First Engine Rebuild Attempt Fails - Now What?
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- First ever attempt at rebuilding an engine fails. see where I went wrong and what the next step is.
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Hi Mike, being a former mechanic, I immediately knew what you meant by the “foreshadowing” reference to using plasti-gauge and I am sorry that you made this discovery the hard way. Fortunately, you didn’t make things worse - and you already have the right idea in reinstalling the old bearings. I just hope that you numbered them and kept them in the correct order because that’s what they teach you in school and yes, I have been an instructor of such classes. I too have rebuilt engines lying on the ground - but not on frozen ground - that’s where I draw the line these days; at 67 it’s just not worth it anymore - plus I got money to pay people to do that for me now. I hope it works out because after so much work you most certainly deserve a win. Someday soon we will all see the refreshed motor running and you bursting old hoses left and right - and pressure-washing away the rust, mold and dirt.
Bring on the hoses! I'm ready for that step lol
@@CaptainKleeman You should definitely order some plasti-gauge. It's super cheap and well worth the extra time it takes to use it. It feels good to know exactly the measure of how everything was fitting when you put it all together; Then 10 years later when you may want to pull them out again and swap in new bearings-- you could even double check the size of the those used bearings and see how much they have worn---- plus size up the Next set of new bearings, and see if they still fit correctly. etc.. It's simply bolting it on, and taking it right back off a couple of times. Well worth the extra effort
love the effort you put into the channel but recently the audio is off set from the video a bit distracting
Ive seen several comments on this issue lately. Not sure why that is so important to people. He is building things, wrenching on old junk, (even in the cold and snow), and providing great content, in the process. It might help to focus on what he is doing with his hands. It could be a hardware issue or a software issue. Either way a lot of content providers have synchronization problems with their audio.
Full disclosure...I am not being snarky. Just trying to help.
@@jdelbrid Thank you you did a good job explaining. God bless
I found the hammering to be fun during the first piston. The timing had the rebound with the main strike. It kept my brain thinking. Still not that big of a problem. Captain thanks for bringing us on the journey.
Sound is off but I don't mind. Sound of the hammer made me 😃 .. love a little lightning and thunder action.. keep up the entertainment captain
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Cap’n, my guess is, it’s the rod bearings that are binding… “Why?”, you ask…
Well, that’s what I screwed up in my first overhaul!!
Unlike you, I didn’t stop when the starter wouldn’t turn the engine over. No siree! At 18yrs of age, I wasn’t patient or experienced enough to have such horse sense.
Instead, I grabbed a tire tool and began prying on the fly wheel. After it turned a little bit, I hit the starter again. Nope! It needed more tire tool. An hour later, I finally got the starter to feebly turn the engine over a couple of revs. I was certainly making progress.
That got my hopes up. So, I went to dinner with anticipation of a fresh start the next morning.
I called my mechanic buddy and bragged about my progress… until, he said, “I hope you didn’t ruin the crank shaft.”
The next afternoon he came out to the farm and we tore the bottom of the engine apart again… the lack of torque wrench use and putting the bearings in without lube caught up with me.
My enthusiasm and pride fell into an abyss… the scored crank shaft and chewed up fly wheel sent my empty wallet down there too!
So, I’ll be waiting in anticipation for the next installment to see just what you find… regardless of the unknown date of its posting!
I laughed when you said, "you're the one who hit the play button."
Back in the day starter torque spec was good and tight..yep that will do'er.🤣🤣🤣
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One of the best lines I've heard in awhile "well you pressed the play button "
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Boy can I relate to your situation. Been there, done that. I like how you keep such a positive attitude. I usually end up using more than one word that doesn't appear in the dictionary. I keep doing it though and really appreciate you showing me how I should handle it. I've gotta believe that the backhoe will serve you for many years to come.
I watched a master engine builder at the Porsche factory assemble a 4 cylinder motor. He picked up a box of four pistons and barrels, didn't like what he saw, and dropped the whole box in a trash can. I wanted to cry.
Lol
I have to admit I was on the edge of my seat knowing something bad was coming. Glad it wasn't catastrophic and I'm sure you'll get it sorted out. Thanks as always for sharing your journey, your attitude is an inspiration.
EXACTLY how I learned...IN an engine rebuild course at a Florida college!!!
First day:
Professor says go pull the engine out of that Grand Marquis parked outside and put it on this table.
Zero actual engine removal instruction. His style of teaching...I learned more in that series of courses than any other teaching style throughout a lifetime--this far.
Dive in with a strong will to survive: you will become a swimmer!
Love it
Always rotate the engine after tossing pistons and rods in......sheesh! LOL This is how you learn. Its all good!
Hahahaha kinda like watching an old Godzilla movie......mouth is moving to different words....but we still love ya Cap
Almost as much destruction too! 😂😂
You’ll get there bud. Foreshadowing is a thing shared with many of you fellow shade tree mechanics.
9:38 ish - when hammering there is a loud bang before the hit then a faint bang when you hit - not a problem as it was quite melodical 😊
The comedy on this channel is just top notch, thanks captain!
As they say on another channel I watch. "we do it right because we do it twice". Bummer about the extra work but I suspect you will never make that mistake again. Thanks for posting. Really enjoy watching.
Lol I like that
Captain it sounds like the sound is not in sync. :) Thank you and have a great week. PS I live above the 49 parallel in the Pacific and we do not have snow, weirdness again. :)
Stay tuned for 'Backhoes of the Wild West' with Captain Kleeman!
That’s what you call a learning experience. You’ll figure it out
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Editing and proofing department needs a reprimand, no day off this week, lol. Another great vid, thanx for sharing.
Wild West it is ! and i love it ! good job, as some say, the first time you do something you are going to school, second time you are in known territory and is easier .
Thanks Charlie
I feel your pain! Years ago when I was 16 I was working on my first car, a 1963 Ford Falcon that needed new rings and one new piston. When getting the parts at the Ford dealer, I decided to replace the rod bearings. The parts guy asked me if I wanted standard or 10/1000 oversized. Thinking quickly I said oversized since the engine was obviously very worn. Well, you know what happened when I tried to start it….NOTHING! 😂
Painful, but a lesson I’ll never forget.
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😂 lessons learned! 💪
63 Falcon is one of my favorite cars 🤗. I had a 63 n put in a 260 V8 out of a 64 sprint Falcon engine in it and a 71 Mustang f/r suspensions and disk breaks and 50 series tires all the way around. 🤔 the 2 speed automatic (slush-box) was garbage it needed a good 4 speed.
The magic hammer with sound effects/pre hit noise is really interesting. Seems like something for the merch store as nobody else seems to have them.
I would always dip my pistons into a small bowl of oil to load up the rings with oil before sliding them in. Engine pre-lube on the bearings or at least a little grease on them will make a work of difference. Tighten down your bearings and rotate the bottom assembly before you install the head will tell you if there is a problem. First engine I ever rebuilt on my own the first time I completely forgot to install a set of rings on a piston. What a pain in the ass mistake that was to pull the head and pull a piston all the way back out again! We are all human and learn from the journeys we take. Thanks for bringing us along on yours!
Mike don’t beat yourself up, you did it and will learn tremendously from this. Keep up the great videos!!!! Thanks and just keep doing.
Yes I appreciate his videos is humbleness doing it on his own and getting away from people. Working with the public can be stressful and this give him peace even When things don’t go right.
A hard lesson. Good video keep trying you will get it.
Your doing fine. Every mistake you make is a learning opportunity and will be burnt into your brain helping you on future repairs. Here's a old school gasket holding tip : Tie the gasket through the bolt holes to the oil pan with some sewing thread from the Mrs. Bolt the pan to the block loosely, snip the threads, pull them out and tighten your bolts. No fancy spray-tack required. Best of luck.............
Glad to see others have the same issue with the sound shift, I thought maybe it was because we watch on our tv.
I'D LOVE ONE OF THEM SWEATERS!
We learn - we grow.
And we get to grow along with you - thanks Mike!
Hey thanks for watching
Years ago, I watched as my neighbor's kid did a similar in chassis rebuild of an old AUDI. Occasionally, he would hail me for advice and/or assistance. Having zero confidence that it would ever run again, I was astonished when it fired up on the very first crank. Perhaps all you really need is a good neighbor and some better luck. You'll get it. I've seen worse.
Sorry about the set back man. It happens. I'd blame it on the wild temperature swings in the shop. Lol. Keep pushing brother.
The thermostat is struggling
I am not considering it a fail. You are making progress, Have a good mentor to lean on, and lots of support. Despite the trouble you are having, You really do make it look easy.
"Here we see the native 555, desolate and alone.....waiting for that one cowboy that can tame 'er and make the west less wild" lol love the commentary!!
Mike don't be so hard on yourself we've all been in your shoes little patience a little more studying and you'll have that thing up running and humming God bless
It is fun to watch you.
Looks like your have fun.
I hope your having fun.
Definitely
I use an oil stone/wet stone instead of sanding paper. Solid off its own.
Its better to put the rings in the liner and check the gap. Nowadays they are fitting well. On older parts you needed to make the gap clearance. These cranckshaft bearings have a thin layer of material. Thats why plastigauge is used instead of the old leadwire. But better: put the rod/cap toghetter, torque them and then check if you can move them fore/afterward by hand or screwdriver. If they slide easily 1/25 or so of an inch youre good.
Oil or grease will hold a gasket as well.
Sorry for you but youre on the right track. Rethinking wat you did and where it took a sidestep. Hats off for you from a marine engineer!
Thank you sir!
your right lots of armchair mechanics on here one thing as a millwright for 28 years we use to use STP oil treatment to put gearboxes and motors together great video look forward to the next
Makes since, thanks for watching
I enjoy your humour and ability to laugh at things even when they don't go right. Persistence is key. Have fun. See you next video.
Thank you!
We are all there with you Mike, just waiting to hear that 3 cylinder come to life. Ok, we might not be "there" with you, but sitting in our Lazy Boys, we are all rooting for you!!!!!! Keep up the great work, you got this!!
Sir , it needed a battery originally , that was all. Also , I have had milky trans / hydro fluid freeze ,that will create a no crank situation , I had to push a clutch in on my ford 4500 tractor , to get it too crank / start. These experiences are hard taught , you don't forget them , after years of making mistakes like that ,(or watching someone else make them) you become a run of the mill mechanic. No crow to eat here , you knowledge level is through the roof , compared to when you started . In hindsight , it's best to work in a shop environment for years , to pick up some basic knowledge . Google and TH-cam make bad mechanics, overloads people with confidence. Thanks for being honest , your a stand up guy. I am subscribed . Thanks for good , honest content.
The Canadian tork specks are tight as it will go and one full turn
Lol
I sure love how you deal with the possibility of a negative comment before one can be made!!👌👌
Good job up loading when it is convenient for you. Keep up the good work
Capt, for not being a mechanic and working on a tight budget, even with this slight setback, you're doing a heck of a job😺
Thanks for sharing👍👍👍👍👍😺🤗🐺
Thanks Glenn
Captain Kleeman replied 1 day ago:
Bring on the hoses! I'm ready for that step lol
@Captain Kleeman Yes Mike, I would definitely try to locate replacement hoses, either by posting here:
(1) what the hose numbers & specs are (from your user manual) because some viewers may have some of them lying around unused,
(2) Have Clint from C&C see if he can find a complete set at a decent cost and
(3) let us know what your options are and ask us what we would think if you opened the project up for donations to "feel the room", so to speak and see if this idea generates a conversation.
You may find that there is an untapped potential here, and there should not be any downside to asking subscribers what they think about the idea of contributing to helping you complete your many homestead projects - and remember, you can still blame me for the idea if people hate the idea of the redistribution of resources where needed ... and since many people feel unfulfilled and hate contributing to a black hole, this is much different because this is where we can see contributions being put to good use!
Happy Thanksgiving!
When I finally stopped laughing I actually felt bad for you, but then I just started laughing again, thanks Mike. Cheers from down under.
lol - I was muttering at the screen - "don't you need to clock those rings?". Then you stopped and explained the gaps need to be rotated.
loving the backhoe series you are doing a fantastic job! every step is a learning experience for me watching you do it! keeping it affordable and bring what you rung approach is awsome!
If you could reach it, you can get much quicker verification that things will move if you would have turned the crank externally with a socket while the head was still off and make sure everything turned. Try it on Round 2.
Captain you were also supposed to check the ring gap. God bless
As someone who has worked on everything from tricycles to bulldozers and mini bikes to large prime movers if there is one tip I can give a person doing engine work is if the engine is locked up when disassembling it put a bar on it and every time you loosen/remove something (engine component) see if it will move (try to bar over the engine) additionally when assembling an engine every time you install a part bar over the engine to make sure that still bars over and while when you install a pistons you will get some more drag the engine should/will still rotate smoothly. This one tip can help diagnose what the trouble is and will certainly stop you from having continuing when a problem develops.
Wats up Capt K!!!!! I wouldn't worry about the criticism. You are the Capt and you do what you want!!! Great video as always!!! 😎💪👍
Thank you!
Ring gap wouldn't stop the engine turning over, it would damage the bores after a while. Did you set the valve clearance?, did the engine turn over by hand?.
The big end bearings are coming off anyway, so check the ring gap while everything is easy to get at. Tighten the ring compressor as much as possible before knocking the pistons in, and hold the compressor down on the block while tapping in the pistons. Good luck 👍 with your project. Great vids.👌👌
Captain you will sort it out. Nothing runs the way you want it. That's what I like about you. Sit back have a cuppa of tea, and you will work it out. Keep the vid's coming Captain.
Hi I know nothing about engine work, and so am hot going to say you should have done this or should have done that. But I will say don’t let the knockers & knocks stop you, it is easy when you are watching a screen in the warm. And the man who never did anything wrong has never done anything. All the best keep going. 👍🐝😊
You will get it Captain... We have faith in your abilities!,👌👌
Thanks rich
You my friend are a hoot.!!!
At least you can say you made this grammas day better.
Just want to say “stick with it” don’t get disheartened😊. Sorry but I have no expertise with this kind thing so can’t help out. Just remember how good it’s going to be when done, all those projects you can get stuck into. All the best from🇬🇧👋
Thanks for the support
I always oil the wrist pins when putting the pistons in. I don't like running them dry on start up.
Yup, that's what I did in the video
@@CaptainKleeman I must have missed that part when I went to make a coffee. Sorry about that.
Late to the show here - Regarding the ball Hone - That hone can be run inside the cylinder for a good long time before it removes any measurable. Uniformity is important, keep it moving up and down.
Which is what you did... Peace!
Gotta love the heated shop! Your attitude is why I keep coming back for more videos.
Nice rebuilt video have a great job of the big runs right when you get done putting all this work in it all right have a good one buddy 💯💯💯💯💯
Thank you
Last time I trusted the internet because my cars manual wasn't clear, I ended up putting the very wrong trans fluid in. I didn't have time and the internet agreed with the stores website so I bought it. It's going in the shop to have the valve body replaced soon. Not amused.
🤣🤣 love it "you're the one who hit the play button"
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Warm pistons up in hot water will make fitting gudgeon pins easy, ring gaps average is .004" for every inch of bore, stagger ring gaps. Built lots of those three cylinder Fords Good video
Thanks James
As the great Dory says, "just keep swimming". Great work so far, can't wait to see it running soon
That's right!
It's a good thing you check it before you put the head back on.
Bud, don't get down! I hope it is something simple! I can see the stress and wanting everything to be perfect! Just step back and take a deep breath and become the captain Kleeman that we all know and everything will fall into place for you! I love the happy go lucky BUD
Even though I'm an old lady who always watches your videos, I usually never understand what you're doing. LOL However, your videos are always entertaining, and informative, and please know that I am always here cheering you on!! You will get the results you need. It may take a try or two, but I have complete faith in you, and your determination. Best of luck to you, Captain!!
Lol thanks for the support!
Captain, if this is your first major engine rebuild.
You did a goid job.
Murphy has a tendence to show up with his Gremlin gang at the worse moments.
I'm sure you'll find what the issue is.
Next time feel free to get liberal with pre-oiling all parts.
There is a special oil for re-assembly of engines.
Did you adjust the valves after to torquef down the head or did I miss that part ?
Install the rod caps bearings in the correct orientaion ?
Ooh well, I'm sure you'll figure it out and us subs can breath a sigh of relief.
Don't feel bad, I just re-installed the professionally rebuilt "equipment control valve" on the old ranch dozer. Third "re-install" for the valve, first "professionally rebuilt." Didn't look that difficult to rebuild the first two times when I did it. Pro tip: The professional rebuild at the machine shop cost about $175 the parts kits I bought were about $60 each. Math. It is not my strong point.
Thanks for the video!
We could have pulled the injectors out put some gun powder in it and got it fire. 😳😳🤣 You crack me up bad Captain. Sorry the first attempt didn't work out. The nice thing is after that fine dinner of crow (I always liked mine well done), you'll be filled and ready to go again. 😁 Love your channel. Thank you sir!
Well nothing broke when you tried to turn it over with the starter, so that's a good thing. As for the head bolts, as you said you aren't going to be running it eight hours a day five days a week; and not every engine needs new head bolts. I am leaning towards the rod bearings are causing the hang up, since the pistons did move up and down as you were installing them, and the crank turned before you torqued them down.
I mean its not like you bent two push rods and had to order a new complete set because they don't sell them individually, as well as rent a car to get back and forth to work... That's how my week is going.
Hahaha, I was thinking that was oddly specific. Hope it gets better!
Keep it up Captain 👍You'll get it, and just think when your done you can dig a hole 🕳 and bury whatever caused it😊 Awesome Content 👌
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You are still my Hero Captain Mike! Press on Sir, we have your back.
You got this buddy !! I am very impressed with your fortitude and strength to concur your projects !! Tomorrow is always a new day !
Thanks mike
Hi Mike I’m the guy that put the cart before the horse last time I do feel for you working in the cold I use to do that it’s not fun but the reason I’m sending this one when you put that pan gasket on and you don’t have any stick’em or just sticky stuff raid your wife’s sewing box get some cotton thread tie the gasket to the pan through four or more to hold that gasket place get some of the bolts started then remove the thread
Thanks for the tip Logan
Right side of the block right where the block bolts to the front support is where the date code is.
As long as your taking things apart Check your rod clearance and ring gap then you only have to reassemble things ONCE more
This journey is definitely getting interesting thanks for taking us along so we can learn together. Stay safe
Mike keep smiling, we all live and learn from our mistakes, also I don't know if anyone else has said but your voice is out of sync with the video, it's quite funny watching the hammer hit and then the noise . But seriously keep smiling 👍👍🇬🇧
2 things that might make it easier next time you need to put new pistons in is get a container you can heat water in that the piston will fit in. Warn it up not quit to boil. You can also cool the ristpins in a freezer. Doing truck engines I have found heating the piston works well. I must say you have done alot of reaserch to make it work. Good job.
Mike, time to invest in a Rode! Even Clutch Cargo had moving lips and the audio matched!😁😁 Other than that, its looking good! Waiting to see it run!
Wow..! very fortunate for you., in finding those piston sets on eBay., I probably would have sent the guy and extra $100 for them… OMG Captain..! re-use of those head bolts.? those things will just disintegrate upon the first crank of that engine…, hahaha., just kidding. I rebuilt a 1966 Ford 289 V-8 way back when, and re-used the head bolts., ran like a sewing machine.
Great video,
Thank you sir.
Oh, and pretty sure we saw you turn that crank with pistons installed...first stop would be those bearings.
But hey, that's from the back seat.
Some days I hate the internet but what a wealth of information that 20 years ago would be near impossible to obtain! Hoping for a great ending for this project! Didn't expect the ending we got but you will persevere!
Is it just me or is the sound and video not synced right? The last couple videos I have watched here have been the same way for me.
Mike I love watching your videos. I hope you continue to enjoy making them and posting them so I can continue watching. I love this series so far. Thanks for your hard work!
Watching you do these things have Inspired me to work on my stuff starting with new brake pads on my car . Never done anything like that before but how Hurd can it be 😮
Wow, thats quite a witch hunt. Been there before, I always check ebay for NOS or open box parts.
I rebuilt a Jeep 4.0 L for my daughters car, could not figure why the torque converter was moving fwd/bwd 1/2 inch with acceleration. Even tried to drive it that way... (actually drove about 5 miles before the grinding sound got too loud).
Turns out I put the thrust bearing in the wrong main bearing location - I can tell you, after rebuilding about six more engines since then.... I have NEVER made that mistake again...!!!
And it was going so well. I still think you’re the smartest guy going.
Captain, some thing else you can check is the end gap of the compression ring just to make sure its not to tight or to loose. to tight and the piston will not fit in . Too loose and it will have too much blow by and smoke. Plastic gauge all bearing. There’s nothing wrong with that type of ring compressor, you should just tighten it and then tap on the sides of the compressor and tighten again. You got it
Thanks Greg
Mike you know what they say if at first you don't succeed try try again, and after watching you for a few years i have no doubt we will be seeing the 555 on the yacht build 👍👍👌
When I did my Corvair engine, I was equally nervous putting the pistons into the cylinder. Just remember the cylinders were separate from the block on a horizontally opposed engine. It was a fun and interesting build.
Very cool
First thought, I love the snow
Keep after it Mike! Love what you are doing.
Thanks Kevin
There's no doubt. Your garage needs a roof. The ceiling has pretty days for sure. You're having some fun I reckon. A man has to do that.
Hang in there with the rebuild / refresh… lesson learned…
Always pull on the torque wrench by the end grip. This is how the force is calculated. i.e if you had a 12inch wrench and pulled 10lbs on it that would be 10ft/lbs.
That is good advice… we did a series of tests on this in the 1990’s in my lab at work. What we learned is:
There are two classes of torque wrenches.
The most common type uses ‘length dependent’ torque application. It works on the principle that the handle is a beam. When force is applied; the beam bends and activates a visual, hepatic or audio indicator. For these wrenches, it is essential that the force be applied through the center of the load application point. (Near the end of the handle.)
Shortening or lengthening the beam will change the flex and ultimately invalidate the accuracy of the torque reading.
The other class of torque wrenches are often called ‘cam-over’ type. These have the torque control and indication fully contained in their drive head. These do not require force application in any certain place along the beam.
They are generally more expensive and used for specialized applications. Examples are very light loads, extremely heavy loads and particularly precise loads. Imagine having to torque a two foot long torque wrench to 350 ft/lb without the use of an extension. Those that we tested, were actually built for use with one.
Knowing what type of wrench you have isn’t as easy as just looking at it… just assume you have one that is ‘length dependent’.
I agree with your advice… 100%.