NO NAILS??? -How to: CRISP MITERED RETURNS with NO NAILS!!!
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- Window stools and aprons are a lot of fun to install. In this video we dive into how to install a stool/apron combo moulding using mitered returns and CA glue. We also cover how to measure, some cool jigs, tips for accurate glue ups, and install process.
This is my preferred CA glue. I've used it for a decade. I like the "thick" viscosity.
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0:00 Intro To Aprons
00:33 Stool, Apron, or Both?
2:04 A Simple Jig to Measure Apron Length
5:28 How to Measure Stool/Apron Length
6:31 What is a Mitered Return?
7:24 How to Cut a Mitered Return
9:39 How to Attach a Mitered Return
12:24 Tricks Using CA Glue for Return Pieces
15:33 Tricks for a Good Installation
17:34 Conclusion
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This is my preferred CA glue. I've used it for a decade. I like the "thick" viscosity.
FastCap 2P-10 Super Glue Adhesive 2.25 Ounce Thick and 12 Ounce Activator Combo Pack - amzn.to/3euDEXF (Amazon - Earns Commissions)
FastCap 2P-10 RT 10 oz Rubberized All Purpose Wood Formula Thick Adhesive - amzn.to/3MAqCVo (Amazon - Earns Commissions)
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Jus wanted to tell you thanks for all your videos because you I have been able to take my trim game to a whole new level to support me and my family thanks
That’s the goal. Thanks! 👍👊
I’m so relieved to see you square cut your return from the back. I always felt like I shouldn’t be doing that but with a sharp blade it cuts without chipping out the face
I sure wish TH-cam would have been around in the early 80’s. I’m self taught and relied on books and this old house and the new Yankee workshop to learn from. Guys and gals have it made today as long as they have the abilities. Not to mention the desire !!!
You don't need to be a newbie to find value here! Thank you for your focus in your trade.
Spencer, that is exactly how I have been doing it for over 30 years. The only difference between you and me is that I normally have to pry my fingertips from the trim. In some areas I just CA glue the trim in place, especially where I think a nail might split the wood. By the way, I noticed you use a mechanical pencil to mark with. I hired a "trim carpenter" one time and first thing he does is drag out the flat carpenter pencil that was marking a quarter inch line. I asked to see his pencil and promptly threw it out into the woods somewhere and told him to go out and get a .5mm mechanical pencil. He started doing better work after that. Excellent video my friend.
The design, measurements, etc at about the 3:30 are fantastic. This is what separates excellence from average.
Crispy - so awesome. The only downside of your video posts is that I keep doing "just one more video" so I don't get much sleep. Ha ha. You do such an amazing job explaining the process in everything you do. Great great job and THANK YOU!!! Cheers from Wisconsin.
I find myself going down a Spencer Lewis rabbit hole nightly..... Great videos and very educational.
I like your tip of leaving the return a bit long for a nice tight fit. Thanks for all the great info.
I am glad you have the integrity to have a lapel Mic on when you are recording , as so many you tube video's sound quality are hard to hear well.
Thanks from all of us that value the extra expense to insure you are heard clearly.
Absolutely love the content you make! All the knowledge and details are amazing! I appreciate your channel!
Spencer, you rock dude !!!! love your work and detail. Thanks
You've become my go-to for finish carpentry. You are top-notch bro. 👍
For bright work, another advantage of cutting returns continuously from the same piece of stock, rather than batch cutting, is visual continuity of grain and color as the molding shape wraps around the corner. Always good times when your client appreciates (and will pay you for) that level of attention to detail...
This is excellent content and just so much on trim details we often forget and often need refreshed on. When I go to a new job I research all your videos on that subject , review them and make notes and drawing on a job site sketch pad I buy at staples! This is where details make the difference and where I keep getting GC calling me! Such a valuable source Spence I do whatever I can to support you brother!
I’ve used CA glue for lots of applications, but never mitered returns. Great tip + no more broken return pieces when you’ve nailed your last dozen at the end of the day. Thanks for another useful skill tip & professional, but humble presentation!
I kept thinking Spencer was going to say “stool softener”. 😂 great video as usual!
Again, thank you for all the videos. You’re an excellent carpenter and great at teaching!
Thank you for your videos,you are one of the best trim carpenters that I have ever seen,keep up the good .
Mind blowing! I love the way you explain the best methods of application. I’m a novice and my workshop is a rag tag setup outside. Your videos give me great insights and confidence to do a better job. Thank you so much!
I appreciate the work you put into each video! I get thrown into trim work once in a while. (Primarily a framer) I have used nearly everything I have learned from your videos. You definitely have helped up my interior trim game.
I really appreciate every single one of your videos I’ve been a commercial carpenter for 15 years so I don’t get a whole lot of hands on but I watch all your videos for tips and tricks for my house projects and side jobs. Your tips definitely take my skills up a notch thank you
CA glue is a Godsend...love it!
This is exactly how I do these and it always impresses. Sometimes you have to 2 piece stubby sills (seats) and skirts on windows with jamb extensions, then I add a couple of biscuits between the jamb and sill on wide windows or they want to separate and nailing the center is awkward. Best finish carpentry channel on TH-cam
I have 2-1/2” stool to add to the jamb extension. I’m guessing you would recommend biscuits and gluing to get the stool flush with the extension. I’m worried about cracking along the joint. Thoughts? Also live in Canada so not sure if that will be a concern also?!
You’re an incredible carpenter. I love all your content and I’ve learned so much. Thank you!
this guy is the real deal, so listen up. he is that good.
Thanks again Spencer. Your tips always helpful!
Your mitered returns look so nice and thanks for the great tips!!!
Nicely done !
Good stuff Spencer!!
Perfect job. Great inside 👍
That is beautiful!
Great tips as always Spencer. I just wish I had CA glue back in my trimming days.
Watched this video now my front door, my ceiling fan, and my toaster oven all have aprons and stools now👍🏼🤣
Excellent job
Thanks for the info. Keep up the great work.
Haha the hard part for me was never assembling it ,it was getting the hang of that thing flying 110 miles in any direction it wants off the saw.
With paint grade MDF, I’ve used hot glue for the same effect. Thanks for documenting these details.
Good old combination square works good too!
Spencer you are a Master carpenter👍💪
Great work.
Great video!
Looks Great 👍
Awesome, I’m in the southwest (AZ) and couldn’t believe they they don’t trim out windows here. I did some basic jambs and casing upstairs in the bedrooms but I want to do proper sills and aprons in the main living area. Good stuff man!
Good tip on return cuts
Terrific technique.
I always used the Andersen stools. Then just started to just picture frame the windows for less work. This is a great alternative. Thanks
Thank you for your videos! You are amazing!
Great explanation
Great video
You are in my opinion the best trim carpenter on TH-cam bro, maybe the best in the country too. I subscribe to quite a few channels that i watch but i usually skip through their videos here and there especially if they are over 10 minutes long. But yours i will just sit and watch through the entirety because you are a great teacher. Where do you live? I wanna come work for you lol
Another advantage of cutting returns out of the same piece is the grain wrapping around the miter which is a must for stain grade casing
I’ve always strained this detail, that said it’s hard for me to explain it to a helper. In the future, I’m going to show them this video first.
you are professional bro, good luck.
Thanks,I always wondered how it was done.
Clean good job
YOU ARE THE BEST.
Thanks l Learn today with you you are a pro
Good method with the CA glue. Problem with sharp corners is the paint or finish. It does need a little break for the painters sake. I do both most times and I'm getting old so take that for what its worth.
Wow this stuffbis so neet i wish i had studied this when i was younger
I feel confident to make stool all over my house now.
Depending on molding size, cutting miter returns can be a good time to break out the zero clearance sub fence.
Love my ca
Awsome work . A person can learn good tips that show quality.
super
Great video! You a real professional. I have been using 2p10 for years and have to say there was a bit of a learning curse since I had been using titebond. I used to have the glue oozing out onto my fingers which would then have me stuck to the molding. I would use a fresh razor to cut it off me at the end of the day, hahha! Stuff is no joke!! I had a hard time sourcing the activator with covid. I still dont have any lol
Is that Apron an Anderson piece or sourced somewhere else ? Beautiful !
CA glue where was it when I was glueing and tacking all those windows and chair rail man once again damnit man JK great video exactly how to do this work with the best results possible and you are absolutely right to cut your returns out of the same stock I learned it the hard ended up with most of the returns in the TRASH. Thanks for sharing
when you decide to to a traveling show .... got a project in Minneapolis .. all expenses paid
Hey Spencer, great video! If you have time, can you create a tutorial at a slower pace for creating the returns? Any tips would be appreciated - my brain hurts trying to figure these out!
We'll done Spencer. Another good video. 2P-10 and other CA glue has been a huge game changer for me. I can now do high end prefinished crown/riser/light rail in about 1/3 the time than before. BTW, wood glue does not adhere to mitered end grain so it is really being supported by your 23gauge pins only.
For a simple return I am very comfortable with the adhesion. I use it all the time without pins for returns.
Wood glue DOES adhere to "mitered end grain". You need to coat both pieces of wood then, apply pressure for approximately 1 hour before it sets. 24 hours full cure strength (stronger than CA glue). Although, CA glue is plenty strong on it's own for trim.
When ever I am about to do a stool I usually have a seat on the toilet first.
Gel super glue from the dollar store ,way cheaper just as good for this application.
Your bottom piece is my top on a current job where I am trimming out the new top floor in a craftsman style with that on top? I know Spence I just roll with it their choice? Anyway based on priors I skipped the returns and router the edges over and offset is a 1/2” & bottom 1x2 is a 1/4”. Once painted not bad? I did remove one of the double beaded profile to make it flow better? Very fiddly but in the end at least they all match and fit their taste! ?
Very cool … I think you can just lightly wet each side with water. Then use the ca , no activator needed.
I used to build houses when I was younger I’m 55 now and some things never change.. plumb level and square! But the tools sure have🙂 I miss the trade and you are a very skilled worker I always took to attention to detail. Thanks for the great videos. Is it standard for painters to caulk around all the casing before they paint?
Thanks! yes, painters caulk literally everything.
I really like the casing and apron profile, so you have a link to them or can you tell me what model or type they are? I’m building a new house and would love to case my windows just like this. Thanks in advance
Is CA glue more economical than HyperPUR for the miter returns? Or do you use CA glue because there's no setup required to use it (plugging in HyPUR or charged batteries etc)?
Hipur is too thick and not necessary for this type of application. CA glue is the best choice for a variety of reasons. Easy to grab and use. Super thin so it creates a perfectly tight joint. The joint won't be stressed so you don't need the strength of hipur.
Can the CA activator be used with stain-grade wood? Does it finish ok?
Use Hi-PUR glue instead of CA ?
Too hard to clamp Hi-PUR ?
Which is stronger ?
Really like that stool design. who makes it and what is the style number?
40120-CA
Great video Spencer ' can you tell me what the ear piece is that you wear around your neck please
Its a retractable bluetooth headset. BCS-700 I think. amzn.to/3rWaAeL
Does ca glue, work s for expansion and contra..
Do they caulk that miter return at end of the apron?
I have the same setup with Andersen windows and extension jambs installed. I have looked through some lumber yard trim catalogs without luck. Any thoughts on where I could find the stool/apron combination trim piece?
Koetter Woodworking 40120 CA
Do you use the different thickness glue for different wood
I like the thick viscosity for everything.
Does anyone know where to find that moulding he is using for the sill?
Is that a pneumatic brad nailer I saw in the floor?!...I thought you were using Milwaukee cordless nailers almost exclusively? Just curious what guns you're using for what? I've been using dewalt cordless nailers and haven't been satisfied with how often they don't set nails.
I use both. I still like air for bulk nailing. Cordless are too heavy to use all the time. Hard on the shoulders.
With window molding would you suggest attaching a curtain rod holder to the molding or to the drywall?
Put it on the drywall so the curtains cover all of the trim when closed and open wider. Blinds should be fitted inside the jamb so they are recessed
@@ydnark83 Attaching to the drywall also makes for a much easier patch/repair should you ever decide to remove the curtain rod or change styles. Fixing detailed casing is more work then mudding drywall.
Spencer, you talked about a 1/4” reveal…. Do you do a reveal also on the bottom where the stool meets the extended window jamb? Or do you prefer that flush? What’s typical?
I always leave a reveal in that situation. It needs the offset to look good over time unless you're gluing up the whole thing with biscuits and sanding...which takes a ton of time and is hard to execute correctly.
@@InsiderCarpentrywhat if the stool is 2-1/2” deep? What do you think would be the best method of attaching this to the jamb extensions? Also amazing work! A lot to aspire to!!!!
I know you’ve got a list for the casing why no just and an inch to the long point of the top or 8.25 to the short?
Either way works just fine. I generally favor whatever is simpler for my adhd brain.
I see guys spraying the activator on their saw table or saw wings like you did here. Does the activator harm or mar these machined and wood surfaces?
On machinery, it pops right off. Anything you have to scrape off excess with a chisel. Doesn't harm anything.
Maybe you have addressed this Q, but wondering where you got the miter saw extensions?
He made them custom. He does have several videos on the different versions throughout the years.
Dam it I'm 3Rd
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Better luck next time. ;)
@@InsiderCarpentry Hello spencer ,very impressed for your influencer video ,How can I get you email so I have some sample for you to help me with demo in amazon?Thanks
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Nice work and looking returns. What wood filler do you use for the nail holes….have a fav product or brand?
Enjoy your vids as not only do you show your work; but show “how to do” the work👍🏻👍🏻
Cheers☺️
You were cutting this apron upside down and backwards weren’t you? Help me with that please. Thanks.
ok I will end with a joke ?
The carpenter said to his apprentice “what’s wrong with that man”? The apprentice said “oh he has that problem called -“dunlop”-. The carpenter said “yea , what’s that”?
The apprentice said “His belly -“dun-loped”- over his belt, you know “Dunlop”!
Or “TB”? The Carpenter “how so”?
The apprentice “the man has -“Two Bellies”- TB!
Ok Spence tell that to the boys so your wife can lecture you on ?
Hi my friend, how to cooperate with you?
great stuff thanks boss
We've always called this a return on itself...
We've always called it a mitered return
Why make it complicated 😕 it's a return
Nicely done!