A great video on how to use the unit as a TOOL. I agree with you - this is not the solution to reaching the lost with the Gospel but it is a nice addition to the toolbox.
This is really cool. During COVID when we were pre-recording, so we were able to record to the device we used the Wiral with a gimbal and a phone and it worked pretty well. I haven’t used it since going live again, but now I’m thinking about bringing it back..
Hi, I was joking with the worship team and I told them: the next thing I'm going to put will be a camera that goes around the church, and I searched and found this article and I see that it works and it works very well, thanks for sharing.
ohh man but I do need this! this is literally an answer to our prayers because we've been racking our heads on how to do this without a jib in the sanctuary!!
I literally just did the exact same setup based on this video and everything worked great and looks great. For me the gimbal was the trickiest part to get going probably because I have no experience with one. Specifically going inverted. Only thing I didn’t add only because o wasn’t sure where to buy it was the extension pole. Thanks for the help 🙌🏾🙌🏾
Great video, thanks ! I was thinking of applying it in an urban environment and also eliminate the need of finding trees or poles to tie it up on. My idea is that two people could climb on some elevated surfaces in the city and securely hold the two edges of the wire simultaneously with about 25m distance between them , while the camera runs. For the initial setup , one edge of the wire would be extended/carried to pointB mounted on a 3m insta360 stick (through thread ring or clip) above any people or vehicles passing by. One of the two people would remote control it to run on the wire in this case.What do you think ?
I'm possibly going to open up a Pandora's Box here. If you are familiar with technologies like Raspberry Pi and Arduino, then would you venture to say that (with planning) there is opportunity to enhance the footage that can be gathered by using these technologies? There are projects involving use of IR (so they can imitate a remote), radio frequencies (they can imitate different kinds of remotes), and all sorts of other things. Theoretically, one could write Remote operations into programs and trigger these programs with a touch screen or mouse click to change the current operation of the camera shuttle or other peripherals. I don't even have one of these, and my mind is churning it now. LOL
What I am worried abut is weight. I thought it was only allowed 3-5 kgs I have one as well and I do fly it over people but I do tell them ahead of time I am using a Dji osmo and control it via my phone. Getting video out of the phone is the problem
Possible to replace the wiral cam line? Like if you wanted to increase the payload in order to fly it over the crowd if you have no other options? Just thinking to hard bolt a steel cable the same gauge as the wiral cam line and boom - go from 3.3lbs to 20+ and not have as much to worry about...maybe you have to use the wiral cam line bc it's textured or grooved in order for the cam to move? Just curious. I can always reach out to wiralcam if no one knows =) Great video!
Join the wiral lite Facebook group. I’ve seen people talking about the same idea there. Most people say you need a secondary safety wire if going over people.
What's with the mirrors in the worship center? Is it so you can watch yourself while leading worship? :) Where's the pastor's video?? Everyone's waiting in anticipation I've heard...
Great video! Thanks! We want to do the same in our church. How do you get the camera down to charge though? Do you have to use a ladder before/after every service?
Hi Ryland, thanks for that video. I want to ask, how much load are you attaching to the wiral ?? I mean including the extension pole, the gimbal, camera, lens and transmiter… Additionally, when you program a loop, when the wiral turns back, looks a hard shaking of the camera, how this impact on the footage ?? Does the gimbal smooth this shake ??
I’d have to add it up again but it’s under the recommended weight. Our operators only go to the shot after it’s done with the stop on each end. Yes there is a shake at each end. Depends on how fast you are going.
Does the line have to be straight? I haven't been close-up to see if it would be possible to operate it with a curve in place (i.e., something causing a curve in the line).
It will need to be straight. If something was causing a bend it would be touching the line and then stop the unit. Unless you had a guideline hung above the wiral line…..maybe
Hey! I believe for this one I used our Azden smx30 rigged wirelessly with our sennheiser g30 unit. It varies all the time. Whatever I’ve got laying around usually. 😀
Ryland, well done. Is there a way to set up the pan on the MOZA to be automatic, like a slider, to stay centered on a subject, reversing pan direction when the Wiral reverses?
Wouldn’t that be a dream 😀. Some gimbals have active track but in my experience it didn’t work well in an environment like a worship service. Tried it with the osmo pocket. Other gimbals have to use a phone as the tracking device so that’s one more piece to worry about.
@@RylandRussell , it’s been a while since I’ve used my AirCross 2, but if it has a hyperlapse mode, maybe you could approximate a pan/loop. Would take some time to get it synced with the Wiral, and you probably couldn’t maintain the sync. I’ve used the Osmo Pocket with my Wiral, and have always found the wireless performance (through the wireless adapter) to be problematic. Bought a wireless extender, and never could get that to work, either. Plus, the video quality is average, at best.I really want to “fly” one of my Canon EOS R’s, but the AirCross 2 can only handle a very light lens (none of my L glass), like the 10-18, or a pancake lens, like you employ.
In our church we are working on a project where we take a motorized konova p1 slider and extend it to 9m (30feet). The slider should pan automatically to stay centered at all time. We're not done but this could be an answer to what you describe. + everything would be wired / no batteries and no wireless connections.
@@kedoya88 It's 90% there, we've used it for one service, the moving shot is beautiful but the whole thing is not volunteer friendly yet. Some issues with the length of the CAT cable that connects to the controller since the battery is on the controller side and not an the motor side - since the cable is way longer it looses a lot of voltage before hitting the motor. It would be better to have a wireless remote and have the battery or power source closer to the motor, we're thinking about changing the motor kit.
Wondering about how one would control zoom and focus from a setup like this? Is there a way to do it from a gimbal itself? I know the crazy $40,000 setups offer RC remotes with iris, zoom, etc, but if you're trying to do this on a budget, is there a makeshift way to do it? Wireless follow focus? LANC?
@@RylandRussell we run those on our BMD Production 4K Pro’s. Have two of them, so four wireless follow focus systems aren’t ideal haha. Maybe we’ll just re-purpose for other cams like our cable cam system. Thanks!
has this system ever gotten loose on you can fallen off the wire? what about payload is that setup too heavy and over working the motors? Or is the payload under 3.3lbs that wiral says they hold up too?
Hey Stanford, we've probably got 4 lbs on it and it has no issues. If you are going slow and on a level plane I've hear that it can perform ok. Inclines could be problematic. I wouldn't stick a RED up there on a Ronin though.
@@RylandRussell Awesome! Trying to figure out if we can put our Zhiyun Crane 3 with a BMPCC 4k with a fixed lens on this or just go with a new camera and Moza Air
A great video on how to use the unit as a TOOL. I agree with you - this is not the solution to reaching the lost with the Gospel but it is a nice addition to the toolbox.
This is really cool. During COVID when we were pre-recording, so we were able to record to the device we used the Wiral with a gimbal and a phone and it worked pretty well. I haven’t used it since going live again, but now I’m thinking about bringing it back..
Hi, I was joking with the worship team and I told them: the next thing I'm going to put will be a camera that goes around the church, and I searched and found this article and I see that it works and it works very well, thanks for sharing.
ohh man but I do need this! this is literally an answer to our prayers because we've been racking our heads on how to do this without a jib in the sanctuary!!
I literally just did the exact same setup based on this video and everything worked great and looks great. For me the gimbal was the trickiest part to get going probably because I have no experience with one. Specifically going inverted. Only thing I didn’t add only because o wasn’t sure where to buy it was the extension pole.
Thanks for the help 🙌🏾🙌🏾
Great video, thanks ! I was thinking of applying it in an urban environment and also eliminate the need of finding trees or poles to tie it up on. My idea is that two people could climb on some elevated surfaces in the city and securely hold the two edges of the wire simultaneously with about 25m distance between them , while the camera runs. For the initial setup , one edge of the wire would be extended/carried to pointB mounted on a 3m insta360 stick (through thread ring or clip) above any people or vehicles passing by. One of the two people would remote control it to run on the wire in this case.What do you think ?
@@epos_rising I don’t think I would trust just people holding the line.
Thanks for sharing and walking through the setup!
Thank you
Awesome video man! Always great to see the behind the scenes of other churches.
Thanks Derek!
@@RylandRussell I'm honestly surprised your channel doesn't have more subscribers, as your production level is really high 👌
I'm possibly going to open up a Pandora's Box here. If you are familiar with technologies like Raspberry Pi and Arduino, then would you venture to say that (with planning) there is opportunity to enhance the footage that can be gathered by using these technologies? There are projects involving use of IR (so they can imitate a remote), radio frequencies (they can imitate different kinds of remotes), and all sorts of other things. Theoretically, one could write Remote operations into programs and trigger these programs with a touch screen or mouse click to change the current operation of the camera shuttle or other peripherals. I don't even have one of these, and my mind is churning it now. LOL
Great vid! I haven't used this in a live stream yet but perhaps I will give it a shot very soon.
Thank you for showing this. We have a perfect place for one of these, but haven’t pulled trigger yet. Hoping to soon.
Cool idea with amazing shot, but yes sucks it requires batteries.
Thank you for this knowledge 😊
Wow, great video. Very cool cable cam.
Nice I need one😂
Great video man!
Just picked up a Wiral. Set it up with an a7siii and the motor stopped responding. Gonna try to exchange it for another one.
What I am worried abut is weight. I thought it was only allowed 3-5 kgs
I have one as well and I do fly it over people but I do tell them ahead of time
I am using a Dji osmo and control it via my phone. Getting video out of the phone is the problem
Besides the camera, can you give us a cost breakdown of gimbal and unit?
The wiral is 299 on b&h. Gimbals vary. Few hundred bucks for a decent one.
Can you give us a hint of a gimball with remote for pan and tilt?
This is awesome I have been looking for something like this. What other cameras do you use for your stock shots during service
Did you use a different cable that was not provided by Wiral lite?
No, just the cable they provided.
Possible to replace the wiral cam line? Like if you wanted to increase the payload in order to fly it over the crowd if you have no other options? Just thinking to hard bolt a steel cable the same gauge as the wiral cam line and boom - go from 3.3lbs to 20+ and not have as much to worry about...maybe you have to use the wiral cam line bc it's textured or grooved in order for the cam to move? Just curious. I can always reach out to wiralcam if no one knows =) Great video!
Join the wiral lite Facebook group. I’ve seen people talking about the same idea there. Most people say you need a secondary safety wire if going over people.
What's with the mirrors in the worship center? Is it so you can watch yourself while leading worship? :) Where's the pastor's video?? Everyone's waiting in anticipation I've heard...
Oh don’t you worry, I’ve been working on the pastors video. It’s gonna be epic.
Great video! Thanks! We want to do the same in our church. How do you get the camera down to charge though? Do you have to use a ladder before/after every service?
Yep. Ladder.
This is necessary to have a gimbal?? What about very slow speed so not need it
From my tests, yes. Or something like an osmo pocket.
Hi Ryland, thanks for that video.
I want to ask, how much load are you attaching to the wiral ?? I mean including the extension pole, the gimbal, camera, lens and transmiter…
Additionally, when you program a loop, when the wiral turns back, looks a hard shaking of the camera, how this impact on the footage ?? Does the gimbal smooth this shake ??
I’d have to add it up again but it’s under the recommended weight. Our operators only go to the shot after it’s done with the stop on each end. Yes there is a shake at each end. Depends on how fast you are going.
Where do you get your batteries for the wiral?
usually B&H but they are out of stock.
How did you mount the wire to your wall?
How is it mounted to the wall?
90 degree brackets are stud mounted. They have holes on the ends. Caribeener attached.
How do you get the feed wirelessly?
On this one we are using this unit amzn.to/3McvfV6 as it's cheaper than these that we also use amzn.to/3iGy4ne
Does the line have to be straight? I haven't been close-up to see if it would be possible to operate it with a curve in place (i.e., something causing a curve in the line).
It will need to be straight. If something was causing a bend it would be touching the line and then stop the unit. Unless you had a guideline hung above the wiral line…..maybe
How are you doing your mic/audio for these videos? It sounds great.
Hey! I believe for this one I used our Azden smx30 rigged wirelessly with our sennheiser g30 unit. It varies all the time. Whatever I’ve got laying around usually. 😀
Ryland, well done. Is there a way to set up the pan on the MOZA to be automatic, like a slider, to stay centered on a subject, reversing pan direction when the Wiral reverses?
Wouldn’t that be a dream 😀. Some gimbals have active track but in my experience it didn’t work well in an environment like a worship service. Tried it with the osmo pocket. Other gimbals have to use a phone as the tracking device so that’s one more piece to worry about.
@@RylandRussell , it’s been a while since I’ve used my AirCross 2, but if it has a hyperlapse mode, maybe you could approximate a pan/loop. Would take some time to get it synced with the Wiral, and you probably couldn’t maintain the sync.
I’ve used the Osmo Pocket with my Wiral, and have always found the wireless performance (through the wireless adapter) to be problematic. Bought a wireless extender, and never could get that to work, either. Plus, the video quality is average, at best.I really want to “fly” one of my Canon EOS R’s, but the AirCross 2 can only handle a very light lens (none of my L glass), like the 10-18, or a pancake lens, like you employ.
In our church we are working on a project where we take a motorized konova p1 slider and extend it to 9m (30feet). The slider should pan automatically to stay centered at all time. We're not done but this could be an answer to what you describe. + everything would be wired / no batteries and no wireless connections.
@@josua2517 have you managed to get motorised slider to work well ?
@@kedoya88 It's 90% there, we've used it for one service, the moving shot is beautiful but the whole thing is not volunteer friendly yet. Some issues with the length of the CAT cable that connects to the controller since the battery is on the controller side and not an the motor side - since the cable is way longer it looses a lot of voltage before hitting the motor. It would be better to have a wireless remote and have the battery or power source closer to the motor, we're thinking about changing the motor kit.
Wondering about how one would control zoom and focus from a setup like this? Is there a way to do it from a gimbal itself? I know the crazy $40,000 setups offer RC remotes with iris, zoom, etc, but if you're trying to do this on a budget, is there a makeshift way to do it? Wireless follow focus? LANC?
2 of the pd live air 2 units. Gets heavy and awkward to balance
@@RylandRussell we run those on our BMD Production 4K Pro’s. Have two of them, so four wireless follow focus systems aren’t ideal haha. Maybe we’ll just re-purpose for other cams like our cable cam system. Thanks!
has this system ever gotten loose on you can fallen off the wire? what about payload is that setup too heavy and over working the motors? Or is the payload under 3.3lbs that wiral says they hold up too?
We’ve used it for two years and never had an issue. It’s not gonna come off the rope. The rope could break I guess.
how long will the battery last
They advertise the wiral battery will last at least 3 hours. Way longer than your camera will last :)
Hey dude! How are you attaching the gimbal to the Wiral?
The gimbal has a 1/20 on the bottom of the handle. We have an extension pole with a quick release plate.
How can you work this atom transmitter with a minimum of 80ms of latency?
I gave up! We moved to this one amzn.to/3a0sOq2
After the initial evaluation of the Wirral cam are you still using this system? reviewers say it's cool but not making use after playing with it
We use it every sunday.
@@RylandRussell cool have been thinking of getting one but wanted to know cons and pros after long term use
Do you have a rough idea of the overall cost of all equipment?
The cable cam is 299. Then the rest is up to you based on what you want to add. Camera, gimbal, wireless transmitters.
Could u link your church live stream
TH-cam.com/cbcowasso
how long does this setup run for?
The limit is really the camera battery. Maybe 1.5 hours. The wiral and hdmi transmitter will go for probably 5-6 hours.
🙏🙏🙏❤️❤️❤️
Any tutorials for begginers
How much over the 3.3 lb weight limit can the wiral lite handle
Hey Stanford, we've probably got 4 lbs on it and it has no issues. If you are going slow and on a level plane I've hear that it can perform ok. Inclines could be problematic. I wouldn't stick a RED up there on a Ronin though.
@@RylandRussell Awesome! Trying to figure out if we can put our Zhiyun Crane 3 with a BMPCC 4k with a fixed lens on this or just go with a new camera and Moza Air
YASSSSSSS 🙏🙏🙏
Let’s goooooo!
What exactly hdmi Wireless System you use?
I’ve actually got a video on that. th-cam.com/video/6AYYB3TaI_U/w-d-xo.html
It is not above 1,5 kg?!
What gimbal is that?
This one is an old original Moza Air.
😭😔😔😔😔the church (admin), can be too much distraction!!!!.
So .....nop
Bice tool but toooooooooooooooo much expensive-