I can ALMOST recommend these to anyone - Sennheiser IE 200
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Adam is back with the new Sennheiser IE 200 IEMs that have an accessible price tag and a neutral sound profile. With great results back from Labs, these should be an easy recommend, but can an included cable ruin it all?
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CHAPTERS
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0:00 We all know Sennheiser
1:12 The box
2:10 The unbox, unique eartips, and design impressions
6:02 Ranting about the included cable
8:14 Sponsor - Newegg
8:47 Listening Impressions and Labs' results
12:22 Overall thoughts
13:00 Outro - วิทยาศาสตร์และเทคโนโลยี
Hi there internet 👋 Thanks for the unboxing and review! We can help provide some additional clarity about the MMCX "lip": The recessed plug helps provide additional strain relief opposed to a flush surface mount. A good analogy is a mailbox post that is seated deep into the ground versus just a few inches into the ground; the deeper seating will offer more stability. For the IE 200, this will result in a longer lasting connection. Any MMCX cable that already had a narrower plug sheath will also fit (at or less than 4.8mm in diameter). There are now several 3rd party cables that fit it since we've launched the IE 300, 900 and 600 (which also share this connector and recessed plug). Hope this helps anyone doing some digging in the comments!
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Fair enough. I'll boost it for the algorithm.
Noice
@@Scnottakenhuh duh six hungos by senn
I am a Sennheiser shill and I still think the world NEEDS more Adam rants
Tbh he just sounds like he’s full of it from a non-audiophile
Yup, he knows his shit and is providing good info
@@rush-zh5dc "he just knows more than the average person". Yeah, so he knows his shit and is providing good info.
@@Cyba_IT Yeah but he gets basic info wrong like impedance and forgets to mention what target and measurement rig their using because those are extremely important pieces of info to know, cuz they can show what u need to compensate for when reading it, btw he didn't specify whether it was raw or compensated measurements.
@@Nero-yn1mf even aside from that, these iems are not that great lol I wish LMG would just stay away from audio because 90% of their videos on it are so misguided
I tore the lip parts off my ie300s lol
I too was annoyed that I couldn’t use any cable I wanted and once I gathered the courage to alter them I found that the lips weren’t attached very strong in the first place so there was no damage done to anything else.
Thanks!
Really hope one day LMG would also release their own Squiglink site/page in order for the graphs to be also seen and used to compare other IEMs.
They need to. Otherwise, they are not getting the worth of their 50k graph tool
rtings is a great website with similar info
@@milkdrinker8616 rtings uses a basically proprietary measurement system that if you aren't used to uploading a version of the rtings target for other rigs the measurements arent comparable.
i mean, yeah, you're right, but it's a workable alternative @@kaeroseon
It's a shame that they don't come with the same case that the IE300's had (that these seem to replace in the Sennheiser lineup). Even the cable on those was noisy enough for me to return them, even my cheap BeyerDynamic in ears (soul byrd) have a significantly better cable and cost less than most mmcx cables!
Adam hosting skills improved vastly over the last months! Keep up the good job Adam!!!!!
its always been that and the answer always been another dramas and some possession lost
It’s kinda astounding that the dual-level tip thing is patentable…
Double rubber (patent pending)
if you spent money on r&d and production and invented it, you would want to patent it too
It's called "flanged"
@@hulkamania5071That doesn't mean you should be able to get one. Coke would patent the color red given the chance.
They can keep it lol. I’d rather have a switch or a nozzle swap.
I use the IE 600s and I have found that even with the lip I am able to use other MMCX cables just fine. I use a linsoul cable with a mic on it so I don’t have to always use a dedicated mic for gaming and it works fine. The one issue it does create is that for non sennheiser cables they dont have the extra grip of the lip to keep them in so when pulling the IEMs out of your ears you can accidentally disconnect the cable. Not the greatest thing in the world but it still works fine.
A lot of cables will specify they fit the sennheiser
according to other reviewers, closing the "dual tuning" vent and some third party tips will give significantly more bass. The gimmick really doesn't seem to work most of the time, as when you insert the IEM into your ears you'll be pushing down on the tips, closing the vent anyway. The vent is always leaking, even in the closed position, so closing it with some tape improves bass significantly, back to similar levels of the IE600.
Sidenote: at 11:22, a boost at 1-2khz would sound more "intimate" or even "honky", as instruments sound like they're closer to you in the mix, which can actually be preferable for some. The "shout" region would more be at around 3-6khz, ironically where there's a small dip, so that's probably why you couldn't hear it.
Imagine shelling out hundreds of currency, then having to mod the product with sticky tape.
@@toseltreps1101People do that with cars and keybaords lmao
its 125 where i am, a pretty competitive price for the quality
I don't find the bass to be leaking to be honest. I get a decent amount of bass, and about 20% less bass than my IE600, which is how they graph anyway. It's a less aggressive version of the IE600.
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4:30 the 'feature' of the dual position, is that there is a small slit in the point where the tip sits on the IEM. That slit leaks the bass out. Depending on where you put the eartip, that slit is closed or not. That's how it is supposed to work. But the eartips supplied don't seal that slit very well, which causes a loss of bass that should not happen. But any normal eartip on and you'll notice it's more closer to the IE600.
Let me warn you - the shape retaining wire in the ear hook broke on my IE 300 very easily (same build as IE200) and so ear hook wouldn't retain shape and what's worse - it put stress on the connector of the headphone as I wore it damaged, so one of my earpieces no longer work. The replacement cable costs insane amount of money and even tho connector is standard, the fitting is not as stated in the video. I loved my IE300 sound, but the build (yeah - the cable making noses infuriated me) is just a no-go. Wouldn't recommend.
I had the 300's in the past and luckily they broke during the return period. The connector on the left earbud seemed to click in, but wouldn't make connection. Loved the sound quality but wish the build quality was more skookum
Listening to this with my IE200 ^^
Love them so far
🙏 Thank you!
I owned and sold a pair of these. Should have really mentioned tip swapping, they benefit so much from better tips. Also there’s the tape mod to cover the hole for forward position to not lose all of your bass.
I have a FiiO bluetooth receiver, and it is very nice. Was curious about their player, and glad to know that's pretty awesome.
Replace the cable, replace the ear tips… and these are golden for the price. Not as good as the IE 600’s (which are my absolute favs), but damn good.
Does it make sense to have them when you would need an iPhone headphone adapter?
How well does the eartip hold its place? i can imagine it just pops to the 2nd position when pushing it into your ear?
I own a pair of the IE 100's and this tracks with the pair I have. I would never recommend them for anything other than monitoring. I use them exclusively for DJ'ing. They just happened to be the best IEM's in the price range when I got them.
The ie200 is a bit different than that one. sennheiser historically was hit or miss with iems. but more recently since they've come out with the ie900, ie600, ie300, and now ie200 they've been getting alot better. they have other ones in their pro lineup but most people dont like them so much such as the ie 100, ie 400, and ie 500
Ie 100 and 300 are not even close to the 200
IE200 is actually pretty good
I hesitantly got the IE200. I also got the Dunu S&S tips. The tips make a huge difference. I love them. Especially using the original Ifi Hipdac. I am waiting for the Hart Audio cable to be delivered. I understand that I could have got a more expensive IEM with what I have spent, with the Hart cable I can use different connections.
Sounds like they are similar to the Sennheiser cx 300s and cx 3.00 wired headphones and the CX true Wireless earbuds. The sounds on those are similarly very good, but build quality can be an issue, at least for me, since 1 to 1.5 years is the maximum I've had any of these before either the the wired headphone cable has broken or one the earbuds has gone permanently dead.
Very nice review.
I've got the IE100 PRO. For a wired and wireless Bluetooth headset, they do me well.
A negative is the wired set-up is for playback only.
Is Realtek 1220 VB enough to drive these? I don't super loud but high resolution..
Price is currently $119.99 on their page
I have a pair of ie 600 and can confirm the cable is terrible. So I trimmed the collars back a millimeter with a heated exacto knife and they fit my other mmcx cable perfectly. Of course then the driver in the Left one went out and now I'm in limbo to see if they still honor the warranty. If I could find a chifi pair that were as comfortable I'd ditch Sennheiser
I found the KZ ZS10 pros to be very comfortable with the stock tips, but they were more comfortable with the final type e ear tips
how do you clean the filter?
those little ridges on the inside of the tip strong enough to hold when you slip it in your ear?
What is going on with these scam bots?
As a fellow audio wanker, nice to see SC covering some iem.
At the 150 range i would suggest other iems
Letshouer S12 pro (a bit of a harminsh tuning and good for female vocals, some also prefer the regaular s12 because of it having a bit less bass. 110-130)
Kiwi ears quintet (220)
Legato ( for that super punchy bass bass, costs like 90)
Tangzu wu zetian heyday (a great allrounder for 199)
Th issue with other brands is, that they are not readily available everywhere, unlike Sennheiser. I had to take a plane to get my headphones abroad. (Beyerdynamic DT770 Pro)
@@Mp57navy I haven't had any problem shipping my of my stuff from reputable sellers from Ali and other websites I trust.
@@Mp57navyShenzhenAudio ships internationally
The quintet is not bad but the hexa at 80$ has better treble than all of these (more "correct" and linear with no weird peaks or dips). The rest can be EQ'd to taste easily and it (nearly?) goes toe to toe with 500$+ tribrids. It's a great place to start (and finish if we're smart 😅)
What tips are you using on your Legato?
One caveat when buying their products: they always have proprietary stuff baked into it.
Also, you can shave that extra plastic or snap it off to make way for your custom MMCX cables. I hate it when they do shit like this.
Nothing proprietary here. Anyone can make a cable with the 4.8mm plug sheath diameter without licensing anything. The recessed plug is for additional strain relief. Many 3rd party cable makers have options without needing to incorporate any privileged intellectual property.
having used mmcx and 2-pin i kinda prefer 2 pin, the rotating feature of mmcx doesn't really matter all that much, and after a while they tend to get loose.
I feel that rant about the cable. The worst part of the HD600 and HD800 are the weird 2-pin connectors. Especially on the 800. Not surprised to see similar stupid decisions on their IEMs.
Don't get mad at SH for thier exclusive cable, Apple started and encouraged this bullshit
@@MaxRamos8Apple's main business is still making PCs when the HD600 came out though
But tbf the connectors into headphones are never rlly standardised to begin with, and given that the pin-out for the HD600 and HD800 are public knowledge since long ago I wouldn't be too harsh on sennheiser either
Ive actually always thought there was a missed opportunity with basically box tuning done with the replaceable rubbers...i like to call them rubbers...just think of the chamber created by the speaker cone and your inners ear as the priamary chamber of the speaker box...the problem is everyones ear is different...but this is why you have equalization...not to get more performance overall but to tune out issues with your particular system and room Etc
dose these IEMs are good for everyday usage ? for like gaming , zoom meetings ?
I wanna know of they sound better than linsoul timeless cause i cant even use my meze audio cable on them which sucks
God I Love Adam! He's an amazing host!
That last punchline! 😂
There's been a rise of cheap IEMs and the past few years and some of them are amazing for the money. I use a KZ Acoustics IEMs for work and they sound amazing. Mic is good enough for teams calls. Removable cable with 2-pin interface. I really like my Sennheiser and Audio Technica stuff but damn these cheap alternatives are getting good.
my sal0 is great for its price. there's also a lot more options at around $20 now. kiwi ear cadenza, truthear hola, and many more are great options
Audio Technica lol
Can I ask would connecting these top earphones to a high quality DAC make them sound even better? Or little difference and what about a high quality Walkman ( not necessarily Sony) just wondering. PE
fun fact, you can trim that collar off pretty easily and they will take any MMCX cable.
I would suggest anyone to look for Crinacle's IEM ranking list when choosing an IEM.
I have the 7Hz Timeless ones.
I just ordered the Steven Slate VSX headphones. You should consider them for a video idea! They're some really crazy mixing headphones that work in parallel to included software!
Any reviews of these from a guitarist? Thinking aout picking them up for apartment playing.
My first earbuds and I’m in love!
Thank you!
A quick question, what’s the “target curve” in the frequency response graph starting at 11:00 ? Is it the ideal frequency response? If so, how did we get such curve?
Maybe Harman?
@@LetrixAR Ye, it looks like one, a Harman curve for iem.
Linus is teaching Adam well, two drops in one video.
Any idea how similar it is to the HD598/599? that sound signature is great.
@@No-vh6rtwhat about the HD 560S?
IE300 would be closer to the HD599.
At 7:40 he is talking about the improves sennheiser cable does anyone have a link to the said cable ?
Can someone link the audio player used in the video?
Soooo, does that mean I can use them as studio monitors on the go?
Sick subtle monsters Inc reference
White background maat would be nice for black earbuds
@1:32 what kind of monster throws away the box?
Can someone recommend a good pair of iem's that are affordable, I had of kz ZAS's that I liked but they broke.
Glad I watched this on my phone so I could zoom into the video to see what he was describing for most of this video. :( maybe needed more close up b-roll guys.
In 2017 I purchased a monitor from newegg. After three weeks of it working great I threw away the box. A couple of days later a blue line from top to bottom about 3 pixels wide appeared on the screen about a 1/3 of the way in from the left. Newegg refused to take the monitor back for the full refund without the original box. I told them I would buy a new one, return the bad monitor in the box from the new one and then get the refund. They refused and said the serial # on the box had to match the serial # of the monitor. The most they would do was a partial refund. Their customer service for this order was horrible and since then I have steered tens of thousands of dollars (personal and professional) away from newegg. Based on my experience I would not recommend newegg.
That's completely on you tho, almost no company is going to give you a full refund without the box and some companies need the box to be in usable condition. This just sounds like you being petty over something you should haven't of done in the first place, almost everyone who buys a monitor keeps the box
@@Fallen_Family Yet I've never had this problem with Amazon. I've sent a number of products back without the original box and never had this issue. As stated I was even willing to buy a new monitor, get that box and ship it back in the new monitor box for the refund on the original monitor. It's absurd to require that I keep a large box around for months during the warranty period covered by them. I think it's reasonable to assume that after a few weeks the original box would have been thrown away. Do you keep large boxes like TVs and monitors around for weeks and weeks? What about smaller boxes for processors or motherboards? What about clamshells for RAM? How long should one keep around the original shells/boxes? Would I need the original boxes for those if they were defective? All I wanted was a monitor to replace the defective one they sold me and they wouldn't do that without more money. It was very poor customer service and I don't think I'm being petty when a retailer demonstrates poor customer service.
a Fiio dac? how do their iem sound compared to these?
I have the IE200s, and if you don't find the perfect fit they sound awful, so a lot of people hate on them.
but if you find the perfect fit they sound super good. I use them for vr with my index and they are great.
just remember to try every single eartip.
This is true of any IEM and any closed-back headphone. If they don't fit you, they're not going to sound like the designer intended them to
yeah, it just annoys me when people write off the audio quality of something without allowing to perform its best by finding the right eartip. the difference really is huge
then again some peoples ears might just not fit right with any of them I guess
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@@sennheiser oh hi
@@bambuwuzled sup
are they good for listening to content/films and gaming?
Would really like to see the IE400 Pro
这衣服在哪买的？姜根是什么东西？为啥还有个飞机的配图？
I’d love to see some reviews on affordable fiio dacs
If you're buying this IEM's I recommend buying new tips and cable. The tips you can put the filter of the stock ones have, it isn't glued or something and the cable is really bad, but remind that if you're buying a new cable you need to buy a ie series compatible mmcx, tripowin, and other companies have options compatible with IE series
Best headphone review in a long time. Beautiful rant. Keep calling em out for being cheap where it counts.
Before watching the video , I hope this is the outcome: use other tips because the 'dual position' thing doesn't really work. Use 3rd party tips that stay on properly , and these are actually very, very good as cheaper-but-still-good ie600's. Ie300's are quite different
Can you guys test the old IE80's ?
I wanna know a best earphones for gaming
I’m tired of my headphones
Does this come from the sold off Sennheiser division?
Yes. Sennheiser Consumer. Everything you will most likely ever buy from “sennheiser” is from this division.
Wired earbuds are underrated.
I love my Bose QC20's.
I have the se215's and enjoy them I end up using them on the motorcycle a lot.
I have been interested to see how well the Bluetooth adapters work from Sennheiser. It would solve your cable issues lol.
I use the shure rmce-bt2 on my shure IE 200 i just slightlyshaved some of the plastic off of the tips on the cable and not the IEM and it works great!!!! Like you i also use the se 215 when i ride my ATV they have a better seal but i do prefer the sound of the IE 200 than the SE 215
Should I get this over 7hz Dioko X Crinacle??
Could you please test KZ IEMs? It doesnt realy matter Wijchen, i want to know what you think of those as a reference
I just can't go back to wired ear/headphones unless I'm on PC. MTW3 sounds as good if not better to my ears than the Beyerdynamic dt 900 pro x
do they have a mic?
When or can you review the pinebuds Pro?
That red bull promo in it 😂
Clinical highs? Idk about that, it definitely has good soundstage and imaging though. It’s more of a warm laid back sound, maybe you need to tape the nozzle with micropore or electrical tape.
what about compared to ie80?
I'm very happy with my IE 300's
normal earbuds won't stay in for me for some reason and I really dislike noise cancelling.
If you wait for a good deal you get IE 300's for cheaper then IE 200's
I doubt it, unless ie300 is $120 which is the price of ie200 currently - and that's not even on sale
What’s the background track @10:38 ????
Since when is 18Ω high resistance?
That cable rant was a bit weird. Mmcx has a far, FAR shorter shelf life. They will wear our ane break much sooner than a 2 pin. I've also never found the rotation to help a good cable or hinder it.
2 pin only comes in two styles. 0.75 and 0.78. They're interchangeable enough that you don't need to worry. An iem with .75 will EVENTUALLy be stretched by the thicken .78 pins, but that just means you will now need .78 cables. And the .75 is fairly uncommon in the first place nowadays. Then there's just the KZ/CCA/TRN style called qdc. Those are obviously visually very different, like mmcx.
The only thing 2 pins have that is annoying is some are recessed, like the sennheiser mmcx. This makes them more secure, and most cables nowadays will have enough recess to fit, but mmcx cables need to specify their compatibility with sennheiser.
So in reality, a 2 pin is just a 2 pin in almost every way. I have a bunch of 0.75 and 0.78 cables and as long as that recess fits, they all fit each other just fine. I never have a 2 pin dislodge unless it's a non recessed cable with a recessed iem. But I have had entire mmcx headphones die at the iem connection, because mmcx just has an atrocious duty cycle, and the connector was not designed for iems in the first place
Best earbuds for bass and mids? How about vocals? Why?
6:03 Me with u12t stock cable 👀
6:25 No joke, Truthear Hola cable is the best thing ever
nice ginger root shirt awsome band !
can you use these on a gaming pc and expect good sound?
without an amplifier
Have the Sennheiser products remained good as they were before selling the audio division to Sonova? Had put on holding buying anything from them since the announcement to see what happens to their quality.
Ie600 is great hd650s II overpriced and ie200 great if they fit
I absolutely love my Sennheiser HD4.30gs. Best headphones I've ever bought. But they pulled the same shit. The cables detachable. And it's a standard 2.5mm jack. But theres this stipid little catch molded into the cable.
And the cable did not do well. It still works. Sure. But it's insulation degraded badly.
But despite that. I'll still buy more. XD
Have you listened to the razor Iem version? They're about $10 cheaper than those.
Do they at least have memory foam eartips or just the silicone crap?
They come with both, fellow video skimmer
My cheap iems from kz and linsol or whatever only have one slot where the ear tip goes
These are not for everyone. They are for critical listening. It's like reviewing studio monitors the same way you would an ordinary bookshelf speaker.
I don't see the reason why you wouldn't review studio monitors the same way as an ordinary bookshelf speaker and the other way around.
@n0xt because these products serve different purposes. The only type of person that would buy monitors instead of bookshelf speaks for everyday listening is an audiophile that wants an uncolored listening experience and creator that works with audio and they need to hear the audio uncolored and flat. Studio monitors are typically more expensive and the don't sound as good as bookshelf speakers cause they are made to sound flat. I use monitors for audio work. You can get way better sounding speakers. And the review seemed more geared towards your everyday consumer.
@@politicallyopinionated The purpose is the same - good sound. After decades of research we know that speakers sound good when their on-axis frequency response measures flat in an anechoic chamber. And that's (generally) how studio monitors (and oftentimes "ordinary bookshelf speakers") are being designed to measure. Which doesn't mean that they sound flat.
When you put anechoically flat speakers in a room their response will be tilted with boosted bass and tapered off treble. Speakers with flat in-room response would sound horrible.
@n0xt there is a huge difference between studio monitors and bookshelf speakers. One the price, like I already mentioned. 2 the frequency is often heavily colored in consumer grade speakers.. I've owned a production studio and have been producing and engineering for over 20 years. I only use consumer speaker for reference. If I used them in my studio to mix, it would come out sounding like trash because the added coloring would trick my ear into hearing exaggerated frequencies that are not in my mix no matter the axis of the speakers or the treatment to my room. Geez!
@n0xt and also, how would the room play a part for in the coloring of sound in headphone monitors or in ears for that matter?
Thank you Adam for talking about the packaging in this way - who cares for the freaking box. The unboxing feeling fetish makes for so much waste for stuf that will give you a little rush for a split sec and then decay for ages in landfills...
This vs kz?
Can you review some cheap iem's from brand like KZ, CCA which are 20$
Remember, Sennheiser is only the brand, not the manufacturer. Sennheiser (the company) sold the consumer division to Sonoma last year.
Incorrect. The audiophile product engineers, R&D, etc all still work at the Sennheiser HQ laboratories. Yes, owned by Sonova, but no, not just a brand.
@@sennheiser so it's some kind on joint venture?
@@craesh It's more complicated than a TH-cam reply but here goes: Sonova indeed acquired the rights to the brand for certain product categories, but the audiophile gear has all the same minds, R&D, engineering and machinery still at work. There will be some cross pollination with hearing devices in the future where both companies can leverage expertise. That said, the hi-fi gear is developed by many of the bright minds that worked on some of your other favorite Sennheiser projects.
So I just got these today, I was thinking HD599se in an item which would double as the sleeping kit.
And my first thought is this one is totally different. The cable for me is okay, because they decided to put the same driver as the ie600 / ie900.
Maybe it's a Sennheiser thing that I never get the impedance to make sense, like my KZ zx10 pro are easier to drive. The 599se is 50 ohm and the ie200 are 18 ohm. I am sorry it's a weird thing that with a dac that can drive 300 ohms sounds good full and the volume is realistic.
If anyone asks me right now, I know that this one will become my favourite with time, it's flat af, and these remind me of the Apple wired earphone that came with two drivers inside it.. this one will take time to understand the taste when I go through my playlist.
Definitely unique in this price bracket.. it's like once you get used to your studio monitors everything else starts being awkward..
I will share more details with a long term review. Comfort is superb.
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Cool !
I own the IE300 and Can’t find where to buy a new cable 😢.
I just ordered a cable from Hart Audio for the IE200. I think it can be used for the IE300.