poorly geared heavy for a needed medic, even if we already have an ideally geared heavy, and it clearly causes the loss every time.
But I can also completely relate to Liam too. Lineage II/Guild Wars/Guild Wars 2/Warframe - Being in a group doing some crazy endgame or team PvP stuff makes gets me nervous as hell with a group. Pressure to perform, to not have hardware or connection shit the bed for other people's sake, while following a guide and/or role, while even in some cases maintaining comms when you might not be able to, or want to talk. There's an inherent anxiety involved for some people. Many can come around slowly learning the meta with a friendly supporting group, but it only takes a few shitty experiences to feel discouraged and come away with a bad taste, like Liam or myself.
Probably why I also don't care for MOBAs. You can and will be attacked at some point no matter how well you perform, no matter how solo or group minded. Even if you're not 'attacked' you'll still have this idea in your head other people are holding you to standards, even if you had a completely different method in mind. I hate it, I play video games to have fun, not be judged by another. And I equally hate being a burden upon others, so I usually run away like a huge coward - after the round/match/game is finished. *Fuck*
Monster Hunter 4U was the game, where I went the extra mile to be mindful of the people I played with. I don't know if I have the time or energy to tackle Generations.
There's a subreddit called r/monsterhunterclan where people help each other out, and they have a dedicated discord group where you can find good players. They've got guys who play almost literally every monster hunter game.
Rocket League 1v1s are great for the purity. I think of them as a swordfight, where getting the ball into the opponent's goal is basically like getting a raw hit in, with your own ability to control your car skillfully representing the open-endedness of real swordplay.
What I'm saying is that Rocket League is my current favorite fighting game until SoulCalibur VI comes out.
"I'm not that kind of thief."
We never found out what kind of thief he was, Tempus got him- Apparently when it came to ‘not dying’, he wasn’t that kind of thief.
Finally ran into THOSE players in FF14. Got all the way through to level 40 dungeons with randoms before I hit them, but had to deal with 2 people bitching about me not tanking well enough when they wouldn't concentrate fire, pulling different enemies in different directions away from me.
A-Hole 1: Come on tank, I'm the healer! I'm not supposed to be taking damage.
Me: Sorry, everyone is attacking different enemies and I can't pull them all back. (Everyone in the group is ranged)
A-Hole 2: Just use Flash more.
A-Hole 1: Yeah, just practice more and you'll get it.
yeah, that's something you kind of have to get used to because even if you do the order markers most people don't listen and attack randomly anyways.
My tips for tanks is open with your Ranged move. then do into 2 aoes (flash, unleash ...whatever the warrior move is called) then to your combo on the main target then start cycling targets with the individual combo moves
(252 Dark Knight)
Hanged Man Videos huh. That makes me never wanna play that game ever
this is why i play dps, no expectations beyond "hit it til it dies and don't fuck up"
About THAT player. Welcome to fucking League of Legends. When one player can't or doesn't want to play, the whole team loses. I spent most of my time trying to calm my teammates instead of actually playing the game. I quit when I realized I wasn't enjoying it.
WAIT. HOLD UP. This is the inception of Elmo!
I get Liam's thing about being unreliable 100%
then you are a shit
Shiggy Diggy k 👌
Magnum Lloyd Well, practice makes perfect. Sticking with their Overwatch example, playing Support is hellish when you're first starting out. But, the only way to get over that hump is to just keep at it. I was a absolute garbage Mercy at the start, for example, so I just sat down one day and said "I'm going to learn this character". So, Yeah, feeling unreliable is a legitimate problem, but I personally feel like that feeling is indicative of things that you need to get better at.
LazyAssassin15 I totally agree with you 100%
am with Liam. I stop playing FF14 when someone told me I suck as a tank, in my 1st try. Got it on day one, stop before the 30 days was up. The same happen with Vinditus. I really liked those games, and miss them.
"if melee had online..." he couldn't just say smash 4. its not really a critcizsm, i just found that funny.
mechanically no.
he means broken i think
BUT GUESS WHICH ONE GOT ROLLBACK FIRST LMAO
got the same problem in league as well thank god pat has the same mindset as me
I totally understand where Liam is coming from, although I'm not that anxious when it comes to people telling me politely what to do. If someone wants me to be a certain class, even if I'm not familiar with that class, I'll tell them that I'm not familiar with it, but I'll choose it.
And if they become assholes after I have told them that I'm not good at that class? Then in my mind they were never polite in the first place.
Over twenty minutes and all I got was "Yeah, Elmo's come to save Canada from the dumpsters of America to save our souls and fail at it because he's old as hell."
I can relate to this. I'm terrible at being a tank. like me and my buddy (warrior and white mage) did a 4 man dungeon recently, and 2 dps left because I died... I did learn how to maximize my agro, but I still die cuz I'm not maximizing my cooldowns.
FUCK!
to all my FF 14 people I JUST WATCHED A PALADIN NOT USE FLASH EVER! UGH ITS THE WORST. DPS DIE BECAUSE WE WOULF USE ABILITIES THAT HIT OTHERS AND TANK WAS 1V1’ing EVERYTHING!!!
12:00 Origin of "For Fun vs For Glory"?
Ah i miss having those healer/tank/dps fights
Ohhhhhh the BABY
When it comes to fighting games, my only problem is when you do something right like a dodge but still get hit while not occupying the same point in space and time
Yeah, those are the hitbox. Sometimes it really is bullshit but you learn that that move can do that.
ELMOOOOOO!!!!!!
I love Elmo!
I'm definitely Liam
Did u hear Pat talk about Elmo at the end!?
I love FF 14 but I got so fucking anxious going into new dungeons.
Overall I think feeling a bit nervous is a good thing in multiplayer games. It means that you do take it seriously and hopefully you want to do your best. There's way too many players that treat multiplayer games that require teamwork as their own personal sandbox where nothing they do matters.
Elmoelmoelmoelmoelmo
I feel like the vitriol that Pat described towards "THAT player" is generally directed towards people that aren't necessarily trying to fuck it up, but because something happens or the player just isn't that good, they get all of the blame. And that kind of thing pushes away a lot of people that are trying to learn. The most prominent example for me is an Overwatch video where two guys insult a lvl. 40 or 30 player for using Bastion while trying to defend the payload (this was on that map with the castle). After they lost the payload, the guy switched to Reinhardt, at which point the two assholes now bitch at him for switching from Bastion. It was extremely infuriating to watch. Now imagine that kind of attitude from everyone who plays the game seriously/competitively, and they justify it by saying, "They're being THAT player!" That gets to you after a while.
Scorpio The Scorpion sure, but there are two sides here. there's a way to inform someone that they're fucking up, and there's a way to take criticism. if i play bastion in a game mode that's weighted against bastion, what the interaction should go like is this: "uhh, dude? bastion's not a good pick here. you'll want reinhardt or something." "what? oh, alright. i'm only good with bastion, so that may be an issue." "well, gotta learn sometime, right?"
what it should not be is "hey, fuck face, never play bastion, what, were you dropped as a child?" "nah, fuck you, i play bastion, if you don't like it, fucking leave."
unfortunately, the second tends to be the norm.
Elmo!!!!
I'm just going to be a piece of shit out of the devil's ass and just spam the comments with Elmo love
Is this why Liam abandoned us?
Elmo is not Canadian?
American cat through and through
What Liam doesn't consider is the players thats doing everything they can. And everyone is looking for Liam to play his part even partially, and they pick up the slack.
But if Liam doesn't do anything towards that goal. Then OF COURSE everyone will hate him. The team pooled all their collective effort together to get them so far and all Liam had to do was one thing. They set Liam up and made it as easy as possible for him to pull off his one task.
AND HE DOESN'T EVEN BOTHER!? Nah, fuck Liam.
Dude what are you talking about?
Do you know the episodes where woolie start playing persona 3?
I can't believe this is the first mention of Elmo!
liam is 100% that guy
This is why I avoid shit games where fun is predicated upon winning.
I don't miss Liam.
I do :(
Liam was a shit in this and it was disgusting. Selfish players in team games are the worst. I mean I love and main Mcree but if the team needs something I swap. And lets say I love Genji but I see that Genji won't be useful, I swap right away because I don't have a tiny brain to see it's not working.
neojin you missed what liam was saying. if you go into a match and someone says "you, play genji. no, i don't care, you're playing genji. our plan needs you to play genji.", then that's an issue. he actually said that if the game requires a healer, he's not going to be stubborn and refuse to play healer, he just doesn't like being thrown into a player-made gameplan by a tryhard.
Guns of Icarus in a nutshell.
You literally cannot beat the most mediocre teams, if you have just 1 guy thats a derp ass.
And I'm the kinda player captain thats able to bullshit my way out of a 2 v 1 and come out on top with average crew (I have 40 videos of the game. Theres video proof somewhere-I can't pin point a particular match out of my 3-4k matches).
Have a teammate captain thats a dumbass vs competent enemy pilots. You're going to be out dps-ed and out flown. But even so, its winnable if you got the crew.
But have 1 crew member thats a dumbass on top of a dumb teammate (happens too often)? Consider gg. Lost so many dev matches because of those kinda players.