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- Director Ira Steven Behr and actress Nana Visitor join CBSN to discuss the new documentary, "What We Left Behind: Looking Back at Star Trek: Deep Space Nine."
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The best of Star Trek was DS9. We will never see a show like this with such an ensemble of great actors, characters and storylines.
Ive watched TNG, Voyager and DS9 and DS9 was by far the best.
silly boy!!! you spelled TNG wrong!!!!!!
DS9's Motto: Half as good as TNG, but still better than VOY!!!! 😉
TV is far better today than it was in the late 90´s, differently not impossible to make better trek than DS9, all it takes it the right people working on it with the right resources.
just to clarify, i to think that DS9 is the best trek we had so far.
Facts. Facts. Facts!!!!
Ill give you characters and storylines, but for me the actors was my main issue with DS9. The acting was so bad I had real trouble getting into the show at first. Nana Visitor was probably the worst of them all as she did not manage a single believable emotion in the entire show.
Nana Visitor looks freaking amazing!
Frederick Calabrese Totally, and wise as well. And Ira looks like a blue-bearded Heisenberg, but no matter. DS9 was the best of the tv franchise.
@@shawnullerup6844 Ira is trying a little too hard to look younger, I understand why, given his profession.... But he's failing.
Nana is a dancer, they are very athletic and usually age well.
definitly a BILF..... Bajoran I'd like to ****! 😉
She did. I saw it last night
@@stueygriffith4671 😅😅😅😅😅😅🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Ira looks like hes been making blue dilithium in his garage
Star Trek/Breaking Bad mashup series when? lol
lol huffing blue dilithium
I like the guy's work. But seriously. Going out in public in a fedora, custom bottle cap sunglasses and a beard that looks like Sonic's pubes. I've only seen one worse case of a late-life crisis. I'm kinda surprised he didn't insist on being interviewed while on a motorcycle.
Blue Dilithium Meth
@@paulmichaelfreedman8334 yes, that is the joke....
Nana looks great. Rob Halford looks okay too.
"Rob Halford" roflmao
Breaking the law breaking the law
I honestly thought that was pop group The Eurythmics in the thumbnail.
^So did I!
Haha nice
“Deep Space Nine really moves the dial”. So true. STAR TREK DEEP SPACE NINE did honor to Gene Roddenberry’s vision. A truly great show.
Yes, and No. I think DS9 brought a realism to the idealistic vision that was needed. Humans are good, but not _that_ good. We have a breaking point.
Actually DS9 was so good because it was the first Trek that was totally free from Roddenberrys interference (because he was already dead). TOS and TNG were held back by Roddenberrys limited vision in which the Federation is always right and his officers aboard the Enterprise are never wrong.
He created an amazing universe, yet at the same time, he didn't really understand human drama and storytelling. The writers of TNG almost rebelled against Roddenberrys stubbornness on a number of occasions. And the frustrations of writers, in part, led to the creation of DS9 in the first place.
What made DS9 so good was that they subverted so much of Roddenberrys vision of the squeaky clean Federation. There's a weird sort of racism going on the way Roddenberry wrote his alien species. Like 1 dimensional caricatures. Roddenberry simply didn't have the emotional intelligence to come up with a character like Quark. And he never would've had the balls to write a masterpiece like "In the Pale Moonlight."
Janus especially the ending of "In the Pale Monlight" when Sisko is so clearly like "You're damn right I know it's wrong and I'd still do it again anyway"
@@menthy A bit of googling will confirm that Roddenberry was aware of the DS9 concept before he died, and he did approve it. He may have been stubborn in some ways, but he was open to change.
Why is CBS not bringing this guy's back this is good stuff
What, for ribs? You cannibal!
Kakarot Lifted what a great comment man😂
Cause they focus on the writing! Not sjw agendas.
DS9 is the pinnacle of Star Trek. Thank you to the writers who gave us something truly special.
Why all the unnecessary self-flagellation? DS9 broke plenty of new ground, and what's more, it was telling a story, not just ticking boxes.
Snuggles McSquishbottom I agree. Statistically only 3-5 percent of the population are gay, so it’s not a stretch for there not to be a gay character out of 10 to 12 characters. It wasn’t necessary for the times or the story, he shouldn’t need to apologize.
@@cloudwatcher608 In terms of mere statistics that may be right; however, the reason Trek needs to highlight these things, maybe even disproportionately to any such stats, is that there is a hateful and hurtful dynamic of exclusion and oppression against that category of people. Thus, it is Trek's overriding mission to bring that to light in the way only Star Trek can. If we finally get the future Trek envisions, then maybe there won't be such a pressing need, and we can fall back on statistics.
True, although they probably feel guilty for not allowing Garak to be as his actor originally intended, which was omni-sexual. So they bring it up. Although, they did have (to my knowledge) the first same sex kiss on a trek show, between Dax and her previous host's wife. Which I thought was fairly poignant since it showed that despite Dax quite literally changing genders, her feelings for her (ex?) wife remained unchanged.
@@michaeldougherty6036 Thankfully I was able to see the documentary last night in the cinema. Ira and Co. reviewed some major thematic points that broke new ground on TV, such as war, the human cost of war, homelessness, and gender identity. While they checked off the first three boxes, they left a question mark next to the last after a short debate about whether or not their efforts deserved total recognition, no recognition, or something in between. They did of course mention the episode with Dax, but also underscored the fact that this was just one episode. They had some funny ideas about how Garak might have developed under different circumstances. Overall though, and despite the fact that they were literally checking boxes as a sort of tallying-up in retrospect, they knew that their own greatest strength was the character-centered nature of the show and its ability to have compassion for human (or alien) foibles and struggle, with or without photon torpedoes to make things more complicated. We are all already quite complicated, and that alone can make a great story.
Desperate attempt to make STD the bestest Star Trek EVER! STD is doing EVERYTHING Deep Space Nine didn't or couldn't do. 😂🤣
Maj. Kira is to this day my favorite Star Trek character of all time. Such great character development. Nana Visitor was sooooo amazing in that role.
"Not as tied to canon"??? It WAS canon! It showed that there was room for stories that could never have happened in a new planet of the week series like TOS/TNG/VGR/ENT. It boldly went where no Trek has gone before. (Well, maybe Discovery!)
I think he doesn't understand what canon means.
Yeah this guy never watched or even bothered to take a quick glance at Wikipedia.
"Formula" might have been a better word.
Sisko always was my favorite captain.
I watched the entire series last year and i loved it. I think its the best of all of them. I thought the show would be boring since it was all on a space station but i was so wrong. I never thought i would like the Ferengi but i loved all the epidodes they were in.
Yes it is an amazing series and in my opinion the best of all Star Treks. My only critique is that the first 2-3 season are kinda slow. I tell people who have never seen it to hang in there because right about when Sisco Shaves his head and grows the Goatee it gets really good.
I own all the series on dvds and I'm never get tired of it
@@Sevlar01 Yea but i sure takes off after a slow start.
Ferengi... they were originally supposed to be the 'BIG BADDIES' of TNG. now relegated to a punchline on DS9. It's a shame they wasted Wallace Shawn on the show without ONE episode of "MY DINNER WITH WHORF....." not one!
True but it didn't pick up until they got the Defiant. So ultimately, they needed a ship after all. It would have ended much sooner if it had been just restricted to the space station.
I'm in the minority in that it's probably my least favorite in the Prime franchise. I think mainly because I didn't like the Sisko character. He got off to a bad start with me by lacking the emotional intelligence to grip the concept that it was not Picard who killed his wife at Wolf 359, it was while he was Locutus after being assimilated by the Borg against his will. It would be like being angry with Anika Hansen after learning that she was once Seven of Nine after being assimilated as a child. They were victims themselves, not the willing perpetrators of Borg atrocities.
Somebody show this to Alex Kurtzman so he can see what a group of real writers look like.
And to D&D Of Game Of Thrones, too. Their writing took a cherished storyline and flushed it into the crapper.
Nana Visitor summed it up perfectly, they knew they were standing on the shoulders of greatness... S.T.D is he'll bent to destroy what came before.
@Rosamund Powell It was never overrated.
@Rosamund Powell Garak and Quark's actors were overrated? Not sure you watched the same show. :P
DS9 is the best character driven trek took chances such as the introduction of section 31.The war arc and the introduction of the founders DS9 was always interesting.The writing and acting was always on point!
Its good to look back on what was probably the last universally loved entry into the Star Trek universe (when people talk about Voyager, Enterprise, and Star Trek: Discovery, you are likely to get much more arguments on how good each show was).
@Thomas B With me, as much as I liked Enterprise, particularly the last season, the order would be :TNG, DS9, Enterprise, Voyager.... STD not even in the equation.
I just feel that DS9, particularly he Dominion War Arc, had some of the best storytelling overall, but TNG was the first new Trek after decades, so it holds that special place in my heart ^_^
@Thomas B Voyager was every dumb thing TNG was smart enough to avoid. Shame too, because the entire cast had some seriously great talent. Such a wasted opportunity.
*Garrek* helped the series a lot...
Unlike Voyager 🤣🤣🤣
Ugh. One of the best things about DS9 was how they didn't bring sex into everything. It doesn't need more sex, especially with Garak.
There were more sexual things than you would think, I went back and watched the show and Jadzia Dax was hit on by guys and then her relationship with Worf. The Risa vacation was all about sex..
And it's the only Trek series that ends up with basically everyone paired up. Sisko-Kasidy, Odo-Kira, Worf-Jadzia, Bashir-Ezri, Rom-Leeta, even Winn-Dukat. If they had written Garak as gay, it would have been no more or less "sexual" than those storylines.
I totally agree and I think that could have been Enterprise's biggest flaw.
It was the hottest Trek series alone for the fact that it starred Nana Visitor.
That's Colonel Kira Mr CBS news guy
Yes you're right. But for the purposes of introducing new audiences to what is now a 20 yr old show, I'm totally fine with calling her Major. In my opinion, its better to call a character by the title they start with than end with so the new audience members can enjoy it more.
(Game of Thrones spoiler WARNING)
Like I'd rather they call Jon Snow Jon Snow rather than, you know, his OTHER name. These interviews aren't just for us DS9 veterans. Hopefully, it's for new fans too seeing DS9 for the first time.
@@menthy Her last name was Kira, I doubt that Mr News Guy is on a first name basis with her. And even if he was, he would probably not use her title ;)
I shed a tear on that final scene when the camera zoomed out from the station starting from where Jake and Kira were standing while the solo trumpet slowly played the show theme.
And the opening theme playing at that last part too. I just watched it this morning. It breaks my heart.
Not only that, in the post-DS9 novels, the station is destroyed and another one is built in its place. It was like watching the Enterprise exploding in Star Trek III. 😢😭
I’ve loved DS9 since the beginning I’ve watched it over and over and never once thought Garak was gay.
Might have been bi, he was into Ziyal for a while but I think his appreciation of Julian was more evident.
He just seems chaste i dont get how it would be obvious i get he is a little camp but we are not in the 70s making jokes about floppy hands saying 'that means you gay'
Garack's orientation WAS pretty clear. He was in love with Ziyal.
Bisexual and pansexual people would like a word.
yea he also flirted with the doctor a ton during their little lunch dates. they debated, argued, which was noted to be a cardassian way of saying hey im attracted to you.
@@BurntRAM perhaps. When was this established about cardassians? I love the show and I never caught on to that. If so, one could argue that Gul Dukat was gay and was flirting with Ben Cisco. To be clear, I dont care if he was gay, I just think it's far reaching
@@williamstevenson4928 I'm all ears. Garack loved Ziyal and I saw no mention of other love interests of any type. I'd be ok if there were. If there is a particular episode that anyone wants to point me to, I will watch it and I will happily eat my words if I'm wrong.
@@williamstevenson4928 Maybe Bi and Pan people are straight and just don't know it. How condescending of you to try and appropriate what was clearly a straight character.
I regret not giving this show a chance sooner, I was fully on the DS9 hate train for _years_ until I was bored recently and gave it a watch. It. Is. FANTASTIC! Out of the entire Trek franchise it is consistently the most mature, well-written, and deepest series. It's a crime they didn't get a film, TNG was great but they didn't need 4 movies, I'd rather have a DS9 film any day instead of Insurrection or Nemesis
@MonkeyZorr Yeah true, I think it's because it's just so different from what we're used to and it's easy to misjudge the show. Before i _really_ sat down and watched it I'd seen only like 4 episodes (out of order and context) and hated each one. I thought the drama was boring, the Ferengi were annoying, the station was limiting etc. but once I gave it a chance from the beginning I really enjoyed it, then by I think late season 2-ish I absolutely LOVED it. I mean the best example of character development and good writing is Nog, he's like Wesley's character but done *right* , never thought a weird little scheming Ferengi would end up being one of my favorite characters in the franchise lol
Wasn't Garak in love with Ziyal?
Yes, he could have been bi but he definitely wasn't just gay
I think Ira is just steeped in SJW 'culture' and is overemphasizing it. The whole point of the Star Trek future was that NOBODY CARED, and people wouldn't wear their sexual identity on their sleeves. Being gay or whatever wouldn't be a person's driving narrative in life. It would be an extremely minor footnote at best.
Seastallion
It wouldn’t be the plot but it would be seen.
@@_robustus_
Sure, but it wouldn't be used to smack the audience in the face either.
That was my thought as well. From what I remember I don't remember anything that made me think of Garak as gay OR bisexual IMO.
Personally, I LOVE "Star Trek" because I am a big casual fan of the franchise. I also think that "Deep Space Nine" definitely enhanced the vision of the late great eminent creator, Gene Roddenberry as well.
DS9 was indeed the best Star Trek series to date. I stand by that wholeheartedly.
Deep Space 9 definitely was a more serious storytelling and the action for sure they pushed the bar. The quality in this show I think was more expensive because every area they pushed the bar and that made this show special.
Perhaps you meant to type ". . .more expansive. . ."? (You can may edit your comment with a click on the gray dots to the right. Then I will delete my annoying comment! )
For a serious character driven show it also has the best and biggest space battles ever filmed.
CBS interviewer guy, learn your Trek! DS9 was one of the most faithful spinoff Trek series to Original Trek Canon despite what the new Global
Marketing Group might be telling you.
Destiny Captain -😂😂😂 Well the original show and reboot of the next generation were about exploring space and that encounters. DS-9 didn’t do that, so in that regard they were not following canon and that’s what the interviewer was talking about. Ira even said that..... watch the video again please.
I loved that the minor characters had more progression that some of the major characters of the other st shows.
With Sisko lost, this show does need some kind of resolution. I mean, there was that episode where Sisko goes out of phase or something, disappears, and Jake spends his life trying to find him and bring him back. The whole point of that was that Jake needed his father. So how does the show end? With Sisko sacrificing himself to stop Dukat and the Pah Wraiths. I'd love to see another series of this show.
Well, I think the circumstances and timing of Sisko's "deaths" matter here. Gimme a break if I remember some details wrong, though; it's been awhile since I watched these episodes, but they're two of my favorites from the series lol.
In the first instance, Sisko's death is a tragic and untimely accident that Jake feels is his fault. It's only when he learns his father isn't truly dead but lost that Jake becomes obsessed with undoing the accident. Otherwise, we see him live the mostly full life of a successful author and family man IIRC. It's only later in his life does he forsake all that to save his father.
In contrast, Sisko's "death" at the final battle with Dukat and the Pah Wraiths wouldn't affect Jake the same way because he didn't play any role in the way events unfolded. Unless Jake feels after the final episode that Sisko sacrificed himself just for his son and not the entire Alpha Quadrant, then he shouldn't experience the same feelings of survivor's guilt he struggled to overcome associated with the previous story.
I think the point of that first episode was to really show just how Jake could get on in the absence of his father, but the future gets all muddled because of Sisko's occasional ghostly appearances. I interpret that as basically what Jake's future has in store for him following the series finale, save for any parts influenced by Sisko's ghost.
@@wuboAF I'd suggest not reading any of the DS9 novels. Avery Brooks was adamant that Sisko not become the stereo-typical "black absent father". It was at his insistence that Sisko's sacrifice was not a death, but a transition from which he would return. Although it was left open ended as to when that would be. For whatever reason, the novels immediately throw all that away. He comes back and not only abandons Bajor, but his wife and newborn son in order to go fly around as a Starship captain. I hope that particular novel is never accepted as canon.
@@michaeldougherty6036 Yes I can agree with you about that but please do read the Garak novel written by Garaks actor himself. Excellent deep dive on my favorite character Garak. And totally consistent with the established canon
The point was Jake WASN'T alone. This was after 7 seasons of building these characters forced to settle this frontier together, to a family that could stand with Jake when his father made his sacrifice. That was the point. DS9 was now a family.
I actually didn’t care for this show when it first started but it quickly become one of my favorites. It’s honestly a brilliant series.
CCJJ160Channels -I never liked it. It was a soap opera whereas the others were adventure shows.
Lisa A Johnson - each his own, l guess. But the last four seasons of the show were pretty well all action.
One of my fondest memories as a teenager was watching ds9 it was my favorite Trek series from day one. This makes me want to binge watch it all over again.
Whao, Nana looks better than ever! Amazing lady. :-)
steelrat100 yeah and thats her real hair color too
Star Trek: Deep Space Nine is the best Star Trek show and my favorite Star Trek show!!
I rank it equally alongside TNG. Both are great shows but for different reasons with different styles and approaches.
Wow‼That's awesome Captain Nog being shot at by a cloaked ship goes through the wormhole and the station is in front of him. I'm in.....sign me up....☺👍
I wanna know why the Defiant is still in operation 20 years after the Dominion war. Surely Starfleet could've given Cpt. Nog something newer 😅
I feel like Big would have asked for the defiant.
@@wuboAF That's funny😂😂 but you're right
Some laser pew pew so let's escape to the station ... I thought this was rather bland. At least they could have placed Kira into the Captain's seat kicking the cloaked ship's behind using guerilla tactics.
I thought ships had to decloak to use energy weapons...
Garak was gay? Did I miss something? His only romance on the show was with Ziyal. Can't wait to see this documentary.
MY THOUGHTS EXACTLY! 🤣🖖
If you watch the first episode he appears in (either Past Prologue or the one after), he came off a little too flirtatious with Doctor Bashir to the Paramount execs. I think the story goes Andrew Robinson was trying to portray Garak as a “pan-sexual” and the execs said no way. Now that you mention Ziyal, I think it gives that side of Garak another interesting layer that they could’ve explored.
He didn't have a romance with Ziyal at all. He turned her down and never showed any interest in her past a big brother or even surrogate dad complex. Garak was 100% coded gay and fans have been recognizing this for ages.
I think it's the classic assuming a guy is gay because they are flamboyant, and Garak was certainly flamboyant.
@@Drownedinblood It's a little bit more than that. He is flamboyant in a certain respect but he has a particularly flirtatious relationship with Bashir, has no apparent attraction to women throughout the show, and is written and performed with a very particular affect in his dialogue and behavior that is pretty specific gay coding.
This is my Avengers Endgame.
And better!!!!!
I really want a movie or a special where all of the character from the TNG-VOY timelines get together to fight some sort of badguy.
Amen.
I really like when the interviewer actually is a actual fan or has done really good research for a quick interview:)
rewatching DS9 as we speak!
I have been too. On the last season.
It’s wonderful that teens are getting to experience this show again. It’s such a wonderful part of my youth.
Love, love, love DS9. The only loose end, however, was that Bajor wasn't admitted to the Federation. That was supposed to be the premise of the show.
Garak wasn't gay, he was just friendly.
Don't you know? Every other person you meet now is gay....Like this Ira guy
Not gay at all. I've watched every episode. He fell in love with gul dukats daughter for crying out loud. Idk what they're talking about.
I have too, ive seen most of them when they originally first aired and several times after that. Garak was just an exiled and lonely Cardassian looking for friendship, not sexual. I never even thought of that concept until I saw this clip. Lies.
@@toddstewart9070I can't believe they're lying. I know jadzia dax can be mistaken as lesbian, but thats only because she was a man before. When he transferred to a Trill female body he who is now she displayed actraction primarily or entirely to men. Only in that one episode did she kisss her(his) former wife when she was male. After that they departed to never see each other ever again. Dax went back to being a normal straight woman. She was only making up for the past, not because she was gay even though she was warned not to get close again for it not to appear unnatural.
Ds9 was a great show, but besides that one case with dax and the major of the mirriorverse, gerak wasn't even close to gay.
Beautifully made documentary. I was a PA on seasons 3 & 4 and I thought this was great! Made me tear up several times, actually. Great people, great show! Long live DS9!
All that needs to be said is DS9 is brilliant...
"Plain, simple Garak" was simply a charming, flirtatious, and flamboyant single man who just happened to be a fashion designer who owned a clothing shop. Nothing gay at all.
D Dixon Totally not 😂
Ziyal and another woman from his past he was linked with did way more to imply he was straight vs bi.
There is many single straight men that either love hookers and/or one night stands.
He also was not flamboyant I have seen gay men who were flamboyant and you wouldnt even notice Garak was in the room compared to many of them.
If the show really wanted to imply he was bi I think they could of done a lot better.
@@DanRaidersWarriorsSharksGiants , right? He was kinda a watered down gay stereotype except for the loving women.
@@jwhippet8313 Some people make it sound like he was so obviously gay/bi even people who worked on DS9 say that and I am a DS9 fan and I think the bar was sooo low to say that.
I never thought he was bi the only characters who were implied to be bi or gay were the mirror Kira and her 2 lesbian lovers from what I remember.That was clearly implying a character as gay.
With Garak if he was bi it was too watered down it should of been more obvious than it was.Some straight men ice skate and cut hair and make clothing for men/women even today.
Some straight men always come off as single too and dont talk about or show their romantic/sexual life.
I am just saying the writing in this one way was not good enough if he was openly bi as some say he was and felt everyone knew or should know.
I dont think I am blind the mirror Kira was clearly bi.The writers did a better job with her.
:D
It was very tied to canon, it just told a different kind of story. It didn't rewrite canon like a certain new Star Trek.
I was in college while this was on and had no time for TV shows, but love Trek. So it’s nice to watch it with out waiting for the next episode and seasons were not 10-15 episodes, but 20-26+ episodes a season.
The series needs to be remastered to *HD NOW*
might aswell be 4k now
I saw the documentary last night is Brooklyn. I absolutely loved it. It reinvigorated my boyhood love for 1990s Star Trek. The doc was funny, moving, honest, and inspiring. A joy to share with the audience. It also felt like a not so subtle pitch to the network for an eighth season. I seriously hope to the Lords of Television that DS9 Season 8 becomes a reality.
Nana Visiter still beautiful!
Yes!
Everyone seems to be pronouncing Nana Visitors first name as NA NA. I always thought it was one word Nana. Why have I never noticed this before.
Loved the show but I disagree with most people in the comments section. I don’t want to see the series revived. Seeing what has been done with Star Trek Discovery and the Star Wars movies, I can only imagine that they would ruin something that was once great.
Joe McOmber Totally agree. I never understood this fetish people have for bringing things back. DS9 is perfect the way it is.
At first glance, the thumbnail for this video made me thought "Oh it's the Eurythmics!"
Me too
Sweet dreams are made of DS9. 😎😉
@@Mike19737 Who am I, the Emissary?
@@redshirtveteran5688 I travel the wormhole
And the seven prophets 😂😉
I guess everyone IS looking for something. 😉
I would love to see DS9 comeback, I loved it.
The thing that resonated with a lot of people myself included was how much DS9 portrayed humans realistically, flaws as well as strengths. Roddenberry dreamed of a future where humans had built a paradise with no conflicts nor any reason for them, because he grew up in a world of global economic depressions and world-spanning wars killing millions, and hoped for no more of that. The problem is that such a perfect paradise can’t be built on a foundation of flawed, imperfect humans, and so he had to imagine that out of our imperfections we’d be able to create perfection. Therefore, in all of the Star Trek shows all the characters were practically perfect, wise, calm, even when making mistakes the consequences were minimized and any conflict was resolved in an hour when they sailed off to the next story. DS9 dared to show real, flawed, hurt and scarred humans, who had to live with the consequences of their decisions and mistakes, without the opportunity to sail blithely away from them. The fans who believed in Roddenberry’s dream that we could perfect ourselves hated the idea that we couldn’t become perfect by our actions, which DS9 showed week after week. Those of us who have lived long enough to understand the good and bad of humans appreciated seeing the struggles the DS9 characters went through, trying to do their best in situations that they often had no control over, but which they still had to experience and find solutions to problems that sometimes didn’t work or even made worse. The quality of writing and production, and the skill of the actors to understand their characters and show us their lives also drew me and others to appreciate the show. I consider DS9 the best of both the flawed real world, with it’s imperfect characters, and the unattainable but much-desired dream of Roddenberry for a better future.
Yup this is the same reason why I regard DS9 as the best trek. DS9 had the balls to subvert Roddenberrys vision, for the sake of story rather than the dogma and doctrine which forbade the Federation from having any flaws whatsoever.
The way I look at it, TOS and TNG are for idealists. DS9 is for realists. And I'm sorry if I offend someone, but I feel like DS9 is more appreciated by an emotionally mature audience that has some life experience under its belt.
Janus My favorite scene in DS9 was when Sisko confronted the Maquis officer, discussing why the officer defected to the Maquis (I forget his name). That back-and-forth really spelled out the differences in world view, between the collectivist “paradise” of the Federation being Borg-like in bringing cultures In but never letting them go, and the self-determining individualism of the Maquis who want no part of it. Powerful writing.
why didn't they hire Steven Behr that genius MF is obviously alive and kicking, instead of Alex Kurtzmann who knows nothing about Star Trek, his show STD has no characters, no good stories and just CGI's.
Discovery is great man :) Maybe you should give it a fair chance instead of looking at it with those negative goggles on ;)
Also, ironically what you said is EXACTLY what 'fans' said about DS9 back in the day, and boy where they wrong :)
@@denniswijker7162 I grew up with TOS. I thought TNG was too tame compared to TOS, but it was still Star Trek. I used watch Voyager and DS9 when I had the chance. First time I saw the JJ Arbrams movie I turned it off and left in disgust thinking this is not Star Trek. Discovery is really JJ Abrahams Trek it's not real Star Trek. The Orville is made by real Star Trek people which is why most Trek fans like it. STD is completely different, from Enterprise, Voyager, DS9, TNG, and TOS. Its obvious that Alex Kurtzmann has not watched any Star Trek.
Love TNG, it was the point of the spear to ST glory. But DS9 was a masterpiece, best show in the entire franchise. For TNG I was too young, got it later, but DS9 get me in my teenage years and was my ST, from the first episode I didn't miss anyone. Still the only I revisited from time to time.
I would love to see this show back on tv...one of my favorite star trek shows
Loved the show. Loved the cast. Would love to see it return!
Nana I loved your laugh. It was very infectious. Especially the scene where Kira and Gul Dukat are in the cave. Dukat-" I sat on something...I sat on something.....It already hurts major just pull it out." Then Kira loses it. And Then the episode where Julian Miles and Jadzia fly into wormhole and miniaturize.
Cbs should stop to push STD crap... DS9 is amaaaaazing.... captain Nog all the time!!! Colonel Kira.... :)
The DS9 episode The Visitor had me in tears and really Effed with me emotionally. That episode should have won numerous awards. If you have not yet seen it I would strongly advise that you do and have a box of Kleenex handy just in case someone is dicing onions near by.
michael parker “to my father, who’s coming home “ 😭
He called her Major Nerys, clearly the host wasn’t a fan of the show personally lol
He probably never watched an episode of Trek in his life and just got told to do this interview by his corporate overlords at CBS.
Perhaps someone should show the interviewer the scene from TNG "Ensign Ro" where Ro corrects Picard about Bajoran names.
I grew up in the 80s and regretfully never watched TNG or DS9 in the 90s. About a year ago I binged every single series and by far DS9 was my favorite. Between the action and drama it was such a well written well executed show!
"DS9 has sort of a cult right now"
No, that was 25 years ago.
Today it is being reevaluated as a classic series.
CBS should really consider making a DS9 TV movie with all the special effects of a typical blockbuster SCI movie. Based on the reception which im sure will be through the roof, they should get the green light for a series, even if only for a limited run. This show was better then what we gave it credit for back then.
I would love to see Sisko and Co back on Star Trek. Great show, great cast. Shame it had to end. After watching the interview with Ira and Nana. I can say for sure I was hooked from ep one.
Beautiful nana visitor, what a smile. Gave everything she had on DS9. I binge watch the box set now and again. My no1 in star trek series. Nana lookes like she would do another 5 series no probs, brilliant actor along with an immense cast.
You didn't get a weird vibe off of her? 10-1, that chick has Borderline personality disorder...
It's *_very_* common among actresses, followed closely by Bipolar disorder.
@@supportingfire im not sure to be honest, i think she is just a happy person alot of the time, aged obviously, who knows what shes been doing since DS9 ended, i see traits of a really good actor in her, and she looks good for her age, borderline personality disorder / bi polar im not an expert on that, but i dont no any evidence to say she has it, i respect your opinion and the only thing i would say is this, she may be on some sort of medication, a slight hint of that comes through.
Without a doubt the best written of all the Trek series. Whereas as good as they were, the other series were of the"return to status quo by the end of the episode" variety. DS9 had lasting consequences built into every episode. ALL of the characters that we see by the end of the series are VERY different people from who they were at the beginning. They all go through life altering(or life ending) changes and growth. And Sisko is hands down the most badass captain in Starfleet history. Love all of Trek, excluding the abomination that is STD, but DS9 is my favorite.
Two best lines in DS9:
"It's REAL!"
"It's a FAKE!"
DS9 was probably the most tied to cannon. "Trials and Tribulations", for example.
And the Mirror episodes. Plus, the duplicate Cmdr. Riker from TNG popped up in DS9. Heck, Chief O'Brien and Lt.Cmdr. Worf came over to DS9. CBS is just trying to make it seem like they've been departing from cannon drastically way before they started doing it with Discovery. We all see through their BS. They need to stop it, but we all know they won't. They just have to jack it up.
@@tachyontee3877 I completely agree. Really, DS9 was more of a sequel to Next-gen than is was a Spinoff. The Bajoran/Cardassian conflict, the center piece of the show, all started on Next-gen. Same with the Maquis.
Star Trek: Babylon 5 was my favorite Star Trek series.
I loved how DS9 by it's very nature deconstructed Star Trek as we knew it at the time, but still come out on top at the end of each episode reinforcing the ideals and vision that Roddenberry was trying to shoot for.
Kira's fiery debut in the first episode left the biggest impression on me at the time it aired. Up to that point, the women of Star Trek were basically variations of Troi and Crusher. Ro Laren began the rebellious shift (who funnily enough, was originally supposed to be in DS9 before they had to create Kira), but Nana's first scene just wowed me, in the way that she portrayed the character as both aggressive but sympathetic, heartfelt but still take no prisoners. Just a solid addition to the Star Trek library of characters. Blew me away.
I wish they would upgrade the quality of picture on it, to current standards, because to me DS9 is the best Star Trek series out there.
Absolutely love DS9. It would be amazing to see a sequel series to DS9 all these years later
The absurd canon question must have come from CBS head honchos.
just so they could plug disco on all access
Yep. Bad form.
66-05 - yeah, that question was pretty awkward when presented. At no point during its run, that I recall, did DS9 violate canon or in-universe “rules”. This really seems like a plant to justify the deep, extreme, and highly detrimental violations of canon perpetrated by STD.
“Hey, guys! See? One of the best examples of Star Trek played fast and loose with canon so it’s a-ok for one of the worst to do the same!”
Ira wasn’t playing that game.
the interviewer didn't do much research
Rest In Peace Aron Eisenberg. We’ll forever love you as our dear Nog.
Great writing, that's what you left behind.
My senior of high school I binged the final ten episodes of DS9 in one day. That day it became my favorite Trek show. Awesome experience.
2:32
What?
Because it wasn’t tied to canon?
How did this guy, get this interview?
Watching this doc is going to be so hard since Aron and Rene passed
Thank the prophets we didn't have identity and gender politics in DS9.
Deep space 9 is life and poetry in motion. always have a ship named DEFIANT
Did Heisenberg quit making meth and become a director?
DS9 Crew I love you all. Much Respect to all of the crew. Watch the show on a weekly basis.
How to push a narritive.
Good to see DS9 getting some attention. I am confident that unlike other people that have had their shot Ira Steven Behr would be able to create a new Star Trek show that would be both successful as well as faithful to the values of Star Trek.
Oh yeah right, of course Garek was gay. Please stop pandering. Intelligent sci-fi fans despise that crap.
Saw it last night. About 12 people in the whole theatre. I forgot just how many characters were on DS9. It made me wish I could see the ideas Ira and the other writers came up with for the 1st episode of season 8.....only if!
Pretty obvious I am pansexual. I wish I could have expressed my feelings towards Bashir.
you did when you told him to take that rod and eat it
@@NitpickingNerd unfortunately he ever ate it though
I can never understand this whole take on "we must have a gay person or a trans in this show or movie", it's not something to be forced and thrown about like a cheap line for public backing across all sectors, it's mainly down to SJWs/Politics screaming their face off for attention.
What ever happened to just focusing on the story these days and not caring about trying to fit in a specific type/gender as if it's some check box. That is one thing they done very well with in the 90s, focusing on pure story and character development and not letting politics spill it's guts into the movie sector the way it does these days.
Having this whole "check box" mentality over story just destroys movies.
Best trek series !!! Wish they would do a trek series picking up after ds9 ... stop with all this pre-qual b.s. !!!
Bird up!
Maybe 🐇maybe ....................
I just felt a little bit of heartbreak seeing their opening scene vision and knowing Aaron Eisenberg who played Nog just passed away :(
Garak? WTF? He's retconning like Rowling.
First of all, I'm morally against homosexuality. Second of all, both Rowling and the DS9 creators are not retconning these things. If you look at what the respective creators said earlier on, it's obvious these things were intended. With that said, despite any intents, each of these things are not a compliment to homosexuality.
Garak was a bisexual I guess, lol.
@@Krshwunk, I mean, I'm morally against consigning myself to a life of celibacy just because I'm into other women, but I gotta say, kudos to you for being honest about that. Most who opposed these characters having these facets would _love_ to pretend it was a retcon, but unlike most anti-gay people I've met, you appear unwilling to twist facts into falsehoods to promote your agenda. Good on you mate, and live long and prosper! 🖖💜
@@AshtonCoolman, the actor portrayed him as "omnisexual", which today would be called "pansexual", but yeah, pretty much. He likes dudes, he likes ladies, he likes people who are neither dudes nor ladies. He might even get all hot and bothered with a Tholian, and yes that terrible joke was entirely on purpose.
@@DissociatedWomenIncorporated Thank you. Peace and long life.
I watched What We Left Behind last night. OMG! Amazing. DS9 was definitely not appreciated at the time. I watched it all again a few months ago and I was blown away; so ahead of its time.
The season 8 pilot they create in What We Left Behind was amazing.
Bring DS9 back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm just going to say it, CBS please bring back Deep Space Nine
So when can we expect to see the Deep Space Nine Film?
This interviewer has never seen an episode of DS9.
I miss this show. DS9 I think was the first star trek to show massive battles. Showing more then 3 ships at once. The story lines were great with plenty of twist and surprised plots. I think it could have been on for a couple of years.
We need DS9 season 8......NEED not want...
I would have so loved seeing captain Nog. 😭
Ugg. I look back to shows like this and think "Ahh, the days where progressive ideas were shown properly. Not shoved down our throats." Them? "If we could do the series now, we would shove an agenda down peoples throats like you wouldn't believe!".
CBS "Trek" is cancer. I loved DS9, and other 90's Treks. I'm glad that aren't ruining DS9s legacy with another season. To bad for Picard though...
DarkAkuma Amen!
Ira is an SJW
Saw it tonight. It was amazing
Look at CBS trying to force the idea DS9 wasn't canon to validate the awful mess disco is....
DS9 honored canon more than TNG....
CBS is wrong for this and they know it. But hey, you know...muh social justice and all that jazz.
Gene Roddenberry originally avoided talk about religion like the plague, but DS9 plunged headlong into it. And it's best scene ever was when Quark was talking to Garak, comparing the federation to root beer.🖖
Didn't Quark say that to Damar