I wouldn't argue with Chris Birch, but have learned the hard way that extending the inside leg in turns where there may be stumps, rocks or roots hiding in the grass can quickly lead to injury. It's fine for open terrain like in this vid, but I have heard x pro trainers say leave that technique to the motocross guys and keep both feet on the pegs as much as possible in the woods. After transferring a nasty impact from the heel of my boot to my knee joint from a stump hidden in ground cover, I tend to agree. I enjoy these vids very much and value the great advice shared. Thanks, and keep 'em coming. BTW, if you ever come to Texas, look me up. :)
yes, i'm a bit stunned when i watch melissa ride and somehow she has that inner leg extended even on single track. i'd much prefer to just stand and leave the motocross style for more open even terrain.
That's what I've been doing wrong...too far back on the seat!!! I am brand new to this sport and that just made all to sense in the world!!! I can't wait to get back out there and put this newly acquired knowledge to use!!! Love your channel, love your incite, love your videos. Thank you :-)
THISSSSSSS! This is my favorite tips video for sure! I'll be practicing this very soon, but I have never heard of hanging the opposite buttcheek over the side. I also thought that I was supposed to keep my head/body forward but now I'll keep it straight up. I'm stoked to try it! You're the best, Mr. M!
eveRide ADV hope it's all useful mr eternallyYcycling! but the thanks must go to mr birch esquire for allowing us to pass on his hard won knowledge.... very generous when his work is coaching!
Thanks for these great videos. It amazes me how different track riding is from dirt bikes (I'm talking about sport bikes CBR,GSXR,R1 ETC). Correct technique for the dirt is called being "crossed up" on the street. You basically counter lean on the dirt. On the track you put your weight on the inside or direction you are turning foot peg, not the outside. On the street you want one butt cheek off towards the inside, opposite of the dirt. You want your upper body as low as possible, opposite of the dirt. Everything is opposite. No wonder I struggle so much in the dirt.
Nice lessons there. And for a change I already recognise and practice these techniques lol. Standing and sitting with bad knees can hurt after a while, so the use of a bump in the trail (ie erosion mound) to stand up is a great tip for broken people. Bit like a seat bounce
sapman71 with my dodgy knees i've just stayed standing, even on very tight corners. but birchy has convinced me i should incorporate the sitting too, i've had it all come together a few times it literallly slingshots the beta out of corners! the rest of the time i just drop it or head off into the bushes. :-)
I noticed how many pro riders set position of handlebars, like Graham, Chris... On 0:49 you can see how Chris set his handlebars. It goes str8 with forks. They move from the middle one position backwards, also clutch and brake lever in the middle or slightly up. And when you see Iron or Hobby class riders they all have handlebars position forward :) So I change position and in the beginning it was really hard for me to get used to, but now I have more controls, and I will never change that. Also changing body position like "deadlift" was big improvement :) Cheers
I never understood what people meant when they said to weight or push down on the outside peg until someone explained it to me differently. I got confused because it sounded like you'd be attempting to stand as you got on the gas. Heard someone explain by saying don't try to push the peg down or weight it down instead try to push the peg back like you're extending your leg to the rear axle to "weight" the rear wheel. It totally blew my mind.
At some point I'll need to redo all these old training vids and explain some of the concepts in a few different ways. It's interesting how you somtimes need a few analogies about weighting or deweighting.
So much goodness! Where to start? I guess just a big thank you for the awesome tips. You didn't mention the terrain type. You ride in areas that I ride, mainly dirt, rocks and vegetation, but did Chris mention if sand or mud you would do anything differently?
Ride AMAP that's an interesting point and a few guys asked the same thing on the forums. unfortunately we just covered as many basics as possible within two days so often didn't look at how things would change in different terrain. however, if a rider is comfortable in sand then the technique remains the same from other training vids i've watched, IF the rider is experienced... the sand can just be pushed to form a berm. chris did say if the terrain was rough or challenging then standing is better and i think this would apply to mud?
I'd like to say thank you for been a gentleman and a great teacher were getting are bike bike back tomorrow lol. bushes bearings so I can't wait to get back on the dirt. we're only pussies to you guys thank you for all your help. Jon and family.🤕
Hey, just like getting comfortable cornering in the standing and sitting position, this goes for the braking coming into the corner, too. The terrain beneath your bike should be the final judge on whether you sit or stand. Please see MXProfessor sit stand outside leg to hear his pov!
Jeffrey Torgalski yep this is just the basic nuts and bolts and i'm sure birchy would qualify some of his statements for various types of terrain and conditions.
Paul Thomas no just a handful of guys stuffing around and trying to learn this stuff. if anyone's chasing some coaching we highly recommend chris birch, quite cheap if you can get about 8 to 10 guys together. :-)
Love these videos, I noticed most of these bikes are lower in cc's. I just bought a ktm 500 exc. Do you guys think this is too much bike for cross training?
Steve Blazethat depends how far you want to go. i started on an FE570 but moved to the two stroke once i started doing pivot turns and things where i really started to feel the weight. we've done a vid about this sort of thing already: th-cam.com/video/HIdBljML-80/w-d-xo.html
My buddies think I'm a decent rider because I can wheelie for days, and I jump pretty ok for a rookie. But my deep dark secret is that I SUCK at turning. Almost every crash I have is because I couldn't turn quick enough to avoid an obstacle. 🤕
Im just extremely scared of leaning too much and low siding or the front wheel losing grip, I ride mountain bikes like I stole them but its way different.
2008 KTM Rider if road riding you'd be surrounded by good company. :-) birchy suggested just sitting for tight corners, but i guess if the terrain is very flat you could sit for faster wider corners too? but this is in a cross training context which usually means rough terrain.
I wouldn't argue with Chris Birch, but have learned the hard way that extending the inside leg in turns where there may be stumps, rocks or roots hiding in the grass can quickly lead to injury. It's fine for open terrain like in this vid, but I have heard x pro trainers say leave that technique to the motocross guys and keep both feet on the pegs as much as possible in the woods. After transferring a nasty impact from the heel of my boot to my knee joint from a stump hidden in ground cover, I tend to agree. I enjoy these vids very much and value the great advice shared. Thanks, and keep 'em coming. BTW, if you ever come to Texas, look me up. :)
yes, i'm a bit stunned when i watch melissa ride and somehow she has that inner leg extended even on single track. i'd much prefer to just stand and leave the motocross style for more open even terrain.
thanks for this tip
Finally... Something I'm already good at. Sitting down! LOL!! Thank you Mr. Morris for sharing more Birchness with us!
That's what I've been doing wrong...too far back on the seat!!! I am brand new to this sport and that just made all to sense in the world!!! I can't wait to get back out there and put this newly acquired knowledge to use!!!
Love your channel, love your incite, love your videos. Thank you :-)
THISSSSSSS! This is my favorite tips video for sure! I'll be practicing this very soon, but I have never heard of hanging the opposite buttcheek over the side. I also thought that I was supposed to keep my head/body forward but now I'll keep it straight up. I'm stoked to try it! You're the best, Mr. M!
Good video,
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eveRide ADV hope it's all useful mr eternallyYcycling! but the thanks must go to mr birch esquire for allowing us to pass on his hard won knowledge.... very generous when his work is coaching!
eveRide ADV their whole channel is amazing riding tips
eveRide ADV The but-cheek hang is the key to the universe.
Out of all the books I read and prior training I've taken, this video explains seated turns the best. Nice work!
Dmitriy Martynov thanks dmitriy, just passing on what chris birch taught us. :-)
yay more videos, back to back too, been rewatching a lot of em
Bballa11 hehe, i'm rewatching a lot of them too... easy to forget a lot of this stuff
Thanks for these great videos. It amazes me how different track riding is from dirt bikes (I'm talking about sport bikes CBR,GSXR,R1 ETC). Correct technique for the dirt is called being "crossed up" on the street. You basically counter lean on the dirt. On the track you put your weight on the inside or direction you are turning foot peg, not the outside. On the street you want one butt cheek off towards the inside, opposite of the dirt. You want your upper body as low as possible, opposite of the dirt. Everything is opposite. No wonder I struggle so much in the dirt.
lowlypawn then it becomes a mish mash of both for motard racing i guess :-)
well explained, thanks, i tried it and it works,!
Great training guide to cornering for beginners
Some great little tips there to add to your riding.
That's some great info, just what I needed, thanks guys
Nice lessons there. And for a change I already recognise and practice these techniques lol.
Standing and sitting with bad knees can hurt after a while, so the use of a bump in the trail (ie erosion mound) to stand up is a great tip for broken people. Bit like a seat bounce
sapman71 with my dodgy knees i've just stayed standing, even on very tight corners. but birchy has convinced me i should incorporate the sitting too, i've had it all come together a few times it literallly slingshots the beta out of corners! the rest of the time i just drop it or head off into the bushes. :-)
This is so help full
very informative and well put together!
You guys are awesome at what you do I love your videos there Crack up but real helpful at the same time thanks
I noticed how many pro riders set position of handlebars, like Graham, Chris... On 0:49 you can see how Chris set his handlebars. It goes str8 with forks. They move from the middle one position backwards, also clutch and brake lever in the middle or slightly up. And when you see Iron or Hobby class riders they all have handlebars position forward :) So I change position and in the beginning it was really hard for me to get used to, but now I have more controls, and I will never change that. Also changing body position like "deadlift" was big improvement :) Cheers
good to hear you are experimenting sharba.... i've settled on the 'in line' position myself.
Thanks for sharing mate, really useful!
Wow! Super video. Great information. Now i have to go practice. Why dose he have to make it look so easy...
N D he's annoying isn't he? :-)
I never understood what people meant when they said to weight or push down on the outside peg until someone explained it to me differently. I got confused because it sounded like you'd be attempting to stand as you got on the gas. Heard someone explain by saying don't try to push the peg down or weight it down instead try to push the peg back like you're extending your leg to the rear axle to "weight" the rear wheel. It totally blew my mind.
At some point I'll need to redo all these old training vids and explain some of the concepts in a few different ways. It's interesting how you somtimes need a few analogies about weighting or deweighting.
So much goodness! Where to start? I guess just a big thank you for the awesome tips. You didn't mention the terrain type. You ride in areas that I ride, mainly dirt, rocks and vegetation, but did Chris mention if sand or mud you would do anything differently?
Ride AMAP that's an interesting point and a few guys asked the same thing on the forums. unfortunately we just covered as many basics as possible within two days so often didn't look at how things would change in different terrain. however, if a rider is comfortable in sand then the technique remains the same from other training vids i've watched, IF the rider is experienced... the sand can just be pushed to form a berm. chris did say if the terrain was rough or challenging then standing is better and i think this would apply to mud?
Awesome, thanks for getting back to me.
Keep these videos up!
Top video thanks so much for sharing!
I love a good 2 stroke whipping around a corner!
Great! Tks from Portugal
I'd like to say thank you for been a gentleman and a great teacher were getting are bike bike back tomorrow lol. bushes bearings so I can't wait to get back on the dirt. we're only pussies to you guys thank you for all your help. Jon and family.🤕
we are all pussies when you look at the top riders in action john :)
Hey, just like getting comfortable cornering in the standing and sitting position, this goes for the braking coming into the corner, too. The terrain beneath your bike should be the final judge on whether you sit or stand. Please see MXProfessor sit stand outside leg to hear his pov!
Jeffrey Torgalski yep this is just the basic nuts and bolts and i'm sure birchy would qualify some of his statements for various types of terrain and conditions.
Excellent!!
Thanks for sharing mate 😉
Scott Merchant pleasure.... just passing on the wholesome birchy goodness of it all
Subscribed!
Great vid
Nice video & nice channel. Congrats
gracias alejandro 😊
2:53 Extend your "inside" front leg, dude! hahaha
as opposed to the third middle leg lol
haha, but I was referring to the blue ring's dude of video (2:54). He extends the "outer" leg.
that looked like a class, are there classes?
Paul Thomas no just a handful of guys stuffing around and trying to learn this stuff. if anyone's chasing some coaching we highly recommend chris birch, quite cheap if you can get about 8 to 10 guys together. :-)
Love these videos, I noticed most of these bikes are lower in cc's. I just bought a ktm 500 exc. Do you guys think this is too much bike for cross training?
Steve Blazethat depends how far you want to go. i started on an FE570 but moved to the two stroke once i started doing pivot turns and things where i really started to feel the weight. we've done a vid about this sort of thing already: th-cam.com/video/HIdBljML-80/w-d-xo.html
My buddies think I'm a decent rider because I can wheelie for days, and I jump pretty ok for a rookie. But my deep dark secret is that I SUCK at turning. Almost every crash I have is because I couldn't turn quick enough to avoid an obstacle. 🤕
Can you do some techniques when using a rekluse clutch ?
if you are good enough i don't see why not. it would make a lot of them harder though.
Good shiet!
What are your favorite tires?
definitely the wang chang, don th-cam.com/video/67pWcoSHy1c/w-d-xo.html
Im just extremely scared of leaning too much and low siding or the front wheel losing grip, I ride mountain bikes like I stole them but its way different.
Thief! :O
can this be done on a free ride 250r?
if you want to. you can do this on a street bike if you work at it.
lowside, but with style
Well, have i use a break or something?
SliMousCZ um, not sure if i understand the grammar and syntax on that question. could you reword that?
Sorry for my english. I mean, I have use to brake or something?
SliMousCZ stand on the foot pegs until you are almost in the corner. you can use the rear brake easily when standing.
Thanks :)
I have always cornered in the seated position, am I the only one?
2008 KTM Rider if road riding you'd be surrounded by good company. :-) birchy suggested just sitting for tight corners, but i guess if the terrain is very flat you could sit for faster wider corners too? but this is in a cross training context which usually means rough terrain.
2:54 The fuck is that guy doing?!
DownUnderDualSport he has learned the technique so fast he's opting out and going for a quick snooze i think.
look so hard