Something that really annoys me is when I go into a record store and the employees treat me like dirt and look down on me because I'm a 19 year old girl, and they assume I'm there just to buy pop top 40 records. Its infuriating. Not necessarily going along with the video, just a thought of mine. Loved the video, Jon!
Gabi Glass I feel you girl. Also when people have to question you about the music or merch that you're getting because they don't believe that you actually have good music taste.
I surprised you didn't mention rudely correcting people who say "vinyls" But seriously, great points that thankfully I don't personally come across them much.
The reasons why I bought a vinyl record when I didn't have a turntable are a couple. 1. I wanted to support the artist. 2. I loved the artwork, and having a vinyl record with that big artwork on it looks nice. Especially when placed on your wall. 3. If I ever decide to splurge for a turntable in the future, I already have my favorite albums on vinyl. 4. Collection purposes. I do have a turntable, but I do see why people would buy records without owning a turntable to play them on.
Just remember to give them a good ol' clean once you get them. Even new vinyl that has never been played before/not opened from its packaging gets a lot of dust and shit from the places that made them and sold them. I totally get your point, though! I bought The Fragile DE and Deviations 1 on vinyl just for the sake of collecting them and supporting Trent & Atticus, but thought to myself, "woah woah woah.. why would I spend so much money on vinyl and not play it? i've always kinda wanted to get into it.. might as well do so now!", so I picked up an AT-LP60 with some powered speakers (Micca PB42x, to be precise.. love them!), the turntable's seller gave me cleaning solution and a brush and such.. and I have been crazy about buying vinyl whenever the chance comes along. I plan on upgrading here to an AT-LP120 or a U-Turn here pretty soon. Maybe even a Technics or something.
Sarah Smiles Fuck 'em! Only posers treat, or try to treat, other people as posers. When it comes to music, get and listen to what you like. Those pinheads don't have any special knowledge.
You're so right about resellers. There's a record store in my town that I go to all the time, and the owner gave me a really good deal on a near mint copy of sgt. pepper. It really irks me when I see records being sold for an absurd price online because those people care nothing about the music. When I go to the record store, I can tell that the owner really cares about music and sharing it with others. Records should be accessible to everyone, not just the rich.
Agree with everything here except for the Crosley comment. The way Crosleys are built can fuck up your records over time, making buying the records pointless. You can buy many record players for the same price that don't fuck up your records.
I hope you don't mind me asking this, but about how long does it take for the record to be fucked up? And could I buy a needle or something that wouldn't cause this to happen? I have a Crosley player and I don't want my records ruined, but I'm too poor to buy another player
Fairly Løcal Dreamer I couldn't tell you. Check online forums. The records get fucked up because the weight on the cartridge is way too heavy and it literally digs into the grooves into the record, therefore losing Fidelity. If you can't afford any new TT's, I would lean towards vintage equipment, just make sure you do it right. again, check forums, they're great for info.
did u kno that jon in fact listens to both paramore + fall out boy and that paramore is his 3rd fav band so... i dont think being a vinyl collector has anything to do with one's personal preference lmfao.
you're the POS personally insulting me because i think you & others who have similar taste have sh*t taste in music.their is no such thing as "vinyls" if your going to refer to vinyl in the plural form call them records instead of making yourself sound like a complete dumb ass.there is a young generation of vinyl collectors that show a true appreciation for vinyl culture & then their is "vinyls" collectors with their cool crosley's who are disgusting like you!
The people who buy vinyl only to resell at insane prices annoy the fuck out of me. I've only started to collect vinyl recently and as a broke af student, people who buy vinyls and resell them at a minimum of £150/£200 a piece on ebay just piss me off.
Yes you can, They put it on eBay knowing full well that a lot of people want it and that the price will likely increase. If they were going to be satisfied selling it for 20-30 they would sell it on Discogs.
Thats how the world works. People buy things and resell them for more money. I'm not going to sell something for less because you're broke. You think a record store is any different?
To be honest, I'm the one who buys the CD's (No Vinyls) and doesn't listen to them. When I buy a CD, I directly rip it to my digital collection and listen to it there. I know it may sound stupid to a non collector but for me it's pretty normal. I love to collect things and I'm also a lot into Cover art. So to present the music I listen to digitally, in a physical way, I buy some CD's of bands I really like eventhough I only listen to them digitally. That's why I kind of get the point with people who are buying Vinyl but aren't listening to their vinyls. As long as they listen to the music they bought on vinyl in some way, no matter if it may be digitally or actually on that vinyl they bought, it makes sense to me.
this is me as well. I also have a couple of Vinyl, of albums that I know i truly love and will never hate or forget, same goes for my CD collection. And If i need any other music that I enjoy but isnt a fanboy of (lets say Rihanna or Phil Collins) I just download it illegally and store it in my digital collection lmao
about the crossley.... i'm 35. i've been playing records since i was five, i dont live online (especially in previous years) and i missed all the stigma about the cruisers and bought one, it was kinda crappy but hey at least it played although i had problems when trying to connect it up to my stereo system. it ended up being a complete waste of money though as a few months later i bought a second hand pl-112d pioneer deck, it was a small amount more than the original price i paid for the cruiser but man... the difference is outstanding!!! if you only buy thrift store vinyl, have a collection of old cheesy singles or just enjoy the sound of lo-fi crackly music in your bedroom a crossley is fine. most everyday people in the 70's and 80's that i remember had cheap horrible all in one record/radio/cassette players that as a rule weren't a lot better than the crossleys, however if you're spending serious scrilla on new, rare or collectors vinyl you'll want to invest in a nice deck to play it on. you'll also get the most out of the amazing sound of your music! happy collecting guys!!
david hatred THANK YOU. I'm 21 and over the past few years I've gotten into collecting vinyl, and I honestly feel like the crossley hate is so overblown because my parents also grew up using similar all-in-one players back in the day. So it doesn't make sense to me that so many people assume that the modern equivalent is automatically gonna just chew through records. Some have, but the majority cases I've seen from friends/family/online have not put a single dent in their stuff
All valid points except for one: Crosleys are not OK for anyone, period. Crosleys DO ruin records, I know from experience. Much nicer setups can be purchased for around the same price. No need for 1000 dollar setups, but no need for Crosleys either.
I grew up in the 80s before CDs took over and records were just a medium for listening to music with. We never thought much about the actual vinyl discs the music came on at all. The way people get all anal about handling records and the perfect turntable setup and how they sound so much better than digital seems ridiculous to me. When CD finally became popular and affordable we were stoked. We could finally dump vinyl with the skipping, popping, crackling and having to get up to turn over to Side B every 20 mins. and spending precious money to replace styluses every 6 months and so on. In 1989 CDs were the hippest thing ever. Vinyl was dead. Digital sound was cleaner and clearer than anything we'd ever imagined before. It was like a light switching on. Vinyl didn't sound "warm" to us at all, it just sounded muddy.
agree.you probably need a thousand dollar set up to get the elusive superiority the hipsters are talking about.i listen to my records on a 1970s console stereo and the sound is far from superior.it plays and im happy.but your right
I remember seeing someone post their Vinyl collection on r/Vinyl with mostly Metal/Hardcore records and it got downvoted a ton, but the same ol' Run The Jewels records get upvoted hundreds of times.
It kills me every time I go into my local record shop and the lady thinks I'm just buying vinyl to be trendy but I have been into jazz vinyls since I was a child , my parents brought me up on vinyl
Why do people leave the shrink wrap on? They get happy when the shrink has a sticker on it. When I was buying albums, the first thing I did was rip the shrink wrap off.
As a casual collector with a Crosley it's my biggest pet peeve when people shit on them. I can't afford the best on the market and it's not hurting anyone so leave it be.
On social media I had someone turn their nose up at me over audiophile equipment. She was condescending and snooty thinking it's normal to gloat about owning expensive gear and components. Forget being an audiophile. She must be dense to think it's cool to brag about being rich ,period
Love your rant! Okay, you may be a "newbie hipster" but you got it RIGHT, bro! I've been collecting LP'S since the late 1950s , and according get to those you're talking about, I've been doing everything wrong. Yet, my LP'S are still great sounding condition. Thanks for calling them "RECORDS"! Bravo to you!
tomdotexe that does not make you an elitist. What would make you an elitist would be if you feel "above" over other music listeners because of your taste.
The beginning is too real😂😂😂 Like, "Don't put your filthy hands on that vinyl!!" Well what am I supposed to do? Use my telekinesis to lift the vinyl out of packaging? Vinyl collectors need to understand that we need to physically take out the vinyl somehow to put it on the record player😂
I'm a cassette collector. The tapes have a cool mojo, great community, and cost less than a dollar at thrift stores (less than $10 on bandcamp). It's cheap, fun, portable and not picked over at thrift shops! Though there is another collector on my turf... luckily he leaves the estate sales alone but he has gotten some cool finds at my goodwiil even just an hour before i get there But yeah the cassette community is actually fun. Most all of us are thrifters and love DIY shit, its fun
i prefer riding a bike with tapes.you can transport them alot easier and they dont scratch and skip when you hit a bump.cargo pockets and a walkman.good to go.belt clips disaster 50% chance
Funny thing, I've got tons of vinyl - but it's all my parents from the 70s and 80s. They're all in pretty bad shape, but I don't mind. They're for listening to, not looking at.
With respect, you're constantly contradicting yourself. You're OK with people spending a ton of money on records to play them on a cheap TT that will truly destroy them (because physics) but not OK with people spending a ton of cash on vinyl just to own a physical copy of their favorite records (circling back to your own point about "it's their vinyl, let them do what they want with it"). You diss on "hipsters" going to record shops and buying obscure records that they might genuinely love and cherish then immediately get defensive about YOUR own collection that probably has some records like that as well. I also never understood why people (mostly young adults and teenagers) get offended when someone gently and intelligently tries to educate them on record care especially if it's super apparent that they have no clue about it (yet). "Let them do what they want, it's their album"... Well, looking forward to these people getting their kids a bike one day. Who are you to tell them what to do with it, just let them figure out how to ride it themselves, no need to give a little benevolent guidance. Let others listen to what they want to listen to and educate them (and yourself) on the actual process of playing and caring for vinyl. No need to discuss it further.
I think I presented my points in a rather reasonable way but don't hold back to call me out on the incorrect or abusive things I might have said. Jon is clearly contradicting himself a lot and I still can't see why you would get offended by people trying to nicely educate you on a thing you're supposed to care about. And now I'm preparing for the 5-10 word impulse reactions with no substance whatsoever. Care to break the cycle?
I feel like this whole video could be called Rant of vinyl hipsters. I have been collecting vinyl for years and years and years. I have never had a problem with anyone real collector in the "vinyl community" and after talking to someone for a very short period of time you can tell if they know what they are talking about or not.
I got my first vinyl yesterday. It's to pimp a butterfly and I used amazon. I don't have a lot of money for these kind of things but it's a great deal since I get a free version for my phone. Also who are these arseholes who buy albums like blonde on vinyl and resell it for £200?
Recently found out my buddy collects vinyl. So I'm looking more into the topic because I've always been interested in vinyl. I think this can become a great conversation starter between my friend and I.
Too your point about people buying records without playing them, I actually did that for a while, it's not really a big deal, I wanted too buy music too support my favorite artists, and the concept of records are just cool, they have cool big art, come with tons of physical extras and hold their value more than CD's, also what better way too support the artist than buying the most expensive version of their product.
Sure, but like I said "and the concept of records are just cool, they have cool big art, come with tons of physical extras" I never said "I AM PURELY BUYING THIS TO SUPPORT THE ARTIST AND NOTHING MORE"
I've been buying records for 40 plus years now and have some that are worth lots of money, but I play them. That's a great point you make. I actually gave away about a third of my collection because I no longer listened to it. If I buy it (I stopped buying new records about three years ago when prices started getting out of hand) I play it.
Treat your records however you want. If you fingerbang them before giving them a nice needle fuck on a suitcase player, go for it. As long as you enjoy yourself and the music, that's what matters. *Just don't ever bring those records back into circulation on the used market. That's when it does affect others.* Vinyl is a lossy format. If i buy a used copy of something that looks fine, but was played on your Crosley for 2 years, it's going to sound like it when played on a nice system.
tbh I never understood why vinyl is so fucking popular. I mean mp3 for me is cheaper,easier, it takes off less space and you don't have to worry about the record being chipped and damaged. edit: and also CDs edit2: I'm guilty with no.2. I have a Abbey road album by the Beatles but I don't have a turntable yet.
My entire set up is from a thrift store. Kenwood turntable for ten bucks, amp for 15. 4 speakers for 5 dollars each, speaker wire for 3 dollars! Man, it's a great life. I owned 6 records before I got my setup to work. It took about 6 months to get all the right gear though, haha
It's about spreading knowledge. I'm glad that somebody gave me these tips when I was younger. I have a higher-end system now, but not always. I still have my first records that I received 40 years ago, one from my deceased grandfather, and they're still in like-new condition.
Good points! I see vinyl elitists on YT saying 'factory sealed and I'm never going to open it.' I get it, you know, it's like Star Wars action figures new in the factory sealed package coveted by someone forever. Dudes, play your damn records! Also, never buy pricey 'audiophile' records without first listening on YT or like I do, Amazon unlimited. If it's that great, yeah, go for it. For example, I got Pink Floyd's Relics on audiophile vinyl. Why? Because in my humble opinion, it's in my top ten favorite albums of all time and I own the CD, too. So, like, if there's an album you love so much you can play it over and over a million times, yeah go for it, get it.
Hey Jon, I don't mean to intrude, but I am curious how everything is with the Patreon account. I wish I could help, but I am currently unable to make a pledge. I hope I can soon, but I hope it's going well for you.
Well, for me I do like digital because I can just put it on my mp3 player and take it anywhere, but with CDs and Vinyl, it actually feels like you own it. You can pick it up and look at the disc, flip through the lyric booklet and enjoy all the art that went into it, you can read the lyrics while you listen to the album instead of going online to look up the lyrics. And that is why I like physical copies of albums. Besides, a wise man once said "there's no romance in a mouse click - Jack White".
I agree on the last point. It's a lot worse in the black metal scene. People will buy a new band's LP that's limited to 100-500 copies and put it up for sale an hour after buying it for 10 times the list price. It's absurd
I know what you mean about rare records that people will save up, I've been trying desperatly to find a blue/ white burst variant of Crown The Empire's "The Resistance" which was limited to 300 copies and I've found several people who have it unopened and no plans to ever open it, they're just holding on for some reason.
My parents got a record player that belonged to my grandparents and it's been around since the 50s and it still works they had this really decent vinyl collection too with mostly country like Dolly Parton, Johnny Cash, Waylon Jennings, etc. And gospel but there's also some pop, disco and rock as well like The Beatles, The Bee Gees, The Eagles, Elvis, Billy Joel, etc. I've bought some of today's vinyl myself mostly Taylor Swift but I wouldn't really call myself a collector because I just don't have the money to collect it but I have an impressive CD collection tho 😊😊
Vinyls weren't available here until the big craze started so unfortunately it's hard for me not to feel like someone following the trend. I've only started collecting in the last 10 months and I've mostly stuck to my favourites that I've listened to on cd. I think my first vinyl purchase was the Two-Tone compilation.
To be fair, handling your records badly is not looked down upon because its different to how others do it, its because its objectively bad and viewed as a sin kind of. Its not about controling others to be the same way, its about doing it a better way. But then I find it funny that in the very next topic you tell other people that they should buy a record player if they have records. Pretty Ironic :^) Music is sacred, so its not ok to buy records for money, but it is ok to handle them badly? Seems legit.
Hey there. What do you think about the idea of someone seeing a vinyl record on ebay or one of the Facebook vinyl record sights that he/she wants real badly but, gets beat to buying that exact same album by someone else?
I'm going to remember this guy. So I don't accidentally click on of these rants again. Step off your pedestal. Just because you do something one way doesn't mean everyone else's way is wrong.
I agree with you. I'm glad that you're easy on the people who are wanting to get into vinyl as I don't have the money for a player yet. I'm probably going to get the $80 one when I'm able to and start making a slow collection.
4:19 that is me at the moment because I just got a box of really old records just to find out they play at 78 rpm and my record player is 33 and 45 rpm. also I just want to say thanks for helping make me a better person. no sarcasm just saying thanks.
Wait, you're not supposed to touch the edge of the record? How else are you supposed to get it out? I just tried getting it out without touching the sides and it's a pain in the ass.
Great down-to-earth observations on vinyl and the community. You would think that people would encourage people to get into vinyl in any way possible to encourage sales, rather than hate on those who don't do it their way. Good video.
Your talking about records man. I completely agree. I hate that everyone today calls them vinyl but who cares. When I was younger, if someone said "vinyl", they would have though you were talking about your kitchen floor tiles or something. They're records, they're meant to be played and that vintage copy of Pink Floyd The Wall you found, had been touched and abused hundreds of times by wasted teenagers despite how "mint" it looks.
I bought a record for 90€ once ("Eros" by Dun) and it was already the second pressing (first one from 1981, second one from 2014) but was sold out so fast that the resellers ask horrendous prices for it. And 90€ was the cheapest offer. On the other side I bought the first Offspring album (s/t) on vinyl (first pressing) for 5€ from a classmate 15 years ago... and by this time it already was worth way over 100€. But I played the shit out of it. Luckily many labels release new pressings of older and sold out stuff, so that people don't have to pay the high prices (ofc the labels want their part of the cake)...unless they really want the original one. If newer records are mastered from the original master tapes they will even sound better (like the "Pink Floyd - Dark Side Of the Moon" re-mastering from 2016) than the original ones. So sometimes I get weird looks when I go for a remastered newer edition instead for the original one.
My music collection is mixed with pop music and rock music, and I have some records that are prized possessions, especially one from a band called Fightstar and I got it in 2020 and I am keeping hold of it, because you can't get it brand new anymore, and I have mostly albums by First Aid Kit and Nickelback in my collection, just recently with Get Rollin on Vinyl, and usually my rule is to have 4 Vinyl records of one artist at least, if not more, unless you want it, but it depends on what you can find and how you can afford it.
While I appreciate the time you took to make this video and I respect your personal opinions, what's the difference between you and the "vinyl collectors" your ranting about? Is your opinion on these things more important? I watch a shit ton of vinyl collection videos and although I come across a few things you've mentioned(especially the crosley thing) but for the most part "vinyl collectors" seems to be a pretty broad classification. It's entertaining to me to see and hear other people's opinions but to get upset about it is a waste of time. Wait, why am I commenting? Fucker! You tricked me!! Great video man:)
I actually agree with you on all your points, but I would like to know your opinion on artists these days who just want a pressing of their record just because they think its cool. I can typically identify these records fairly well in stores because there are a lot of copies there and me and my friends who collect even wonder why it even exists on vinyl
I do understand the bias against crosleys but I want to modify mine anyway. The only problem I really have with it is the tone arm is too short leading to the last few songs having a bit of noticeable distortion, to combat the I want to add length to it somehow. But yeah all these points are valid. If you think music listening vinyl heads are bad, you should hear the vinyl head DJs.
Most of mine are from a thrift store. I didn't have a record player for a while, but I loved having a part of music history even though I couldn't play them. My prize vinyl is my "Grand Illusion" album by Styx. Its original. And I only got it for $1. I got started collecting because they fascinated me, I like collecting old parts of the music industry and having a piece of it. :) I do have a record player now though and I enjoy getting to listen to my vinyls now. Great video man.
I buy most new albums on vinyl. Sometimes if an artist doesn't release an album on vinyl I won't get it. I love going to shows and buying the openers records if I like them and if they have vinyl. I try to listen to records as much as I can I have over 300 so it's tough to put them all into rotation. There are some older albums I don't listen to much like Beach Boys, Queen, Zepplin. It's actually kinda funny I look for a specific record to listen to and end up taking out 10-20. My worst habbit besides buying way too many records, is listening to only on side of an album and just stoping.
all good points - the reseller people annoy me so much - there was a vinyl box set that i really wanted and it came on pre order at £90 (about $130) and i didn't have the money to buy it for quite a few weeks- anyway when i went back to order it it had sold out and a couple of months later it was released and within a few days people had listed copies online at 4x the price - it's so lame :( I understand people wanna make money but when they only make 500/a few 1000 copies it seems really crappy when the people who actually want it can't buy it because greedy people are just buying them up to sell on for ridiculously high prices..
Yup, that last point is my personal hate about the community. Like i understand selling rare records for big money, its when they are listed as sealed that it annoys me like it basically underlines that seller doesn't like or appreciate the album that they have so how can they ask big money for something has no worth to them...
I started my vinyl collection in January of this year because I wanted to own physical copies of music, although I can’t afford a player yet. I'm planning to get one in the future and by then I will have many great records to play! Can’t wait :)
Who cares what someone does with the records they’ve bought ! They bought them fair and square just like anyone else if they want to hang them up and just look at em get over it their money their prerogative and just as judgmental as the other things covered here
Jon, great video!!! I want to ask you something. Let's see, I am collecting CDs and vinyls (I only own 20 CDs and 6 vinyls to this day) and I really want a record player, but I will only buy either a CD player or a vinyl player. Which one do you recommend me? Depending on which I buy I will stop buying the other format (If I buy a CD player I will stop buying vinyls until I have in mind buying a vinyl player and viceversa).
I got a vinyl copy of Enslaved - E on that album's prerelease show in Bergen, Norway. I did not have a record player at the time. I'll fight you on the street if you say that was not worth it kid xD Seriously just start collecting records even if you don't have a turntable yet, it's super fun.
I've been collecting records for about 2 and 1/2 years now and I have about 250 to 300 or something like that I haven't counted. But what I'm saying is I definitely agree with you on the whole touching the record thing and people being way too obnoxious about how people criticize you for it. But i listen to a lot of music and all the records that I've actually paid full price for and not just got really cheap I have listened to at least twice. Some of the albums I don't love and I bought them because of praise and it's place in history but also because sometimes vinyl will have a weird effect on me and make me listen to it a different way. A prime example of that are bands like The Smiths and Galaxie 500 where I heard them online and cds and for whatever reason they just didn't resonate with me but when I heard them on vinyl I grew to love them. Albums like On Fire by the latter of the bands I mentioned has become one of my favorites of the 80's. I also have a lot because I'm a collector along with being a fan. I see your point of only buying albums you love which I definitely do but also im a completist and have albums from bands where I love some of their stuff and not so much the other albums but still own it. Weezer is an example of that. I also totally agree with you on the whole aesthetic bullshit. It's just another form of basic except people want you to believe they're deep and unique when really they're not. It's really annoying actually. I can't tell you the amount of girls I've met who seemed really cool and turned out to be really fake and like everyone else. So yeah thought I'd share my opinions on the whole community and my reasoning for buying vinyl. But I can tell you one thing, for me it's always about the music first and everything else comes second.
I buy physical copies in general to own a piece of music that i love. In a world where i can listen to most music for free, i do just that, but if i really enjoy an album i buy physical. Physical is good for several things like the album art, the ability to fall back on them when you cant listen digitally, and the fact you are giving artists you enjoy money for every piece of art they put into the release, not just a disposable digital file. Vinyl album art and liner notes are the best to own, way more substance for your money, they honestly don't always sound better. Sometimes people buy old cheap records not only to bolster their numbers as you may think but also because its a piece of underrated music history. But most personally my music collection is a gallery of timestamps. A guide to what music has has emotionally effected me through the years. They serve as memories of me and my high school friends searching through music sections of the Hastings we used to frequent before they went out of buisness. My music taste and its evolution on display so i never forget where i started.
Eh that has nothing to do with physical copies of albums.I never said i don't do those things, which I do when i have time and a ton of money to spend on gas AND merch (I live in a tiny town where the nearest venue is a warehouse 2 hours from here and barely any good non-local artists play at it.) My best explaination of why that isn't enough for me is concerts happen but once and Tshirts aren't the same as album art. A lot of artists put effort in their physical releases, way more effort than they put into their shirts. Also my brain works in a way that it's almost obessed with collecting, i can't really explain that.
The two biggest hipster vinyl band at the store I work at are ween and neutral milk hotel. Another "elitist" trait I see alot is jumping on people for saying "vinyls" it makes me want to say it in solidarity.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS! I am going to be getting a record player soon, and my top choices were to get a crosley or a victrola. I then looked on TH-cam and saw that those choices were "hated" but then I saw this. Im guessing the type of record player doesn't matter that much. :)
I only pick up vinyls that are my favourite bands. I get the limited colours as only 500 or so are made, so it feels a little more personal. I do frame them as they look great and have a Download card in them so its a win win for me.
Thank you jon for mentioning some people have crosley. Not everyone is made of money, i'm only 16 and sure i'd love to have a better setup but what i have now is working for me
Crosleys sure look nice, and if they work for you, just enjoy and don't worry too much. But if your collection gets bigger, you'd be probably better off saving up for a better record player. A Pro-Ject Essential or Debut, Rega P1 or a Audio Technica AT-LP120 is not too expensive. They also have less tracking force, that's better for your records in the long run, they'll last longer.
Mervin van Veen What is your opinion on the Audio Technica Lp 60? Do you recommend this as oppose to the AT lp120. At the moment I have a Crosley (I got as a gift). I'm kind of swaying towards the lp60 since it's cheaper than the 120.
LP120 is a huge upgrade. It is one of the best on the market (without being high end). It has all the controls you want (pitch, 3 speeds, reverse, adjustable counter weight, anti-skate), as well as usb capability. If you aren't keen on the cost, lp60's do the job without the bells ans whistles. As far as I understand, they are much better with tracking force than crosleys even though they don't have an adjustable counterweight, they still have come sort of counter system.
I have a large collection of albums But I'm not a vinyl collector. Sixty years ago You had to bye the album to be able to listen to the music You liked whenever You wanted too. Today You don't have too. Music is very much an on demand thing.
Right now I don't have the best record player but it doesn't bother me right now, as long as it works it's fine. But later when I'm older and moving out I'm thinking about getting a full setup with big speaker, stereo and bass. And I'm also probably gonna buy shelf so I can sort out my LP's and my EP's
ive wanted to start a vinyl collection for SO LONG but i dont actually have a vinyl player and it would be stupid to get vinyl without a player, but my birthday was saturday and i got a fair amount of money, so i bought a record player and my first vinyl (which was paramore's brand new eyes)
I feel like I sort of fall under your third point. I do only get albums I really love on vinyl, but I still don't think I would've gotten them if it weren't for how aesthetically pleasing I find the records and the covers in large form, just because of how much more convenient CDs are. I even have some albums on vinyl I already owned on CD (although that's partially because I only got a record player late last year and had already collected CDs for some time). That being said, even though I don't think I wouldn't have gotten the vinyls if it weren't for how they look, I've never actively looked for other record collectors or tried to seem cool because of my collection. If I find someone who shares my taste who collects vinyl I'll obviously be keen to start up a conversation, but I still think saying it's bad to get vinyl for the aesthetic is a bit of a generalization.
Hey I wear glasses and have a record player. Lol I totally agree. I got a case like player last Christmas and I like casually shopping for records at local stores. I love going in the bargain bins and take pride in not spending more than $15 on a record. I don’t consider myself a purist by any means and I just enjoy spinning records and can hear a difference.
Something that really annoys me is when I go into a record store and the employees treat me like dirt and look down on me because I'm a 19 year old girl, and they assume I'm there just to buy pop top 40 records. Its infuriating. Not necessarily going along with the video, just a thought of mine. Loved the video, Jon!
I feel you
Gabi Glass This has happened to me before. It's so annoying
Gabi Glass I feel you girl. Also when people have to question you about the music or merch that you're getting because they don't believe that you actually have good music taste.
>Implying the people at the store actually care about what you buy
Gabi Glass they couldn't give a shit what you are buying or listen too.
I surprised you didn't mention rudely correcting people who say "vinyls" But seriously, great points that thankfully I don't personally come across them much.
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The reasons why I bought a vinyl record when I didn't have a turntable are a couple.
1. I wanted to support the artist.
2. I loved the artwork, and having a vinyl record with that big artwork on it looks nice. Especially when placed on your wall.
3. If I ever decide to splurge for a turntable in the future, I already have my favorite albums on vinyl.
4. Collection purposes.
I do have a turntable, but I do see why people would buy records without owning a turntable to play them on.
Just remember to give them a good ol' clean once you get them. Even new vinyl that has never been played before/not opened from its packaging gets a lot of dust and shit from the places that made them and sold them. I totally get your point, though! I bought The Fragile DE and Deviations 1 on vinyl just for the sake of collecting them and supporting Trent & Atticus, but thought to myself, "woah woah woah.. why would I spend so much money on vinyl and not play it? i've always kinda wanted to get into it.. might as well do so now!", so I picked up an AT-LP60 with some powered speakers (Micca PB42x, to be precise.. love them!), the turntable's seller gave me cleaning solution and a brush and such.. and I have been crazy about buying vinyl whenever the chance comes along. I plan on upgrading here to an AT-LP120 or a U-Turn here pretty soon. Maybe even a Technics or something.
cd_rom just wondering, what kind of cleaning solution and brush did the seller give you? and would you highly recommend it?
I always get scared when I'm looking for vinyl that people are secretly thinking that I'm a poser
Sarah Smiles Fuck 'em! Only posers treat, or try to treat, other people as posers. When it comes to music, get and listen to what you like. Those pinheads don't have any special knowledge.
You're so right about resellers. There's a record store in my town that I go to all the time, and the owner gave me a really good deal on a near mint copy of sgt. pepper. It really irks me when I see records being sold for an absurd price online because those people care nothing about the music. When I go to the record store, I can tell that the owner really cares about music and sharing it with others. Records should be accessible to everyone, not just the rich.
Agree with everything here except for the Crosley comment.
The way Crosleys are built can fuck up your records over time, making buying the records pointless. You can buy many record players for the same price that don't fuck up your records.
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Lower end Audio Tech stuff, some old used Fisher stuff that works well.
Agreed.
I hope you don't mind me asking this, but about how long does it take for the record to be fucked up? And could I buy a needle or something that wouldn't cause this to happen? I have a Crosley player and I don't want my records ruined, but I'm too poor to buy another player
Fairly Løcal Dreamer I couldn't tell you. Check online forums. The records get fucked up because the weight on the cartridge is way too heavy and it literally digs into the grooves into the record, therefore losing Fidelity. If you can't afford any new TT's, I would lean towards vintage equipment, just make sure you do it right. again, check forums, they're great for info.
I bet Fall Out Boy's light 'em up music video triggers a lot of vinyl collectors.
or Paramore's "Ain't It Fun"
usually "vinyl collectors" don't listen to shit bands like those mentioned
did u kno that jon in fact listens to both paramore + fall out boy and that paramore is his 3rd fav band so... i dont think being a vinyl collector has anything to do with one's personal preference lmfao.
Vinyl&Kicks86 wow you're the POS this video is about.
you're the POS personally insulting me because i think you & others who have similar taste have sh*t taste in music.their is no such thing as "vinyls" if your going to refer to vinyl in the plural form call them records instead of making yourself sound like a complete dumb ass.there is a young generation of vinyl collectors that show a true appreciation for vinyl culture & then their is "vinyls" collectors with their cool crosley's who are disgusting like you!
The people who buy vinyl only to resell at insane prices annoy the fuck out of me. I've only started to collect vinyl recently and as a broke af student, people who buy vinyls and resell them at a minimum of £150/£200 a piece on ebay just piss me off.
Fatal_Envy
Vinyl... the word is Vinyl. no s at the end. The plural of vinyl is vinyl.
Fatal_Envy but what if the listing was originally set at $20 and was bid up to 200 you can't really blame them
To be fair, if I ran into that Starks Reality record for cheap I'm selling that shit no second thought😂😂
Yes you can, They put it on eBay knowing full well that a lot of people want it and that the price will likely increase. If they were going to be satisfied selling it for 20-30 they would sell it on Discogs.
Thats how the world works. People buy things and resell them for more money. I'm not going to sell something for less because you're broke. You think a record store is any different?
To be honest, I'm the one who buys the CD's (No Vinyls) and doesn't listen to them. When I buy a CD, I directly rip it to my digital collection and listen to it there. I know it may sound stupid to a non collector but for me it's pretty normal. I love to collect things and I'm also a lot into Cover art. So to present the music I listen to digitally, in a physical way, I buy some CD's of bands I really like eventhough I only listen to them digitally. That's why I kind of get the point with people who are buying Vinyl but aren't listening to their vinyls. As long as they listen to the music they bought on vinyl in some way, no matter if it may be digitally or actually on that vinyl they bought, it makes sense to me.
this is me as well. I also have a couple of Vinyl, of albums that I know i truly love and will never hate or forget, same goes for my CD collection. And If i need any other music that I enjoy but isnt a fanboy of (lets say Rihanna or Phil Collins) I just download it illegally and store it in my digital collection lmao
And can't forget deluxe bundles. I'm a sucker for literally anything that comes with an album
Haha yes! That's so me :D Deluxe bundles are great, I especially love it when albums come with shirts.
Teppichrasen Yes!!
Mate, we all do, don't worry.
"Oh no it wasn't in the perfect environment for 10 seconds it's probably ruined." Spot on!
I was once called a "pre-neutered fish" by a so-called "audiophile/music enthusiast" because I was listening to Dark Side of the Moon
about the crossley.... i'm 35. i've been playing records since i was five, i dont live online (especially in previous years) and i missed all the stigma about the cruisers and bought one, it was kinda crappy but hey at least it played although i had problems when trying to connect it up to my stereo system. it ended up being a complete waste of money though as a few months later i bought a second hand pl-112d pioneer deck, it was a small amount more than the original price i paid for the cruiser but man... the difference is outstanding!!!
if you only buy thrift store vinyl, have a collection of old cheesy singles or just enjoy the sound of lo-fi crackly music in your bedroom a crossley is fine. most everyday people in the 70's and 80's that i remember had cheap horrible all in one record/radio/cassette players that as a rule weren't a lot better than the crossleys, however if you're spending serious scrilla on new, rare or collectors vinyl you'll want to invest in a nice deck to play it on. you'll also get the most out of the amazing sound of your music! happy collecting guys!!
david hatred THANK YOU. I'm 21 and over the past few years I've gotten into collecting vinyl, and I honestly feel like the crossley hate is so overblown because my parents also grew up using similar all-in-one players back in the day. So it doesn't make sense to me that so many people assume that the modern equivalent is automatically gonna just chew through records. Some have, but the majority cases I've seen from friends/family/online have not put a single dent in their stuff
If you go on tumblr aesthetic accounts I swear most of the people who take pictures of their vinyls probably don't actually listen to them.
Alaina Weirdo or they don't even own a record player
Vinyls?
Don't shit on other people for trying to be cultured and trendy when you still say vinyls.
lol this is so true.
vinyls vinyls vinyls vinyls
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All valid points except for one: Crosleys are not OK for anyone, period. Crosleys DO ruin records, I know from experience. Much nicer setups can be purchased for around the same price. No need for 1000 dollar setups, but no need for Crosleys either.
I have a somewhat expensive turntable (Lp120), but in case mine breaks, what budged turntables can I get that won't ruin my records?
Kirby Crab You can get a vintage used turntable for cheap.
I see, thank you!
vintage record player have tracking forces that go up to 40 grams
where did you hear that from? the only record players that track at such a high tracking force are phonograph records from the 1920s.
I grew up in the 80s before CDs took over and records were just a medium for listening to music with. We never thought much about the actual vinyl discs the music came on at all. The way people get all anal about handling records and the perfect turntable setup and how they sound so much better than digital seems ridiculous to me. When CD finally became popular and affordable we were stoked. We could finally dump vinyl with the skipping, popping, crackling and having to get up to turn over to Side B every 20 mins. and spending precious money to replace styluses every 6 months and so on. In 1989 CDs were the hippest thing ever. Vinyl was dead. Digital sound was cleaner and clearer than anything we'd ever imagined before. It was like a light switching on. Vinyl didn't sound "warm" to us at all, it just sounded muddy.
spot on totally agree with you,the light going on for me was hearing pink floyd on CD.
agree.you probably need a thousand dollar set up to get the elusive superiority the hipsters are talking about.i listen to my records on a 1970s console stereo and the sound is far from superior.it plays and im happy.but your right
skipping crackling and popping.. sounds like you enjoyed abusing your records.
I remember seeing someone post their Vinyl collection on r/Vinyl with mostly Metal/Hardcore records and it got downvoted a ton, but the same ol' Run The Jewels records get upvoted hundreds of times.
I WANT THAT PINK EGOMANIAC VINYL.
Because it looks awesome. Not because I want to buy a vinyl-player and listen to it.
william timonen you are the person he's talking about
+Nick Coble IT’S A JOKE
Hey. Kongos. Nice
It kills me every time I go into my local record shop and the lady thinks I'm just buying vinyl to be trendy but I have been into jazz vinyls since I was a child , my parents brought me up on vinyl
I buy vinyl and all, try and avoid the community as best I can. And I've gotta agree.
Edit: yes I have realised that I added an 's'
*vinyl
well we appreciate the effort what are "vinyls" there is no such thing as "vinyls"?
oh, stfu
I fucking hate that deadmau5 avatar thingy I see everywhere.
James you think that it's DeadMau5?
Why do people leave the shrink wrap on? They get happy when the shrink has a sticker on it. When I was buying albums, the first thing I did was rip the shrink wrap off.
Same, lol..... like, cool sticker and all..... but, it need to be torn off😬
As a casual collector with a Crosley it's my biggest pet peeve when people shit on them. I can't afford the best on the market and it's not hurting anyone so leave it be.
On social media I had someone turn their nose up at me over audiophile equipment. She was condescending and snooty thinking it's normal to gloat about owning expensive gear and components. Forget being an audiophile. She must be dense to think it's cool to brag about being rich ,period
I took my hundred Burt Bacharach albums that I bought from a charity shop and made a giant house of cards in the garden. Is that OK?
xjames118 what else are you going to do with a Burt Bacharach album?
Love your rant! Okay, you may be a "newbie hipster" but you got it RIGHT, bro! I've been collecting LP'S since the late 1950s , and according get to those you're talking about, I've been doing everything wrong. Yet, my LP'S are still great sounding condition. Thanks for calling them "RECORDS"! Bravo to you!
Your first point is pretty much Fantano's fanbase
not really. fantano is a goofball and not a music elitist.
branm25 not sure how lol.
calebxw Im not saying Fantano is, i love him. But his fanbase is FULL of music elitists
you mean people that treat music like art and not sounds to bop your head to. If that's an elitist that I guess i'm an elitist.
tomdotexe that does not make you an elitist. What would make you an elitist would be if you feel "above" over other music listeners because of your taste.
The beginning is too real😂😂😂 Like, "Don't put your filthy hands on that vinyl!!" Well what am I supposed to do? Use my telekinesis to lift the vinyl out of packaging? Vinyl collectors need to understand that we need to physically take out the vinyl somehow to put it on the record player😂
I'm a cassette collector. The tapes have a cool mojo, great community, and cost less than a dollar at thrift stores (less than $10 on bandcamp). It's cheap, fun, portable and not picked over at thrift shops! Though there is another collector on my turf... luckily he leaves the estate sales alone but he has gotten some cool finds at my goodwiil even just an hour before i get there
But yeah the cassette community is actually fun. Most all of us are thrifters and love DIY shit, its fun
Clacking Computer I'm a cassette collector too!!
Niiice! Glad to see some other fans here :D
i prefer riding a bike with tapes.you can transport them alot easier and they dont scratch and skip when you hit a bump.cargo pockets and a walkman.good to go.belt clips disaster 50% chance
"Sitting in Seattle somewhere listening to The National" ...lol.....
Not expecting the opening to be mentioning The Wonder Years. Pleasant surprise
Funny thing, I've got tons of vinyl - but it's all my parents from the 70s and 80s. They're all in pretty bad shape, but I don't mind. They're for listening to, not looking at.
yay i love your rants
With respect, you're constantly contradicting yourself. You're OK with people spending a ton of money on records to play them on a cheap TT that will truly destroy them (because physics) but not OK with people spending a ton of cash on vinyl just to own a physical copy of their favorite records (circling back to your own point about "it's their vinyl, let them do what they want with it"). You diss on "hipsters" going to record shops and buying obscure records that they might genuinely love and cherish then immediately get defensive about YOUR own collection that probably has some records like that as well.
I also never understood why people (mostly young adults and teenagers) get offended when someone gently and intelligently tries to educate them on record care especially if it's super apparent that they have no clue about it (yet). "Let them do what they want, it's their album"... Well, looking forward to these people getting their kids a bike one day. Who are you to tell them what to do with it, just let them figure out how to ride it themselves, no need to give a little benevolent guidance.
Let others listen to what they want to listen to and educate them (and yourself) on the actual process of playing and caring for vinyl. No need to discuss it further.
Ambrus Nagy You're right. Jon does tends to say bull shit things. Like when he criticized Imagine Dragons for "not having a niche".
Hey look, it's the person Jon was referring to in this video!
aye we got a great example of some of those people jon mentions in the video
I think I presented my points in a rather reasonable way but don't hold back to call me out on the incorrect or abusive things I might have said. Jon is clearly contradicting himself a lot and I still can't see why you would get offended by people trying to nicely educate you on a thing you're supposed to care about. And now I'm preparing for the 5-10 word impulse reactions with no substance whatsoever. Care to break the cycle?
They don't. And they suck anyways.
And I'm sitting here still playing with Compact Cassettes
I feel like this whole video could be called Rant of vinyl hipsters. I have been collecting vinyl for years and years and years. I have never had a problem with anyone real collector in the "vinyl community" and after talking to someone for a very short period of time you can tell if they know what they are talking about or not.
I find that the albums I listen to the most on vinyl are my Synthwave records just because it's perfect for when I'm doing my homework or toking up
I appreciate this video so much. Keep the honest videos and rants coming!! Always love to hear your opinions
I hate when people say "vinyls".
FINALLY I found that one comment
VaderVinyl I hate when people say vinyl. They’re records or LPs.
Vinyls
*V I N Y L S*
I have always said "vinyl records"
I got my first vinyl yesterday. It's to pimp a butterfly and I used amazon. I don't have a lot of money for these kind of things but it's a great deal since I get a free version for my phone. Also who are these arseholes who buy albums like blonde on vinyl and resell it for £200?
Sami Ali People who make enormous amounts of money off of vinyl records. Dumbass kid.
Andrej Jovićević can u shut the fuck up
You know what I hate? People that inherit their parents' awesome record collection. I hate them out of pure envy.
Most Audiophile vinyl record experts have no knowledge at all, just because you have pro tools doesn't mean you are one.
Recently found out my buddy collects vinyl. So I'm looking more into the topic because I've always been interested in vinyl. I think this can become a great conversation starter between my friend and I.
Cassettes are love cassettes are life
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Here he complains about vinyl elitists and then gets elitist about un boxing. Just pointing out the irony. I don't really care lol
Too your point about people buying records without playing them, I actually did that for a while, it's not really a big deal, I wanted too buy music too support my favorite artists, and the concept of records are just cool, they have cool big art, come with tons of physical extras and hold their value more than CD's, also what better way too support the artist than buying the most expensive version of their product.
Zak
Old comment but the best way is to see them live and get a shirt or something.
They will only get a few dollars if you buy a 20$ record from them.
Sure, but like I said "and the concept of records are just cool, they have cool big art, come with tons of physical extras"
I never said "I AM PURELY BUYING THIS TO SUPPORT THE ARTIST AND NOTHING MORE"
Zak
Lots of records don't come with anything extra.
I've been buying records for 40 plus years now and have some that are worth lots of money, but I play them. That's a great point you make. I actually gave away about a third of my collection because I no longer listened to it. If I buy it (I stopped buying new records about three years ago when prices started getting out of hand) I play it.
Treat your records however you want. If you fingerbang them before giving them a nice needle fuck on a suitcase player, go for it. As long as you enjoy yourself and the music, that's what matters.
*Just don't ever bring those records back into circulation on the used market. That's when it does affect others.*
Vinyl is a lossy format. If i buy a used copy of something that looks fine, but was played on your Crosley for 2 years, it's going to sound like it when played on a nice system.
All of these statements are right on point. I haven't had a good laugh like this in a while. Keep on collecting dude! \m/
I wear glasses, I drink coffee I collect vinyls but I play them daily am I bad
Blurry Clique nah
+Blurry Clique *vinyl
Beyond ARTV WOW quit being an elitist
Blurry Clique
Vinyl man Vinyl. There is no such word as Vinyls.
just don't grow a beard.
tbh I never understood why vinyl is so fucking popular. I mean mp3 for me is cheaper,easier, it takes off less space and you don't have to worry about the record being chipped and damaged.
edit: and also CDs
edit2: I'm guilty with no.2. I have a Abbey road album by the Beatles but I don't have a turntable yet.
My entire set up is from a thrift store. Kenwood turntable for ten bucks, amp for 15. 4 speakers for 5 dollars each, speaker wire for 3 dollars! Man, it's a great life. I owned 6 records before I got my setup to work. It took about 6 months to get all the right gear though, haha
It's about spreading knowledge. I'm glad that somebody gave me these tips when I was younger. I have a higher-end system now, but not always. I still have my first records that I received 40 years ago, one from my deceased grandfather, and they're still in like-new condition.
I spent 30 bucks on my record player and I don't even need an amp, best 30 bucks I ever spent! I currently have 3 records
Good points! I see vinyl elitists on YT saying 'factory sealed and I'm never going to open it.' I get it, you know, it's like Star Wars action figures new in the factory sealed package coveted by someone forever. Dudes, play your damn records! Also, never buy pricey 'audiophile' records without first listening on YT or like I do, Amazon unlimited. If it's that great, yeah, go for it. For example, I got Pink Floyd's Relics on audiophile vinyl. Why? Because in my humble opinion, it's in my top ten favorite albums of all time and I own the CD, too. So, like, if there's an album you love so much you can play it over and over a million times, yeah go for it, get it.
Hey Jon, I don't mean to intrude, but I am curious how everything is with the Patreon account. I wish I could help, but I am currently unable to make a pledge. I hope I can soon, but I hope it's going well for you.
Someone tried to rudely correct me when I touched the very outer edge and the area where the needle rests. There's hardly grooves in the rest area 😂😭
im gonna start my collection with gorillaz self titled album, been listening to it since i was an infant :)
Well, for me I do like digital because I can just put it on my mp3 player and take it anywhere, but with CDs and Vinyl, it actually feels like you own it. You can pick it up and look at the disc, flip through the lyric booklet and enjoy all the art that went into it, you can read the lyrics while you listen to the album instead of going online to look up the lyrics. And that is why I like physical copies of albums. Besides, a wise man once said "there's no romance in a mouse click - Jack White".
I agree on the last point. It's a lot worse in the black metal scene. People will buy a new band's LP that's limited to 100-500 copies and put it up for sale an hour after buying it for 10 times the list price. It's absurd
"let's see what my new vinyl looks like"
"Oh I gotta clean it now"
I couldn't stop laughing at the opening lol
I know what you mean about rare records that people will save up, I've been trying desperatly to find a blue/ white burst variant of Crown The Empire's "The Resistance" which was limited to 300 copies and I've found several people who have it unopened and no plans to ever open it, they're just holding on for some reason.
My parents got a record player that belonged to my grandparents and it's been around since the 50s and it still works they had this really decent vinyl collection too with mostly country like Dolly Parton, Johnny Cash, Waylon Jennings, etc. And gospel but there's also some pop, disco and rock as well like The Beatles, The Bee Gees, The Eagles, Elvis, Billy Joel, etc. I've bought some of today's vinyl myself mostly Taylor Swift but I wouldn't really call myself a collector because I just don't have the money to collect it but I have an impressive CD collection tho 😊😊
Vinyls weren't available here until the big craze started so unfortunately it's hard for me not to feel like someone following the trend. I've only started collecting in the last 10 months and I've mostly stuck to my favourites that I've listened to on cd. I think my first vinyl purchase was the Two-Tone compilation.
To be fair, handling your records badly is not looked down upon because its different to how others do it, its because its objectively bad and viewed as a sin kind of. Its not about controling others to be the same way, its about doing it a better way.
But then I find it funny that in the very next topic you tell other people that they should buy a record player if they have records. Pretty Ironic :^)
Music is sacred, so its not ok to buy records for money, but it is ok to handle them badly? Seems legit.
Hey there.
What do you think about the idea of someone seeing a vinyl record on ebay or one of the Facebook vinyl record sights that he/she wants real badly but, gets beat to buying that exact same album by someone else?
I'm going to remember this guy. So I don't accidentally click on of these rants again.
Step off your pedestal. Just because you do something one way doesn't mean everyone else's way is wrong.
The only way I'll go on Amazon and buy a record is if I really can't find them in multiple record stores.
I agree with you. I'm glad that you're easy on the people who are wanting to get into vinyl as I don't have the money for a player yet. I'm probably going to get the $80 one when I'm able to and start making a slow collection.
4:19 that is me at the moment because I just got a box of really old records just to find out they play at 78 rpm and my record player is 33 and 45 rpm. also I just want to say thanks for helping make me a better person. no sarcasm just saying thanks.
Wait, you're not supposed to touch the edge of the record? How else are you supposed to get it out? I just tried getting it out without touching the sides and it's a pain in the ass.
Chris W
Get it by the label.
You can touch the outside of the record, but pinching it with your fingers gets oil on it.
Great down-to-earth observations on vinyl and the community. You would think that people would encourage people to get into vinyl in any way possible to encourage sales, rather than hate on those who don't do it their way.
Good video.
Your talking about records man. I completely agree. I hate that everyone today calls them vinyl but who cares. When I was younger, if someone said "vinyl", they would have though you were talking about your kitchen floor tiles or something. They're records, they're meant to be played and that vintage copy of Pink Floyd The Wall you found, had been touched and abused hundreds of times by wasted teenagers despite how "mint" it looks.
I bought a record for 90€ once ("Eros" by Dun) and it was already the second pressing (first one from 1981, second one from 2014) but was sold out so fast that the resellers ask horrendous prices for it. And 90€ was the cheapest offer.
On the other side I bought the first Offspring album (s/t) on vinyl (first pressing) for 5€ from a classmate 15 years ago... and by this time it already was worth way over 100€. But I played the shit out of it.
Luckily many labels release new pressings of older and sold out stuff, so that people don't have to pay the high prices (ofc the labels want their part of the cake)...unless they really want the original one.
If newer records are mastered from the original master tapes they will even sound better (like the "Pink Floyd - Dark Side Of the Moon" re-mastering from 2016) than the original ones.
So sometimes I get weird looks when I go for a remastered newer edition instead for the original one.
My music collection is mixed with pop music and rock music, and I have some records that are prized possessions, especially one from a band called Fightstar and I got it in 2020 and I am keeping hold of it, because you can't get it brand new anymore, and I have mostly albums by First Aid Kit and Nickelback in my collection, just recently with Get Rollin on Vinyl, and usually my rule is to have 4 Vinyl records of one artist at least, if not more, unless you want it, but it depends on what you can find and how you can afford it.
While I appreciate the time you took to make this video and I respect your personal opinions, what's the difference between you and the "vinyl collectors" your ranting about? Is your opinion on these things more important? I watch a shit ton of vinyl collection videos and although I come across a few things you've mentioned(especially the crosley thing) but for the most part "vinyl collectors" seems to be a pretty broad classification. It's entertaining to me to see and hear other people's opinions but to get upset about it is a waste of time. Wait, why am I commenting? Fucker! You tricked me!! Great video man:)
I actually agree with you on all your points, but I would like to know your opinion on artists these days who just want a pressing of their record just because they think its cool. I can typically identify these records fairly well in stores because there are a lot of copies there and me and my friends who collect even wonder why it even exists on vinyl
I do understand the bias against crosleys but I want to modify mine anyway. The only problem I really have with it is the tone arm is too short leading to the last few songs having a bit of noticeable distortion, to combat the I want to add length to it somehow. But yeah all these points are valid. If you think music listening vinyl heads are bad, you should hear the vinyl head DJs.
Most of mine are from a thrift store. I didn't have a record player for a while, but I loved having a part of music history even though I couldn't play them. My prize vinyl is my "Grand Illusion" album by Styx. Its original. And I only got it for $1. I got started collecting because they fascinated me, I like collecting old parts of the music industry and having a piece of it. :) I do have a record player now though and I enjoy getting to listen to my vinyls now. Great video man.
I buy most new albums on vinyl. Sometimes if an artist doesn't release an album on vinyl I won't get it. I love going to shows and buying the openers records if I like them and if they have vinyl. I try to listen to records as much as I can I have over 300 so it's tough to put them all into rotation. There are some older albums I don't listen to much like Beach Boys, Queen, Zepplin. It's actually kinda funny I look for a specific record to listen to and end up taking out 10-20. My worst habbit besides buying way too many records, is listening to only on side of an album and just stoping.
all good points - the reseller people annoy me so much - there was a vinyl box set that i really wanted and it came on pre order at £90 (about $130) and i didn't have the money to buy it for quite a few weeks- anyway when i went back to order it it had sold out and a couple of months later it was released and within a few days people had listed copies online at 4x the price - it's so lame :( I understand people wanna make money but when they only make 500/a few 1000 copies it seems really crappy when the people who actually want it can't buy it because greedy people are just buying them up to sell on for ridiculously high prices..
I love my crosley that high tracking force and built in speakers. You got a quality setup.
Yup, that last point is my personal hate about the community. Like i understand selling rare records for big money, its when they are listed as sealed that it annoys me like it basically underlines that seller doesn't like or appreciate the album that they have so how can they ask big money for something has no worth to them...
I started my vinyl collection in January of this year because I wanted to own physical copies of music, although I can’t afford a player yet. I'm planning to get one in the future and by then I will have many great records to play! Can’t wait :)
Who cares what someone does with the records they’ve bought ! They bought them fair and square just like anyone else if they want to hang them up and just look at em get over it their money their prerogative and just as judgmental as the other things covered here
Jon, great video!!! I want to ask you something. Let's see, I am collecting CDs and vinyls (I only own 20 CDs and 6 vinyls to this day) and I really want a record player, but I will only buy either a CD player or a vinyl player. Which one do you recommend me? Depending on which I buy I will stop buying the other format (If I buy a CD player I will stop buying vinyls until I have in mind buying a vinyl player and viceversa).
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*Vinyl
*Record player
IMO get a turntable.
But it will cost you more than a CD player.
I got a vinyl copy of Enslaved - E on that album's prerelease show in Bergen, Norway. I did not have a record player at the time. I'll fight you on the street if you say that was not worth it kid xD
Seriously just start collecting records even if you don't have a turntable yet, it's super fun.
I have this LP and a Fluance RT82 turntable. Let me just tell you it sounds amazing on vinyl.
I've been collecting records for about 2 and 1/2 years now and I have about 250 to 300 or something like that I haven't counted. But what I'm saying is I definitely agree with you on the whole touching the record thing and people being way too obnoxious about how people criticize you for it. But i listen to a lot of music and all the records that I've actually paid full price for and not just got really cheap I have listened to at least twice. Some of the albums I don't love and I bought them because of praise and it's place in history but also because sometimes vinyl will have a weird effect on me and make me listen to it a different way. A prime example of that are bands like The Smiths and Galaxie 500 where I heard them online and cds and for whatever reason they just didn't resonate with me but when I heard them on vinyl I grew to love them. Albums like On Fire by the latter of the bands I mentioned has become one of my favorites of the 80's. I also have a lot because I'm a collector along with being a fan. I see your point of only buying albums you love which I definitely do but also im a completist and have albums from bands where I love some of their stuff and not so much the other albums but still own it. Weezer is an example of that. I also totally agree with you on the whole aesthetic bullshit. It's just another form of basic except people want you to believe they're deep and unique when really they're not. It's really annoying actually. I can't tell you the amount of girls I've met who seemed really cool and turned out to be really fake and like everyone else. So yeah thought I'd share my opinions on the whole community and my reasoning for buying vinyl. But I can tell you one thing, for me it's always about the music first and everything else comes second.
I buy physical copies in general to own a piece of music that i love. In a world where i can listen to most music for free, i do just that, but if i really enjoy an album i buy physical. Physical is good for several things like the album art, the ability to fall back on them when you cant listen digitally, and the fact you are giving artists you enjoy money for every piece of art they put into the release, not just a disposable digital file. Vinyl album art and liner notes are the best to own, way more substance for your money, they honestly don't always sound better. Sometimes people buy old cheap records not only to bolster their numbers as you may think but also because its a piece of underrated music history. But most personally my music collection is a gallery of timestamps. A guide to what music has has emotionally effected me through the years. They serve as memories of me and my high school friends searching through music sections of the Hastings we used to frequent before they went out of buisness. My music taste and its evolution on display so i never forget where i started.
Trent Foster
Wouldn't you be giving the artist more money if you go to a concert and buy a T shirt?
Eh that has nothing to do with physical copies of albums.I never said i don't do those things, which I do when i have time and a ton of money to spend on gas AND merch (I live in a tiny town where the nearest venue is a warehouse 2 hours from here and barely any good non-local artists play at it.) My best explaination of why that isn't enough for me is concerts happen but once and Tshirts aren't the same as album art. A lot of artists put effort in their physical releases, way more effort than they put into their shirts. Also my brain works in a way that it's almost obessed with collecting, i can't really explain that.
The two biggest hipster vinyl band at the store I work at are ween and neutral milk hotel.
Another "elitist" trait I see alot is jumping on people for saying "vinyls" it makes me want to say it in solidarity.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS! I am going to be getting a record player soon, and my top choices were to get a crosley or a victrola. I then looked on TH-cam and saw that those choices were "hated" but then I saw this. Im guessing the type of record player doesn't matter that much. :)
Çerastes well too late cause i got a crosley a while ago and it's perfectly fine
I only pick up vinyls that are my favourite bands. I get the limited colours as only 500 or so are made, so it feels a little more personal. I do frame them as they look great and have a Download card in them so its a win win for me.
Thank you jon for mentioning some people have crosley. Not everyone is made of money, i'm only 16 and sure i'd love to have a better setup but what i have now is working for me
Trevor Sullivan You can get better tables for the same price or cheaper so that excuse is real silly.
Crosleys sure look nice, and if they work for you, just enjoy and don't worry too much. But if your collection gets bigger, you'd be probably better off saving up for a better record player. A Pro-Ject Essential or Debut, Rega P1 or a Audio Technica AT-LP120 is not too expensive. They also have less tracking force, that's better for your records in the long run, they'll last longer.
Mervin van Veen What is your opinion on the Audio Technica Lp 60? Do you recommend this as oppose to the AT lp120. At the moment I have a Crosley (I got as a gift). I'm kind of swaying towards the lp60 since it's cheaper than the 120.
LP120 is a huge upgrade. It is one of the best on the market (without being high end). It has all the controls you want (pitch, 3 speeds, reverse, adjustable counter weight, anti-skate), as well as usb capability. If you aren't keen on the cost, lp60's do the job without the bells ans whistles. As far as I understand, they are much better with tracking force than crosleys even though they don't have an adjustable counterweight, they still have come sort of counter system.
"BITCH, THIS IS MY COLLECTION!!!!!" xD
That was funny!
I have a large collection of albums But I'm not a vinyl collector. Sixty years ago You had to bye the album to be able to listen to the music You liked whenever You wanted too. Today You don't have too. Music is very much an on demand thing.
Hate when people ask me if I'm vinyl collector and I tell them no. And they never ask me why.
Right now I don't have the best record player but it doesn't bother me right now, as long as it works it's fine. But later when I'm older and moving out I'm thinking about getting a full setup with big speaker, stereo and bass. And I'm also probably gonna buy shelf so I can sort out my LP's and my EP's
ive wanted to start a vinyl collection for SO LONG but i dont actually have a vinyl player and it would be stupid to get vinyl without a player, but my birthday was saturday and i got a fair amount of money, so i bought a record player and my first vinyl (which was paramore's brand new eyes)
and btw it was indeed a $40 dollar record player and a plain black vinyl off amazon. dgaf.
I feel like I sort of fall under your third point. I do only get albums I really love on vinyl, but I still don't think I would've gotten them if it weren't for how aesthetically pleasing I find the records and the covers in large form, just because of how much more convenient CDs are. I even have some albums on vinyl I already owned on CD (although that's partially because I only got a record player late last year and had already collected CDs for some time). That being said, even though I don't think I wouldn't have gotten the vinyls if it weren't for how they look, I've never actively looked for other record collectors or tried to seem cool because of my collection. If I find someone who shares my taste who collects vinyl I'll obviously be keen to start up a conversation, but I still think saying it's bad to get vinyl for the aesthetic is a bit of a generalization.
Hey I wear glasses and have a record player. Lol I totally agree. I got a case like player last Christmas and I like casually shopping for records at local stores. I love going in the bargain bins and take pride in not spending more than $15 on a record. I don’t consider myself a purist by any means and I just enjoy spinning records and can hear a difference.
I mainly use vinyl for stuff I can't get on Spotify. Had to buy In Rainbows on vinyl until they FINALLY added it to Spotify!!