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lol I like how the dealer gave you a bunch of stuff to replace except for the part of the car that's actually broken... imagine someone getting all those repairs done that they recommended and then having the engine blow up few miles later.
It’s actually Sam’s fault he never asked to have the check engine diagnosed because he didn’t want to pay for it so that takes all Liability rt out of the dealers hands.. he’s actually stupid he should of had the work done they recommended and then when the car was still running like shit he could of not paid for the repairs as services were not rendered properly
@@cbruno12180”takes all liability right out of dealers hands” then suggest he doesn’t pay for service because the problem wasn’t fixed… lol you don’t make no sense!
@@cbruno12180 your plan is good up until the part where Sam has to fight Porsche for his $7,000 of useless repairs back.With Porsche it could come to lawyers and then its another 5 or 10 grand more to fight Porsche.
I like how you solved the fuel pressure issue by starting with the easiest thing, removing the intake manifold and then worked your way up to the most sophisticated action of pouring in a gallon of gas.
The first thing you do in troubleshooting is to run a through visual inspection, one that does not use tools. Incompetent or dishonest mechanics won't do that.
@@karlpeterson9334 AMEN!!!! I watch lots of repair videos and I am always shocked that they immediately go crazy scanning and scoping. Then when all else fails check gas, oil and battery. Also ignore oil and coolant levels that are low. I would insist oil and coolant be changed or brought up to proper level before you work on the car. That and a visual, should be first, not last. Fixing worn out suspension and aligning with bald tires sends me into orbit. A customer that does not care about the condition of their car and just wants you to patch it up should be rejected. They are usually the ones that want something for nothing and will accuse you of damaging their car to extort you for more. One of the greatest days of wrenching was when we fired such customer whose junk car needed thousands of dollars of work and tried that trick on us. We are still waiting on his lawyer to show up.
I must say I watched the full 46 minute video and not one minute of it was boring. My eyes and ears were fixed to everything being said, all parts being observed, tested and removed. Very interesting. Boy, I sure do wish there would be mechanics like you guys in our area. You are wise, intelligent and with a whole lot of common sense. That is what you call integrity! I have subscribed.
Lol right I love cars but find these kinda video boring and slow other people I watch but this guy I watched the whole video. I wish I could fix cars like this dude but I could never.
My mother-in-law brought her Toyota to a local Toyota Dealership for an oil change in Dublin, Ohio. They felt that she needed a brake job. She drive 3,000 miles per year and they were hardly worn. But what they did not mention the massive radiator leak that she had, the entire top of the radiator was encrusted with the pink Toyota antifreeze, what idiots...
You seem like the only TH-camr to stick with your original format.. no big HQ purchases and all these over the top antics that others feel like they need to do because they are more "successful." Keep things the way they are, it's what got you this far, and keeps people coming back! 👍🏻
Really enjoyed this video. You should post it all over social media and tag the Porsche dealer that was obviously trying to scam you for several thousand dollars and wouldn't have even fixed the issue. The management should be ashamed!
This got me interested in the Panamera in general. Looks like someone took all the normal German engineering cues, but forgot to make everything hard to get to and bizarrely placed.
Well replacing intake filter requires removing front bumper, also Panamera has the most electronic systems within porsche family, and some porsche indie shop straight refuse to repair them. There is a reason why 4-door porsche depreciates so much, whereas some 911 appreciates post pendenmic as well. Got one as a winter beater, can't wait to sell it this week, and back to tracking my 991.2 in summer
I didn't notice the length until you mentioned it. Great work. Love how you use common sense. Dealer would've had you pay $10,000 then your engine would have grenaded.
WOW !!!!!!!!! I have seen half a dozen of these V8 Models for sale , where the body and interior are good and the owners selling them for $2500-5000. And all saying Porsche has told them the Timing System & Cams are shot and it's going to require $10K to fix it or to be " safe " just replace the engine with a low miles used one. This Video has shown me what to look for now and hopefully find a Steal of a Deal that only needs $600-700 in parts and 20hrs of " I can easily do that job " time. THANK YOU for this video and addition to TH-cam University !! **** now it's time to find one .... ****
Hi Sam. I had the pleasure to meet you at Mancuso Auto Body a few years ago. I was impressed by what a good guy you are. Your videos are always great. Just the right blend of drama, information and positivity. Thanks 25:46
I picked up a 2010 panamera from auction with only 170k (kms) for under 10 grand. Luckily all engine updates were all done , plus I found receipts for all new brakes , new belts , rad , waterpump , etc. Hit the jackpot with this one , only 2 previous owners. Very happy with the car. Great video Sam! Great channel! 👍
@@philtucker1224 Likely because that’s what they’re going for at auction. That model year+mileage is around 13k-14k US at a dealership also, meaning that he lucked out on it being so well maintained, not that the price is anything special.
Hi Sam. Big fan. My fav is the Benz R500 wagon. Great deal. I have been watching for a few years, while waiting to buy my first car, in Seattle (I'm from NYC, L.A., and Providence}. I've worked on cars since I was 16, and computers the rest of the time. Your analysis is what I enjoy most, and I just purchased my first TopScan, based on your wonderful rundown of it's features (no liability on your part). I am sure I will have a good experience. Thanks for the knowledge, friend. I appreciate it. FYI, my best friend from third grade in L.A. got a '72 Mustang Fastback in ~1994, on which we did a restomod with his dad. We took the engine out, sent it to the paint shop, put the engine back in and drove around for a few months before we both had to retreat to the Northeast. It's nice work if you can get it. I am suscribed. Thanks again.
You gotta hand it to Samcrac, he knows how to make an entertaining video. I'm not even interested in Porsche cars or maintenance but I'm hooked from the get go.
He never asked the dealership to address the check engine light though, he just brought it in for the recall which they did fix. If he agreed to proceed with the work they quoted they know it wouldn't fix the car but he'd be liable for the work since he agreed to it, then they would quote the repair for the engine as something crazy high (he said 30 labor hrs workshop time for timing job in the video!!) and offer him a 'great trade in deal' towards one of their cars.
Wouldn't it be reasonable to have mechanic and service manager expose them to the error of there bad diagnostic and repair suggestions especially at $300 hr.
That price for plugs is absolutely beyond belief. The dealership should be thoroughly ashamed at just the level of greed at play here. I really hope the absurd pricing starts to push consumers who own these vehicles to look a bit beyond the dealership and seek out independent specialists instead. Great to see you get a 'win' as well Sam after a lot of issues with lemons!
It’s normal. If you don’t get a coupon or deal, oil changes for Porsches are a consistent $700-800. Plugs are 3 years or 30k miles. The best part, these prices are consistent whether it’s my 911 or my wife’s Macan. I skip the plugs, that’s a cash grab, but the oil changes are labor intensive and there’s little things they do that goes beyond just oil - like cleaning out water drain holes, etc.
@@markdauncey927 I would be highly surprised though might account for the ludicrous price..? Reading around though, this is just what Porsche charge for plugs. I would imagine coils on top of that would be at least $3000-$4000 more.
My mechanic wanted $200 to do my plugs, I was, nah.. I will do it myself. Simple job on my Turbo S Pano. My guy is a backyard Euro mechanic, you supply parts, he does all the labor. Legit guy. I have transitioned to Instagram mechanics… I did pay for the rotors and pads! $300. I supplied parts off internet. 🤷🏼♂️
Great vid Sam. Love the whole ...complete vid in one take. Don't mind the length at all. Just want to see the complete repair. Thanks for posting it this way. Super interesting.
Typical dealership tactics. Sell you thousands of parts you don’t need while your engine is about to explode. My Panamera needed motor mounts and I never bothered to replace them. PITA and not worth it.
@@SamcracI have always hated taking any of my cars to the dealership for ANY reason. I have been an ASE certified Level III mechanic for the last 23 years of my life and I can almost always figure things out for myself, but as far as a recall goes, I'd take it to them. I bought my BMW 135i and my water pump just failed, and I'm going to replace it on my own because I refuse to pay $5000 to have my electric coolant pump and thermostat replaced.
Love your optimism. I saw no room to work on the front of the engine. You were like, "plenty of room to get the timing cover off". More of this Sam. Awesome.
Best car video I’ve ever seen. All dealerships pull this crap. They recommend thousands of dollars in unneeded maintenance for the fast money and don’t address the real issue. Never go to a dealer if your car is outside warranty
@@earnestbunbury2103order out of chaos, divide and conquer work because of your mindset. The true opponents are the uniparty ruling class that if we come together they will be defeated. Thats what they fear most.
@@BeardMan01 the joke is, others couldn't do it, but he could in his pasture. Not that they're ripping anyone off, but that they were incapable altogether. In this case, the dealership didn't even properly diagnose the issue.
It's not even that the dealership couldn't do it. They're out to make big profits wherever they can, and for dealership service departments that means upselling on repairs and maintenance that aren't needed while avoiding putting in time to fix actual problems. Everybody wants money for nothing.
Absolutely love this content. Please feel free to post super long videos. I don’t mind them at all. I have long daily drives and can easily watch two or three of these long videos. It’s interesting how easy some of these repairs can be. I know they’re not always that way, but it’s still very interesting content. Thank you.
This is why I got into cars and maintenance. I couldn't handle the powerless feeling of taking my car into any mechanic and have them charge me whatever they want.
@@Terpenefiend I just TH-cam things that need to be fixed with my cars. You will need to buy A LOT of tools if you're just starting. LegitStreetCars helped me to like cool cars and now I like fixing them too.
You're not rookie. Kudos. Double kudos for having the nerve, initiative to get after this and the back to lean over the hood for 2 or 3 days! Good job.
Almost a million views in 3 days and you deserve all the praise you can get! I’m shocked by what that dealership tried to do. It’s criminal and I’m glad you actually encourage people to do their part of the homework so they don’t get scammed. I hope this reaches the right person at Porsche who can actually do something about what happened there. It’s criminal
Not being a mechanic, but these videos are just so fun to watch. Sam does more to a car engine with one hand while holding the phone with the other than most people can accomplish with both hands. LOL
Crazy how efficient your videos are. I see all harbor freight tools to work on a 90k car lol. Also, so cool to see how you buy these expensive cars for pennies on the dollar and you have tons of room to work on them. Thats one thing I like about Florida and Texas, it seems so awesome to have lots of property to play with.
You don't need to mess with timing replacing those adjuster bolts on the back. Since there's four the back case stays in place and you just replace one at a time. Those little bolts are NOT a lot of torque, only like 8nm and a 180 angle. However, if the bolts are loose or broken then the adjust itself should be replaced at which point timing would be dealt with.
You were so right to expose those dealer tactics, that’s how they make their mega profits (and probably why a 130k car is only worth 10k now.) in the U.K. we call them “rogue traders”…
30:22 one issue with the chinese timing kits? The chains are made of chinese playdonium. You might find yourself having to redo this job when the chain stretches beyond the tensioner's ability to take up the slack. It was a problem with sub-standard motorcycle chains too.
yeah, sad to cheap out with that. i wonder what the quality parts cost. Edit: Sam responded in another comment. He said, "So an OEM kit was around 4x more than the Amazon one. If this was a super special car or something rare I would've gone that route, but the purpose here was to see how much of a budget we could keep. So for everyone that is mad I used a cheap timing chain kit, let me know how many miles your cheap timing kit went before it gernaded? The guides are plastic on every kit. It really comes down to the longevity of the chain and tensioner..."
Long time subscriber but, I've been away for a while. Very glad I chose this video to re-introduce me to the channel. I'd say "as good as ever, maybe better". Solid pacing and editing and I think your narration has improved. The Florida sunshine makes the video bright and clear (maybe some better cameras?) In any case I'm thrilled to think I can still come to this channel and be enthralled. Looking forward to your next on this car and catching up on all the others that I missed. Thanks Sam!
@@AlexIsUber 1s gens offer more value for the money, I think you can find a fantastic deal on one atm and if you're mechanically inclined, there's few competitors for the money
Por -Sha! In the grass. Thanks for the pretty thorough diagnose and repair. Many years ago bought a Citroen SM with a claimed bad Maserati engine. Basically had the same problem(cam timing) but I did a full rebuild anyway.
The first time I heard someone correct another person with this auto name, I was 12 years old. Every single person I’ve heard correct another since then, has been the same dbag personality. I bet I could pick you out of a room full of people without knowing you
@@FuAzzi isn't that being willfully incorrect for no other reason than to be being mad and vindictive toward "douchebags"? They're probably annoyed at people who are willfully ignorant and confident that they are correct about something that's wrong, just because a bunch of people do it one way. "porshuh" is more correct to the originator of the car brand, Ferdinand Porsche. It's somebody's name. Saying "porsh" is literally the same as calling Chevrolet "shevroLET". So why does that make it douchey, to correct someone on it?
Ive got the turbo version of this engine. Coils are a common source of rough running and misfires FYI. The turbo version definitely does NOT have that much room up front for timing cover removal lol.
My Mazda dealer I’ve been with since 2015 takes great care of my car for a very reasonable price. My GMC dealer I’ve been with since getting my 2500 in 2021 charges >$250/hr, always tries to upsell me on some bs, and has more than once failed to fully address the issue I took the truck into them for. From what I’ve seen my Mazda dealer is a rare exception to the norm. Appreciate them a lot more since I’ve seen what other places are like.
Interesting - I have a similar experience with my Mazda dealer: great service. I wonder if that’s just luck? I don’t have a lot of other recent dealership experience to be able to compare, but many of the comments I see aren’t very positive.
as the consumer, you have to ask questions and have an idea of what/why you are bringing the car in for. Our Mazda (and Subaru) dealer always want $60 ($30 for filter + $30 for labor) to replace the cabin air filter. They always show me an extremely dirty filter packed w/leaves from trees we don't have AND the cars are garage kept. It takes 5 minutes to replace the filter on each car pulling the glove box door out. Filters are $14 from other places. Being somewhat knowledgeable can save you money.
That dealership was reaching for the moon on that quote, that's y they are called stealerships by us mechanics. One tip though on timing those, Make sure u bolt the cam locks down to the head for absolute perfect timing. These modern engines are so sensitive that even a degree off can cause issues or SES light, I have done the same thing before many times and it was fine but i found that bolting them down it would move a tiny bit more from where i had them set. Been a long time subscriber since the pizza car days and figured i would just offer a tip on timing, been a mechanic all my life and specialize in European. I work on pretty much everything but euro is where its at, There are also adaptations in the computer that should be reset for the variable cam timing along with a couple other things. You have come a long way since the early days man and when u freshly do a timing chain or have fuel system apart it will take a bit for fuel to get through HPFP and DI injectors. Even when u double check everything there is always a chance to miss something.
Great video Sam. I’ve had 2 Panamera turbos (970) and this same issue happens at around 145k miles. Dealer quoted me $23k to fix…. I ended up swapping the motor (and a bunch of other things) for less then half, because I didn’t know what the actual issue was.
That top engine mount is an anti torque mount. It is only in tension when you accelerate or deaccelerate with the engine. The other three are just to hold the engine up in place (the transmission mount is the 3rd).
Kudos Sam,,, these videos are the reason that I follow you,,, other than the Copart walk through (with sold price reveals, of course). Proud of ya for the diagnostic & repair. Inspiring....
How many owners have paid for the repairs, then had the engine go because they didn't fix the real problem. Or maybe the strategy is to get you to pay for the useless repairs, to make up for the labor cost on the recall repair they finally tell you about when you agree to the other stuff. It might have been interesting to see if other dealers missed the recall too.
An excellent example of why you shouldn't rely on a dealer's diagnosis. Don't forget, Main Dealers are just shade tree mechanics who have paid money to the manufacturer... Top quality, Sam 🙂👍
Keep up the great work and content! Your videos have kept me inspired and motivated to continue pursuing my passion of automotive repair. I’m about to get my LLC and auctioneer's license after nearly giving up due to CA laws, but thanks to you I kept that fire in my belly burning full of inspiration and now I’m making the big leap! I truly thank you!
When I saw the coils / engine bay I was like, wait what, they are right there on top of the engine.. I had an old minivan that was harder to replace than that...
@@ramiromorales5006 Sounds like you've already experienced the joys of Porsche ownership? Awesome, if you feel like doing it, can you tell me about how much to fix all that broke? What actually broke, and why you'd own (or not own) another?
Only thing is... can this guy make money on a car with 180k miles? Sure he gets them real cheap, and fixes them himself. But then you're still selling a Porsche with 180k miles on it. Maybe he just makes like $5k - $8k? Not bad but a big risk sometimes. You'd need to get every car for $1,500 max for it to be worth all these gambles.
That’s the trick to destroying a water pump..my guy that came with the crank tool is a life saver But then he just sat back and let Sam screw up timing 😂
Might be one of the dumbest decisions I've seen on youtube. Granted, the kit from FCP is $1277 but when you're talking about a $20k+ car, cheaping out on critical engine components is silly.
Yeah because the original parts literally fell apart into the engine, Porsche was the ones who decided to cheap out on critical parts, making it out of inferior plastics
@@jasras5003 oh shit I didn't read the original poster saying his car was only six years old. That sucks I wonder if it had a ctv. Toyota has had problems with those although their ectvs are amazing. My Camry trans went out at like 280000 miles which is already a crazy amount of miles.
I love your channel! Very informative and "real"!!! Keep'in it real with costs and how dealers want to take advantage of the "uninformed" customer... Keep up the great work!
Put a complaint with Corperate about the technician and the dealership for their practices. For the tech not to see that the plastic guides were damaged is absolutely appalling. The service guy probably just looked at the bolts and that was it. Then the up-sale shit. Didn't care if it was running bad or not.
If you go that route PCNA will respond with “all our dealerships are independently owned and operated.” They are telling you to go elsewhere. Porsche dealers legally collude to service new car buyers in specific areas (by where you live)but you can get any Porsche dealer to provide service to your vehicle or buy a used car.
That tech got done with that job as fast as he possibly could, then tried to sell some stuff real quick that may or may not have been necessary in an attempt to actually make some money. I promise you he lost his ass doing just a recall, because recalls and warranty work don’t pay worth a shit. It’s a lousy industry to work in and you gotta do what you gotta do to get paid.
The Tech did his Job.. Sam talked to the service advisor for a recall..so the tech did the recall per what the car came in for.. As a tech ur supposed to spot quick issues which tech did. The tech did not get paid for doing a check engine light diagnosis as Sam didn’t pay a diagnostic fee. He got paid for a recall
Very cool project and I like your pragmatic mentality. I do a lot of mechanic work on Vintage and Classic Chevy Trucks & one of the things I learned really fast was purchasing OEM products gave the most longevity and most importantly to me, eliminated all unknown variables, when the issue can’t be 100% pinpointed (i.e. isolated the actual symptom but not the cause) I do agree that OEM parts are almost always unreasonabley more expensive but they come with a level of engineering and testing backed by a multi-billion dollar company so 95%+ of the time you can be certain it will perform as intended w/o conflicting with other parts or its surroundings. So while a cheap $240 timing set looks appealing … It’s a MAJOR CRITICAL COMPONENT at the heart of the engine and it failing prematurely will lead to the engine detonating beyond the means of reasonable repair. So since you got the engine opened up WHY WOULD YOU INSTALL some cheap Chinese knockoff? The original lasted damn near 150k/160k and definitely should have been changed around 90,000-100,000mi as part of good engine preventative maintenance. If Porsche said they would sell the part for 10x what you paid for it I would still bend over and take it because then I would be confident in the vehicles not needing a new one until another 100k+ miles.
I lost confidence in dealers years ago. The last great dealer I knew was Vista Lexus in Woodland Hills calif. it was family owned with a fabulous service team . They ultimately sold to a Chinese buyer who treated the staff like crap, many of whom left. Almost all dealers are just parts replacers and really don’t want to work on complex problems. After much research I found a great independent mechanic. Mercifully he’s young and will be around.
Same where I live, in Bradford, England. We have Britain's youngest population, with ⅓ of our population being under 25 years of age, and as you can imagine there are a lot of motor mechanics here. I didn't realise how much of a blessing that is until I had an engine malfunction in the other end of the country and the youngest mechanic we found was about 50
$2400 to replace the spark plugs? I know things are way up in price these days but that is a ballsy insult. They couldn't even diagnose the real problem. Unbelievable. Other Porsche owners will be very interested in this video. Well done Sam.
They definitely tried to gouge him but a few things to keep in mind. 1. He did NOT pay them to diagnose ANYTHING. He took it in to have a recall done. All the stuff they recommended was just whatever bullshit they could come up with that it might possibly actually need considering it was running bad. No diagnosis was ever done on anything. 2. There are definitely cars I would charge 2400 to do a spark plug change. Not because it costs that much but because it's such a pain in the ass, I do not want to do it. Let them take it to some other sucker who kills himself over 100 bucks. If they are dumb enough to pay it, cool. Payday for me. No this is not one of those cars, this job is easy but I can see why it could be that high sometimes.
Driving nice cars comes at a great cost that most of us on the planet could never justify. It would be one thing if the cost was mostly the original purchase price. But in actuality it's the cost in the long run from maintenance. We'd all be bankrupt with a $10k repair. One thing goes wrong and we're broke.
These videos are so satisfying to watch :) The out of Gas made me chuckle and got excited when it started. Good for you guys for proving if you have the knowledge and skill you can save a beautiful car at a REAL cost. I wish I could drive a beautiful car like this.
Did anybody notice that the top engine mount wasn't bolted in and yet the engine hardly rocked? 👀 Sam, it's time to get a head band to hold your camera bro. Working on cars with one hand is crazy. Good job tho💪🏆
If I had a nickel for every video I watched today about a guy repairing a non running car who at the very end can’t get it to start because he forgot to put gas in it, I’d have two nickels, which isn’t a lot, but it’s weird that it happened twice…
No they’re trained. Trained to get as much money from you as possible. I used to deliver to these types of dealerships and you can overhear all kinds of overcharging being done in service. No integrity.
I used to work for a Freightliner dealership. We were never encouraged to up sale to customers beyond actual issues their vehicles had. It was almost like the Army when I was a mechanic there. If it was worn of failing report it and repair/replace. But in this case it was always in the customers hands what happened. Recalls were always under warranty.
Great video Sam. Actually the motor mounts on the Porsche are liquid filled. They can look fine and not move much, but once the liquid leaks out you will get more vibration in the cab. Have a visual inspection to make sure the liquid didn’t leak out.
Really encouraging to see how serviceable is the engine of a Porsche Panamera. Reliability seems pretty decent too, as long as you keep up with maintenance.
You guys really know what you are doing. Fun to watch you screw the dealership. You should go back to them and tell them what they missed and how they tried to SCREW you. Just a suggestion.
Sam's yard looks like a gathering of affluent friends and family. Unfortunately it is riddled in a mass of superlatives amongst a field of dreams realized or failed attempts. Its seems to go one way or the other.
Great video! I had a cayenne GTS with a drain plug that was even worse. They strip pretty easily. I was actually able to get it out with using a hammer and a flat blade screw driver and hitting it on an angle. The drain plug is aluminum so it makes impressions easily.
Aftermarket is one thing and doesn't necessarily mean bad. Amazon timing kit with no brand... Yeah. That's a different story. I would never buy something like this. The chain will probably be quite weak, the guides... They may wear just that much faster or snap to pieces.
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lol I like how the dealer gave you a bunch of stuff to replace except for the part of the car that's actually broken... imagine someone getting all those repairs done that they recommended and then having the engine blow up few miles later.
that's exactly the goal since its out of warranty..
It’s actually Sam’s fault he never asked to have the check engine diagnosed because he didn’t want to pay for it so that takes all Liability rt out of the dealers hands.. he’s actually stupid he should of had the work done they recommended and then when the car was still running like shit he could of not paid for the repairs as services were not rendered properly
@@cbruno12180 His channel is all about fixing cars, so I don't know why are you calling him stupid?
Are you that STUPID?
@@cbruno12180”takes all liability right out of dealers hands” then suggest he doesn’t pay for service because the problem wasn’t fixed… lol you don’t make no sense!
@@cbruno12180 your plan is good up until the part where Sam has to fight Porsche for his $7,000 of useless repairs back.With Porsche it could come to lawyers and then its another 5 or 10 grand more to fight Porsche.
I like how you solved the fuel pressure issue by starting with the easiest thing, removing the intake manifold and then worked your way up to the most sophisticated action of pouring in a gallon of gas.
I was thinking about the same thing 😅
Lmaoo fr. What a chump! (i did the exact same thing one time on a benz project🫠)
The first thing you do in troubleshooting is to run a through visual inspection, one that does not use tools. Incompetent or dishonest mechanics won't do that.
"It ain't got no gas in it."
@@karlpeterson9334 AMEN!!!! I watch lots of repair videos and I am always shocked that they immediately go crazy scanning and scoping. Then when all else fails check gas, oil and battery. Also ignore oil and coolant levels that are low. I would insist oil and coolant be changed or brought up to proper level before you work on the car. That and a visual, should be first, not last. Fixing worn out suspension and aligning with bald tires sends me into orbit. A customer that does not care about the condition of their car and just wants you to patch it up should be rejected. They are usually the ones that want something for nothing and will accuse you of damaging their car to extort you for more. One of the greatest days of wrenching was when we fired such customer whose junk car needed thousands of dollars of work and tried that trick on us. We are still waiting on his lawyer to show up.
I must say I watched the full 46 minute video and not one minute of it was boring. My eyes and ears were fixed to everything being said, all parts being observed, tested and removed. Very interesting. Boy, I sure do wish there would be mechanics like you guys in our area. You are wise, intelligent and with a whole lot of common sense. That is what you call integrity! I have subscribed.
Lol right I love cars but find these kinda video boring and slow other people I watch but this guy I watched the whole video. I wish I could fix cars like this dude but I could never.
True dat
I loved it. Usually he would have split this up over the course of a week or more lol
I wish he’d get a 2005-2009 w12 Audi, vw or Bentley so I can see how to fix my car for cheap 😭
My first video. This guy gets it
It's cool how you casually do a timing job for a dual cam V8 on the grass under a tree. Awesome video!
Madd respect ✊ props this crap is hard in my garage with a two post lift lol
Once you get over the intimidation of it all and start doing it step by step, with a little patience you can do anything to a car (mostly lol)
Dude got skillz
I have watched videos of people doing complete engine swaps in their driveway lol
@@87Lowbird
Ahhh, patience, now that's a developed skill in itself🙄
Timing tensioner system completely destroyed on a car with almost 200k.
Porsche dealer: You need a $2500 spark plug job. 😐
If you cant afford spark plug job why even bother you with timing job you wont afford neither
I dont think you even comprehend what was going on in the video@@xiukn8
@@xiukn8 Thats not the point.... Are you stupid?
@@xiukn8what?? doing spark plugs on this car costs 80$ it you do it yourself.
@nolanbeerollin1756 you gotta understand there's people who actually like it in the one that 💩 😆
Hearing the motor run as smooth as it did was super satisfying
All I could hear was an ear shattering high pitched whine 🥲
That Porsche dealership should be ashamed of their self.
They should be reported to the BBB.
@@brianatbtacprod1989 People with too much money should educate themselves before trusting a business or seller.
Actually they are probably very proud,
@@brianatbtacprod1989- Why? The Better Business Bureau is not a governmental entity nor can tell/force a business to do squat.
My mother-in-law brought her Toyota to a local Toyota Dealership for an oil change in Dublin, Ohio. They felt that she needed a brake job. She drive 3,000 miles per year and they were hardly worn. But what they did not mention the massive radiator leak that she had, the entire top of the radiator was encrusted with the pink Toyota antifreeze, what idiots...
You seem like the only TH-camr to stick with your original format.. no big HQ purchases and all these over the top antics that others feel like they need to do because they are more "successful." Keep things the way they are, it's what got you this far, and keeps people coming back! 👍🏻
Did you miss the part when he had the MILF in the videos. Was f’ing cringe.
There's room for all kinds of fun. Just pick the ones you like.
The dde shade is real 😂
The only thing that he got was a lift, and we never see him use it.😂
I've stopped watching car youtubers except for Samcrac, Scotty K, and robot cantina.
Really enjoyed this video. You should post it all over social media and tag the Porsche dealer that was obviously trying to scam you for several thousand dollars and wouldn't have even fixed the issue. The management should be ashamed!
This got me interested in the Panamera in general. Looks like someone took all the normal German engineering cues, but forgot to make everything hard to get to and bizarrely placed.
It’s way easier if you take the whole front of the car. It’s a a little bit more work for a lot easier chain replacement.
@@P0PET0948 i didn't have any room restrictions at all. So why take the front end of the car off again???
Well replacing intake filter requires removing front bumper, also Panamera has the most electronic systems within porsche family, and some porsche indie shop straight refuse to repair them. There is a reason why 4-door porsche depreciates so much, whereas some 911 appreciates post pendenmic as well. Got one as a winter beater, can't wait to sell it this week, and back to tracking my 991.2 in summer
They understand their mistake and put chains in the other side of the engine now. Between engine and gearbox. Luckily it is engine out job now.
@@Meeliskt77 I am hoping that they still keep a tensioner piston in the cover, though. You know, to keep it Teutonic.
I didn't notice the length until you mentioned it. Great work. Love how you use common sense. Dealer would've had you pay $10,000 then your engine would have grenaded.
Nobody in their right mind would drop $10k on a $5k car.
@@OMGWTFLOLSMH How about if you bought a $20k car for $5k then put $10k into it?
That's what she said
WOW !!!!!!!!!
I have seen half a dozen of these V8 Models for sale , where the body and interior are good and the owners selling them for $2500-5000.
And all saying Porsche has told them the Timing System & Cams are shot and it's going to require $10K to fix it or to be " safe " just replace the engine with a low miles used one.
This Video has shown me what to look for now and hopefully find a Steal of a Deal that only needs $600-700 in parts and 20hrs of " I can easily do that job " time.
THANK YOU
for this video and addition to TH-cam University !!
**** now it's time to find one .... ****
Did you end up finding something?
Im 23 years old and this kinda Mans world is somehow brings back my forgotten DNA codes tobe activated 😂👍
Hi Sam. I had the pleasure to meet you at Mancuso Auto Body a few years ago. I was impressed by what a good guy you are. Your videos are always great. Just the right blend of drama, information and positivity. Thanks
25:46
Hope you are doing well!
I picked up a 2010 panamera from auction with only 170k (kms) for under 10 grand. Luckily all engine updates were all done , plus I found receipts for all new brakes , new belts , rad , waterpump , etc. Hit the jackpot with this one , only 2 previous owners. Very happy with the car. Great video Sam! Great channel! 👍
You haven’t said why it was only 10k (instead of 25 to 30k?)🤔
@@philtucker1224 Likely because that’s what they’re going for at auction. That model year+mileage is around 13k-14k US at a dealership also, meaning that he lucked out on it being so well maintained, not that the price is anything special.
Hi Sam. Big fan. My fav is the Benz R500 wagon. Great deal. I have been watching for a few years, while waiting to buy my first car, in Seattle (I'm from NYC, L.A., and Providence}. I've worked on cars since I was 16, and computers the rest of the time. Your analysis is what I enjoy most, and I just purchased my first TopScan, based on your wonderful rundown of it's features (no liability on your part). I am sure I will have a good experience.
Thanks for the knowledge, friend. I appreciate it.
FYI, my best friend from third grade in L.A. got a '72 Mustang Fastback in ~1994, on which we did a restomod with his dad. We took the engine out, sent it to the paint shop, put the engine back in and drove around for a few months before we both had to retreat to the Northeast. It's nice work if you can get it. I am suscribed. Thanks again.
You gotta hand it to Samcrac, he knows how to make an entertaining video. I'm not even interested in Porsche cars or maintenance but I'm hooked from the get go.
Watching Samcrac fixing a Panamera in a farm while outsmarting a dealership is like watching David vs. Goliath in modern times. 😂
Absolute chaddest.
He never asked the dealership to address the check engine light though, he just brought it in for the recall which they did fix. If he agreed to proceed with the work they quoted they know it wouldn't fix the car but he'd be liable for the work since he agreed to it, then they would quote the repair for the engine as something crazy high (he said 30 labor hrs workshop time for timing job in the video!!) and offer him a 'great trade in deal' towards one of their cars.
The real question is did he or is this whole vid bs
he didnt outsmart a dealership, they didnt want to do the work and gave him the GFY quote.
I'd like to see Samcrac with a sling loaded with wheel bearings in a boss battle with the Dealership's owner
Wouldn't it be reasonable to have mechanic and service manager expose them to the error of there bad diagnostic and repair suggestions especially at $300 hr.
Huh, I thought $260 per hour at Lexus was outrageous!
That price for plugs is absolutely beyond belief. The dealership should be thoroughly ashamed at just the level of greed at play here. I really hope the absurd pricing starts to push consumers who own these vehicles to look a bit beyond the dealership and seek out independent specialists instead. Great to see you get a 'win' as well Sam after a lot of issues with lemons!
It’s normal. If you don’t get a coupon or deal, oil changes for Porsches are a consistent $700-800. Plugs are 3 years or 30k miles. The best part, these prices are consistent whether it’s my 911 or my wife’s Macan. I skip the plugs, that’s a cash grab, but the oil changes are labor intensive and there’s little things they do that goes beyond just oil - like cleaning out water drain holes, etc.
Presumably Porsche also put in new coil packs at the same time?
@@markdauncey927 I would be highly surprised though might account for the ludicrous price..? Reading around though, this is just what Porsche charge for plugs. I would imagine coils on top of that would be at least $3000-$4000 more.
My mechanic wanted $200 to do my plugs, I was, nah.. I will do it myself. Simple job on my Turbo S Pano. My guy is a backyard Euro mechanic, you supply parts, he does all the labor. Legit guy. I have transitioned to Instagram mechanics… I did pay for the rotors and pads! $300. I supplied parts off internet. 🤷🏼♂️
Dealerships are NEVER afraid of greed. Greed is what they are about.
Great vid Sam. Love the whole ...complete vid in one take. Don't mind the length at all. Just want to see the complete repair. Thanks for posting it this way. Super interesting.
Thanks 👍
Well done video & repair diagnosis! It was very satisfying to watch.
42:35 Practically no vibrations even though you're still missing top engine mount. Looks good.
Typical dealership tactics. Sell you thousands of parts you don’t need while your engine is about to explode. My Panamera needed motor mounts and I never bothered to replace them. PITA and not worth it.
Yep!
We know Randy
They honestly don't look that hard to do on a RWD model like this one, but then again I DON'T NEED THEM so it doesn't matter 😂😂😂
Yup Randy
@@SamcracI have always hated taking any of my cars to the dealership for ANY reason. I have been an ASE certified Level III mechanic for the last 23 years of my life and I can almost always figure things out for myself, but as far as a recall goes, I'd take it to them. I bought my BMW 135i and my water pump just failed, and I'm going to replace it on my own because I refuse to pay $5000 to have my electric coolant pump and thermostat replaced.
Loved it. Do more long vids. Really like the deep dives and the repairs, you take us on a cool journey and love that sunshine wherever you live.
Love your optimism. I saw no room to work on the front of the engine. You were like, "plenty of room to get the timing cover off". More of this Sam. Awesome.
From the salvage yard straight to the dealership is insane LOL
😂😂😂
Dealer quoted $8,423,49 is a scam! They wont suggest to even to fix the recall for free then dont even address the vibration is a scam for sure.
$300/h labor. lol, lmao
Man I’ve done that! Bought a 2016 chevy spark with 60k miles for $500. Straight to the dealer for a replacement CVT under extended warranty. Lol.
@@casehitcards6848 It's a "we don't want to deal with this high mileage POS" quote - common industry practice to get rid of unwanted customers.
Best car video I’ve ever seen. All dealerships pull this crap. They recommend thousands of dollars in unneeded maintenance for the fast money and don’t address the real issue. Never go to a dealer if your car is outside warranty
Boycott that dealership
If you boycott them you got to boycott them all. Dealerships are like politicians - all corrupt!
@@Nedreck11 Not all, just the one's in court.
@@earnestbunbury2103order out of chaos, divide and conquer work because of your mindset. The true opponents are the uniparty ruling class that if we come together they will be defeated. Thats what they fear most.
@@Nedreck11def not all. I’ve been to a couple of excellent ones where they don’t try to up sell and even fixed something for free
Better than being deemed mentally fit to be president, yet not with it enough that you can defend yourself in court.@@earnestbunbury2103
"Samcrac was able to fix it, in a pasture, with cows!" -Obediah Stain complaining to the dealership about his broken Panamera.
Well we are not Samcrac Sir :D
Just because he can, does not mean that others are ripping you off. Sometimes, shit is difficult and decent mechanics make shit look easy.
@@BeardMan01 the joke is, others couldn't do it, but he could in his pasture. Not that they're ripping anyone off, but that they were incapable altogether. In this case, the dealership didn't even properly diagnose the issue.
Just watch out for the paddies
It's not even that the dealership couldn't do it. They're out to make big profits wherever they can, and for dealership service departments that means upselling on repairs and maintenance that aren't needed while avoiding putting in time to fix actual problems. Everybody wants money for nothing.
This is the exact issues my cayenne S had. Camshaft , crankshaft codes, hard start. Rough idle. Etc. exact same thing! Loved watching this video haha
Absolutely love this content. Please feel free to post super long videos. I don’t mind them at all. I have long daily drives and can easily watch two or three of these long videos. It’s interesting how easy some of these repairs can be. I know they’re not always that way, but it’s still very interesting content. Thank you.
This is why I got into cars and maintenance. I couldn't handle the powerless feeling of taking my car into any mechanic and have them charge me whatever they want.
as a career or for your own cars?
@@Terpenefiend my own cars for now. I have 3 for myself now. Might start a side gig once I get my car lift though.
@@kyle.smyle. where did you start? i want to learn more myself instead of relying on hourly rate mechanics to make my car whole.
@@Terpenefiend I just TH-cam things that need to be fixed with my cars. You will need to buy A LOT of tools if you're just starting. LegitStreetCars helped me to like cool cars and now I like fixing them too.
Why I drive a simple old car with a 4-cyl engine.
You're not rookie. Kudos. Double kudos for having the nerve, initiative to get after this and the back to lean over the hood for 2 or 3 days! Good job.
Almost a million views in 3 days and you deserve all the praise you can get! I’m shocked by what that dealership tried to do. It’s criminal and I’m glad you actually encourage people to do their part of the homework so they don’t get scammed. I hope this reaches the right person at Porsche who can actually do something about what happened there. It’s criminal
Very well said and true!
Señor Cracc, hello from Texas. I have watched many of your videos. This is my favorite. Thanks for these. Congrats on the great fix.
Not being a mechanic, but these videos are just so fun to watch. Sam does more to a car engine with one hand while holding the phone with the other than most people can accomplish with both hands. LOL
I like how you never take anything for granted and dig into yourself, when is step mom going to make appearance again?
That you expected anything from a dealership but incompetence is astonishing.
Took my 2015 GTI with 160,000 miles on it and they had NO idea that it needed a new cam chain and tensioners.
Crazy how efficient your videos are. I see all harbor freight tools to work on a 90k car lol. Also, so cool to see how you buy these expensive cars for pennies on the dollar and you have tons of room to work on them. Thats one thing I like about Florida and Texas, it seems so awesome to have lots of property to play with.
You don't need to mess with timing replacing those adjuster bolts on the back. Since there's four the back case stays in place and you just replace one at a time. Those little bolts are NOT a lot of torque, only like 8nm and a 180 angle. However, if the bolts are loose or broken then the adjust itself should be replaced at which point timing would be dealt with.
Sam Losened the cam gear bolts then turned the camshafts..
Timing is indeed off😂
@@natesamuels5819 Yeah Sam did that, NOT the Porsche tech that did the recall.
You were so right to expose those dealer tactics, that’s how they make their mega profits (and probably why a 130k car is only worth 10k now.) in the U.K. we call them “rogue traders”…
In the US, Stealership is used.
It was worth watching for 46 minutes to hear that engine start up (once it had gasoline)! Nice job all around.
You make it look so simple, and your explanation is so clear. Thanks man. Great video.
It really is simple as long as you have the right tools guidance
30:22 one issue with the chinese timing kits? The chains are made of chinese playdonium. You might find yourself having to redo this job when the chain stretches beyond the tensioner's ability to take up the slack. It was a problem with sub-standard motorcycle chains too.
yeah, sad to cheap out with that. i wonder what the quality parts cost.
Edit: Sam responded in another comment. He said, "So an OEM kit was around 4x more than the Amazon one. If this was a super special car or something rare I would've gone that route, but the purpose here was to see how much of a budget we could keep. So for everyone that is mad I used a cheap timing chain kit, let me know how many miles your cheap timing kit went before it gernaded? The guides are plastic on every kit. It really comes down to the longevity of the chain and tensioner..."
@@TurboCroissant I didn't see that but his comment makes sense.
He won't be fixing it again. The person he sells it to (for a massive profit partially thanks to the cheap parts) is the one that will need to fix it.
@@wingracer1614 haha if you follow this channel you'd realize he rarely sells them.
Boom.
Long time subscriber but, I've been away for a while. Very glad I chose this video to re-introduce me to the channel. I'd say "as good as ever, maybe better". Solid pacing and editing and I think your narration has improved. The Florida sunshine makes the video bright and clear (maybe some better cameras?) In any case I'm thrilled to think I can still come to this channel and be enthralled. Looking forward to your next on this car and catching up on all the others that I missed. Thanks Sam!
The screen in the oil pick up might be plugged with chunks of plastic timing guides.
he removed the oil pan, probably checked it
I’d also be worried about bits of plastic blocking oil paths lubricating bearings etc
Literally in the market for a Panamera because of their value, I appreciate being able to see all the work you've done on one!
I would say get 2nd gen at minimum. These 1st gen’s are no good
@@AlexIsUber 1s gens offer more value for the money, I think you can find a fantastic deal on one atm and if you're mechanically inclined, there's few competitors for the money
Hopefully the "mechanic" from Porsche watches this to learn how to diagnose and work on cars
Remember. These techs arent getting paid to take thier time. They lose money unless they use every shortcut possible.
That could happen -
I doubt it- they don’t care enough- they missed one fish another fish will come to them- law of the nature.
The stupid will get eaten
Sam is the last man standing of honest to goodness DIY'ers
until you get 4 fucking ads in there videos on top of more ads. Shill
Por -Sha!
In the grass. Thanks for the pretty thorough diagnose and repair. Many years ago bought a Citroen SM with a claimed bad Maserati engine. Basically had the same problem(cam timing) but I did a full rebuild anyway.
Por-schE
*Porche
@@pablovelasquez9 **Por -Sha Did you not watch the video?
The first time I heard someone correct another person with this auto name, I was 12 years old. Every single person I’ve heard correct another since then, has been the same dbag personality. I bet I could pick you out of a room full of people without knowing you
@@FuAzzi isn't that being willfully incorrect for no other reason than to be being mad and vindictive toward "douchebags"?
They're probably annoyed at people who are willfully ignorant and confident that they are correct about something that's wrong, just because a bunch of people do it one way.
"porshuh" is more correct to the originator of the car brand, Ferdinand Porsche. It's somebody's name. Saying "porsh" is literally the same as calling Chevrolet "shevroLET".
So why does that make it douchey, to correct someone on it?
Ive got the turbo version of this engine. Coils are a common source of rough running and misfires FYI. The turbo version definitely does NOT have that much room up front for timing cover removal lol.
My Mazda dealer I’ve been with since 2015 takes great care of my car for a very reasonable price. My GMC dealer I’ve been with since getting my 2500 in 2021 charges >$250/hr, always tries to upsell me on some bs, and has more than once failed to fully address the issue I took the truck into them for. From what I’ve seen my Mazda dealer is a rare exception to the norm. Appreciate them a lot more since I’ve seen what other places are like.
Interesting - I have a similar experience with my Mazda dealer: great service. I wonder if that’s just luck? I don’t have a lot of other recent dealership experience to be able to compare, but many of the comments I see aren’t very positive.
as the consumer, you have to ask questions and have an idea of what/why you are bringing the car in for. Our Mazda (and Subaru) dealer always want $60 ($30 for filter + $30 for labor) to replace the cabin air filter. They always show me an extremely dirty filter packed w/leaves from trees we don't have AND the cars are garage kept. It takes 5 minutes to replace the filter on each car pulling the glove box door out. Filters are $14 from other places. Being somewhat knowledgeable can save you money.
Dealerships never fail to disappoint, nice fix.
That dealership was reaching for the moon on that quote, that's y they are called stealerships by us mechanics. One tip though on timing those, Make sure u bolt the cam locks down to the head for absolute perfect timing. These modern engines are so sensitive that even a degree off can cause issues or SES light, I have done the same thing before many times and it was fine but i found that bolting them down it would move a tiny bit more from where i had them set. Been a long time subscriber since the pizza car days and figured i would just offer a tip on timing, been a mechanic all my life and specialize in European. I work on pretty much everything but euro is where its at, There are also adaptations in the computer that should be reset for the variable cam timing along with a couple other things. You have come a long way since the early days man and when u freshly do a timing chain or have fuel system apart it will take a bit for fuel to get through HPFP and DI injectors. Even when u double check everything there is always a chance to miss something.
Great video Sam. I’ve had 2 Panamera turbos (970) and this same issue happens at around 145k miles. Dealer quoted me $23k to fix…. I ended up swapping the motor (and a bunch of other things) for less then half, because I didn’t know what the actual issue was.
Jack up car. Drive replacement car underneath. Hit merge button with BPD (bad part discard) toggle switch thrown. Job's mostly a good'un.
That top engine mount is an anti torque mount. It is only in tension when you accelerate or deaccelerate with the engine. The other three are just to hold the engine up in place (the transmission mount is the 3rd).
6:36 - has that font bumper been replaced? Looks like a slightly different blue. Previous crash damage?
Kudos Sam,,, these videos are the reason that I follow you,,, other than the Copart walk through (with sold price reveals, of course). Proud of ya for the diagnostic & repair. Inspiring....
Glad you like them!
I love the fact that you did one vid saying the issue and fixing it.
No way, you really got us with the old, "I know what's wrong, it ain't got no gas in it."
There is no telling how many people this dealer has royally screwed over the years on bogus repairs.
How many owners have paid for the repairs, then had the engine go because they didn't fix the real problem. Or maybe the strategy is to get you to pay for the useless repairs, to make up for the labor cost on the recall repair they finally tell you about when you agree to the other stuff. It might have been interesting to see if other dealers missed the recall too.
No telling, other than a forensic accounting audit...
I’m positive that number will match their total customer number! 😂🤣😂🤣
@@earnestbunbury2103I’m sure the dealer is relieved by what you have said…
The dealer is Tampa Porsche, N Florida Ave, they should be ashamed of themselves!
An excellent example of why you shouldn't rely on a dealer's diagnosis. Don't forget, Main Dealers are just shade tree mechanics who have paid money to the manufacturer... Top quality, Sam 🙂👍
Keep up the great work and content! Your videos have kept me inspired and motivated to continue pursuing my passion of automotive repair. I’m about to get my LLC and auctioneer's license after nearly giving up due to CA laws, but thanks to you I kept that fire in my belly burning full of inspiration and now I’m making the big leap! I truly thank you!
2 grand for a set of plugs??? WTF!
When I saw the coils / engine bay I was like, wait what, they are right there on top of the engine.. I had an old minivan that was harder to replace than that...
With free install 😂
change the plugs at 300/hr. What is the cost of the plug? 13bucks??? >2000 quote. Who is doing the service the ghost of Ferry Porsche himself?
I could imagine my Dad. He'd say - does it come with a gold pen when you pick up the car?
My in-laws Camry was quoted $1k for plugs... there are 4 on the top of the engine at $25 a plug... like wtf?
180K miles thats crazy, the car looks super good for that mileage. And not to mention still running! Must be a good power plant.
I'd be quite interested to see the previous owner's maint and repair bills it took to drive that far, probably be an inch thick of receipts.
@@Tiberius_I an inch is generous.
@@ramiromorales5006 Sounds like you've already experienced the joys of Porsche ownership? Awesome, if you feel like doing it, can you tell me about how much to fix all that broke? What actually broke, and why you'd own (or not own) another?
Only thing is... can this guy make money on a car with 180k miles? Sure he gets them real cheap, and fixes them himself. But then you're still selling a Porsche with 180k miles on it. Maybe he just makes like $5k - $8k? Not bad but a big risk sometimes. You'd need to get every car for $1,500 max for it to be worth all these gambles.
A trick to break the crankshaft bolt, it's to use a rubber belt tangled stuck around the pulley and the water pump pulley.
You can also use a breaker bar and tap the key,although don't would work doing on grass
Nice to have a manual so you could just put it in top gear
And a new water pump - that's a LOT of torque you're asking for!
That’s the trick to destroying a water pump..my guy that came with the crank tool is a life saver
But then he just sat back and let Sam screw up timing 😂
Great camera work and explaining step by step. Really enjoyed!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Great video Sam. Been watching you for a few years now. Wish you would upload more often tho. Us community love your videos man
Thanks Mike for showing us your big shaft!!
👍👍👍
@@Samcrac Better question is, did your step mom get to see it? We all know she likes a big shaft.
Buying a no name Chinese timing kit off of Amazon! Ooof!
There are certain things you don't cheap out on.
Might be one of the dumbest decisions I've seen on youtube. Granted, the kit from FCP is $1277 but when you're talking about a $20k+ car, cheaping out on critical engine components is silly.
@@EdwardM104 Would be surprised how many components are made in China.
The Chinese probably supply Porsche....lol
😂@@imtheonevanhalen1557
Yeah because the original parts literally fell apart into the engine, Porsche was the ones who decided to cheap out on critical parts, making it out of inferior plastics
Sam, you have a huge set of Nutz taking on these projects. And working in fields is amazing. Keep up the good work, brother.
Toyota dealer quoted me more to replace my RAV4 transmission than the vehicle is worth. It is only 6 years old.
Y ah same with my Camry. I found a transmission from a wrecking yard online and ended up spending like 1800 total including installation.
@@4touchdowns1game29 Wtf - are newer Toyotas not as reliable? I have a 2003 4runner and it's bulletproof.
@@jasras5003 oh shit I didn't read the original poster saying his car was only six years old. That sucks I wonder if it had a ctv. Toyota has had problems with those although their ectvs are amazing. My Camry trans went out at like 280000 miles which is already a crazy amount of miles.
@@4touchdowns1game29CVT
@@4touchdowns1game29Camrys are reliable, great car
Chains wear out too, getting a new one was the right decision
I love your channel! Very informative and "real"!!! Keep'in it real with costs and how dealers want to take advantage of the "uninformed" customer... Keep up the great work!
Never, never, ever go to a dealership for any kind of work!
Put a complaint with Corperate about the technician and the dealership for their practices. For the tech not to see that the plastic guides were damaged is absolutely appalling. The service guy probably just looked at the bolts and that was it. Then the up-sale shit. Didn't care if it was running bad or not.
The "Corporate" couldn't care less. They want the dealer to be financially healthy.
If you go that route PCNA will respond with “all our dealerships are independently owned and operated.” They are telling you to go elsewhere. Porsche dealers legally collude to service new car buyers in specific areas (by where you live)but you can get any Porsche dealer to provide service to your vehicle or buy a used car.
That tech got done with that job as fast as he possibly could, then tried to sell some stuff real quick that may or may not have been necessary in an attempt to actually make some money. I promise you he lost his ass doing just a recall, because recalls and warranty work don’t pay worth a shit. It’s a lousy industry to work in and you gotta do what you gotta do to get paid.
And if people pay than it continues to provide the tech incentive.
The Tech did his Job..
Sam talked to the service advisor for a recall..so the tech did the recall per what the car came in for..
As a tech ur supposed to spot quick issues which tech did.
The tech did not get paid for doing a check engine light diagnosis as Sam didn’t pay a diagnostic fee.
He got paid for a recall
Very cool project and I like your pragmatic mentality. I do a lot of mechanic work on Vintage and Classic Chevy Trucks & one of the things I learned really fast was purchasing OEM products gave the most longevity and most importantly to me, eliminated all unknown variables, when the issue can’t be 100% pinpointed (i.e. isolated the actual symptom but not the cause)
I do agree that OEM parts are almost always unreasonabley more expensive but they come with a level of engineering and testing backed by a multi-billion dollar company so 95%+ of the time you can be certain it will perform as intended w/o conflicting with other parts or its surroundings.
So while a cheap $240 timing set looks appealing … It’s a MAJOR CRITICAL COMPONENT at the heart of the engine and it failing prematurely will lead to the engine detonating beyond the means of reasonable repair. So since you got the engine opened up WHY WOULD YOU INSTALL some cheap Chinese knockoff? The original lasted damn near 150k/160k and definitely should have been changed around 90,000-100,000mi as part of good engine preventative maintenance. If Porsche said they would sell the part for 10x what you paid for it I would still bend over and take it because then I would be confident in the vehicles not needing a new one until another 100k+ miles.
I lost confidence in dealers years ago. The last great dealer I knew was Vista Lexus in Woodland Hills calif. it was family owned with a fabulous service team . They ultimately sold to a Chinese buyer who treated the staff like crap, many of whom left. Almost all dealers are just parts replacers and really don’t want to work on complex problems. After much research I found a great independent mechanic. Mercifully he’s young and will be around.
Same where I live, in Bradford, England.
We have Britain's youngest population, with ⅓ of our population being under 25 years of age, and as you can imagine there are a lot of motor mechanics here.
I didn't realise how much of a blessing that is until I had an engine malfunction in the other end of the country and the youngest mechanic we found was about 50
$2400 to replace the spark plugs? I know things are way up in price these days but that is a ballsy insult. They couldn't even diagnose the real problem. Unbelievable. Other Porsche owners will be very interested in this video. Well done Sam.
I got quoted 700$ once on my 2004 f150. I am guessing they are replacing coil packs etc..... Did it myself for 30$
Spark plug replacement with not free wallet cleanout.
They definitely tried to gouge him but a few things to keep in mind.
1. He did NOT pay them to diagnose ANYTHING. He took it in to have a recall done. All the stuff they recommended was just whatever bullshit they could come up with that it might possibly actually need considering it was running bad. No diagnosis was ever done on anything.
2. There are definitely cars I would charge 2400 to do a spark plug change. Not because it costs that much but because it's such a pain in the ass, I do not want to do it. Let them take it to some other sucker who kills himself over 100 bucks. If they are dumb enough to pay it, cool. Payday for me. No this is not one of those cars, this job is easy but I can see why it could be that high sometimes.
Just started watching your vids. Huge kudos to you for how you document and narrate the vids. Love them!
Not covering the intakes working outside.
That's confidence
Driving nice cars comes at a great cost that most of us on the planet could never justify. It would be one thing if the cost was mostly the original purchase price. But in actuality it's the cost in the long run from maintenance. We'd all be bankrupt with a $10k repair. One thing goes wrong and we're broke.
These videos are so satisfying to watch :) The out of Gas made me chuckle and got excited when it started. Good for you guys for proving if you have the knowledge and skill you can save a beautiful car at a REAL cost. I wish I could drive a beautiful car like this.
Did anybody notice that the top engine mount wasn't bolted in and yet the engine hardly rocked? 👀 Sam, it's time to get a head band to hold your camera bro. Working on cars with one hand is crazy. Good job tho💪🏆
You doing this in the Florida heat is impressive!
If I had a nickel for every video I watched today about a guy repairing a non running car who at the very end can’t get it to start because he forgot to put gas in it, I’d have two nickels, which isn’t a lot, but it’s weird that it happened twice…
Stealership and untrained staff.
No they’re trained. Trained to get as much money from you as possible. I used to deliver to these types of dealerships and you can overhear all kinds of overcharging being done in service. No integrity.
absolutely agrree stealership
How hot was the previous owners elbow?
It's like, f*cking Popeye owned the car or some sh*t! 😂
Last driver must have been a beast, he had arm hair like a porcupine.
I used to work for a Freightliner dealership. We were never encouraged to up sale to customers beyond actual issues their vehicles had. It was almost like the Army when I was a mechanic there. If it was worn of failing report it and repair/replace. But in this case it was always in the customers hands what happened. Recalls were always under warranty.
Great video Sam. Actually the motor mounts on the Porsche are liquid filled.
They can look fine and not move much, but once the liquid leaks out you will get more vibration in the cab.
Have a visual inspection to make sure the liquid didn’t leak out.
Really encouraging to see how serviceable is the engine of a Porsche Panamera. Reliability seems pretty decent too, as long as you keep up with maintenance.
You guys really know what you are doing. Fun to watch you screw the dealership. You should go back to them and tell them what they missed and how they tried to SCREW you. Just a suggestion.
Sam's yard looks like a gathering of affluent friends and family. Unfortunately it is riddled in a mass of superlatives amongst a field of dreams realized or failed attempts. Its seems to go one way or the other.
Those prices are the reason why the right to repair is so important!
Great video! I had a cayenne GTS with a drain plug that was even worse. They strip pretty easily. I was actually able to get it out with using a hammer and a flat blade screw driver and hitting it on an angle. The drain plug is aluminum so it makes impressions easily.
All that work and aftermarket parts.....
"Amazon Timing Kit".....😂
Aftermarket is one thing and doesn't necessarily mean bad. Amazon timing kit with no brand... Yeah. That's a different story. I would never buy something like this. The chain will probably be quite weak, the guides... They may wear just that much faster or snap to pieces.
He's going to flip it. As long as it runs, that's all it needs to do. Every extra cent spent on better parts is one less cent worth of profit.
Sam should start a PorchA dealer
Front PorchA dealer
Over 2000 $ for sparkplugs? They should go to jail for that, thats a fucking scam
Hopefully there's a 2nd part to this video of you driving it
Coming up shortly!