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I wish the radar gunsights in war Thunder were as good as they are in DCS. I feel like they’re very inconsistent in WT. They often drop the lock for no discernible reason and they usually underlead the target.
@bigboi5962 false. WT can't even tell the difference of your plane being locked. And a friendly locking an enemy. That's only one example. As someone with over 3k hours in both games, your just plain wrong.
I like the new update but I wish they didn’t make the smaller teams a setting and instead made it so that the teams are just smaller at a certain be and higher
Or just make it 100% be 6v6 as soon as you turn the setting on. Idc if i have to wait 30 seconds instead of 10 but 32 players with 250 fox 3 missiles is unplayable.
@ichosolemanuel6048 not unplayable but I get where you are coming from. Not even the 6v6, 12v12 is even manageable. I love 12v12 when it actually happens. If you want 6v6 play sim Although it is kinda 2v6 but you only ever see one enemy at a time and hardly ever cross paths with an ally
Not so good, more fuel consumption means more fuel meaning less agile vehicles this should make players be smarter and use ejectable fuel pods more, and fly on after burner only when it is necessary and on mil power when just flying around, this will also create a semi meta giving advantages planes that consume less fuel
I wonder how War Thunder’s F15C radar would handle a full volley of rockets fired towards it from the target it was tracking. Would be fun to play around with. Maybe we could turn rocket pods into pseudo jamming pods
I don’t know what’s going on but I’ve been locking on to a TON of missiles when the target I locked launches them. I’ve actually started not trying to relock, I throw an aim120 stay straight and then relock the target to fire after. 70% of the time my aim120 knocks his weapon out and my second one gets him :)
Thank you AeroTurtle for this video (again). I was looking such a comparison and as usual you did it. Thanks to you Air-SIM players still have someone who creates valuable and quality content. Unfortunately I m still not able to play the game yet hopefully I will able to be back in 2 weeks. Until that time, I will continue to watch your informative videos. PS: could you please make you a detailed BFM ( dogfight) video for F15C. I mean what should be the optimum rate speed tactics etc (especially against SU-27). And also how we should defend ourselves in BVR (because the enemy might launch the missile but how you will notice or take the precaution)
@@AeroTurtle still furballs just less of them, but 16 v 16 is still too much, dcs you mostly fight in 1v1-2s and have a lot of room to do so, war thunder you're almost always facing at least likr 3 players
F-15C is shaping up to be the best top tier of this patch so far. All the caveats of the F-15A (no TWS, no HMS, and AIM-7M) have been fixed on the F-15C and with the addition of the AIM-120A being the best FOX-3 of the patch in terms of BVR performance, combined with the fact it can carry 8 of them makes it definitively the best jet in the game right now. Also not to mention the F-15’s high TTW ratio and high speed handling already made a great BBR capable platform even better. (Also if Gaijin feels like it they could give the F-15C BOL pods which would give it more countermeasures than even the Gripen).
Not to mention those F-15A caveats made it a solid mid plane throughout the last 6 months of meta, though most people relied on its BFM to justify aberrations like asking it to be at 12.7 whereas the Su-27 as a missile bus and the Gripen as the ultimate brawler rinsed the F-15As at anything in practice. Now with the F-15C that tide of underdog will surely turn over time once everyone using it gets the 120s.
@@exhausting_thoughts I’ve been using the F-16C so far to research the F-15C and now I’m only running with 6x AIM-120A. I’m only doing BVR and the missiles are so effective at their job that I don’t even need to enter the furball anymore for kills. What’s the point of bringing AIM-9Ms if I never get within 10 miles of the enemy. Now I’m excited to see how good the F-15C will be with x8 AMRAAMs and better flight performance.
I dont understand why war thunder cant add multiple different “game modes” pr that style format where you get to select between realistic, sim, arcade. Air battles, air nigh battles, air extended range map, air short map, air condensed matchmaking or reduced size whatever they want to call it. Like it would be so cool to be flying an a10 at night with thermals dropping mavericks or gbus
Didnt expect to see DCS footage here really awesome to see! The 15C is my favorite jet and I have around 1000 hours just in BFM on it so I have a few tips in the f15c - coming into the merge around 500-550ias with CAS Pitch off you can plant the stick full back on burners and not snap your wings and have one of the fastest instant turn rates in the game. And for BVR grest idea shooting those aamraams early it lessens the drag and lets you climb better to give followup shots more energy. A common tactic I use is 2 early shots around 45-50 miles keep climing in a crank then re engage around 30 miles back into a crank then go for a kill shot. The one in DCS does a lot better in all aspects of dogfighting than the warthunder one as it really does not like to turn when its slower than 180ias.
Do you play with a VR or head tracking? If so could you name what you use? I’ve been getting in to the sim part of war thunder and my biggest issue is loosing visual when in dogfights.
The J11 didn't feel dangerous in DCS to you because you havent flown against someone who's used to it 🙃 Dude in the video didn't get a single R77 off. It's true however that the 77 is inferior to the 120 due to drag.
DCS F-15 uses Aim-120B which has greater range compared to 120A so you know, not really the perfect comparison weapons wise. It's like comparing MiG-23M and ML bvr capabilities: their radars are similar-ish, but missiles...
Aim120a vs b range difference is max 1 mile. Irl the difference is smaller more efficient electronics that work better so it kinda keeps lock better and is more reliable but it’s in a very small margin. The C is where the real updates to the amraam come in, such as range and maneuverability.
Because they are the most similar and fc3 is usually a DCS players first purchase. So it would make perfect sense to make a video using one of the most popular planes in both games. Perhaps you are mentally challenged though as you couldnt understand that.
it just shows how shitty and Simple gaijin implements things into the game, if they really implement things properly like dcs then they would create a more realistic play ground requiring much more realistic tactics however, I’m sure when gaijin adds ecms it will fuck up.
Pfft war thunder mind, jk. He fires first so that the j11 has to defend or even more better go cold and if the j11 does not panic and fire, the f15 is able to keep pushing him reducing the distance for a better shot, and then right as the j11 thinks he defended the 1st missing and turns back around to engage, the f15 can realize this and shoot considering how the f15 was basically gaining speed his missile will have a lot more energy sealing the deal.
the f15c in warthunder feels sluggish to me, it pulls less, drains all the speed in one turn and has to work hard to regain it in a dogfight, don't know if it's the fuel load or if it's missing engine power, i'm flying in sim and usually dogfighting in the 20 minute range
He fires first so that the j11 has to defend or even more better go cold and if the j11 does not panic and fire, the f15 is able to keep pushing him reducing the distance for a better shot, and then right as the j11 thinks he defended the 1st missing and turns back around to engage, the f15 can realize this and shoot considering how the f15 was basically gaining speed his missile will have a lot more energy sealing the deal.
In the bfm fight I thought I had that but I swear the amount the times the f-15c got it’s nose on me without me realizing is astounding, the eagle has the most nose authority then any jet in dcs I think.
Western developed game will be biased to the f15, eastern developed game to the flanker I suppose the truth lies somewhere in the middle and the best pilot will win most engagements
@@hungrymidget3896 Bro literally said the video that the flanker and War thunder is more dangerous than the flanker in DCS. It's not dog shit in War thunder, your piloting skills are.
Test the radar, contacts at 80-90 Nautical miles in HPRF. Meanwhile in WT it's just a copy paste from soviet manual. 50 Nautical miles. Even in BMS F15c the radar picks up fighter contacts at 90 Nautical miles. As it should, pre-psp radars were capable of these ranges by end of 1978 with the change of amplifiers
@@AeroTurtle the render limit is 104km.(56N.M) Yet on the f15s you see targets at until ~95km(50 N.M) and if you try to lock them up, you cant or it will be very weak due to a limit. Its until 85km you'll be able to lock them. And considerably worse on MPRF. And TWS on the WT's F15 only works on MPRF so even MORE reduced range, TWS works in both High and Medium IRL. It because the datamine values come from soviet manual.
Because they don't have the charts for a PW220( or didn't have them?). The F15A reaches up to mach 2.3 ingame and IRL and the F15C at same fuel reaches M2.45 IRL, 2.5 under 60% fuel, ingame its M2.23. The reason for this is that the Appendix B( which had the PW220 performance) was pulled out of the internet a couple years ago for obvious reasons. When I did my report about this with the charts, they hid the report. When you looked it up as a 3rd party user it showed it didn't exist and 404 error on screen. But from my end it was still up, and guess what? The moderator was asking for the document. The necessary info was there, no need for them to have it.
@@mamo4731 I hope they listen this time, many have suggest for them to revamp bug reports as in the case of AAM4 where they are now using their own calculations instead of public sources and even if given documents, they argue its not sufficient ( like you dont like classified docs so the players try to get what they can show you ffs)
@@theegunpro4561yeah, but tbh it’s not necessary cause anyway most lobbies are 3v6-4v8 (blue side always has at least 2x players) so I’d prefer to see another balancing mechanics to make team size more balanced than just decreased max amount of players
No stock grinding some jets at top tier was already hard even when multipathing was at 100m. Now it's absolute hell for stock jets. and lowering even more would mean that the only way to grind the stock jets is to buy the modifications with GE until you get the good missiles and flares/chaff
i dont see the point in comparing such vastly different games, but to each his own. im definitely partial to dcs over current top tier in WT. the match style is horrible.
@@thekirby53 smae here even far more... this has nothing to do with opinion, it starts with the fact that in WT Fox2 missles are blocked by clouds, in DCS this is not simulated... Fox1 are magically laser-guided in DCS, in WT the missle can change the target and be guided to the stronger reflection, this is also not simulated in DCS... such statements are based on test and basic behavior of radar irl...
@@IronDuke39 thats cause clouds dont effect radar irl. and i didnt bring up cloud modeling. we were discussing the radar, and its modeled better in dcs, period. fox 2's have noting to do with radar modeling
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F-15C in WT has a better simulated radar.
WT simulates probability of detection, DCS F15 does not, which is also a big factor for STT...just saying
did you just call a warthunder vehicle a module? HAHAHAHAH
I wish the radar gunsights in war Thunder were as good as they are in DCS. I feel like they’re very inconsistent in WT. They often drop the lock for no discernible reason and they usually underlead the target.
cause wt has shitty spaghetti coded radar. same reason your rwr goes off when your friendlys locks someone or you fire a arh missile etc
IKR!!!
@@thekirby53WT has better radar modelling than DCS’s very basic modelling
@bigboi5962 false. WT can't even tell the difference of your plane being locked. And a friendly locking an enemy. That's only one example. As someone with over 3k hours in both games, your just plain wrong.
@@bigboi5962delete this, never type again, and no it’s not
I like the new update but I wish they didn’t make the smaller teams a setting and instead made it so that the teams are just smaller at a certain be and higher
Br not be
Or just make it 100% be 6v6 as soon as you turn the setting on. Idc if i have to wait 30 seconds instead of 10 but 32 players with 250 fox 3 missiles is unplayable.
@@ichosolemanuel6048skill issue
@@Naif3mkstfu bro you prod don’t even have top tier
@ichosolemanuel6048 not unplayable but I get where you are coming from. Not even the 6v6, 12v12 is even manageable. I love 12v12 when it actually happens. If you want 6v6 play sim
Although it is kinda 2v6 but you only ever see one enemy at a time and hardly ever cross paths with an ally
F15 is such a beautiful plane and it’s crazy to think that it’s still in service to this day
The F-15EX is a hilarious aircraft
It's absolutly awesome!!
I love how this new update is pushing people to actually use bvr. Fox 3s in WT is quite a bit easier to defend against at higher altitudes
Fr, people staying low are just dumb
@@theperson5185 and they’re the ones saying fox 3s need to be nerfed
It's quite amazing!
Now compare the Su-27, warthunder's model is really a tragedy
Perchance
how so? Doesn't the SU27 in WT turn and accelerate much better?
@@M1A2_Abrams_MBT No
In wt, fuel consumption is reduced by 1.8 times compared to real
Honestly good
Not so good, more fuel consumption means more fuel meaning less agile vehicles this should make players be smarter and use ejectable fuel pods more, and fly on after burner only when it is necessary and on mil power when just flying around, this will also create a semi meta giving advantages planes that consume less fuel
I wonder how War Thunder’s F15C radar would handle a full volley of rockets fired towards it from the target it was tracking. Would be fun to play around with. Maybe we could turn rocket pods into pseudo jamming pods
I don’t know what’s going on but I’ve been locking on to a TON of missiles when the target I locked launches them. I’ve actually started not trying to relock, I throw an aim120 stay straight and then relock the target to fire after. 70% of the time my aim120 knocks his weapon out and my second one gets him :)
Honestly this isn't a bad idea xDDD
Thank you AeroTurtle for this video (again). I was looking such a comparison and as usual you did it. Thanks to you Air-SIM players still have someone who creates valuable and quality content.
Unfortunately I m still not able to play the game yet hopefully I will able to be back in 2 weeks. Until that time, I will continue to watch your informative videos.
PS: could you please make you a detailed BFM ( dogfight) video for F15C. I mean what should be the optimum rate speed tactics etc (especially against SU-27). And also how we should defend ourselves in BVR (because the enemy might launch the missile but how you will notice or take the precaution)
Thank you so much for the continued support! I'll likely make a F-15C BFM video soon. And also how to defend against FOX-3 missiles in general.
I'm jealous of your HMD. Mine has disappeared since the update
Ive been enjoying the update. KD skyrocketed with the multipathing nerf.
BVR Is so much fun. Plus no more furballs!
@@AeroTurtle still furballs just less of them, but 16 v 16 is still too much, dcs you mostly fight in 1v1-2s and have a lot of room to do so, war thunder you're almost always facing at least likr 3 players
F-15C is shaping up to be the best top tier of this patch so far. All the caveats of the F-15A (no TWS, no HMS, and AIM-7M) have been fixed on the F-15C and with the addition of the AIM-120A being the best FOX-3 of the patch in terms of BVR performance, combined with the fact it can carry 8 of them makes it definitively the best jet in the game right now. Also not to mention the F-15’s high TTW ratio and high speed handling already made a great BBR capable platform even better. (Also if Gaijin feels like it they could give the F-15C BOL pods which would give it more countermeasures than even the Gripen).
Not to mention those F-15A caveats made it a solid mid plane throughout the last 6 months of meta, though most people relied on its BFM to justify aberrations like asking it to be at 12.7 whereas the Su-27 as a missile bus and the Gripen as the ultimate brawler rinsed the F-15As at anything in practice. Now with the F-15C that tide of underdog will surely turn over time once everyone using it gets the 120s.
@@exhausting_thoughts I’ve been using the F-16C so far to research the F-15C and now I’m only running with 6x AIM-120A. I’m only doing BVR and the missiles are so effective at their job that I don’t even need to enter the furball anymore for kills. What’s the point of bringing AIM-9Ms if I never get within 10 miles of the enemy. Now I’m excited to see how good the F-15C will be with x8 AMRAAMs and better flight performance.
F-15C ON TOP BABY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! MURICA!!!!!!!!!!!!! FREEEEEEEDOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I noticed the baz upgraded f15 has no tws but turns better then the American f15C
@@AeroTurtle real
I feel like gaijin secretly turned MP back to 100 meters. Amraams that could hit anything on the first day now don't hit the same things anymore.
I think it’s also people learning to defend
I dont think so
It's still 60m. Also depends on the map.
you better do the same with Su27 and MiG29
will do :D
@@AeroTurtle it will be interesting to say the least, thanks
Falcon BMS has a full fidelity F15
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I dont understand why war thunder cant add multiple different “game modes” pr that style format where you get to select between realistic, sim, arcade. Air battles, air nigh battles, air extended range map, air short map, air condensed matchmaking or reduced size whatever they want to call it. Like it would be so cool to be flying an a10 at night with thermals dropping mavericks or gbus
More gamemode would be awesome!
Because you would not be able to find a game. The playerbase is fairly small.
WT Mirage 2000-c vs 2000-c DCS and above all see the difference on the 530D.
Perhaps :>
Didnt expect to see DCS footage here really awesome to see! The 15C is my favorite jet and I have around 1000 hours just in BFM on it so I have a few tips in the f15c - coming into the merge around 500-550ias with CAS Pitch off you can plant the stick full back on burners and not snap your wings and have one of the fastest instant turn rates in the game. And for BVR grest idea shooting those aamraams early it lessens the drag and lets you climb better to give followup shots more energy. A common tactic I use is 2 early shots around 45-50 miles keep climing in a crank then re engage around 30 miles back into a crank then go for a kill shot. The one in DCS does a lot better in all aspects of dogfighting than the warthunder one as it really does not like to turn when its slower than 180ias.
Thanks for tips
Thank you!!!
I liked your video until I saw you are in IML,. Great vid! from 1MAW. I have a bunch of DCS craft if you need for future vids
Thank you!!! Yeah I could 100% use the help in DCS. Join the discord!
Hey can you test the Radar Perfoemence and its properties in detail.
DCS vs WT?
sure wish the HUD on the F-15C in WT was as good as in DCS, in WT it's really barebones which is rather annoying in sim
I WISH THEY WOULD FIX IT!!!!!!!! PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!
Do you play with a VR or head tracking? If so could you name what you use? I’ve been getting in to the sim part of war thunder and my biggest issue is loosing visual when in dogfights.
I use trackir. It's much better than VR in my opinion.
@@AeroTurtle I’ll have to look into it thanks!
The J11 didn't feel dangerous in DCS to you because you havent flown against someone who's used to it 🙃
Dude in the video didn't get a single R77 off. It's true however that the 77 is inferior to the 120 due to drag.
Yeah R-77 has high drag. It's meh.
what are you using to look around? also nice vid! very interesting
I use trackir. Also thank you!
Nice video! Very interesting
Thank you very much!
The C eagle in dcs defo feels more snappier, in wt it feels a bit limited, for one the roll rate at higher speed
Exactly!
DCS F-15 uses Aim-120B which has greater range compared to 120A so you know, not really the perfect comparison weapons wise. It's like comparing MiG-23M and ML bvr capabilities: their radars are similar-ish, but missiles...
Try Aim-120C, much better range compared to the A and B.
@@WarguyPlayz thats not the point of the statement
Yeah that’s what I was thinking when we made this it’s not exactly the same but it’s close enough as is.
Aim120a vs b range difference is max 1 mile. Irl the difference is smaller more efficient electronics that work better so it kinda keeps lock better and is more reliable but it’s in a very small margin. The C is where the real updates to the amraam come in, such as range and maneuverability.
this
Can you make a F4f ICE video❤
Perchance
why would you compare a 10 year old fc3 non full fidelity cheapest dcs module against the wt f15? should have compared the f16.
Yeah true, I think comparing the strike eagle would have been better lmao, but then again since this is fc3 it’s a more fair/ similar comparison
Because I can
Strike eagle is extreamly different from the F-15C. Not only that, but it isn't finished.
Because they are the most similar and fc3 is usually a DCS players first purchase. So it would make perfect sense to make a video using one of the most popular planes in both games. Perhaps you are mentally challenged though as you couldnt understand that.
@@CruelSun69 fc3 is nearly 15 years old it would make more sense to compare to the f16 to the wt one ya fuckin tool
I’m loving this update
Fox 3s are mad easy to avoid but it just matters how much distance you have between yourself and the missile
@@ExcitedDinosaurFossils-mk5xs legit as long as you aren’t within 15 km easy as pie to dodge if your within then you have to get crafty
@@iceicebabyil kinda forced to use ground clutter
It's indeed a good update
R77 in DCS are not bad . I would say very Dangerous (R-77M)
just imagine 16v16 everyone with ecm... suddenly no radar or radar missiles for ANYONE lol back to IR I guess :P
it just shows how shitty and Simple gaijin implements things into the game, if they really implement things properly like dcs then they would create a more realistic play ground requiring much more realistic tactics however, I’m sure when gaijin adds ecms it will fuck up.
ECM isn't that simple. Although gaijin might make it like that.
@@AeroTurtle Depends on the era perhaps.. imagine have 16 mig 21s jamming. They likely can't be locked, and will not get locks.
2:05 What??? the guy at 40nm.... why did you shoot?
To make him go defensive first. Or cause panic.
Pfft war thunder mind, jk. He fires first so that the j11 has to defend or even more better go cold and if the j11 does not panic and fire, the f15 is able to keep pushing him reducing the distance for a better shot, and then right as the j11 thinks he defended the 1st missing and turns back around to engage, the f15 can realize this and shoot considering how the f15 was basically gaining speed his missile will have a lot more energy sealing the deal.
@@goldfishPACIFIER angels 5, 40NM is 3 times the range of the amraam, the missile probrablty didnt even done pitbull
@@Alamo-a2a i was just giving you a scenario of where making a event go defensive first helps
10:40 Why not both?
This is a good option for sure!
the f15c in warthunder feels sluggish to me, it pulls less, drains all the speed in one turn and has to work hard to regain it in a dogfight, don't know if it's the fuel load or if it's missing engine power, i'm flying in sim and usually dogfighting in the 20 minute range
a known OTP the F-15 has is using it while low on fuel, if you don't respect that trick, it'll obviously turn like a Tornado.
@@exhausting_thoughts yea but that's hard to do in simulator, because if you take anything under 25 minutes it's gonna run out very quickly
In reality fuel consumption is much more higher too, fuck gaining and their fake method of implementing tech and vehicles
it does turn like a brick at times
and why are you shooting the aim120s in dcs outside of the minimum launch permission? shoot them at the mar
He fires first so that the j11 has to defend or even more better go cold and if the j11 does not panic and fire, the f15 is able to keep pushing him reducing the distance for a better shot, and then right as the j11 thinks he defended the 1st missing and turns back around to engage, the f15 can realize this and shoot considering how the f15 was basically gaining speed his missile will have a lot more energy sealing the deal.
@@goldfishPACIFIER yea i realized that after typing this lol
This
Would you rather bring 27er or et to rb/sim?
I had no chance against the f-15c say I’m bad but turtle was lobbing missiles off before I could ever dream of getting my r-77s in weapons envelope. 😢
They have stupidly short range for a bvr missile, I might aswell use a r-27er.
In the bfm fight I thought I had that but I swear the amount the times the f-15c got it’s nose on me without me realizing is astounding, the eagle has the most nose authority then any jet in dcs I think.
Real and true. The R-77 and su27 radar is dog water
Russian mains suffering time (me)
Hi, do you take requests?
What type?
@@AeroTurtle Could you compare the radars detection range and radar guided missiles in DCS vs WarThunder?
Epic 😎
Thanks!!!
The war thunder f-15’s radar is extremely underperforming, missing about 65km of range
You're not using the correct tracking scale or it may be truth but not to such extent of 100km.
@@exhausting_thoughts I’m using the correct tracking scale, it’s missing 65km of range. Made an error between unit conversions
The thing to consider is that gaigin tends to nerf American tech and buff anything Russian
Western developed game will be biased to the f15, eastern developed game to the flanker
I suppose the truth lies somewhere in the middle and the best pilot will win most engagements
What is this supposed to mean? The flanker is dogshit in war thunder
@@hungrymidget3896 Bro literally said the video that the flanker and War thunder is more dangerous than the flanker in DCS. It's not dog shit in War thunder, your piloting skills are.
Both eagle Dynamics and Gaijin are from Russia.
Both of these games originate from Russia wtf are you talking about
And yes, both devs are Russian.
Test the radar, contacts at 80-90 Nautical miles in HPRF. Meanwhile in WT it's just a copy paste from soviet manual. 50 Nautical miles.
Even in BMS F15c the radar picks up fighter contacts at 90 Nautical miles. As it should, pre-psp radars were capable of these ranges by end of 1978 with the change of amplifiers
I think it has something to do with wt's rendering. But it would be nice if the radars could reach out far.
@@AeroTurtle the render limit is 104km.(56N.M)
Yet on the f15s you see targets at until ~95km(50 N.M) and if you try to lock them up, you cant or it will be very weak due to a limit. Its until 85km you'll be able to lock them.
And considerably worse on MPRF. And TWS on the WT's F15 only works on MPRF so even MORE reduced range, TWS works in both High and Medium IRL.
It because the datamine values come from soviet manual.
All Russian aircraft in war thunder feel more threatening and USA jets fell like crap, and the opposite case in DCS, surprise surprise
Dcs is a Russian made game. f15c is the best plane in the game why are you complaining
Can we define it as War Thunder's first victory against DCS?
In some areas. Perchance?
Sensor, weapon and DM modeling, yes.
Eh it had many more before, WT WW2 aircraft are better than DCS
F15C Falcon BMS>>>>>
Perchance
Why can’t the F-15 hit Mach 2.5 in war Thunder? It can’t go past 2.3
Because they don't have the charts for a PW220( or didn't have them?). The F15A reaches up to mach 2.3 ingame and IRL and the F15C at same fuel reaches M2.45 IRL, 2.5 under 60% fuel, ingame its M2.23.
The reason for this is that the Appendix B( which had the PW220 performance) was pulled out of the internet a couple years ago for obvious reasons.
When I did my report about this with the charts, they hid the report. When you looked it up as a 3rd party user it showed it didn't exist and 404 error on screen. But from my end it was still up, and guess what? The moderator was asking for the document. The necessary info was there, no need for them to have it.
@@mamo4731 damn. Ok thanks
@@mamo4731 I hope they listen this time, many have suggest for them to revamp bug reports as in the case of AAM4 where they are now using their own calculations instead of public sources and even if given documents, they argue its not sufficient ( like you dont like classified docs so the players try to get what they can show you ffs)
Document leak time?
Worst update I've ever seen for top tier. Once the ARH hype wears down I think the problems will be harder to ignore
Wt community is probably going to complain about Russian bias instead of fixing the game
DCS is bettter
New update is nice, Multipath should be lowered though
Team sized need to be reduced
@@theegunpro4561 not really
@@theegunpro4561it would be nice if they would increase rewards if smaller teams were added but they probably wouldn’t do it
@@theegunpro4561yeah, but tbh it’s not necessary cause anyway most lobbies are 3v6-4v8 (blue side always has at least 2x players) so I’d prefer to see another balancing mechanics to make team size more balanced than just decreased max amount of players
No stock grinding some jets at top tier was already hard even when multipathing was at 100m. Now it's absolute hell for stock jets. and lowering even more would mean that the only way to grind the stock jets is to buy the modifications with GE until you get the good missiles and flares/chaff
proof that wt flight model of f15 is borked, it compresses way too much
indeed
DCS F15C will always be the GOAT
Fr
i dont see the point in comparing such vastly different games, but to each his own. im definitely partial to dcs over current top tier in WT. the match style is horrible.
There is no point.
Well, as far as sensors are concerned, WT is sometimes better, which doesn't exactly make DCS look good.
WT Radar >>>DCS ED Radar.
@@IronDuke39 as someone with over 3k hours in each game, thats simply wrong. but everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
@@thekirby53 smae here even far more...
this has nothing to do with opinion, it starts with the fact that in WT Fox2 missles are blocked by clouds, in DCS this is not simulated...
Fox1 are magically laser-guided in DCS, in WT the missle can change the target and be guided to the stronger reflection, this is also not simulated in DCS...
such statements are based on test and basic behavior of radar irl...
@@IronDuke39 thats cause clouds dont effect radar irl. and i didnt bring up cloud modeling. we were discussing the radar, and its modeled better in dcs, period. fox 2's have noting to do with radar modeling
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