My hot take is Hakeem Olajuwon is heavily underrated and arguably the 2nd best center of all time. He was unstoppable on offence and a menace on the defense with how many blocks he racked up through his career. Also retired top 10 in blocks, points, rebounds, and steals. The only person to ever do this by the way.
Hot take: If Jxmy was given a chance to present his well thought out opinions on a platform like ESPN he would definitely change the perspective a lot of people having bad takes
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my hot take: fred vanvleet is one of the most improved/underrated players ever. dude went from undrafted, g league, winning a g league ring, called up, winning a ring and is now fighting for a playoff spot while playing at an all star level on a nightly basis
I think it should be changed to Fred being the most underrated/ slept on NBA player ever. Fred always knew he could ball. He just needed a stage to show it. Yes he got better, but that’s what NBA players are expected to do. If he was hot garbage, like a high school bench warmer becoming an NBA allstar, then I’d say most improved. But Fred was a stud in highschool and college so he didn’t really make a drastic improvement. He was just slept on by all the scouts.
"He's not that good, he just did something no one else on Earth has done before and made the game change all around". What even does "good" mean to these people?
I was gonna say something about staying in the mean of what every other point guard did in the past, but that is literally the opposite of great. So Idk they're delusional i guess
My issue with Curry is how much of his value comes from his 3 point shooting? Is he an all time great? Yes. Is he a current great? Yes. My issue is if he wasn't as good at 3 point shooting (or in a massive slump like he is right now), how effective is he really? Can he be a solid point guard and run an offense? I think so. The thing is I just don't see him just running the offense that often. Granted I don't watch every single Warriors game. I'd like some honest and intelligent feedback on that from someone who actually knows basketball.
Hot Take: Players should be allowed to show more emotion like in the 2000s or before, I hate seeing bs technical fouls for yelling and1 or a small taunt or stare or just throwing the ball a little too hard to the refs. These new refs suck. Call the travels instead
Hot take:Michael Jordan wasn't actually that good he was just able to score, assist, rebound, steal, make his teammates play better and win a repeat three peat like he was kinda average
Hot Take: They need to fix or get rid of the NBA skill challenges. It just literally comes down to who can hit the three first none of the other skills are in display. I would get rid of the skill challenges and have one on one king of the hill style contest. Everyone want to see their favorite player go one on one with each other. Dunk contest needs ten judges or anonymous voting. Plus bring in non nba players to complete since there are tons of talent dunkers outside the nba.
@@sonny4978 nba players don’t wanna play 1v1 on the spotlight.... a bad game and they will be laughingstock ... look at Brandon Knight vs Kyrie... mini 1v1 and he still can’t live it down .... it’s also why Lebron & other stars never did the dunk contest .... failing = social media mockery for next 10 years
8:45 Notice how Larry Bird had just as many all defensive teams as Kobe (granted Kobe was on 1st team on 1 of those 3 all defensive teams while Bird was 2nd team on all 3) and more than Shaq during their 9th season? People really sleep on Bird defensively.
Hot take: to say a great player would dominate or being trash in another era different than his is not a good or realistic point. Every player modeled and played the game according to their time.
Hot take: Jokic is the best player in the league right now and if he continues to accomplish great thing he can become top 20 all time and top 5 centers all time
@@choopdabloon6315 plus he has everything a person wants. He is like a MyPlayer in 2K. He can shoot, rebound, pass like Steve Nash, he has an amazing footwork plus he is leading the Nuggets to a 6th seed without Jamal and MPJ. Nuggets are top 5 in the league when he is on the court but when he goes to bench they are the worst team. People underestimate Jokic and he is so underrated. No one is giving him the attention he deserves...
Hot take: Ron artest was on the road to having a great career if it weren’t for the Malace at the palace and his temper. Before the incident he was starting to become a great player and was arguably top 3 defensively in 03. I think he would be a premier player in the league if it weren’t for the malice at the palice.
Was a ticket holder that season for indy. He was looking like an mvp! For.. what.... 7 games? It's a shame we didn't get to see what that team was capable of. I'm still not over it. :p
Hot take: We are about to enter one of the greatest nba eras of all time. We have a lot of promising young talent and even if just 70% of that promise comes true the league might just be as loaded as it was in the 90s. Ja, Trae, Doncic, and this 2020 draft class are so full of potential it's amazing
@@LookingForAName... okay well idk really how to say it but the nba is way more talented right now but not as competitive like the players are better but theres a lot more of them that dont have that killer mentality when it comes to winning
@@htownblack9184 Yup, I agree with that. Needless aggression and contact doesn't make the sport better. I want to see a good display of skills, I don't care about handchecking or grown men getting super angry over a ball game. As long as they're playing to win, which most are, I'm good.
Muggsy Bogues isn't just a short guy, he was one of the most fundamentally sound and skillful players to enter to league. Not that he could have been an all-time player necessarily but his skill is up there for top 50 and was an above average player
Yeah, dude literally held 3 franchise records for the charlotte hornets when he retired, and still holds 2, for steals and assists (other one was minutes but kemba walker broke that)
@@zaydelbash1580 well he hasn't really done much yet in his career. One chip with LeBron and what else. Not a bad player by any means but top 75? Probably not
@@isaiahmesina4544 saying this like Lillard isn’t right there and a whole bunch of other players like do y’all be hearing yourselves talk when y’all talk hoops?
My hot take is that it is absolutely pointless trying to find a GOAT. You cannot objectively compare people from different eras and who played different positions, who impacted the game in different ways, whose championships, MVPs, All-NBA Selections don't hold the same weight to everyone. It's impossible to agree on what is more valuable. One might say that all accolades are valuable yes, but you will always put some over others. Sane for stats No matter how you slice the argument, you cannot find an objective answer.
Don't forget the rules are different; the style are different (NBA slowly and slowly changed from favouring defense to favouring offense); and even the court itself are different (They have widened the paint like 2 times already). If MJ is going back into Wilt's time, there's no guarantee he's going to be the GOAT, because the style and expectations was different back then. He might not get the development needed to be so great, just because being a guard back then was literally hell.
counterpoint: Gretzky and Brady are clear goats in their sport. Baseball and basketball its much tougher, but even in basketball it really comes down to two players, I've never seen any GOAT arguments include anyone else besides Jordan and James. Like yeah Shaq, Duncan, Abdul-Jabbar, Chamberlain, Bird, Kobe were cool, but no one is claiming they're the best ever.
@@csanadhorvath I don't know anything about American Football, Hockey or Baseball so I won't venture there What I will say, and this applies to Soccer too, is that I think this duel at the top is really enhanced by the media machines who make it feel like it could only be one of these two
An argument could be made that Tim Duncan was every bit as important to the Spurs as Kobe was to the Lakers, but let's be honest, Duncan wasn't exactly flashy. There was a lot to admire about his game and his relentless fundamentals, but who would you rather watch in a game? Popularity is a factor in these decisions, even when it doesn't deserve to be.
@@eg_space In the two seasons that the Lakers won the finals with Kobe and Pau, the supporting cast was solid. They had Bynum, Odom and Metta World Peace, who were all very solid players in their areas of expertise. Having a lot of skilled role players can be just as valuable as having multiple all stars. Just ask Jordan and Pippen.
Hot take: James Harden would’ve had more success had he gone to Philly instead of the Nets. Harden feeding Joel Embiid the same way he set up Capela(their beef aside) would be insane. Defences would be torn on how to defend hardens isolations on the perimeter and Embiid’s post presence.
Hot take on your Hot take: Nets would be more successful if they haven't traded for Harden. Yes they were hit with injuries but part of the reason they had injuries is because they didn't have depth (and Harden gaining and losing weight extremely fast didn't help either) i don't think they would have as many injury problems if they didn't go through with the trade
Embiid isn't a lob threat to the extend of capella embiid is big strong and SKILLED capella cuts and jumps higher not saying embiid cant catch a lob or thay harden couldn't work with him but embiid isn't a pick qnd roll guy he's q iso post up guy and even when he does pick and roll most times he gets the ball far before oop territory
@@hoppy23 Are you serioussly judging how good a big man is solely based on how good they are at alley oops? That is maybe the most casual fan thing I have ever heard. Embiid and Harden would be a good duo regardless of how good they are at alley oops.
@@Zond3r kd was one toenail away from putting himself in the goat conversation, he still is in that conversation to me but on my mama if kd wins the ring last year some people would open up there eyes and see his basketball skill far out weighs lebrons lebron certainly a better leader and passer but kd legit has more moves and is more efficient shooting and creating his own shot kd deserves his respect but I fear he won't get it and I don't see why NO ONE COULD WIN WITH RUSS westbrook at pg most games westbrook would shoot more then kd just to prove he was alpha, kd isn't as much of a leader or talked bjt whay he is is a basketball genius he's a 6"11 kyrie Irving with a softer jump shot, I have yet to find anyone to agree but kd is just as if not better then lebron, and him joining golden state And creating the first unbeatable team maybe ever should be looked as a positive not a negative plenty of stars have tried to become unstoppable and make super teams yall Mad at kd bc his game is so flawless he can actually make playing with the stars work and be unstoppable I promise if the heat went 4-0 lebron would get even more hate then he does now bc everyone would be like yea of course he won he joined ip on d wade and bosh made a super team but bc they lost the narrative changes, kd never lost once he was squaded up and healthy
Hot take: the finals mvp should be removed, there should just be a post season mvp, so it shows how you contributed throughout your way to a championship not just in the finals.
@@daythenite5683 sorry bro, no way he deserved it over Shaq. Many other years yeah, but Shaq’s prime… sheeessshhh. But if that’s your hot take then it’s definitely hot lol
Too many variables for this to work. If the best player throughout the playoffs gets hurt game 1 of the Finals and dosent return, but his team still wins it all, then what?
Hot take: We never saw Derrick Rose in his prime. His career changing injury happened when he was 25 I believe; and most players don’t reach their prime until 27.
The tragic thing is that he would've probably gotten injured later in his career. Players that are that athletic and constantly lands on 1 foot will eventually come down on an ankle or knee injury
Hot take: if theres one player ahead of giannis that is under 30 and a potential future top 5 all time it’s Luka. Man is putting up these numbers at 23, he still will improve over the next 4 years before he hits his prime. The longevity of his game will allow that prime to last many years
I wonder how many rings Luka, Jokic, Embiid and Giannis will finish their careers with. Presumeably the second half of the 2020s will be a tossup between them for titles.
@@gm2407 Embiid is almost 30 already so he probably has like 3-8 good years left and he is quite injury prone but will most likely have 1-3 rings Giannis probably will have 2-4 rings and Luka will have at least 1
Not even a bad take he one of the best when he came in 91 if he came out of Russia earlier he probably could've been at least a 2x champion in 90/91 (they really needed him)
Hot take: NBA fans live too in the moment. When a once great player falls off, they downplay their prior achievements and when a player blows up they take it too far. Inversely , on the other end of the spectrum some fans are stagnant and believe the players of today cant hold a candle to the past. eg Giannis Also LaMelo has a bright future, but is currently overrated. 😁
I do have to disagree with your Giannis take somewhat, imo, he's one of two players under 30, currently in the NBA that has the potential to be top 5 all time, and the other one is Luka, obviously, its wayyyy too early to tell for him, but i think that's his ceiling
@Max most players decline because their athletic ability declines but lukas playstyle is so nonchalant and crafty that athleticism dropping won’t really effect him. also he isn’t gonna be prone to injury bc of his playstyle as well
I kinda agree with both but it's just so early to say that one of them will end up top 10 or top 5. Only time will tell where they will rank all time but they do have a chance to rank really high on the all time list
I feel like theres a lot of truth in that. But at the end of the day they were just filling a role in the team. If your the best and a great scorer, why not take full advantage?
I do agree with this to some degree, but the bulls players even believed that MJ made the team different. But on the other hand, it makes sense that this would be true.
@@almightyyeezydab5149 Kobe could score from anywhere on the floor LeBron is also great but not a pure shooter and has improved over time and Kobe made his free throws
but Steph isn't good, he's just good at shooting. but when he doesn't have the ball...he's only able to create space to catch and shoot, or force a double team on himself to give an assist, or to make the guys around him better. but he isn't that good
"He isn't good, he can just shoot, collapse the defense for the open man, one of the leading pgs in steals..etc etc, but he's just not good" like what💀
Bro it’s not even hate but let’s be real the main reason why people think Curry so good and the reason for all his success and why people love him is mainly bc of one thing.. his shooting ability. If you take away his shooting and keep everything else the same he wouldn’t be nearly as effective and wouldn’t be an all time great.
Hot take: if the nets kept allen, lavert dinwiddie, and the crew without trading them for harden or pursuing his contract, the nets would be a lot better. More depth and more squad game. My opinion
Not a hot take. Especially keeping Allen. Granted, the Kylie vax, harden exiting his prime and wanting to possibly leave makes this take not hot whatsoever in hind sight but there are still people who swear up and down they’ll just figure it out and flip a switch and dominate.
Hot take: 2018 Houston Rockets are one of the greatest teams in recent NBA history and definitely the best team to not win the ring (except 73-9 warriors). That team almost won against the best team in league history, but catastrophic amount of bad luck, injuries and all time team choke ruined game 7. 99 out 100 times that Houston team wins game 7, this was just never before seen collapse. Against prime KD warriors. This team deserves respect. This is also my answer to Jimmy's take that Harden cant be THE guy on ring winning team.
I don’t agree with that. James harden was phenomenal that season but the team 3 point consistency was ass. In recent NBA, it was an atypical team to watch because of the small ball line up.but since they didn’t reach championship. I can’t say their one of the greatest in recent NBA.
Hot take: Celtics should have never given up on IT. He's a volume shooter, and was in one of the most passionate/volume city's in the game. They should have tried to keep him for a reasonable price( since before his injury he was talking about the brinks truck), having him as a sixth man for his attitude and grittiness would have helped the celtics badly right now with their ISO, low effort attitude (coming from someone who lives in the state
@@reelzz9972 true, but I don’t want to go so far. He could, but I think it’s more likely that the spots for to ten will be filled by guys like MJ or Kobe or Lebron
Hot take: We are already used to Giannis being in the talk for the best player in the league so when the media overlooks him we forget about him. I would like to think they have put Giannis in the first spot already, but when somebody puts Giannis in comparisson to Morant, I get annoyed hard. Like all the respect to Ja and I wish him all time great carrer but right now shut yo mouth about him being close to Giannis.
Hot take: If Ben Simmons would’ve just dunk the damn ball, he’d be playing for 76ers this year. Fans would be mad and then they would’ve gotten over it at beginning of season.
numbers dont dictate clutch or plays that change the momentum in games. analytics isnt how you figure out whos the best player ever. if youve never seen anyone play but youve got the stats in front of you, numbers dont tell the majority of the story. intangibles matter more than stats
Hot take: Barring death accidents/ devastating injuries, KG is the unluckiest player in NBA history. In 2000, the Wolves lost 5 first round picks because of the Joe Smith incident which basically means that the Wolves can’t surround KG with help aside from free agency but very few players like to go the Wolves. When they did, they reached the Western conference finals but unfortunately, Cassell got injured. Then Sprewell thinks he can’t feed his family leaving KG with no help. To add insult to injury, his bestfriend and mentor, Malik Sealy died in 2001 who happens to be the 2nd best player on the wolves team that season. KG’s teammates had a combined one all NBA selection in Minnesota when he played for 14 seasons. For comparison, Kobe had more than 10. In Boston, the Celtics were on pace to reach 70 wins in 2009 but KG tore his MCL. In 2010 Game 7 NBA Finals in the 4th quarter, the refs gave the Celtics only 3 free throws meanwhile the Lakers have 20 in the 4TH QUARTER ALONE and don’t tell me that they actually foul them because I’ve seen a lot of BS fouls there favoring the Lakers in that game. The Celtics actually shot better from the field, from the three, and in the foul line that game but the Lakers won. Also, people try to say that KG’s contract was huge and he was greedy but people don’t know back then that KG was 21 when he signed that contract and he was actually younger than Duncan that time who was a rookie. If you give a 21 year old today that would make 50M$ a year, they would take it any day.
The man led his T-Wolves to seven straight first round losses, enough said. I got KG somewhere in my top 30-35 all-time range, the 6th best PF ever. He had to join up with other stars to win a title. He's all-time great, but I just disagree with your sentiment that he's the unluckiest player ever. He was an alpha in terms of his big barking dog personality, but when the playoffs rolled around and the game got tight, he acted more like a little beta dog with a little whimper. He needed a great scorer on his team to close the game out for him. He was way too passive in those big games, it's why the T-Wolves never really got far except for 2004. He had Paul Pierce to close out games for him later on in Boston.
@@QuestionEverything562 this idea that KG needed an elite player next to him in his prime is so cap. He just needed 1 all star level talent guard at best and players who actually can defend a chair and shoot league average. Y’all like to praise them overrated mfs like Dirk and Giannis who y’all say carried their teams to chips but both of them had elite defenders and good shooters around them KG in his whole time in Minnesota never had 1 above average defender in his tenure. The 1 season he had some ok teammates he had the 1 seed and then his help got hurt during the playoffs and he was forced to play the point as a 7 footer during the WCF losing to the Lakers in 6 games. Why you think when he got next to some defenders and shooters he started winning? His scoring isn’t even bad it’s not all time level but it’s good enough to win a chip. The problem with why people say he can’t score in the playoffs is because his teammates literally couldn’t shoot consistently enough to warrant not double teaming him and forcing him to pass up the ball.
@@6dotz @.... One all-star level point guard? He had Sam Cassell who was a terrific floor general PG, he was also an all-star in that very season when KG finally got past the first round. As soon as Cassell got there, they got to the WCFs, but you're admitting to me that a superstar player like KG couldn't elevate his team enough to get past the first round for seven straight whole seasons without Cassell? He also had Sprewell avg 20 ppg in that series against the Lakers. If anything, it was not the T-Wolves defense that let them down against the Lakers, it was their inability to score down the stretch. The Wolves held Shaq to 20 ppg, and Kobe to 24 ppg on 41% shooting. You joke on Dirk and Giannis for actually leading their teams to a title, yet your boy KG couldn't even beat or remotely stop Dirk Nowitzki in the 2003 playoffs while KG was in his physical prime. Dirk avg 33 ppg with 52% shooting on KG's supposed lockdown defensive a** while absolutely sweeping KG off the floor 3-0. KG is the most overrated big of the 2000s, stop capping. KG's lack of offensive aggression is what typically held the Wolves back from succeeding past the 1st damn round. KG was mostly just a great rebounder and great defender, but his offense would go missing when needed the most. Sprewell would want the ball more than him in the 4th qtr. His leadership was also very questionable, he was a lot of rah rah, but not a whole lot of strategy. Cassell brought the real leadership and guidance to that team.
@@rosbin56 important? Yes. I guarantee that if you had to pick between kd or klay you’d pick kd. Why? Because kd can do EVERYTHING on the court with ease. Kd just an all around better player. He can shoot off the dribble and spot up. Klay more of a spot up shooter he’s #2 while steph is #1. No offense to klay but he couldn’t lead a team to a championship… kd can 🤷🏾♂️
@@ZootedOnMarz no i dont think warriors will keep kd if it means letting klay go. we are not talking championship here, we are talking about importance to the warriors. i wouldnt lose a sleep letting KD go if it means keeping klay. the splash brothers with draymonf are warriors culture and identity, i dont think warriors will destroy their culture for a championship. dont get me wrong fully healthy warriors with KD is unbeatable and it increase the chances of warriors winning championship a lot but warriors will not choose KD over klay
My hot take: Great defensive players in the past wouldn't be as great of defenders in this era due to more perimeter and fast paced play as well as rules regarding fouls. A step further is to say that good defensive players today would be much better with hand checking. Prime iguadala in the 80s would be one of the best defenders
good call... people say "oh but the NBA was a lot more rough back then" but i really feel like it was only rough because the game was played almost completely inside the arc or even the key, and defensive players of this era are more capable of defending in much more situations... lmk if i'm wrong
Well if we’re talking about plucking a guy from one period and putting him in another period, then yeah probably. But if we’re talking about taking a player and having them adapt to how the game has changed, then absolutely not
The rules and style of play dictate the game and shape the players. I agree with your take, but then the opposite is true as well. Great modern offensive players wouldn't be as potent offensively if they played the style and rules of the 80s/90s, and great offensive players of the past would have a load more freedom to play as they please making them even more lethal than they already were under the rules of today. MJ, Bird, Shaq, Kobe, Magic just to name a few would be pulling out astronomical offensive numbers today with the amount of freedom and space available. So I think it all balances out really.
@@neo-soul7779 I slightly disagree when you mentioned offensive players. Eras aren't only dictated by rules but also players, coaches and science/analytics. I don't think MVP James Harden would be as successful in the 80s, due to his play style and reliance on a team that can shoot, as well as his abuse of the rules. Steph Curry on the other hand, I believe would still be as great offensively
It would be true if not for a few legends that are/were good at everything. The best example is LeBron. The man has been in 27/7/7/1.5/1.5 for about two decades now and he has literally played all positions so he is more versatile. But Jokic is scary versatile it's true.
He was a real bad defender past few years he improved a lot yeah but he still isnt anywhere near being a good rim protector yeah he can disturb passes and dribbles on the ground but he isnt atlethic enough to be a good rim protector although i love him and the other parts i agree on he probably is the most versatile big not player tho
@@gregoireliron7554 LeBron is obviously more talented I’m talking about how a 7 footer can glide down the court, play pg, throw no look passes everywhere, and shoot the lights out. He also has the highest PER ever this season by quite a bit too.
I think to qualify for most versatile, he would have to be a great defender, which he unfortunately will never be because he will never have the quick feet of a Giannis, Rodman, Olajuwon. However most versatile offensive player, you might have a case there.
Khris Middleton is still the most underrated player in the league and I don’t think it’s close man’s just won a chip and is avg 20 points on 44/40 spilts and I haven’t even heard his name once in all star discussions. Plz give this man some respect
HOT TAKE: LeBron was the 05-06 MVP, making him the youngest ever, but the league couldn’t handle a 21 year old LBJ surpassing the narrative so early. This, in my opinion, would’ve solidified his GOAT status in due time.
Not a hot take: The NBA needs to be broken down into eras. We can no longer put Mike and LeBron in the same conversation… unless it’s only about being one of the greats. There needs to be an analysis done of each era and take the average stats of said era and categorize NBA players that way.
But what makes that hard is dividing it into eras and then there will always be players that are in multiple eras, how do you say who belongs in what era, I mean some players would possibly be placed in three eras
As someone who’s a fan of baseball you guys definitely need a stat like baseball has ops+ Meaning it takes the average from the era that each player played in so it can show you just how powerful a player was compared to everyone else in that area
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*Hot Take:* Players who played before we were old enough to watch them will never be fully appreciated for how good they were because we degrade them for the era they played in, rather than how well they played in their era. i.e., Wilt Chamberlain could easily be considered the GOAT but we were never alive to compare how good he was as he was currently playing.
Growing up i was convinced MJ was literaly a God. Nothing i have seen since has come close to MJ. BUT, watching and researching stuff about Wilt, and compairing them onjectively to other eras, im convinced that Wilt's peak was the pinacle of the game of basketball. I'd take Wilt in his peak to start my team over anyone else in a heartbeat.
I remember a few years ago saying that Giannis was only good enough to be a 3rd option on a championship team. I have now completely walked that statement back.
Hot take - George Mikan had a top 15-20 all time career at minimum and the decision to place the line on who gets credit for dominance in front of Mikan but behind Bill and Wilt (who each had WAY more help getting their rings than George did) is criminally arbitrary. Dude was All-NBA 1st team 6 out of 7 seasons, played 6 of his 7 seasons before the introduction of the Regular Season MVP as the best player on the best team; won 5 out of 5 championships before the introduction of the Finals MVP as the best player on the winning team, and led the league in defensive win shares in 5 of his 6 seasons before the introduction of the Defensive Player of the Year award and before the introduction of All-Defensive Teams. He played for 3 seasons before minutes per game were tracked but even if you assume he got his Win Shares on a worst case 48 minutes every game he would have the number one Win Shares per 48 of all time by such a huge margin that the gap between him and #2 is larger than the gap between #2 and #18. Played 5 of 7 seasons before the creation of the shot clock and in his first seasons scored 35% of the average total team score per game - this would scale to 39 ppg at today's pace if efficiency held even (32 PPG on his career) - which by the way, his True Shooting% was 113% the league average and he had 3 seasons in top 5 true shooting% to go along with his 3 Scoring Titles (top 5 in 6 consecutive seasons out of 7) and his 2 Rebounding Titles (even though Rebounds weren't even counted until his 3rd season - at which point he was top 5 for 4 consecutive seasons out of 5). Is he anywhere near the 15th best basketball player in history? Would he be that good if plucked out of the past and dropped into the modern NBA? Of course not. But when we're talking careers, dude did everything that there was to do while he was around to do it and he gets penalized in retrospect because his name doesn't show up on "most MVPs" or "most Finals MVPs" or "most DPOYs" lists because they didn't give the awards out to anyone while he was playing. Is it fair to just imagine he'd have received all of these awards if they existed? Probably not - but it's pretty hard to believe he'd have received none of them either and if Giannis is debatably a top 30 player all time right now with 1 ring, 1 Finals MVP, 2 MVPs, 1 DPOY, 5 All NBA, and 4 All Defense on 9 seasons - where do you rank the career of someone with 5 rings and at LEAST that same resume + multiple scoring titles, and multiple rebounding titles in 7 seasons?
People critically underestimate people from that era. My favorite example personally is Maurice Stokes only played 3 seasons but averaged the 3rd highest average in rebounds per game at 17.2 or something ridiculous. His career was cut short by debilitating injuries and he died at 38 (I think he was also the first NBA player to die). But nobody has even heard of this 6’4 dude averaging almost 20 rpg on guys like bill russell and Bob Pettit (he led the league one year and never placed less than 3rd on the top 10).
@@bryanchandler3486 Rodman was the Kobe of rebounding, he got good because of insane amounts of work. Most of these guys couldn’t train nearly as much because they weren’t always flying to the other places to play, training and honing has become far more accessible with all of our technological advances. And it wasn’t all the time black guys were even able to access proper facilities for doing this.
to add to this, goaltending was literally introduced because of mikan cz he kept catching shots before they went in. he changed the way the game is played/officiated just like wilt did.
Andrew Bogut going down was the biggest reason Cleveland were able to pull off the 3-1 down comeback His combination of rim protection, screen setting, passing and being a all round high IQ player was a very understated part of the pre KD success of the warriors, especially once Kerr came in and utilised his post injury skill set fully
Yeah I believe that too. People attribute Brons 41 points performance in Game 6 to the absence of Draymond but then forget that Draymond was there in Game 6 and Bron still dropped 40. The only consistent thing in these games was that Bogut was missing.
Yea but Kyrie and klove went down in 2015 but no one talks abt that. Injuries happen, don’t discredit lebron chip because of an injury to a role player…. Lebron lost his two other stars on the team but y’all never talk abt that.
Kyle Korver, even though he was my favorite player after Kobe retired, is the unluckiest playoff player. Played with D-Rose when he got hurt, was swept by Lebron in 2016 when the hawks were the 1 seed. Lost back to back finals against the warriors 4-1 and 4-0, and he did not resign and retired with the Bucks last year when they won it all.
Anderson Varejao was on the 2007 Cavs that was swept in the Finals. Was still on the Cavs when they went to the Finals and lost to the Warriors in 2015. Was traded by the Cavs mid season in 2016, then waved by the team he was traded to. So he joined the the reigning champion Warriors to ring chase for the rest of the season, ironically when the Cavs finally beat them lmaooooo Then resigned with the Warriors in 2017 when they had gotten KD and was for sure gonna win the championship only to be waved mid season when they finally won that year looooool Varejao WISHES he had Korver's playoff success........ plus he got immortalized when he was baptized by D-Wade
@@KryptoChronicutelite that was a fantastic clap back and I 100% agree that man was the opposite of blessed when it came to playoff success LOL plus he look like Sideshow Bob from The Simpsons
Exactly. Literally the superteam before LeBrons superteam in Miami was the big 3 Boston Celtics. Which is the whole reason LeBron started a superteam in the first place lmao, so he never really started the superteam trend, he just popularized it in a way.
My hot take is that Lebron’s underperformance in the 2011 finals wasn’t as bad as people think and not enough credit is given to the Mavs especially after sweeping the b2b champions and beating the underrated Thunder
100% true. Underrated. Idc if I'm bs since he is one of my 5 favourite players all time, but if you put all time every player in his prime, DWade is one of the 5 best.
@@mike_tkgchs I'm skeptical. There have been something like 12 players that short ever in NBA history. You have to be an absolute phenomenon to make it being that short. Allen Iverson, renowned for being a great and undersized player, is 5 inches taller.
Hot take: In his prime, Celtics Isaiah Thomas was one of the most talented players the game has ever seen. I guarantee no one in the nba today could average 29ppg and 6apg like IT did, and lead their team to be the first seed in the east... if they were the very short height of 5’9”.
Hot Take: Load Management is good for basketball in the long run because players will have longer careers. Kawhi did it in the 2018-2019 season and won a championship, also helping bring balance back to the nba in the offseason. Players with injury history that don’t load manage will shorten their careers, and their years of greatness that fans get to watch
I think this is a great take honestly but imagine buying a ticket to see your favourite player months prior to the game only to realize he is on load management 😭
Brandon Roy played from 2006-2013 and for the most part absolutely balled out when he was playing. I would much rather remember him as an awesome player when he did play then him have been load managed his whole career and then just be known as average or look like a shell of himself because Father Time is undefeated. Not everyone has the same genetic makeup, some guys can last and play at a high level for years, others can’t, that’s life.. I’d rather see your all while you got it then see you try to save yourself for some bigger picture and stretch out your career taking all these games off. People working normal jobs don’t get to load manage or they would be out of said job for the most part. There’s other things in life bigger then basketball, your life’s not over cuz you lose a step or don’t got it no more.
They're 100% trying. You don't make the hardest basketball league in the world giving 50% (unless you're an unbelievable prodigy). If you watch any NBA documentaries focused on players you'll see they are constantly grinding and giving the most they can on the court independent of the standings.
I agree, give their bodies more time to rest, maybe the tickets will increase in price but the quality of the game will be better, make them care more about winning but let them be healthier to compete. Sponsors would hate this though.
@@vulcronic9818their both lottery teams they both have a big impact on their respective teams the only thing Giannis clearly has over luka is defense everything else is close
Something that goes completely unnoticed by many fans is the talent around players as they develop their game and play. Klay Thompson played his whole career on a super team, while ray allen started in a bad team that couldn’t help him. These things squander great players and skew statistics, but those are the same ones people blindly back up the lofty players of better situations. Not as much a hot take, and more of a realization most miss
Another problem is that people like to discredit HOF teammates in order to boost one player. People will talk about the Jordan era Bull’s teammates like they’re sewer water, even though they had a starting five of future HOF’ers. People also act like Stephen Curry/KD carried the warriors alone as if they weren’t arguably the single greatest NBA team ever. And you’re spot on about how people will discredit guys like Ray Allen and even Iverson just because they didn’t have a dominant team, but that’s not their fault
This is the exact reason why people look at draymond green and say the exact same thing. if green played for a scrub team instead of GSW he mightve ended up average
Sure but you also have to consider that klay is on a team with THE best shooter every and a handful of other fantastic players through the years which means he gets less shots when ray allen is more relied on from his team and is alowed and does take more shots
@@judahwatcher1140 My guy, they had the splash bros AND the deepest bench in the league. Iggy was a starter material gone sixth man, livingston could lead second squad solid or help lock down defensively 1st and 2nd string, Bogut who was an all star center could hold his own against any centers if going against bigger teams while McGee providing explosiveness and hustle to give him breather or keep the line small. Then you got Draymond who's an excellent facilitator mid-play that clears up any clogging during the plays. It was a super team my man
My take: The 2017-18 Rockets would have won the NBA Championship (giving Harden and CP3 their first ring) if Chris Paul wasn’t injured at Game 5 (after securing a 3-2 lead against the Warriors)
my hot take is stockton get's way too disrespected considering all people say is his all time assist record is inflated and him being number 1 in steals still doesn't show he was a good defender but that still doesn't factor in his insane durability and reliability for 19 seasons he played 10 straight 82 game seasons
My hot take: The gap between Kobe(always portrayed as a bad teammate) and Lebron(portrayed as a good teammate) as teammates is much closer than what the media portrays it.
i always feel Lebron isn't good at elevating his teammates, but rather guiding a team with very specific role players or fringe all-stars dumbed down to specific assignments
@@mike_tkgchsDifference between the two is Lebron is not known for volume shooting when he is cold. Both required the team to be built around them to maximise their abilities, but that is no different from any other star player. I will say Lebron had to carry teams for a lot longer than Kobe due to being a day one carry job on the Cavs. But I don't think anyone would want to carry that post Shaq mid 00s Lakers squad, I mean they are one injured Kobe away from being the 2012 Charlotte Bobcats for quality.
Hot take: Zaza injuring Kawhi indirectly ended the Warriors dynasty because if he hadn’t done that then maybe Kawhi wouldn’t have been traded to the Raptors and the Warriors would have 3 peated.
Whoa. That's some Marvel Universe timeline hot take. Interestinggg take on Zaza and Kawhi. If Kawhi never left the Raptors could have three-peated too. That's my take.
@@imdirtydan3277 yes absolutely. That half an extra rebound could be the deciding factor between a finals loss and a finals win. Shaq has nothing on Kemp
you have to remember that 3 points is better than 2 points even tho they both use a possession, AND people are still shooting less than half of them, just watch new steph curry clones shooting 55-60% from three in the future. The longer we wait, the better people are going to be at shooting threes so no, a big men era will not happen
Embiid and Jokic say you're wrong, When was the last time the NBA had 2(3 if you count Giannis) big men at their level??? Big men will keep shooting like KAT but the GREAT ones will be unstoppable with such a widespread court just like we're seeing right now.
Hot take: Jordan Poole would be a nobody in the NBA or would be in the G-League if Klay Thompson didn't get injured twice and if Steph didn't break his hand.
My hot take is that if the 2009-2010 Nuggets had a better coach, then they could’ve won the title one of those years. They were loaded and lacked a lot of discipline.
The problem with those teams was Carmelo Anthony. Period. The sob refused to play defense and was only effective on offense bc Billups was running the show so he couldn't stop the ball n use 15 secs to take a shot.
Hot take: media should absolutely NOT have the ability to vote for mvp candidates. Their success does not depend on the accuracy and/or quality of their analysis (shout out to skip, kendrick, shaq, and stephen a smith). Leave the voting to players, coaches and gm's
Klay Thompson is one of the most impactful players to a franchise. Was a staple of why the Warriors got 3 championships in 4 years. And after 2 YEARS of not even playing a NBA game he comes back like he never left and with more support than ever.
Well, his comeback took more mental strength than most players in the league have. That shows his mentality, he will stop at nothing to win, be better, he's a competitor, unfortunately not all guys are that strong.
I teared up when he came back. Never been emotional about sports like that before. He’s a once in a lifetime type of player and competitor. The NBA wasn’t right without him.
Hot take: The Dallas Mavericks in 2011 have arguably the most underrated finals run in nba history. Everyone talks about the Heat and Lebrons collapse, but that Dallas team swept the back to back defending champs, did a gentlemans sweep on a talented OKC team that made the finals only a year later, and of course killed the big three in Miami winning 3 consecutive games. Always felt like their amazing run was overshadowed by the story of the underperforming superteam
I don't think it's underrated. In fact there are videos here on youtube about the toughest championships and I'm pretty sure they were ranked 2nd behind hakeem and drexler rockets
Yeah maybe the statement that that team is underrated is at least as valid if not more. All in all it just seemed like people forget how solid that team actually was. Then again, this is just the narrative I’ve heard when talking about it with people. And even then its not a factual statement, people are still allowed to disagree
Bro, people really don't know what giannis can become. A study using stats, accomplishments, and career projections, Giannis is on pace to be just as good as MJ.
Hot Take: MANU GINOBILI has one of the most impressive careers EVER. You just can't beat a gold medal with Argentina at the Olympics, winning against TEAM USA in the process. He is the best sixth man in NBA history, 4 times NBA champion, he should definitely have a finals mvp for 2005, and he has different titles and mvps in other leagues. I would choose every single time to win a gold medal with a country like Argentina over anything else. It's almost an impossible feat.
Hot Take: Kyrie Irving is the most talented basketball player in the game, not the best but the most talented. He does things sometimes I haven't seen any other player in the league capable of doing
Hot Take: My uncle could've gone pro if it wasn't for his ankle injury in high school
not too hot, I agree
lmao
No 🧢
yeah same lol
My uncle Rico would've gone pro if it weren't for his bad hammy. He could throw a football over a mountain
My hot take is Hakeem Olajuwon is heavily underrated and arguably the 2nd best center of all time. He was unstoppable on offence and a menace on the defense with how many blocks he racked up through his career. Also retired top 10 in blocks, points, rebounds, and steals. The only person to ever do this by the way.
W take
Top 10 player
The most skillful center of all time
Agreed 100%
W take. But don’t forget Lebron will be too when he retires
@@ericfurst6091 if i were to choose a center for a 5 vs 5 game in his prime, i would defo choose the dream. would beat any center ever.
Hot take: Jimmy has more engaging and factual content in one episode than all of Skip Bayless and Stephen A Smith's careers combined.
yaaaa you prob listen to eminem dont you
This is factual 😭😭💀💀
@@EditsByShady but Is it wrong tho
Naw but good joke
Remove ''hot take'' lol this is true
Kawhi is one of the best playoff performers of all time. Few can elevate and take over when it really matters like he can
True
Good take
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Most of the time Kawhi is playing really well but the rest of his team is absolute dogwater.
@@gherkingaming3988 in my opinion everyone other than pg13 is bad
Hot take: If Jxmy was given a chance to present his well thought out opinions on a platform like ESPN he would definitely change the perspective a lot of people having bad takes
nahh I guess most will agree to this XD
My buddy and I were just saying this last week
still waiting for the hot take
This isn’t a hot take tbh
That's just facts
Imma be honest here, I don't really follow the NBA at all except for the Finals. I'm much more of an NFL guy, but the way you make your videos is always so interesting and entertaining to me that you have become one of my favorite sport channels. Thanks for the content my guy!
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@@breadsports673 yeah these dirty bots
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@@detingzonen7048 nba fans losing there mind footage th-cam.com/video/BzZ4lMsXhSk/w-d-xo.html
Since your a nfl guy do you know any channels like this but for the nfl really wanna watch more football
my hot take: fred vanvleet is one of the most improved/underrated players ever. dude went from undrafted, g league, winning a g league ring, called up, winning a ring and is now fighting for a playoff spot while playing at an all star level on a nightly basis
Not a hot take at all
I mean, you're not wrong.
Rockfords Finest
Very true. Fred has put the work in
I think it should be changed to Fred being the most underrated/ slept on NBA player ever. Fred always knew he could ball. He just needed a stage to show it. Yes he got better, but that’s what NBA players are expected to do. If he was hot garbage, like a high school bench warmer becoming an NBA allstar, then I’d say most improved. But Fred was a stud in highschool and college so he didn’t really make a drastic improvement. He was just slept on by all the scouts.
hot take: jeremy lin could still drop over 10 ppg if he got decent minutes in the nba
True
100
Nah
Facts
@@Blakey500 well yea this was like a year and a half ago
"He's not that good, he just did something no one else on Earth has done before and made the game change all around". What even does "good" mean to these people?
I was gonna say something about staying in the mean of what every other point guard did in the past, but that is literally the opposite of great. So Idk they're delusional i guess
“You can spot a casual NBA fan by their opinion on Steph” FACTS FACTS FACTS!
No 2005 rule changes and Steph is nothing to what he is today…Rose was better hands down
@@mannyneva1760 in your dream maybe
Yeah curry is great and no denying it
My issue with Curry is how much of his value comes from his 3 point shooting? Is he an all time great? Yes. Is he a current great? Yes. My issue is if he wasn't as good at 3 point shooting (or in a massive slump like he is right now), how effective is he really? Can he be a solid point guard and run an offense? I think so. The thing is I just don't see him just running the offense that often. Granted I don't watch every single Warriors game. I'd like some honest and intelligent feedback on that from someone who actually knows basketball.
@@mannyneva1760 casual hahahaha
Hot Take:
Players should be allowed to show more emotion like in the 2000s or before, I hate seeing bs technical fouls for yelling and1 or a small taunt or stare or just throwing the ball a little too hard to the refs. These new refs suck. Call the travels instead
Agreed
Thats an ice cold take
That’s not a hot take, that’s just facts
post-malice 2000s was low-key worse than the conditions right now.
Every time after Dwight dunks and yells or Carmelo says gimme that sht after a rebound, I say please don't ever change 😂
That Shawn Kemp take had me doing the Pikachu face 😂
Hot take:Michael Jordan wasn't actually that good he was just able to score, assist, rebound, steal, make his teammates play better and win a repeat three peat like he was kinda average
Yeah bro tacko fall is wayyy more skilled
Hot take: The Houston Rockets with prime Dr34m still would've won their 2 championships even if Jordan never retired.
Yea, and when you really think about it, he never won 6 rings. He just won 4 plus another 2
He was definitely not the best at everything, but he was good at everything, that's what separated him from the rest
@@detingzonen7048 nba fans losing there mind footage th-cam.com/video/BzZ4lMsXhSk/w-d-xo.html
0:29 "he's not actually that good, he just perfected a skill that he used to revolutionize the game" lol, you just proved yourself wrong.
lmao yes curry may not have been as good with no 3 pointer, but he still revolutionised the 3 point shot, so you contradicted yourself
Lol
Lol it’s like saying, MJ wasn’t actually that good, he just knew how to play the game better than everyone else
No he didn't, take away Steph's 3pt skill and what is he? A bench player
@@TheMissiIe .
Hot Take: They need to fix or get rid of the NBA skill challenges. It just literally comes down to who can hit the three first none of the other skills are in display. I would get rid of the skill challenges and have one on one king of the hill style contest. Everyone want to see their favorite player go one on one with each other.
Dunk contest needs ten judges or anonymous voting. Plus bring in non nba players to complete since there are tons of talent dunkers outside the nba.
1 on 1 sounds like a good idea. could draw a lot of views for sure
@@sonny4978 problem is no nba player wanna get beat with that many viewers
Unsure why they took the bounce pass out
@@sonny4978 nba players don’t wanna play 1v1 on the spotlight.... a bad game and they will be laughingstock ... look at Brandon Knight vs Kyrie... mini 1v1 and he still can’t live it down .... it’s also why Lebron & other stars never did the dunk contest .... failing = social media mockery for next 10 years
This not even a hot take it's just facts
8:45 Notice how Larry Bird had just as many all defensive teams as Kobe (granted Kobe was on 1st team on 1 of those 3 all defensive teams while Bird was 2nd team on all 3) and more than Shaq during their 9th season? People really sleep on Bird defensively.
he was also a good passer thats slept on a lot he aint lebron passing but for a white dude that isnt jason williams he puts on
what are you smoking? Kobe has 12 all defensive teams
Hot take: to say a great player would dominate or being trash in another era different than his is not a good or realistic point. Every player modeled and played the game according to their time.
But there are players ahead of their time
Curry for threes, harden by abusing traveling rules etc.
@@hansenhorst3117 they weren’t ahead of the time they were making the future
not a hot take, its simply a fact
Stupid take
@@hansenhorst3117 how tf does that mean being ahead of time, then when will it be the time?
Hot take: Jokic is the best player in the league right now and if he continues to accomplish great thing he can become top 20 all time and top 5 centers all time
Jokic is the best in league no question
@@choopdabloon6315 plus he has everything a person wants. He is like a MyPlayer in 2K. He can shoot, rebound, pass like Steve Nash, he has an amazing footwork plus he is leading the Nuggets to a 6th seed without Jamal and MPJ. Nuggets are top 5 in the league when he is on the court but when he goes to bench they are the worst team. People underestimate Jokic and he is so underrated. No one is giving him the attention he deserves...
Agreed
Even hotter take: Jokic maybe the best center of all time.
@@lukadimitrijevic8727 "he's like a MyPlayer in 2k" lmao 😂 it's honestly a pretty good description for him though
Hot take: Ron artest was on the road to having a great career if it weren’t for the Malace at the palace and his temper. Before the incident he was starting to become a great player and was arguably top 3 defensively in 03. I think he would be a premier player in the league if it weren’t for the malice at the palice.
Facts, Ron averaged 24.5 points leading to that incident in '04 and experts said that the Pacers could've won the finals in that season
great take
This ain't no hot take, this well documented lol. Ron was a beast.
Was a ticket holder that season for indy. He was looking like an mvp! For.. what.... 7 games? It's a shame we didn't get to see what that team was capable of. I'm still not over it. :p
You could honestly say that about that whole Pacers team. They were dominating that season and had all the momentum in the world.
“Steph isn’t good, he’s just perfect at shooting” is one of the craziest takes Ive ever heard
Hot take: Michael Jordan isn’t actually that good, he just perfected playing basketball more than any other person ever
3rd Like, first reply. Remember me when this blows up.
@@ouraba2305 yessir
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you had me the first half
Hot Take:
Dirk Nowitzki needs to be talked more in the game's greatest scorers
Sure he scored a lot of points but he’s not even top 15 buddy
What u mean
Some of the people under him get talked more. Like T Mac or others. He just needs to be talked more about his scoring not be in the top 10 or w e
@@UnemploymentScrub23 He’s 6th in all time scoring.. this is not an opinion. It’s a fact
@@michaelgill565 Curry, Harden, KD, LeBron, Jordan, Chamberlain, Carmelo, Wilkins, Shaq, Kobe, Kareem, TMac, Iverson, Westbrook, Oscar Roberton. You want me to keep going?
Hot take: We are about to enter one of the greatest nba eras of all time. We have a lot of promising young talent and even if just 70% of that promise comes true the league might just be as loaded as it was in the 90s. Ja, Trae, Doncic, and this 2020 draft class are so full of potential it's amazing
hot take: we are already in a more talented era than any other era we have seen.
The NBA right now is more loaded than the 90s
@@LookingForAName... okay well idk really how to say it but the nba is way more talented right now but not as competitive like the players are better but theres a lot more of them that dont have that killer mentality when it comes to winning
@@michaelprovost-cardinal2361 that "killer mentality" statement is so overrated
@@htownblack9184 Yup, I agree with that. Needless aggression and contact doesn't make the sport better. I want to see a good display of skills, I don't care about handchecking or grown men getting super angry over a ball game. As long as they're playing to win, which most are, I'm good.
"Guys why do we have to be like this" had me dying💀💀💀
Muggsy Bogues isn't just a short guy, he was one of the most fundamentally sound and skillful players to enter to league. Not that he could have been an all-time player necessarily but his skill is up there for top 50 and was an above average player
now thats wassup
Yeah, dude literally held 3 franchise records for the charlotte hornets when he retired, and still holds 2, for steals and assists (other one was minutes but kemba walker broke that)
and while piling those up, muggsy bogues is still 6th for points
Till Jordan fucked that shit up
To be in the leauge at 5.3 is crazy
My hot take: there’s about a dozen more players more deserving to be on the Top 75 all time list who aren’t Anthony Davis.
Come on AD deserves it
@@zaydelbash1580 well he hasn't really done much yet in his career. One chip with LeBron and what else. Not a bad player by any means but top 75? Probably not
Not saying AD shouldn’t have made it, but Dwight not making it is a travesty
@@isaiahmesina4544 saying this like Lillard isn’t right there and a whole bunch of other players like do y’all be hearing yourselves talk when y’all talk hoops?
Lillard’s the one who shouldn’t be up there
My hot take is that it is absolutely pointless trying to find a GOAT. You cannot objectively compare people from different eras and who played different positions, who impacted the game in different ways, whose championships, MVPs, All-NBA Selections don't hold the same weight to everyone.
It's impossible to agree on what is more valuable. One might say that all accolades are valuable yes, but you will always put some over others. Sane for stats No matter how you slice the argument, you cannot find an objective answer.
this comment actually makes you the GOAT, pal
Don't forget the rules are different; the style are different (NBA slowly and slowly changed from favouring defense to favouring offense); and even the court itself are different (They have widened the paint like 2 times already).
If MJ is going back into Wilt's time, there's no guarantee he's going to be the GOAT, because the style and expectations was different back then. He might not get the development needed to be so great, just because being a guard back then was literally hell.
@@scipio764 That's also a valid point to my argument
counterpoint: Gretzky and Brady are clear goats in their sport. Baseball and basketball its much tougher, but even in basketball it really comes down to two players, I've never seen any GOAT arguments include anyone else besides Jordan and James. Like yeah Shaq, Duncan, Abdul-Jabbar, Chamberlain, Bird, Kobe were cool, but no one is claiming they're the best ever.
@@csanadhorvath I don't know anything about American Football, Hockey or Baseball so I won't venture there
What I will say, and this applies to Soccer too, is that I think this duel at the top is really enhanced by the media machines who make it feel like it could only be one of these two
An argument could be made that Tim Duncan was every bit as important to the Spurs as Kobe was to the Lakers, but let's be honest, Duncan wasn't exactly flashy. There was a lot to admire about his game and his relentless fundamentals, but who would you rather watch in a game? Popularity is a factor in these decisions, even when it doesn't deserve to be.
Duncan had Tony Parker Manu Ginobli and Kawhi but Kobe had only Pau
@@eg_space In the two seasons that the Lakers won the finals with Kobe and Pau, the supporting cast was solid. They had Bynum, Odom and Metta World Peace, who were all very solid players in their areas of expertise. Having a lot of skilled role players can be just as valuable as having multiple all stars. Just ask Jordan and Pippen.
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Hot take: James Harden would’ve had more success had he gone to Philly instead of the Nets. Harden feeding Joel Embiid the same way he set up Capela(their beef aside) would be insane. Defences would be torn on how to defend hardens isolations on the perimeter and Embiid’s post presence.
Well, he has finished only one season with Nets which was marred by injuries. Still they were KD's mutant feet away from the ECF
Hot take on your Hot take: Nets would be more successful if they haven't traded for Harden. Yes they were hit with injuries but part of the reason they had injuries is because they didn't have depth (and Harden gaining and losing weight extremely fast didn't help either) i don't think they would have as many injury problems if they didn't go through with the trade
Embiid isn't a lob threat to the extend of capella embiid is big strong and SKILLED capella cuts and jumps higher not saying embiid cant catch a lob or thay harden couldn't work with him but embiid isn't a pick qnd roll guy he's q iso post up guy and even when he does pick and roll most times he gets the ball far before oop territory
@@hoppy23 Are you serioussly judging how good a big man is solely based on how good they are at alley oops? That is maybe the most casual fan thing I have ever heard. Embiid and Harden would be a good duo regardless of how good they are at alley oops.
@@Zond3r kd was one toenail away from putting himself in the goat conversation, he still is in that conversation to me but on my mama if kd wins the ring last year some people would open up there eyes and see his basketball skill far out weighs lebrons lebron certainly a better leader and passer but kd legit has more moves and is more efficient shooting and creating his own shot kd deserves his respect but I fear he won't get it and I don't see why NO ONE COULD WIN WITH RUSS westbrook at pg most games westbrook would shoot more then kd just to prove he was alpha, kd isn't as much of a leader or talked bjt whay he is is a basketball genius he's a 6"11 kyrie Irving with a softer jump shot, I have yet to find anyone to agree but kd is just as if not better then lebron, and him joining golden state And creating the first unbeatable team maybe ever should be looked as a positive not a negative plenty of stars have tried to become unstoppable and make super teams yall Mad at kd bc his game is so flawless he can actually make playing with the stars work and be unstoppable I promise if the heat went 4-0 lebron would get even more hate then he does now bc everyone would be like yea of course he won he joined ip on d wade and bosh made a super team but bc they lost the narrative changes, kd never lost once he was squaded up and healthy
Hot take: the finals mvp should be removed, there should just be a post season mvp, so it shows how you contributed throughout your way to a championship not just in the finals.
I think they should be able to give the fvmp to the losing team like what they did with Jerry west. I'm still salty AI didn't get in in 01
Both these takes are bad
@@daythenite5683 sorry bro, no way he deserved it over Shaq. Many other years yeah, but Shaq’s prime… sheeessshhh. But if that’s your hot take then it’s definitely hot lol
This actually ain’t a bad idea.
Too many variables for this to work. If the best player throughout the playoffs gets hurt game 1 of the Finals and dosent return, but his team still wins it all, then what?
Hot take: We never saw Derrick Rose in his prime. His career changing injury happened when he was 25 I believe; and most players don’t reach their prime until 27.
Unless your Lebron 😂 It’s funny cuz D-Rose was actually 22
Ye
Big “if”, but I believe if Derrick Rose had hit his prime, he would’ve been by now top 3 PG of all time.
I tell ppl this all the time.
The tragic thing is that he would've probably gotten injured later in his career.
Players that are that athletic and constantly lands on 1 foot will eventually come down on an ankle or knee injury
Hot take: if theres one player ahead of giannis that is under 30 and a potential future top 5 all time it’s Luka. Man is putting up these numbers at 23, he still will improve over the next 4 years before he hits his prime. The longevity of his game will allow that prime to last many years
Common take by now my guy
@@pikabk8829 most people would take giannis over Luka
@@Harry-ge1zo if you mean 45/55 yeah most people would ig, but its damn near 50/50
I wonder how many rings Luka, Jokic, Embiid and Giannis will finish their careers with. Presumeably the second half of the 2020s will be a tossup between them for titles.
@@gm2407 Embiid is almost 30 already so he probably has like 3-8 good years left and he is quite injury prone but will most likely have 1-3 rings Giannis probably will have 2-4 rings and Luka will have at least 1
Hot take: Nikola Jokic is everything Arvydas Sabonis would have been had he been allowed to play in the nba in his prime
not too hot of a take, and I'd go a step farther and would say that Arvydas prime would've dominated that era of the NBA...
arvydas couldn't shoot
Spicy
@@GandaIf he was a great shooter
You just missed Thinking Basketball’s collab with the NBA channel.
Arvydas Sabonis could have become one of the greatest centres of all time had he played in the NBA in his prime
Thats the most leggit comment i have seen in the comment section
Not even a bad take he definitely would of
that's actually a good take, if he had a back when he played, and played a long career, he'd have been an all time great.
Not even a bad take he one of the best when he came in 91 if he came out of Russia earlier he probably could've been at least a 2x champion in 90/91 (they really needed him)
FAX !
Hot take: NBA fans live too in the moment. When a once great player falls off, they downplay their prior achievements and when a player blows up they take it too far. Inversely , on the other end of the spectrum some fans are stagnant and believe the players of today cant hold a candle to the past. eg Giannis Also LaMelo has a bright future, but is currently overrated. 😁
Melo isn’t overrated
^ Yall just fucking proved his point 10 fold
Lamelo is overrated as hell 🤦🏻♂️
@@07ProdPhilly melo deserves his hype imo, maybe the tiniest bit overhyped but his potential is insane.. he could be a superstar eventually
bruh the comments lmao
I do have to disagree with your Giannis take somewhat, imo, he's one of two players under 30, currently in the NBA that has the potential to be top 5 all time, and the other one is Luka, obviously, its wayyyy too early to tell for him, but i think that's his ceiling
Luka 100% has a chance, he pretty much already runs the nba and he’s only 22, crazy
bro good take it’s really bold to say this early but his consistency and playstyle that isn’t prone to injury could really make him great
@Max most players decline because their athletic ability declines but lukas playstyle is so nonchalant and crafty that athleticism dropping won’t really effect him. also he isn’t gonna be prone to injury bc of his playstyle as well
I kinda agree with both but it's just so early to say that one of them will end up top 10 or top 5. Only time will tell where they will rank all time but they do have a chance to rank really high on the all time list
i actually agree luka has huge potential
Hot take : MJ and Kobe's solo scoring abilities blinded a generation from the fact that basketball is a team game
Nba did in general maybe 3 or 4 teams that showed real team effort. If you want kids to learn the game as a whole, let them watch euro league
I feel like theres a lot of truth in that. But at the end of the day they were just filling a role in the team. If your the best and a great scorer, why not take full advantage?
LeBron is a better scorer than Kobe though
I do agree with this to some degree, but the bulls players even believed that MJ made the team different. But on the other hand, it makes sense that this would be true.
@@almightyyeezydab5149 Kobe could score from anywhere on the floor LeBron is also great but not a pure shooter and has improved over time and Kobe made his free throws
Dude basically said,
“Steph’s not that good, he’s just really good at what you need to do to be good.“
but Steph isn't good, he's just good at shooting. but when he doesn't have the ball...he's only able to create space to catch and shoot, or force a double team on himself to give an assist, or to make the guys around him better. but he isn't that good
@@joosunkmybattleship 😭
"He isn't good, he can just shoot, collapse the defense for the open man, one of the leading pgs in steals..etc etc, but he's just not good" like what💀
Bro it’s not even hate but let’s be real the main reason why people think Curry so good and the reason for all his success and why people love him is mainly bc of one thing.. his shooting ability. If you take away his shooting and keep everything else the same he wouldn’t be nearly as effective and wouldn’t be an all time great.
@@legacyhoops9336 if Shaq wasn't 7'1 325 lb, if MJ couldn't shoot, you can say the same for everyone
Hot take: if the nets kept allen, lavert dinwiddie, and the crew without trading them for harden or pursuing his contract, the nets would be a lot better. More depth and more squad game. My opinion
If no trade then lavert cancer would have never been detected
Aside from finding out a player has cancer ... Yeah they had a young team all with incredible potential now ballin in their new teams
@@qtaudi6555 true, their team wouldn’t be better because Lavert could be dead at this point if he wasn’t traded!
Not a hot take. Especially keeping Allen. Granted, the Kylie vax, harden exiting his prime and wanting to possibly leave makes this take not hot whatsoever in hind sight but there are still people who swear up and down they’ll just figure it out and flip a switch and dominate.
This isn’t wrong Allen alone would make the nets a lot better
Hot take: I’d be better than jordon if my ymca coach would just put me in the game!!!!!
Hot Take: Even if Jokic wins back to back MVPS he’s still under rated.
Yeah Jokers play style will just never do it for me
Hot take: Jokic is trash
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@@Dafunnyy my man u need to get ur eyes checked
u don't win an MVP if ur trash
@@shahzaibkhan8958 didnt Andre win a finals Mvp just because he guarded lebron, theres without a doubt some shitty MVPs and FMVP picks that have won.
Hot take: 2018 Houston Rockets are one of the greatest teams in recent NBA history and definitely the best team to not win the ring (except 73-9 warriors).
That team almost won against the best team in league history, but catastrophic amount of bad luck, injuries and all time team choke ruined game 7. 99 out 100 times that Houston team wins game 7, this was just never before seen collapse. Against prime KD warriors. This team deserves respect.
This is also my answer to Jimmy's take that Harden cant be THE guy on ring winning team.
I don’t agree with that. James harden was phenomenal that season but the team 3 point consistency was ass. In recent NBA, it was an atypical team to watch because of the small ball line up.but since they didn’t reach championship. I can’t say their one of the greatest in recent NBA.
I actually agree. 2018 Houston is one of the best non-title teams in recent memory.
Lmao they lost a year later with a fully healthy roster against the warriors without KD. Quit the excusessssss
@@GT_XLV they still would've beat them in 2018
The cap is immaculent the team take maybe but harden will NEVER win a ring like how he played in Houston
Hot take: Celtics should have never given up on IT. He's a volume shooter, and was in one of the most passionate/volume city's in the game. They should have tried to keep him for a reasonable price( since before his injury he was talking about the brinks truck), having him as a sixth man for his attitude and grittiness would have helped the celtics badly right now with their ISO, low effort attitude (coming from someone who lives in the state
I allow that
you know the beginning music ?
Hes still a huge liability on defense
@@thealecvolk he’s no worse than steph curry on defense
@@CigArio he def is. Steph curry is like 0 isiah is like -1 and steph is great on offense bc hes a top finisher top shooter and top handler
Hot take: If Luka keeps performing at the level he is in right now or even improves, in 10 years he could en up top 20 all time
cold take
Top 20,more like top ten have you not seen how good he has been playing
@@reelzz9972 true, but I don’t want to go so far. He could, but I think it’s more likely that the spots for to ten will be filled by guys like MJ or Kobe or Lebron
@@arcangel4631 going far is the whole point of hot takes
@@boggdogg hahaha true, my hot take is too likely to come true to be a good hot take
Hot take:
We are already used to Giannis being in the talk for the best player in the league so when the media overlooks him we forget about him.
I would like to think they have put Giannis in the first spot already, but when somebody puts Giannis in comparisson to Morant, I get annoyed hard. Like all the respect to Ja and I wish him all time great carrer but right now shut yo mouth about him being close to Giannis.
Fax
Tru
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And Jokic too man people act like MVPs should always be the MVP or there no good
Another hot take: Jimmy goes full Einstein when it comes to his graphs and stats
Coldest take ive ever seen
It’s crazy how accurate they are too
Bro got 2 hot takes, both top comments, and he didn’t miss on either. W
This is kinda cringe. Jimmy is a smart NBA fan, but full einstein just shows you have to change your NBA analysis intake
yes
Hot take:
If Ben Simmons would’ve just dunk the damn ball, he’d be playing for 76ers this year. Fans would be mad and then they would’ve gotten over it at beginning of season.
Yess! Or the other guy just pump fake
Honestly, I think Simmons should be a forward.
And if the 76ers won the championship last year, Danny Green would have three-peat champion playing in 3 different teams
this isnt a hot take its common knowlege
He started losing confidence and it hurts to watch because he can contribute more than just shooting the ball
numbers dont dictate clutch or plays that change the momentum in games. analytics isnt how you figure out whos the best player ever. if youve never seen anyone play but youve got the stats in front of you, numbers dont tell the majority of the story. intangibles matter more than stats
Hot Take: Curry is under appreciated for everything other then shooting. Like he is a great all around player, but people never recognize it
Besides on ball defense.. which is you know, probably about 35-40% of it
great take
True. Curry is probably a part of best ever starting 5.
@@daddyrammus At what position? Better PG than Magic? Better SG than Jordan? Does Curry even make 2nd team?
i fell like only casuals dont appriciate his full game
Hot take: Barring death accidents/ devastating injuries, KG is the unluckiest player in NBA history. In 2000, the Wolves lost 5 first round picks because of the Joe Smith incident which basically means that the Wolves can’t surround KG with help aside from free agency but very few players like to go the Wolves. When they did, they reached the Western conference finals but unfortunately, Cassell got injured. Then Sprewell thinks he can’t feed his family leaving KG with no help. To add insult to injury, his bestfriend and mentor, Malik Sealy died in 2001 who happens to be the 2nd best player on the wolves team that season.
KG’s teammates had a combined one all NBA selection in Minnesota when he played for 14 seasons. For comparison, Kobe had more than 10.
In Boston, the Celtics were on pace to reach 70 wins in 2009 but KG tore his MCL. In 2010 Game 7 NBA Finals in the 4th quarter, the refs gave the Celtics only 3 free throws meanwhile the Lakers have 20 in the 4TH QUARTER ALONE and don’t tell me that they actually foul them because I’ve seen a lot of BS fouls there favoring the Lakers in that game. The Celtics actually shot better from the field, from the three, and in the foul line that game but the Lakers won.
Also, people try to say that KG’s contract was huge and he was greedy but people don’t know back then that KG was 21 when he signed that contract and he was actually younger than Duncan that time who was a rookie. If you give a 21 year old today that would make 50M$ a year, they would take it any day.
The man led his T-Wolves to seven straight first round losses, enough said. I got KG somewhere in my top 30-35 all-time range, the 6th best PF ever. He had to join up with other stars to win a title. He's all-time great, but I just disagree with your sentiment that he's the unluckiest player ever. He was an alpha in terms of his big barking dog personality, but when the playoffs rolled around and the game got tight, he acted more like a little beta dog with a little whimper. He needed a great scorer on his team to close the game out for him. He was way too passive in those big games, it's why the T-Wolves never really got far except for 2004. He had Paul Pierce to close out games for him later on in Boston.
Sorry but I ain’t reading this 😭
Hes not as unlucky as anyone that hasn’t won a title tho. Come on.
@@QuestionEverything562 this idea that KG needed
an elite player next to him in his prime is so cap. He just needed 1 all star level talent guard at best and players who actually can defend a chair and shoot league average. Y’all like to praise them overrated mfs like Dirk and Giannis who y’all say carried their teams to chips but both of them had elite defenders and good shooters around them KG in his whole time in Minnesota never had 1 above average defender in his tenure. The 1 season he had some ok teammates he had the 1 seed and then his help got hurt during the playoffs and he was forced to play the point as a 7 footer during the WCF losing to the Lakers in 6 games. Why you think when he got next to some defenders and shooters he started winning? His scoring isn’t even bad it’s not all time level but it’s good enough to win a chip. The problem with why people say he can’t score in the playoffs is because his teammates literally couldn’t shoot consistently enough to warrant not double teaming him and forcing him to pass up the ball.
@@6dotz @.... One all-star level point guard? He had Sam Cassell who was a terrific floor general PG, he was also an all-star in that very season when KG finally got past the first round. As soon as Cassell got there, they got to the WCFs, but you're admitting to me that a superstar player like KG couldn't elevate his team enough to get past the first round for seven straight whole seasons without Cassell? He also had Sprewell avg 20 ppg in that series against the Lakers. If anything, it was not the T-Wolves defense that let them down against the Lakers, it was their inability to score down the stretch. The Wolves held Shaq to 20 ppg, and Kobe to 24 ppg on 41% shooting. You joke on Dirk and Giannis for actually leading their teams to a title, yet your boy KG couldn't even beat or remotely stop Dirk Nowitzki in the 2003 playoffs while KG was in his physical prime. Dirk avg 33 ppg with 52% shooting on KG's supposed lockdown defensive a** while absolutely sweeping KG off the floor 3-0. KG is the most overrated big of the 2000s, stop capping. KG's lack of offensive aggression is what typically held the Wolves back from succeeding past the 1st damn round. KG was mostly just a great rebounder and great defender, but his offense would go missing when needed the most. Sprewell would want the ball more than him in the 4th qtr. His leadership was also very questionable, he was a lot of rah rah, but not a whole lot of strategy. Cassell brought the real leadership and guidance to that team.
Hot take: If Jimmy keeps uploading bangers like this , he'll be the undisputed GOAT of basketball youtube
He already is the GOAT
Not a hot take, just a fact.
He's already GOAT of basketball youtube
@@micheledefinis1735 yeah but undisputed means no argument can even be made
Hes already the Goat and hes so Entertaining to listen to
The Tim Duncan vs Kobe take is spot on. I'll take Tim any day
The wisdom of these fans is insane, I'll add some of myself: Anthony Bennett would have surpassed MJ by miles if MJ didn't remember to breathe
I love how he didn't even respond to the Klay over Durant take.
Don’t try, it’s false
as a GSW fan, it is simply not true, KD is way better and there no way to argue around it
@@stevend278 better yes but important? No i don't think so
@@rosbin56 important? Yes. I guarantee that if you had to pick between kd or klay you’d pick kd. Why? Because kd can do EVERYTHING on the court with ease. Kd just an all around better player. He can shoot off the dribble and spot up. Klay more of a spot up shooter he’s #2 while steph is #1. No offense to klay but he couldn’t lead a team to a championship… kd can 🤷🏾♂️
@@ZootedOnMarz no i dont think warriors will keep kd if it means letting klay go. we are not talking championship here, we are talking about importance to the warriors. i wouldnt lose a sleep letting KD go if it means keeping klay. the splash brothers with draymonf are warriors culture and identity, i dont think warriors will destroy their culture for a championship. dont get me wrong fully healthy warriors with KD is unbeatable and it increase the chances of warriors winning championship a lot but warriors will not choose KD over klay
My hot take: Great defensive players in the past wouldn't be as great of defenders in this era due to more perimeter and fast paced play as well as rules regarding fouls. A step further is to say that good defensive players today would be much better with hand checking. Prime iguadala in the 80s would be one of the best defenders
good call... people say "oh but the NBA was a lot more rough back then" but i really feel like it was only rough because the game was played almost completely inside the arc or even the key, and defensive players of this era are more capable of defending in much more situations... lmk if i'm wrong
Well if we’re talking about plucking a guy from one period and putting him in another period, then yeah probably. But if we’re talking about taking a player and having them adapt to how the game has changed, then absolutely not
@@toilet4441 true. talents will always transcends generation
The rules and style of play dictate the game and shape the players. I agree with your take, but then the opposite is true as well. Great modern offensive players wouldn't be as potent offensively if they played the style and rules of the 80s/90s, and great offensive players of the past would have a load more freedom to play as they please making them even more lethal than they already were under the rules of today. MJ, Bird, Shaq, Kobe, Magic just to name a few would be pulling out astronomical offensive numbers today with the amount of freedom and space available. So I think it all balances out really.
@@neo-soul7779 I slightly disagree when you mentioned offensive players. Eras aren't only dictated by rules but also players, coaches and science/analytics. I don't think MVP James Harden would be as successful in the 80s, due to his play style and reliance on a team that can shoot, as well as his abuse of the rules. Steph Curry on the other hand, I believe would still be as great offensively
My hot take: If you give Lonnie Walker IV more minutes, like more then 30, he could be a top 15 scorer in the NBA.
Jokic is arguably the most versatile player ever because of his size, passing, shooting, and he’s a very underrated defender
It would be true if not for a few legends that are/were good at everything. The best example is LeBron. The man has been in 27/7/7/1.5/1.5 for about two decades now and he has literally played all positions so he is more versatile.
But Jokic is scary versatile it's true.
He was a real bad defender past few years he improved a lot yeah but he still isnt anywhere near being a good rim protector yeah he can disturb passes and dribbles on the ground but he isnt atlethic enough to be a good rim protector although i love him and the other parts i agree on he probably is the most versatile big not player tho
@@gregoireliron7554 LeBron is obviously more talented I’m talking about how a 7 footer can glide down the court, play pg, throw no look passes everywhere, and shoot the lights out. He also has the highest PER ever this season by quite a bit too.
@@utkuayla9169 I know he’s not Embiid level defender but he’s an above average defender especially in the paint
I think to qualify for most versatile, he would have to be a great defender, which he unfortunately will never be because he will never have the quick feet of a Giannis, Rodman, Olajuwon. However most versatile offensive player, you might have a case there.
Khris Middleton is still the most underrated player in the league and I don’t think it’s close man’s just won a chip and is avg 20 points on 44/40 spilts and I haven’t even heard his name once in all star discussions. Plz give this man some respect
I honestly think Durant, DeRozan, LaVine, etc deserve it over Middleton. He might get a reserve spot, I think he deserves it over Tatum.
hot take: Andrew Wiggins probably shouldn't be an all star starter
thats not a hot take thats facts bro
Dats cold
As a timberwolves fan I’m pissed he decides trying when he’s in Golden state, but then again draymond would end him if he didnt
@@breezy7739 Agreed, he should have been like Edwards, before Edwards
Hot take Andrew wiggins could be the first role player to start.
HOT TAKE: LeBron was the 05-06 MVP, making him the youngest ever, but the league couldn’t handle a 21 year old LBJ surpassing the narrative so early. This, in my opinion, would’ve solidified his GOAT status in due time.
Not a hot take: The NBA needs to be broken down into eras. We can no longer put Mike and LeBron in the same conversation… unless it’s only about being one of the greats. There needs to be an analysis done of each era and take the average stats of said era and categorize NBA players that way.
But what makes that hard is dividing it into eras and then there will always be players that are in multiple eras, how do you say who belongs in what era, I mean some players would possibly be placed in three eras
Hard facta
@@ajthemc8682 their prime
There should be both, all time and for their era. But the GOAT will always be relevant and it should be talked about atleast some of the time
As someone who’s a fan of baseball you guys definitely need a stat like baseball has ops+ Meaning it takes the average from the era that each player played in so it can show you just how powerful a player was compared to everyone else in that area
4:04 that "gohhh damn" edit mad me spit out ma food 😂
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*Hot Take:*
Players who played before we were old enough to watch them will never be fully appreciated for how good they were because we degrade them for the era they played in, rather than how well they played in their era.
i.e., Wilt Chamberlain could easily be considered the GOAT but we were never alive to compare how good he was as he was currently playing.
Cold take
Finally someone understands tgis
I mean I think Wilt is the goat
@@jeffmousebeans5055 he is
Growing up i was convinced MJ was literaly a God. Nothing i have seen since has come close to MJ. BUT, watching and researching stuff about Wilt, and compairing them onjectively to other eras, im convinced that Wilt's peak was the pinacle of the game of basketball. I'd take Wilt in his peak to start my team over anyone else in a heartbeat.
0:24: he aint wrong
Klay will stay on ur team
KD will leave before you can blink twice and do the hokey pokey
Hot take: coaches rarely get talked about despite having an important job
Yeah fr in football if the team doesn’t amount to anything. It’s always on the coach, but not for basketball
Maybe you should look at how toxic philly is
@@prometheus1711 Thibodeau is another example
Ya people like Pop and kerr rarely get attention
I remember a few years ago saying that Giannis was only good enough to be a 3rd option on a championship team. I have now completely walked that statement back.
Congrats on the humility.
Jxmy never fails to make me quit whatever I was doing and watch his videos ASAP every time
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Joker is the best player of all time
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dead ass what i did lol R.I.P kobe to :(
lmao facts
Al Horford is one of the most underrated players in the nba !
Hot take - George Mikan had a top 15-20 all time career at minimum and the decision to place the line on who gets credit for dominance in front of Mikan but behind Bill and Wilt (who each had WAY more help getting their rings than George did) is criminally arbitrary.
Dude was All-NBA 1st team 6 out of 7 seasons, played 6 of his 7 seasons before the introduction of the Regular Season MVP as the best player on the best team; won 5 out of 5 championships before the introduction of the Finals MVP as the best player on the winning team, and led the league in defensive win shares in 5 of his 6 seasons before the introduction of the Defensive Player of the Year award and before the introduction of All-Defensive Teams.
He played for 3 seasons before minutes per game were tracked but even if you assume he got his Win Shares on a worst case 48 minutes every game he would have the number one Win Shares per 48 of all time by such a huge margin that the gap between him and #2 is larger than the gap between #2 and #18. Played 5 of 7 seasons before the creation of the shot clock and in his first seasons scored 35% of the average total team score per game - this would scale to 39 ppg at today's pace if efficiency held even (32 PPG on his career) - which by the way, his True Shooting% was 113% the league average and he had 3 seasons in top 5 true shooting% to go along with his 3 Scoring Titles (top 5 in 6 consecutive seasons out of 7) and his 2 Rebounding Titles (even though Rebounds weren't even counted until his 3rd season - at which point he was top 5 for 4 consecutive seasons out of 5).
Is he anywhere near the 15th best basketball player in history? Would he be that good if plucked out of the past and dropped into the modern NBA? Of course not. But when we're talking careers, dude did everything that there was to do while he was around to do it and he gets penalized in retrospect because his name doesn't show up on "most MVPs" or "most Finals MVPs" or "most DPOYs" lists because they didn't give the awards out to anyone while he was playing.
Is it fair to just imagine he'd have received all of these awards if they existed? Probably not - but it's pretty hard to believe he'd have received none of them either and if Giannis is debatably a top 30 player all time right now with 1 ring, 1 Finals MVP, 2 MVPs, 1 DPOY, 5 All NBA, and 4 All Defense on 9 seasons - where do you rank the career of someone with 5 rings and at LEAST that same resume + multiple scoring titles, and multiple rebounding titles in 7 seasons?
People critically underestimate people from that era. My favorite example personally is Maurice Stokes only played 3 seasons but averaged the 3rd highest average in rebounds per game at 17.2 or something ridiculous. His career was cut short by debilitating injuries and he died at 38 (I think he was also the first NBA player to die). But nobody has even heard of this 6’4 dude averaging almost 20 rpg on guys like bill russell and Bob Pettit (he led the league one year and never placed less than 3rd on the top 10).
My man pulled out the whole essay for this one 😂
@@thepineapplesmustbevanquis4509 Damn shout out to a legend. Thanks for teaching me a bit of NBA history. Dude was Rodman before Rodman
@@bryanchandler3486 Rodman was the Kobe of rebounding, he got good because of insane amounts of work. Most of these guys couldn’t train nearly as much because they weren’t always flying to the other places to play, training and honing has become far more accessible with all of our technological advances. And it wasn’t all the time black guys were even able to access proper facilities for doing this.
to add to this, goaltending was literally introduced because of mikan cz he kept catching shots before they went in. he changed the way the game is played/officiated just like wilt did.
Andrew Bogut going down was the biggest reason Cleveland were able to pull off the 3-1 down comeback
His combination of rim protection, screen setting, passing and being a all round high IQ player was a very understated part of the pre KD success of the warriors, especially once Kerr came in and utilised his post injury skill set fully
Yeah I believe that too. People attribute Brons 41 points performance in Game 6 to the absence of Draymond but then forget that Draymond was there in Game 6 and Bron still dropped 40. The only consistent thing in these games was that Bogut was missing.
Yea but Kyrie and klove went down in 2015 but no one talks abt that. Injuries happen, don’t discredit lebron chip because of an injury to a role player…. Lebron lost his two other stars on the team but y’all never talk abt that.
@@xxKINGCR0Cxx1 Exactly.
@@xxKINGCR0Cxx1 w
@@xxKINGCR0Cxx1 no one talks abt that? u live on mars or something? EVERYONE talks abt that
Kyle Korver, even though he was my favorite player after Kobe retired, is the unluckiest playoff player. Played with D-Rose when he got hurt, was swept by Lebron in 2016 when the hawks were the 1 seed. Lost back to back finals against the warriors 4-1 and 4-0, and he did not resign and retired with the Bucks last year when they won it all.
Anderson Varejao was on the 2007 Cavs that was swept in the Finals.
Was still on the Cavs when they went to the Finals and lost to the Warriors in 2015.
Was traded by the Cavs mid season in 2016, then waved by the team he was traded to.
So he joined the the reigning champion Warriors to ring chase for the rest of the season, ironically when the Cavs finally beat them lmaooooo
Then resigned with the Warriors in 2017 when they had gotten KD and was for sure gonna win the championship
only to be waved mid season when they finally won that year looooool
Varejao WISHES he had Korver's playoff success........
plus he got immortalized when he was baptized by D-Wade
@@KryptoChronicutelite that was a fantastic clap back and I 100% agree that man was the opposite of blessed when it came to playoff success LOL plus he look like Sideshow Bob from The Simpsons
"Steph isn't that good, he just mastered a skill the nba has never seen before"....am I having a brain aneurysm? Wouldn't that make him good? Wtf haha
That’s like saying Shaq wasnt good cause he only was able to play in the paint
LeBron didn’t cause “super teams” to exist , they’ve always been there. He just shifted the control of creating a super team from owners to players.
Don't think this is a hot take anymore
That's a great take
He literally did a video on this I’m sure, or it might have been the 2008 Celtics dynasty
Exactly. Literally the superteam before LeBrons superteam in Miami was the big 3 Boston Celtics. Which is the whole reason LeBron started a superteam in the first place lmao, so he never really started the superteam trend, he just popularized it in a way.
Ya that’s the issue, players could just leave and I respect whatever they do b it can make the nba boring
My hot take is that Lebron’s underperformance in the 2011 finals wasn’t as bad as people think and not enough credit is given to the Mavs especially after sweeping the b2b champions and beating the underrated Thunder
It was a bad performance by Bron, however people seem to forget that Kobe got swept by them too. But ya know, haters gonna hate. It is what it is.
But Lebron didn’t win the 2011 finals?
@@idontgetit9055 Try to read it again
@@juanmigueldelrosario9351 😂
Facts facts facts. That was an all time run by Dirk and the Mavs. Not a failure by Lebron. They swept Lakers, beat OKC
Dwayne Wade doesn’t get enough respect for how good he was
Fax
Fax
When have you ever heard someone talk bad about Dwayne wade
100% true. Underrated. Idc if I'm bs since he is one of my 5 favourite players all time, but if you put all time every player in his prime, DWade is one of the 5 best.
True
My favorite is The Professor saying he was good enough to play in the NBA (at 5 foot 7).
ooof... not sure if that's a really hot take, he is/was skilled enough to have a shot for a few seasons at least...
@@mike_tkgchs I'm skeptical. There have been something like 12 players that short ever in NBA history. You have to be an absolute phenomenon to make it being that short. Allen Iverson, renowned for being a great and undersized player, is 5 inches taller.
@@ntdscherer eh, i see your point
Hot take: In his prime, Celtics Isaiah Thomas was one of the most talented players the game has ever seen. I guarantee no one in the nba today could average 29ppg and 6apg like IT did, and lead their team to be the first seed in the east... if they were the very short height of 5’9”.
So basically if they were Isaiah Thomas they couldn’t be Isaiah Thomas😂😂😂 Gotchu
isaiah benefited from his size, not saying it was easier for him but he played a different game than even a taller pg.
I mean trae young is averaging 28 and 9 and he’s only 23 in his prime he could easily average that
@@pupitre415 hes 6 1 tho
@@Zynjo7 He's clearly lying about his height though lmao. If you've seen him off the court he's 5'11 max 6'0
Hot Take: Load Management is good for basketball in the long run because players will have longer careers. Kawhi did it in the 2018-2019 season and won a championship, also helping bring balance back to the nba in the offseason. Players with injury history that don’t load manage will shorten their careers, and their years of greatness that fans get to watch
I think this is a great take honestly but imagine buying a ticket to see your favourite player months prior to the game only to realize he is on load management 😭
you know the beginning music ?
@@zmainzak which is exactly why load management should be allowed. The players would then be able to announce beforehand if they would manage load.
Shorter regular seasons
Brandon Roy played from 2006-2013 and for the most part absolutely balled out when he was playing. I would much rather remember him as an awesome player when he did play then him have been load managed his whole career and then just be known as average or look like a shell of himself because Father Time is undefeated. Not everyone has the same genetic makeup, some guys can last and play at a high level for years, others can’t, that’s life.. I’d rather see your all while you got it then see you try to save yourself for some bigger picture and stretch out your career taking all these games off. People working normal jobs don’t get to load manage or they would be out of said job for the most part. There’s other things in life bigger then basketball, your life’s not over cuz you lose a step or don’t got it no more.
Hot take: The regular season is so long and the standings with the play in is so forgiving that the players don't even try or are just too tired.
They're 100% trying. You don't make the hardest basketball league in the world giving 50% (unless you're an unbelievable prodigy). If you watch any NBA documentaries focused on players you'll see they are constantly grinding and giving the most they can on the court independent of the standings.
I honestly agree. Slim the season down to 50 games or so and watch certain teams try a lot harder. Quality over quantity
Kinda agree
I agree, give their bodies more time to rest, maybe the tickets will increase in price but the quality of the game will be better, make them care more about winning but let them be healthier to compete.
Sponsors would hate this though.
Not even a hot take this the truth
Hot take: Giannis was already the best player in the NBA before the 21-22 season started, but he was outshined by Steph and KD.
Luka is better
@@OscarUnrated Neck and Neck...Look at their teams performance when they are both absent...And you know how much of an impact Luka and Giannis have
jokic is better
@@vulcronic9818their both lottery teams they both have a big impact on their respective teams the only thing Giannis clearly has over luka is defense everything else is close
Something that goes completely unnoticed by many fans is the talent around players as they develop their game and play. Klay Thompson played his whole career on a super team, while ray allen started in a bad team that couldn’t help him. These things squander great players and skew statistics, but those are the same ones people blindly back up the lofty players of better situations. Not as much a hot take, and more of a realization most miss
Another problem is that people like to discredit HOF teammates in order to boost one player. People will talk about the Jordan era Bull’s teammates like they’re sewer water, even though they had a starting five of future HOF’ers. People also act like Stephen Curry/KD carried the warriors alone as if they weren’t arguably the single greatest NBA team ever. And you’re spot on about how people will discredit guys like Ray Allen and even Iverson just because they didn’t have a dominant team, but that’s not their fault
This is the exact reason why people look at draymond green and say the exact same thing. if green played for a scrub team instead of GSW he mightve ended up average
Klay only played a couple years with KD
Warriors wasn't a super team before that
They had chemistry and could shoot
The splash brothers
Sure but you also have to consider that klay is on a team with THE best shooter every and a handful of other fantastic players through the years which means he gets less shots when ray allen is more relied on from his team and is alowed and does take more shots
@@judahwatcher1140 My guy, they had the splash bros AND the deepest bench in the league. Iggy was a starter material gone sixth man, livingston could lead second squad solid or help lock down defensively 1st and 2nd string, Bogut who was an all star center could hold his own against any centers if going against bigger teams while McGee providing explosiveness and hustle to give him breather or keep the line small. Then you got Draymond who's an excellent facilitator mid-play that clears up any clogging during the plays. It was a super team my man
My take: The 2017-18 Rockets would have won the NBA Championship (giving Harden and CP3 their first ring) if Chris Paul wasn’t injured at Game 5 (after securing a 3-2 lead against the Warriors)
Not even hot it’s just pretty much known (from a warriors fan)
this take aint hot at all, hear it all the time
Hot take? CP3 will never win a ring.
yeah frl as a warriors fan i know we got lucky cuz the rockets that year were lethal
Needed a smarter coach
my hot take is stockton get's way too disrespected considering all people say is his all time assist record is inflated and him being number 1 in steals still doesn't show he was a good defender but that still doesn't factor in his insane durability and reliability for 19 seasons he played 10 straight 82 game seasons
Where do u put him all time PG?
I agree
@@stephanpinquiere4532 top 5, higher if you weigh his durability in
holy shit i didnt know that he played 820 straight reg season games
My friend sometimes we gotta put analytics to the side and use the eye test
My hot take:
The gap between Kobe(always portrayed as a bad teammate) and Lebron(portrayed as a good teammate) as teammates is much closer than what the media portrays it.
i always feel Lebron isn't good at elevating his teammates, but rather guiding a team with very specific role players or fringe all-stars dumbed down to specific assignments
@@mike_tkgchsDifference between the two is Lebron is not known for volume shooting when he is cold.
Both required the team to be built around them to maximise their abilities, but that is no different from any other star player. I will say Lebron had to carry teams for a lot longer than Kobe due to being a day one carry job on the Cavs. But I don't think anyone would want to carry that post Shaq mid 00s Lakers squad, I mean they are one injured Kobe away from being the 2012 Charlotte Bobcats for quality.
Kobe has worse stats in practically every way and was carried by Shaq for 3 rings.
@@thefilthduke carried is crazy
@@thefilthduke Wade carried Lebron and the 2020 season was literally the most Mickey Mouse trophy of all time from Corona virus
Hot take: Zaza injuring Kawhi indirectly ended the Warriors dynasty because if he hadn’t done that then maybe Kawhi wouldn’t have been traded to the Raptors and the Warriors would have 3 peated.
Whoa. That's some Marvel Universe timeline hot take. Interestinggg take on Zaza and Kawhi. If Kawhi never left the Raptors could have three-peated too. That's my take.
@@ddavwenagha8830 Who leaves after winning? Run it back. He chose to play for a city rather than an entire country.
jesus kind fuck dude never look led at it this way
that also means kd never tares his acl or clay…
@@xXxNinjaPenguinxXx he’s from Compton and wanted to go home but instead the Spurs shipped him out the country he was never planning on staying lol
Shawn kemp did average 0.4 more rebounds than Shaw in 1996 so I think he was far more dominant
Shaw? As in Brian Shaw?
@@armandr1613 shaq
yeah 0.4 does that really make a difference compared to Shaq?
@@imdirtydan3277 that was a joke
@@imdirtydan3277 yes absolutely. That half an extra rebound could be the deciding factor between a finals loss and a finals win. Shaq has nothing on Kemp
Hot take: with more rising stars attacking the rim, the league will transition to a big man era in the latter years this decade
it's gonna take time because this 3pt era is gonna last for a very long time, lol.
Cavs already on that trend
Bro when centers start shooting 3s better like Jokic, valanciunas etc.. and also what you said big man era is coming again
you have to remember that 3 points is better than 2 points even tho they both use a possession, AND people are still shooting less than half of them, just watch new steph curry clones shooting 55-60% from three in the future. The longer we wait, the better people are going to be at shooting threes so no, a big men era will not happen
Embiid and Jokic say you're wrong, When was the last time the NBA had 2(3 if you count Giannis) big men at their level??? Big men will keep shooting like KAT but the GREAT ones will be unstoppable with such a widespread court just like we're seeing right now.
Hot take: Jordan Poole would be a nobody in the NBA or would be in the G-League if Klay Thompson didn't get injured twice and if Steph didn't break his hand.
Knicks need to drop a PF from their team.
The hottest take ever ^^^
kobe is overrated
I would be in the nba if I was 7'5 and could shoot like curry🤷♂️
Most people would be in the NBA if they could shoot like curry, regardless of height
@@isaiahmesina4544 Do you know what a joke is
Wake up, get ready for school son
My hot take is that if the 2009-2010 Nuggets had a better coach, then they could’ve won the title one of those years. They were loaded and lacked a lot of discipline.
Nah......
You mean the Thuggets.
Don’t agree
That’s good tho
The problem with those teams was Carmelo Anthony. Period. The sob refused to play defense and was only effective on offense bc Billups was running the show so he couldn't stop the ball n use 15 secs to take a shot.
Hot take: media should absolutely NOT have the ability to vote for mvp candidates. Their success does not depend on the accuracy and/or quality of their analysis (shout out to skip, kendrick, shaq, and stephen a smith). Leave the voting to players, coaches and gm's
Klay Thompson is one of the most impactful players to a franchise. Was a staple of why the Warriors got 3 championships in 4 years. And after 2 YEARS of not even playing a NBA game he comes back like he never left and with more support than ever.
Well, his comeback took more mental strength than most players in the league have. That shows his mentality, he will stop at nothing to win, be better, he's a competitor, unfortunately not all guys are that strong.
I teared up when he came back. Never been emotional about sports like that before. He’s a once in a lifetime type of player and competitor. The NBA wasn’t right without him.
This is one of those toilet water takes Jimmy was talking bout. Klay is good, but not one of the most impactful players of all time.
Klay is the most overrated player in the league
@@tomd3540 that's a hot take...
Hot take: The Dallas Mavericks in 2011 have arguably the most underrated finals run in nba history. Everyone talks about the Heat and Lebrons collapse, but that Dallas team swept the back to back defending champs, did a gentlemans sweep on a talented OKC team that made the finals only a year later, and of course killed the big three in Miami winning 3 consecutive games. Always felt like their amazing run was overshadowed by the story of the underperforming superteam
I don't think it's underrated. In fact there are videos here on youtube about the toughest championships and I'm pretty sure they were ranked 2nd behind hakeem and drexler rockets
My hot take about that is dirk shouldn't get all the credit for that finals run his teammates stepped up big time but the narrative is he carried them
Literally everyone give credit to that run, dafuq?
Yeah maybe the statement that that team is underrated is at least as valid if not more. All in all it just seemed like people forget how solid that team actually was. Then again, this is just the narrative I’ve heard when talking about it with people. And even then its not a factual statement, people are still allowed to disagree
Bro, people really don't know what giannis can become. A study using stats, accomplishments, and career projections, Giannis is on pace to be just as good as MJ.
I told people he can go down as the greatest defensive player ever and they thought I was a joke
He got MVP and DPOY in my first 2k22 career season..
No because he's limited in the shooting aspect
@@tybones2222 he wont be forever thats the thing hes already shooting better now
@@tybones2222 you don’t need to be the greatest shooter to be the greatest player
Hot take: LeBron has the greatest ring of all time 73-9 take down.
And 2020 ring which was the hardest ring to win.
Idk if its THE greatest, but definitely in top 5 greatest ones
No
@@jayus2033hell no it wasn’t. 💀
that's not a hot take
Hot Take: MANU GINOBILI has one of the most impressive careers EVER. You just can't beat a gold medal with Argentina at the Olympics, winning against TEAM USA in the process. He is the best sixth man in NBA history, 4 times NBA champion, he should definitely have a finals mvp for 2005, and he has different titles and mvps in other leagues. I would choose every single time to win a gold medal with a country like Argentina over anything else. It's almost an impossible feat.
Spot on!
💀💀💀💀
Facts
@@zajac669 I'm hoping one day he gets the recognition he deserves. It's just impressive.
I dont disagree but IMO this isnt a “hot” take because anyone who watched basketball before stephen curry would also agree w this
Hot take: Refs should also get fined for to much bad calls and targeted one’s for X amount of time
this is not a hot take, this is something that needs to happen tbh, refs get away with so much shit
Then refs may be encouraged to make bad calls, such as if they make too many calls on x player. They may be encouraged too not make calls on x player
@@LuisCastillo-rt5nk factsss
Hot Take: Kyrie Irving is the most talented basketball player in the game, not the best but the most talented. He does things sometimes I haven't seen any other player in the league capable of doing
Kyrie curry and luka
😭 ain’t no way ur serious lmfao
Fax bro they don’t know.. Kyrie is the most skilled player to ever play the game it’s not close
Hot take: I could’ve gone pro if I didn’t sprain my left pinky toe