Inside The Cockpit - R.E.8 'Harry Tate'
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- It was a plane that shattered the moral of its own pilots and at the same time became an adored workhorse - let's have a look at the R.E.8.
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Military Aviation History thanks for story of unsung heroes and aircraft.
You may be interested in doing a show on the Israeli air force in the 1948 war. There is an interesting documentary on this, which I saw on Netflix or Amazon Prime some time ago.
SO MUCH WORLD WAR in one day - who could possibly handle this? Oh, we could. Love your Inside the Cockpit series.
Thank you :)
Great War!
And I cannot take more!
Great tour!
I keep on marching on...
Thank you guys for all the amazing content over the years.
Can't wait for World War II in 2039!
You know Indy is doing WW2 right now on a new channel right?
Arbiter099 what is the channels name?
Ah, more about the magnificent men and their flying machines.
There's a lot I don't know about aviation in WW1. But you are helping me to expand my knowlege, cheers for that.
I like the video and your cooperation with the museum. I'm impressed that they let you climb into their precious plane.
Well they do go up-diddly-up-up and down-diddly-down-down
Looping the Loop and defining the ground
@@martijn9568 'Defying'.
Kevin Elliott that would depend on how close you get to it😁
Martijn they’re all frightfully keen, those magnificent men in their flying machines
The RE8 was in fact quite an achievement by the British government's Royal Aircraft Factory!
An aircraft with the lowest possible performance, yet with vicious handling characteristics represents an accomplishment only government could manage!
Well now, no 3 Sqdn Australian Flying Corps managed to shoot down a lot of German single seaters with their 'Harry Tates than most other RE8 Sqdns.
Yes the Bristol Fighter with RR engines was a way better 2-seater, even against single seaters. But you did have to be VERY strong to fly it.
@@timboinozify Just goes to show how determined those Aussies were then, given such a dire aircraft.
@@stewartw.9151 Do you fly, at all? If not how could you know? And, probably not even then, unless you've flown an RE8.
For, as the video makes clear, experienced recon. pilots quite liked the RE8, for doing what it was designed to do. Direct artillery fire / and take photographs, mostly.
Slow, steady and level being the requirement, while the pilot and observer did the observing and clattered on their Morse-keys. You can't do artillery fire correction, unless you are slow / fly around in circles, or both.
Do you - know - what else they had to use, so that they could, 'send'? And, how that item affected things for all aircraft doing these roles?
You can't take effective photographs unless you fly straight, slow and level.
Most WWI aircraft were potential flaming coffins. The Sopwith Camel was far more dangerous to its pilots, even when taking off and landing. Unstable, basically.
@@timboinozify Yes, since 1975 on powered aircraft, before that gliders. Also hot-air balloons.
My info comes from books - biographies and autobiographies of WW1 pilots, and on aircraft of the era.
Of those which mention the RE8 at all, I cannot recall any who extolled any virtues of the crate but just the opposite in several cases!
The craftsmanship in that propeller ...
Always great to see these early kites up close. Really enjoyed seeing the cockpit and its instruments. Thank you. A walk around the entire aircraft would be really helpful for scale modellers doing research. 👍🏻👍🏻
this was very good.. I found this through my "recommended" videos.. well done I will have to watch a few more.. if they are this good I will sub up and I think enjoy this channel.. thanks for the share and please ..carry on!
These keep getting better and better, great series!
*I like how it is positive attention for the museum and gives us a unique chance to see the inside of a cockpit as well, it seems like a great collaboration that benefits everyone :)
Cheers, glad you enjoy it and very happy to have worked with the museum on this one. They were superb!
@@MilitaryAviationHistory If you ever get another chance at a 2 seater,video yourself in the gunners position as well. If memory serves,the Lewis gun is mounted on something called a Scarff ring. Moving that around,and imagining yourself with one of those clumsy cameras of the period mounted on the fuselage side,changing plates while looking for bad guys would give anyone the willies. At any rate, nice to see one close up,with design details included.
@@MilitaryAviationHistory please make a video on the time spitfires and zeros clashed for the first time over Darwin in 1943.
Totally agree, this museum is high on my list now for my next UK visit.
Thank you for presenting this very informative article about the RE8. My Great Uncle Lt. William James Chalk was flying as an observer during 'Bloody April' in an RE8 on April 13th, 1917 when he and his pilot were shot down and killed during the Battle of Arras. Baron Manfred von Richtofen's JASTA 11 had been recently sent to the Arras region and wreaked havoc on the inferior British aircraft available at that time. It was so bad that during the month of April in the Arras region the average life span of a British pilot in the air was only 18 hours.
I really enjoyed your even-handed evaluation of this airplane. My grandfather was a gunner-observer in RE-8s for a while, which seems almost bizarre to think today. I used to show him little 1/72 models of WWI aircraft I built, and he would tell me things about them, but alas, no RE-8 was available at the time.
With the demise of Wingnut Wings due to Covid. The best source for WWI models out there is likely those published by the Polish card model publishers. And I do mean publishers. The "kits" come in a booklet. The great thing about card models is if you scan them into the computer you can always reprint the parts if you have a major screw up.
Love the 'Harry Tate', just something classic about it.
In 1968 I was ten, and was taken by my father to meet an old Harry Tate pilot in Wales. Pretty much all I remember about it was the four-bladed propeller he had mounted on the wall of his living room - it only just fitted!
Great filmwork at the introduction, worked well.
Are we going to get an "oh my god the plane is on fire" test in the future?
Not giving pilots parachures kind of defeats the purpose of that test i think.
You had two choices. Jump or burn.
A lighthearted contribution: When I was young I received a book as a gift called the worlds worst aircraft. Chapter 2 featured the RE8.
I remember getting a little bit stoned and reading this book one time. I don’t think there was a time where I laughed quite as hard as I did when I read this chapter. The writing is gold.
at the heading of the chapter there was a very old black and white photograph of a pilot sitting in an RE8. The caption read something like “You can almost feel the panic in the eyes of this poor royal air force pilot as he anticipates taking off in his rickety RE8.’ It was the perfect description for the photo😂. Another memorable quote from the book read something like “one by one the pilots got in the seat, tried the controls and then walked away shaking their heads. “
If you like books about aeroplanes it’s a delightful read.
i got to it with 427 likes and zero yes ZERO dislikes... Its well deserved a great episode and delivery
How could I live without your TH-cam channel ?? Your knowledge about aviation history is just incredible.
Posted just in time for my lunch break. Danke mein Freund. Liebe aus Amerika.
Thanks for sharing excellent 👍
13:31 So that's where my garden chair went. I WANT IT BACK.
love this video, my great-grand uncle flew the RE8 for 9 SQN and was killed in october 1917 over Belgium... this plane has a special place in my heart
I think it is interesting that you have chosen the RE8 as a subject, this aircraft together with aircraft like the Rumpler 2 seaters did serious jobs for their respective military forces & could be compared in a favourable way to balloons which persisted as an observation platform well into WW1.
I think the task of Artillery Observation (apparently called ‘Art Obs’ by the RFC personnel who had to do the job) is considered to be a major innovation in the effectiveness of long range artillery, with initial use of messages dropped on the gun positions by the spotter aircraft, before the use of rudimentary wireless systems, together with the comprehensive photomosaics that both side developed allowing commanders a far greater appreciation of their strategic position.
Outstanding video in every way. Production quality, narrative, just everything. There were a lot of interesting things, like the individual switches for gauge lighting, bomb sight, and the observers stick storage.
Chris thanks, excellent, we begin to get a sense of the type and the difficulties and adversities of the ww1 pilots.
Very informative as usual. Interesting bomb sight.
Excellent quality video and aside from the content it reminds me of how much I enjoy history or industrial & military heritage in general.
I really can see "Bismark" as a presenter on commercial broadcast/streaming history programmes in future.
nice work Bismarck. very polished. I see a career looming.
Excellent work.
Simply more fantastic work Bis. Fantastic.
I wanna fly one of these.
Getting pro Bismarck, like it!
Great video, thanks! (And some nice colloquial English too - well done).
Excellent! A new video :)
Daaamn, that channel is exactly what I was always hoping for. Great stuff, keep it up! :>>
Cheers
Great video, big improvement in production quality too!
mk1 eyeball cracked me up
We need an episode on the hawkers typhoon
Yes! The WWII Typhoon (and Tempest?).
Definitely do more WW1 aircraft. I really am liking the style of these videos.
Still one of my favourite planes in "Rise of Flight".. very nicely modeled.
Thanks for sharing, very informative.
Please more videos of planes from WW1 and before. Always loved the old bi-planes.
Now I want to see you in a Sopwith Camel, or an S.E.5... Wonderful presentation though, and I look forward to the day you cover one of those two iconic fighters in the same way.
As well as the Spads... Albatrosses.... Oh..... guess you have a pretty long list! Not many people cover WWI aircraft the same way as you do though... so please, keep it up.
Shame the ‘Fee’ is hanging from the ceiling, that’s a cockpit vid I would love to see! The Sopwith Triplane & Dolphin would both be great contenders for other videos in this series though! Loving all the WW1 content! 😁
Any more WW1 aircraft videos like this to come?
This is great stuff, haven’t seen much like it before.
When you're short on war materials, throw in Granny's patio furniture
It should be borne in mind that the R.E.8 was designed to serve as a stable platform for observation and reconnaissance, not to serve as a highly-maneuverable air-to-air fighter. (The difference between those two terms was that the term "observation", in the context of WW-I flying, generally meant directing the fire of the artillery, rather than reconnoitering the enemy's positions and movements). It should also be understood that, while frequently criticized, the R.E.8 was actually a marked improvement over the aircraft it was designed to succeed, the pre-war B.E.2C, because the R.E.8 pilot was seated IN FRONT of the observer. That gave the R.E.8 several important advantages over its' predecessor. First, the observer had a vastly improved view from which to carry out his tasks. Second, the observer enjoyed a far more effective field of fire for his defensive machine gun which, in the old B.E.2C, had been impeded by the wings above and below him, not to mention the numerous struts and wires surrounding his position. Third, the pilot had a much better view for taking off, flying and landing, because his view was not obstructed by having the observer seated in front of him. Much of the poor reputation for which the R.E.8 is remembered stems from the fact that, despite the fact that it was built in large numbers, it was markedly inferior to other contemporary British two-seat aircraft, such as the D.H.4 and Bristol Fighter.
A wonderful video
Awww Dang Bismarck, *GREAT VIDEO* and great content to relate. "Harry Tate" doesn't only rhyme with R.E.8 -- that's part of the whole idea of "Cockney Rhyming Slang".
And Harry Tate with a propeller mustache? *LULZ!*
Love the R.E.8
14:25 War Thunder: "THERE IS A HOLE IN YOUR LEFT WING!!"
Granddad was in 59 squadron RFC. This squadron is famous for losing an entire flight of 6 RE8's to German fighters in 5 minutes.(13th April 1917). The RE8 had the highest casualty rate in the RFC/RAF in WW1.
Granddad was lucky in that he flew in the squadrons Bristol Fighters. Some sources state that only RE8's were flown - well I have a relative from that squadron who says different - and he was there!
Artificial horizon?? Are you sure that's not some kind of gimbaled compass/inclinometer gadget? I've neve heard of artificial horizons from that era.
Could you do a video of the evolution & performance of the Curtiss P-40 Warhawk?
Well, at least the airspeed indicator is INSIDE the cockpit 😅
Ian Mccullum from forgotten weapons is “Gun Jesus”
are you “plane Jesus”?
Mike 32haha Does that make Drachinifel “Ship Jesus?”
WhatsOperaDoc probably 😂😂
And, as we all know, Chieftain is Tank Jesus
Well, Ian has the Jesus head and facial hair down, thus his moniker. Bismarck has neither.
Nein! He is the Purple pants Barron!
I have two picture frames made from an RE8 propeller, from a plane that crashed in 1917 at Suez.
Experienced pilots had no problem changing from BE2s to RE8s, vide 34 Squadron and 14 Squadron.
I noticed that the propeller of the R.E. 8 spins in a clockwise direction, while mosy WWI planes that I have seen have propellers that spin in the opposite direction. Was there a reasn for the difference?
Probably a silly question but how did the observer call in corrections for artillery strikes? Did they use flares? Drop message canisters? Pigeons... ?
They used a wireless radio hooked up to a Morse key to transmit corrections for the fall of shot.
Oh no the plane is on fire!
Why a four bladed propeller and not the usual two , as in the fighters? ✌️🇬🇧🏴
Am I the only one who likes reconnaissance planes over fighters in WW1?
Will there be a profile on the Bristol F.2 Fighter?
Better still - go through each aircraft of the Shuttleworth Collection!! 👍
Do you also can make a Video about the Fokker Dr 1 or the Albatros Bomber please?
Yay!!!!!
those huge intake ? exhaust ? pipes on top of the engine look like they were welded on by an apprentice steam ship designer in a fit of aesthetic incompetence ! what were those four pipes under the engine for ?
Is it a new bird? I visited RAF London couple of times, but don't remember this one... Also, I didn't get to sit in any of them :(
Do you know which generation of aircraft introduced trim tabs to keep them level at various altitudes and speeds?
Was the Pilot's Lewis Gun belt fed? or did he have to swap in ammo drums as well??
This was belt fed.
What had a lower life expectancy? Flying one of these or one of the fighters at the time.
I would like to get information about an ancestor of mine his name was captain Maurice Felix West he was an observer in a RE8 aircraft.He was killed in action on the 22.7 1918 would anyone be able to help me please if possible some photos of him please
So is this thing even flown or is it just for looking at...
How was air to ground communication performed during the First World War?
How did the observation aircraft work with the artillery?
Morse code?
They used wireless radio set and a Morse key to transmit messages to correct the fall of shot. 👍
Do "In Defense of the worst aircraft in World War II: Brewster F2A Buffalo" and "In Defense of the Worst Aircraft of World War II: Lavochkin Gorbunov-Gudkov LaGG-3".
So this is basically a Po-2
But made in Britain, during ww1
Martijn po 2 was a typical trainer of its era , ever seen a de Havilland Tiger moth ? The plane most Commonwealth pilots started on in WW2
Martijn oh no. The Po-2 was much better than this death trap. No matter how apologetic the host is trying to be, there’s a reason it got replaced by the DH-9 and the Bristol f2 fighter (BrisFit).
Obviously the pilot seat was cheap and easy to manufacture.. plus, the pilots really wouldn’t be flying in just a shirt, so a thick jumper, flying jacket etc.. would presumably provide more padding and comfort..
Being sarcastic and cynical - the Government of the day didn't bother about things like "comfort"? Certainly not when tbe average life expectancy for WWI aircrew was only 12 days!! (Poor buggers!! RIP all those brave young men!!)
Personally, I think i'd rather take my chances in the trenches than go up in a "Harry Tate". At least then I'd have a chance to not get burned alive in a petrol fire. I can only boggle at the boffins as the factory going "we know best, we're scientists" and ignoring the feed-back from the poor sods who had to fly it. Bloody April owes a LOT to this pig of a plane. Only the Fairy Battle in '39 comes close to being such a deathtrap against a decently flown fighter. Or the Defiant. Or the Blenheim. Hum..... What IS it with us Brits?
I just started reasing chickenhawk, any chance of an inside rhe huey ;)
Excellent book. I read that one 35 years ago.
@@poppys3728 yeah it is. Im not a reader, i almost never finish a book but once i started with tbis one i couldnt stop..."one more page,one more" then after 50 more od quite for the day xD
I don't think they had huey's in WWI.
Don't fly this plane with BO, you know he's bound to screw with your flight stick with his own personal stick in the back.
Plane Jesus?
Do you mean 'morale of its own pilots' ?
After finding out about Mark Felton Prductions' TH-cam channel, I'm sorry but his videos are much more interesting and plus he's an actual historian.
The aircraft in the video is not one of the two surviving originals but a replica made in 2011 in New Zealand.
I loved this plane in Rise of Flight. Putting a light bombload under it and 2 gun turret made it a beast.
Had so much fun flying with a friend.
PILOT'S SUGGESTIONS,TOO DEPRESSING,-AND IGNORED !!--HOW BLOODY TYPICAL-!!-"DON'T TELL US,--WE'LL TELL YOU"--
Looks like a suicide machine. 103 mph top speed. Poor manoeuvrability. Tricky handling characteristics. Wouldn't give much for the crews' chances.
New, inexperienced pilots complaining that the aircraft must be broken because they can't fly it?
Sound's like IL-2 GB forums...
i would enjoy more plane in film and less harry tate // funnie how we always think the back storie is so importiant // this is in the cockpit and we get mini clipas with poor lighting .. no views of guages like fuel and switch boxes but small views // too bad; butt you've missed it //
Did he just call this thing the *_”Hairy Taint”?_*
No, Harry Tate.
Would have been more correct to call it 'arry 'ate, as in the good old days.
Plephora etc. Typical millennial lazy speech. If you're going to present an item, try to speak as though you care, that you are professional and set an example. You have to pace you narration; slow down.