When buying records it can introduce a warped incentive if you are focused on increased cost over time. When making a purchasing decision, what works for me is to always ask myself a few questions: (1) Have I heard this record before? (2) Do I like this record? (3) If I had it, would I listen to it? (4) Does it fulfill an unmet need in my listening library? (5) Does it meet my standards in terms of condition? (6) Is it worth the price? It's simple - to buy the record, the answer to all of the above questions must be yes! If not I'm happy to wait until something else comes along.
I wholeheartedly agreed with points three-six but not one and two. Much of the fun of buying records is discovering stuff in your wheelhouse that you've never seen before. I've been collecting records since the '70s and i STILL find interesting stuff I didn't know existed. While I wouldn't risk top $ for an expensive new LP or premium priced dealer sale amount, I find LPs at yard sales and flea markets all the time to buy that I don't know.
I want to be able to wear a blindfold, pull any record from my 700+ collection, and it be a killer record . . . great tunes, beautiful art. That's it. Tastes change and mistakes are made (hello, impulse buys!), but I'm getting there. Thanks for the video, Mr. Maslov. You made some great points. Love the passion! Keep it up!
The absolute worst part of buying limited edition releases just to flip is when the real fans who want to buy it and enjoy it for themselves cannot because flippers/scalpers have gobbled up too many copies.
And the price goes up, everything I have bought the last 10 to 15 years are worth 2 to 3 times more now, and I only buy new records. And the colour ones I bought for $20 to $30 is selling on dischog for $130 to $200, it's insane.
I only buy records that I like to listen to. Like to find old records that I used to have.I collect for the Memories and the listening experience,but everyone is different.
I'm 81 now, but when I was 14 growing up in New York City, I held a copy of THE CAINE MUTINY soundtrack LP in my hands in a record store in Manhattan. I loved the movie -- which had just come out -- and I briefly considered buying it with my allowance, until some other record caught my attention...a record whose title I've long since forgotten. To this day, I still suffer from FOMO about that.
Mazzy, just a note thanking you for this video (and all the rest). I discovered the TH-cam vinyl community during the pandemic and my specimen collection really grew, thanks to suggestions from you and Michael from Germany and a number of others who know what Sounds great. Yes, a small infection of FOMO but no major symptoms. I just want you to know that you have been a trusted vinyl mentor and appreciate your wisdom.
Lps are meant to be spun, not hidden behind sealed plastic never seeing the light of day (the light of a turntable side lamp). I'm with ya Mazzy, let's let these puppies out and enjoy the music 😃👍 God forbid this hobby actually be fun.
I agree. It's the music first! I don't even call myself a collector. Do I have a collection? Yes, cd's vinyl movies, I've got many collections. Did I go into it thinking, I want to be a collector of something and this will be it, No! I like these things, buy what I like, and guess what, it turns In to a collection of something that my wife is constantly pissed about taking up too much space. There's no thought put into some specially curated collection. More like, I really like this band or the record. Now I have it. That's all there is to it.
Thanks for properly and truly explaining what a record "collector" really is. 👍 The word, 'collector' on this channel and it's followers is the equivalent of 'criminal'. It's nuts!
@@mazzysmusic Or : You remind of someone's Dad who smoked for 40 years and every time he sees a young person smoking he becomes an evangelist. Let people do what people do with their records because no amount of preaching will stop them.
@@Neil-Aspinall I would never try to stop anyone from enjoying music or collection records. These are my personal opinion pieces which I state several times. It’s simply my take a sort of a discussion starter as you can see by the variety of comments. If somebody wants a backup copy of the same record then it’s their choice. But from my experience records can last a lifetime if you take basic care of them so why not buy something else? Other music to enjoy. I too buy multiple copies if they have musical or artistic differences. I point this out to start the debate which is exactly what happened here. I appreciate your comments and others when they are constructive or snarky works too.
So true Mazzy - thanks for speaking to what is on a lot of our minds. Like you, I have been guilty of this in the past as well, but have really focused in on collecting for me lately. Having a well curated, well rounded and diverse collection of music I like. I don't have the storage space or $$ to simply "invest" lol. Perfect example just happened yesterday - I happened to see the always dangerous "preorder" button for the Bill Withers Still Bill mofi release. My brain instantly went the FOMO route as these will obviously sell out and sky rocket in price...but then I did a self check and told myself that I already have a clean original copy of that album, and that there is really no justification to spend money on the mofi. So I'm happy to say I am improving in this category 😎
I appreciate the honesty and the insight. For me it began with the music, (in my case, watching the Beatles on Ed Sullivan, on a tiny B&W TV) vinyl just happened to be the medium I latched onto, largely a consequence of my age, 63. But like you, and I assume many others, my collecting has also been driven by other concerns: FOMO, exclusivity, filling gaps, sonically showing off my system, and finding that rare and potentially valuable record. These concerns can take focus away from enjoying the music; yet in some cases, for example "audiophile" records that sonically kick ass, they can enhance that enjoyment. But as someone who has found himself humming along with the song in the aisle of a supermarket, if the music isn't good, it doesn't improve when the sounds are faithfully reproduced. Thank you for reminding me what's important and your willingness to be publicly honest.
Interesting - when you said “specimen collector”, I immediately understood what you meant and when you explained it turned out to be right. I definitely buy and collect widely and focus on quality music regardless style. Love your collection. If you like obscure 45s you might find something fun on my page.
My first collection was very much like a specimen collection. I tried to buy all the most important albums, even if I didn’t like it but I wanted to hear it and see why it is important. Now with limited space I have stopped that and now I just try to buy albums that I truly love. That said I still do too much blind buying lol. Oh well, somethings can’t be stopped. FOMO is real and we all have to fight that. I’m getting better at it
Onya Mazzie! Yet again, there's some reassurance and good to know that our "addiction" is widespread. (And my wife thought it was just me!) My addiction happens when it comes to having every version (CD, SACD, Vinyl, DVD-A, Blu-ray...---Bloody Neil Young is sucking my Superannuation dry!) of a particular artist but man, do I love the chase! (Think about all the fellow "cool people" you meet in shops, markets, fairs...all sharing the same passion). Staying clear of the vices of greed and want of FOMO, collecting and LOVING your music (in any format) is pure passion with good clean interest, enthusiasm and stimulation at the highest level. Thanks for making this old Ozzie guy feel good!
Hi, I totally agree ! It is for me all about the love of and for the music. This is not a generalization .In my opinion, If you say you are a music lover of many genres a nd styles of music, therefore you purchased vinyl and portray that as a person but you may also want to sale your vinyl if the price is right, if you will. To me ,thing in life gotta make sense if your trying to teach a goal ! And love for the album/ music vs. collecting vinyl as an investment/ profit don't correlate! It's two different Universes. Your either, a true music lover or a stock broker of music album!
Says the guy who wakes up at 5am on record store day to buy all the limited editions, has multiple copies of albums and all kinds of different editions.
Ive been collecting for about 42 years and have always bought records for the music. Like you i have some really rare and expensive ones that i just got when buying a private collection from someone and it's nice to think how rare they are but its always the music first. Luv the show.
A record hound friend of mine just found at the end of April 2022, an original Plastic Cloud in unwrapped and little if at all played, excellent condition, with the insert for 3 Canadian dollars at a thrift store here in the Toronto area with a value of approx. 1,500 dollars. He says he is going to keep it. I would ,that's a top drawer psychedelic record.
So, he has a capability even rarer than true perfect pitch - he can hear the sound of money, mostly flying off into the distance. I cherish really beat up old LPs because they were never re-released on CD, and are too obscure for most any library to bother distributing. Besides yourself, who exactly are you trying to impress with the record you likely can't risk putting under a needle, for fear your investment should be damaged. Historical collections of art or literature have their purposes, but music treated as a hermetically sealed Honus Wagner baseball card is drained of purpose. But by all means, enjoy staring at your shelves of catalogued plastic, if that's your taste.
@@z1522 If it were mine I would slap it on the turntable as soon as possible and play it again and again and again. The value for me is in the music. I really enjoy that music. I have a number of rare records in my collection and they all get regular rotation on my turntable. Love my garage/psych/lsd music. Trying to impress no one, just letting folks know that some of these discs still can be found in the wild. By the way I am going to offer my original first Rush album on the Moon label and some hard to find blues in exchange for the Plastic Cloud.
I know I'm 2 years late to this video or more, but I understand what you're saying here. I started buying vinyl because I got it into my head that all my digital music could just be taken away at a moments notice. If I have digital saves and physical copies of music, then I'll have access to it for as long as I have equipment to play it. But then I had a nice little fully analog setup and played a Walmart Metallica vinyl on it and just fell in love with the sound. The stereo separation and the subtlety, and on a Walmart vinyl. I can't imagine what a well recorded and mastered vinyl sounds like, so if I ever find a classic in good condition, I at least want to listen to it.
You definitely have a point that is true for many of us - myself included (to a certain degree). To my "defence" I'll say that (in general through my life) I have regretted things I DID NOT do more than things I did. This goes for buying records as well - and it's not so bad/expensive as the prices are developing these last years. But I'm not a completeist. I have 3 (out of app. 3.000) records that are still sealed - and it's amongst the most expensive, I own: one Supersense laquer and two MOFI One-Steps. The reason for this that I feel I need a special occasion to open a record 3-500 USD. And then I have 10-15 sealed records (30-60 USD) that I bought an extra copy of on webshops because the shipping was the same as for one - and I hope to sell these extras to help pay the shipping for my keepers copy.
I buy what I like, not what I should get, or think I should get based on what is recommended. I don't have nearly the collection you have however but I've been collecting vinyl for a long time myself, going back to the late 70's as an adolescent. The ONLY time I rebuy something is to replace a poor copy with a cleaner one and have many originals, most bought used (and this includes 45's), many as reissues and rarely do I buy something that is for the FOMO. the ONLY reason is being able to get something while I can at the price it is at before it goes up or is on sale etc, but it is not limited to the vinyl purchase, but is for anything that I need or want, and can safely purchase without going broke if you know what I mean. I buy stuff to play, or digitize for playing in the car, of which I just finished a project for just that. Captured from vinyl, with most from my 45's (singles that is), with probably 2/3rds being original pressings, many on styrene at that, the rest are reissues. The rest of the playlist came from LP's, from the mid 60's to the mid 70's. Most of it rock/pop, but a couple are not though. Shanheid by Pierce Webb and Early Morning Love by Sammy Johns, and No Matter What (your Stomach's in) that was the music for the Alka Seltzer commercial from 1966 on an original Liberty 7" 45. Anyway, that was fun to put together, but the thing is, I enjoy all that and like to mix and match for a playlist for the car when the mood strikes but I also just play for the sake of playing on my Rega P6.
I know this post is a year old, but I just happened upon it. First let me say that I really dig the way your shirt picks up the pattern of the records on the shelves behind you. Next, I must repeat a comment I left elsewhere a while back: If I wanted to make money, I'd get a better-paying job. Records I collect for fun, for pleasure, for music. My friends tell me I should leave notes about which records are valuable so that when I die my heirs (!) will know where the money is. Yes, some of them are worth something (today, maybe not so much tomorrow -- I remember the first time LPs became worthless overnight in the late '80s/early '90s), but that's not going to do me any good because I don't buy records I don't want in my life, so I'm unlikely to sell them as long as I'm alive. After that, you're on your own.
I bought 18 records on RSD bc it was my first one. Bought 7-8 in store then bought more the next day online. Very happy with most of them, but they really do put a ton of garbage out to scam collectors.
for me there is a contradiction between financial investment and things that I love. When I talk about investing into my record collection, it is an investment into well being, cultural enjoyment, sharing love for music with friends and family. During me business life I worked for a electronic company for 41 years. My customers were professional TV, Movie and Music production companies. More than once I was asked by records companies if I would like to work for them. I always denied because I love music too much.
I've never found new records to elicit that feeling. I own around ten records made after 2000, because they are either impossible to find used or were new releases I wanted. I have owned a few hundred modern records over the years, but have unloaded them after finding originals since they always compare unfavorably. When I owned them, I never played them.
I would never buy record I didn't want or an artist I didn't like. That being said, I enjoy collecting the bands I love. It brings back my childhood (being 54). If it goes up great. I just want to own what I enjoy. (Limited edition and numbered is nice if that's the case as well). And I don't plan on flipping any of my records, they will be carried down to my kids.
Same here. I just want to have copies of the music I love at my fingertips to listen to and ENJOY. Better still if they go to another potential music lover to play and enjoy after I leave this world -- preferably beloved family members.
When I missed out on the Pepper Adams and Charles Mingus records on RSD, I started looking for what I didn't get that day. What I found was that I could get the RSD records I wanted - Bill Evans, Charles Mingus, and Pepper Adams - on CD for $100.00. A lot of these RSD live releases are soundboard or radio broadcast recordings, and are hardly state of the art audiophile releases. If I can get them for less, I will. I'll still buy vinyl - used when possible, new when more affordable than used.
In recent years, anytime I've bought something due to FOMO I get humbled when I realize that there are plenty of copies still available and often cheaper if I would have just waited a bit longer. Part of it is trauma from not buying a lot of shit when it came out in the early to mid 2000's. Alot of that stuff has yet to get a repress. The stuff I regret not getting is the stuff that I saw used cheap and didn't get cuz I thought it would still be there and later realized "oh I should picked that up when I had the chance..."
I've been fighting the FOMO thing really hard. I've spent thousands on the Mondo and Waxwork colored vinyl reissues of movie soundtracks and although I love many of the ones I have, I impulse bought a bunch that I'd be happy just to have digitally in itunes or don't care about at all. Seeing as those cost $20-50 each new and I collect old records as well, I just remind myself how many fun flea market and dollar bin LPs I could have for the cost of one new LP.
I have about 400 records. I invest in my happiness. Records give me a reason to get up in the morning. I'm 2 years out of a drug rehab facility and I've found something I love instead of drugs. Music has always been a healthy passion. I guess I can't understand why someone would buy a true Philips 1970 "Black Sabbath self titled" 1st Uk pressing, when they can buy a 1971 repress for about $1500 cheaper. The sound is the same. They're both awesome UK Vertigo pressings.
Never had the urge to collect as an investment, although I do have doubles of maybe 3 or 4 albums saved for a rainy day. The FOMO is very real though, sometimes I have to check myself and ask “would I have bought this if it wasn’t super limited?”
I'm a big collector, I have a huge stash of CD's and records. The difference between me and most commentators here is that a hell of a lot of my stuff is collectible because it's a Japanese release. (I live in Japan). I don't buy to flip. I hardly ever buy online, I go to record stores and dig the old-fashioned way. I only do the RSD thing for stuff I want. This year I splashed out on the Scott Walker 'Boy Child ' release. A dreadful quality pressing and unmitigated cash grab, but as a Scott completist I had to have it. Finally caught up with a well used copy of Billy Cobham 'Crosswinds' for a ¥800. Felt more FOMO over that one.
Great episode, guilty of this as well. About 6 months ago I changed my mindset and with each purchase ask myself, are you going to listen to this or are you just acquiring it? FOMO is real though, but I'm more interested now in building a living breathing music collection not a music museum. Keep up the great content!
We're the same age Norm, the 1st two albums I bought with my own money were Inna Gadda DaVida & Are You Experienced. Still have them. We seem to have lived similar childhoods in some ways, but on opposite sides of the country.
FOMO is definitely part of my DNA. I contact for another reason though. I have a great number of LPs and have them stored on regular bookshelves. One day the whole thing will collapse from the weight and I will be sick. Where do you get your storage cubes? What do you recommend?
👍. Love ya, Mazzy. I wonder where I would be if I had not discovered the Vinyl Community or if I had not watched CD collector videos? Without these influences, I might have migrated to Spotify with dedication. I would not have noticed RSD. My disposable income might be more focused elsewhere. I have deep interests in visual art and European porcelain. These items spark joy and make my world unique and delightful. But the same is true of recorded music. As it turns out, I am psyched that I discovered the YT universe of music. FOMO is real though; I have experienced it. The sources are abundant. I think that I have gradually mastered it. My older brother has a refrain that I have employed to counter FOMO feelings: "Who needs it?" You must grimace and shake your head. 😀. Rock Always! - Heather
Can't you just use Spotify to find stuff at random? Just take the filters off and let it play all day and note the stuff you like so you can add more and more artists and then go out and get physical?
Great video Norman. I chuckled at the FOMO piece. Had that experience with Dusty In Memphis (the Abbey Road half-speed master), which was an expensive mistake IMO and I tend to view recent audiophile pressings as a last resort if a decent early pressing is out of reach.
Fomo does exist Mazzy,you do have to question yourself before you buy. I recently bought Hawks & Doves Reactor & This notes for you by Neil Young.A combined price of £35 $44. Next minute he brings out a box set with the same 3 LPs plus an EP for £100. I was all set to buy,had a word with myself & said no 😂. Use the money for records you haven’t got. They somehow get us to buy our collection all over again 😂✌🏻❤️
Yeah my rants like this are discussion starters in a way. There are flaws in my logic but when I have a gut feeling, I try to express a point. Never an absolute but an interesting take on how I’m feeling about something. Thank you Liam✌🏼
To say I’ve never thought about the value would be a lie but at this point I’m at about 800 lps not many doubles so I can say I have pretty much all I want or need, now most of my purchases are something new I’ve learned about or a blind buy happy with where my collection is.
I’ve been watching a lot of TH-cam videos about the Fine Art Business. I’ve never liked/understood Modern Art and now that I have a little more knowledge about the business of Modern Art, I finally have an understanding of why I’ve never liked it. Is record collecting, especially vinyl, being manipulated into becoming a “Fine Art Business “? It sure sounds like it. If it’s anything like the visual art business it will completely take over and pollute popular music. Maybe it already has. That would explain A LOT!
Just a segment of it and really just a small segment. Same with the art works. There high profile high end crazy sales there but so much more modern artwork than can be had by following and artist where the work really hits and inspired you. Not manipulated but the art world intelligencia
Fundamentally I agree with you, I feel that RSD sparked the 'exclusive' vain to sell records, and now everyone is doing it to the point where 'exclusive/limited' on a hype sticker feels a bit like '180 grams'. Definitely agree to buy records you love, be that $5 or $50 dollars, and not buy as an investment, but also agree it's a fine line to thread, and sometimes I I'm not sure. The Norah Jones box set, do I really need it?!? (Right now, I kind of... 😁)
I have a bad case of FOMO as a music collector, but it’s more from fear that something will go out of print so quickly and then I’ll have to pay extra later. This results in me picking up music when I might not be ready to enjoy it (spiritually and financially speaking). FOMO is real and if you know of any support groups out there, I’d be interested! LOL.
Do I have sealed copies of records... yes. Why, because I either forget I have pre-ordered it and order another (I could count on 1 hand how many double copies I have though), or I have still to get around to listening to it.
Had a Huge Collection " Sold 90% " Retired still have enough Vinyl & Japanese cds To keep me happy Not a Beatles fan-I listten to the odd one but I was in my twentys when they can popular & I was heavy into Jazz most of my life Good video
Great video as always, thank you. Coming from the world of tech where FOMO is well articulated I find it a different aspect to buying as investment. They are related but not always. I agree that buying for the music or experience seems a much healthier choice. I had much pleasure lately buying beyond my comfort zone constantly. Cool way to discover new stuff.
I almost exclusively buy used vinyls. To me record collecting is pretty much like archeology: the fun of discovering new music, nice artwork, a journey through the past .. On top of that if I can get them cheap it is even much better. Thierry
The First Album I bought with My own Money is Frank Zappa ",Overnight Sensations " firt time I played it , Itwas taken away . Never seen it again . My Mother went Ballistic.
I drink 🍸 when I listen to records. I have ruined a copy or two while "listening" to records. So I have been known to have a backup copy. Mind you, I have limited my drinking while listening. It costs me too much 💰 I have zero interest in why others have certain records their collection. If they have multiple copies for whatever reason, I dont care. Its their collection and their money.
I collect my vinyl records because I enjoy them I only buy one record I’m into 70’s & 80’s it also depends on who it is I’m picky when it comes to my music 🎶 and country music 🎶
Thanks Mazzy. Let me start by saying that I really enjoy your videos, so thanks! I very much agree with you here (as in most cases). It's about the music to me. If there's an album that I really want to get because of the music, and there's a fun edition of it, then I might go for that one. Otherwise, no. I don't have many box sets. I like them, but with limited resources I can get a good number of used LPs for what a box set cost. Yes, there are a couple of albums where I've got two of same, not exact editions, but similar. Those are usually when I've got a better sounding version, but there's some sort of back story to the original version I had. There's too much music I like for me to be able to be a completist in most cases. But yes, I do feel the FAMO when something new and shiny is presented in a video or I get an email with lovely pictures of limited editions of vinyls. I just reaaally try not to act on it. I always regret it ;-)
Keeping records sealed doesn't make sense to me either. If the record sleeve and the vinyl itself is in superb condition than that's all that matters. If it is sealed, then you can't examine the vinyl. Could be a defect in there. It's unknown. Bigger chance for sealed counterfeits too.
I own 2 copies of my favorite record, both original 60's pressings of Led Zeppelin 1. If I only could listen to 1 album the rest of my life it would be Led Zeppelin 1!
Speaking of investments, if I would sell my record collection I would have doubled my money in two years, I think this is better than the stock marked :-)........not that I would, I said IF.
So true. It's always about the music. Love vinyl records because I like to take it slow and just listen to a whole album from start to end. But I hate the business : all that record day shit, speculators who buy as many copies as they can just to make more dough, colored vinyl special edition shit, 180 gram audiofool pressings, dealers who sell crapy reissue bootlegs from questionable sources and the list goes on... Fortunately there are still plenty of nice, honest record dealers. Just gotta know em. On a side note, I never sold a record myself. I always end up trading them or giving them if I don't listen to them, regardless of the actual value. It's all about the actual music listening enjoyment and I don't care how much my collection is worth.
FOMO is definitely real - the current multi variations pressings - normally before an album is even released - Completism also a massive issue for me - just gotta get the whole catalogue - it’s a great but at times an expensive hobby - preorders don’t help as I’ve often forgotten how much is on order until that massive mail day ! Keep up the excellent videos from a fellow Norman
Yes I agree a lot. I had an inherited collection of 78rpm , Chopin, Mario Lanza etc all the commonly available ones. No rare music hall or comedy . I did lots of research. I put some on eBay, Discogs. Nobody wanted any in 5 years . I took them to recycle shop for charity and they couldn't take them. They ended up in council tip.
As vinyl is a sellers' market and CDs (used) are a buyers' market, I've gone for the latter. There's more to the story than this (eg, I don't buy records anyway; I don't like surface noise, etc.) but let's keep it simple. I just picked up scarce European label CDs at a thrift store for 25 cents each on discount day. 12 discs for three dollars. Labels like Chandos. High quality sonics. Meanwhile, people are paying $30+ for one vinyl. No thanks. It's a great time to be in the CD buying market. My problem is the opposite, fear of missing out on selling the remaining records I have left. I did a nice purge/selloff of albums in 2014 at great profit to myself and don't miss the LPs at all.. Anyway, I love the channel, even though I'm probably anathema to the so-called vinyl community. It's all about the music after all, right?
You think selling those record in 2014 was a great time? That means you will tell yourself whatever you want to make sure you feel good. Even selling in 2022 is questionable. People buy baseball cards, coins, qnd stamps that don't do shit but sit there. With vinyl you can actually enjoy them. It's about time vinyl gets it's fair share of investment value, no true signs of slowing down either. CD's probably will always have a true lower value because they are digital and very easy to make an exact sounding copy. Doesn't mean they cant be valuable, but it's a completely different deal than vinyl. Just another guys opinion, but with data to back it, not hopium
@@Brian-qg8dg While as a format I don't have an issue, but there is one problem, they don't last quite like vinyl does, and I know from experience as CD suffers from disc rot. That is, the silver layer inside the discs deteriorates and becomes unplayable. Even DVD's and BD's suffer from this. I have a DVD of the 1982 movie Diner that is like that. Does not show evidence of disc rot, but it's now unplayable as the TOC is now unreadable. What happens is there is a breach in the poly layer on the discs and the silver reflective layer deteriorates due to that breach and it's then goodby disc. Seen it happen with CDR's if left in the car and exposed to the sun while it sat off road for several months while I attempted to fix it and one day, I spotted the disc sitting in the slot below my head unit, and it was pocked with holes in the reflective layer. Vinyl, if taken care of can last for decades or more in most cases, which is why most of us can still play that 65 year old Jazz LP to this day, with CD, you won't be able to in a few more years as the players cease to work, and no new ones made.
"It's all about the music after all, right?" EXACTLY! So no need to right or left justify anything. Your collection your decisions your hobby. I have a lot of vinyl, CDs and cassettes for what it is worth and I'm not selling. I try to play everything although cleaning vinyl is when I listen to CDs or stream. I try to play within 48 hours of purchase. I do have a small unplayed vinyl backlog, but mainly because I have not ultra sonic cleaned them. Never gonna be completely caught up most likely, but I will try.
@@johnhpalmer6098 Just a few thoughts: I’ve been collecting CDs since 1985 and have about 9,000 of them- I’ve never had an issue with disc rot/not once. That’s more humidity and temperature storage related (it’s human error not manufacture defect driven). On the other hand, the defect ratio for newer vinyl seems especially high- that’s relative to bad QC. Finally, all 4k blu-ray players, standard blu-ray players, DVD players, etc. play compact discs- no issues finding things to play CDs on. Not saying which format is best but I’m very content with my collection and would not bother changing formats at this point in the game.
@@pez7031 Just so you know, the Diner DVD was kept in a climate controlled room it's whole life and I don't have high humidity where I live, generally and it's happened to many others, not just me. I've got CD's that go back to the 80's too. Will have to check some of the oldest to see if they are OK. But it is a real thing because digital can work, then it won't. This is more so with recordables than with commercial CD's but it can happen there too. Not saying it's overly common, but it's a thing nonetheless.
Norman, when is it a mistake NOT to buy a record? I am a relatively new collector (new, but quite experienced and knowledgeable [can read labels, deadwax, pressing plants etc) and am conflicted on when it is worth it to buy a record. In short, my philosophy is that I want OG NM and above pressings of my favorite records, no reissues or duplicates, with the exception being mono and stereo for a few albums. Just the other day, I came across an original copy of Eastern Sounds by Yusef Lateef, and despite being one of my favorite Jazz records, it was not in the condition that would make me satisfied to own it for life. In other words, I knew that I would need another copy someday. Moreover, I am trying to use my money to build out my rock collection right now, which has been a slow process given how expensive some OG pressings are. However, I hope I do not regret not purchasing that Eastern Sounds because of the small chance I will ever see it again someday, and in the condition I desire. I also try and only purchase records online a couple of times a year on special occasions, or if there is something I want for extremely cheap, because I want to make this a hobby I can continue to do for the rest of my life. Is this a reasonable philosophy in your opinion? Should I have bought that Lateef record?
Just don’t sweat it. If if feel good buy it. Or not. Some people pass on records that might be of less quality and others buy them as sort of placeholders to enjoy until a better copy comes along. Then they sell or trade away the lesser copy. Don’t stress about record buying. Just have fun with it. ✌🏼
If I gave in to fomo I'd have no room or the finances for anything but Cure stuff lol. Ok, that's a stretch, but you get my point. Being somewhat a completist is tough enough, considering how I hunt. I can't imagine having to have every blah blah blah...
I just need one copy (preferably on black vinyl) and I'm good... sometimes I go for first pressings (Beatles in mono, stuff like that), but most of the time, whatever pressing I can get hold of is fine. But I steer clear of all those modern collectibles. It's about listening to music in a way we love and adore, not about flipping money. Limited editions make no sense for records, it's just a money scam!
i paid off all my debt. payed off my property, my house, all new construction, payed off all the gear in my recording studio.... i have a garden/greenhouse and my own water well... I payed off all my credit cards, my truck, my wife's Suberu.... I own gold, silver and Bitcoin... food for 6 months... guns and ammo.... why can't i invest in my record collection? why Mazzy? why?
Of course you can. This person doesn’t like the practice w music but I never tried stopping anyone else from doing so. This is a personal opinion piece ✌🏼
I only buy records i'm going to play - unzip the shrink, plonk it on the platter and fill the world with music! (It makes me sad to see these huge, valuable collections that get bought by record stores and most of them have never been played. That's like buying an instrument and never playing it...).
6 colored versions. But all open. Yeah that is crazy but these are different in design style so it seems I’m slightly inconsistent. My Beatles collection is different to me and I’m buying them if the musical and artistic enjoyment. Not as an investment. But of course they all will go away years from now. So I’m a temporary curator or a temporary secretary ✌🏼🤠
One thing i never cared for and a lot of people i know get them all the time and thats greatest hits albums. There are some that have songs that aren't on the original albums so i have a few , but thats the only time i'll do it. And i have to like that band a lot if i do. As far as keeping them sealed, No. they are meant to be heard. '' Peace ''
For me its not "investing" for profit and backup or the exclusive records. For me having records is a hobby. I love music, i love to look at the sleeve, the story behind it ! That is a big difference. I also enjoy the search. So now i bought a mark and clark vinyl record for only 2 euro. And it is a great album.
I just began collecting in December and haven't bought any mono records yet. If you were to recommend just 1 Beatles album in mono as a different experience what would it be?
The white album is different in mono. But maybe hard to get now ? The early albums mostly work in mono since the vocals are centered and not far left or right.
@@mazzysmusic The white album was my intro to The Beatles and always been a favorite because of that. Will take some time to figure out what the going rate is and then wait for a good copy to be a good deal. I too have FOMO'd myself into a few purchases but have found it relatively easy to be patient on most older rock bands and albums which are very available such as The Beatles. Thanks for the advise and videos!
I just buy what I love, never though of it as an investment especially considering how many records I've come across for free. Back it the aughts there were people who were just giving them away because they took up space and they were into digital by then. I was a teenager with very little money so it was a win, funny how things change. Multiple copies are great to have to give away as gifts - I've never sold anything that I got for free or came in a purchased lot. If it turns someone on to music they've never heard before, or allows them to have a copy of a record they've always wanted - great! Live and let live! Another thing: I've been greatly disappointed by remasters/ reissues. The biggest disappointment thus far has been Jethro Tull's Thick as a Brick remastered by Steven Wilson on vinyl. I've had an original pressing for years and it sounds great. I bought the Steven Wilson copy thinking it could be ever better, but that turned out not to be the case. It sounds flat compared to the original, all the dynamics- the light and shade have been iron out in the mix. Maybe it sounds better in digital? I don't know. One last thing. I refuse to pay over retail for anything. Don't feed the bears! If you keep doing it they start to expect it, and become assholes you can't get rid of later on. You don't want bears in your life. Peace! ✌
Where do people get the $ to buy all these albums, especially those that have been in the hobby 10 years or less. Collections of say 500-5,000 albums. How do people buy and what do they allocate to the hobby? Me since the 70's, but I would really like to know, maybe a new video for how much cash collectors have spent in their collections, especially those with new pressings. Say at $20-45 an album.........are we talking $5K-30K or more?
Personally I always buy records to listen to and wouldn't care if it was worth £500 or whatever if unplayed. I have never bought a record as an investment. Sure it's nice if you did get it cheaper or you know its rare/Valuable. Like fine expensive wine, no point keeping it, enjoy life and drink it! Same with records, buy them and enjoy them. Yes, we do always suffer from FOMO occasionally but I nowadays always think, will I play and appreciate this limited edition record? If yes, then I'll buy it. As someone wrote earlier, there are people who buy limited edition/ rare records for selfish & profitable reasons, but then the real genuine people miss out. My opinion/rant over!😉
I like it when people are inconsistent that’s usually where the interesting part of life is. if you’re not a little hypocritical you are probably really boring
I have over 1300 records, and growing, and not one have I purchased as an investment. Sure I may check to see what they are worth, but I collect because I am naustalgic about my music and every record I buy, I buy, t with the intention of listening to them.
Ha! I'm lucky that none of the records I buy go up in value. I'm also lucky that one of the artists I like are targeted for the audiophile treatment. Most of all I'm blessed by not having enough money to fork out on vinyl speculation. I'll get back to you if any of those situations change.
Hi Mazzy. Great video. I buy what I like..... not for FOMO. I keep nothing sealed...... I buy music to play it. I don't like art of flipping. Buying 10 copies of something people want... making them go scarce to then come back and gouge fans. Not right. Record companies would help in eliminating flipping by opening more pressing plants and more product in the market. Just my opinion... talking as a lover of music and the beauty of holding that music item as a physical medium in your hands. God bless... thank you for another great video.
I disagree with you entirely, the good news is, so do you! Throughout this video you give caveats that completely negate your own premise. From my view, most people simply call a second copy a "back-up" until its worth so much money they sell/trade it for far more than it cost (like you did with the McCartney III) making the original copy they've kept, Free! Collecting records is fun and brings me happiness. Its just one of the aspects of free enterprise. And yes, FOMO is also part of collecting that can occasionally be anti-fun, but SONMO (Satiesfaction of Not Missing Out) having scored a preordered a highly desirable disc is a great fun feeling, too! Dealers buy multiple limited editions all the time. This idea that its "unfair" because it somehow cheats other collectors who didn't pre-order is equally ridiculous. I learned a long time ago not to be envious of others collections. Instead, I'm happy for you and what you've amassed, curated, and cared for. If you want to buy an extra copy good for you. But its really not my business. I like anything that lets owners of old recordings to know they should remaster their tapes and make those recordings for sale. If part of that means some people buy multiple copies, all the better for the record business. I enjoy your videos, and seeing what you've managed to collect, but what other people do with their money and collections is their business.
Totally agree, Mazzy. I buy records to listen to them. Because I love music! I have zero unopened records. In fact, I buy VERY few new records. I like digging, my favorite shops are ones that have the least amount of organization. Just crates of records.
I don’t totally agree. It’s people in the stores. I’d have know problem if they Simply rehearsed these monthly whenever they were ready and buyers could frequent the stores more regularly
Norman I’d accept the point about more often that way people are going to the stores as it is it’s a mad scramble a couple of times a year! I do feel though that somewhere prices are inflated! Stay well 👍
FOMO is advertising, if they have 5000 copies of an album and they all sellout the record company is going to reissue it - but they will do it on Black vinyl so it's nothing like the RSD version which was a million shades of happy. why anybody would listen to something in mono is ridiculous. I have that Prince "Sign 'O The Times" box set, so much filler, when they do these huge sets they are putting everything the artist thought wasn't good enough for the album, why would I think differently.
When buying records it can introduce a warped incentive if you are focused on increased cost over time. When making a purchasing decision, what works for me is to always ask myself a few questions:
(1) Have I heard this record before?
(2) Do I like this record?
(3) If I had it, would I listen to it?
(4) Does it fulfill an unmet need in my listening library?
(5) Does it meet my standards in terms of condition?
(6) Is it worth the price?
It's simple - to buy the record, the answer to all of the above questions must be yes! If not I'm happy to wait until something else comes along.
Good list
I wholeheartedly agreed with points three-six but not one and two. Much of the fun of buying records is discovering stuff in your wheelhouse that you've never seen before. I've been collecting records since the '70s and i STILL find interesting stuff I didn't know existed. While I wouldn't risk top $ for an expensive new LP or premium priced dealer sale amount, I find LPs at yard sales and flea markets all the time to buy that I don't know.
I want to be able to wear a blindfold, pull any record from my 700+ collection, and it be a killer record . . . great tunes, beautiful art. That's it. Tastes change and mistakes are made (hello, impulse buys!), but I'm getting there. Thanks for the video, Mr. Maslov. You made some great points. Love the passion! Keep it up!
I think 700 + Is a very sensible contained collection. Well done for controlling the collection.
The absolute worst part of buying limited edition releases just to flip is when the real fans who want to buy it and enjoy it for themselves cannot because flippers/scalpers have gobbled up too many copies.
The is what Record Store Day is all about. Sadly.
Absolutely 💯!
And the price goes up, everything I have bought the last 10 to 15 years are worth 2 to 3 times more now, and I only buy new records.
And the colour ones I bought for $20 to $30 is selling on dischog for $130 to $200, it's insane.
Yes they are cunts for doing that
I only buy records that I like to listen to. Like to find old records that I used to have.I collect for the Memories and the listening experience,but everyone is different.
I'm 81 now, but when I was 14 growing up in New York City, I held a copy of THE CAINE MUTINY soundtrack LP in my hands in a record store in Manhattan. I loved the movie -- which had just come out -- and I briefly considered buying it with my allowance, until some other record caught my attention...a record whose title I've long since forgotten. To this day, I still suffer from FOMO about that.
81 ? So you must have heard of Kerouac !
Mazzy, just a note thanking you for this video (and all the rest). I discovered the TH-cam vinyl community during the pandemic and my specimen collection really grew, thanks to suggestions from you and Michael from Germany and a number of others who know what Sounds great. Yes, a small infection of FOMO but no major symptoms. I just want you to know that you have been a trusted vinyl mentor and appreciate your wisdom.
Agreed, Mazzy seems like a really nice individual and is an inspiration.
Lps are meant to be spun, not hidden behind sealed plastic never seeing the light of day (the light of a turntable side lamp). I'm with ya Mazzy, let's let these puppies out and enjoy the music 😃👍 God forbid this hobby actually be fun.
I agree. It's the music first! I don't even call myself a collector. Do I have a collection? Yes, cd's vinyl movies, I've got many collections. Did I go into it thinking, I want to be a collector of something and this will be it, No! I like these things, buy what I like, and guess what, it turns In to a collection of something that my wife is constantly pissed about taking up too much space. There's no thought put into some specially curated collection. More like, I really like this band or the record. Now I have it. That's all there is to it.
Thanks for properly and truly explaining what a record "collector" really is. 👍
The word, 'collector' on this channel and it's followers is the equivalent of 'criminal'. It's nuts!
Bud you are the best example of the 'Kettle calling the pot black' that I've seen in a long while.
The you missed the point of the video 😎
@@mazzysmusic Or : You remind of someone's Dad who smoked for 40 years and every time he sees a young person smoking he becomes an evangelist. Let people do what people do with their records because no amount of preaching will stop them.
@@Neil-Aspinall I would never try to stop anyone from enjoying music or collection records. These are my personal opinion pieces which I state several times. It’s simply my take a sort of a discussion starter as you can see by the variety of comments.
If somebody wants a backup copy of the same record then it’s their choice. But from my experience records can last a lifetime if you take basic care of them so why not buy something else? Other music to enjoy.
I too buy multiple copies if they have musical or artistic differences. I point this out to start the debate which is exactly what happened here.
I appreciate your comments and others when they are constructive or snarky works too.
So true Mazzy - thanks for speaking to what is on a lot of our minds. Like you, I have been guilty of this in the past as well, but have really focused in on collecting for me lately. Having a well curated, well rounded and diverse collection of music I like. I don't have the storage space or $$ to simply "invest" lol. Perfect example just happened yesterday - I happened to see the always dangerous "preorder" button for the Bill Withers Still Bill mofi release. My brain instantly went the FOMO route as these will obviously sell out and sky rocket in price...but then I did a self check and told myself that I already have a clean original copy of that album, and that there is really no justification to spend money on the mofi. So I'm happy to say I am improving in this category 😎
I appreciate the honesty and the insight. For me it began with the music, (in my case, watching the Beatles on Ed Sullivan, on a tiny B&W TV) vinyl just happened to be the medium I latched onto, largely a consequence of my age, 63. But like you, and I assume many others, my collecting has also been driven by other concerns: FOMO, exclusivity, filling gaps, sonically showing off my system, and finding that rare and potentially valuable record. These concerns can take focus away from enjoying the music; yet in some cases, for example "audiophile" records that sonically kick ass, they can enhance that enjoyment. But as someone who has found himself humming along with the song in the aisle of a supermarket, if the music isn't good, it doesn't improve when the sounds are faithfully reproduced.
Thank you for reminding me what's important and your willingness to be publicly honest.
I usually buy the vinyl and also the digital version simulataneously because I travel a lot for work. Tough to travel with vinyl :)
Interesting - when you said “specimen collector”, I immediately understood what you meant and when you explained it turned out to be right. I definitely buy and collect widely and focus on quality music regardless style. Love your collection. If you like obscure 45s you might find something fun on my page.
My first collection was very much like a specimen collection. I tried to buy all the most important albums, even if I didn’t like it but I wanted to hear it and see why it is important. Now with limited space I have stopped that and now I just try to buy albums that I truly love. That said I still do too much blind buying lol. Oh well, somethings can’t be stopped. FOMO is real and we all have to fight that. I’m getting better at it
Onya Mazzie! Yet again, there's some reassurance and good to know that our "addiction" is widespread. (And my wife thought it was just me!) My addiction happens when it comes to having every version (CD, SACD, Vinyl, DVD-A, Blu-ray...---Bloody Neil Young is sucking my Superannuation dry!) of a particular artist but man, do I love the chase! (Think about all the fellow "cool people" you meet in shops, markets, fairs...all sharing the same passion). Staying clear of the vices of greed and want of FOMO, collecting and LOVING your music (in any format) is pure passion with good clean interest, enthusiasm and stimulation at the highest level. Thanks for making this old Ozzie guy feel good!
I don't have FOMO I just have an Addiction to Vinyl...
Hi, I totally agree ! It is for me all about the love of and for the music. This is not a generalization .In my opinion, If you say you are a music lover of many genres a nd styles of music, therefore you purchased vinyl and portray that as a person but you may also want to sale your vinyl if the price is right, if you will. To me ,thing in life gotta make sense if your trying to teach a goal ! And love for the album/ music vs. collecting vinyl as an investment/ profit don't correlate! It's two different Universes. Your either, a true music lover or a stock broker of music album!
Exactly ✌🏼
Says the guy who wakes up at 5am on record store day to buy all the limited editions, has multiple copies of albums and all kinds of different editions.
👍👍👍
Ive been collecting for about 42 years and have always bought records for the music.
Like you i have some really rare and expensive ones that i just got when buying a private collection from someone and it's nice to think how rare they are but its always the music first.
Luv the show.
A record hound friend of mine just found at the end of April 2022, an original Plastic Cloud in unwrapped and little if at all played, excellent condition, with the insert for 3 Canadian dollars at a thrift store here in the Toronto area with a value of approx. 1,500 dollars. He says he is going to keep it. I would ,that's a top drawer psychedelic record.
So, he has a capability even rarer than true perfect pitch - he can hear the sound of money, mostly flying off into the distance. I cherish really beat up old LPs because they were never re-released on CD, and are too obscure for most any library to bother distributing. Besides yourself, who exactly are you trying to impress with the record you likely can't risk putting under a needle, for fear your investment should be damaged. Historical collections of art or literature have their purposes, but music treated as a hermetically sealed Honus Wagner baseball card is drained of purpose. But by all means, enjoy staring at your shelves of catalogued plastic, if that's your taste.
@@z1522 If it were mine I would slap it on the turntable as soon as possible and play it again and again and again. The value for me is in the music. I really enjoy that music. I have a number of rare records in my collection and they all get regular rotation on my turntable. Love my garage/psych/lsd music. Trying to impress no one, just letting folks know that some of these discs still can be found in the wild. By the way I am going to offer my original first Rush album on the Moon label and some hard to find blues in exchange for the Plastic Cloud.
I know I'm 2 years late to this video or more, but I understand what you're saying here.
I started buying vinyl because I got it into my head that all my digital music could just be taken away at a moments notice.
If I have digital saves and physical copies of music, then I'll have access to it for as long as I have equipment to play it.
But then I had a nice little fully analog setup and played a Walmart Metallica vinyl on it and just fell in love with the sound. The stereo separation and the subtlety, and on a Walmart vinyl.
I can't imagine what a well recorded and mastered vinyl sounds like, so if I ever find a classic in good condition, I at least want to listen to it.
You definitely have a point that is true for many of us - myself included (to a certain degree).
To my "defence" I'll say that (in general through my life) I have regretted things I DID NOT do more than things I did.
This goes for buying records as well - and it's not so bad/expensive as the prices are developing these last years. But I'm not a completeist.
I have 3 (out of app. 3.000) records that are still sealed - and it's amongst the most expensive, I own: one Supersense laquer and two MOFI One-Steps. The reason for this that I feel I need a special occasion to open a record 3-500 USD.
And then I have 10-15 sealed records (30-60 USD) that I bought an extra copy of on webshops because the shipping was the same as for one - and I hope to sell these extras to help pay the shipping for my keepers copy.
I buy what I like, not what I should get, or think I should get based on what is recommended. I don't have nearly the collection you have however but I've been collecting vinyl for a long time myself, going back to the late 70's as an adolescent. The ONLY time I rebuy something is to replace a poor copy with a cleaner one and have many originals, most bought used (and this includes 45's), many as reissues and rarely do I buy something that is for the FOMO. the ONLY reason is being able to get something while I can at the price it is at before it goes up or is on sale etc, but it is not limited to the vinyl purchase, but is for anything that I need or want, and can safely purchase without going broke if you know what I mean.
I buy stuff to play, or digitize for playing in the car, of which I just finished a project for just that. Captured from vinyl, with most from my 45's (singles that is), with probably 2/3rds being original pressings, many on styrene at that, the rest are reissues. The rest of the playlist came from LP's, from the mid 60's to the mid 70's. Most of it rock/pop, but a couple are not though. Shanheid by Pierce Webb and Early Morning Love by Sammy Johns, and No Matter What (your Stomach's in) that was the music for the Alka Seltzer commercial from 1966 on an original Liberty 7" 45. Anyway, that was fun to put together, but the thing is, I enjoy all that and like to mix and match for a playlist for the car when the mood strikes but I also just play for the sake of playing on my Rega P6.
I know this post is a year old, but I just happened upon it. First let me say that I really dig the way your shirt picks up the pattern of the records on the shelves behind you. Next, I must repeat a comment I left elsewhere a while back: If I wanted to make money, I'd get a better-paying job. Records I collect for fun, for pleasure, for music. My friends tell me I should leave notes about which records are valuable so that when I die my heirs (!) will know where the money is. Yes, some of them are worth something (today, maybe not so much tomorrow -- I remember the first time LPs became worthless overnight in the late '80s/early '90s), but that's not going to do me any good because I don't buy records I don't want in my life, so I'm unlikely to sell them as long as I'm alive. After that, you're on your own.
I bought 18 records on RSD bc it was my first one. Bought 7-8 in store then bought more the next day online. Very happy with most of them, but they really do put a ton of garbage out to scam collectors.
for me there is a contradiction between financial investment and things that I love. When I talk about investing into my record collection, it is an investment into well being, cultural enjoyment, sharing love for music with friends and family. During me business life I worked for a electronic company for 41 years. My customers were professional TV, Movie and Music production companies. More than once I was asked by records companies if I would like to work for them. I always denied because I love music too much.
Good call ✌🏼
Dude you nailed it here!
I've never found new records to elicit that feeling. I own around ten records made after 2000, because they are either impossible to find used or were new releases I wanted. I have owned a few hundred modern records over the years, but have unloaded them after finding originals since they always compare unfavorably. When I owned them, I never played them.
I would never buy record I didn't want or an artist I didn't like. That being said, I enjoy collecting the bands I love. It brings back my childhood (being 54). If it goes up great. I just want to own what I enjoy. (Limited edition and numbered is nice if that's the case as well). And I don't plan on flipping any of my records, they will be carried down to my kids.
Same here. I just want to have copies of the music I love at my fingertips to listen to and ENJOY. Better still if they go to another potential music lover to play and enjoy after I leave this world -- preferably beloved family members.
When I missed out on the Pepper Adams and Charles Mingus records on RSD, I started looking for what I didn't get that day. What I found was that I could get the RSD records I wanted - Bill Evans, Charles Mingus, and Pepper Adams - on CD for $100.00. A lot of these RSD live releases are soundboard or radio broadcast recordings, and are hardly state of the art audiophile releases. If I can get them for less, I will. I'll still buy vinyl - used when possible, new when more affordable than used.
In recent years, anytime I've bought something due to FOMO I get humbled when I realize that there are plenty of copies still available and often cheaper if I would have just waited a bit longer. Part of it is trauma from not buying a lot of shit when it came out in the early to mid 2000's. Alot of that stuff has yet to get a repress. The stuff I regret not getting is the stuff that I saw used cheap and didn't get cuz I thought it would still be there and later realized "oh I should picked that up when I had the chance..."
I've been fighting the FOMO thing really hard. I've spent thousands on the Mondo and Waxwork colored vinyl reissues of movie soundtracks and although I love many of the ones I have, I impulse bought a bunch that I'd be happy just to have digitally in itunes or don't care about at all. Seeing as those cost $20-50 each new and I collect old records as well, I just remind myself how many fun flea market and dollar bin LPs I could have for the cost of one new LP.
I have about 400 records. I invest in my happiness. Records give me a reason to get up in the morning. I'm 2 years out of a drug rehab facility and I've found something I love instead of drugs. Music has always been a healthy passion.
I guess I can't understand why someone would buy a true Philips 1970 "Black Sabbath self titled" 1st Uk pressing, when they can buy a 1971 repress for about $1500 cheaper. The sound is the same. They're both awesome UK Vertigo pressings.
I’m with you in the Black Sabbath. Wishing you a good road to recovery ✌🏼
Never had the urge to collect as an investment, although I do have doubles of maybe 3 or 4 albums saved for a rainy day. The FOMO is very real though, sometimes I have to check myself and ask “would I have bought this if it wasn’t super limited?”
Mofi's complete business model seems to be based on FOMO lol. Cheers for your channel :-)
I'm a big collector, I have a huge stash of CD's and records. The difference between me and most commentators here is that a hell of a lot of my stuff is collectible because it's a Japanese release. (I live in Japan). I don't buy to flip. I hardly ever buy online, I go to record stores and dig the old-fashioned way. I only do the RSD thing for stuff I want. This year I splashed out on the Scott Walker 'Boy Child ' release. A dreadful quality pressing and unmitigated cash grab, but as a Scott completist I had to have it. Finally caught up with a well used copy of Billy Cobham 'Crosswinds' for a ¥800. Felt more FOMO over that one.
Great episode, guilty of this as well. About 6 months ago I changed my mindset and with each purchase ask myself, are you going to listen to this or are you just acquiring it? FOMO is real though, but I'm more interested now in building a living breathing music collection not a music museum. Keep up the great content!
We're the same age Norm, the 1st two albums I bought with my own money were Inna Gadda DaVida & Are You Experienced. Still have them. We seem to have lived similar childhoods in some ways, but on opposite sides of the country.
FOMO is definitely part of my DNA. I contact for another reason though. I have a great number of LPs and have them stored on regular bookshelves. One day the whole thing will collapse from the weight and I will be sick. Where do you get your storage cubes? What do you recommend?
👍. Love ya, Mazzy. I wonder where I would be if I had not discovered the Vinyl Community or if I had not watched CD collector videos? Without these influences, I might have migrated to Spotify with dedication. I would not have noticed RSD. My disposable income might be more focused elsewhere. I have deep interests in visual art and European porcelain. These items spark joy and make my world unique and delightful. But the same is true of recorded music. As it turns out, I am psyched that I discovered the YT universe of music. FOMO is real though; I have experienced it. The sources are abundant. I think that I have gradually mastered it. My older brother has a refrain that I have employed to counter FOMO feelings: "Who needs it?" You must grimace and shake your head. 😀. Rock Always! - Heather
Can't you just use Spotify to find stuff at random? Just take the filters off and let it play all day and note the stuff you like so you can add more and more artists and then go out and get physical?
I told a friend I'd never sell my records, so he named a price and it turns out I would.
Great video Norman. I chuckled at the FOMO piece. Had that experience with Dusty In Memphis (the Abbey Road half-speed master), which was an expensive mistake IMO and I tend to view recent audiophile pressings as a last resort if a decent early pressing is out of reach.
Fomo does exist Mazzy,you do have to question yourself before you buy.
I recently bought Hawks & Doves Reactor & This notes for you by Neil Young.A combined price of £35 $44.
Next minute he brings out a box set with the same 3 LPs plus an EP for £100.
I was all set to buy,had a word with myself & said no 😂.
Use the money for records you haven’t got.
They somehow get us to buy our collection all over again 😂✌🏻❤️
Yeah my rants like this are discussion starters in a way. There are flaws in my logic but when I have a gut feeling, I try to express a point. Never an absolute but an interesting take on how I’m feeling about something. Thank you Liam✌🏼
Love this video! Collect for the love of music, not to cash in down the line.
To say I’ve never thought about the value would be a lie but at this point I’m at about 800 lps not many doubles so I can say I have pretty much all I want or need, now most of my purchases are something new I’ve learned about or a blind buy happy with where my collection is.
I’ve been watching a lot of TH-cam videos about the Fine Art Business. I’ve never liked/understood Modern Art and now that I have a little more knowledge about the business of Modern Art, I finally have an understanding of why I’ve never liked it. Is record collecting, especially vinyl, being manipulated into becoming a “Fine Art Business “? It sure sounds like it. If it’s anything like the visual art business it will completely take over and pollute popular music. Maybe it already has. That would explain A LOT!
Just a segment of it and really just a small segment. Same with the art works. There high profile high end crazy sales there but so much more modern artwork than can be had by following and artist where the work really hits and inspired you. Not manipulated but the art world intelligencia
I've collected records for 45 years and have never been to RSD. Not caring is blissful. Not waiting in line, even more so.
Fundamentally I agree with you, I feel that RSD sparked the 'exclusive' vain to sell records, and now everyone is doing it to the point where 'exclusive/limited' on a hype sticker feels a bit like '180 grams'. Definitely agree to buy records you love, be that $5 or $50 dollars, and not buy as an investment, but also agree it's a fine line to thread, and sometimes I I'm not sure. The Norah Jones box set, do I really need it?!? (Right now, I kind of... 😁)
The Norah Jones AP stuff is wonderful.
I have a bad case of FOMO as a music collector, but it’s more from fear that something will go out of print so quickly and then I’ll have to pay extra later. This results in me picking up music when I might not be ready to enjoy it (spiritually and financially speaking). FOMO is real and if you know of any support groups out there, I’d be interested! LOL.
It’s cost avoidance 😀
Do I have sealed copies of records... yes. Why, because I either forget I have pre-ordered it and order another (I could count on 1 hand how many double copies I have though), or I have still to get around to listening to it.
Had a Huge Collection " Sold 90% " Retired still have enough Vinyl & Japanese cds To keep me happy Not a Beatles fan-I listten to the odd one but I was in my twentys when they can popular & I was heavy into Jazz most of my life Good video
Great video as always, thank you. Coming from the world of tech where FOMO is well articulated I find it a different aspect to buying as investment. They are related but not always. I agree that buying for the music or experience seems a much healthier choice. I had much pleasure lately buying beyond my comfort zone constantly. Cool way to discover new stuff.
Oh yeah. Tech and sneakers ✌🏼
I almost exclusively buy used vinyls. To me record collecting is pretty much like archeology: the fun of discovering new music, nice artwork, a journey through the past .. On top of that if I can get them cheap it is even much better. Thierry
The First Album I bought with My own Money is Frank Zappa ",Overnight Sensations " firt time I played it , Itwas taken away . Never seen it again . My Mother went Ballistic.
Wait..... my vinyl collection isn't a sound investment? Sure fooled me. :)
I drink 🍸 when I listen to records. I have ruined a copy or two while "listening" to records. So I have been known to have a backup copy. Mind you, I have limited my drinking while listening. It costs me too much 💰
I have zero interest in why others have certain records their collection. If they have multiple copies for whatever reason, I dont care. Its their collection and their money.
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You should see how many people on tiktok buy every single variant of an albums vinyl color
I collect my vinyl records because I enjoy them I only buy one record I’m into 70’s & 80’s it also depends on who it is I’m picky when it comes to my music 🎶 and country music 🎶
Thanks Mazzy. Let me start by saying that I really enjoy your videos, so thanks! I very much agree with you here (as in most cases). It's about the music to me. If there's an album that I really want to get because of the music, and there's a fun edition of it, then I might go for that one. Otherwise, no. I don't have many box sets. I like them, but with limited resources I can get a good number of used LPs for what a box set cost. Yes, there are a couple of albums where I've got two of same, not exact editions, but similar. Those are usually when I've got a better sounding version, but there's some sort of back story to the original version I had. There's too much music I like for me to be able to be a completist in most cases. But yes, I do feel the FAMO when something new and shiny is presented in a video or I get an email with lovely pictures of limited editions of vinyls. I just reaaally try not to act on it. I always regret it ;-)
Yeah this was basically a conversation starter. ✌🏼
@@mazzysmusic Of course 🙂It's just quite an interesting topic
Keeping records sealed doesn't make sense to me either. If the record sleeve and the vinyl itself is in superb condition than that's all that matters. If it is sealed, then you can't examine the vinyl. Could be a defect in there. It's unknown. Bigger chance for sealed counterfeits too.
I own 2 copies of my favorite record, both original 60's pressings of Led Zeppelin 1. If I only could listen to 1 album the rest of my life it would be Led Zeppelin 1!
Speaking of investments, if I would sell my record collection I would have doubled my money in two years, I think this is better than the stock marked :-)........not that I would, I said IF.
The Tone Poet series sound amazing but if you’re not keen on the music itself then what’s the point in getting it ?
Yeah. Listen online then choose the ones you dig ✌🏼
So true. It's always about the music. Love vinyl records because I like to take it slow and just listen to a whole album from start to end. But I hate the business : all that record day shit, speculators who buy as many copies as they can just to make more dough, colored vinyl special edition shit, 180 gram audiofool pressings, dealers who sell crapy reissue bootlegs from questionable sources and the list goes on... Fortunately there are still plenty of nice, honest record dealers. Just gotta know em.
On a side note, I never sold a record myself. I always end up trading them or giving them if I don't listen to them, regardless of the actual value.
It's all about the actual music listening enjoyment and I don't care how much my collection is worth.
FOMO is definitely real - the current multi variations pressings - normally before an album is even released - Completism also a massive issue for me - just gotta get the whole catalogue - it’s a great but at times an expensive hobby - preorders don’t help as I’ve often forgotten how much is on order until that massive mail day ! Keep up the excellent videos from a fellow Norman
You could call your specially curated collection 'Maslov's Hierarchy of (vinyl) Needs'
Yes I agree a lot. I had an inherited collection of 78rpm , Chopin, Mario Lanza etc all the commonly available ones. No rare music hall or comedy . I did lots of research. I put some on eBay, Discogs. Nobody wanted any in 5 years . I took them to recycle shop for charity and they couldn't take them. They ended up in council tip.
As vinyl is a sellers' market and CDs (used) are a buyers' market, I've gone for the latter. There's more to the story than this (eg, I don't buy records anyway; I don't like surface noise, etc.) but let's keep it simple. I just picked up scarce European label CDs at a thrift store for 25 cents each on discount day. 12 discs for three dollars. Labels like Chandos. High quality sonics. Meanwhile, people are paying $30+ for one vinyl. No thanks. It's a great time to be in the CD buying market. My problem is the opposite, fear of missing out on selling the remaining records I have left. I did a nice purge/selloff of albums in 2014 at great profit to myself and don't miss the LPs at all.. Anyway, I love the channel, even though I'm probably anathema to the so-called vinyl community. It's all about the music after all, right?
You think selling those record in 2014 was a great time? That means you will tell yourself whatever you want to make sure you feel good. Even selling in 2022 is questionable. People buy baseball cards, coins, qnd stamps that don't do shit but sit there. With vinyl you can actually enjoy them. It's about time vinyl gets it's fair share of investment value, no true signs of slowing down either. CD's probably will always have a true lower value because they are digital and very easy to make an exact sounding copy. Doesn't mean they cant be valuable, but it's a completely different deal than vinyl. Just another guys opinion, but with data to back it, not hopium
@@Brian-qg8dg While as a format I don't have an issue, but there is one problem, they don't last quite like vinyl does, and I know from experience as CD suffers from disc rot. That is, the silver layer inside the discs deteriorates and becomes unplayable. Even DVD's and BD's suffer from this. I have a DVD of the 1982 movie Diner that is like that. Does not show evidence of disc rot, but it's now unplayable as the TOC is now unreadable.
What happens is there is a breach in the poly layer on the discs and the silver reflective layer deteriorates due to that breach and it's then goodby disc. Seen it happen with CDR's if left in the car and exposed to the sun while it sat off road for several months while I attempted to fix it and one day, I spotted the disc sitting in the slot below my head unit, and it was pocked with holes in the reflective layer.
Vinyl, if taken care of can last for decades or more in most cases, which is why most of us can still play that 65 year old Jazz LP to this day, with CD, you won't be able to in a few more years as the players cease to work, and no new ones made.
"It's all about the music after all, right?" EXACTLY! So no need to right or left justify anything. Your collection your decisions your hobby. I have a lot of vinyl, CDs and cassettes for what it is worth and I'm not selling. I try to play everything although cleaning vinyl is when I listen to CDs or stream. I try to play within 48 hours of purchase. I do have a small unplayed vinyl backlog, but mainly because I have not ultra sonic cleaned them. Never gonna be completely caught up most likely, but I will try.
@@johnhpalmer6098 Just a few thoughts: I’ve been collecting CDs since 1985 and have about 9,000 of them- I’ve never had an issue with disc rot/not once. That’s more humidity and temperature storage related (it’s human error not manufacture defect driven). On the other hand, the defect ratio for newer vinyl seems especially high- that’s relative to bad QC. Finally, all 4k blu-ray players, standard blu-ray players, DVD players, etc. play compact discs- no issues finding things to play CDs on. Not saying which format is best but I’m very content with my collection and would not bother changing formats at this point in the game.
@@pez7031 Just so you know, the Diner DVD was kept in a climate controlled room it's whole life and I don't have high humidity where I live, generally and it's happened to many others, not just me. I've got CD's that go back to the 80's too. Will have to check some of the oldest to see if they are OK.
But it is a real thing because digital can work, then it won't. This is more so with recordables than with commercial CD's but it can happen there too.
Not saying it's overly common, but it's a thing nonetheless.
I totally agree. I've never bought an album as an investment. For me, it's about enjoying the music.
We strive to own our personal BBC archive.
I reckon the flippers buying the Thriller 1 Step and Hendrix UHQR will get stung
Norman, when is it a mistake NOT to buy a record? I am a relatively new collector (new, but quite experienced and knowledgeable [can read labels, deadwax, pressing plants etc) and am conflicted on when it is worth it to buy a record. In short, my philosophy is that I want OG NM and above pressings of my favorite records, no reissues or duplicates, with the exception being mono and stereo for a few albums. Just the other day, I came across an original copy of Eastern Sounds by Yusef Lateef, and despite being one of my favorite Jazz records, it was not in the condition that would make me satisfied to own it for life. In other words, I knew that I would need another copy someday. Moreover, I am trying to use my money to build out my rock collection right now, which has been a slow process given how expensive some OG pressings are. However, I hope I do not regret not purchasing that Eastern Sounds because of the small chance I will ever see it again someday, and in the condition I desire. I also try and only purchase records online a couple of times a year on special occasions, or if there is something I want for extremely cheap, because I want to make this a hobby I can continue to do for the rest of my life. Is this a reasonable philosophy in your opinion? Should I have bought that Lateef record?
Just don’t sweat it. If if feel good buy it. Or not. Some people pass on records that might be of less quality and others buy them as sort of placeholders to enjoy until a better copy comes along. Then they sell or trade away the lesser copy.
Don’t stress about record buying. Just have fun with it. ✌🏼
If I gave in to fomo I'd have no room or the finances for anything but Cure stuff lol. Ok, that's a stretch, but you get my point. Being somewhat a completist is tough enough, considering how I hunt. I can't imagine having to have every blah blah blah...
I just need one copy (preferably on black vinyl) and I'm good... sometimes I go for first pressings (Beatles in mono, stuff like that), but most of the time, whatever pressing I can get hold of is fine. But I steer clear of all those modern collectibles. It's about listening to music in a way we love and adore, not about flipping money. Limited editions make no sense for records, it's just a money scam!
i paid off all my debt. payed off my property, my house, all new construction, payed off all the gear in my recording studio.... i have a garden/greenhouse and my own water well... I payed off all my credit cards, my truck, my wife's Suberu.... I own gold, silver and Bitcoin... food for 6 months... guns and ammo.... why can't i invest in my record collection? why Mazzy? why?
I suppose i should stop buying vinyl and open a McDonalds franchise? why?
Of course you can. This person doesn’t like the practice w music but I never tried stopping anyone else from doing so. This is a personal opinion piece ✌🏼
Everything is so YELLOW!!!!
I only buy records i'm going to play - unzip the shrink, plonk it on the platter and fill the world with music! (It makes me sad to see these huge, valuable collections that get bought by record stores and most of them have never been played. That's like buying an instrument and never playing it...).
As far as sealed records I agree. But then again, how many Paul McCartney 3’s do you own?!?!?
6 colored versions. But all open. Yeah that is crazy but these are different in design style so it seems I’m slightly inconsistent. My Beatles collection is different to me and I’m buying them if the musical and artistic enjoyment. Not as an investment. But of course they all will go away years from now. So I’m a temporary curator or a temporary secretary ✌🏼🤠
Yes stop investing?! In your record collection and start listening to your records,collectors,,
Great show
Thank you ✌🏼
One thing i never cared for and a lot of people i know get them all the time and thats greatest hits albums. There are some that have songs that aren't on the original albums so i have a few , but thats the only time i'll do it. And i have to like that band a lot if i do. As far as keeping them sealed, No. they are meant to be heard. '' Peace ''
Can you please explain how to read the deadwax? Thanks.
Watch some of these videos th-cam.com/play/PLunkthnkNZOjmR6R9zPM3TLMlrTnNGGHD.html
For me its not "investing" for profit and backup or the exclusive records. For me having records is a hobby. I love music, i love to look at the sleeve, the story behind it ! That is a big difference. I also enjoy the search. So now i bought a mark and clark vinyl record for only 2 euro. And it is a great album.
I just began collecting in December and haven't bought any mono records yet. If you were to recommend just 1 Beatles album in mono as a different experience what would it be?
The white album is different in mono. But maybe hard to get now ? The early albums mostly work in mono since the vocals are centered and not far left or right.
@@mazzysmusic The white album was my intro to The Beatles and always been a favorite because of that. Will take some time to figure out what the going rate is and then wait for a good copy to be a good deal. I too have FOMO'd myself into a few purchases but have found it relatively easy to be patient on most older rock bands and albums which are very available such as The Beatles. Thanks for the advise and videos!
You mean my Barry Manilow records are worthless?
Goddamn if this wasn't the most refreshing video I've seen in a long time on this topic! Wholeheartedly agree with all major points.
I just buy what I love, never though of it as an investment especially considering how many records I've come across for free. Back it the aughts there were people who were just giving them away because they took up space and they were into digital by then. I was a teenager with very little money so it was a win, funny how things change. Multiple copies are great to have to give away as gifts - I've never sold anything that I got for free or came in a purchased lot. If it turns someone on to music they've never heard before, or allows them to have a copy of a record they've always wanted - great! Live and let live!
Another thing: I've been greatly disappointed by remasters/ reissues. The biggest disappointment thus far has been Jethro Tull's Thick as a Brick remastered by Steven Wilson on vinyl. I've had an original pressing for years and it sounds great. I bought the Steven Wilson copy thinking it could be ever better, but that turned out not to be the case. It sounds flat compared to the original, all the dynamics- the light and shade have been iron out in the mix. Maybe it sounds better in digital? I don't know.
One last thing. I refuse to pay over retail for anything. Don't feed the bears! If you keep doing it they start to expect it, and become assholes you can't get rid of later on. You don't want bears in your life.
Peace! ✌
Grace and Frankie said, “You’ve got eyebrow on you mouth”!
Where do people get the $ to buy all these albums, especially those that have been in the hobby 10 years or less. Collections of say 500-5,000 albums. How do people buy and what do they allocate to the hobby? Me since the 70's, but I would really like to know, maybe a new video for how much cash collectors have spent in their collections, especially those with new pressings. Say at $20-45 an album.........are we talking $5K-30K or more?
Personally I always buy records to listen to and wouldn't care if it was worth £500 or whatever if unplayed. I have never bought a record as an investment. Sure it's nice if you did get it cheaper or you know its rare/Valuable. Like fine expensive wine, no point keeping it, enjoy life and drink it! Same with records, buy them and enjoy them. Yes, we do always suffer from FOMO occasionally but I nowadays always think, will I play and appreciate this limited edition record? If yes, then I'll buy it. As someone wrote earlier, there are people who buy limited edition/ rare records for selfish & profitable reasons, but then the real genuine people miss out. My opinion/rant over!😉
Steve Earle does a great version of the song you're singing
I hope your protective covers are made of PE in stead of PVC. 😊
I like it when people are inconsistent that’s usually where the interesting part of life is. if you’re not a little hypocritical you are probably really boring
I have over 1300 records, and growing, and not one have I purchased as an investment. Sure I may check to see what they are worth, but I collect because I am naustalgic about my music and every record I buy, I buy, t with the intention of listening to them.
Yup. For listening ✌🏼
Ha! I'm lucky that none of the records I buy go up in value. I'm also lucky that one of the artists I like are targeted for the audiophile treatment. Most of all I'm blessed by not having enough money to fork out on vinyl speculation. I'll get back to you if any of those situations change.
wait til you have to move them lol
Hi Mazzy. Great video. I buy what I like..... not for FOMO. I keep nothing sealed...... I buy music to play it. I don't like art of flipping. Buying 10 copies of something people want... making them go scarce to then come back and gouge fans. Not right. Record companies would help in eliminating flipping by opening more pressing plants and more product in the market. Just my opinion... talking as a lover of music and the beauty of holding that music item as a physical medium in your hands. God bless... thank you for another great video.
Thank you Tino 🤠✌🏼
This does not apply if you are a Robert Pollard fan
I disagree with you entirely, the good news is, so do you! Throughout this video you give caveats that completely negate your own premise. From my view, most people simply call a second copy a "back-up" until its worth so much money they sell/trade it for far more than it cost (like you did with the McCartney III) making the original copy they've kept, Free! Collecting records is fun and brings me happiness. Its just one of the aspects of free enterprise. And yes, FOMO is also part of collecting that can occasionally be anti-fun, but SONMO (Satiesfaction of Not Missing Out) having scored a preordered a highly desirable disc is a great fun feeling, too! Dealers buy multiple limited editions all the time. This idea that its "unfair" because it somehow cheats other collectors who didn't pre-order is equally ridiculous. I learned a long time ago not to be envious of others collections. Instead, I'm happy for you and what you've amassed, curated, and cared for. If you want to buy an extra copy good for you. But its really not my business. I like anything that lets owners of old recordings to know they should remaster their tapes and make those recordings for sale. If part of that means some people buy multiple copies, all the better for the record business. I enjoy your videos, and seeing what you've managed to collect, but what other people do with their money and collections is their business.
Best comment I've seen on here 👍
Totally agree, Mazzy. I buy records to listen to them. Because I love music! I have zero unopened records. In fact, I buy VERY few new records. I like digging, my favorite shops are ones that have the least amount of organization. Just crates of records.
Massy I don’t believe that RSD is designed to help independent record stores!
It’s a marketing opportunity to charge crazy prices for vinyl!
I don’t totally agree. It’s people in the stores. I’d have know problem if they Simply rehearsed these monthly whenever they were ready and buyers could frequent the stores more regularly
Norman I’d accept the point about more often that way people are going to the stores as it is it’s a mad scramble a couple of times a year! I do feel though that somewhere prices are inflated!
Stay well 👍
FOMO is advertising, if they have 5000 copies of an album and they all sellout the record company is going to reissue it - but they will do it on Black vinyl so it's nothing like the RSD version which was a million shades of happy. why anybody would listen to something in mono is ridiculous. I have that Prince "Sign 'O The Times" box set, so much filler, when they do these huge sets they are putting everything the artist thought wasn't good enough for the album, why would I think differently.