I went into this video not being onboard with Into the Pit being in the games continuity, cause most of the evidence I heard for that claim was “Why wouldn’t it be?” But you really sold me the reasons why with Scott’s method of writing the books and how he’s been course correcting since Security Breach
It's interesting; Scott's been a solo dev for a long time and maybe collaboration didn't come naturally to him. Getting people to write your lore based on clues seems like a really bad idea.
I feel like I'm in exactly the same boat, ever since the Scott Interview I was doubtful the game would be canon (though I did want it to be), and after playing it myself I had more or less resigned to accepting it as a fun but non-canon spinoff And maaaybe its just cope, but idk, this video has definitely convinced me of it's canonicity again
I love your video because it touches upon something I've saying since into the pit came (the novel). How ITP is only a means to convey certain information and you can discard the rest. They were teaching us about the power of agony + memories. While also hammering the point on the AMOUNT of missing children Two quick tangents, the announcer talking about not shoving kids heads into the animatronics... Again and the fact the promo is called "the golden bite of 83" feels like so on brand with Fazbear. Making light of what happened to confuse the public and make it a rumor in plain sight, now when people ask about the bite of 83 other people answer with "ohh yeah they had that promotion for a while it was crazy!! 83 slices!" Now onto the main point... I do believe that the game takes liberties in how they presented the kills that first night. Even though it showed all the kids being dead from the start... My guess is You have 5 nights, you "save" a kid each night... My best bet is that you are actually reliving how they originally died. One trapped in an Endo, two stuffed in a freezer, one lured into a back room and one tortured (as shown by the hammer and yes that toy hammer is a metaphor for the torture I believe) (this to me is actually the origins of TOYSNHK... William tried to extract remnant, but in turn it ended up creating the most vengeful spirit, one filled with agony) At this point is clear that Wiliam has some knowledge about remnant and agony and he is experimenting with the optimal way of producing more, that's why we see different ways of killing kids. And here is the curve ball... For a long time I've thinking that the building HAS to be possessed... Drawings and news clippings keep changing on their own, the destruction of the pizzeria itself in the movie and "interactable tiles in the walls" this to me is clarified in into the pit... Oswald is the last victim, the sixth kid that was hidden in the pit and went on to posses the building itself. The ballon boy minigame in ITP kinda proves this. After you collect the original five party hats you collect one more... One... Thrown into the pit (Just a theory😅)
Another detail that is against Stichline games is Afton himself. In Fazbear Frights, he is a burned out man in a hospital. However in Fnaf 6, he is very much decayed. He is missing an arm and at least part of his head is rotted enough to reveal his skull. How the hell would he be taken to a hospital and those details not mentioned!? Edit: someone also pointed out how Afton's body would get to the hospital if Stichline Games was true. He was in a secret part of a building that eventually collapsed underground. That is very much inconsistent with how the body would feasibly end up in the Fazbear Frights story. Even the original 10-15 page draft should have included/covered such an important detail.
As I say in the video- I think we're getting a kind reboot or revision of the storyline to fix a lot of oddities in the timeline and continuity that were confusing or vague.
@@siresquawksassuming that they actually make enough spin-off games to get to that point, probably. It still seems like a very big detail to mix-up for a character, especially since Scott designed Scraptrap around that point. Honestly, Fazbear Frights Afton seems like he is more like Silver Eyes Afton at times. Silver Eyes Afton *was* the only version of William we know that got out of the Springbonnie suit.
Feel like you are missing the point of TMIR1280, That being Afton was still alive (also mind you that fnaf is never consistent with its design, in fact scraptrap even has two arms in sb instead if of just having one)
This game feels like a confirmation to Frights Fiction to me. It would explain so much about the game. The theory that the Frights books are Goosebump style books that Fazbear LLC sells during the Pizza Plex Era. Similar to Help Wanted being cover-ups to real events and rumors. This explains why book characters like Fetch appear on the game cabinets in the Pizza Plex despite seemingly not being real characters. This would explain why Into the Pit is displayed via a TV screen. Fetch, To Be Beautiful, and Count the Ways are referenced as Fazbear LLC would own those stories. Same with the Stichwraith (which, according to the books, happens a decade or so after UCN, which makes no sense for Into the Pit's 2018ish era). GGY is explained because that would be a thing during the Pizza Plex era. Music Man, Helpy, Trash and the Gang, Minirinas, Toy Animatronics are all things they own and can throw in the game as Easter Eggs due to owning those characters. Also they never reference the Yellow Bunny as Afton because they don't want people knowing that there is some real events they are covering up. As of the Help Wanted era, Fazbear LLC knows a lot about the past and is covering it up so it's possible that some real things based on rumors they need to cover are in the game, very much like Help Wanted having stuff like the MCI. Things like 6 + 1 dead children would be based on real events. OG 5 + Charlie, plus they mentioned the Bite of '83. A man in the Spring Bonnie costume did lure and kill kids in 1985, but they changed the way it was presented to avoid connecting it the real murders. This game doesn't present the idea that the kids were killed in the saferoom because Fazbear LLC doesn't want the idea of the saferooms to be known. However, the way the game presents the deaths might be hints to the way they actually died, or at least the very least, just the springlocking one. Edit: Scott never said another in universe game can't exist, only that as of the time of Help Wanted, the only current in universe games are the Indies and Help Wanted.
Would also line up with the Arcades in SB having characters from the books, also makes me wonder if maybe the Silver Eyes trilogy could slot into that as well considering there is a poster for The Twisted Ones in Oswald's rooms (occasionally appears as an easter egg). It's hard to pin because it's absurdly meta, but I guess we already know the first 6 games exist in the world of FNAF, so these also being games would check out.
@@Narodle Well, if that is the case, it doesn't really change the theory. The whole idea is that Fazbear LLC is releasing the books to make fun of rumors (the rumors actually being real events). If it's rumored that Afton is the Spring Bonnie Killer, then it makes scenes that Fazbear LLC would make fun of it in their own twisted way of covering things up.
@@Narodle Not really. The idea is that the books are Goosebumps styles stories that are mostly, if not completely, made up by Fazbear LLC to sell merchandise. The game Into the Pit is similar. The main storyline, Oswald, the Ball Pit, Jeffs, is all made up. However, similar to Help Wanted, it makes fun of some things that actually happened like The MCI.
Let's just hope than even with this "fixing the FF stories to match the games" thing, they won't bring up "In The Flesh" at all. I don't want to get LHUGUENY flashbacks while I'm playing a FNAF game.
Thank you Squawks because this game was really becoming the new FNAF 4. And I feel like a New Stitchline would be a fresh start to the end the toxic debate over the Frights and Tales Books. Can’t wait to see your SB without SB video, but I’m more interested in a VIP theory video and its relationship with Tales Games. Idk, I would love a new Tales Games to also end the debate. Tbh, I’m really excited for next year’s FNAF content. But now I worry that some people from Reddit/Twitter aren’t gonna agree with this take of the ITP Game. As always, Thanks Squawks
One thing I would like to add, as someone who has been a skeptic on Stichline and Talesgames. I feel like if Scott didn't want us to think the books were or are very close to the games continuity, then this game and all its references to them are horribly misleading, and Scott would just be asking for us to be confused at this point. This is why I am more into Stichline and Talesgames as of now.
Yeah, I feel like he probably would have said *something* by now if he didn't want people taking Into The Pit as a bug clue, caus I'm certain he must have seen by now how people are theorizing about it.
Maybe the insides of the pit are directly the flip side, so just like in FNaF World, Oswald is able to manipulate memories and time (example: the clocks that set up Happiest Day in World). This would mean that agony is a possible pathway to the flip side and it can be accesible to living people like Oswald. Therefore the "I will put you back together" both in 4 and World would make sense. Whoever said that sentence is manipulating the flip side in order to set Happiest Day.
with the golden freddy thing, coming from someone who believes goldenduo, i think narratively it makes sense that bite victim was the golden freddy spirit present at happiest day, and moved on. leaving cassidy unrested. this is why we’d see her still present in fetch, possibly in princess quest, and even possibly inside the ar system in the tales book “drowning”. she never moved on. this goes on to make more sense under the whole “C Virus” theory that she acts like an anti-virus to glitchtrap now. i think it works. i know people arent fans of old characters still being around, but theres pieces in place for cassidy story to still keep going and actually make sense
It doesn't make sense narratively because there is no reason he would be grouped with the MCI. The fact it's the memory of his birthday doesn't matter because all of the 5 kids are in his memories, and he doesn't appear personally in any of them. It only "makes sense" if you're working backwards to justify Cassidy being in Andrew's role, even though it's Andrew's role and not hers.
@@damkylan3that’s because Scott most likely didn’t intend for Golden Freddy to contain the soul of a character he hadn’t even written yet (the crying child was written after FNAF 3), but with how heavy handed Fazbear Frights has been in drawing parallels to an animatronic having two souls, and the idea that the puppet is simply trying to help all the children move on (this is what FNAF world is, it makes sense that they would gather around to help him move on
@@TheAMVDorf You should probably tell GoldenDuo theorists that, then, because they still think the FNAF3 bad ending screen is hinting at two souls in GF, which runs contrary to this entire logic. lol The real question, then, is *when* did this supposed change happen? Because it wasn't in FNAF4. That game was meant to supplement Happiest Day and end the series. So Crying Child still wasn't the HD recipient when FNAF4 happened. Or FNAF World, for that matter. Fast forward to the gravestone ending of FNAF6, which mirrors Happiest Day and which most likely establishes the main MCI 5, with Cassidy's name hidden, and Charlie in the background. Even if you wanted to claim that CC is the fifth gravestone now, because Cassidy is not at rest, that doesn't work because Charlie is also not at rest, as shown by Frights. Yet she has a gravestone. There's an interesting theory that we can't see Charlie and Cassidy's names because they're not at rest yet. Which is a good theory and just might be true... but if that's the case, then the fifth gravestone is Cassidy, not CC. The logic just doesn't hold up. And no, it can't be UCN either, for reasons of Andrew. I'm not averse to the idea that Stitchwraith is meant to parallel GF. I don't like it, but I accept it could be true with some decent evidence. And if it stopped there, that'd be fine. But most people who argue this can't help but try to shove Cassidy into roles where she doesn't belong just so CCReceiver makes sense. And I just don't see why I should believe that, as opposed to the original point... which is that CC is essential to helping the MCI move on, and in so doing, granting him rest as well. Simple, clean, and effective.
@@damkylan3 except i think andrew is andrew … i dont think cassidy is the vengeful spirit but we have a golden freddy spirit moving on in happiest day and then a golden freddy spirit present at UCN… bc theres two of them… stuff in the new book the week before has been supporting this idea too
Eleanor is likely "The shadow" that Nightmare mentions in UCN. Given this, she's likely shadow baby: the agony of SL personified. Edit: I think the collection of Bon Bon is a happiest day thing. Bon bon being there causes her to escape. In fact, those parts by the mill are likely the parts Millie's grand dad collects later on, likely leaving bon bon alone
I feel like this game if it is in the mainline, is actively rewritting Stitchline to better fit the game lore. The Into the Pit games outcomes actively cintradict the books version of Into the Pit and also the book Stitchline. The two most likely canon endings each contradict Stitchline in some ways. In the 2 star ending, Jeff dies and in the book version of Stitchline, Jeff is alive to give Larson the keys to the pizzeria. Now the 3 star ending most closely resembles the book version of Into the Pit's ending, HOWEVER... Even if the 3 star ending is canon, it shows Jeff's as an absolutely bumpin' business. In Stitchline, Jeff's is abandoned and completely run down as it was in the original story when Larson finds it. It's in the same disrepair as the book version and contains things that game version of the pizzeria does not have "but eventually, his search led him to the derelict place he stood in front of now. A tired-looking man gave Larson the key to what appeared to be an old restaurant. Then the old guy shuffled off as if he didn't care at all what Larson might do with the place" - Stinger #8 In the 3 star ending there are new tables with new clothes and Jeff has a new uniform, the ground is no longer checker pattern. And there's new advertisements all along the back of the dining area. "The cavernous dining room he stood in held nothing, nothing but cracked vinyl booths and scarred tables The tables were lined on a 'black-and-white checkerboard floor, and the booths hugged pale yellow walls," - Stinger #8 The Pizzeria has the exact same wallpaper and floor tiling it did in the original into the pit story. The place is still the same rubdown dump it was in the book version of Into the Pit. Same checkered floors and peeling yellow wallpaper. The game pizzeria lacks those completely in the 3 star ending, so unless Jeff put back the same wall pain and reinstalled the checkered floors, then they contradict. It's one or the other. Also 6:35 I'm pretty sure thats meant to be Helpy
Godzilla nerd talk, the kaiju movie mentioned in ITP being named “2020” could actually suggest ITP takes place the year prior, 2019. The Godzilla movies have a tendency of basing events and items around the year after they were released: - “Godzilla 2000 / Millennium” was released in 1999. - Type-3 Kiryu is completed in 2003, the same year that its movie “Godzilla against Mechagodzilla” is set, which itself released in 2002. - “Godzilla: Final Wars” was originally going to be called “Godzilla: 2005”, despite releasing in 2004 for the Kaiju’s 50th anniversary.
Honestly, at this stage, I think we've gotten more hints at FNAF 3 & 6 not taking place in 2023 than we have confirming it. The only reason we have 2023 at all is because of the funky wording in the FNAF 3 steam bio saying "Thirty years after Freddy Fazbear's Pizza closed its doors". Now, logically, this would imply the game takes place 30 years post FNAF 1 (even though we have very little evidence to say that Fazbear 100% closed the same year as FNAF 1 bar one newspaper, which honestly I think refers to the 85 location, not the one in the game). However, we have to remember that FNAF 3 is a sequel to FNAF 2, which definitively shows the closure of the pizzeria after night 6. In fact, it's the only confirmed closure date bar FNAF 6. I think FNAF 3 is far more likely to take place in 2017, or potentially even 2015. Regarding the HRY223 log, that would be a very strange way to indicate 2023, as NOBODY abbreviates the year by removing only 1 number from the MIDDLE of the date. I think it might be an unfortunate coincidence, but I can also understand why that's a lazy argument. However, plenty of details from the books, from the logbook (see the "real value" code), from Security Breach and even from this new game, really seems to suggest that we were wrong about FNAF 3's placement. It also just never sat right with me why Scott would randomly pick 2023 as the setting of the new FNAF game when releasing it in... Oh look at that... 2015! Without that Steam description I don't think this ever would have been a discussion at all. There's absolutely no in game evidence to suggest we're playing in "the near future". If anything it would make way more sense to set the game in "modern day". If there's any details I've missed or particularly damning evidence from a book or something please let me know.
The ITP game definitely feels like Scott taking the opportunity to kind of tweak the FF stories to fit better into the main game timeline which makes sense from both a common sense franchise angle and in terms of how we know FF was written. Per the second interview Scott explains that he comes up with a 10-15 page script and then leaves it to a team of writers to flesh it out into a final draft. So in a way maybe ITP The Game is the 100% Cawthon cut of that story (maybe, he does make it sound like Mega Cat were kinda doing their own thing with occasional moments of needing to step in). Either way great vid, knew you'd find this game interesting to talk about continuity wise.
Two points: - I think ITP just implies that both FFPS and FNAF 3 (by extension) happen earlier than we thought. While things like HRY223 do imply 2023 as the date, it has never really been set in stone - An easier explanation than "the pit affects the past", to me, is "the pit affects the present". We know these weird alternate dimension things can have effects on the real world (as seen in RUIN), so anything we do there might just cause differences in Jeff's instead.
Yeah I agree. 2015 as the date for FnaF 3 always made more sense for several reason (there's something about the paychecks that is explained in the 8 hour GiBi video that I can't remember), but the fact that Into the Pit depicts the pizzaria of the MCI, which we know closes because of the MCI, and we've now three times had confirmed to be in 1985, and if we assume that it closed the same year (regardless of it being started up again in the 90s for FnaF 1), then thirty years later would be exactly 2015.
Also another idea, in the name "HRY223", It could literally be that "223" in the name is actually henry's Birthday month and day with him being born on 23rd February (Note: I know it's random but I wanted to throw in the Infinite void of FNaF theories)
On the side note, wouldn’t Millie become Bonnet? Because if we’re collecting Bon-Bon in the minigame and that Millie herself has green eyes, wouldn’t this imply that she ends up as Bonnet? Of course, CTW Funtime Freddy might different from our Funtime Freddy but couldn’t CTW Freddy be Yenndo after all? I pointed that out in one of RyeToast’s ITP streams, so I’m curious if this could *possibly* connect to Bonnet
@@abigailbishop8267 Same, I really think that works after all since CTW is like way after SL, so Bonnet and Yenndo might’ve a journey different from now on
I’m just happy my childhood favorite horror game is still around, I first got into Fnaf in 3rd grade and now I’m 19 I just hope they keep expanding and keep it going for as long as humanly possible.
11:10 Mm, sorta? The *graphic novel only* says 2020, but it *also* skipped the 1985 calendar then had Oz ask his dad about 1985 like we're supposed to assume it, so it's kinda *myeh* in the air
Interesting video and I do for the most part like the idea of this game being a revision. Scott doing this as a way to "fix" the stories and possibly make them fit better into the games timeline is something I just can't quite fully convince myself of though. The way he talked about into the pit's development with it starting as a small novelty game and then blooming into something bigger with Scott not hearing from megacat for many months at the time does give the opposite impression of this being Scott meticulously revising and fixing things up. On the otherhand, iirc djsterf said something along the lines of many little details and eastereggs being changed or removed, which would line up with the revision you stated. Its honestly hard to parse what exactly is going on with everything in this game. Were certain details like the possessed golden freddy in the fetch minigame megacats idea or Scott's? If it was megacat's then did Scott see it and go "yep thats perfect" or did he just approve it without REALLY thinking through what the implications for such a detail could be. Thats not to mention all the cut vanny content, which ofcourse since its cut we can't use for lore discussion but it can atleast raise questions on what the intent of these minigames was at some point. And if this is the start to a series of games revising the lore and stitchline, how far will this go? Will we see basically every stitchline story covered including the epilogues? Or will we just be left with into the pit (+CTW, TBB, and Fetch kinda) and the potential future Fetch game (+whatever it has). And what then? Do we then consider the not covered stories to not be canon to our new "revised stitchline" game continuity? Do we just take the not covered stories as they are without revision? These are questions obviously not able to be answered right now, but it does make me worry about the future of theorising and lore surround this stuff. Unless this really is just a fun anniversary game :)
At first I didn't want the stories to be in the same universe, but the story was always a bit messy so I guess I'm fine with it. After the game I read my first book "count the ways" and it was actually pretty good. I didn't know these books were actually something
I'm not sure if Frights and the Games exist in the same world, but for now, I'm open to Newstitichline. However, I don't consider it canon until it's stated by Scott or somebody else. I do like the idea Frights are not directly canon but show canon events
i think for the most part people try to point out very small things to find out why frights/talesgames aren’t canon when they just need to admit that when you have so many people making media for this franchise there’s just.. gonna be little problems. they’ve already admitted multiple times that there’s unintentional inconsistencies in the books and games bcuz scott doesn’t check in on every minute detail.
The Bon Bon hand is REALLY bothering me, I'm not sure what to make of it even remotely. There's very clearly pink pixels on there, implying that it's THE Funtime Freddy, but in the original story the colouration of that Funtime Freddy's shell was distinctly different. So like...would that be a retcon...? Something to differentiate this game from Frights? I honestly can't make heads or tails of that. Edit just because I wanna talk more about this: My honest opinion on this game overall, though? I don't think it's a confirmation of stitchline games at all, really. To be honest, in fact, I'm pretty sure it just exists in its own space timeline wise, as to be more accessible and allow any Fnaf fan to enjoy it. There's too many references to too many little things all across the Fnaf series that are just about impossible to weed out from the things that ARE important. Garrett's plane in the safe room, for example.
The awnser is extremely simple: The devs wanted to signal to non book readers that the minigame was referencing a story featuring Funtime Freddy, so they put his hand in there to make this clear.
@@Wattson19 there's only 2 pink and white bears in the series it's not that hard especially with the context of the original story. I feel like it's way more natural to connect it to meaning this Freddy has a Bon-Bon.
A theory I've heard regarding the minigames is given that these minigames look visually similar to the FNaF 2 minigames, it's possible that the memories present in the ballbit are mixing and melding together. Another theory I've heard (regarding the Stitchwraith showing up) is that Oswald could potentially be seeing visions of the future, which is a really fascinating idea in my opinion.
I can’t accept that ITP is full-on gameline canon with Oswald being a real person and all that considering what Scott told us during the interview. He was handsoff with it and let MegaCat do their own thing for months on end without intervening, the polar opposite of what he’s doing with Steel Wool because he doesn’t want another SB to happen. At most, it’s a in-universe game in gameline’s canon.
Another problem with ITP being canon is how much it changes about the missing children incident, not being caused by Afton, but instead some sort of animatronic made of agony
@@TheAMVDorfThe MCI is by Afton, this is a distorted memory, The MCI thought William was actually springbonnie so he is seen as an organic springbonnie in the memory.
About Golden Freddy, the Fazbear Frights story clue us into how something like UCN would be possible, according to one of the stories, the spirit (in this case Cassidy inside of Golden Freddy as seen in the Fetch minigame) would have to stay haunting the animatronic in order to keep Afton in a sort of “purgatory” to torture him forever, so that’s why he’s still possessed
There is are two flaws with the 2015 date. Firstly, the original bio for FNaF 3 doesn't imply it in the slightest. It just says after FFP closed, which it would be weird to use a date completely detached from the original two games. Secondly, Henry's Insanity Ending tape is labelled HRY223, which unless Scott has created some insane coincidence means that FNaF 6 could not happen prior to 2023.
17:11 someone finally touched on the thing I been wondering about, Bonnie’s guitar in Jeff’s pizza, if it disappears after repairing it in the past or not
I really like the idea that jeffs pizza getting renovated changed the layout of the 1985 pizzeria in the pit and that the pit world effects the real one aswell
This has big implications about the survival logs, because while Cassidy is using the faded text to talk to Evan on the flipside, William could be the one who actually wrote the text and intended it for Michael to see and react in the physical realm like a creepy stalker.
i also think after security breach scott is eventually planning to make one definitive "mega" timeline where the games and the books are both canon instead of always existing in this weird limbo of some of it not and some of it just being allegories, since after the tales of pizzaplex in my opinion scott has been slowly merging the two continuities together.
Because we see Old Man Consequences in the original version of the Balloon Boy mini game, I would imagine that if this game takes place in the main FNAF continuity, it takes place in the same part of it as FNAF World and the Princess Quest games where the digital and paranormal afterlives overlap a bit more and create this odd digital dimension. Maybe it's just fully the after life, and the games are just a way to contextualize the after life in a way for the audience to understand and these games aren't literally what's happening in the after life. Like, do we believe that if UCN is Afton's hell, then do we have to believe that everything in UCN is literally what's happening in his hell? Because that would mean Golden Freddy gave Afton Death Tokens to help him in hell, or that he gave Afton a goal to just survive for five hours before the loop is forced to restart.
10:20 I wonder if the additions the writer of CtW added included the modern references. In the book, they reference online shopping and current mobile phones, which definitely places it in the 2010s-20s. Which would obviously NOT make her BonBon. But if that was the addition….
Squawks makes some really good points. Scott is relaxing his hold on the narrative he wants to portray and it’s paying off very well. I do think that updated story lines are what we should be focusing on. And perhaps the references we find in MegaCat games will help separate the FF stories that Scott wants in the games timeline away from those he doesn’t want in the timeline.
That’s sorta what I’ve been thinking. While the original books aren’t part of game continuity, the game (s) based on the books will better fit with the game continuity.
This is so incredibly messy. In adaptation, turned a memory world into some screwed up agony timetravel portal and it is unclear what version, if any of the two actually is, is more according to actual intention. Fantastic.
Something I'd like to add for ITP's placement on the timeline: Oswald mentions that the mill has been closed for 3 years, and he is "pretty sure" the garbage found there has been there since it closed. Considering the garbage consists of Trash & the Gang and (debatably) Helpy and yellow and brown arms and a light blue bunny (the Rockstars?), this would imply that Trash & the Gang have been at the Mill for 3 years (unless Oswald is just wrong for some reason). Unless we're saying ITP happens before FFPS, this would imply that ITP happens at least 3 years after FFPS, otherwise Trash & the Gang (and debatably, the other FFPS characters featured) shouldn't be there, so 2026 at a minimum Furthermore, the calendar in one of the classrooms features specific days crossed out, with what should be August 31st on either friday or saturday depending on the system used. Excluding any pre-2023 dates featured, August 31st on a friday or saturday can only happen in either 2024, 2029 or 2030. 2024 doesn't work with the mill/trash & the gang evidence, so that leaves us with 2029 or 2030, meaning that ITP is either just as close to SB and FFPS, or is actually closer to SB's time than FFPS's
I'm unconvinced that what happened with Security Breach is exactly what happened with the Frights books. Simply because I know just how much goes into a book writing/publishing process. Scott would've had to approve any final draft from any ghostwriter. That's a requirement for any ghostwriter. So if Scott didn't like how something was portrayed in the books, then he would've had it changed before being finalized. Security Breach got funky because that was the point where so much of the internet was trying to cancel Scott due to someone leaking his political donations. So he was trying to step back from the franchise and retire. After Security Breach, his retirement became less of a retirement and more of a CEO position for the franchise. To me, this just feels like a spin-off game surrounding the Frights books because the stories are interesting. It doesn't NEED to fit into the main game's continuity. Of course there would be easter eggs to the other Frights books because that's it's own storyline.
@@soomi5667 Yeah, for me, I highly doubt my mind will change unless Scott himself specifically says "These are canon to the main games." Like people flipping out over Five Laps At Freddy's, which is 100% just a spin-off game.
@@shaelynmartin1996 to be fair, the "midnight motor" 100% being aftons car because of a decal is important with how much the community ripped itself apart over who the Mustard Man in midnight motorist was. but i think going deeper than that is a bit insane honestly.
@@MahNamJeff But that doesn't exactly prove anything. The "proof" that's been tossed around is a pic posted by a studio who is only in charge of a spin-off game. Not Scott. So, again, unless Scott himself says this is the fact, the midnight motor car being in a spin-off game that can be driven by a Springtrap character doesn't exactly prove anything. It could just as easily be the devs of that game pushing what they think is canon or what is commonly accepted amongst the fanbase as a teaser.
@@shaelynmartin1996Scott oversees decisions that give lore answers, if the Midnight Motorist wasn’t William Afton, the Springbonnie Antenna and car description wouldn’t be in the game.
Look at all of the sister location references in this game. But this isn't circus baby's. This is THE sister location. The one where numerous springlock failures happened, as referenced in 3. That's my guess.
13:18. Happiest Day does take place and was meant to give Golden Freddy spirit peace. But Cassidy as Vengeful Spirit makes it clear why she doesn't move on in the voice lines of UCN. Particularly Orville Elephant: "I will hold you here, I will keep you here, no matter how many times. They burn us". Cassidy refuses to leave and instead uses her power to perpetually torment William Afton in hell
What if ITP’s version of Fetch is telling us that Golden Freddy was left behind from 6. That could explain why UCN happens. The ending cutscene is GF lingering, in that same spot depicted in the ballpit and Fetch. Maybe Henry didn’t know about Cassidy.
@@siresquawks What’s suggested in fnaf6 that’s very weird and creepy is is the Susie minigame because it implies that there is a different and fresher William Afton lurking around the fnaf6 location, and the player character is Susie (Chica), whom has bought and play tested this minigame in the location. This can explain where the burnt chica suit picture even came from because it could’ve been from Susie dying at the end of fnaf6 and losing her illusion disk from the flames. This is important because if William is up there taking on a human form, who is the Scraptrap down there? It’s also important because it would mean that the survival logs could’ve been made after fnaf6, since narrative of the faded text author is stupid weird. With William writing the text in the physical world towards Michael (like a creepy stalker going “I am you, and you are me”, and Cassidy using the same text to talk to Evan on the flipside of reality.
@@justice8718 That's not what's being suggested. We're repurposing old games to put into our pizzeria. Fruity Maze existed in the 80s, that's why Susie is there, and that's why William looks so fresh. It takes place during the MCI. He's still just Scraptrap in current time.
@@damkylan3 Sir, midnight motorist was bought and play tested in fnaf6 by the protagonist, and whenever it was play tested in that location, we see Susie’s face reflected on the screen. You’re the one completely ignoring current time and its events and how reflections work.
17:52 something interesting is iirc you can only do the frights minigames in the past on only fetches has to be doen before reaching Oswald's dad other wise it locks you of of playing that game again
Golden Freddy being there, kind of reminds me of how he was at the end of ultimate custom night, he could still be there keeping William in hell and hasn’t finished his revenge yet or something like that
@@docrilasgreat! now where was this confirmed? because you seem to be so sure of that and yet there are so many proofs that he doesn't even exist in games
@@feduwtc Andrew is the only version of TOYSNHK that we saw, and also,Help Wanted 2 confirms that Cassidy is in rest so she can't be TOYSNHK,also a version of the Fazbear Frights is in the games timeline so Andrew too And Into The Pit (who is a game) has Andrew in one of his minigames(he is Fetch) so if Into The Pit is in the games timeline Andrew is definitily in the games too
@@docrilas1. ITP being canon is far from confirmed 2. If you mean the VS face we we in UCN, shouldn’t he have his gator mask? 3. Even assuming that’s what the graves mean (god those things are frustratingly vague for how people treat them), this would just mean that UCN is over by HW2. Which is very possible depending on what you believe Glitchtrap or the princess to be or if we just assume that Cassidy listened to OMC. 4. Idk what you’re trying to say with that FF point.
9:05 I feel absolutely vindicated. Ive been saying for years that something felt off, and that I felt like the theorist community was wrong in some of our most basic assumptions. I chalked it up to too much emphasis on the older games in their/our thinking, but Im realizing it might be because the information were working on is outright wrong/inaccurate/bloated.
Another answers to the Golden Freddy mystery: in this supposed rebooted Frights timeline Fetch happens before fnaf 6, and they're actuality changing a lot about the books
into the pit being an in universe game makes sense with frights fiction + all the tv screen menus and stuff but also i like oswald and want him to be real
just a loose idea here but perhaps the minigames are meant to be interpreted backwards it would make definitely make Elanor's and fetches make more sense and it fits with the theme of the game which is literally going back in time someone look at the minigames with this in mind and tell me if it makes any sense
5:00 I guess, now that I look at it, it's meant to be FF's arm. But I originally thought it was supposed to be his whole body, with the pinks representing his neck, hands and feet, and Bon Bon was replacing his head. Which would be a roundabout way of suggesting decapitation, which is ultimately the final choice for Millie in the story. The main issue being that it doesn't really match his design, and even if it was meant to be simplified, there were so many easier ways they could have reflected that without bringing up Bon Bon. But then that's really weird because why is the final choice not reflected at all when all the other ones were?
Maybe ITP takes place before Fetch because the stitchwraith is MISSING the battery. The lack of the battery must be an important detail because of its depiction in the encyclopedia and because steelwool claims to be diligent with small details like colors.
Stitchwraith needs the battery to live in the stories so IDK. When it gets damaged after he got shot in it he could barely move and drag himself to the pit to finish his work.
I haven't read the original story but from playing the game I got the impression that rather than time travel, the pit has a pocket dimension of some sort where it's always that specific point in time and whatever changes happen outside could be explained by the corruption created by whatever got out of the pit instead of the father at the beginning of the game through, maybe, the same mechanism that slowly rots Oswald's house.
That's part of the working theory but the new game makes it a little less clear. The simplest non-timetravel version is that it's like the upside-down from stranger things where it has a sort of link and effect on the real world- though time travel would explain a lot in its own way.
I still believe it's just a adaptation and don't get the reason why it should be anything else. Using a game that allows you to call a RANDOM number to hear springtraps death is clearly not canon, no matter what. Unless you wanna argue "oh but these Easter eggs proves MY THEORY so it should be canon, but anything else in the game that would not make sense in any theory ever, like stitchwraith showing up for no reason, or references to other stories being clearly loosely adapted, or springtrap call, or the 1940s fredbears poster..." For no reason. It's like saying that Lego Star Wars is canon... No. It's full of references because it's made by people who are fans themselves. Am I crazy? Or in a bubble or something? Why do I feel like most people try to fit the game in some sort of preexisting timeline when it doesn't need to be and most likely shouldn't?
Afton gets burned after getting spring trapped in both canons... this tells me this either WAS the missing children's incident, ORRRR, RIGHT AFTER AFTON GOT SPRINGTRAPPED, ORRR ITS THE MIMIC, seeing as it is the way it is, the spring Bonnie suit doesn't look damaged or wethered which would imply the animatronic/suit is still relatively new, which pushes the timeline back to somewhere around the 80s or 90s cus the spring lock suits got discontinued, so that leaves us with one solution, THIS IS THE MISSING KIDS INCIDENT
Ngl I do think that the entirety of this game tapes place in a memory of the MCI & Oswald and considering that the new interactive books are canon to the games then the new ITP book may be a sequel to this game in which Oswald's spirit is saved from looping over and over again inside the pit.
SB implies that William is now going around as Dave Miller, Michael is working there under a different name, and Susie is back to play fruity maze till she is kicked out for trying to break the machine (like she did in fnaf6, making her the unexpected protagonist of that game, explaining the reactions they have to her since they didn’t get to see Michael).
to me, into the pit is like... scott said that they offered to add more and more to the game, and that he let them take longer to do that... i think the people who made into the pit (game) were honestly just... having a lot of fun developing the game! and just. putting in random easter eggs and things they thought would be cool. i really dont think this was like, given that much of a "yes this makes sense within a continuity" from scott, unless hes explicitly said so and i missed that like, i really think its just ... a celebration of everything fnaf, which means that. many things are merely references... tl;dr i think the devs just had a lot of fun with the opportunity to make a fnaf game, and didnt concern themselves with the lore as much as just, stuffing in references to everything fnaf another weird idea could be that the books are books in universe and theyre coverups that get some details wrong, lmao. only half joking.
Fnaf 3 takes place in 2015, it is 30 years after mci in 1985 obviously Freddy’s closed when that happened and also it’s the year the game came out so it just makes sense.
hey wait do golden freddy's eyes go away when you get close? i feel like that's a pretty important detail, is there something hiding in there, like how oz hides in the freddy suit that's crumpled up against the wall?
I had a lot of difficulty parsing out what the last item in the Count The Ways minigame was, I didn't even register it as Bon-Bon until this video But I really like the theory that Millie ends up possessing BonBon (along with all the others in this vid tbh) ~
Ok so I feel the basic understanding is that if Stitchline is confirmed by Into the Pit then the relevant Frights stories need to be explained and i think i got it. *Into the Pit* has no evidence for being after FNAF 6 nor does some of the other Frights stories. Sure it's implied but the stories that are basically the origin of Stritchwraith itself ( *Fetch* and *The Real Jake* for example) have no concrete set date to happen. Theres nothing stopping some of the stories to take place long before Stitchwraith. Ones like Out of Stock, *1:35 A.M.* and *Step closer* obviously all happen after Stitchwraith as we know they collected the pieces of the animatronics and stuff. But the stuff like Eleanor creating the Plushtrap chaser (which we know that it existed for a while since people repeatedly kept sending it back to the store) and terrorising people in *1:35 am* , *Step Closer* , *Blackbird* and *Hide-and-Seek* don't need to be around the same time as Stitchwraith. I'm just saying there can be time jumps in between stories. Like: *Room for one more* obviously takes place before Sister Location which has SnackSpace from *Into the Pit* mentioned in it *Prankster* has Glitchtrap in it so its after Help Wanted was in development. *What We Found* is basically a retelling of FNAF 3 *Room 1280* says William has been there for a long while after FNAF 6, all these are years apart from eachother so stories can happen at any point in the canon. So *Into the Pit* ,*Fetch* , *The Real Jake* and all the stories where Eleanor was involved with creating things like *To Be Beautiful* can happen years before FNAF 6. Eleanor and the Stitchwraith can do there own thing for a long while from when they are created And then the stories like *Room 1280* and everything we know the Stitchwraith is connected with can happen after FNAF 6. If Into the Pit is indeed canon to the games then it can make sense when you consider there is a gap in time between the stories. This explains how and why we see *Fetch* , *To Be Beautiful* and *Count the Ways* can be in the game, because they happen before Oswald goes in the pit. *Here's addressing some possible contradictions:* The Easter eggs are not canon as the developers said and the Stitchwraith can appear in Oswald's window because they do exist at that time. I know you guys will say no because Andrew went into Fetch after William exploded in the factory but his spirit was split across many things when that happened and nothing really says Andrew was in Fetch during *Fetch* and could easily of latched to Fetch as it would of had agony from being beaten up like what happened to the Mimic. Fetch can just be a faulty product, it may be a lame answer but not everything can be great (Fazgoo and Springtrap pregnancy anyone). Eleanor is still a mystery but if she is indeed and agony creature created after either Elizabeth’s death, the agony collected from the kids William experiments with in his bunker (my personal belief) or just is Shadow Freddy like people have theorised before, nothing is stopping her from existing for a long time until we see her in the Stitchwraith stingers. What do you all think?
FNAF 3 & 6 would make sense to not be in 2023 because of the real value code in logbook. It places FNAF 3 somehere in 2015 or 2017 if I remember correctly
I feel like if anything, Into the Pit possibly confirms the date of FnaF 3 as being in 2015, and therefore implying PizzaSim to be before 2023 as well. It just makes logical sense that "30 years after the closing of Freddy Fazbear's Pizza" probably refers to the original, and what else would have caused the original location to close but not the now three times confirmed 1985 MCI? 1985 is exactly 30 years before 2015, which coincides with the release year and thus requires fewer logical leaps. It also makes explanations for later events make more timeline sense because it doesn't require such a late date for Pizza Sim and we can finally put the 2023 date to rest.
So, How the Ball pit worked Originally is This: The Plastic Balls had Blood inside them, That Blood is Date Noted to timzones, Like 1985 That Blood Probably Contains Remnant or Agony, That Tries to Recreate what happened in Those Dates, As a Memory And as such that Ghost Stuff Haunts The Ball pit Enough So That You can Go into this CONVINCING Memory Copy of the Past, Does Not Not Effect The Past But There are Slight Differences, Because the Remnant Remembers The Past Differently, Like Springbonnie Having a Grimm Looking inner Jaw. But if You Can Go INTO The Memory, Things Created From that Memory Can Come Back OUT. Like the Rat. Also, You Can Call in The Future, Even if You're in The Past. So if Phone Signals Work, then Mabey GGY could Hack The Arcade Games, Through Some Connected Network System Mabey. Also Wasn't The Elanour Heart Locket Thing an illusion Disk?
Honestly, I have no idea how people recognised that things as the Stitchwraith. I'm pretty used to that kind of chunky-pixel graphics but I couldn't even see that there was a thing there.
@@siresquawks trying to connect into the pit game with the main continuity, the game is just for fun and offers a look into how different things happened in the game continuity, take the story itself for example, it's a parallel to how Michael saw his farther after finding out what he did, he didn't see him as his farther but as the man in the yellow rabbit costume. assuming all of the stories are important and trying to put them together overcomplicates the lore and means that nothing makes sense, trying to connect things piece by piece instead of assuming ever piece is for the same puzzle is a silly idea, sorting through the pieces needs to be done before a puzzle can be put together
My favorite Squawks video is the one where he talks about the lore implications of a Godzilla stand in franchise for a loooooooooong time.
Unironic did love that part given I am a huge Godzilla Fan
Link please I need to see this
@@king_plasmaSAME
You going in for your surgery billy?
is this a gg reference? lmao
I went into this video not being onboard with Into the Pit being in the games continuity, cause most of the evidence I heard for that claim was “Why wouldn’t it be?” But you really sold me the reasons why with Scott’s method of writing the books and how he’s been course correcting since Security Breach
It's interesting; Scott's been a solo dev for a long time and maybe collaboration didn't come naturally to him. Getting people to write your lore based on clues seems like a really bad idea.
I feel like I'm in exactly the same boat, ever since the Scott Interview I was doubtful the game would be canon (though I did want it to be), and after playing it myself I had more or less resigned to accepting it as a fun but non-canon spinoff
And maaaybe its just cope, but idk, this video has definitely convinced me of it's canonicity again
I love your video because it touches upon something I've saying since into the pit came (the novel). How ITP is only a means to convey certain information and you can discard the rest. They were teaching us about the power of agony + memories. While also hammering the point on the AMOUNT of missing children
Two quick tangents, the announcer talking about not shoving kids heads into the animatronics... Again and the fact the promo is called "the golden bite of 83" feels like so on brand with Fazbear. Making light of what happened to confuse the public and make it a rumor in plain sight, now when people ask about the bite of 83 other people answer with "ohh yeah they had that promotion for a while it was crazy!! 83 slices!"
Now onto the main point... I do believe that the game takes liberties in how they presented the kills that first night. Even though it showed all the kids being dead from the start... My guess is
You have 5 nights, you "save" a kid each night... My best bet is that you are actually reliving how they originally died. One trapped in an Endo, two stuffed in a freezer, one lured into a back room and one tortured (as shown by the hammer and yes that toy hammer is a metaphor for the torture I believe) (this to me is actually the origins of TOYSNHK... William tried to extract remnant, but in turn it ended up creating the most vengeful spirit, one filled with agony)
At this point is clear that Wiliam has some knowledge about remnant and agony and he is experimenting with the optimal way of producing more, that's why we see different ways of killing kids. And here is the curve ball... For a long time I've thinking that the building HAS to be possessed... Drawings and news clippings keep changing on their own, the destruction of the pizzeria itself in the movie and "interactable tiles in the walls" this to me is clarified in into the pit...
Oswald is the last victim, the sixth kid that was hidden in the pit and went on to posses the building itself.
The ballon boy minigame in ITP kinda proves this. After you collect the original five party hats you collect one more... One... Thrown into the pit
(Just a theory😅)
Fnaf: into the continuity is a diabolical title
Indeed it is
Another detail that is against Stichline games is Afton himself. In Fazbear Frights, he is a burned out man in a hospital. However in Fnaf 6, he is very much decayed. He is missing an arm and at least part of his head is rotted enough to reveal his skull. How the hell would he be taken to a hospital and those details not mentioned!?
Edit: someone also pointed out how Afton's body would get to the hospital if Stichline Games was true. He was in a secret part of a building that eventually collapsed underground. That is very much inconsistent with how the body would feasibly end up in the Fazbear Frights story. Even the original 10-15 page draft should have included/covered such an important detail.
As I say in the video- I think we're getting a kind reboot or revision of the storyline to fix a lot of oddities in the timeline and continuity that were confusing or vague.
@@siresquawksassuming that they actually make enough spin-off games to get to that point, probably. It still seems like a very big detail to mix-up for a character, especially since Scott designed Scraptrap around that point.
Honestly, Fazbear Frights Afton seems like he is more like Silver Eyes Afton at times. Silver Eyes Afton *was* the only version of William we know that got out of the Springbonnie suit.
@@tinaherr3856 maybe because afton design is always inconcistent
@@tinaherr3856 ngl william going to springtrap to scraptrap is already pretty weird
Feel like you are missing the point of TMIR1280, That being
Afton was still alive (also mind you that fnaf is never consistent with its design, in fact scraptrap even has two arms in sb instead if of just having one)
This game feels like a confirmation to Frights Fiction to me. It would explain so much about the game. The theory that the Frights books are Goosebump style books that Fazbear LLC sells during the Pizza Plex Era. Similar to Help Wanted being cover-ups to real events and rumors. This explains why book characters like Fetch appear on the game cabinets in the Pizza Plex despite seemingly not being real characters.
This would explain why Into the Pit is displayed via a TV screen. Fetch, To Be Beautiful, and Count the Ways are referenced as Fazbear LLC would own those stories. Same with the Stichwraith (which, according to the books, happens a decade or so after UCN, which makes no sense for Into the Pit's 2018ish era). GGY is explained because that would be a thing during the Pizza Plex era. Music Man, Helpy, Trash and the Gang, Minirinas, Toy Animatronics are all things they own and can throw in the game as Easter Eggs due to owning those characters. Also they never reference the Yellow Bunny as Afton because they don't want people knowing that there is some real events they are covering up.
As of the Help Wanted era, Fazbear LLC knows a lot about the past and is covering it up so it's possible that some real things based on rumors they need to cover are in the game, very much like Help Wanted having stuff like the MCI. Things like 6 + 1 dead children would be based on real events. OG 5 + Charlie, plus they mentioned the Bite of '83. A man in the Spring Bonnie costume did lure and kill kids in 1985, but they changed the way it was presented to avoid connecting it the real murders. This game doesn't present the idea that the kids were killed in the saferoom because Fazbear LLC doesn't want the idea of the saferooms to be known. However, the way the game presents the deaths might be hints to the way they actually died, or at least the very least, just the springlocking one.
Edit: Scott never said another in universe game can't exist, only that as of the time of Help Wanted, the only current in universe games are the Indies and Help Wanted.
Would also line up with the Arcades in SB having characters from the books, also makes me wonder if maybe the Silver Eyes trilogy could slot into that as well considering there is a poster for The Twisted Ones in Oswald's rooms (occasionally appears as an easter egg). It's hard to pin because it's absurdly meta, but I guess we already know the first 6 games exist in the world of FNAF, so these also being games would check out.
people in tales seem to know about william actually being the killer in the springbonnie suit and the stingers kinda
@@Narodle Well, if that is the case, it doesn't really change the theory. The whole idea is that Fazbear LLC is releasing the books to make fun of rumors (the rumors actually being real events). If it's rumored that Afton is the Spring Bonnie Killer, then it makes scenes that Fazbear LLC would make fun of it in their own twisted way of covering things up.
@@jeremymorris345 feel like frights fiction more or so just confirms those things still happened ngl
@@Narodle Not really. The idea is that the books are Goosebumps styles stories that are mostly, if not completely, made up by Fazbear LLC to sell merchandise.
The game Into the Pit is similar. The main storyline, Oswald, the Ball Pit, Jeffs, is all made up. However, similar to Help Wanted, it makes fun of some things that actually happened like The MCI.
i'm inhaling so much frightsfiction copium
Wdym. Are you saying we're coping to not accept frightsfictoin
@@Sing87ehI think they mean "please let this be frightsfiction, and not frights canon"
@@leritykay8911 so there frights fiction
CU in portuguese means ass so the end teaser is really funny without any context from the book
I was watching AstralSpiff play ITP live and someone in chat mentioned that. It ended up becoming the running gag of the stream.
im definitely excited for a possible fetch game, especially in a similar style to into the pit! it was a great game imo
Let's just hope than even with this "fixing the FF stories to match the games" thing, they won't bring up "In The Flesh" at all. I don't want to get LHUGUENY flashbacks while I'm playing a FNAF game.
based on the dawko interview it seems like In the flesh and fazgoo are the stories Scott liked the least in hindsight so probably not.
@@siresquawksThank god.
@@siresquawksAnother W for Scott
ITSABOY.exe
@@justice8718 Glitchtrap doing that on Vanessa if “In the Flesh” parallels Help Wanted 1
Thank you Squawks because this game was really becoming the new FNAF 4. And I feel like a New Stitchline would be a fresh start to the end the toxic debate over the Frights and Tales Books.
Can’t wait to see your SB without SB video, but I’m more interested in a VIP theory video and its relationship with Tales Games. Idk, I would love a new Tales Games to also end the debate.
Tbh, I’m really excited for next year’s FNAF content. But now I worry that some people from Reddit/Twitter aren’t gonna agree with this take of the ITP Game.
As always, Thanks Squawks
One thing I would like to add, as someone who has been a skeptic on Stichline and Talesgames. I feel like if Scott didn't want us to think the books were or are very close to the games continuity, then this game and all its references to them are horribly misleading, and Scott would just be asking for us to be confused at this point. This is why I am more into Stichline and Talesgames as of now.
Yeah, I feel like he probably would have said *something* by now if he didn't want people taking Into The Pit as a bug clue, caus I'm certain he must have seen by now how people are theorizing about it.
Maybe the insides of the pit are directly the flip side, so just like in FNaF World, Oswald is able to manipulate memories and time (example: the clocks that set up Happiest Day in World).
This would mean that agony is a possible pathway to the flip side and it can be accesible to living people like Oswald. Therefore the "I will put you back together" both in 4 and World would make sense. Whoever said that sentence is manipulating the flip side in order to set Happiest Day.
Interesting theory
with the golden freddy thing, coming from someone who believes goldenduo, i think narratively it makes sense that bite victim was the golden freddy spirit present at happiest day, and moved on. leaving cassidy unrested. this is why we’d see her still present in fetch, possibly in princess quest, and even possibly inside the ar system in the tales book “drowning”. she never moved on. this goes on to make more sense under the whole “C Virus” theory that she acts like an anti-virus to glitchtrap now. i think it works. i know people arent fans of old characters still being around, but theres pieces in place for cassidy story to still keep going and actually make sense
It doesn't make sense narratively because there is no reason he would be grouped with the MCI. The fact it's the memory of his birthday doesn't matter because all of the 5 kids are in his memories, and he doesn't appear personally in any of them. It only "makes sense" if you're working backwards to justify Cassidy being in Andrew's role, even though it's Andrew's role and not hers.
@@damkylan3I mean…huh, you actually makes a good point there.
@@damkylan3that’s because Scott most likely didn’t intend for Golden Freddy to contain the soul of a character he hadn’t even written yet (the crying child was written after FNAF 3), but with how heavy handed Fazbear Frights has been in drawing parallels to an animatronic having two souls, and the idea that the puppet is simply trying to help all the children move on (this is what FNAF world is, it makes sense that they would gather around to help him move on
@@TheAMVDorf You should probably tell GoldenDuo theorists that, then, because they still think the FNAF3 bad ending screen is hinting at two souls in GF, which runs contrary to this entire logic. lol
The real question, then, is *when* did this supposed change happen? Because it wasn't in FNAF4. That game was meant to supplement Happiest Day and end the series. So Crying Child still wasn't the HD recipient when FNAF4 happened. Or FNAF World, for that matter. Fast forward to the gravestone ending of FNAF6, which mirrors Happiest Day and which most likely establishes the main MCI 5, with Cassidy's name hidden, and Charlie in the background. Even if you wanted to claim that CC is the fifth gravestone now, because Cassidy is not at rest, that doesn't work because Charlie is also not at rest, as shown by Frights. Yet she has a gravestone. There's an interesting theory that we can't see Charlie and Cassidy's names because they're not at rest yet. Which is a good theory and just might be true... but if that's the case, then the fifth gravestone is Cassidy, not CC. The logic just doesn't hold up. And no, it can't be UCN either, for reasons of Andrew.
I'm not averse to the idea that Stitchwraith is meant to parallel GF. I don't like it, but I accept it could be true with some decent evidence. And if it stopped there, that'd be fine. But most people who argue this can't help but try to shove Cassidy into roles where she doesn't belong just so CCReceiver makes sense. And I just don't see why I should believe that, as opposed to the original point... which is that CC is essential to helping the MCI move on, and in so doing, granting him rest as well. Simple, clean, and effective.
@@damkylan3 except i think andrew is andrew … i dont think cassidy is the vengeful spirit but we have a golden freddy spirit moving on in happiest day and then a golden freddy spirit present at UCN… bc theres two of them… stuff in the new book the week before has been supporting this idea too
Eleanor is likely "The shadow" that Nightmare mentions in UCN. Given this, she's likely shadow baby: the agony of SL personified.
Edit: I think the collection of Bon Bon is a happiest day thing. Bon bon being there causes her to escape.
In fact, those parts by the mill are likely the parts Millie's grand dad collects later on, likely leaving bon bon alone
I feel like this game if it is in the mainline, is actively rewritting Stitchline to better fit the game lore. The Into the Pit games outcomes actively cintradict the books version of Into the Pit and also the book Stitchline.
The two most likely canon endings each contradict Stitchline in some ways.
In the 2 star ending, Jeff dies and in the book version of Stitchline, Jeff is alive to give Larson the keys to the pizzeria.
Now the 3 star ending most closely resembles the book version of Into the Pit's ending, HOWEVER...
Even if the 3 star ending is canon, it shows Jeff's as an absolutely bumpin' business. In Stitchline, Jeff's is abandoned and completely run down as it was in the original story when Larson finds it. It's in the same disrepair as the book version and contains things that game version of the pizzeria does not have
"but eventually, his search led him to the derelict place he stood in front of now. A tired-looking man gave Larson the key to what appeared to be an old restaurant. Then the old guy shuffled off as if he didn't care at all what Larson might do with the place" - Stinger #8
In the 3 star ending there are new tables with new clothes and Jeff has a new uniform, the ground is no longer checker pattern. And there's new advertisements all along the back of the dining area.
"The cavernous dining room he stood in held nothing, nothing but cracked vinyl booths and scarred tables The tables were lined on a 'black-and-white checkerboard floor, and the booths hugged pale yellow walls," - Stinger #8
The Pizzeria has the exact same wallpaper and floor tiling it did in the original into the pit story. The place is still the same rubdown dump it was in the book version of Into the Pit. Same checkered floors and peeling yellow wallpaper. The game pizzeria lacks those completely in the 3 star ending, so unless Jeff put back the same wall pain and reinstalled the checkered floors, then they contradict. It's one or the other.
Also 6:35 I'm pretty sure thats meant to be Helpy
Godzilla nerd talk, the kaiju movie mentioned in ITP being named “2020” could actually suggest ITP takes place the year prior, 2019.
The Godzilla movies have a tendency of basing events and items around the year after they were released:
- “Godzilla 2000 / Millennium” was released in 1999.
- Type-3 Kiryu is completed in 2003, the same year that its movie “Godzilla against Mechagodzilla” is set, which itself released in 2002.
- “Godzilla: Final Wars” was originally going to be called “Godzilla: 2005”, despite releasing in 2004 for the Kaiju’s 50th anniversary.
It's also worth noting that there was an actual Godzilla movie released in 2019, whereas iirc 2020 was empty
All of the Heisei films also take place a year after they were releases except RoG and iirc Vs. Biollante
Wasn't expecting the Inscryption music cameo there.
Honestly, at this stage, I think we've gotten more hints at FNAF 3 & 6 not taking place in 2023 than we have confirming it.
The only reason we have 2023 at all is because of the funky wording in the FNAF 3 steam bio saying "Thirty years after Freddy Fazbear's Pizza closed its doors". Now, logically, this would imply the game takes place 30 years post FNAF 1 (even though we have very little evidence to say that Fazbear 100% closed the same year as FNAF 1 bar one newspaper, which honestly I think refers to the 85 location, not the one in the game). However, we have to remember that FNAF 3 is a sequel to FNAF 2, which definitively shows the closure of the pizzeria after night 6. In fact, it's the only confirmed closure date bar FNAF 6. I think FNAF 3 is far more likely to take place in 2017, or potentially even 2015.
Regarding the HRY223 log, that would be a very strange way to indicate 2023, as NOBODY abbreviates the year by removing only 1 number from the MIDDLE of the date. I think it might be an unfortunate coincidence, but I can also understand why that's a lazy argument.
However, plenty of details from the books, from the logbook (see the "real value" code), from Security Breach and even from this new game, really seems to suggest that we were wrong about FNAF 3's placement. It also just never sat right with me why Scott would randomly pick 2023 as the setting of the new FNAF game when releasing it in... Oh look at that... 2015!
Without that Steam description I don't think this ever would have been a discussion at all. There's absolutely no in game evidence to suggest we're playing in "the near future". If anything it would make way more sense to set the game in "modern day".
If there's any details I've missed or particularly damning evidence from a book or something please let me know.
The "Into the Pit" story reminds me of the music video for Tally Halls "Turn the Lights Out"
The ITP game definitely feels like Scott taking the opportunity to kind of tweak the FF stories to fit better into the main game timeline which makes sense from both a common sense franchise angle and in terms of how we know FF was written. Per the second interview Scott explains that he comes up with a 10-15 page script and then leaves it to a team of writers to flesh it out into a final draft. So in a way maybe ITP The Game is the 100% Cawthon cut of that story (maybe, he does make it sound like Mega Cat were kinda doing their own thing with occasional moments of needing to step in).
Either way great vid, knew you'd find this game interesting to talk about continuity wise.
Or Into the Pit is an in-universe game.
@@zenvariety9383 Nope, Scott confirmed that its not.
Two points:
- I think ITP just implies that both FFPS and FNAF 3 (by extension) happen earlier than we thought. While things like HRY223 do imply 2023 as the date, it has never really been set in stone
- An easier explanation than "the pit affects the past", to me, is "the pit affects the present". We know these weird alternate dimension things can have effects on the real world (as seen in RUIN), so anything we do there might just cause differences in Jeff's instead.
That's true on the second point- fnaf world also could work on it
Yeah I agree. 2015 as the date for FnaF 3 always made more sense for several reason (there's something about the paychecks that is explained in the 8 hour GiBi video that I can't remember), but the fact that Into the Pit depicts the pizzaria of the MCI, which we know closes because of the MCI, and we've now three times had confirmed to be in 1985, and if we assume that it closed the same year (regardless of it being started up again in the 90s for FnaF 1), then thirty years later would be exactly 2015.
Also another idea, in the name "HRY223", It could literally be that "223" in the name is actually henry's Birthday month and day with him being born on 23rd February
(Note: I know it's random but I wanted to throw in the Infinite void of FNaF theories)
Wow your videos just get
Better and better. I listen to these all
The time while I'm studying so thanks bird man ...
On the side note, wouldn’t Millie become Bonnet? Because if we’re collecting Bon-Bon in the minigame and that Millie herself has green eyes, wouldn’t this imply that she ends up as Bonnet?
Of course, CTW Funtime Freddy might different from our Funtime Freddy but couldn’t CTW Freddy be Yenndo after all?
I pointed that out in one of RyeToast’s ITP streams, so I’m curious if this could *possibly* connect to Bonnet
😮 oooh that's good, that's a cool theory
@@abigailbishop8267 Same, I really think that works after all since CTW is like way after SL, so Bonnet and Yenndo might’ve a journey different from now on
I’m just happy my childhood favorite horror game is still around, I first got into Fnaf in 3rd grade and now I’m 19 I just hope they keep expanding and keep it going for as long as humanly possible.
11:10 Mm, sorta? The *graphic novel only* says 2020, but it *also* skipped the 1985 calendar then had Oz ask his dad about 1985 like we're supposed to assume it, so it's kinda *myeh* in the air
Interesting video and I do for the most part like the idea of this game being a revision.
Scott doing this as a way to "fix" the stories and possibly make them fit better into the games timeline is something I just can't quite fully convince myself of though. The way he talked about into the pit's development with it starting as a small novelty game and then blooming into something bigger with Scott not hearing from megacat for many months at the time does give the opposite impression of this being Scott meticulously revising and fixing things up. On the otherhand, iirc djsterf said something along the lines of many little details and eastereggs being changed or removed, which would line up with the revision you stated.
Its honestly hard to parse what exactly is going on with everything in this game. Were certain details like the possessed golden freddy in the fetch minigame megacats idea or Scott's? If it was megacat's then did Scott see it and go "yep thats perfect" or did he just approve it without REALLY thinking through what the implications for such a detail could be.
Thats not to mention all the cut vanny content, which ofcourse since its cut we can't use for lore discussion but it can atleast raise questions on what the intent of these minigames was at some point.
And if this is the start to a series of games revising the lore and stitchline, how far will this go? Will we see basically every stitchline story covered including the epilogues? Or will we just be left with into the pit (+CTW, TBB, and Fetch kinda) and the potential future Fetch game (+whatever it has). And what then? Do we then consider the not covered stories to not be canon to our new "revised stitchline" game continuity? Do we just take the not covered stories as they are without revision? These are questions obviously not able to be answered right now, but it does make me worry about the future of theorising and lore surround this stuff.
Unless this really is just a fun anniversary game :)
At first I didn't want the stories to be in the same universe, but the story was always a bit messy so I guess I'm fine with it.
After the game I read my first book "count the ways" and it was actually pretty good. I didn't know these books were actually something
Glad to see people understand that fnaf is already nuts, the books just embrace it.
This game was so important and delivered! Happy 10 years!
There is a decent chance that gross ball pit made Oswald hallucinate the whole thing
Jeff really should have burned it down when he bought the place
I'm not sure if Frights and the Games exist in the same world, but for now, I'm open to Newstitichline. However, I don't consider it canon until it's stated by Scott or somebody else. I do like the idea Frights are not directly canon but show canon events
Same here
Haven't played the game yet, but I think that Into the Pit is an in-universe game.
@@zenvariety9383 It was never implied one way or another so who knows. But I doubt it was actually meant to be meta
@@zenvariety9383 Scott confirmed that this is not a in universe game.
The week before is a pretty obvious confirmation that they are in the games.
i think for the most part people try to point out very small things to find out why frights/talesgames aren’t canon when they just need to admit that when you have so many people making media for this franchise there’s just.. gonna be little problems. they’ve already admitted multiple times that there’s unintentional inconsistencies in the books and games bcuz scott doesn’t check in on every minute detail.
The Bon Bon hand is REALLY bothering me, I'm not sure what to make of it even remotely. There's very clearly pink pixels on there, implying that it's THE Funtime Freddy, but in the original story the colouration of that Funtime Freddy's shell was distinctly different. So like...would that be a retcon...? Something to differentiate this game from Frights? I honestly can't make heads or tails of that.
Edit just because I wanna talk more about this: My honest opinion on this game overall, though? I don't think it's a confirmation of stitchline games at all, really. To be honest, in fact, I'm pretty sure it just exists in its own space timeline wise, as to be more accessible and allow any Fnaf fan to enjoy it. There's too many references to too many little things all across the Fnaf series that are just about impossible to weed out from the things that ARE important. Garrett's plane in the safe room, for example.
Same
The awnser is extremely simple: The devs wanted to signal to non book readers that the minigame was referencing a story featuring Funtime Freddy, so they put his hand in there to make this clear.
@@Wattson19 ok but why not show funtime freddy- why the hand puppet not in the original story
@@siresquawks Maybe because some people wouldn't recognize him.
@@Wattson19 there's only 2 pink and white bears in the series it's not that hard especially with the context of the original story. I feel like it's way more natural to connect it to meaning this Freddy has a Bon-Bon.
A theory I've heard regarding the minigames is given that these minigames look visually similar to the FNaF 2 minigames, it's possible that the memories present in the ballbit are mixing and melding together.
Another theory I've heard (regarding the Stitchwraith showing up) is that Oswald could potentially be seeing visions of the future, which is a really fascinating idea in my opinion.
14:42 you could say… it’s MIMICKING- explodes
I can’t accept that ITP is full-on gameline canon with Oswald being a real person and all that considering what Scott told us during the interview. He was handsoff with it and let MegaCat do their own thing for months on end without intervening, the polar opposite of what he’s doing with Steel Wool because he doesn’t want another SB to happen. At most, it’s a in-universe game in gameline’s canon.
Nope, scott confirmed that this is not a in universe game.
@@truegamer7760source?
Another problem with ITP being canon is how much it changes about the missing children incident, not being caused by Afton, but instead some sort of animatronic made of agony
@@TheAMVDorfThe MCI is by Afton, this is a distorted memory, The MCI thought William was actually springbonnie so he is seen as an organic springbonnie in the memory.
@@spaghettiiwithjuice9826 Scott made a tweet stating that the only in universe games are the indie games, aka fnaf 1-6 and help wanted.
About Golden Freddy, the Fazbear Frights story clue us into how something like UCN would be possible, according to one of the stories, the spirit (in this case Cassidy inside of Golden Freddy as seen in the Fetch minigame) would have to stay haunting the animatronic in order to keep Afton in a sort of “purgatory” to torture him forever, so that’s why he’s still possessed
while I don't believe the game or books are canon, the 2020 timeline stuff works if fnaf 3 is in 2015.
There is are two flaws with the 2015 date. Firstly, the original bio for FNaF 3 doesn't imply it in the slightest. It just says after FFP closed, which it would be weird to use a date completely detached from the original two games.
Secondly, Henry's Insanity Ending tape is labelled HRY223, which unless Scott has created some insane coincidence means that FNaF 6 could not happen prior to 2023.
I hope fnaf games continue in this kind of game, its way better than the aaa style they tried with Security breach
a problem i've notice with people is that they'll just point certain things and leave important stuff behind
17:11 someone finally touched on the thing I been wondering about, Bonnie’s guitar in Jeff’s pizza, if it disappears after repairing it in the past or not
I really like the idea that jeffs pizza getting renovated changed the layout of the 1985 pizzeria in the pit and that the pit world effects the real one aswell
This has big implications about the survival logs, because while Cassidy is using the faded text to talk to Evan on the flipside, William could be the one who actually wrote the text and intended it for Michael to see and react in the physical realm like a creepy stalker.
i also think after security breach scott is eventually planning to make one definitive "mega" timeline where the games and the books are both canon instead of always existing in this weird limbo of some of it not and some of it just being allegories, since after the tales of pizzaplex in my opinion scott has been slowly merging the two continuities together.
Because we see Old Man Consequences in the original version of the Balloon Boy mini game, I would imagine that if this game takes place in the main FNAF continuity, it takes place in the same part of it as FNAF World and the Princess Quest games where the digital and paranormal afterlives overlap a bit more and create this odd digital dimension. Maybe it's just fully the after life, and the games are just a way to contextualize the after life in a way for the audience to understand and these games aren't literally what's happening in the after life. Like, do we believe that if UCN is Afton's hell, then do we have to believe that everything in UCN is literally what's happening in his hell? Because that would mean Golden Freddy gave Afton Death Tokens to help him in hell, or that he gave Afton a goal to just survive for five hours before the loop is forced to restart.
10:20 I wonder if the additions the writer of CtW added included the modern references. In the book, they reference online shopping and current mobile phones, which definitely places it in the 2010s-20s. Which would obviously NOT make her BonBon. But if that was the addition….
Squawks makes some really good points. Scott is relaxing his hold on the narrative he wants to portray and it’s paying off very well. I do think that updated story lines are what we should be focusing on. And perhaps the references we find in MegaCat games will help separate the FF stories that Scott wants in the games timeline away from those he doesn’t want in the timeline.
That’s sorta what I’ve been thinking. While the original books aren’t part of game continuity, the game (s) based on the books will better fit with the game continuity.
13:00
Yay! My glorified doodle is in a Sire Squawks video!
This is so incredibly messy. In adaptation, turned a memory world into some screwed up agony timetravel portal and it is unclear what version, if any of the two actually is, is more according to actual intention. Fantastic.
Something I'd like to add for ITP's placement on the timeline:
Oswald mentions that the mill has been closed for 3 years, and he is "pretty sure" the garbage found there has been there since it closed. Considering the garbage consists of Trash & the Gang and (debatably) Helpy and yellow and brown arms and a light blue bunny (the Rockstars?), this would imply that Trash & the Gang have been at the Mill for 3 years (unless Oswald is just wrong for some reason). Unless we're saying ITP happens before FFPS, this would imply that ITP happens at least 3 years after FFPS, otherwise Trash & the Gang (and debatably, the other FFPS characters featured) shouldn't be there, so 2026 at a minimum
Furthermore, the calendar in one of the classrooms features specific days crossed out, with what should be August 31st on either friday or saturday depending on the system used. Excluding any pre-2023 dates featured, August 31st on a friday or saturday can only happen in either 2024, 2029 or 2030. 2024 doesn't work with the mill/trash & the gang evidence, so that leaves us with 2029 or 2030, meaning that ITP is either just as close to SB and FFPS, or is actually closer to SB's time than FFPS's
I'm unconvinced that what happened with Security Breach is exactly what happened with the Frights books. Simply because I know just how much goes into a book writing/publishing process. Scott would've had to approve any final draft from any ghostwriter. That's a requirement for any ghostwriter. So if Scott didn't like how something was portrayed in the books, then he would've had it changed before being finalized.
Security Breach got funky because that was the point where so much of the internet was trying to cancel Scott due to someone leaking his political donations. So he was trying to step back from the franchise and retire. After Security Breach, his retirement became less of a retirement and more of a CEO position for the franchise.
To me, this just feels like a spin-off game surrounding the Frights books because the stories are interesting. It doesn't NEED to fit into the main game's continuity. Of course there would be easter eggs to the other Frights books because that's it's own storyline.
I'm the same still. Maybe it'll change with time but..idk lol.
@@soomi5667 Yeah, for me, I highly doubt my mind will change unless Scott himself specifically says "These are canon to the main games." Like people flipping out over Five Laps At Freddy's, which is 100% just a spin-off game.
@@shaelynmartin1996 to be fair, the "midnight motor" 100% being aftons car because of a decal is important with how much the community ripped itself apart over who the Mustard Man in midnight motorist was.
but i think going deeper than that is a bit insane honestly.
@@MahNamJeff But that doesn't exactly prove anything. The "proof" that's been tossed around is a pic posted by a studio who is only in charge of a spin-off game. Not Scott. So, again, unless Scott himself says this is the fact, the midnight motor car being in a spin-off game that can be driven by a Springtrap character doesn't exactly prove anything. It could just as easily be the devs of that game pushing what they think is canon or what is commonly accepted amongst the fanbase as a teaser.
@@shaelynmartin1996Scott oversees decisions that give lore answers, if the Midnight Motorist wasn’t William Afton, the Springbonnie Antenna and car description wouldn’t be in the game.
Look at all of the sister location references in this game. But this isn't circus baby's.
This is THE sister location. The one where numerous springlock failures happened, as referenced in 3. That's my guess.
[rubs temples] Theories would be so much easier across the board if people just accepted that FNAF 3 was in 2015.
It could be possible, tho I stand by the logic it would be something Scott changed to at most
13:18.
Happiest Day does take place and was meant to give Golden Freddy spirit peace. But Cassidy as Vengeful Spirit makes it clear why she doesn't move on in the voice lines of UCN.
Particularly Orville Elephant: "I will hold you here, I will keep you here, no matter how many times. They burn us". Cassidy refuses to leave and instead uses her power to perpetually torment William Afton in hell
If Cassidy is thé vegeful spirit,how could Fetch exist here?
What if ITP’s version of Fetch is telling us that Golden Freddy was left behind from 6. That could explain why UCN happens. The ending cutscene is GF lingering, in that same spot depicted in the ballpit and Fetch. Maybe Henry didn’t know about Cassidy.
Think so tbh and that's part of the Golden Freddy video idea.
@@siresquawks What’s suggested in fnaf6 that’s very weird and creepy is is the Susie minigame because it implies that there is a different and fresher William Afton lurking around the fnaf6 location, and the player character is Susie (Chica), whom has bought and play tested this minigame in the location.
This can explain where the burnt chica suit picture even came from because it could’ve been from Susie dying at the end of fnaf6 and losing her illusion disk from the flames.
This is important because if William is up there taking on a human form, who is the Scraptrap down there?
It’s also important because it would mean that the survival logs could’ve been made after fnaf6, since narrative of the faded text author is stupid weird. With William writing the text in the physical world towards Michael (like a creepy stalker going “I am you, and you are me”, and Cassidy using the same text to talk to Evan on the flipside of reality.
@@justice8718 That's not what's being suggested. We're repurposing old games to put into our pizzeria. Fruity Maze existed in the 80s, that's why Susie is there, and that's why William looks so fresh. It takes place during the MCI. He's still just Scraptrap in current time.
@@damkylan3 Sir, midnight motorist was bought and play tested in fnaf6 by the protagonist, and whenever it was play tested in that location, we see Susie’s face reflected on the screen.
You’re the one completely ignoring current time and its events and how reflections work.
17:52 something interesting is iirc you can only do the frights minigames in the past on only fetches has to be doen before reaching Oswald's dad other wise it locks you of of playing that game again
The Inscryption music threw me so off guard lol
Golden Freddy being there, kind of reminds me of how he was at the end of ultimate custom night, he could still be there keeping William in hell and hasn’t finished his revenge yet or something like that
Except that Andrew is TOYSNHK
@@docrilasgreat! now where was this confirmed? because you seem to be so sure of that and yet there are so many proofs that he doesn't even exist in games
@@feduwtc Andrew is the only version of TOYSNHK that we saw, and also,Help Wanted 2 confirms that Cassidy is in rest so she can't be TOYSNHK,also a version of the Fazbear Frights is in the games timeline so Andrew too
And Into The Pit (who is a game) has Andrew in one of his minigames(he is Fetch) so if Into The Pit is in the games timeline Andrew is definitily in the games too
@@docrilas1. ITP being canon is far from confirmed 2. If you mean the VS face we we in UCN, shouldn’t he have his gator mask? 3. Even assuming that’s what the graves mean (god those things are frustratingly vague for how people treat them), this would just mean that UCN is over by HW2. Which is very possible depending on what you believe Glitchtrap or the princess to be or if we just assume that Cassidy listened to OMC. 4. Idk what you’re trying to say with that FF point.
Life gets so much happier when you ignore everything but the first 3 books and the Main 7 games
Agreed. He had said he fixes or at least clarifies stuff from the past with updated work
In regards to the Funtime Freddy detail, I always interpreted his mention of a little bird in the story as a Bon Bon reference.
My brain hurts
9:05 I feel absolutely vindicated.
Ive been saying for years that something felt off, and that I felt like the theorist community was wrong in some of our most basic assumptions.
I chalked it up to too much emphasis on the older games in their/our thinking, but Im realizing it might be because the information were working on is outright wrong/inaccurate/bloated.
That pfp just reminded me of theft king hope your alot better :)
Another answers to the Golden Freddy mystery: in this supposed rebooted Frights timeline Fetch happens before fnaf 6, and they're actuality changing a lot about the books
All of fnaf is takes place in the pit, it's been oz the whole time, just having fever dreams
into the pit being an in universe game makes sense with frights fiction + all the tv screen menus and stuff but also i like oswald and want him to be real
Oswald is pretty nice, probably of my favorite protagonists from the books.
You see pittrap of the tv menus. Also scott said only the existence of indie games in universe to cover up what happened exist. Only
just a loose idea here but perhaps the minigames are meant to be interpreted backwards it would make definitely make Elanor's and fetches make more sense and it fits with the theme of the game which is literally going back in time someone look at the minigames with this in mind and tell me if it makes any sense
Could be similar to what Ruin and FnafWorld imply, the pit is an agony-fueled subtunnel.
5:00 I guess, now that I look at it, it's meant to be FF's arm. But I originally thought it was supposed to be his whole body, with the pinks representing his neck, hands and feet, and Bon Bon was replacing his head. Which would be a roundabout way of suggesting decapitation, which is ultimately the final choice for Millie in the story. The main issue being that it doesn't really match his design, and even if it was meant to be simplified, there were so many easier ways they could have reflected that without bringing up Bon Bon. But then that's really weird because why is the final choice not reflected at all when all the other ones were?
I just assume that it's a reboot of FNAF, because trying to connect it to the timeline makes things more confusing.
Maybe ITP takes place before Fetch because the stitchwraith is MISSING the battery. The lack of the battery must be an important detail because of its depiction in the encyclopedia and because steelwool claims to be diligent with small details like colors.
Stitchwraith needs the battery to live in the stories so IDK. When it gets damaged after he got shot in it he could barely move and drag himself to the pit to finish his work.
I haven't read the original story but from playing the game I got the impression that rather than time travel, the pit has a pocket dimension of some sort where it's always that specific point in time and whatever changes happen outside could be explained by the corruption created by whatever got out of the pit instead of the father at the beginning of the game through, maybe, the same mechanism that slowly rots Oswald's house.
That's part of the working theory but the new game makes it a little less clear. The simplest non-timetravel version is that it's like the upside-down from stranger things where it has a sort of link and effect on the real world- though time travel would explain a lot in its own way.
I still believe it's just a adaptation and don't get the reason why it should be anything else.
Using a game that allows you to call a RANDOM number to hear springtraps death is clearly not canon, no matter what.
Unless you wanna argue "oh but these Easter eggs proves MY THEORY so it should be canon, but anything else in the game that would not make sense in any theory ever, like stitchwraith showing up for no reason, or references to other stories being clearly loosely adapted, or springtrap call, or the 1940s fredbears poster..." For no reason.
It's like saying that Lego Star Wars is canon... No.
It's full of references because it's made by people who are fans themselves.
Am I crazy? Or in a bubble or something? Why do I feel like most people try to fit the game in some sort of preexisting timeline when it doesn't need to be and most likely shouldn't?
Afton gets burned after getting spring trapped in both canons... this tells me this either WAS the missing children's incident, ORRRR, RIGHT AFTER AFTON GOT SPRINGTRAPPED, ORRR ITS THE MIMIC, seeing as it is the way it is, the spring Bonnie suit doesn't look damaged or wethered which would imply the animatronic/suit is still relatively new, which pushes the timeline back to somewhere around the 80s or 90s cus the spring lock suits got discontinued, so that leaves us with one solution, THIS IS THE MISSING KIDS INCIDENT
Ngl I do think that the entirety of this game tapes place in a memory of the MCI & Oswald and considering that the new interactive books are canon to the games then the new ITP book may be a sequel to this game in which Oswald's spirit is saved from looping over and over again inside the pit.
17:28 - 17:38
I miss when this franchise was just about a creepy serial killer and animatronic pizzerias
11:30 nice game grumps reference I see you
We see Golden Freddy in UCN... He always existed past FNaF 6... Um...
SB implies that William is now going around as Dave Miller, Michael is working there under a different name, and Susie is back to play fruity maze till she is kicked out for trying to break the machine (like she did in fnaf6, making her the unexpected protagonist of that game, explaining the reactions they have to her since they didn’t get to see Michael).
Into the YO!
The game grumps reference was ✨perfect✨
I think the possessed Golden Freddy has to be Cassidy personally, she likely didn’t move on after FNAF 6
None of these timelines make sense if you want honesty
14:56 I think the Yellow Bear in this mini game is Andrew since they fill out Cassidy's role in the Fazbear Frights continuity
But Andrew is in Fetch
@@docrilasHis soul split after TMIR1280 IIRC
@@Personian No,his soul is in Fetch,that was his agony who split not his soul
to me, into the pit is like...
scott said that they offered to add more and more to the game, and that he let them take longer to do that...
i think the people who made into the pit (game) were honestly just... having a lot of fun developing the game! and just. putting in random easter eggs and things they thought would be cool. i really dont think this was like, given that much of a "yes this makes sense within a continuity" from scott, unless hes explicitly said so and i missed that
like, i really think its just ... a celebration of everything fnaf, which means that. many things are merely references...
tl;dr i think the devs just had a lot of fun with the opportunity to make a fnaf game, and didnt concern themselves with the lore as much as just, stuffing in references to everything fnaf
another weird idea could be that the books are books in universe and theyre coverups that get some details wrong, lmao. only half joking.
Scott confirmed that this isn't a in universe game. Also their are references to the fazbear frights in the tales from the pizza plex.
@@truegamer7760 still begs the question of if the game is even to be considered canon for any continuity at all
Fnaf 3 takes place in 2015, it is 30 years after mci in 1985 obviously Freddy’s closed when that happened and also it’s the year the game came out so it just makes sense.
hey wait do golden freddy's eyes go away when you get close? i feel like that's a pretty important detail, is there something hiding in there, like how oz hides in the freddy suit that's crumpled up against the wall?
why do people dislike me for loving mr.hippo?
Some people say that the Funtime Freddy in Count The Ways is supposed to be from the Fazbear Funtime Service.
I love my FF2015 and FFPP2016.
The brazillian FnaF community: Heh, CU
6:30 I also thought it looked like BonBon!!
I had a lot of difficulty parsing out what the last item in the Count The Ways minigame was, I didn't even register it as Bon-Bon until this video
But I really like the theory that Millie ends up possessing BonBon (along with all the others in this vid tbh) ~
Oh boy, this title sounds intimidating.
Ok so I feel the basic understanding is that if Stitchline is confirmed by Into the Pit then the relevant Frights stories need to be explained and i think i got it.
*Into the Pit* has no evidence for being after FNAF 6 nor does some of the other Frights stories. Sure it's implied but the stories that are basically the origin of Stritchwraith itself ( *Fetch* and *The Real Jake* for example) have no concrete set date to happen. Theres nothing stopping some of the stories to take place long before Stitchwraith.
Ones like Out of Stock, *1:35 A.M.* and *Step closer* obviously all happen after Stitchwraith as we know they collected the pieces of the animatronics and stuff.
But the stuff like Eleanor creating the Plushtrap chaser (which we know that it existed for a while since people repeatedly kept sending it back to the store) and terrorising people in *1:35 am* , *Step Closer* , *Blackbird* and *Hide-and-Seek* don't need to be around the same time as Stitchwraith.
I'm just saying there can be time jumps in between stories. Like:
*Room for one more* obviously takes place before Sister Location which has SnackSpace from *Into the Pit* mentioned in it
*Prankster* has Glitchtrap in it so its after Help Wanted was in development.
*What We Found* is basically a retelling of FNAF 3
*Room 1280* says William has been there for a long while after FNAF 6, all these are years apart from eachother so stories can happen at any point in the canon.
So *Into the Pit* ,*Fetch* , *The Real Jake* and all the stories where Eleanor was involved with creating things like *To Be Beautiful* can happen years before FNAF 6.
Eleanor and the Stitchwraith can do there own thing for a long while from when they are created
And then the stories like *Room 1280* and everything we know the Stitchwraith is connected with can happen after FNAF 6.
If Into the Pit is indeed canon to the games then it can make sense when you consider there is a gap in time between the stories.
This explains how and why we see *Fetch* , *To Be Beautiful* and *Count the Ways* can be in the game, because they happen before Oswald goes in the pit.
*Here's addressing some possible contradictions:*
The Easter eggs are not canon as the developers said and the Stitchwraith can appear in Oswald's window because they do exist at that time.
I know you guys will say no because Andrew went into Fetch after William exploded in the factory but his spirit was split across many things when that happened and nothing really says Andrew was in Fetch during *Fetch* and could easily of latched to Fetch as it would of had agony from being beaten up like what happened to the Mimic. Fetch can just be a faulty product, it may be a lame answer but not everything can be great (Fazgoo and Springtrap pregnancy anyone).
Eleanor is still a mystery but if she is indeed and agony creature created after either Elizabeth’s death, the agony collected from the kids William experiments with in his bunker (my personal belief) or just is Shadow Freddy like people have theorised before, nothing is stopping her from existing for a long time until we see her in the Stitchwraith stingers.
What do you all think?
FNAF 3 & 6 would make sense to not be in 2023 because of the real value code in logbook. It places FNAF 3 somehere in 2015 or 2017 if I remember correctly
I feel like if anything, Into the Pit possibly confirms the date of FnaF 3 as being in 2015, and therefore implying PizzaSim to be before 2023 as well. It just makes logical sense that "30 years after the closing of Freddy Fazbear's Pizza" probably refers to the original, and what else would have caused the original location to close but not the now three times confirmed 1985 MCI? 1985 is exactly 30 years before 2015, which coincides with the release year and thus requires fewer logical leaps. It also makes explanations for later events make more timeline sense because it doesn't require such a late date for Pizza Sim and we can finally put the 2023 date to rest.
So,
How the Ball pit worked Originally is This:
The Plastic Balls had Blood inside them,
That Blood is Date Noted to timzones,
Like 1985
That Blood Probably Contains Remnant or Agony,
That Tries to Recreate what happened in Those Dates,
As a Memory
And as such that Ghost Stuff Haunts The Ball pit Enough
So That You can Go into this CONVINCING Memory Copy of the Past,
Does Not Not Effect The Past
But There are Slight Differences,
Because the Remnant Remembers The Past Differently,
Like Springbonnie Having a Grimm Looking inner Jaw.
But if You Can Go INTO The Memory,
Things Created From that Memory Can Come Back OUT.
Like the Rat.
Also, You Can Call in The Future, Even if You're in The Past.
So if Phone Signals Work,
then Mabey GGY could Hack The Arcade Games, Through Some Connected Network System Mabey.
Also Wasn't The Elanour Heart Locket Thing an illusion Disk?
I think that Golden Freddy is the bite victim in this minigame,Cassidy has to be free after ffps
Nope, their is no reason for the BV to be so hostile.
@@truegamer7760 because he is like the other victims,he doesn't know what he is doing and what is going on
@@docrilas All signs point to the spirit in ucn being somebody the afton specifally killed, the bite victim died to michael.
Honestly, I have no idea how people recognised that things as the Stitchwraith. I'm pretty used to that kind of chunky-pixel graphics but I couldn't even see that there was a thing there.
It honestly looks like Nightmarionne.
gotta love fnaf theories overcomplicating the lore
Praytell which part is “over complicating”.
@@siresquawks trying to connect into the pit game with the main continuity, the game is just for fun and offers a look into how different things happened in the game continuity, take the story itself for example, it's a parallel to how Michael saw his farther after finding out what he did, he didn't see him as his farther but as the man in the yellow rabbit costume. assuming all of the stories are important and trying to put them together overcomplicates the lore and means that nothing makes sense, trying to connect things piece by piece instead of assuming ever piece is for the same puzzle is a silly idea, sorting through the pieces needs to be done before a puzzle can be put together