Honestly I think the biggest clue to Security breach’s messy story development, was the release of GGY explaining so much about the games plot and how the game doesn’t even go into it. This lead to Glamike and Gregbot being a thing because there really wasn’t any sort of answers for the obvious mysteries in the games.
Tbh Scott left in the middle of development and has a trait for being a really bad storyteller/idea person just throwing ANYTHING at the wall. He left because he was making huuuge donations to republicans and Donald Trump. Sooo Scott is kinda a POS garbage person tbh
Honestly this all sounds pretty solid to me, also I must say I really like this interpretation of Glitchtrap. He's not just trying to be Afton, he's literally trying to recreate the "franchise" itself. This could also explain Burntrap as it's not just a means of Glitchtrap trying to become real, but rather also trying to recreate the "big bad" so to speak.
I still think Glitchtrap/Mimic is a bit too simple and one-note to be one a those really good villains, but I think he works well as a slasher villain of sorts. A simple goal in mind, and killing is part of the plan.
When Scott said burntrap wasn't supposed to move, that it was supposed to be like an old movie prop. I 100% thought it was used in a scary attraction like in "Pressure" or "Dittophobia"
my assumption is that the original intention was to imply that was the husk remaining after harvesting the agony or remnant or whatever from his corpse that was likely put into the disks creating glitchtrap
tbh it sounds very weird, like why would you make a whole ass section and just have the final boss of the section and the game not be able to do anything? it would make a lot of sense for the frights pizzeria in fnaf 3, but as far as I know that's not the pizzeria the megapizzaplex was built over
I have so much respect for Scott, i really do, but him not telling Steel Wool the full story and just expecting them to put the pieces together themselves is the dumbest fucking desision I've seen from this franchise
It's absolutely ridiculous. It makes me doubt if he actually has a cohesive plot at all. He's acting like the lore is the recipe for Coke but at least Coke makes sure the factory makes the right product!!
On his reddit he complains a lot about companies that he worked with leaking things early and how much of a headache that can be for him (picture the vanny and vanessa figure revealing they're the same person), I think his thought process was "if they do what I tell them and put the assets where I tell them, without knowing the reasons, they won't know what to leak" which was definitely a choice he made, and not a good one
Ooooh, I've seen the theory floated around that the Mimic might've copied Gregory and dropped the elevator, but I've never heard the flipside before-that Gregory was scared _Cassie_ might be the Mimic and that's why he did it. That makes "we can't risk being followed" make so much more sense and I completely buy this explanation. I suspect that, following Steel Wool leaning so heavily on Glitchtrap = Afton, Scott's had to fudge the story a bit so that the Mimic was _somehow_ infected with the emotions of Afton and/or the kids, hence the memories in Help Wanted 2 and some of the sticky notes and the Nightmarionne stuff everywhere. How this happened I'm not sure, maybe something to do with Helpy judging by the drawing of him fleeing a burning building in HW2, but the method is probably gonna be a little messy given I don't think it was what Scott originally intended, just something he was sorta forced into by Security Breach.
The only wrinkle with him thinking she is the mimic, is if that security camera we can see pointed at her on the elevator doesn't work. Because it's implied that Gregory can see her through that camera.
idk how the hell dawko kept a straight face when scott revealed he didn’t tell his own dev team the plot of them game they were working on. I would’ve had a full on joker style live tv breakdown if that were me
@@ghost-pagesits been less than a month since this came out and from what ive seen the blame has started shifting towards scott but i guess its a wait and see scenario since people haven't really talked about SB much.
Because we already knew this is how it was done. Steel Wool confirmed it in an interview before the game even released. The only new information about this is that we now know it actually did lead to miscommunication.
Oh, I really love the elevator theory. I've always thought it'd be infinitely more interesting if Gregory drops the elevator, and this is a really good explanation as to why he would
I like your version of the Gregory broke the elevator on Cassy theory. Because a lot of people go the he’s evil route when he is literally a terrified child being chased by giant killer robots. If it was Gregory who broke the elevator, which I still think it’s likely the mimic, he did it because he is a scared kid. Even adults do shit out of pure fear, why do people blame Gregory for pure fear decisions?
@@Isfhrhbbb That’s true. Gregory and Vanessa are really having to make a tough decision and ultimately keeping the mimic locked down there is better for the safety of not only themselves but for others. If it is Gregory cutting the elevator, he is probably doing so with a lot of guilt since him and Cassy were friends. But her being stuck down there with the mimic is a better option than the mimic getting free if she is helped out. I can at least see where he’s coming from if he did do it. Although if Cassy survived, that is coming back to bite him and Vanessa in the future.
Because hating on children, real or fictional, is a pass time on the Internet. Cassie gets a pass because she's the nicest bean you ever did see. Part of why Gregory is my fafourite protagonist is because he's the most pro active one, even in ruin when he's not the main focus, he still does a lot of stuff, which most of them, just don't.
I never really saw Gregory as a "terrified child" in Security Breach, he was a little scared for the beginning section and then that changes and he was all excited about destroying them.
45:18 “I don’t know what’s gonna happen to her now” Simple. She’s going to become Vanny 2.0 If Gregory was the one who dropped the elevator under the impression that The Mimic was mimicking Cassie, then, in one single movement, The Mimic has not only tricked Gregory into leaving Cassie behind, but also tricked Cassie into thinking Gregory didn’t care about her. Scott said in the new interview that he hopes there’s another chance for Vanny to appear, and Cassie taking on the mantle as Vanny and hunting Gregory to take revenge for what he did to her is the perfect way to have Vanny again without retconning anything about Vanessa
Vanny is specifically "Vanessa Bunny" and he was talking about the SB Vanny so I feel it more means Vanessa isn't done being Vanny yet. I also don't see why The Mimic would 180 into brain washing/manipulation to create a minion/ally when it hasn't had time to learn to or think about doing that and moments ago was trying to kill her. If it willingly followed her to the elevator asking to leave calmly then gregory dropped the elevator to prevent both of them from leaving that would be a different story- but it's still a murderous Endo that's impulsive and brash. The Vanny 2 concept only really would make sense under a scenario I don't feel is presented in the game basically.
@@siresquawks If he doesn’t want Vanessa to be done with being Vanny, then why does he seem to be so determined to not use her? The Burntrap ending was the original canon one for SB, but was retconned into being Princess Quest ending. Help Wanted 2 also makes it seem like Vanny disappeared alongside Glitchtrap, as you pointed out. He had chances to modify the story to keep Vanessa!Vanny in it, so why didn’t he take them if he wants Vanny back? Right now, it might not make sense lore wise, but narratively wise, a Cassie!Vanny plotline would fix everything that went wrong with SB’s story. When I think about what Vanny should have been like, I find myself in a constant debate between the two main portrayals Vanny had before the game released: The angsty, demonic-possession-esque Vanny, and the creepy Afton copycat Vanny. Copycat!Vanny is the most badass variant of the character, because she’s not a puppet for Afton and has full control of her actions and her own motivations for becoming a killer. And Copycat!Vanny could have given us a very dynamic cast of characters by being a separate character from Security Gal. But it has the fatal flaw of not having a storyline as emotionally charged as Possessed!Vanny. Having Security Gal be the same as Vanny would (ideally) give us a very emotional story of Gregory bonding with Vanessa throughout the game and getting to know her and being friends, and then have a gut wrenching and horrifying reveal that Vanessa, the friendly security guard, is also Vanny the demented killer. A chilling revelation that would put us in a very emotional situation where we have to chose between saving her or leaving her behind. The emotions behind this plot are great, but this one has the fatal flaw of not making Vanny as badass as her Copycat variant, since she’s mostly a puppet of The Mimic and has no real agency. So she’s not as terrifying as she could be. So both Vannys are great, but have major flaws. Cassie!Vanny however, would be the perfect mixture between those two variants, fixing both flaws single handily. Cassie would be a Vanny that has a very personal reason to kill the player, Gregory. A very cruel and resentful Vanny who will do anything to kill the one who she thinks betrayed her. A Vanny who is cunning, cold and strategical, and has an army of murderous robots under her command, just like Copycat!Vanny. But she’s not beyond redemption. Deep inside, she’s just a broken girl who has been manipulated into villainy, into madness. And that would revive Vanessa’s original character, the kind and caring security guard she was always meant to be, explaining why she’s so aggressive even when she’s “herself” in SB. “Vannification” changes you, wears you down, twists your head. It’s also the perfect excuse to explain why Cassie became so resentful and so set into killing Gregory, and why she needs to be stopped and saved. It has the same emotional story as Possessed!Vanny. Literally the plot we all thought SB was going to have, but 10 times better. Cassie!Vanny is the superior, and most terrifying Vanny by far. She’s the perfect way to have Vanny back without over complicating the plot and having an amazing set of characters. It shows us Gregory as the hero he was meant to be, gives Vanessa the perfect redemption arc by saving Cassie from suffering the same fate as her, and has Glamrock Freddy as the emotional support. All the pieces are literally there, the perfect storyline that would fix everything that went wrong in modern FNAF, if you’re willing to look past the technicalities you mentioned. Also, Cassie can be perfectly mixed with Vanny, since both names end with an “E” sound. Vanny + Cassie = Vannie. It may sound silly right now *But mark my words.*
I like your take on Gregory's character. Everyone sees in him an evil destroyer or something, although if a 2 meters tall killer robot was after me I would have exploded it or something similar
This is pretty much my exact interpretation of SteelWool era story. Definitely gonna refer people to this vid. Also I never though about the wall code in the context of Vannesa and Gregory but I really love how you explained it. I think it improves both characters
This all makes a lot of sense. Honestly, I think we need a new security breach, AKA what security was SUPPOSED to be, to take the place of the current security breach in the canon.
Or maybe we need the story as Steel Wool could have developped it without Scott stepping in to change things after the fact without including them. Scott doesn't seem to have a vision or the ability to communicate this vision to a self-sabotaging degree.
I think the Glitchtrap ending in HW2 is actually a RECREATION of the All-Staff meeting, he might've died, found himself in the VANNI/Pizzaplex network and doesn't have any memory or voice. Like in the books and stuff, when someone dies, they lose their memories or something like that. The Vanny ending is basically all digital (obviously) He's already in the network and he beats PQ (alpha/4), not only FULLY freeing Vanessa but also entirely deleting Glitchtrap from existence. I don't think Vanny (the personality) is separated or it's own thing now. I think when she disappears into the darkness, it implies that Vanny also doesn't exist anymore.
That’s a really interesting theory, also I always thought vanny crushing glitch trap was Vanessa going back to him in her old suit pretending to still be under his command/trying to save him after PQ3 but then she finally gets rid of him for good
In regards to the elevator fall, it's possible that it isn't even Gregory that drops the elevator. In the room you leave the Mimic in, there are exposed electrical components for the elevator. And, at least to me, it makes more sense for something that is physically present in the scene to tamper with the elevator physically to make it fall, rather than Gregory being able to do it from some nebulous other location. People do point to the game files labeling Gregory and the Mimic impersonating Gregory with different names; but that could just be a quirk of how the game developed. We know from unused content left in the game files that Ruin was meant to have a different ending, with Cassie escaping through a vent rather than the elevator, and Gregory telling her to "make sure she isn't being followed" Which is slightly different, but still lines up with the same number of dialogue lines. So it's possible that they could have simply swapped out the audio and subtitles without tweaking the code because most people aren't going to be checking the code anyway.
This should be the new defacto understanding of the series , it's so thorough and makes sense on so many levels and actually somehow feels neat and tidy
I think it may make sense that in the short time period before Vanessa is completely under the control of glitchtrap, she starts Gregory on the process of freeing himself, and than once he's free he does the same for Vanessa
First and last time I'm hating on Scott because: Vanny could have been a great villain, and SB had the potential to be a even better game, if Scott said the story to Steel wool from the start they wouldn't scrap the game and rework the story, Burntrap was unnecessary, he shouldn't even exist tbh. Since 2021 Steel wool has been getting hate bc of all of that, it wasn't even their fault. (Bring Vanny back)
I believe that Glitchtrap is the agony and memories formed from the missing children brought to life using the mimic program. In hw2, you literally have to collect memories to form Glitchtrap and he gives you the memories. And the yellow rabbit from into the pit is also a being made of agony created from the memories of the missing children
Gregory is rhe kind of character to be given the trolly problem, and hed pull it without question, and deel with the consiquences as they come, as long as more people are safe coming out because of his actions, he seems to be the type to take it.
Blowing up, doing backflips and cartwheels SOMEONE FINALLY SAYS THAT BOTH VANESSA AND GREGORY WERE MIND CONTROLLED AND THEREFORE ARE NOT TRULY EVIL!!! I Could die right now happy. I wish i could put reaction images in youtube comments Btw just throwing it out there, what if its Cassidy is being represented by Nightmarion? Like how Michael was represented by Foxy as foxy bro in fnaf 4 and in the logbook but changes into a white bear in pizza sim in the cutscenes + helpy. Idk just a thought!
Same about the "Gregory-mind-control" thing. When people talked about him being evil towards the animatronics, its like they, sometimes, force themselves to forget that HE IS A CHILD, and is stuck in a place filled robots that want to MURDER HIM. It also always rubbed me the wrong way that MatPat would constantly try to make him out as a robotic copy of the Crying Child, when it was narratively easier to explain him as being a fascimile for him, taken by Glitchtrap to fill in the role, and mindcontrolled to work for him.
I think Nightmarionne is what William views as death, or something similar to that He’s forever haunted by the first person he killed, which is why it appears as UCN icon, it’s his own hell and is where he dies
@@ThisIsAHandle-xz5yo I don't think Nightmarrione would be his version of Death as a being, since its the spirit of Golden Freddy holding him in that limbo state. Scott may have chosen the nightmare version of the Puppet to be part of rhe app face, because of its simple, yet spooky, design.
So basically Scott not telling Steel Wool, the developers of the game, what the plot was and only giving them vague pieces to put together themselves lead to Steel Wool interpreting it a certain way different from how he envisioned. Yeah I kinda think Scott needs to reevaluate how he manages these projects, Security Breach basically needs a complete redo to actually make it coherent now. Personally I think Steel Wool's initial direction while not for everyone was better and the only reason it became such a mismanaged mess is because of this very poor direction and communication.
Scott said in the same interview he's already course corrected with Ruin and HW2. His original vision didn't get into SB but the story that SB ended up with is the canon one and the one that he's going forward with. There's no need to redo anything
scott presumably already reevaluated how he manages. ruin and hw2 werent a mess and him publically talking about how he messed up clearly shows that he knows it didnt work its a very weird sentiment to throw around. you're too late to tell the guy that he fucked up as he's the one explicitly telling you how he fucked up, i dont get why so many people (ive seen others too) act like this is a revelation that scott needs to come to. it wouldve been far more appropriate to act this way back when a few years ago there were rumours about how scott didnt tell steel wool enough, but if your source is literally the guy talking about past mistakes then pointing that he needs to change is just stupid
@@janno7214 That's still a bit of a tragedy nonetheless, as it means the actual story Scott intended is just gone now. I would really like to know what the story he actually intended was, and where things would have gone if his vision was properly realized. Because as it currently stands, that means that a loosely taped together glorified fanfiction story made by people other than Scott who were trying to just stitch clues they didn't understand together creating a whole mess is the canon story and a big chunk of the official lore alongside all the other stories in the canon lore that were actually made by Scott according to his vision. And going forward with that just really sucks and doesn't sit right with me.
I sincerely think the entire narrative of Security Breach onwards is Scott wanting to step forward and be more sci-fi with the horror elements. That now we're seeing what happens if Remnant infects metal, but not just simple machines...entire circuitboards, computers, and advanced AI hosted within machines. So the mimic's behavior is certainly more than JUST an AI, but something powered by Remnant/Agony/Whatever juju that keeps it running ( seemingly since the 1970s ) Knowing that the original context of the series was a tongue in cheek satire of capitalism, the Mimic is likely being exploited by ignorance. Fazbear thinks they have a useful AI on their hands, but they don't realize what they are doing is infecting countless entities with agony and remnant, confusing magic and technology. Which is how we get to FNAF AR onwards.
@@huguesdepayens807 In the context of what I said, sure: Referring to a Fazbear often forsaking safety in pursuit of profits. Or not treating something as a problem until someone dies of it. Which mimics real life labor jobs throughout history.
@@huguesdepayens807that's an abstraction of capitalism on paper, in practice and in history it has many contradictions and inadequacies. fnaf clearly parodies how corporate entities cover their ass when caught in legal controversy and cut corners where they think they can get away with it or go to lengths to obscure the truth and silence dissent.
I really love the interpretation of Balloon World not dewing anything after glitching it out being because Gregory had already freed himself before hand. I did feel like it *had* to mean something, even if it didnt dew anything, otherwise it would have just been cut like a lot of other stuff in SB. I still think its also meant to imply that the Daycare Attendant is especially influenced or connected to the Glitchtrap virus, but now Im also curious why Moon seems to be Vanny's "claw" in HW2 if he is under control of Glitchtrap/The Mimic?
I'll be honest that this was definitely one of the most compelling theories about SB as a whole. Is it irritating that after the Dawko interview we are kinda just forced to dump everything of what we thought we knew about Security Breach as a whole into the proverbial dumpster? Yeah pretty much, but at least we have a much more achievable narrative exists now to what ever we had before.
If secret of the mimic isn’t carnival themed that could possibly be the biggest fumble oat they’ve been setting a carnival theme since ruin now. I heard it takes place in a toy factory which unless they do sum crazy stuff it could be a fumble
All the "SB doesn't tell the story the way it is" it's been HAUNTING ME for weeks i SWEAR we need a remaster of that game with the actual story bcs all this makes SB basically NOT CANON? HUH? I just need scott to say that the story of sb isn't canon i need to relax bcs this is actually making me going crazy, i just need anyone to confirm that the story didn't change only bcs SB was bad written pls plsplsplsplsaposslkdsodnwpwk
see, this video and the conclusions you come to under this new context and line of thinking has singlehandedly made me enjoy FNAF lore again. I had been a believer of the idea of the mimic/glitchtrap being this AI software that's trying to make the original FNAF games a reality in its world, and I feel so incredibly vindicated by seeing a theorist I admire so much coming to a similar conclusion xD when I first saw the lore brought in in HW2 I absolutely hated it and was so confused by it all, and then into the pit happened and by that point I was basically like "aight I'm out y'all have fun." with the lore. But then watching this video made everything confusing that I hated about the lore (glitchtrap's death, vanny being sidelined and largely cut from her own story, etc etc.) actually work and feel genuinely super satisfying and something I actually really enjoy. hell, I'm not even annoyed by Gregory being patient 46 which is something I have absolutely detested has turned into something I'm actually kinda vibing with now under this interpretation of events. and I kinda really love the interpretation of gregory dropping the elevator out of fear that its the mimic in there and not cassie. TL;DR- this is a damn good video and a damn good theory mate, well done :D
Even though it might not have been Scott’s original vision, I still think we should take what’s in Security Breach as important and canon, since it *is* the game that got released. Especially since this isn’t just Scott’s series anymore, and disregarding an entire game just because it’s not what one person involved wanted feels wrong. I’m not saying that’s what this video is doing, I’m just saying I’ve seen people start treating Security Breach like it’s non canon ever since the interview came out and it bothers me.
My only counterargument: The mimic is the only one we see with access to the elevator system, the battery pack, and we have no idea is Gregory is even in the building, but is likely not
Bear in mind even after Glitchtrap is gone from the mimic, the mimic is supposed to LEARN from things, so it's very possible the afton part was left behind, but luring and killing children (a tactic Afton used a lot) was learnt by it and that's why there so much manipulation through Ruin
I feel in ruin it was more to show the Mimic's basic intelligence. It was trapped and could only be freed by an outside force- so it figured out and found a source to follow mimicing Vanessa and Gregory talking on the walkie talkie to trap it- meaning something like that could *untrap* it. Glitchtrap would probably try to continue to trick Cassie even once free- the Mimic 180d the moment it didn't need her anymore.
@@siresquawks I think what im arguing more is about how story wise, with glitchtrap gone from his programming, the mimic is did not just revert back to its original state, but rather, it learnt from glitchtrap some things making it a combination of both and pushing the narrative closer to what we see in the books. My personal headcanon is the direction of fnaf blurrying the lines betwee real human emotions and artifical code simulating it. So i believe the mimic is not gone in Ruin per say, but rather, it will become a new being which is not 'sentient' by possesion, but by learning behaviour. Kind of like what we were being told a bit with the whole Robot replacing human theme in the books
@@siresquawks AND another fun thing to point out. If the staff bots are infected with the glitchtrap virus, and the virus INTERPRETS things from afton's life, then I can INFER (i dont have solid evidence, just narrative threaths) that the Staff bots knew via the glitchtrap virus, which knew from vague Afton information that the Puppet 'gave life' to animatronics. Stick with me a bit. From Afton's perspective, the puppet brought back all the agony he caused in form of the animatronics, he would see the puppet as something to fear as it gave life back to his victims. He would then be curious and experiment with the scooper and the rest is just SL. But Afton knew how dangerous the puppet could be. The staff bots knew of an entity (the puppet) that could bring to life robotics so now, with vague information about this entity, they praise Nightmarionne, as Help Wanted has only an idea of the Puppet FROM Afton's perspective. Idk if I made sense but tlfr Nightmarionne is an interpretation of what Afton noticed in the puppet, now in the Staffbots via the glitchtrap virus
@@BonusDuckie Fnaf6 throws in a huge curveball. Remember that poster with Afton, the puppet, tbe bear, and the clown? It’s implying that the puppet was already possessed by William and he desperately crawled up to Charlie’s body. So the puppet was a two-in-one deal, just like GF. Likewise, Baby thought Scraptrap wasn’t her father, and instead identified Henry Emily as her father. Implying something very weird about both Scraptrap and Henry. Scraptrap potentially being another two-in-one thing, except the wicked mind in control isn’t William and is potentially sabotaged by him (note the body is below the standards of William’s craft).
@@justice8718 Could you explain further your thought process? It's not clear to me how you drew the conclusion that the puppet was already possesed by William. I understand the idea of that puppet being under Williams control but couldnt that be Michael being manipulated by William? Overall I think that image is a red herring as the bear has no real connection? And the clown could be Baby but Baby is a Jester not a clown? seems like a really weird image overall but it is a curveball. I just fail to see the connection here
I am kinda iffy about the elevator sequence cause of the thing next to the speaker that appears smaller in size directed at Cassy with in the elevator. It may not look like a speaker but I am not gonna say it’s unquestionably a camera either cause it sorta doesn’t look like one and has more akin to something similar in appearance to the mimics eye (also not saying it’s unquestionably is a mimic eye).
looks like a gopro style camera, it could be one, but it could just as well be something else. idk if a gopro in an old freight elevator would make sense
I think the Jeremy written on the walls in the theater is a reference to one of comedy bot's routines, where he mentions a child named "little Jeremy". Idk, though.
When Scott said that Burntrap was never meant to move, my mind instantly went to Eveline from RE7. Because of way she was behind everything, and the way we were meant to believe the Bakers were the big bad and then at the end it's revealed to be her. That kind of fits with how Burntrap and Vanny were supposed to be portrayed. With Burntrap being like the old woman.
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Y'know... thinking about it... One of the main evidence pieces against talesgames was that the Pizzaplex in Tales appears very different to what we see in Security Breach.... but if Security Breach is missing a lot of the story Scott wanted, then it missing set pieces like the Roller Coaster would make a lot of sense... and this confirmation kind of weakens that argument in my head because of that. I wonder if Into The Pit is telling us that Frightsgames is also true then.
the pizzaplex looking different has never been a good argument because the pizzaplex is stated plenty to be changing in attractions and getting extentions built. even ingame like half the pizzaplex is closed for construction. in VIP the daycare doesnt exist yet for instance (yes i know its more recent but still)
VIP introduced Very Important Pig, a version of the Mimic/Glitchtrap (we think at least) and ya wanna know the type of cipher that’s in the Michael room is? A PIG-PEN CIPHER. Dude could this have anything to do with anything to solve that room?
After what Scott said about him not being upfront to SW with the story, I think that may have been the reason why the game was delayed so much. Knowing Scott, he has learned his lesson and is keeping a close eye with SW for Secret of the Mimic and help progress the game.
I would also like to say something that may be a hot take: SW and Scott should make a SB remake after some time has passed so Scott could give Steel Wool the actual story and make the story make sense.
Whatever the modern FNAF story is, it's proof that FNAF can't afford to be vague anymore. Every insane debate we've gotten from the games post-UCN have been fueled by a lack of clarity from Scott and Steel Wool. As a result, we've seen the modern story be reinterpreted over and over and over again, and each one might be equally valid because answers don't exist according to Scott. If the story they're going with is really about this terrible Mimic endoskeleton in all his Gary Stu glory, then at the very least be up front about it instead of leaving us to speculate, argue, and harass each other for over a year.
you can literally apply this to comment to old fnaf too. there is no proof fnaf cant be vague anymore because nothing is different. just because years down the line there are a few generally accepted theories for old fnaf doesnt mean that back then it wasnt as vague and ever changing as now, and besides, theres still plenty of alternative readings on old fnaf even to this day. (and things that are not solved/hotly debated/dead ends) edit: the only thing you can point at to being notably different, which others have done, is that nowadays there is more debate about what fnaf media is and isnt "canon" to the main game story, but even that isnt entirely true as the silver eyes trilogy is pretty old, and has been used as direct evidence, indirect evidence, and not used/discounted as evidence plenty in theories before. i'd say its a little different now but not THAT much worse
@@Sopsy_Hallow The difference here is that the franchise has evolved from its roots. It’s no longer just Scott making these games. It’s entire teams of people that can and did get in the way of the story Scott wants to tell. Despite quite a few aggravating mysteries, things could be pieced together more easily than almost anything in Security Breach. Plus, Bendy proved that being more direct is a better approach with Dark Revival; so FNAF really should pick up the slack.
the dragon ball super reference is lowkey perfect in comparison to fnaf's simultaneous disconnection and connection of certain plot points and you just kinda have to go with it to enjoy the game
You touched on it very briefly in one of your earlier patient 46 videos, but while Glitchtrap is supposed to be a perfect copy of Afton, I do kinda like the idea of it specifically choosing Vanessa and especially Gregory to try and rebuild the Afton family. And I don’t mean this to say because it’s what Afton would do, but if I’m using your logic right, this “branch off” of the mimic would still be based on the childish impatient base version. Maybe this is something that differentiates GT from William in that it wants to experience having a family in that ai wanting to be human way? This would be why there’s stuff like the table Staff bots of the Aftons (would especially explain why CC is depicted with no head; it takes the fact that was bitten and amps it up like the mimic usually does), it may be why it specifically tries to rewrite Vanessas past to be similar to Elizabeth and likely Gregory too, and I… think Mikes room and it just didn’t get to doing Mike yet? Or idk maybe it somehow knows Mike betrayed William? I mean i don’t say this like it really knows what family means, it’s essentially still manipulating and using them the same way William would, but still the idea that it even bothered to try and do it like this in the most warped version of “I will put you back together” possible is interesting. Idk if that’ll be the case, but I like that take on it. Funnily enough, it’d loop back around to that idea that someone’s trying to recreate the Afton family people were focused on, just not for any reason expected (also it’d potentially mean that this crazy ai copy of Afton would care about more his kids than he ever did in a weird way 😅).
4:03 Regarding Burntrap, I havent seen anyone else mention this, but I wonder if Burntrap was supposed to act kind of like G-Man from Half Life 1 specifically.
G-man is definitely the closest comparison I can think of. A character who is basically treated as an Easter egg, who can only be spotted by standing around in specific locations that would seem random to an average player.
Either this Jeremy is Jeremy number 4 or this is Jeremy from fnaf 2 which could also work since if he was the 87 bite victim that would mean he still lived and just lost his memory of what he did in the past and lived a much happier life unlike Micheal
My problem with Gregory in Security Breach is that the game never made me feel like he MUST destroy the animatronics, he also doesn't seem that scared either.
With the recent theory identifying CC’s name to be Dave/David, is it possible that if in games continuity someone other than Edwin made the mimic, could it have been afton instead? The parallel there wouldn’t be super clean in terms of personality or behavior, but it could partially help to explain the mimics knowledge of the old yellow rabbit costume pre Fazbears. Granted knowing the costume could just be explained by him predating fazbears is seen in secrets of the mimic, but idk
This has honestly been a theory of mine for some time with FuhNaff and several other theorists on TH-cam pointing out the remarkable similarities this era of FNAF games has to the Silver Eyes trilogy. Particularly, Henry having created the Charlie Bots with William taking one as his own. I could be 100% wrong; but, I'm wondering if The Mimic was an early attempt by William to "put [his son] back together" before he abandoned it? William in the books was eager to replicate Henry's ability to create life after all.
@@Takejiro24 I don’t know, first of all the new game would suggest that the mimic predated the death of Dave/David as he died presumably around 83 but the new game is in 79, plus I don’t think Afton really cared enough about the Crying Child to legitimately try and put him back together. He may have convinced himself he cares but if he did he wouldn’t have neglected all his kids and gotten each of them killed, he was always just self interested and had an inflated ego, thinking himself immortal, only boosting said ego when he actually became immortal, only for him the burn up twice and be finished because of his own recklessness. Now presumably his robot that had been keeping some part of him alive is now cleansed and free to do as it pleases.
I don't like Cassie's dad being named Jeremy. It makes it so that there are like four Jeremys in this franchise. A Jeremy who may or may not have lost his frontal lobe, A Jeremy who really likes a bunny rabbit, A Jeremy who posses a bunny rabbit, A Jeremy who gets possessed by a bunny rabbit. (and a Jeremy who did graffiti in the theater of the pizzaplex)
7:00 I think that was the end of GlitchTrap as a Program. Glitchtrap is NOW vanny.. It lives inside of the person now, assuming its no longer Vennessa. I think Cassie is now lost her body and will become Glitchtrap/Vanny. We'll need PQ 4-5-6 to free her next time.
So the mimic we see in ruin was glitchtrap but got factory reset by cassie's dad and vanny? Neat, i like it. Maybe if future games follow up on the differences between the empathetic cassie and the pragmatic gregory, there'll be an opportunity to like rehabilitate the mimic or give it different training data, and make it not a murder bot. I do have a question though. Whats up with the Tangle? Ruin and HW 2 were course correcting the lore, but besides one blink and you'll miss it easter egg in Ruin, its nowhere to be seen. It makes me wonder if it was entirely a steel wool creation.
I have had a theory about M.X.E.S.'s acronym. For me i believe that M.X.E.S. is what the mimic 02 line was run on explaining why it can trap the mimic as the program acts like a hivemind. So in my opinion is that M.X.E.S. stands for Mimic.eXternal.Endoskeleton.System.
Good video. Very brave of you to try and make sense of this game head-on after it's lore was basically confirmed almost unusable instead of just giving up like me. 😂
I reeeeaaaly miss when this series was about haunted animatronics. Coming from that era of Fnaf, I feel like I only understood half of what was going on here
this honestly all reminds me of the theory about how the observer (false gabriel) in mandela catalogue might be attempting to either recreate or possibly even just create in reality the events of the bible for whatever reason, and im all for it in fnaf too
5:30 Jeremey is Bonnie Bro? We're seeing a lot of the other Bros come back, I wonder what will happen with Michaels friends... they all went into trying to make sure that bite of 83 never happened again. There is good Evidence that Oswalt's father is Freddy Bro, Michael was Foxy Bro, Jeremey is Bonnie bro...
Hot take Glitchtrap and Burntrap being Afton instead because of Cassidy's focus on revenge letting him persist and come back is the far better story IMO. I don't like how FNAF has moved away from supernatural horror or really the Mimic at all.
I agree with this theory, the only things I'd say work better is the Mimic code is a branch off the original as the code used was not scanned from the actual Mimic making the og Mimic gaining control of all Glitchtrap did in Security Breach but limited by the nodes. I think Glitchtrap is also interacting with William's agony left over from Fazbear Entertainment using the remains of FNAF 6. Everything else I see very accurate
I'd say if you have something to say you can't find anywhere else go for that in particular. TH-cam's kinda a guessing game and you don't know what will and won't stick- so the safest bet is to make something you'd enjoy watching. The only other big point I have is *Audio* I SUCK at audio and it's one of the things I work on the most and pays off the most. Speaking naturally and sounding good or professional enough is huge and immediately shows what level of experience someone has. Even just putting a noise suppression filter on OBS or other audio capture software can do a LOT for a video.
I don't think so as the "Mannequins" in dittophobia just look like lame versions of their nightmare counterparts- they still have the bear, chicken, fox, and rabbit suits on- they were still the nightmares just not as scary and more clearly fake and aren't described as having the tear trails and glowing eyes or "In your dreams" text.
I’ve always been of the opinion that for some fnaf games there’s the possibility of multiple endings being canon. I especially think this applies to HW2 considering the endings aren’t all about outcomes for the same character, instead as you said the neutral ending is showing how Jeremy got put into the system, and the vanny ending then showing how he helps vanny to free herself from glitchtrap. I also think the order of these events is self explanatory because i don’t think it’s possible for you to get the PQ4 vanny ending before you get the neutral? Please correct me if I’m wrong since I don’t have the game and I haven’t seen this point be brought up before!
You can get the Vanny ending as soon as you can get the 6 memory dolls- which is any time after unlocking the faz wrench- including before getting the main ending. That said on your first playthrough you will almost always get the normal ending first.
The wall code bugs the hell out of me. All that weird phrasing makes me think it's an actual code rather than just something meaningful, like the words are being chosen for their letters. But I can't find anything there.
FNAF got so weird and confusing after Scott went so hands-off. I wish he controlled it more closely so we could have a more coherent story, or at the very least clarified details sometimes.
@@pretender1456 I'd like to believe that but he said he didn't even play Help Wanted 2, so he's still pretty hands-off It rather seems like the games are becoming less connected, perhaps to reduce the risk of having those problems, but that also makes them less interesting for me unfortunately
ave seen a reddti post.makes sence. greagory playing and deffetting princess quest leads to Mimic, Not playing the princess quest doesnt defeat glich trap and he gets created in the power tube and attacked by mengle
Everytime I see Scotts Avatar all I can think of is the intellivision, and the mess of the Amigo. VERY INTERESTING STORY but it must have sucked or the people who kick started it. Was scott part of that? I can see him putting in money for that, just for a the Avatar he uses.
He also said that the short story’s were just creepy ideas he had that to me feels heavily implied they aren’t canon they are just fun creepy ideas with a fnaf coat of paint
I’m sure Nightmarionne is more likely representing the Grim Reaper throughout the game, kinda like how Burntrap would be there for a glimpse but disappears. So with SOTM, I think the Mimic’s creator would be a perfect foil of Henry. Idk about Tales Games, but I’m gonna assume William would fit the bill, and this takes me back to the Caesar quote: “The evil that men do lives after them; The good is oft interred with their bones” And now Nightmarionne’s quote from UCN: “I am the fearful reflection of what you have created” So if Glitchtrap is mimicking William after all, Nightmarionne would be the agony of death that has lived throughout Fazbear’s life while living through Mimic and the mimic clones, while the good in it has died out from the FFPS fire and thus showing that William’s legacy had lived on afterwards. It’s just speculation that’ll be debunked in the future.
Ok hear me out. But the mimic, mimics things right? And was originally broken and sealed into fragments by tape girl. What if the arcade cabinets of princess quest need to be beat to free Vanessa because the mimic used the same method on her, fragmenting parts of her consciousness and hiding them away inside of a game as the virus merged with her to form Vanny.
How about the fact the controls for the elevator was right next to where cassy entered the elevator, with the mimic right behind her, the Gregory voice lines also over lap each other before the elevator fell
6:15 so do you think Cassie's dad isnt Jeremy the beta tester from HW1? I dont have a horse in this race and I dont think it like overly matters, besides being what candy cadet's story means, but im curious about your thoughts.
I doubt it kinda unless Jeremy 3 (HW1 Jeremy)'s face was stitched back on and he survived Glitchtrap- especially when he's talked about in past tense in HW1 which is before the pizzaplex is even built much less far enough along for him to work there after it was destroyed. The pieces don't really add up.
I mean David is nothing like the bite victim tbh other than being a child with a plush. And it’s less “99” and more “54%” confirmed as the initial leap to get the numbers is still there.
@@siresquawks Dave is pretty compelling considering it’s using the correct algorithm and ties in with the mirror in the book. There’s much less of a leap than there was with the original solution.
Fnaf lore has really gotten so convoluted it's not even fun anymore. Makes me sad that there is no clear throughline for the games, it's all over the place. I'm someone who's been here since the first game but idk if i even care anymore
Do you think Jeremy (Cathy's Dad) may have stayed in contact with Michael and helped him and Henry? Or that he was totally independent doing his own thing?
Michael didn’t involve himself in fnaf6. William himself is a far stranger character when you realize the story implies that he basically split himself off into different Williams, akin to Charlie being off into three different Charlies. Fnaf6 showcases three different ones, Scraptrap, the puppet (implied in the posters with William holding a dummy of himself to explain why it can roam around on its own), and the one who shows up at the end of fruity maze (his and Susie’s reflections are not a part of the arcade game, they are there because Susie is playing the game and William is watching her play the game). UCN flat out implies that something isn’t right about William’s soul, that it’s minuscule. Harry Potter horcrox logic.
I seriously don’t believe Gregory dropped the elevator. He wasn’t even in the building. The Mimic was in the building and near the elevator’s power supply. At some point during Cassie’s conversation with “the real Gregory” the Mimic took back over Mimicked Greg’s voice and then dropped the elevator. Greg might have had motive but he had neither means nor opportunity. The Mimic had both means and opportunity to drop the elevator.
Gregory is a hacker who hacks a staffbot elsewhere in ruin (Easter egg) and has plans to the area. He absolutely could. The mimic doesn’t gain anything by dropping the elevator From where I’m standing. It just traps itself and kills Cassie- it could’ve just made the elevator slowly lower back down then kill her- instead it goes nuclear for no reason.
@@siresquawks you said it yourself the Mimic is both very impulsive and a known killer. Dropping the elevator was as easy as yanking a single wire. (It’s a poorly designed elevator but that’s not a surprise). Mimicking somebody’s friend and then killing them is a thing the Mimic does in the books. Yes “going nuclear” is poor planning on the Mimic’s part but as you said this isn’t Glichtrap this is the impulsive childish Mimic. Children aren’t great at planning far ahead. I’m not saying that there is no chance Greg did it. I’m just saying it’s something the Mimic would and could do and I personally believe it did.
Ok i do think you reinterpretation of SB lore dose make sense if we assume that steel woll retconned and abandoned all the presumably incorrect story elements and features in the game. However i don't feel comfortable just retconning away the mistakes of SB story. Massive things like burntraps design and story use just seems to large to sweep under the rug. It's not like small change of Roxys face design in ruin, its a whole character ether disappearing or getting replaced by a nother. I just think its to easy to just have SB messy story be retconned completely without any consequences for future titles. If they did retconned a lot of SB that would mean a lot of theories that use parts of SB for evidence are worthless now due to it now not being usabile lore anymore.
I'm going back and forth on that a lot but a deceptive amount is still usable- it's just hard to ignore burntrap's hand going back to that room and the connections with orange eyed helpi being another thing previously glitchtrapped. If they are meant to be separate they haven't given a clue to where burntrap is now. Until we get a change or addition to the story this is the best I can do.
@@siresquawksassuming everything the Glitchtrap virus infected/controlled disconnected after being deleted from the system in the princess quest ending I think burntrap probably is still sitting slumped over in his charging station. The door is still shut as if he never leaft. The only thing that might be a problem with this kind of view is the we can't make out we're burntrap is in the charging station. I think it's probably to foggy and dark in there to make out any shapes, but it's still a valid point for people to have doubts about. The one thing that always bugged me about all the mimic=burntrap theories is that ignoring the possibility of steel woll changing the burntrap endo design is that the mimic can't geometrical fit in to burntrap without swapping out 95% or more of its body parts. His body we see in ruin is just to rigid and sold in ruin to to the squeezing and bending to fit in to burntrap. Unlike sister location endos were the designs for the endo were made with shape shifting in mide the mimic dosint have any outside of extendable arms. And just having him were costumes isn't strong enough evidence to prove his ability to squeeze in to a already occupied spring lock suit. And looking at how childish he acts I doubt he is able to just disassemble and rebuild himself to make himself fit any sut he's to big for.
It's all nice, but Mimic idea how it show in SB is just stupid. HOW does it copied William and his actions, if there is NO purple guy mini games and even if there was them, why copy random killer, instead of ANYONE else? But you know what stupider? Going underground, angering Mimic somehow and SOMEHOW trapping it, just how?
It’s not because of William, but the rumors about him they formed material for. Although the movies and the books display the image of William going around to kill with a rabbit costume, for the games, fnaf2 and fnaf3 suggest that the MCI killer didn’t wear the costume (because the suit was too dangerous to wear under any standards and he clearly wasn’t wearing one in the fnaf2 minigames) or/and the rabbit suit itself was already possessed and killed the children, making Afton ironically one of its most recent victims that fallen into its trap. Into the pit showcases a “William Afton” that lost its mind in rage by realizing that he doesn’t actually know anything about him.
Yea it's always that part about the whole mimic1=Glitchtrap theories that bugs me to no end. There are dozens of characters to copy but no he only conveniently mimic Afton who mind you only shows up as springtrap doing his fnaf 3 stuff. If Glitchtrap was a out of control AI program he would have been a amalgamation of all the characters characteristics and behavior and not just Afton. Also how dose the mimic1 AI program even managed to possess people if he was only made to generate stories and NPC pathfinding. Unless you resort to comparing him to tiger rock who can do that it should be impossible for him to possess people. Also Glitchtraps plan was to deliberate and patiently planed out. He could have spent months or even years playing ahead go to that one specific pizzaplex were below the fnaf 6 location resides, to ultimately repair and repossess what remains of scraptrap. It would make a lot more sense that Afton was Glitchtrap because he isn't looking for any new body but his old body in the fnaf 6 location. I just don't see the mimic having that kind of determination and patience to do such a thing. Especially when the mimic is known to be childish and impatient, like we see him act out when Cassie was talking to long which would have potentially blown his cover if Cassie had paid more close attention. So I don't see him having the patience to plan such long complicated operation and succeeding to take over the pizzaplex. Just comparing the two Glitchtrap is patient and smart. The mimic is impulsive,childish and impatient. That kind of switch of character behavior just seem to abrupt to make sense.
Most likely didn’t have control the ai is programmed to do that so chances are he couldn’t which is kinda sad asf bc he watched his daughter fall for the same thing he did.
the quote at the beginning honestly frustrates me so much like. It sounds like the only reason they told the story differently was probably that Scott didn’t actually communicate what he actually specifically wanted. Sounds like he gave them a bunch of specific small bits and hints ???
Honestly I think the biggest clue to Security breach’s messy story development, was the release of GGY explaining so much about the games plot and how the game doesn’t even go into it. This lead to Glamike and Gregbot being a thing because there really wasn’t any sort of answers for the obvious mysteries in the games.
Tbf, the books felt more like homework cuz of SB and Tales drama
Tbh Scott left in the middle of development and has a trait for being a really bad storyteller/idea person just throwing ANYTHING at the wall. He left because he was making huuuge donations to republicans and Donald Trump. Sooo Scott is kinda a POS garbage person tbh
Honestly this all sounds pretty solid to me, also I must say I really like this interpretation of Glitchtrap. He's not just trying to be Afton, he's literally trying to recreate the "franchise" itself.
This could also explain Burntrap as it's not just a means of Glitchtrap trying to become real, but rather also trying to recreate the "big bad" so to speak.
Ngl, this video made Glitchtrap my favorite Steel Wool villain now
The only problem is that fnaf 6 does not appear in help wanted at all.
He has no way to know and mimic what happened to Afton
I still think Glitchtrap/Mimic is a bit too simple and one-note to be one a those really good villains, but I think he works well as a slasher villain of sorts. A simple goal in mind, and killing is part of the plan.
When Scott said burntrap wasn't supposed to move, that it was supposed to be like an old movie prop. I 100% thought it was used in a scary attraction like in "Pressure" or "Dittophobia"
I feel like he was supposed to be like shadow Freddy from FNAF 2
my assumption is that the original intention was to imply that was the husk remaining after harvesting the agony or remnant or whatever from his corpse that was likely put into the disks creating glitchtrap
@@twisted_autumn that would be a pretty cool example of agony harvesting, certainly would explain the scooper in ruin
tbh it sounds very weird, like why would you make a whole ass section and just have the final boss of the section and the game not be able to do anything? it would make a lot of sense for the frights pizzeria in fnaf 3, but as far as I know that's not the pizzeria the megapizzaplex was built over
@@Creator-gk5rvWho’s to say HE was the final boss? For all we know it could’ve been vanny or tangle
I have so much respect for Scott, i really do, but him not telling Steel Wool the full story and just expecting them to put the pieces together themselves is the dumbest fucking desision I've seen from this franchise
It's absolutely ridiculous. It makes me doubt if he actually has a cohesive plot at all. He's acting like the lore is the recipe for Coke but at least Coke makes sure the factory makes the right product!!
On his reddit he complains a lot about companies that he worked with leaking things early and how much of a headache that can be for him (picture the vanny and vanessa figure revealing they're the same person), I think his thought process was "if they do what I tell them and put the assets where I tell them, without knowing the reasons, they won't know what to leak" which was definitely a choice he made, and not a good one
Ooooh, I've seen the theory floated around that the Mimic might've copied Gregory and dropped the elevator, but I've never heard the flipside before-that Gregory was scared _Cassie_ might be the Mimic and that's why he did it. That makes "we can't risk being followed" make so much more sense and I completely buy this explanation.
I suspect that, following Steel Wool leaning so heavily on Glitchtrap = Afton, Scott's had to fudge the story a bit so that the Mimic was _somehow_ infected with the emotions of Afton and/or the kids, hence the memories in Help Wanted 2 and some of the sticky notes and the Nightmarionne stuff everywhere. How this happened I'm not sure, maybe something to do with Helpy judging by the drawing of him fleeing a burning building in HW2, but the method is probably gonna be a little messy given I don't think it was what Scott originally intended, just something he was sorta forced into by Security Breach.
I think the Mimic was supposed to be a Charlie bot, the baby from the fourth closet. Still being Baby.
The only wrinkle with him thinking she is the mimic, is if that security camera we can see pointed at her on the elevator doesn't work. Because it's implied that Gregory can see her through that camera.
Alternative theory I've probably seen elsewhere: Gregory got controlled again by Glitchtrap last minute who influenced him to drop the elevator.
@@Takejiro24 Why would Glitchtrap make him drop the elevator? It's been trying to get us to free the Mimic (and/or probably is it).
idk how the hell dawko kept a straight face when scott revealed he didn’t tell his own dev team the plot of them game they were working on. I would’ve had a full on joker style live tv breakdown if that were me
RIGHT? That sounds like a nightmare for Steel Wool but still they cop shit for the story.
@@ghost-pagesits been less than a month since this came out and from what ive seen the blame has started shifting towards scott
but i guess its a wait and see scenario since people haven't really talked about SB much.
"Oh. We've been following games written by an idiot for a decade" and the final piece fell into place
Because we already knew this is how it was done. Steel Wool confirmed it in an interview before the game even released. The only new information about this is that we now know it actually did lead to miscommunication.
fr i would have shown up on the news 😭 steel wool get behind me i always believed in you
Oh, I really love the elevator theory. I've always thought it'd be infinitely more interesting if Gregory drops the elevator, and this is a really good explanation as to why he would
I like your version of the Gregory broke the elevator on Cassy theory. Because a lot of people go the he’s evil route when he is literally a terrified child being chased by giant killer robots. If it was Gregory who broke the elevator, which I still think it’s likely the mimic, he did it because he is a scared kid. Even adults do shit out of pure fear, why do people blame Gregory for pure fear decisions?
Ppl don’t realize how dangerous the mimic is only Gregory and Vanessa, he had to do what he had to do.
@@Isfhrhbbb That’s true. Gregory and Vanessa are really having to make a tough decision and ultimately keeping the mimic locked down there is better for the safety of not only themselves but for others. If it is Gregory cutting the elevator, he is probably doing so with a lot of guilt since him and Cassy were friends. But her being stuck down there with the mimic is a better option than the mimic getting free if she is helped out. I can at least see where he’s coming from if he did do it. Although if Cassy survived, that is coming back to bite him and Vanessa in the future.
Because hating on children, real or fictional, is a pass time on the Internet. Cassie gets a pass because she's the nicest bean you ever did see. Part of why Gregory is my fafourite protagonist is because he's the most pro active one, even in ruin when he's not the main focus, he still does a lot of stuff, which most of them, just don't.
I never really saw Gregory as a "terrified child" in Security Breach, he was a little scared for the beginning section and then that changes and he was all excited about destroying them.
@@prufan that's what happens when most of the game is cut lmao. We've found the terrified Vanessa cut, well find the terrified Greg cut
Alt title: "Putting out a dumpster fire by removing all the trash from the dumpster"
I actually really like the idea that "Burntrap" was never supposed to have flesh and was never supposed to be literally Afton.
45:18 “I don’t know what’s gonna happen to her now”
Simple. She’s going to become Vanny 2.0
If Gregory was the one who dropped the elevator under the impression that The Mimic was mimicking Cassie, then, in one single movement, The Mimic has not only tricked Gregory into leaving Cassie behind, but also tricked Cassie into thinking Gregory didn’t care about her. Scott said in the new interview that he hopes there’s another chance for Vanny to appear, and Cassie taking on the mantle as Vanny and hunting Gregory to take revenge for what he did to her is the perfect way to have Vanny again without retconning anything about Vanessa
Vanny is specifically "Vanessa Bunny" and he was talking about the SB Vanny so I feel it more means Vanessa isn't done being Vanny yet. I also don't see why The Mimic would 180 into brain washing/manipulation to create a minion/ally when it hasn't had time to learn to or think about doing that and moments ago was trying to kill her. If it willingly followed her to the elevator asking to leave calmly then gregory dropped the elevator to prevent both of them from leaving that would be a different story- but it's still a murderous Endo that's impulsive and brash.
The Vanny 2 concept only really would make sense under a scenario I don't feel is presented in the game basically.
@@siresquawks If he doesn’t want Vanessa to be done with being Vanny, then why does he seem to be so determined to not use her? The Burntrap ending was the original canon one for SB, but was retconned into being Princess Quest ending. Help Wanted 2 also makes it seem like Vanny disappeared alongside Glitchtrap, as you pointed out. He had chances to modify the story to keep Vanessa!Vanny in it, so why didn’t he take them if he wants Vanny back?
Right now, it might not make sense lore wise, but narratively wise, a Cassie!Vanny plotline would fix everything that went wrong with SB’s story.
When I think about what Vanny should have been like, I find myself in a constant debate between the two main portrayals Vanny had before the game released: The angsty, demonic-possession-esque Vanny, and the creepy Afton copycat Vanny. Copycat!Vanny is the most badass variant of the character, because she’s not a puppet for Afton and has full control of her actions and her own motivations for becoming a killer. And Copycat!Vanny could have given us a very dynamic cast of characters by being a separate character from Security Gal. But it has the fatal flaw of not having a storyline as emotionally charged as Possessed!Vanny. Having Security Gal be the same as Vanny would (ideally) give us a very emotional story of Gregory bonding with Vanessa throughout the game and getting to know her and being friends, and then have a gut wrenching and horrifying reveal that Vanessa, the friendly security guard, is also Vanny the demented killer. A chilling revelation that would put us in a very emotional situation where we have to chose between saving her or leaving her behind. The emotions behind this plot are great, but this one has the fatal flaw of not making Vanny as badass as her Copycat variant, since she’s mostly a puppet of The Mimic and has no real agency. So she’s not as terrifying as she could be. So both Vannys are great, but have major flaws.
Cassie!Vanny however, would be the perfect mixture between those two variants, fixing both flaws single handily.
Cassie would be a Vanny that has a very personal reason to kill the player, Gregory. A very cruel and resentful Vanny who will do anything to kill the one who she thinks betrayed her. A Vanny who is cunning, cold and strategical, and has an army of murderous robots under her command, just like Copycat!Vanny. But she’s not beyond redemption. Deep inside, she’s just a broken girl who has been manipulated into villainy, into madness. And that would revive Vanessa’s original character, the kind and caring security guard she was always meant to be, explaining why she’s so aggressive even when she’s “herself” in SB. “Vannification” changes you, wears you down, twists your head. It’s also the perfect excuse to explain why Cassie became so resentful and so set into killing Gregory, and why she needs to be stopped and saved. It has the same emotional story as Possessed!Vanny. Literally the plot we all thought SB was going to have, but 10 times better.
Cassie!Vanny is the superior, and most terrifying Vanny by far. She’s the perfect way to have Vanny back without over complicating the plot and having an amazing set of characters. It shows us Gregory as the hero he was meant to be, gives Vanessa the perfect redemption arc by saving Cassie from suffering the same fate as her, and has Glamrock Freddy as the emotional support.
All the pieces are literally there, the perfect storyline that would fix everything that went wrong in modern FNAF, if you’re willing to look past the technicalities you mentioned.
Also, Cassie can be perfectly mixed with Vanny, since both names end with an “E” sound. Vanny + Cassie = Vannie. It may sound silly right now
*But mark my words.*
I like your take on Gregory's character. Everyone sees in him an evil destroyer or something, although if a 2 meters tall killer robot was after me I would have exploded it or something similar
HE DONE COOKED UP A FEAST. Thank you
And then steel wool accidentally tripped and burnt it 😅
This is pretty much my exact interpretation of SteelWool era story. Definitely gonna refer people to this vid. Also I never though about the wall code in the context of Vannesa and Gregory but I really love how you explained it. I think it improves both characters
This all makes a lot of sense. Honestly, I think we need a new security breach, AKA what security was SUPPOSED to be, to take the place of the current security breach in the canon.
The Scott cut?
Including all of the cut content? It could take about a few years, but we definitely need a remake than the mess we have now.
Or maybe we need the story as Steel Wool could have developped it without Scott stepping in to change things after the fact without including them.
Scott doesn't seem to have a vision or the ability to communicate this vision to a self-sabotaging degree.
@@edjeezy Yep. Basically.
I think the Glitchtrap ending in HW2 is actually a RECREATION of the All-Staff meeting, he might've died, found himself in the VANNI/Pizzaplex network and doesn't have any memory or voice. Like in the books and stuff, when someone dies, they lose their memories or something like that. The Vanny ending is basically all digital (obviously) He's already in the network and he beats PQ (alpha/4), not only FULLY freeing Vanessa but also entirely deleting Glitchtrap from existence.
I don't think Vanny (the personality) is separated or it's own thing now. I think when she disappears into the darkness, it implies that Vanny also doesn't exist anymore.
That’s a really interesting theory, also I always thought vanny crushing glitch trap was Vanessa going back to him in her old suit pretending to still be under his command/trying to save him after PQ3 but then she finally gets rid of him for good
@@vitoriangamer7807 That's a neat idea.
In regards to the elevator fall, it's possible that it isn't even Gregory that drops the elevator. In the room you leave the Mimic in, there are exposed electrical components for the elevator. And, at least to me, it makes more sense for something that is physically present in the scene to tamper with the elevator physically to make it fall, rather than Gregory being able to do it from some nebulous other location.
People do point to the game files labeling Gregory and the Mimic impersonating Gregory with different names; but that could just be a quirk of how the game developed. We know from unused content left in the game files that Ruin was meant to have a different ending, with Cassie escaping through a vent rather than the elevator, and Gregory telling her to "make sure she isn't being followed" Which is slightly different, but still lines up with the same number of dialogue lines. So it's possible that they could have simply swapped out the audio and subtitles without tweaking the code because most people aren't going to be checking the code anyway.
This should be the new defacto understanding of the series , it's so thorough and makes sense on so many levels and actually somehow feels neat and tidy
I think it may make sense that in the short time period before Vanessa is completely under the control of glitchtrap, she starts Gregory on the process of freeing himself, and than once he's free he does the same for Vanessa
First and last time I'm hating on Scott because: Vanny could have been a great villain, and SB had the potential to be a even better game, if Scott said the story to Steel wool from the start they wouldn't scrap the game and rework the story, Burntrap was unnecessary, he shouldn't even exist tbh. Since 2021 Steel wool has been getting hate bc of all of that, it wasn't even their fault. (Bring Vanny back)
I believe that Glitchtrap is the agony and memories formed from the missing children brought to life using the mimic program. In hw2, you literally have to collect memories to form Glitchtrap and he gives you the memories. And the yellow rabbit from into the pit is also a being made of agony created from the memories of the missing children
Notice that Glitchtrap in HW2 wanted to give you the tools to destroy him. Handing them out to you with no hesitation.
as a big dragon ball and fnaf fan I wasn’t expecting the comparison of security breach and dragon ball super but it was insanely accurate
Gregory is rhe kind of character to be given the trolly problem, and hed pull it without question, and deel with the consiquences as they come, as long as more people are safe coming out because of his actions, he seems to be the type to take it.
Blowing up, doing backflips and cartwheels SOMEONE FINALLY SAYS THAT BOTH VANESSA AND GREGORY WERE MIND CONTROLLED AND THEREFORE ARE NOT TRULY EVIL!!! I Could die right now happy. I wish i could put reaction images in youtube comments
Btw just throwing it out there, what if its Cassidy is being represented by Nightmarion? Like how Michael was represented by Foxy as foxy bro in fnaf 4 and in the logbook but changes into a white bear in pizza sim in the cutscenes + helpy. Idk just a thought!
That thought would make sense of why UCN's app icon is specifically Nightmarrione's face
Same about the "Gregory-mind-control" thing. When people talked about him being evil towards the animatronics, its like they, sometimes, force themselves to forget that HE IS A CHILD, and is stuck in a place filled robots that want to MURDER HIM. It also always rubbed me the wrong way that MatPat would constantly try to make him out as a robotic copy of the Crying Child, when it was narratively easier to explain him as being a fascimile for him, taken by Glitchtrap to fill in the role, and mindcontrolled to work for him.
I think Nightmarionne is what William views as death, or something similar to that
He’s forever haunted by the first person he killed, which is why it appears as UCN icon, it’s his own hell and is where he dies
@@ThisIsAHandle-xz5yo I don't think Nightmarrione would be his version of Death as a being, since its the spirit of Golden Freddy holding him in that limbo state. Scott may have chosen the nightmare version of the Puppet to be part of rhe app face, because of its simple, yet spooky, design.
seeing as nightmarionne is just the stand-in for nightmare, (who I head-canon to be cassidy) it would make sense, but who knows at this point.
this vid made me invested in the mimic. modern fnaf has so much potential. hyped for sotm
So basically
Scott not telling Steel Wool, the developers of the game, what the plot was and only giving them vague pieces to put together themselves lead to Steel Wool interpreting it a certain way different from how he envisioned.
Yeah I kinda think Scott needs to reevaluate how he manages these projects, Security Breach basically needs a complete redo to actually make it coherent now.
Personally I think Steel Wool's initial direction while not for everyone was better and the only reason it became such a mismanaged mess is because of this very poor direction and communication.
Scott said in the same interview he's already course corrected with Ruin and HW2. His original vision didn't get into SB but the story that SB ended up with is the canon one and the one that he's going forward with. There's no need to redo anything
@@janno7214 ^^ this
scott presumably already reevaluated how he manages. ruin and hw2 werent a mess and him publically talking about how he messed up clearly shows that he knows it didnt work
its a very weird sentiment to throw around. you're too late to tell the guy that he fucked up as he's the one explicitly telling you how he fucked up, i dont get why so many people (ive seen others too) act like this is a revelation that scott needs to come to. it wouldve been far more appropriate to act this way back when a few years ago there were rumours about how scott didnt tell steel wool enough, but if your source is literally the guy talking about past mistakes then pointing that he needs to change is just stupid
Idk feels weird that Steel Wool made shit up without permission instead of just doing what he asked of them
@@janno7214 That's still a bit of a tragedy nonetheless, as it means the actual story Scott intended is just gone now. I would really like to know what the story he actually intended was, and where things would have gone if his vision was properly realized. Because as it currently stands, that means that a loosely taped together glorified fanfiction story made by people other than Scott who were trying to just stitch clues they didn't understand together creating a whole mess is the canon story and a big chunk of the official lore alongside all the other stories in the canon lore that were actually made by Scott according to his vision. And going forward with that just really sucks and doesn't sit right with me.
The hype is immaculate
I’M EXCITED!!! 😆
I sincerely think the entire narrative of Security Breach onwards is Scott wanting to step forward and be more sci-fi with the horror elements. That now we're seeing what happens if Remnant infects metal, but not just simple machines...entire circuitboards, computers, and advanced AI hosted within machines. So the mimic's behavior is certainly more than JUST an AI, but something powered by Remnant/Agony/Whatever juju that keeps it running ( seemingly since the 1970s ) Knowing that the original context of the series was a tongue in cheek satire of capitalism, the Mimic is likely being exploited by ignorance. Fazbear thinks they have a useful AI on their hands, but they don't realize what they are doing is infecting countless entities with agony and remnant, confusing magic and technology. Which is how we get to FNAF AR onwards.
Can you define capitalism?
@@huguesdepayens807 In the context of what I said, sure: Referring to a Fazbear often forsaking safety in pursuit of profits. Or not treating something as a problem until someone dies of it. Which mimics real life labor jobs throughout history.
@@Ideataster That's not what capitalism though. Capitalism is voluntary exchange, absent coercion.
@@huguesdepayens807that's an abstraction of capitalism on paper, in practice and in history it has many contradictions and inadequacies. fnaf clearly parodies how corporate entities cover their ass when caught in legal controversy and cut corners where they think they can get away with it or go to lengths to obscure the truth and silence dissent.
@@jhol2752 No, that's what capitalism is "on paper" and in practice. Not sure what that example has to do with capitalism.
I really love the interpretation of Balloon World not dewing anything after glitching it out being because Gregory had already freed himself before hand. I did feel like it *had* to mean something, even if it didnt dew anything, otherwise it would have just been cut like a lot of other stuff in SB.
I still think its also meant to imply that the Daycare Attendant is especially influenced or connected to the Glitchtrap virus, but now Im also curious why Moon seems to be Vanny's "claw" in HW2 if he is under control of Glitchtrap/The Mimic?
I wish we knew more about how and when Vannesa and Gregory sealed the Mimic. I really don't like that part of the story being basically all assumption
I'll be honest that this was definitely one of the most compelling theories about SB as a whole. Is it irritating that after the Dawko interview we are kinda just forced to dump everything of what we thought we knew about Security Breach as a whole into the proverbial dumpster? Yeah pretty much, but at least we have a much more achievable narrative exists now to what ever we had before.
If secret of the mimic isn’t carnival themed that could possibly be the biggest fumble oat they’ve been setting a carnival theme since ruin now. I heard it takes place in a toy factory which unless they do sum crazy stuff it could be a fumble
All the "SB doesn't tell the story the way it is" it's been HAUNTING ME for weeks i SWEAR we need a remaster of that game with the actual story bcs all this makes SB basically NOT CANON? HUH? I just need scott to say that the story of sb isn't canon i need to relax bcs this is actually making me going crazy, i just need anyone to confirm that the story didn't change only bcs SB was bad written pls plsplsplsplsaposslkdsodnwpwk
It is canon
Tales, vip and ruin are just a patch to make the scott vision more accurate with steel wool's game
BRO WHEN THE ANIMATRONICS EYES ARE SHOWN GLOWING THEY GLOW ORANGE LIKE HELPIES 💀10:02
see, this video and the conclusions you come to under this new context and line of thinking has singlehandedly made me enjoy FNAF lore again. I had been a believer of the idea of the mimic/glitchtrap being this AI software that's trying to make the original FNAF games a reality in its world, and I feel so incredibly vindicated by seeing a theorist I admire so much coming to a similar conclusion xD when I first saw the lore brought in in HW2 I absolutely hated it and was so confused by it all, and then into the pit happened and by that point I was basically like "aight I'm out y'all have fun." with the lore. But then watching this video made everything confusing that I hated about the lore (glitchtrap's death, vanny being sidelined and largely cut from her own story, etc etc.) actually work and feel genuinely super satisfying and something I actually really enjoy. hell, I'm not even annoyed by Gregory being patient 46 which is something I have absolutely detested has turned into something I'm actually kinda vibing with now under this interpretation of events. and I kinda really love the interpretation of gregory dropping the elevator out of fear that its the mimic in there and not cassie.
TL;DR- this is a damn good video and a damn good theory mate, well done :D
Even though it might not have been Scott’s original vision, I still think we should take what’s in Security Breach as important and canon, since it *is* the game that got released. Especially since this isn’t just Scott’s series anymore, and disregarding an entire game just because it’s not what one person involved wanted feels wrong. I’m not saying that’s what this video is doing, I’m just saying I’ve seen people start treating Security Breach like it’s non canon ever since the interview came out and it bothers me.
I have never seen a FNAF video use Dragon Ball Analogies more than once until now. 10/10 video on that alone.
My only counterargument: The mimic is the only one we see with access to the elevator system, the battery pack, and we have no idea is Gregory is even in the building, but is likely not
Your take on the note room makes a lot of sense after all it is the staff bot silo so the Mimic or Gregory shouldn't be there
Bear in mind even after Glitchtrap is gone from the mimic, the mimic is supposed to LEARN from things, so it's very possible the afton part was left behind, but luring and killing children (a tactic Afton used a lot) was learnt by it and that's why there so much manipulation through Ruin
I feel in ruin it was more to show the Mimic's basic intelligence. It was trapped and could only be freed by an outside force- so it figured out and found a source to follow mimicing Vanessa and Gregory talking on the walkie talkie to trap it- meaning something like that could *untrap* it.
Glitchtrap would probably try to continue to trick Cassie even once free- the Mimic 180d the moment it didn't need her anymore.
@@siresquawks I think what im arguing more is about how story wise, with glitchtrap gone from his programming, the mimic is did not just revert back to its original state, but rather, it learnt from glitchtrap some things making it a combination of both and pushing the narrative closer to what we see in the books.
My personal headcanon is the direction of fnaf blurrying the lines betwee real human emotions and artifical code simulating it. So i believe the mimic is not gone in Ruin per say, but rather, it will become a new being which is not 'sentient' by possesion, but by learning behaviour. Kind of like what we were being told a bit with the whole Robot replacing human theme in the books
@@siresquawks AND another fun thing to point out.
If the staff bots are infected with the glitchtrap virus, and the virus INTERPRETS things from afton's life, then I can INFER (i dont have solid evidence, just narrative threaths) that the Staff bots knew via the glitchtrap virus, which knew from vague Afton information that the Puppet 'gave life' to animatronics.
Stick with me a bit. From Afton's perspective, the puppet brought back all the agony he caused in form of the animatronics, he would see the puppet as something to fear as it gave life back to his victims. He would then be curious and experiment with the scooper and the rest is just SL. But Afton knew how dangerous the puppet could be.
The staff bots knew of an entity (the puppet) that could bring to life robotics so now, with vague information about this entity, they praise Nightmarionne, as Help Wanted has only an idea of the Puppet FROM Afton's perspective.
Idk if I made sense but tlfr Nightmarionne is an interpretation of what Afton noticed in the puppet, now in the Staffbots via the glitchtrap virus
@@BonusDuckie Fnaf6 throws in a huge curveball. Remember that poster with Afton, the puppet, tbe bear, and the clown?
It’s implying that the puppet was already possessed by William and he desperately crawled up to Charlie’s body. So the puppet was a two-in-one deal, just like GF.
Likewise, Baby thought Scraptrap wasn’t her father, and instead identified Henry Emily as her father. Implying something very weird about both Scraptrap and Henry. Scraptrap potentially being another two-in-one thing, except the wicked mind in control isn’t William and is potentially sabotaged by him (note the body is below the standards of William’s craft).
@@justice8718 Could you explain further your thought process? It's not clear to me how you drew the conclusion that the puppet was already possesed by William. I understand the idea of that puppet being under Williams control but couldnt that be Michael being manipulated by William?
Overall I think that image is a red herring as the bear has no real connection? And the clown could be Baby but Baby is a Jester not a clown? seems like a really weird image overall but it is a curveball. I just fail to see the connection here
I am kinda iffy about the elevator sequence cause of the thing next to the speaker that appears smaller in size directed at Cassy with in the elevator.
It may not look like a speaker but I am not gonna say it’s unquestionably a camera either cause it sorta doesn’t look like one and has more akin to something similar in appearance to the mimics eye (also not saying it’s unquestionably is a mimic eye).
looks like a gopro style camera, it could be one, but it could just as well be something else. idk if a gopro in an old freight elevator would make sense
I think the Jeremy written on the walls in the theater is a reference to one of comedy bot's routines, where he mentions a child named "little Jeremy". Idk, though.
Could be but it’s weird that its written on only the Freddy and friends on tour version of the image.
When Scott said that Burntrap was never meant to move, my mind instantly went to Eveline from RE7. Because of way she was behind everything, and the way we were meant to believe the Bakers were the big bad and then at the end it's revealed to be her. That kind of fits with how Burntrap and Vanny were supposed to be portrayed. With Burntrap being like the old woman.
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Y'know... thinking about it... One of the main evidence pieces against talesgames was that the Pizzaplex in Tales appears very different to what we see in Security Breach.... but if Security Breach is missing a lot of the story Scott wanted, then it missing set pieces like the Roller Coaster would make a lot of sense... and this confirmation kind of weakens that argument in my head because of that. I wonder if Into The Pit is telling us that Frightsgames is also true then.
the pizzaplex looking different has never been a good argument because the pizzaplex is stated plenty to be changing in attractions and getting extentions built. even ingame like half the pizzaplex is closed for construction. in VIP the daycare doesnt exist yet for instance (yes i know its more recent but still)
VIP introduced Very Important Pig, a version of the Mimic/Glitchtrap (we think at least) and ya wanna know the type of cipher that’s in the Michael room is? A PIG-PEN CIPHER. Dude could this have anything to do with anything to solve that room?
11:54 That's actually such a genius comparison. I'm going crazy over here.
After what Scott said about him not being upfront to SW with the story, I think that may have been the reason why the game was delayed so much. Knowing Scott, he has learned his lesson and is keeping a close eye with SW for Secret of the Mimic and help progress the game.
I would also like to say something that may be a hot take: SW and Scott should make a SB remake after some time has passed so Scott could give Steel Wool the actual story and make the story make sense.
Whatever the modern FNAF story is, it's proof that FNAF can't afford to be vague anymore. Every insane debate we've gotten from the games post-UCN have been fueled by a lack of clarity from Scott and Steel Wool. As a result, we've seen the modern story be reinterpreted over and over and over again, and each one might be equally valid because answers don't exist according to Scott. If the story they're going with is really about this terrible Mimic endoskeleton in all his Gary Stu glory, then at the very least be up front about it instead of leaving us to speculate, argue, and harass each other for over a year.
you can literally apply this to comment to old fnaf too. there is no proof fnaf cant be vague anymore because nothing is different. just because years down the line there are a few generally accepted theories for old fnaf doesnt mean that back then it wasnt as vague and ever changing as now, and besides, theres still plenty of alternative readings on old fnaf even to this day. (and things that are not solved/hotly debated/dead ends)
edit: the only thing you can point at to being notably different, which others have done, is that nowadays there is more debate about what fnaf media is and isnt "canon" to the main game story, but even that isnt entirely true as the silver eyes trilogy is pretty old, and has been used as direct evidence, indirect evidence, and not used/discounted as evidence plenty in theories before. i'd say its a little different now but not THAT much worse
@@Sopsy_Hallow The difference here is that the franchise has evolved from its roots. It’s no longer just Scott making these games. It’s entire teams of people that can and did get in the way of the story Scott wants to tell. Despite quite a few aggravating mysteries, things could be pieced together more easily than almost anything in Security Breach. Plus, Bendy proved that being more direct is a better approach with Dark Revival; so FNAF really should pick up the slack.
the dragon ball super reference is lowkey perfect in comparison to fnaf's simultaneous disconnection and connection of certain plot points and you just kinda have to go with it to enjoy the game
15:26 splish splash I was taking a bath
You touched on it very briefly in one of your earlier patient 46 videos, but while Glitchtrap is supposed to be a perfect copy of Afton, I do kinda like the idea of it specifically choosing Vanessa and especially Gregory to try and rebuild the Afton family. And I don’t mean this to say because it’s what Afton would do, but if I’m using your logic right, this “branch off” of the mimic would still be based on the childish impatient base version. Maybe this is something that differentiates GT from William in that it wants to experience having a family in that ai wanting to be human way? This would be why there’s stuff like the table Staff bots of the Aftons (would especially explain why CC is depicted with no head; it takes the fact that was bitten and amps it up like the mimic usually does), it may be why it specifically tries to rewrite Vanessas past to be similar to Elizabeth and likely Gregory too, and I… think Mikes room and it just didn’t get to doing Mike yet? Or idk maybe it somehow knows Mike betrayed William? I mean i don’t say this like it really knows what family means, it’s essentially still manipulating and using them the same way William would, but still the idea that it even bothered to try and do it like this in the most warped version of “I will put you back together” possible is interesting.
Idk if that’ll be the case, but I like that take on it. Funnily enough, it’d loop back around to that idea that someone’s trying to recreate the Afton family people were focused on, just not for any reason expected (also it’d potentially mean that this crazy ai copy of Afton would care about more his kids than he ever did in a weird way 😅).
4:03 Regarding Burntrap, I havent seen anyone else mention this, but I wonder if Burntrap was supposed to act kind of like G-Man from Half Life 1 specifically.
Or slightly like herobrine
G-man is definitely the closest comparison I can think of. A character who is basically treated as an Easter egg, who can only be spotted by standing around in specific locations that would seem random to an average player.
That was a super fun and interesting video to watch. Awesome video!
Either this Jeremy is Jeremy number 4 or this is Jeremy from fnaf 2 which could also work since if he was the 87 bite victim that would mean he still lived and just lost his memory of what he did in the past and lived a much happier life unlike Micheal
Scott not giving the full story would explain that line in help wanted about digital consciousness transference
My problem with Gregory in Security Breach is that the game never made me feel like he MUST destroy the animatronics, he also doesn't seem that scared either.
With the recent theory identifying CC’s name to be Dave/David, is it possible that if in games continuity someone other than Edwin made the mimic, could it have been afton instead? The parallel there wouldn’t be super clean in terms of personality or behavior, but it could partially help to explain the mimics knowledge of the old yellow rabbit costume pre Fazbears. Granted knowing the costume could just be explained by him predating fazbears is seen in secrets of the mimic, but idk
This has honestly been a theory of mine for some time with FuhNaff and several other theorists on TH-cam pointing out the remarkable similarities this era of FNAF games has to the Silver Eyes trilogy. Particularly, Henry having created the Charlie Bots with William taking one as his own.
I could be 100% wrong; but, I'm wondering if The Mimic was an early attempt by William to "put [his son] back together" before he abandoned it?
William in the books was eager to replicate Henry's ability to create life after all.
@@Takejiro24 I don’t know, first of all the new game would suggest that the mimic predated the death of Dave/David as he died presumably around 83 but the new game is in 79, plus I don’t think Afton really cared enough about the Crying Child to legitimately try and put him back together. He may have convinced himself he cares but if he did he wouldn’t have neglected all his kids and gotten each of them killed, he was always just self interested and had an inflated ego, thinking himself immortal, only boosting said ego when he actually became immortal, only for him the burn up twice and be finished because of his own recklessness. Now presumably his robot that had been keeping some part of him alive is now cleansed and free to do as it pleases.
I wish MXES was a foxy variant
I don't like Cassie's dad being named Jeremy. It makes it so that there are like four Jeremys in this franchise.
A Jeremy who may or may not have lost his frontal lobe,
A Jeremy who really likes a bunny rabbit,
A Jeremy who posses a bunny rabbit,
A Jeremy who gets possessed by a bunny rabbit.
(and a Jeremy who did graffiti in the theater of the pizzaplex)
Hell yeahhhhhh, glitchtrap is super buu and mimic is kid buu
Theyre both boos, our boos
7:00 I think that was the end of GlitchTrap as a Program. Glitchtrap is NOW vanny.. It lives inside of the person now, assuming its no longer Vennessa. I think Cassie is now lost her body and will become Glitchtrap/Vanny. We'll need PQ 4-5-6 to free her next time.
PLEASE, I NEED A DIRECTORS CUT FOR SB.
i do think its so funny that scott just activly chose to not give steel wool the plot and was surprised when they didnt like, idk not tell a story?
So the mimic we see in ruin was glitchtrap but got factory reset by cassie's dad and vanny? Neat, i like it. Maybe if future games follow up on the differences between the empathetic cassie and the pragmatic gregory, there'll be an opportunity to like rehabilitate the mimic or give it different training data, and make it not a murder bot.
I do have a question though. Whats up with the Tangle? Ruin and HW 2 were course correcting the lore, but besides one blink and you'll miss it easter egg in Ruin, its nowhere to be seen. It makes me wonder if it was entirely a steel wool creation.
I have had a theory about M.X.E.S.'s acronym. For me i believe that M.X.E.S. is what the mimic 02 line was run on explaining why it can trap the mimic as the program acts like a hivemind. So in my opinion is that M.X.E.S. stands for Mimic.eXternal.Endoskeleton.System.
Uh oh. A new video before the CC is Dave response stream?!
Good video. Very brave of you to try and make sense of this game head-on after it's lore was basically confirmed almost unusable instead of just giving up like me. 😂
I reeeeaaaly miss when this series was about haunted animatronics. Coming from that era of Fnaf, I feel like I only understood half of what was going on here
this honestly all reminds me of the theory about how the observer (false gabriel) in mandela catalogue might be attempting to either recreate or possibly even just create in reality the events of the bible for whatever reason, and im all for it in fnaf too
5:30 Jeremey is Bonnie Bro? We're seeing a lot of the other Bros come back, I wonder what will happen with Michaels friends... they all went into trying to make sure that bite of 83 never happened again. There is good Evidence that Oswalt's father is Freddy Bro, Michael was Foxy Bro, Jeremey is Bonnie bro...
HYPE
Hot take Glitchtrap and Burntrap being Afton instead because of Cassidy's focus on revenge letting him persist and come back is the far better story IMO. I don't like how FNAF has moved away from supernatural horror or really the Mimic at all.
I agree with this theory, the only things I'd say work better is the Mimic code is a branch off the original as the code used was not scanned from the actual Mimic making the og Mimic gaining control of all Glitchtrap did in Security Breach but limited by the nodes. I think Glitchtrap is also interacting with William's agony left over from Fazbear Entertainment using the remains of FNAF 6.
Everything else I see very accurate
Dude I love your videos
I'd say if you have something to say you can't find anywhere else go for that in particular. TH-cam's kinda a guessing game and you don't know what will and won't stick- so the safest bet is to make something you'd enjoy watching. The only other big point I have is *Audio* I SUCK at audio and it's one of the things I work on the most and pays off the most. Speaking naturally and sounding good or professional enough is huge and immediately shows what level of experience someone has. Even just putting a noise suppression filter on OBS or other audio capture software can do a LOT for a video.
@@siresquawks omg thank you so much for ACKNOWLEDGING me and thank you for the tips!!!!
In theory it could be the mimic who dropped Cassie, but I'm 100% with you otherwise.
Nice super/kid buu comparison
I think Nightmarionne is worshipped because of Dittophobia. I think the original staff bots were the Mannequins in the nightmare experiments.
I don't think so as the "Mannequins" in dittophobia just look like lame versions of their nightmare counterparts- they still have the bear, chicken, fox, and rabbit suits on- they were still the nightmares just not as scary and more clearly fake and aren't described as having the tear trails and glowing eyes or "In your dreams" text.
@@siresquawks I moreso mean that the mannequins were staff bots wearing costumes and Nightmarionne was part of the experiments, hence
I’ve always been of the opinion that for some fnaf games there’s the possibility of multiple endings being canon. I especially think this applies to HW2 considering the endings aren’t all about outcomes for the same character, instead as you said the neutral ending is showing how Jeremy got put into the system, and the vanny ending then showing how he helps vanny to free herself from glitchtrap.
I also think the order of these events is self explanatory because i don’t think it’s possible for you to get the PQ4 vanny ending before you get the neutral? Please correct me if I’m wrong since I don’t have the game and I haven’t seen this point be brought up before!
You can get the Vanny ending as soon as you can get the 6 memory dolls- which is any time after unlocking the faz wrench- including before getting the main ending. That said on your first playthrough you will almost always get the normal ending first.
The wall code bugs the hell out of me. All that weird phrasing makes me think it's an actual code rather than just something meaningful, like the words are being chosen for their letters. But I can't find anything there.
FNAF got so weird and confusing after Scott went so hands-off. I wish he controlled it more closely so we could have a more coherent story, or at the very least clarified details sometimes.
Knowing Scott, he most likely learned his lesson after Security Breach and is most likely keeping a close eye on what Steel Wool is doing.
@@pretender1456 I'd like to believe that but he said he didn't even play Help Wanted 2, so he's still pretty hands-off
It rather seems like the games are becoming less connected, perhaps to reduce the risk of having those problems, but that also makes them less interesting for me unfortunately
@@malucarthe said he course corrected after SB so he probably gives them a clear cut story
ave seen a reddti post.makes sence.
greagory playing and deffetting princess quest leads to Mimic, Not playing the princess quest doesnt defeat glich trap and he gets created in the power tube and attacked by mengle
Everytime I see Scotts Avatar all I can think of is the intellivision, and the mess of the Amigo. VERY INTERESTING STORY but it must have sucked or the people
who kick started it. Was scott part of that? I can see him putting in money for that, just for a the Avatar he uses.
He also said that the short story’s were just creepy ideas he had that to me feels heavily implied they aren’t canon they are just fun creepy ideas with a fnaf coat of paint
I’m sure Nightmarionne is more likely representing the Grim Reaper throughout the game, kinda like how Burntrap would be there for a glimpse but disappears.
So with SOTM, I think the Mimic’s creator would be a perfect foil of Henry. Idk about Tales Games, but I’m gonna assume William would fit the bill, and this takes me back to the Caesar quote:
“The evil that men do lives after them; The good is oft interred with their bones”
And now Nightmarionne’s quote from UCN:
“I am the fearful reflection of what you have created”
So if Glitchtrap is mimicking William after all, Nightmarionne would be the agony of death that has lived throughout Fazbear’s life while living through Mimic and the mimic clones, while the good in it has died out from the FFPS fire and thus showing that William’s legacy had lived on afterwards.
It’s just speculation that’ll be debunked in the future.
I’ll come back later to finish watching the video, 24:00.
Jeremy is a pretty common name in fnaf
4 jermeyys
Bonnie soul
Bonnie bully /classy Dad
Faceless Jeremy
Frontal lobeless Jeremy
Ok hear me out. But the mimic, mimics things right? And was originally broken and sealed into fragments by tape girl. What if the arcade cabinets of princess quest need to be beat to free Vanessa because the mimic used the same method on her, fragmenting parts of her consciousness and hiding them away inside of a game as the virus merged with her to form Vanny.
How about the fact the controls for the elevator was right next to where cassy entered the elevator, with the mimic right behind her, the Gregory voice lines also over lap each other before the elevator fell
Could be- but Greg’s also a hacker with plans to the area.
6:15 so do you think Cassie's dad isnt Jeremy the beta tester from HW1? I dont have a horse in this race and I dont think it like overly matters, besides being what candy cadet's story means, but im curious about your thoughts.
I doubt it kinda unless Jeremy 3 (HW1 Jeremy)'s face was stitched back on and he survived Glitchtrap- especially when he's talked about in past tense in HW1 which is before the pizzaplex is even built much less far enough along for him to work there after it was destroyed. The pieces don't really add up.
Wait hang on… we have a child named David in fnaf and we have the name of the crying child like 99% confirmed to be Dave???
I mean David is nothing like the bite victim tbh other than being a child with a plush. And it’s less “99” and more “54%” confirmed as the initial leap to get the numbers is still there.
@@siresquawks Dave is pretty compelling considering it’s using the correct algorithm and ties in with the mirror in the book. There’s much less of a leap than there was with the original solution.
Fnaf lore has really gotten so convoluted it's not even fun anymore. Makes me sad that there is no clear throughline for the games, it's all over the place. I'm someone who's been here since the first game but idk if i even care anymore
Do you think Jeremy (Cathy's Dad) may have stayed in contact with Michael and helped him and Henry?
Or that he was totally independent doing his own thing?
Michael didn’t involve himself in fnaf6. William himself is a far stranger character when you realize the story implies that he basically split himself off into different Williams, akin to Charlie being off into three different Charlies. Fnaf6 showcases three different ones, Scraptrap, the puppet (implied in the posters with William holding a dummy of himself to explain why it can roam around on its own), and the one who shows up at the end of fruity maze (his and Susie’s reflections are not a part of the arcade game, they are there because Susie is playing the game and William is watching her play the game).
UCN flat out implies that something isn’t right about William’s soul, that it’s minuscule.
Harry Potter horcrox logic.
I seriously don’t believe Gregory dropped the elevator. He wasn’t even in the building. The Mimic was in the building and near the elevator’s power supply. At some point during Cassie’s conversation with “the real Gregory” the Mimic took back over Mimicked Greg’s voice and then dropped the elevator. Greg might have had motive but he had neither means nor opportunity.
The Mimic had both means and opportunity to drop the elevator.
Gregory is a hacker who hacks a staffbot elsewhere in ruin (Easter egg) and has plans to the area. He absolutely could. The mimic doesn’t gain anything by dropping the elevator From where I’m standing. It just traps itself and kills Cassie- it could’ve just made the elevator slowly lower back down then kill her- instead it goes nuclear for no reason.
@@siresquawks you said it yourself the Mimic is both very impulsive and a known killer.
Dropping the elevator was as easy as yanking a single wire. (It’s a poorly designed elevator but that’s not a surprise).
Mimicking somebody’s friend and then killing them is a thing the Mimic does in the books.
Yes “going nuclear” is poor planning on the Mimic’s part but as you said this isn’t Glichtrap this is the impulsive childish Mimic. Children aren’t great at planning far ahead.
I’m not saying that there is no chance Greg did it. I’m just saying it’s something the Mimic would and could do and I personally believe it did.
Ok i do think you reinterpretation of SB lore dose make sense if we assume that steel woll retconned and abandoned all the presumably incorrect story elements and features in the game.
However i don't feel comfortable just retconning away the mistakes of SB story. Massive things like burntraps design and story use just seems to large to sweep under the rug.
It's not like small change of Roxys face design in ruin, its a whole character ether disappearing or getting replaced by a nother.
I just think its to easy to just have SB messy story be retconned completely without any consequences for future titles.
If they did retconned a lot of SB that would mean a lot of theories that use parts of SB for evidence are worthless now due to it now not being usabile lore anymore.
I'm going back and forth on that a lot but a deceptive amount is still usable- it's just hard to ignore burntrap's hand going back to that room and the connections with orange eyed helpi being another thing previously glitchtrapped. If they are meant to be separate they haven't given a clue to where burntrap is now. Until we get a change or addition to the story this is the best I can do.
@@siresquawksassuming everything the Glitchtrap virus infected/controlled disconnected after being deleted from the system in the princess quest ending I think burntrap probably is still sitting slumped over in his charging station. The door is still shut as if he never leaft.
The only thing that might be a problem with this kind of view is the we can't make out we're burntrap is in the charging station.
I think it's probably to foggy and dark in there to make out any shapes, but it's still a valid point for people to have doubts about.
The one thing that always bugged me about all the mimic=burntrap theories is that ignoring the possibility of steel woll changing the burntrap endo design is that the mimic can't geometrical fit in to burntrap without swapping out 95% or more of its body parts.
His body we see in ruin is just to rigid and sold in ruin to to the squeezing and bending to fit in to burntrap.
Unlike sister location endos were the designs for the endo were made with shape shifting in mide the mimic dosint have any outside of extendable arms.
And just having him were costumes isn't strong enough evidence to prove his ability to squeeze in to a already occupied spring lock suit.
And looking at how childish he acts I doubt he is able to just disassemble and rebuild himself to make himself fit any sut he's to big for.
It's all nice, but Mimic idea how it show in SB is just stupid. HOW does it copied William and his actions, if there is NO purple guy mini games and even if there was them, why copy random killer, instead of ANYONE else? But you know what stupider? Going underground, angering Mimic somehow and SOMEHOW trapping it, just how?
It’s not because of William, but the rumors about him they formed material for.
Although the movies and the books display the image of William going around to kill with a rabbit costume, for the games, fnaf2 and fnaf3 suggest that the MCI killer didn’t wear the costume (because the suit was too dangerous to wear under any standards and he clearly wasn’t wearing one in the fnaf2 minigames) or/and the rabbit suit itself was already possessed and killed the children, making Afton ironically one of its most recent victims that fallen into its trap.
Into the pit showcases a “William Afton” that lost its mind in rage by realizing that he doesn’t actually know anything about him.
@@justice8718 I'm pretty sure ball trap is a monstrous version of you know who, created by fears of his victims, just like Nightmare from fnaf 4
@@Mekap_Oble Not really. The agony in the ball pit is mixed together.
Yea it's always that part about the whole mimic1=Glitchtrap theories that bugs me to no end.
There are dozens of characters to copy but no he only conveniently mimic Afton who mind you only shows up as springtrap doing his fnaf 3 stuff.
If Glitchtrap was a out of control AI program he would have been a amalgamation of all the characters characteristics and behavior and not just Afton.
Also how dose the mimic1 AI program even managed to possess people if he was only made to generate stories and NPC pathfinding. Unless you resort to comparing him to tiger rock who can do that it should be impossible for him to possess people.
Also Glitchtraps plan was to deliberate and patiently planed out. He could have spent months or even years playing ahead go to that one specific pizzaplex were below the fnaf 6 location resides, to ultimately repair and repossess what remains of scraptrap.
It would make a lot more sense that Afton was Glitchtrap because he isn't looking for any new body but his old body in the fnaf 6 location.
I just don't see the mimic having that kind of determination and patience to do such a thing.
Especially when the mimic is known to be childish and impatient, like we see him act out when Cassie was talking to long which would have potentially blown his cover if Cassie had paid more close attention.
So I don't see him having the patience to plan such long complicated operation and succeeding to take over the pizzaplex.
Just comparing the two Glitchtrap is patient and smart.
The mimic is impulsive,childish and impatient.
That kind of switch of character behavior just seem to abrupt to make sense.
@@Gigi4u finally someone who asks right questions, glad I'm not the only one
He gave the mask to his daughter??
Most likely didn’t have control the ai is programmed to do that so chances are he couldn’t which is kinda sad asf bc he watched his daughter fall for the same thing he did.
the quote at the beginning honestly frustrates me so much like. It sounds like the only reason they told the story differently was probably that Scott didn’t actually communicate what he actually specifically wanted. Sounds like he gave them a bunch of specific small bits and hints ???
Silver Surfer NES soundtrack! I love that, you're awesome
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