Apotheosis, while I couldn’t agree more... this was actually my first recorded video for TH-cam with my laptop as opposed to my old handheld and while the frame showed me in the view of my screen, it completely cropped different when rendering for TH-cam...not sure why, but lesson learned. Ha
I think it is best to buy what you like regardless of perceived value. There is no guarantee that some object will go up in value. Genuine rareness is not even a guarantee of future profitability. Just buy what you even if they do not seem cool to your friends and other collectors.
I don't know if you've ever heard mono before, but, it doesn't all come out of one channel. Mono means there's no stereo separation and both speakers play the exact same thing.
Your right! I prefer mono. Live music is not heard in stereo. When i started collecting many years ago i decided to buy mono. In those days stereo was a novelty. Racing cars going left to right...wow etc. Then it was gee you can hear these guys on the left and those guys on the right. To me mono is a more natural and fuller sound.
Well said. The same sound comes out of each channel equally, and if you have a half decent system the 2 channels should merge, and project fromthe centre spot between your speakers.
@@alansenzaki4148 "Live music is not heard in stereo." HUH? You have two ears, don't you? Oh wait, you're serious? Let me laugh even harder. Stereo gives a recording auditory depth, the same way having two eyes gives your sight visual depth. Mono would be "more natural" only to people with one ear ...and they wouldn't be able to tell the difference. Maybe you think sight would also be better with only one eye? That was the stupidest thing I've read all week.
@@MrDeathpilot Not all stereo versions are better, it depends on how the record has been mixed. For example, the first pressing of Blue Cheer's Vincebus Eruptum from 1969 sounds way better in the mono version as the instruments sound like they are in the background and the singing is at the forefront and is clear. In the stereo version, the instruments and voice seem to merge and it sounds a bit of a mess... You'd think it would be the other way around but they were just mixed differently with the mon version having a better mix.
Inner sleeves! Inner sleeves! Inner sleeves best investment you can make to keep your lps lasting a long time more important in my opinion than the outer sleeves
Oh: And on the subject of returning a record to the sleeve, starting about 13:15, he didn't stress it, but did you notice how he slid the sleeve in with the opening facing up so it's not open on the same and as the jacket? So many lazy people leave the sleeve with the opening on the same side as the jacket opening, so you can just tip and dump your record out. That's a No No. As easy as it is to dump records out without pulling the sleeve, it's just that easy for bugs and dust to just waltz right in (or fox trot, or macarena their way in) and get all over your records! Again, at the bargain bin, look at the vinyl. See that extra dirt along one edge of the album? That's why!
if it was just dust and dirt that can get in there i'd still would not have learned my lesson. i had my vinyl stored like that, and put them in the crate with the opening facing up so even more dust and dirt could fall down into the sleeves. but dust and dirt wasn't what made me hate myself for doing it wrong ... at 6:46 he starts talking about his dogs and "leg lifting accidents" - well, guess what my cat did while sitting on top of the record crate ? having all the records in those clear cover protectors he mentions did not help me at all - obviously so for anyone reading this: don't be as dumb as i was and store them with the opening of the inner and outer sleeve facing up at the same time ... outer sleeve opening sideways, inner sleeve rotated 90 degrees - that's how you should do it.
@@KenjiTech If your records are that precious to you (i know mine are to me) treat them with a little respect and store them in purpose made boxes or cabinets.
Nice video, great tips. Thank you. Just one tip/reamark though. Always wet clean your new record! You wouldn’t believe the amount of postpressing dirt in the grooves some companies leave behind. After doing so, one should change the inner sleeve straigh away. Two reasons for that: 1) there is always a lot of dirt inside the original sleeve, 2) a lot of inner sleeves are made from quite rigid paper leaving nasty „paper scratches” on your record. Since most of them have some information/pictures I don’t throw them away and keep them separately for „collecting reasons”.
Fantastic information. I keep some heavy duty replacement inner sleeves for special discs, but I suppose I need to do that with more of them at this point.
In regards to the Turntable. The worst thing you can actually do is play a modern stereo record on a 1940s/1950s/1960s ?kiddie? record player. Some of those track at over 15grams. Also crosleys don't damage vinyl. this is a myth that has been circulating for years. Most lps are built to withstand 8 to 10 grams of tracking force.
Great vid...very informative. I picked up on mistakes I wasn’t aware of making. As a novice record collector and seller myself, I’d love to see you do a separate segment on how to do due diligence research on records and record outlets.
As stated above the first guy who made this comment; the video was in frame but I shot it on my laptop (as opposed to the camera I had always otherwise used) and when TH-cam process the video they changed the framing - in turn cutting my head off at times - it was not something I did in recording - I WAS LOOKING AT MYSELF IN THE FRAME THE WHOLE TIME! Why would I do that??? lol
Buying a bad press was the first mistake I made getting back into the vinyl scene since being a child of the eighties. I had tons of vinyls and to be clear didnt take care of them the way I do now but I enjoyed the hell out of them. However I bought an Iggy pop and David Bowie repressing before joining Discogs, and figuring out what pressing were good or not. So I made the mistake once and never again. Great video.
One very important thing that was not mentioned is to CHANGE your stylus OFTEN. Find out the recommended lifespan for your stylus and CHANGE it before you get to that point. Keep a running total of needle time if it helps you (that's what I do') and put the stylus on the record gently. By regularly changing your stylus, it keeps your records playable for longer. As it often states on record sleeves or inners, a worn or chipped stylus can cause irreparable damage to your records.
The biggest mistake record collectors make....not starting the year before they actually started lol. Great vid. So many ways to enjoy vinyl, records, and music stuff. If your collection makes you smile ear from ear and you LOVE IT!!! Your collection is doing something right. I think most of us tend to grow and change over time anyway as we get more into vinyl.
I started watching this video at 7:18 P.M. and just finished it now after *43* minutes. Despite the fact that I don't own any records, I knew most of what you were talking about.
Leaving shrink wrap on your records is a myth. Once you score the shrink wrap, it looses any stress. Still have it on records that are years/decades old, no issue with warping. (Eventually shrink wrap will decay from handling records.) Nevertheless, outer sleeves are a good idea- get the sealed ones.
RumbleBones any new record I buy I leave the shrink on. I just open it just to get the record out. So I put the jacket with the shrink on and I put the record in an anti static sleeve outside the Jacket but inside the outer sleeve. Works well IMO
I think it has to do with the different plastic materials of shrinkwraps. I have shrinkwraps that dont chance their tightness and some who shrunk, made a wave to the cover...
right on ... this "leave shrink wrap on to preserve value" is impractical at best and straight BS at worst. ... and what about gatefolds? you don't really open a gatefold without busting the wrap anyways - and if you don't open a gatefold you might be missing out on some amazing cover artwork or even gimicks - the cover of amon amarth's album "jomsviking" for example has a cardboard viking ship in the center that pops out when you open the cover ... how awesome is that ? i don't keep shrink wrap. i DO keep the hype stickers tho - i just pull 'em off the shrink wrap very carefully and stick 'em onto a clear protective sleeve so the "whole package" looks just like it would with the shrink wrap on
Yes, i always just open the slig and leave the shrink on. I love the shrink on. Honestly, some companies shrink it tighter than others but i still believe what you believe, sugar
I love how you keep your records that you haven't listened to yet. I make the mistake of laying mine flat in a stack and even though I know you shouldn't store them this way I wasn't even considering that even short term it wasn't a good idea. Thanks!
Enjoyed your video. As a collector for over a half century, and have always believed in cleanliness in vinyl, what you say is correct. Additions for my 2 cents would be; 1- wash your hands before playing, cleaning your records. Hand oil is destructive, 2- along with tone arm balance is making sure the anti skate adjustment is set properly. This is critical for the stylus not only to track properly, but save uneven wear on one channel, 3- for best results, play mono recordings on a turntable set for mono playing. All are set for stereo. Have always used 2 turntables, and the difference is quite striking. Especially on 45rpm 7".
1. The cleaning kit with the yellow tub you mentioned is probably the Spin Clean not the Discwasher. 2. The Old country record with the devil on the cover is probably The Louvin Brothers - "Satan Is Real". It was the grail record Alan Zweig wanted in the documentary Vinyl (2000) which can be found here: th-cam.com/video/nkCMSrvOTAo/w-d-xo.htmlm15s. Your videos are awesome man, keep it up!
I had about 5 records in my collection that were still in the cellophane. I'm glad I watched your video. One has been in there for at least 6 years, though it still sounds fine, I can only imagine how it would have sounded in a few years
In regards to the clear protective sheets for LPs, I don’t particularly care for them but I use them religiously now; In the scenario of accidental fluid spilling and/or dust particles. Pet animal leg lifting accidents 🤣! We did’t have no clear protective LP coverings fifty years ago, the LPs has stood in the test-of-time indestructible for decades. I do like the feel of the different textures. But I do have to be on the safe side to protect the LPs for accidental misshapes.
Here's something to share, I do clean outs and found a sealed pressing of Imagine John Lennon Soundtrack dbl album. The cover was covered in black mold. I took the lps out threw it away cleaned the albums with just water and soft record cleaning rag. I couldn't believe it but I cleaned it so well you wouldn't believe it was covered in mold. I played it and it plays very good. Now I have to find just the cover and inner sleeves. LOL. thx for the video.
Yep. 19-year-old kid tells me because he's using a stylus worth 5 times as much as his turntable that he's a vinyl expert and "old school connoisseur of music tech." I asked him if he ever heard of a Technics 1200 and the kid said: "Aint that some second-rate Panasonic knock-off brand from way back, in like, the 80's?" I just left at that point before I felt obligated to euthanize him with a shard of one of his own records. LOL
I've been collecting vinyl since the 1960s. Most of your tips were fine with the exception of #7. Removing the shrink wrap diminishes the value of your albums. I have many albums in my collection that still have the shrink wrap on them, several are from the 60's and they are not warped or damaged in any way because of it. That is just a misconception that has been around for many years.
VinylNostalgia i agree 100% i have an original 1st pressing of metallicas 5.98 garage days and is worth almost 100 dollars more because of tbe shrink wrap and hype sticker it is 31 years old and is straight as an arrow
VinylNostalgia Here here! Not to mention Pink Floyds Wish You Were Here being sold in black shrink wrap as part of the package! Some that still have it on from 1975 are perfectly ok!
@@phantasm1004I've had brand new stuff arrive that isn't factory sealed mainly from HMV. I've no idea why it wasn't nor am I bothered. I've kept shrink wrap on some items just to add an extra layer of protection, but it's not a golden rule for me. I put them in plastic sleeves anyway. What makes it more laughable is that people assume that the record is mint, but you have no idea if it is, or whether it's unplayable. I had an issue with a 12" single of Pink Floyds years ago. Three copies all cracked across from the centre hole and unplayable. Gave up in the end as the shops whole batch was the same. Recently I bought The Wall remastered, sealed and it was scratched to buggery. So open that vinyl folks and check it. You could have a lemon!
Want to say something about plastic outer sleeves! I've been a record collector since the 80s and the first outer plastic sleeves I bought were those with 'seams' on three edges. (guess most of you know which ones I'm talking about) After many years I found out that they also stuck to the covers and some covers got seriously damage when I removed the outersleeves. When I discovered this I removed all the those outersleeves and threw them in the trash can. Since then I have bought other kinds of outersleeves made of polypropylene plastic. These are SUPER CLEAR compared to the most common sleeves made of polyethylene plastic that gives the covers a foggy look that I don't like.
Also, for records made before stereo even existed, especially, the original Mono release is usually preferable inasmuch as it would have been the First Pressing. Like for the Beatles; Uk original Mono pressings are always preferable. Yes, and they do cost more.
Really nice video, thanks. I will add a mistake of myself - "Do not expect cleaning and repairing to magically improve the state of your LP". I used to search for cheap records with a grade of G/G+ hoping that a proper cleaning and a scratch repair will upgrade them to VG+ or higher. It happens, but it is rare. Usually it makes much more sense to pay more and get a pristine copy. Unless it is something really rare like, I don't know, 1st press of Jackson C Frank or Davey Graham.
I feel pretty lucky I am a novice collector, and have only purchased 2 records, both pressings (records / sleeves) are from near mint to very good plus. Discos is essential as a value guide and identifier reference.
Good video, agreed with your points - perhaps I'd add it's not only important to clean the records themselves but also the stylus. Even a clean stylus becomes a chisel over time - a dirty one will do so much quicker. If one finds out too late, stylus is easy to replace at any time, unlike some of the rare and almost impossible to get records. p.s. Hello there, Innerspeaker! ;)
Cool video to watch and yes, there are some valueable tipps included especially this "what should I really buy"-thing, this is a problem for me aswell: After years of collecting I'm now giving away/selling a lot of records because I don't really play them and I have the feeling they "water down" my collection, taking away the focus... whatever, this are vinyl nerd problems, I guess ;) Greetz from another vinyl head from Germany! ;)
Great video Joey, thank you. I've been collecting since my first new record "Something New" by the Beatles around 1964. I don't know why, but I never liked shrink wrap on my records either. I use a Diskwasher brush with cleaning fluid on the initial play of a used record. I use the Audio Technica dry brush just to clean off any dust on subsequent plays. I also replace the plain white paper sleeves with Diskeeper sleeves. I've also found a lot of good info on Discogs website where I buy the majority of my vinyl.
Discogs is a great site and I love what they have done for the hobby! I can't speak for every seller- but it can be tough, even I make mistakes sometimes, but it's a gift to have so much readily available inventory to "dig" through as a collector; the entirety of what they have done has changed the nature of collecting in some ways for the better and in some ways for the worse. THIS GIVES ME AN IDEA FOR A VIDEO!
Great video! I especially can identify with the "want" vs "can," although that probably feeds into my hoarding tendencies, haha. Again, though, great work!
Buying something that you may listen to just to have it seems like a hoarder's mindset. I would do the same if I had more space to store 5,000 LPs, but not all of us have that luxury.
The Bedroom Show Probably best to buy records of your all time favorite bands, or a good selection if you can’t store 5000 records. Since i mainly listen to music online, not on CD, or Vinyl, but really wanna buy Vinyl, of Radiohead, Deftones, and Chill Peppers some day.
At 18:10, I think Daily Vinyl was referring to the 'Satan Is Real' LP by The Louvin Brothers and it is very rare and very expensive (although reissues probably exist).
I cleaned old records covered in nicotine gunk and dust. I had to work fast just so I could keep them in the house. I just used a soft washcloth warm water with some simple green in it. I did the sleeve and album and label.
Hey Joey. I was forced to get rid of at least several hundred of my vinyl records. It had me thinking after my father passes away I'll be able to start visiting some of those vinyl records once again. What do you think? :)
I have a few older records (70's and 80's) in glossy sleeves that previous owners have kept in the cellophane and now the cellophane has become bonded to the gloss and cannot be removed without damaging the original sleeve..... TAKE YOUR RECORDS OUT OF THE CELLOPHANE and buy some quality lightweight outer sleeves. Buy some good quality anti-static inner sleeves too. Do not blow dust off of your records or stylus, this just makes the dust stick harder due to the moisture in your breath. Sleeve notes and great packaging are part of the joy of collecting vinyl. Learn about what you are listening to, where it was recorded, who produced it, or what that wierd sounding instrument is. It can broaden your mind and help you find other stuff that you might like.
Sharkey o, those records were also probably not stored in ideal conditions, not properly cared for by former owners placed in bad places with high humidity,above room temp & place with a lot of direct sunlight etc..i have more than a couple of records from the '70s & '80s with cellophane on them still with no issues.if records are cared for stored properly you should have no issues with them damaging the outter sleeve itself.i agree with you on that you should still place them in a good quality outter sleeve regardless if you leave the cellophane on or not.
The reason that happened is almost certainly because the album cover was VARNISHED rather than LAMINATED. There’s a big difference between the two. Obviously varnish is a coating and that can start to peel off over time, whereas laminate is one continuous piece of invisible “film” that is used to protect and strengthen something. Very old records tended to be varnished. Modern records are nearly all laminated - so the problem you encountered wouldn’t apply to a modern purchase.
knowing full well that most re-issues and modern repress of 1960 to 1990 era releases ( bar a few exceptions, Quality Pressings included ) will not appreciate in value and will only wear down faster mainly due to shallower grooves....i would recommend that even the beginner, ponder the fact that, ORIGINAL PRESSINGS at a higher cost might very well be, a better investment than the opposite....especially when we see how fast the N-M ones are disappearing....which will not be the case with those re-issues for a long time coming...seeing how many there are available everywhere.
When you talk about the shrink wrap, do you mean the wrapping on the outside of the sleeve on new records, or is there one around the disc itself in some cases?
I bought a 2009 remasters of Revolver a few years back and right out of the sleeve it had a scratch and skipped in multiple places. Dissapointed, but not surprised because the remasters aren’t great quality
Thanks for the suggestion about the shrink wrap! A few dozen of my records that I bought 30-35 years ago still have the opened shrink wrap to protect the jackets from things like the dust here in Las Vegas. I never thought it could cause problems. QUESTION:I have about 40 records listed for sale on Discogs that have never been opened. They’re all from 1987 to 1992. Do you think I should open all of them and remove the shrink wrap? I will obviously have to downgrade their value, because they’ll no longer be considered mint condition, but I don’t want them to get warped either.
If you see and feel a massive tightness of the shrink or even pressure on the cardboard cover, i would open it and maybe remove the shrink...as it also can cause warps over time to the wax i guess. Otherwise i would leave the shrink sealed for value. Personally i prefer open NM records over sealed ones because of a warp can be checked. Hated when i bought sealed records and open them to find out they badly warped. If you store them in a not warm environment you should be fine i think :)
NEVER, EVER by a record because it might become valuable, I've been buying and playing records for 40 years and records never really increase in value. Buy what you like and what you'll play. Don't believe me...check record price guides and see how little prices have increased.
but also NEVER, EVER, delay buying a record for too long that you wanna have anyways because you REALLY like the band, music and artwork. in rare cases it might become a collectible sooner than expected and you will bite yourself in the butt for not buying the album a few months back when it was 30 bucks new on amazon because now it's long sold out and is now only available on ebay for almost over 100 ...
KenjiTech : it's happened to me more than once and it drives me nuts. It's a bit of a gamble, trying to guess what can wait from your wish list because there will be many copies available and what will be sold out forever or will cost a fortune
1) Never get rid of an alternate pressing (mono vs stereo, import vs domestic) 2) Get core titles before you go for the rare and listen before you buy 3)Get a female dog to avoid leg lifting incidents 4)Don't be the first to buy a new release 5)Avoid record store day and Black Friday rush 6)Buy cds beforehand if cheap
Excellent suggestions mate! I would only adjust your last one... Find it online and sample it first before buying the vinyl, especially if the album is unknown to you. For me personally, the ONLY ONLY reason I buy a CD, and the last one I think was maybe 5 years ago, is if you absolutely cannot find it in any other format :D
check craigslist, kijiji, or local used stereo shops or old pawnshop, garage sales, etc. the technology in the 80s was top notch and if you find a working direct drive from that era you could be happy with it for another couple of decades and for equal to the cost of a new lower-quality deck. beware belt driven turntables from yesteryear though, as the rubber belts may likely have stretched out or dried up and degraded (they'll snap) but even still, a couple tenners and it can be easily fixed by a pro (or something simple like replacing a belt can be done by a novice sometimes too!)
Also people believe that if the album is popular it has value. For example, someone might say "I have an original pressing of Frampton Comes Alive" and my reaction usually is "yeah, so do thouands of other people".
"Everybody in the world has Frampton Comes Alive. If you lived in the suburbs you were issued it. It came in the mail with samples of Tide." - Wayne's World 2
Make sure that there is no alcohol in your cleaner! - Light mold or dirt can be removed from covers with a light rub of baking soda, make sure the vinyl is away from the baking soda - the reason there are so many Streisand albums in those bins? 54 Gold - 31 platinum - 4 multi platinum. As far as perfect recording quality goes you won't find better.
I have two ways of enjoying records: Playing the junk pile records (78's and up) on old vintage record players and changers, and taking care of and playing the good stuff on the best high(ish) end turntables. I love rooting around piles of old records that I would only play on my 1957 RCA changer that tracks at about 7 to 10 grams. (That's probably still better than a new Crosley.) For the good stuff, I dig out the Marantz, Denon, or even my newest most vintage find, an ELAC Miracord 50H (idler drive but still awesome). It's cool to put a stack of old 45s (don't get me started on styrene) and hear Jan and Dean they way my parents did when they were teenagers. I agree 100% on the whole Crosley thing. If you've just spent $40 on a brand new vinyl release of that favorite album you have on CD or MP3, don't ruin it on a turntable you spent the same amount on as two records! Vinyl depends on a whole mechanical system with all the parts working together to give you top quality sound. If you start with a plastic turntable, that's like starting the design of your car with plastic wheels!
Awesome vid man, very informative and helpful. It was so relieving to see someone have this passion for the craft. People around me don't see my hobby as the hobby that it is but more as a novelty thing I do, and thusly I don't get a lot of good advice, or even any at all sometimes. On that note I'd like to ask your profesional opinion about my two record players. They're both Innovative Techs. One is the portable 5in1 and the other the stationary 6in1. Are these okay players? I heard you say something about all in one players being not that great so now I'm curious. If you're wondering, no, they do not have counter-balances.
Those innovative techs have a fancy nostalgic look to them, and while convenient and priced appropriately will not give you the sound you are looking for; at least the type of quality worth spinning vinyl for at least. And, anything lacking a counter-balance weight on the tonearm runs the risk of damaging your records. I think you already knew most of this, but I would suggest finding something even at a thrift store and piecing together a true setup if you cannot afford to buy something new.
Humidity isn’t an issue here in Adelaide, it’s more of the straight heat in summer that’s a problem. At least I don’t have to worry about mouldy records.
The album you can't remember is by Charlie and Ira Louvin and the title is Satan is Real. One of the greatest brother acts of all time and the definition of "blood harmony".
Elliott Crews I learned this, acquired an original press, and made a video of it :) here th-cam.com/video/F5ElDq-_6Rg/w-d-xo.html if you have any interest
I think the biggest mistake is people buying albums they don't actually like just because the pressing is known to be good. It's just going to sit on the shelf, it's a total waste. Just buy what you like and want to play, and don't worry about the "must have" releases.
Agreed. But... I’m a bit of a completist at heart, so this practice works for say a band I would only want an album or two from, but I have several artists I love that I end up with 9/10 records they’ve put out, then it just feels wrong not buying that last Lp to complete the discography.
Great video, lots of good advice and helpful tips. Quick comment, your #1 mistake could actually be the subject of your entire next posting. The turntable / tonearm / cartridge / amplifier / pre-amplifier / speaker system / cabling selections and how those components and equipment are all mated and matched together (along with the quality and cleanliness of the record) is where the rubber meets the road on quality of sound. Two thumbs up on your video.
I'm from Phoenix as well. My summer solution to warped records was to drive my mom's air conditioned car to Odyssey Records at 12th Street and Camelback only after 9PM. Better yet, swipe her car and do a quick overnight dash to the Tower Records on Sunset (RIP) in L.A.. Yes, I would actually do that. Cheers!
The best way to clean records is a clean sink or bowl full of distilled water and dish soap, maybe some iso alcohol. Grab a microfiber and get to cleanin. The biggest thing is having a seperate bowl of distilled water so you can rinse off the record, that's the key part. All other methods work, but some of that dirt and dust just gets rubbed right back into the grooves. Have to rinse them off after washing to really get all the dirt outta there. It's just like the device you described but id rather not pay $80 for something I can do for $3. I've used this method many times and never had a problem. Medical gloves are also a good idea so you can really handle the record without getting your oils all over it. The dishwasher method I've heard before, and it would be awesome if it worked because that would be so easy. But that hot water doesn't seem like it'd be good for a record.
If, by chance you decide to get into 78 RPM records, you have to realize there were two distinct eras: Acoustic, where they used windup phonos with steel needles to play records that were recorded by having the musicians shout into a horn which mechanically cut the sound into the records. These are the only records you want to play on a player that uses a heavy steel needle. You play them for the novelty, not the fidelity. They will sound like crap by today's standards (though you can be surprised by how a well cared for acoustic 78 on a new needle can sound), but you'll be amazed you can understand them. You're talking about tracking forces in excess of 100 grams, and the needles had to be thrown away after every play (you bought them in bags of 100). Then, probably starting in the 40s, maybe even in the 30s, they had electronically mastered 78s, and were developing better plastics and lighter tracking tone arms. (Some later 78s may have been pressed into vinyl. Definitely don't put a steel needle on those! You hear a clean 1940s or 1950s jazz record that was well taken care of, and you'll be blown away. They can rival LPs and 45s in some cases! Tracking forces were, in the 1950s or so, about 7 to 10 grams with a sapphire or diamond stylus. Unfortunately, there were still a lot of steel needle windups around, and some of those pristine records got played by heavy steel needles! (That's the equivalent of people playing a modern, new vinyl record on a plastic "Crosley" player today.) Then you get into some of the early truly Hi Fi tables, and they could still play 78s. You had to use a bigger stylus, so you switched between a standard LP stylus to play your 33 and 45 RPM records and a bigger (about 3 mils) stylus for the 78s. You get a nice Shure M79ED on your best 70s table with an elliptical stylus for your best vinyl, and you can also get a 3 mil stylus to push onto that cart to play some 78s!
overall you covered the beginner tips thoroughly but i would have to debate you on keeping the cellophane on records aka the shrink wrap, of course this is just my opinion from thorough research & personal experiences.i split the shrink on records at the outer sleeve opening & leave it on and also put a outer protective sleeve on it.i agree the shrink wrap can warp a record from being sealed on there to tight. i've seen fairly new pressings also have this issue because the pressing plant has sealed the shrink wrap on the record to tight. so in short sealed records will become warped if you keep them sealed another reason why you should open your records up and spin that vinyl.but if you unseal the record at the opening of the outer record sleeve & leave the shrink wrap on your records they will not warp you relieve the majority of the pressure the shrink is causing by doing so. i've seen multiple records that are 30+ yrs. still in shrink no warp at all.i personally leave the shrink on also because sometimes they have a hype sticker which can be cool, also in general if a collector sees a album they're seeking and sees it used but still in shrink & in really good condition they will almost the majority of times prefer it to a copy of the same album in similar condition without the shrink (this i'm sure also has to do with personal preference) but this is the preference i've been told by some collectors who are willing to spend serious amounts of money on first pressings.also another thing i don't think you mentioned was the importance of poly sleeves that are non scratching and have a anti static property, i can't tell you how many countless times i've seen brand new records with scuffing,debris & possibly surface noise due to paper sleeves. it's in my honest opinion it's very important to place you cherished records in high quality sleeves in the long run you will see & hear the difference.
nice vid man, this was a good review. I had a very good 60's, 70's early 80's rock collection from the time I was 5 in 1965 to 1985. Got back into vinyl several months ago. I forgot how awesome Who's Next or Yardbirds, many Motown acts Supremes Marvin Gaye, etc, sounds on vinyl. I have a huge CD jazz, rock collection, but really dig vinyl. Addicted once again...to vinyl. Yah, good point on turntables, glad you told the youtube world about Crossley. -
Exelius RCA is not considering the weight of large piles or the timeline that is, at that point, vinyl collecting..they also advocate stacking straight up. I agree with the angel issue and its logic, but the weight of many records piled on top of each other can cause stress cracks and even worse damage. I’d reconsider your methods if you are currently doin this...as more that 5 or so records can lead to the same issues you are opposed to Angeled storage for.
There was an unfortunate tendency for some reissuers of monaural records to electronically transform the tracks into a kind of faux stereo. The worst of these just sent the left channel through a hi-pass filter, & the right channel through a lo-pass (or vice-versa). It was awful. I've got a Sun Ra LP that did it a little more subtly, by introducing a slight phase delay between the two channels, creating a kind of spacey ambience. I still prefer mixing the two channels back into true monaural.
i've gathered it's a bunch of typical indie rock and reissues of items they heard pitchfork recommend in retro-reviews of releases he never really listened to back in the 90s, even off the cd, when they originally came out
Hey Joey. In one of your top ten: confusing stereo & mono pressings. Would that also go for those who buy a Quadraphonic or Digital pressing of an album that they like? :) And what about for those who buy a re-issue pressing or a pressing say on 180 gram vinyl of an album that they like? :) Do you think we'd be better off buying a first pressing of that exact same album? :) Please let me know ASAP. :) Thank you! :)
Good video, but one correction and two suggestions: • The entire Beatles catalog is NOT available in both monaural and stereophonic. Yellow Submarine, Abbey Road, and Let It Be were only recorded in stereo. • It might not be correct to assume that all, most, some, or any vinyl collectors, veteran or novice, don’t know to not expose their records to heat, unless you have some specific data to reference. If someone is going to make the effort and investment to begin a collection, it’s probably a safe bet that they’ve done at least a little research on some basic well-known things about vinyl. In addition, people that live in hot places like you and I (grew up in L.A., but have been in Las Vegas for 22 years and lived in Glendale AZ for almost a year 40 years ago) learn quickly to not leave ANYTHING in the heat, including heat-resistant items! LOL • Finally, very unprofessional to take a drink of your beverage after the recorder has started. Nobody wants to see that unless you’re doing a video related to beverage drinking. ;-) Keep up the good work, though.
Someone has, and I since acquired an original press myself. For not being a religious person, I still enjoyed the compositions on the album, mostly just cool to have at this point though.
notvalidcharacters well it’s not a PBR, it was from Oskar Blues in Colorado ... I love me some Craft Beer. As for the head thing, it wasn’t that way until I processed the video out in moviemaker, it like trimmed the edges to make it the preferred size and I lost some of the top and bottom :/
One of the things that I have come to hate are sealed records. You assume you are getting great quality especially if it’s rare, but through time you get that record home and it’s warped. I would prefer to see the record and there are ways to hold the record to see if they are warped.
No. 10: I have purposely NOT ordered records online in the summertime because of what you talk about. But there is a way to get around the "heat" or "salad bowl" problem - i.e. records left outside by the delivery man in the hot sun - by using Amazon Prime and having your record shipped to an Amazon Locker location instead of your home address. Of course you have to live in an area large enough to have that service available. Plus, Amazon does a lousy job of packaging records, so that is something to consider. Or you can ship to an UPS store location, or USPS PO Box. In a perfect world the USPS/FedEX/UPS delivery person would at least ring your doorbell and wait a minute for a response and then hand you your package stating: "I see that this package contains vinyl media, and there are, no doubt, precious LPs inside, so I wanted to make sure they were hand delivered to you, our no-less-precious customer" instead of leaving your records sitting against your front door, facing directly into the broiling desert sun...ha.
Thank you for your video. You have a nice demeaner and speak well. People criticise your tight shirt and can't see the top of your head etc. but I appreciate your info especially about tone arms and cheap players. Also black mold. God bless.
I can definitely attest to don't buy Crosley record players, because the sound burger that I bought with a built-in radio no less not only spun fast, it apparently ruined every record in my collection and they had to be actually chucked instead of sold in even The Bargain Bin in the Rock Shop. Don't, bye, Crosley! I think it was called the Crosley Cruiser I'm not sure about that.
I bought maybe ten records which were still in their shrink wrap. Most were ok, but in two cases, it badly warped the cover. Not quite sure why, but probably, it kept shrinking, as he said in the video. As good external sleeves are less than 10ct. over here, I don‘t take any risks. :)
if the record got hot enough to shrink the wrap on the outside so tight it compressed the jacket, it was also hot enough to warp the vinyl. its a false cause/effect. total myth.
Placebo. There is no consistent rule with pressings based on time, some of those old pressings may be more authentic to the sounds of their time...which may translate to a more pleasing sound, but then again some modern music is made to sound that way intentionally too..all depends on what you’re looking for I suppose.
Top 1 Mistake Novice TH-cam Creators Make. 1# Staying in frame
just kidding, great video =)
The #1 mistake of novice commenters is putting the number sign after the numeral... LOL
Apotheosis, while I couldn’t agree more... this was actually my first recorded video for TH-cam with my laptop as opposed to my old handheld and while the frame showed me in the view of my screen, it completely cropped different when rendering for TH-cam...not sure why, but lesson learned. Ha
Hahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!
I think the main focus was on the records at least that was my thoughts
hardcorvancour what
Keep your vinyl away from friends who are not educated in the handling of records.
PREACH! LOL
Such a good one, i learned this the hard way. My one friend had THE oiliest hands ever...argh.
I think it is best to buy what you like regardless of perceived value. There is no guarantee that some object will go up in value. Genuine rareness is not even a guarantee of future profitability. Just buy what you even if they do not seem cool to your friends and other collectors.
Agreed. I tell folks to buy what you're going to play and enjoy. Don't buy an album simply because you think you can make a few bucks on it.
buy what you like, but if you don't know their value you might overpay drastically for things
Cameron Zywina what’s the actual point in buying something to make money surely if you like it you probably won’t want to sell it
dandanthetaximan thank you i do understand this but with a vinyl record don’t you have to wait 50 or 60 years anyway for it to be worth anything
Sunset Vlogs cuz u enjoy once or few times it then send it later
Why does every single Thrift Store I've ever been to have 15 Barbara Streisand records?
Dumb people of the masses bought those in mass quantities along with herb alperts tijuana brass.
😂 for me, its Tchaicovsky, or however the fucks its spelled. Stupid classical shit. Lol
For me it’s just 50s christmas albums.
Ikr
Or "Jimmy Swaggart Plays your Gospel Favorites on the Hammond Organ".
I don't know if you've ever heard mono before, but, it doesn't all come out of one channel. Mono means there's no stereo separation and both speakers play the exact same thing.
Yes, he could have made that clearer. He made it out like the sound only comes out of one speaker, which obviously is not the case.
Your right! I prefer mono. Live music is not heard in stereo. When i started collecting many years ago i decided to buy mono. In those days stereo was a novelty. Racing cars going left to right...wow etc. Then it was gee you can hear these guys on the left and those guys on the right. To me mono is a more natural and fuller sound.
Well said. The same sound comes out of each channel equally, and if you have a half decent system the 2 channels should merge, and project fromthe centre spot between your speakers.
@@alansenzaki4148 "Live music is not heard in stereo."
HUH?
You have two ears, don't you?
Oh wait, you're serious? Let me laugh even harder.
Stereo gives a recording auditory depth, the same way having two eyes gives your sight visual depth.
Mono would be "more natural" only to people with one ear ...and they wouldn't be able to tell the difference.
Maybe you think sight would also be better with only one eye?
That was the stupidest thing I've read all week.
@@MrDeathpilot Not all stereo versions are better, it depends on how the record has been mixed. For example, the first pressing of Blue Cheer's Vincebus Eruptum from 1969 sounds way better in the mono version as the instruments sound like they are in the background and the singing is at the forefront and is clear. In the stereo version, the instruments and voice seem to merge and it sounds a bit of a mess... You'd think it would be the other way around but they were just mixed differently with the mon version having a better mix.
Inner sleeves! Inner sleeves! Inner sleeves best investment you can make to keep your lps lasting a long time more important in my opinion than the outer sleeves
AMEN! Especially mofi sleeves IMO!
Oh: And on the subject of returning a record to the sleeve, starting about 13:15, he didn't stress it, but did you notice how he slid the sleeve in with the opening facing up so it's not open on the same and as the jacket? So many lazy people leave the sleeve with the opening on the same side as the jacket opening, so you can just tip and dump your record out. That's a No No. As easy as it is to dump records out without pulling the sleeve, it's just that easy for bugs and dust to just waltz right in (or fox trot, or macarena their way in) and get all over your records! Again, at the bargain bin, look at the vinyl. See that extra dirt along one edge of the album? That's why!
if it was just dust and dirt that can get in there i'd still would not have learned my lesson.
i had my vinyl stored like that, and put them in the crate with the opening facing up so even more dust and dirt could fall down into the sleeves.
but dust and dirt wasn't what made me hate myself for doing it wrong ... at 6:46 he starts talking about his dogs and "leg lifting accidents" - well, guess what my cat did while sitting on top of the record crate ?
having all the records in those clear cover protectors he mentions did not help me at all - obviously
so for anyone reading this: don't be as dumb as i was and store them with the opening of the inner and outer sleeve facing up at the same time ... outer sleeve opening sideways, inner sleeve rotated 90 degrees - that's how you should do it.
@@KenjiTech And DON'Tstore them in a crate.
can you tell me why not? and why do record stores do it?
@@alanbratt3022 why not?
@@KenjiTech If your records are that precious to you (i know mine are to me) treat them with a little respect and store them in purpose made boxes or cabinets.
Nice video, great tips. Thank you. Just one tip/reamark though. Always wet clean your new record! You wouldn’t believe the amount of postpressing dirt in the grooves some companies leave behind. After doing so, one should change the inner sleeve straigh away. Two reasons for that: 1) there is always a lot of dirt inside the original sleeve, 2) a lot of inner sleeves are made from quite rigid paper leaving nasty „paper scratches” on your record. Since most of them have some information/pictures I don’t throw them away and keep them separately for „collecting reasons”.
Fantastic information. I keep some heavy duty replacement inner sleeves for special discs, but I suppose I need to do that with more of them at this point.
I've been collecting for decades and I'm still learning.
In regards to the Turntable.
The worst thing you can actually do is play a modern stereo record on a 1940s/1950s/1960s ?kiddie? record player. Some of those track at over 15grams. Also crosleys don't damage vinyl. this is a myth that has been circulating for years. Most lps are built to withstand 8 to 10 grams of tracking force.
Excellent points. Especially the idea of assuming something is high value just because it's old.
Great vid...very informative. I picked up on mistakes I wasn’t aware of making. As a novice record collector and seller myself, I’d love to see you do a separate segment on how to do due diligence research on records and record outlets.
First BIG mistake "folks" do when they make a youtube vid is THAT THE TOP OF THE HEAD DONT SHOW...
WOTHAN66666 yea lol this guy don't know what he doin he should just quit doin TH-cam and get a real job.
Gates KOORBA
It probably just a side job/hobby more than anything
As stated above the first guy who made this comment; the video was in frame but I shot it on my laptop (as opposed to the camera I had always otherwise used) and when TH-cam process the video they changed the framing - in turn cutting my head off at times - it was not something I did in recording - I WAS LOOKING AT MYSELF IN THE FRAME THE WHOLE TIME! Why would I do that??? lol
@@DailyVinyl ever heard of reupload
Buying a bad press was the first mistake I made getting back into the vinyl scene since being a child of the eighties. I had tons of vinyls and to be clear didnt take care of them the way I do now but I enjoyed the hell out of them. However I bought an Iggy pop and David Bowie repressing before joining Discogs, and figuring out what pressing were good or not. So I made the mistake once and never again. Great video.
One very important thing that was not mentioned is to CHANGE your stylus OFTEN. Find out the recommended lifespan for your stylus and CHANGE it before you get to that point. Keep a running total of needle time if it helps you (that's what I do') and put the stylus on the record gently. By regularly changing your stylus, it keeps your records playable for longer. As it often states on record sleeves or inners, a worn or chipped stylus can cause irreparable damage to your records.
The biggest mistake record collectors make....not starting the year before they actually started lol. Great vid. So many ways to enjoy vinyl, records, and music stuff. If your collection makes you smile ear from ear and you LOVE IT!!! Your collection is doing something right. I think most of us tend to grow and change over time anyway as we get more into vinyl.
I started watching this video at 7:18 P.M. and just finished it now after *43* minutes. Despite the fact that I don't own any records, I knew most of what you were talking about.
Leaving shrink wrap on your records is a myth. Once you score the shrink wrap, it looses any stress. Still have it on records that are years/decades old, no issue with warping. (Eventually shrink wrap will decay from handling records.) Nevertheless, outer sleeves are a good idea- get the sealed ones.
RumbleBones any new record I buy I leave the shrink on. I just open it just to get the record out. So I put the jacket with the shrink on and I put the record in an anti static sleeve outside the Jacket but inside the outer sleeve. Works well IMO
I think it has to do with the different plastic materials of shrinkwraps. I have shrinkwraps that dont chance their tightness and some who shrunk, made a wave to the cover...
I bought a few records which were in opened shrink wraps. Most were fine, but in two cases it had damaged the cover. Lp seems fine though.
right on ... this "leave shrink wrap on to preserve value" is impractical at best and straight BS at worst.
... and what about gatefolds?
you don't really open a gatefold without busting the wrap anyways - and if you don't open a gatefold you might be missing out on some amazing cover artwork or even gimicks - the cover of amon amarth's album "jomsviking" for example has a cardboard viking ship in the center that pops out when you open the cover ... how awesome is that ?
i don't keep shrink wrap. i DO keep the hype stickers tho - i just pull 'em off the shrink wrap very carefully and stick 'em onto a clear protective sleeve so the "whole package" looks just like it would with the shrink wrap on
Yes, i always just open the slig and leave the shrink on. I love the shrink on. Honestly, some companies shrink it tighter than others but i still believe what you believe, sugar
I love how you keep your records that you haven't listened to yet. I make the mistake of laying mine flat in a stack and even though I know you shouldn't store them this way I wasn't even considering that even short term it wasn't a good idea. Thanks!
Really helpful and sensible advice. Thank you.
Store your records in a separate inner sleeve(not the original) OUTSIDE the record cover, but inside the outer plastic (HDPE) protective sleeve.
Enjoyed your video. As a collector for over a half century, and have always believed in cleanliness in vinyl, what you say is correct. Additions for my 2 cents would be; 1- wash your hands before playing, cleaning your records. Hand oil is destructive, 2- along with tone arm balance is making sure the anti skate adjustment is set properly. This is critical for the stylus not only to track properly, but save uneven wear on one channel, 3- for best results, play mono recordings on a turntable set for mono playing. All are set for stereo. Have always used 2 turntables, and the difference is quite striking. Especially on 45rpm 7".
Guy Salt interesting to think about, the two table thing...I’m intrigued, perhaps on the other end of my shelving.
1. The cleaning kit with the yellow tub you mentioned is probably the Spin Clean not the Discwasher.
2. The Old country record with the devil on the cover is probably The Louvin Brothers - "Satan Is Real". It was the grail record Alan Zweig wanted in the documentary Vinyl (2000) which can be found here: th-cam.com/video/nkCMSrvOTAo/w-d-xo.htmlm15s.
Your videos are awesome man, keep it up!
I had about 5 records in my collection that were still in the cellophane. I'm glad I watched your video. One has been in there for at least 6 years, though it still sounds fine, I can only imagine how it would have sounded in a few years
oh god, now I'm reading the comments and worry i've made a huge mistake.
In regards to the clear protective sheets for LPs, I don’t particularly care for them but I use them religiously now; In the scenario of accidental fluid spilling and/or dust particles. Pet animal leg lifting accidents 🤣! We did’t have no clear protective LP coverings fifty years ago, the LPs has stood in the test-of-time indestructible for decades. I do like the feel of the different textures. But I do have to be on the safe side to protect the LPs for accidental misshapes.
Here's something to share, I do clean outs and found a sealed pressing of Imagine John Lennon Soundtrack dbl album. The cover was covered in black mold. I took the lps out threw it away cleaned the albums with just water and soft record cleaning rag. I couldn't believe it but I cleaned it so well you wouldn't believe it was covered in mold. I played it and it plays very good. Now I have to find just the cover and inner sleeves. LOL. thx for the video.
The baddest thing with shrink-wraps is that they may stick to the cover over the years, and when you want to remove them then you'll ruin the cover.
certainly cause for alarm!
#1 - Don't use an Ortofon Bronze cartridge with your $79 Crosley turntable and proceed to tell me you're a seasoned vinyl audiophile. :) LMFAO
rollstuhlwolf I take it this happened to you at some point? Ha
Yep. 19-year-old kid tells me because he's using a stylus worth 5 times as much as his turntable that he's a vinyl expert and "old school connoisseur of music tech." I asked him if he ever heard of a Technics 1200 and the kid said: "Aint that some second-rate Panasonic knock-off brand from way back, in like, the 80's?" I just left at that point before I felt obligated to euthanize him with a shard of one of his own records. LOL
What in the actual fuck? Lmao
This 19 year old is so damn cr8ngey wow
I've been collecting vinyl since the 1960s. Most of your tips were fine with the exception of #7. Removing the shrink wrap diminishes the value of your albums. I have many albums in my collection that still have the shrink wrap on them, several are from the 60's and they are not warped or damaged in any way because of it. That is just a misconception that has been around for many years.
VinylNostalgia noted! I appreciate your timeline of experience and will consider your position moving forward
VinylNostalgia i agree 100% i have an original 1st pressing of metallicas 5.98 garage days and is worth almost 100 dollars more because of tbe shrink wrap and hype sticker it is 31 years old and is straight as an arrow
VinylNostalgia I do the same thing as long as the "hype sticker" is on it, if not I take it off!
VinylNostalgia Here here! Not to mention Pink Floyds Wish You Were Here being sold in black shrink wrap as part of the package! Some that still have it on from 1975 are perfectly ok!
@@phantasm1004I've had brand new stuff arrive that isn't factory sealed mainly from HMV. I've no idea why it wasn't nor am I bothered. I've kept shrink wrap on some items just to add an extra layer of protection, but it's not a golden rule for me. I put them in plastic sleeves anyway. What makes it more laughable is that people assume that the record is mint, but you have no idea if it is, or whether it's unplayable. I had an issue with a 12" single of Pink Floyds years ago. Three copies all cracked across from the centre hole and unplayable. Gave up in the end as the shops whole batch was the same. Recently I bought The Wall remastered, sealed and it was scratched to buggery. So open that vinyl folks and check it. You could have a lemon!
Want to say something about plastic outer sleeves! I've been a record collector since the 80s and the first outer plastic sleeves I bought were those with 'seams' on three edges. (guess most of you know which ones I'm talking about) After many years I found out that they also stuck to the covers and some covers got seriously damage when I removed the outersleeves. When I discovered this I removed all the those outersleeves and threw them in the trash can. Since then I have bought other kinds of outersleeves made of polypropylene plastic. These are SUPER CLEAR compared to the most common sleeves made of polyethylene plastic that gives the covers a foggy look that I don't like.
Honestly I really wanted to hate this video ... but all the things you mentioned were things I learned from my dad . Good on ya .
Thank you sir!
Also, for records made before stereo even existed, especially, the original Mono release is usually preferable inasmuch as it would have been the First Pressing. Like for the Beatles; Uk original Mono pressings are always preferable. Yes, and they do cost more.
A very informative video presented in a lively manner about key points of advice for those new to handling vinyl records. Thanks.
Really nice video, thanks. I will add a mistake of myself - "Do not expect cleaning and repairing to magically improve the state of your LP". I used to search for cheap records with a grade of G/G+ hoping that a proper cleaning and a scratch repair will upgrade them to VG+ or higher. It happens, but it is rare. Usually it makes much more sense to pay more and get a pristine copy. Unless it is something really rare like, I don't know, 1st press of Jackson C Frank or Davey Graham.
I feel pretty lucky I am a novice collector, and have only purchased 2 records, both pressings (records / sleeves) are from near mint to very good plus. Discos is essential as a value guide and identifier reference.
Good video, agreed with your points - perhaps I'd add it's not only important to clean the records themselves but also the stylus. Even a clean stylus becomes a chisel over time - a dirty one will do so much quicker. If one finds out too late, stylus is easy to replace at any time, unlike some of the rare and almost impossible to get records.
p.s. Hello there, Innerspeaker! ;)
Cool video to watch and yes, there are some valueable tipps included especially this "what should I really buy"-thing, this is a problem for me aswell: After years of collecting I'm now giving away/selling a lot of records because I don't really play them and I have the feeling they "water down" my collection, taking away the focus... whatever, this are vinyl nerd problems, I guess ;)
Greetz from another vinyl head from Germany! ;)
Great video Joey, thank you. I've been collecting since my first new record "Something New" by the Beatles around 1964. I don't know why, but I never liked shrink wrap on my records either. I use a Diskwasher brush with cleaning fluid on the initial play of a used record. I use the Audio Technica dry brush just to clean off any dust on subsequent plays. I also replace the plain white paper sleeves with Diskeeper sleeves. I've also found a lot of good info on Discogs website where I buy the majority of my vinyl.
Discogs is a great site and I love what they have done for the hobby! I can't speak for every seller- but it can be tough, even I make mistakes sometimes, but it's a gift to have so much readily available inventory to "dig" through as a collector; the entirety of what they have done has changed the nature of collecting in some ways for the better and in some ways for the worse. THIS GIVES ME AN IDEA FOR A VIDEO!
Great video! I especially can identify with the "want" vs "can," although that probably feeds into my hoarding tendencies, haha. Again, though, great work!
TheMetalGeorge thanks!
Buying something that you may listen to just to have it seems like a hoarder's mindset. I would do the same if I had more space to store 5,000 LPs, but not all of us have that luxury.
The Bedroom Show Probably best to buy records of your all time favorite bands, or a good selection if you can’t store 5000 records. Since i mainly listen to music online, not on CD, or Vinyl, but really wanna buy Vinyl, of Radiohead, Deftones, and Chill Peppers some day.
At 18:10, I think Daily Vinyl was referring to the 'Satan Is Real' LP by The Louvin Brothers and it is very rare and very expensive (although reissues probably exist).
I see innerspeaker in the background, what a class record
The #1 mistake novice record collectors make... saying "VINYLS".
I only buy records online in Winter/late Autumn. I've (presumably due to heat during transpiration) returned 12 vinyls, because they were warped.
I cleaned old records covered in nicotine gunk and dust. I had to work fast just so I could keep them in the house. I just used a soft washcloth warm water with some simple green in it. I did the sleeve and album and label.
The no.1 mistake when making TH-cam videos is setting the camera height too low.
Thanks for the great video.
Buy a tripod.
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6:56
some of those cheap bags will eventually stick to you record sleeves.
Hey Joey. I was forced to get rid of at least several hundred of my vinyl records. It had me thinking after my father passes away I'll be able to start visiting some of those vinyl records once again. What do you think? :)
It actually gets really hot in Michigan and Minnesota. It's worse than Phoenix because it's humid
I have a few older records (70's and 80's) in glossy sleeves that previous owners have kept in the cellophane and now the cellophane has become bonded to the gloss and cannot be removed without damaging the original sleeve.....
TAKE YOUR RECORDS OUT OF THE CELLOPHANE and buy some quality lightweight outer sleeves. Buy some good quality anti-static inner sleeves too.
Do not blow dust off of your records or stylus, this just makes the dust stick harder due to the moisture in your breath.
Sleeve notes and great packaging are part of the joy of collecting vinyl. Learn about what you are listening to, where it was recorded, who produced it, or what that wierd sounding instrument is. It can broaden your mind and help you find other stuff that you might like.
Sharkey o, those records were also probably not stored in ideal conditions, not properly cared for by former owners placed in bad places with high humidity,above room temp & place with a lot of direct sunlight etc..i have more than a couple of records from the '70s & '80s with cellophane on them still with no issues.if records are cared for stored properly you should have no issues with them damaging the outter sleeve itself.i agree with you on that you should still place them in a good quality outter sleeve regardless if you leave the cellophane on or not.
The reason that happened is almost certainly because the album cover was VARNISHED rather than LAMINATED. There’s a big difference between the two. Obviously varnish is a coating and that can start to peel off over time, whereas laminate is one continuous piece of invisible “film” that is used to protect and strengthen something. Very old records tended to be varnished. Modern records are nearly all laminated - so the problem you encountered wouldn’t apply to a modern purchase.
knowing full well that most re-issues and modern repress of 1960 to 1990 era releases ( bar a few exceptions, Quality Pressings included ) will not appreciate in value and will only wear down faster mainly due to shallower grooves....i would recommend that even the beginner, ponder the fact that, ORIGINAL PRESSINGS at a higher cost might very well be, a better investment than the opposite....especially when we see how fast the N-M ones are disappearing....which will not be the case with those re-issues for a long time coming...seeing how many there are available everywhere.
Not unlike investing in a classic car, it will have more resell down the road than a modern vehicle of the same price point. I like it!
When you talk about the shrink wrap, do you mean the wrapping on the outside of the sleeve on new records, or is there one around the disc itself in some cases?
I bought a 2009 remasters of Revolver a few years back and right out of the sleeve it had a scratch and skipped in multiple places. Dissapointed, but not surprised because the remasters aren’t great quality
Thanks for the suggestion about the shrink wrap! A few dozen of my records that I bought 30-35 years ago still have the opened shrink wrap to protect the jackets from things like the dust here in Las Vegas. I never thought it could cause problems.
QUESTION:I have about 40 records listed for sale on Discogs that have never been opened. They’re all from 1987 to 1992. Do you think I should open all of them and remove the shrink wrap? I will obviously have to downgrade their value, because they’ll no longer be considered mint condition, but I don’t want them to get warped either.
If you see and feel a massive tightness of the shrink or even pressure on the cardboard cover, i would open it and maybe remove the shrink...as it also can cause warps over time to the wax i guess. Otherwise i would leave the shrink sealed for value. Personally i prefer open NM records over sealed ones because of a warp can be checked. Hated when i bought sealed records and open them to find out they badly warped. If you store them in a not warm environment you should be fine i think :)
Hee Joey,,, really great info man, and especially the NUMBER ONE !!!! going to follow you on all the social media from now on keep up the good Vids
All of my records are recent purchases! Lol Early filing is my weakness. I have records out of order EVERYWHERE! Great advice.
NEVER, EVER by a record because it might become valuable, I've been buying and playing records for 40 years and records never really increase in value. Buy what you like and what you'll play. Don't believe me...check record price guides and see how little prices have increased.
but also NEVER, EVER, delay buying a record for too long that you wanna have anyways because you REALLY like the band, music and artwork.
in rare cases it might become a collectible sooner than expected and you will bite yourself in the butt for not buying the album a few months back when it was 30 bucks new on amazon because now it's long sold out and is now only available on ebay for almost over 100 ...
KenjiTech : it's happened to me more than once and it drives me nuts. It's a bit of a gamble, trying to guess what can wait from your wish list because there will be many copies available and what will be sold out forever or will cost a fortune
1) Never get rid of an alternate pressing (mono vs stereo, import vs domestic)
2) Get core titles before you go for the rare and listen before you buy
3)Get a female dog to avoid leg lifting incidents
4)Don't be the first to buy a new release
5)Avoid record store day and Black Friday rush
6)Buy cds beforehand if cheap
Excellent suggestions mate! I would only adjust your last one... Find it online and sample it first before buying the vinyl, especially if the album is unknown to you. For me personally, the ONLY ONLY reason I buy a CD, and the last one I think was maybe 5 years ago, is if you absolutely cannot find it in any other format :D
I know croselys are not the best, I'm trying to save up for something better that won't hurt my vinyl babies
Victrola USB Turntable or Audio Technica LP60. Both are 99.99
check craigslist, kijiji, or local used stereo shops or old pawnshop, garage sales, etc. the technology in the 80s was top notch and if you find a working direct drive from that era you could be happy with it for another couple of decades and for equal to the cost of a new lower-quality deck. beware belt driven turntables from yesteryear though, as the rubber belts may likely have stretched out or dried up and degraded (they'll snap) but even still, a couple tenners and it can be easily fixed by a pro (or something simple like replacing a belt can be done by a novice sometimes too!)
Also people believe that if the album is popular it has value. For example, someone might say "I have an original pressing of Frampton Comes Alive" and my reaction usually is "yeah, so do thouands of other people".
Make that a couple million ;)
"Everybody in the world has Frampton Comes Alive. If you lived in the suburbs you were issued it. It came in the mail with samples of Tide." - Wayne's World 2
I recently picked up a copy of Frampton Comes Alive at a flea market for $1.00. I'm starting to think I may have overpaid. :D
Wtf is Frampton Comes Alive
Albin Lundholm literally was thinking the same thing.. never heard of it
Make sure that there is no alcohol in your cleaner! - Light mold or dirt can be removed from covers with a light rub of baking soda, make sure the vinyl is away from the baking soda - the reason there are so many Streisand albums in those bins? 54 Gold - 31 platinum - 4 multi platinum. As far as perfect recording quality goes you won't find better.
I have two ways of enjoying records: Playing the junk pile records (78's and up) on old vintage record players and changers, and taking care of and playing the good stuff on the best high(ish) end turntables. I love rooting around piles of old records that I would only play on my 1957 RCA changer that tracks at about 7 to 10 grams. (That's probably still better than a new Crosley.) For the good stuff, I dig out the Marantz, Denon, or even my newest most vintage find, an ELAC Miracord 50H (idler drive but still awesome). It's cool to put a stack of old 45s (don't get me started on styrene) and hear Jan and Dean they way my parents did when they were teenagers. I agree 100% on the whole Crosley thing. If you've just spent $40 on a brand new vinyl release of that favorite album you have on CD or MP3, don't ruin it on a turntable you spent the same amount on as two records! Vinyl depends on a whole mechanical system with all the parts working together to give you top quality sound. If you start with a plastic turntable, that's like starting the design of your car with plastic wheels!
Awesome vid man, very informative and helpful. It was so relieving to see someone have this passion for the craft. People around me don't see my hobby as the hobby that it is but more as a novelty thing I do, and thusly I don't get a lot of good advice, or even any at all sometimes.
On that note I'd like to ask your profesional opinion about my two record players. They're both Innovative Techs. One is the portable 5in1 and the other the stationary 6in1. Are these okay players? I heard you say something about all in one players being not that great so now I'm curious. If you're wondering, no, they do not have counter-balances.
Those innovative techs have a fancy nostalgic look to them, and while convenient and priced appropriately will not give you the sound you are looking for; at least the type of quality worth spinning vinyl for at least. And, anything lacking a counter-balance weight on the tonearm runs the risk of damaging your records. I think you already knew most of this, but I would suggest finding something even at a thrift store and piecing together a true setup if you cannot afford to buy something new.
Humidity isn’t an issue here in Adelaide, it’s more of the straight heat in summer that’s a problem. At least I don’t have to worry about mouldy records.
The album you can't remember is by Charlie and Ira Louvin and the title is Satan is Real. One of the greatest brother acts of all time and the definition of "blood harmony".
Elliott Crews I learned this, acquired an original press, and made a video of it :) here th-cam.com/video/F5ElDq-_6Rg/w-d-xo.html if you have any interest
I think the biggest mistake is people buying albums they don't actually like just because the pressing is known to be good. It's just going to sit on the shelf, it's a total waste. Just buy what you like and want to play, and don't worry about the "must have" releases.
Agreed. But... I’m a bit of a completist at heart, so this practice works for say a band I would only want an album or two from, but I have several artists I love that I end up with 9/10 records they’ve put out, then it just feels wrong not buying that last Lp to complete the discography.
Great video, lots of good advice and helpful tips. Quick comment, your #1 mistake could actually be the subject of your entire next posting. The turntable / tonearm / cartridge / amplifier / pre-amplifier / speaker system / cabling selections and how those components and equipment are all mated and matched together (along with the quality and cleanliness of the record) is where the rubber meets the road on quality of sound. Two thumbs up on your video.
Great tips! Keep the videos coming!
I'm from Phoenix as well. My summer solution to warped records was to drive my mom's air conditioned car to Odyssey Records at 12th Street and Camelback only after 9PM.
Better yet, swipe her car and do a quick overnight dash to the Tower Records on Sunset (RIP) in L.A.. Yes, I would actually do that. Cheers!
The best way to clean records is a clean sink or bowl full of distilled water and dish soap, maybe some iso alcohol. Grab a microfiber and get to cleanin. The biggest thing is having a seperate bowl of distilled water so you can rinse off the record, that's the key part. All other methods work, but some of that dirt and dust just gets rubbed right back into the grooves. Have to rinse them off after washing to really get all the dirt outta there. It's just like the device you described but id rather not pay $80 for something I can do for $3. I've used this method many times and never had a problem. Medical gloves are also a good idea so you can really handle the record without getting your oils all over it. The dishwasher method I've heard before, and it would be awesome if it worked because that would be so easy. But that hot water doesn't seem like it'd be good for a record.
Id say the best investment you can make is buying a higher end cartridge even on a cheaper turntable, it can really bring out the sound.
If, by chance you decide to get into 78 RPM records, you have to realize there were two distinct eras: Acoustic, where they used windup phonos with steel needles to play records that were recorded by having the musicians shout into a horn which mechanically cut the sound into the records.
These are the only records you want to play on a player that uses a heavy steel needle. You play them for the novelty, not the fidelity. They will sound like crap by today's standards (though you can be surprised by how a well cared for acoustic 78 on a new needle can sound), but you'll be amazed you can understand them. You're talking about tracking forces in excess of 100 grams, and the needles had to be thrown away after every play (you bought them in bags of 100).
Then, probably starting in the 40s, maybe even in the 30s, they had electronically mastered 78s, and were developing better plastics and lighter tracking tone arms. (Some later 78s may have been pressed into vinyl. Definitely don't put a steel needle on those! You hear a clean 1940s or 1950s jazz record that was well taken care of, and you'll be blown away. They can rival LPs and 45s in some cases! Tracking forces were, in the 1950s or so, about 7 to 10 grams with a sapphire or diamond stylus. Unfortunately, there were still a lot of steel needle windups around, and some of those pristine records got played by heavy steel needles! (That's the equivalent of people playing a modern, new vinyl record on a plastic "Crosley" player today.) Then you get into some of the early truly Hi Fi tables, and they could still play 78s. You had to use a bigger stylus, so you switched between a standard LP stylus to play your 33 and 45 RPM records and a bigger (about 3 mils) stylus for the 78s. You get a nice Shure M79ED on your best 70s table with an elliptical stylus for your best vinyl, and you can also get a 3 mil stylus to push onto that cart to play some 78s!
The only thing that I have to say is to tilt the camera up a bit
12:54: A true record collector will still want to clean a record after handling it incorrectly even though he doesn’t want it. 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
overall you covered the beginner tips thoroughly but i would have to debate you on keeping the cellophane on records aka the shrink wrap, of course this is just my opinion from thorough research & personal experiences.i split the shrink on records at the outer sleeve opening & leave it on and also put a outer protective sleeve on it.i agree the shrink wrap can warp a record from being sealed on there to tight. i've seen fairly new pressings also have this issue because the pressing plant has sealed the shrink wrap on the record to tight. so in short sealed records will become warped if you keep them sealed another reason why you should open your records up and spin that vinyl.but if you unseal the record at the opening of the outer record sleeve & leave the shrink wrap on your records they will not warp you relieve the majority of the pressure the shrink is causing by doing so. i've seen multiple records that are 30+ yrs. still in shrink no warp at all.i personally leave the shrink on also because sometimes they have a hype sticker which can be cool, also in general if a collector sees a album they're seeking and sees it used but still in shrink & in really good condition they will almost the majority of times prefer it to a copy of the same album in similar condition without the shrink (this i'm sure also has to do with personal preference) but this is the preference i've been told by some collectors who are willing to spend serious amounts of money on first pressings.also another thing i don't think you mentioned was the importance of poly sleeves that are non scratching and have a anti static property, i can't tell you how many countless times i've seen brand new records with scuffing,debris & possibly surface noise due to paper sleeves. it's in my honest opinion it's very important to place you cherished records in high quality sleeves in the long run you will see & hear the difference.
@TELE6220, dafuq?
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nice vid man, this was a good review. I had a very good 60's, 70's early 80's rock collection from the time I was 5 in 1965 to
1985. Got back into vinyl several months ago. I forgot how awesome Who's Next or Yardbirds, many Motown acts Supremes
Marvin Gaye, etc, sounds on vinyl. I have a huge CD jazz, rock collection, but really dig vinyl. Addicted once again...to vinyl.
Yah, good point on turntables, glad you told the youtube world about Crossley. -
Nice vid ... great tips ... Thumbs up from a fellow vinyl collector
Thumbs up from a yellow vinyl collector.
Thumbs up from a mellow vinyl collector
instaBlaster...
Couldn't help but notice you had Innerspeaker in the background :) my first record I bought was Lonerism
If storage it's not at exact 90° the records will warp. Stacking them it's actually better, just make shure they're the same size and are aligned.
Exelius Under no circumstance would I advise stacking records on top of one another
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Exelius RCA is not considering the weight of large piles or the timeline that is, at that point, vinyl collecting..they also advocate stacking straight up. I agree with the angel issue and its logic, but the weight of many records piled on top of each other can cause stress cracks and even worse damage. I’d reconsider your methods if you are currently doin this...as more that 5 or so records can lead to the same issues you are opposed to Angeled storage for.
There was an unfortunate tendency for some reissuers of monaural records to electronically transform the tracks into a kind of faux stereo. The worst of these just sent the left channel through a hi-pass filter, & the right channel through a lo-pass (or vice-versa). It was awful. I've got a Sun Ra LP that did it a little more subtly, by introducing a slight phase delay between the two channels, creating a kind of spacey ambience. I still prefer mixing the two channels back into true monaural.
Good stuff man, i enjoyed your post. Any chance you could do some videos showing us all your vinyl records, im curious what titles you own. Thanks
@Michael Profitt, yea 2nd that would be cool
i've gathered it's a bunch of typical indie rock and reissues of items they heard pitchfork recommend in retro-reviews of releases he never really listened to back in the 90s, even off the cd, when they originally came out
Hey Joey. In one of your top ten: confusing stereo & mono pressings. Would that also go for those who buy a Quadraphonic or Digital pressing of an album that they like? :) And what about for those who buy a re-issue pressing or a pressing say on 180 gram vinyl of an album that they like? :) Do you think we'd be better off buying a first pressing of that exact same album? :) Please let me know ASAP. :) Thank you! :)
Good video, but one correction and two suggestions:
• The entire Beatles catalog is NOT available in both monaural and stereophonic. Yellow Submarine, Abbey Road, and Let It Be were only recorded in stereo.
• It might not be correct to assume that all, most, some, or any vinyl collectors, veteran or novice, don’t know to not expose their records to heat, unless you have some specific data to reference. If someone is going to make the effort and investment to begin a collection, it’s probably a safe bet that they’ve done at least a little research on some basic well-known things about vinyl. In addition, people that live in hot places like you and I (grew up in L.A., but have been in Las Vegas for 22 years and lived in Glendale AZ for almost a year 40 years ago) learn quickly to not leave ANYTHING in the heat, including heat-resistant items! LOL
• Finally, very unprofessional to take a drink of your beverage after the recorder has started. Nobody wants to see that unless you’re doing a video related to beverage drinking. ;-)
Keep up the good work, though.
proffesional what ?,,hes a dude with a hobby at home,,,lighten the fuck up stiff
This is also a good top 10 mistakes novice youtubers make video
Louvin Brothers "Satan is Real". It's a country Gospel album. Nice vid. I subbed!
Right, never leave you records in a car 🚗 for a long time on a very hot day 😳😁🙈☹️😢
not even for a short time sir
I have a similiar to spinclean called: Knosti LP cleaning set. It works, just have to use the right cleaning fluids. No dishwashing fluids etc 😂
You may have meant Satan Is Real by The Louvin Brothers in your video. I'm sure someone else has mentioned that by now.
Someone has, and I since acquired an original press myself. For not being a religious person, I still enjoyed the compositions on the album, mostly just cool to have at this point though.
A good primer, if longwinded. To be honest I don't mind the head being cut off nearly as much as the thought of drinking PBR.
notvalidcharacters well it’s not a PBR, it was from Oskar Blues in Colorado ... I love me some Craft Beer. As for the head thing, it wasn’t that way until I processed the video out in moviemaker, it like trimmed the edges to make it the preferred size and I lost some of the top and bottom :/
Dammnit, now you done ruined my joke ;)
One of the things that I have come to hate are sealed records. You assume you are getting great quality especially if it’s rare, but through time you get that record home and it’s warped. I would prefer to see the record and there are ways to hold the record to see if they are warped.
No. 10: I have purposely NOT ordered records online in the summertime because of what you talk about. But there is a way to get around the "heat" or "salad bowl" problem - i.e. records left outside by the delivery man in the hot sun - by using Amazon Prime and having your record shipped to an Amazon Locker location instead of your home address. Of course you have to live in an area large enough to have that service available. Plus, Amazon does a lousy job of packaging records, so that is something to consider. Or you can ship to an UPS store location, or USPS PO Box. In a perfect world the USPS/FedEX/UPS delivery person would at least ring your doorbell and wait a minute for a response and then hand you your package stating: "I see that this package contains vinyl media, and there are, no doubt, precious LPs inside, so I wanted to make sure they were hand delivered to you, our no-less-precious customer" instead of leaving your records sitting against your front door, facing directly into the broiling desert sun...ha.
you felt bad when your 24 min recording turned out to be a video that cut out half of your head huh? ;-)
Thank you for your video. You have a nice demeaner and speak well. People criticise your tight shirt and can't see the top of your head etc. but I appreciate your info especially about tone arms and cheap players. Also black mold. God bless.
Get a Dedicated HI-FI Amp Dump the Monstrosity Cinema Amp they DON'T play music well at all. Nice Vid some good advice.
TheBudgie29 trust me, it's on the list. Ha.
I can definitely attest to don't buy Crosley record players, because the sound burger that I bought with a built-in radio no less not only spun fast, it apparently ruined every record in my collection and they had to be actually chucked instead of sold in even The Bargain Bin in the Rock Shop. Don't, bye, Crosley! I think it was called the Crosley Cruiser I'm not sure about that.
great tips, despite the top of your head being missing...
Awesome video thanks for the tips!
lol nothing wrong with leaving the shrink wrap/cellophane on jackets. it's all preference
Jeff I was also confused why that was a bad thing... Of course a proper sleeve cover provides better protection... But.
I bought maybe ten records which were still in their shrink wrap. Most were ok, but in two cases, it badly warped the cover. Not quite sure why, but probably, it kept shrinking, as he said in the video. As good external sleeves are less than 10ct. over here, I don‘t take any risks. :)
if the record got hot enough to shrink the wrap on the outside so tight it compressed the jacket, it was also hot enough to warp the vinyl. its a false cause/effect. total myth.
Why do most original presses sound better? Or is this a placebo effect because I'm paying more for the originals?
Placebo. There is no consistent rule with pressings based on time, some of those old pressings may be more authentic to the sounds of their time...which may translate to a more pleasing sound, but then again some modern music is made to sound that way intentionally too..all depends on what you’re looking for I suppose.
Great video! Great info