Magic rig is a really budget friendly alternative and might be a bit more convenient for you because they implemented a nato rail system as well, Pretty much the exact same thing and works well with the less expensive small rig pieces
Check out the smallrig 2247, does so that you can screw your speedbooster onto the cage, which is convenient because the camera doesn't turn inside the cage and it removes micro jidders from the lens when you focus, if there is any play between the speedboster and camera like there are for some people.
That hand grip likely doubles as an SSD holder. If so, I strongly recommend stashing your SSD inside of it to avoid cage clutter. The DockCase USB C to USB C Cable 3.1 Gen 2 (.7 ft) is a near perfect fit if you go that route.
My friend actually has one like that. This handle is not one that you are able to add an SSD into but that's a good idea for a further modification. I kind of like having it on top just because it allows me to quickly get to it if I need to. But you're right that it would probably help with cable management and compactness of the rig.
Yeah, I have the handle that holds the SSD. Love it! Keeps it even more compact. John's right in that his rig gives you easier access to the SSD which can be great for situations like something run and gun where your'e shooting and dumping quickly. That's the great thing about the camera, it gives you so many options!
With the v-mount on the top right of the camera, does it get int he way with any of the buttons like for the false color and lut? Or even the white balance and shutter settings?
@@FrameVoyager Thank you for all your videos! I've had a BMPCC4k for the past 2 years and finding youtube video tips that aren't 3 years old has been so helpful!
Thanks! I use a mixture of LD finishing luts with my own grade for braw. I'm (John) not an expert color grader and will never claim to be. There are others on our team that are really good at it. Might do a video on that in the future!
Yes, unfortunately. It's not common or likely but we have an article one of our community members is writing on thai topic that I will post when it's done! Best advice I can give you now is to just power off your device when plugging in just to be extra cautious
I have been back and forward with v mount vs npf solutions and the more videos you see the more options you might consider but if travel light is your style i believe the v mount is a bit too much because even if you can see the screen you are bulding a big rig haha personal opinion. I have been working with my p4k for a year and a half now and one thing i notices is than half of my jobs i can do them with 3 npf 970 batteries they run for at least 3/4 hours each so if you don't want to use an external monitor you can use an npf plate the small rig one is really well made on the left side of the rig next where the connections are and use your mic position where your v mount it is, also you will gain more room in the handle as i don't like so much have that space full of stuff to operate. That could be my recommendation to travel light and run an gun scenario but it is just another one, everyone has their own evolution of the rig these days haha Good content my friend
I like that! I'll have to try that configuration at some point. I really like how it's built because of how it fits in my hard case. I don't have to take anything apart. It can be problematic how heavy it is with a v-mount battery but I can always take it off and let the internal battery run if needed. I've been able to, multiple times, shoot handheld for moving interviews for over an hour. But I've still found this easy to use when on the run, I just never have to think changing batteries for most of the day. But your rig makes total sense too! Like you said, everyone has their own variations of rig designs that they like and what works for them! I just wanted to share mine to give others ideas and to hear from others on how they design their rigs. Thanks for sharing!
@@danyalvisuals great question! Filming a video right now on that actually! But a use qnap nas and then am developing a hybrid system that I'll show in my upcoming video!
I don't always use them, but a lot of times if I'm out shooting run and gun, I like to have a last resort backup mic to pick up anything unexpected or at least capture audio if something messes up with a lapel mic. Though, honestly I'll use 2 wireless lapels at one with this camera too. All really depends on the setup and what I'm filming, so in this video I was trying to show a broad range of things that I attach to my cage system.
@@blaqbeeproduction6150 appreciate it! Love that the content is helping you out! Feel free to leave any comments if you have any questions. I usually respond in a day or so.
Hey bro, I’ve just bought a black magic 4k for my first camera and I’m wanting to do run and gun promotional content jobs for festivals, events, hotels, music videos etc. I’ve now been reading about people saying that the poor auto focus capabilities of the black magic 4k makes it a poor choice for my line of work. It arrives tomorrow so I still need to play around with it and learn how to focus it on my DJI rs 3 pro gimble. Do you think it would be better to get something like the Sony fx3 or fx30 for its auto focus? As I’m worried that I could mess up footage because I’m in intense environments and haven’t properly focused whilst shooting. Loved the video :)
@@billpolitis2831 nope! 😂 Can't say it's not in my plans to get a sigma but I like the panasonic lens! It works well for my run and gun travel/doc/vlog style content
hey man, I'm diggin the run and gun approach on the rig.. Now, since i see you also use Canon with the Viltrox, let me ask you, have you had any issues with the auto focus and image stabilizer, cause mine ain't working.. only the iris control works
Hey! Thanks! Good question. I have had some issues. For me it depends on the lens but I usually try and just use mft lenses. Easier and lighter and works natively with the punch-in focus and IS. Plus I've noticed the image being super soft and susceptible to odd glares and other issues. But this was only with some lenses.
@@FrameVoyager I have also noticed the image being super soft at times. Is this because of the Viltrox you think? Because I used the exact same setup for my gh5 for two years, but never had that problem. So I wondered if it was something wrong with my bmpcc4k. And it usually solves it to just crank up the aputure. But it doesn't happen all the time. Almost looks like the clip is out of focus plus being really soft. Never happens on my mtf lenses tho
Yeah, I'm going to be getting a meta bones to test out here soon and see if that makes a difference. I did shoot something for a client that I couldn't tell that the image looked soft the entire time until I'd open it up on a bigger screen. It's almost as if it had a glare from a light or something across the middle that made it look soft. It also could have been the lens I was using as well. I'm still trying to experiment to see if that's because of the adapter or the lens. I prefer to use MFT lenses with the BMPCC4K anyways because they tend to be a lot lighter and easier to travel with. I also think they hold up pretty good image wise.
Thanks! And no, have never really liked using one or the hassle of setting it up. I build mine to almost be ore-built right out of my hard case. But hey, maybe I should try using one again
@@FrameVoyager I've heard cases of the HDMI port dying. So yea, of you don't need the monitor just use it without one. Otherwise make sure the cable is secured and isn't flopping around
@@8lec_R I've seen that happening to a ton of people! Actually have been gathering information on why it does this and how to avoid it for future videos. Main reason seems to be using the battery for multiple things at once.
hey nice content, subcribed for sure, been so useful and grateful to found ur channel ! I want to ask, about the shock mount on left side of your wood grip for audio, do you think that steady enough for run and gun shooting ? did you find any shakky noise or anything after shooting ?
Hey! Thanks for the sub! I've not had any issues so far with with it having any distortions in the audio if I use that setup. For me all the options that have it float always wear out over time and ended bending down into the frame from the weight of the shotgun mic. I like how it just locks it in place and keeps it from moving without adding any distortions for the most part.
thanks for your detail ! will figure it out soon how to place my NTG5 on my bmpcc4k 😅 love ur content man, hope you can keep making and helping people out there. I would suggest Tips and tricks / audio hacks ! 🤩
My grip for my BMPCC4K is my battery. An Indie Pros Battery Power Grip. It can power both my camera and external monitor. But I'm thinking of getting a V-mount battery component for the bottom rails I have. I know you say you don't like it, but it's a personal choice.
In my opinion, small rig is the cheapest option. For what they have, they are frequently the only option, or are cheaper than others (I'm looking at YOU Tilta). It isn't cheap to machine bullet aluminum and for the quality you get, I think Small Rig is the best value. I'd certainly rather spend more to get something that protects my gear and works well rather than saving money and getting stuff that breaks, or will if I drop something.
This is without a doubt the maddest rig I’ve ever seen. Credit to the imagination. V lock on top 😲
Why thank you 😏 still rock it to this day
Haha! I agree. I will have to post my build.
This is by far the best simple run and gun setup i have seen for the pocket 4k
Appreciate it! Working on one for the P6K Pro and the URSA G2 right now. I like small compact setups
@@FrameVoyager i was looking forward to purchase the pocket 4k with a viltrox speed booster and cheap lens kits do you any good suggestions on this ?
Just bought almost everything here as my starter set up. Hoping to test it at Disneyland next week. Thanks for all the great info.
Sweet! It's such a great camera. Come say hi in the discord group and show off what you film with it sometime!
@@FrameVoyager I appreciate that. I have a lot to learn. Heh.
Magic rig is a really budget friendly alternative and might be a bit more convenient for you because they implemented a nato rail system as well, Pretty much the exact same thing and works well with the less expensive small rig pieces
Good to know! I'll have to do a review of that as well. Thanks for the suggestion!
That V lock on the top is a great idea. I should be able to get that setup and put it onto a E-Image GH08.
Check out the smallrig 2247, does so that you can screw your speedbooster onto the cage, which is convenient because the camera doesn't turn inside the cage and it removes micro jidders from the lens when you focus, if there is any play between the speedboster and camera like there are for some people.
Good suggestion!
I love this rig. This is what a going for…
Sweet! All the links to all the parts are listed below
Is it comfortable if you need the buttons below the v mount? can you even see them and touch them?
New here in your channel 👍. Great video man. Love the smallrig. Thanks for the info and keep rocking. You’re almost at 1K!
Appreciate it!
That hand grip likely doubles as an SSD holder. If so, I strongly recommend stashing your SSD inside of it to avoid cage clutter. The DockCase USB C to USB C Cable 3.1 Gen 2 (.7 ft) is a near perfect fit if you go that route.
My friend actually has one like that. This handle is not one that you are able to add an SSD into but that's a good idea for a further modification. I kind of like having it on top just because it allows me to quickly get to it if I need to. But you're right that it would probably help with cable management and compactness of the rig.
Yeah, I have the handle that holds the SSD. Love it! Keeps it even more compact. John's right in that his rig gives you easier access to the SSD which can be great for situations like something run and gun where your'e shooting and dumping quickly. That's the great thing about the camera, it gives you so many options!
This video was so helpful. Thank you!
great video, I see very little shoulder rigs for the 6k and 4k pocket, would love to see how you attach this to a shoulder rig.
That's a great idea! I'll have to make an episode of that here soon.
@@FrameVoyager ""How to fit the smalrig (Pocket 6k) on a shoulder rig"" or something like that.
Why the Samsung t5 & not the Sandisk Extreme Pro? The read & write speeds are so much faster.
With the v-mount on the top right of the camera, does it get int he way with any of the buttons like for the false color and lut? Or even the white balance and shutter settings?
Nope! I can still press all of them
@@FrameVoyager Thank you for all your videos! I've had a BMPCC4k for the past 2 years and finding youtube video tips that aren't 3 years old has been so helpful!
what camera was used to record with? Do you still recommend the 4K in 2023?
Oh yeah! Still love these cameras and have 2 of them and I used a pocket 4k to film this video.
What a nice rig. How do you pull your focus with this setup?
Thanks! I pull focus by kind of resting the bottom of the camera on my wrist and manually pull focus.
1:24 Till this moment, I din't notice that there haha
I still forget haha
It s a 150 wh or 90wh battery ? And the plate is it work with a 150 wh ?
Amazing color, whats your LUT? Could you share?
Thanks! I use a mixture of LD finishing luts with my own grade for braw. I'm (John) not an expert color grader and will never claim to be. There are others on our team that are really good at it. Might do a video on that in the future!
Is it possible to fry your blackmagic when you connect it directly to the vmount battery?
Yes, unfortunately. It's not common or likely but we have an article one of our community members is writing on thai topic that I will post when it's done!
Best advice I can give you now is to just power off your device when plugging in just to be extra cautious
@@FrameVoyager thanks. Would my camera be safer if i connected a Dtap to npf dummy to my monitor. And a DC cable to my bmpcc4k?
I have been back and forward with v mount vs npf solutions and the more videos you see the more options you might consider but if travel light is your style i believe the v mount is a bit too much because even if you can see the screen you are bulding a big rig haha personal opinion. I have been working with my p4k for a year and a half now and one thing i notices is than half of my jobs i can do them with 3 npf 970 batteries they run for at least 3/4 hours each so if you don't want to use an external monitor you can use an npf plate the small rig one is really well made on the left side of the rig next where the connections are and use your mic position where your v mount it is, also you will gain more room in the handle as i don't like so much have that space full of stuff to operate. That could be my recommendation to travel light and run an gun scenario but it is just another one, everyone has their own evolution of the rig these days haha Good content my friend
I like that! I'll have to try that configuration at some point. I really like how it's built because of how it fits in my hard case. I don't have to take anything apart. It can be problematic how heavy it is with a v-mount battery but I can always take it off and let the internal battery run if needed. I've been able to, multiple times, shoot handheld for moving interviews for over an hour. But I've still found this easy to use when on the run, I just never have to think changing batteries for most of the day. But your rig makes total sense too! Like you said, everyone has their own variations of rig designs that they like and what works for them! I just wanted to share mine to give others ideas and to hear from others on how they design their rigs. Thanks for sharing!
What do you use for storage
@@danyalvisuals great question! Filming a video right now on that actually! But a use qnap nas and then am developing a hybrid system that I'll show in my upcoming video!
@@FrameVoyager okay mate. I’ve subscribed to you looking forward to it 🙏🏼
Why did you used both mic systèm on your rig?
I don't always use them, but a lot of times if I'm out shooting run and gun, I like to have a last resort backup mic to pick up anything unexpected or at least capture audio if something messes up with a lapel mic. Though, honestly I'll use 2 wireless lapels at one with this camera too. All really depends on the setup and what I'm filming, so in this video I was trying to show a broad range of things that I attach to my cage system.
@@FrameVoyager thx a lot for thoose precision
Real y love your Channel help a lot with thé bmpcc4k i was beafor on the gh5 so very helpfull n
@@blaqbeeproduction6150 appreciate it! Love that the content is helping you out! Feel free to leave any comments if you have any questions. I usually respond in a day or so.
Hey bro, I’ve just bought a black magic 4k for my first camera and I’m wanting to do run and gun promotional content jobs for festivals, events, hotels, music videos etc. I’ve now been reading about people saying that the poor auto focus capabilities of the black magic 4k makes it a poor choice for my line of work. It arrives tomorrow so I still need to play around with it and learn how to focus it on my DJI rs 3 pro gimble. Do you think it would be better to get something like the Sony fx3 or fx30 for its auto focus? As I’m worried that I could mess up footage because I’m in intense environments and haven’t properly focused whilst shooting. Loved the video :)
If you shoot with a wide enough lens, focus won't even matter.
Which camera was used for this vlog and which lens?
Nice Video, Thanks!
Appreciate it! Used a Pocket 4k and a sigma 12-35mm
@@FrameVoyager Lumix 12-35??? not Sigma 12-35 sigma is 18-35. Am i right??? hahah !
Thanks
@@billpolitis2831 nope! 😂 Can't say it's not in my plans to get a sigma but I like the panasonic lens! It works well for my run and gun travel/doc/vlog style content
@@billpolitis2831 oh, duh. 😂😂😂 Yeah, a lumix haha. Been a long week 🙂
hey man, I'm diggin the run and gun approach on the rig..
Now, since i see you also use Canon with the Viltrox, let me ask you, have you had any issues with the auto focus and image stabilizer, cause mine ain't working.. only the iris control works
Hey! Thanks! Good question. I have had some issues. For me it depends on the lens but I usually try and just use mft lenses. Easier and lighter and works natively with the punch-in focus and IS. Plus I've noticed the image being super soft and susceptible to odd glares and other issues. But this was only with some lenses.
@@FrameVoyager I have also noticed the image being super soft at times. Is this because of the Viltrox you think? Because I used the exact same setup for my gh5 for two years, but never had that problem. So I wondered if it was something wrong with my bmpcc4k. And it usually solves it to just crank up the aputure. But it doesn't happen all the time. Almost looks like the clip is out of focus plus being really soft. Never happens on my mtf lenses tho
Yeah, I'm going to be getting a meta bones to test out here soon and see if that makes a difference. I did shoot something for a client that I couldn't tell that the image looked soft the entire time until I'd open it up on a bigger screen. It's almost as if it had a glare from a light or something across the middle that made it look soft. It also could have been the lens I was using as well. I'm still trying to experiment to see if that's because of the adapter or the lens. I prefer to use MFT lenses with the BMPCC4K anyways because they tend to be a lot lighter and easier to travel with. I also think they hold up pretty good image wise.
Thank you!
No problem! Hope it was helpful!
Thank you, that helped 🙏
Glad it helped you out!
Genius with the Vmount on top! I might copy that ;) No monitor tho?
Thanks! And no, have never really liked using one or the hassle of setting it up. I build mine to almost be ore-built right out of my hard case. But hey, maybe I should try using one again
@@FrameVoyager I've heard cases of the HDMI port dying. So yea, of you don't need the monitor just use it without one. Otherwise make sure the cable is secured and isn't flopping around
@@8lec_R I've seen that happening to a ton of people! Actually have been gathering information on why it does this and how to avoid it for future videos. Main reason seems to be using the battery for multiple things at once.
@@FrameVoyager thx for the info. Interesting.
I'm also gonna go look into it.
@@8lec_R anytime!
Dope!
Appreciate it!
hey nice content,
subcribed for sure,
been so useful and grateful to found ur channel !
I want to ask, about the shock mount on left side of your wood grip for audio,
do you think that steady enough for run and gun shooting ?
did you find any shakky noise or anything after shooting ?
Hey! Thanks for the sub! I've not had any issues so far with with it having any distortions in the audio if I use that setup. For me all the options that have it float always wear out over time and ended bending down into the frame from the weight of the shotgun mic. I like how it just locks it in place and keeps it from moving without adding any distortions for the most part.
thanks for your detail !
will figure it out soon how to place my NTG5 on my bmpcc4k 😅
love ur content man, hope you can keep making and helping people out there.
I would suggest Tips and tricks / audio hacks ! 🤩
My grip for my BMPCC4K is my battery. An Indie Pros Battery Power Grip. It can power both my camera and external monitor. But I'm thinking of getting a V-mount battery component for the bottom rails I have. I know you say you don't like it, but it's a personal choice.
How about focus?
I usually just do it by hand. Easier for my kind of work
In my opinion, small rig is the cheapest option. For what they have, they are frequently the only option, or are cheaper than others (I'm looking at YOU Tilta). It isn't cheap to machine bullet aluminum and for the quality you get, I think Small Rig is the best value. I'd certainly rather spend more to get something that protects my gear and works well rather than saving money and getting stuff that breaks, or will if I drop something.
do you really need all that stuff
Depends on the project
only problem I see is nailing focus
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