I just admire Melissa your “busy mind” . Sometimes going into uncomfortable Christian basic life . Pressing to look for answers . Going to the intellectual. Thank you ever so much❤
I've been a word studying Christian since 1995, but in the past year, I have dug deeper into biblical scholarship than I ever have. As much as I love the extensive learning, I do find it has opened up a lot more questions than I've ever had. Sometimes I wonder if ignorance really is bliss. (just kidding, kind of)
i've thought that for years. I had a friend named Ross, back when i was in college, and when i went to his home, his whole family never went to church, never read their Bible, but they all say they love Jesus and seemed content. I wanted to be that blissfully ignorant, but knew i couldn't be. Now, I understand that IF they are christians, they will not be as blissful in eternity, perhaps...or maybe they just had it made. I don't know. I tend to think this is where the Bema Seat of Christ is going to make this make sense. I'm just saying that those that work for crowns will enjoy their rewards for eternity. I don't know how that looks.
I think we have to accept you will never 100% figure out everything written in the Bible in this life, It is both a simple message for beginners but also a very deep and complex message. I think it will probably all be clear after we leave this body and join the Lord Jesus.
Keep digging, I did heavy heavy study for about 5 years and had a ton of questions but as I studied and dug I found good answers that were very edifying and strengthened my faith massively.
@reneewachter1925 I have been listening to Dr. Korman. Thank you for this information. Oh my this very old granny has so much more to learn. Thank you again.
Great discussion! "Textual criticism" is actually a blessing to our faith - God's Word is accurate and true! Thank you both. (And do have another such, on the John passage. :-))
This was covered with such care and love for those of us who would listen to it. Thank you Melissa for your thoughtfulness in serving God’s people. 🙏🏽❤️🙏🏽
I just recently discovered you. I wish I had these perspectives a long time ago. I am an older guy, so many of your discussions have answered questions I have on my “ask Jesus” list. I imagine He will be grateful, the list is getting shorter. Thank you
Love this discussion. I atudy as deep as i can into scripture to understand better. I ask God to answer my questions in studying, and he does as I keep studying and listening to the Holy Spirit and proof against scripture in its fullness, Old and New Testament alike. But my trust is in God to show me and teach me as I grow in Him.
After we have faced the judgement and are home, we will still be learning and teaching. When we are home, many MANY more layers of understandings in scripture will be revealed. We may even say things like "how did people NOT see/know that this verse meant that its so obvious" ... We see in part and know in part right now. Blessings in Jesus as you seek for treasure with all of your heart. -Bryan
thank you both, this is the best Q&A I have heard on this topic. I am so looking forward to Dr. Bates coming back SOON for a discussion on the bit in John. Excellent discussion.
With the poison and snakes, definitely about God providing protection from them. Examples of apostles being protected. Also, do not put the Lord your God to the test. With the rest of the verse, one issue is many on social media make these practices much more dramatic than they normally are. The ultimate proof of the pudding is life transformation. Not everyone we pray for will experience that change of course. But it is definitely worth it for the ones to do!
We need more people to hear this. They need to understand the history of the bible itself and be better equipped to answer difficult questions they will be asked if they are doing what Christ commanded us to do when he said to preach to all nations.
Christ didn't command us to preach to all the nations. He commanded Israel, and it was in context of Israel's 70th week being just around the corner. But it never came because they fell and diminished and a Dispensation of Grace for the Gentiles came instead. Israel's doctrine is not a valid doctrine today. Only Paul's Gospel and doctrine is valid today.
I like his word “authority” in reference to the apostles using the signs and wonders to show their authority since the written word was not available at that time. Now we have the authority of God’s word. Sign gifts may still exist but their prominence isn’t necessary. Charles Swindoll says after the New Testament was canonized around 100-150 AD the sign gifts died out. As I listened, I thought about my Mormon missionary friends and Muslim neighbor who say the Bible is corrupted. I go back to my BIOLA prof who said there are over 2000 variants in translation but nothing that changes doctrine. (Unless you’re Catholic!)
Thank you for addressing this topic. Love your channel. I wish Dr. Bates would have addressed that none of the other 3 gospels contain the ideas promoted in Mark's longer ending. Hyper Charismatics use the longer ending to back up their signs & wonder teachings. I was in the Charismatic movement for several years but came out through studying the Bible and the leadership of the Holy Spirit. So I think this longer ending is dangerous (the Montanists were the 1st "Charismatics" and were condemned by the early church fathers). I disagree with Dr. Bates that it is edifying. But I appreciate the discussion. Thanks.
Melissa, I know that when they were all three alive, there was quite a bit of dialogue between Richard Baukham, James Dunn, and Larry Hurtado regarding first century "worship" of Jesus; would you consider chiming in, or doing an episode regarding this? Also, I'd love to hear your thoughts on the "New Perspective of Paul".
I got lost listening to this video. I think explaining such a complex thing we need to have a visual. CHARTS will help. Explaining while showing your thoughts along with a chart would help a lot. Thank you
I would like to say that I am pleased that my rabbit hole led me to your channel. I actually found it on my way back to the surface of basic Christianity. It has actually tripled the questions that I have been asking in search of the true God. I wondered if you have ever in the process of your searching looked at the origins of the Bible as we know it today? Why just the 66 books, to the exclusion of almost as many original canonical texts? I am uncovering a vast trove of conflicting information causing me to dig deeper. I feel like this path may fit right in your wheelhouse...maybe?
Yes, when he said to compare scripture with scripture for understanding. Everything written in scripture is true, but not everything applies to us now. This is why we’re instructed in 2 Tim 2:15 to rightly divide the word of truth.
Is there any way of taking out the requests for donations to Harris's campaign that youtube puts on this page and every other Christian youtuber's posts?
It's TH-cams algorithm. I keep getting the donation adds for Hamas, sorry Gazza. It's outside the control of the TH-camr unfortunately. They should be able to block certain adds that have a conflict of interest though.
This is why my husband's family will only read KJV. They've listened to the arguments presented by one writer/teacher and refuse to look at it more deeply. We just let it go.
The question is whether a passage is in conflict with the rest of the bible or not. Also when baptism is linked to believing it is prudent to leave it out when promoting infant baptism.
Brilliant! Today as a christian I hear that "the bible is corrupt" on a daily basis, so this conversation contained valuable information as an apologist💪🏽
I want to know everything you do, Megan! I feel the world is ready to be harvested. I want to know sound doctrine, etc. …to give an answer for the hope that is in you.”
It is interesting that in a video which highlights the “questionability” surrounding what is written in certain scriptures, that the conclusion given @34:30-@36:00 is: The reason we no longer have/need signs and wonders today is because we have the “authority” from the written word. 🔁 🤔
Great observation. As they undermine the authority of scripture... "We scholars will figure this out and get back with you. Meantime, go try to find the words of God in all those translations you have. They are in there somewhere."
Correct me if I'm wrong but what I personally hear through this video is cessationism, a religious spirit and seeking control over and against the movement of Holy Spirit. Miracles, signs and healings are "tricky" because we must keep the supernatural out with all our might just like anything else that our peanut brains cannot explain and/or keep under our control.
Where he talks about the missing verse from luke regarding "but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God" he says it wasnt there in the oldest manuscript because in the newer manuscripts a scribe just copied from matthew to make it more authentic However thats a problem because the thousands of copies of the textus receptus all have it and they were copied by different scribes. Old doesnt mean good and old doesnt mean original either. The codex sinaiticus is shown by many many scholars to be unreliable because of how many missing verses there are compared to the received texts . So he is completely speculating and just making it up when he says a scribe chose to copy the verse from matthew to luke because rhere is absolutely no way to tell that There are hardly any texts that back up the codex sinaiticus. You can hear him making excuses to try and justify the shorter ending
In my dreams I’ve spoken in tongues, I’ve been bitten by snakes, and I’ve healed people through prayer and laying on of hands. Not 100% sure what all my dreams have meant but I have always like those verses.
Have you heard of the ministry of Lydia and Derek Prince? What is your opinion on how Lydia’s story went when she was called to Israel and ended up taking care and adopting many of the Jewish and Arab orphans and experiencing first hand God’s true signs and wonders? “Appointment in Jerusalem”
They did not "clarify the scripture," they excised scripture from their "bibles." Another note... When you "question" scripture you are putting yourself in the position of judging scripture. Beware, that makes scripture below or under you.
@@warnerchandler9826Exactly! "But to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembles at my Word." (Isaiah 66:2) Therefore, behold, I am against the prophets, saith the LORD, that STEAL My Words every one from his neighbour. (Jeremiah 23:30)
Frankly, it doesn't matter to me if Luke or someone unknown "finished" Mark's gospel for him. Ending it with the women leaving the tomb and remaining silent and afraid makes no sense. The longer ending contains nothing apostate and can be taught in compliance with the rest of scripture. The issue does remind me though.... Moses authored the first five books of the O.T. Yet, at the end, he dies and is buried. He certainly didn't write of his own death himself, did he? But those verses are still Holy writ.... Just my thoughts...God bless
I was taught from the beginning that the first five books are most likely not written by Moses but by the '' church fathers''/elders. Not sure if these are the right words, English isn't my first language
@@everygoodthing8506The Greek word that is translated as church is ekklēsia and is used in the New Testament for a specific gathering of Christians, or for all believers together. The same word, ekklēsia, is used in the Greek translation of the Old Testament, the Septuagint, to translate the Hebrew term qāhāl, “assembly.” It is used for Israel as they gathered together to appear before God or as a general reference to all of Israel. Church simply means "called out group" or "group called out by God" which includes Israel in the Old Testament.
My view on this is that I have faith that God's word has been preserved. I mean the fact that we know that some sections might not have been there originally is actually evidence of that isn't it?
You appear to be blending two different things. Either God fulfilled his many promises to preserve his words -- not word, but his very "words" -- or he is too weak, negligent, and (admit it:) unfaithful to do that, but bless his heart, God was rescued by modern scholars to salvage that part or parts that we have left.
@@warnerchandler9826 No like im just saying the concept is that whatever God decided we needed to have as the bible just is the bible. Like no matter what way it is. I would not be so arrogant as to say I can think of a better plan for that than God.
I think what he said that about the message of the gospel is spread about in the Bible in many places, Chuck Missler compared it to a 3D hologram, that you can tear part of the Bible out, but the message is still there, just not as clear as before. God I am sure has a hand in preserving his message even through the mistakes made by mankind, even if well intentioned.
You just gotta love the attitude that Missler and you express: poor, old weak "god," cannot preserve his word (like he promised), but we humans, scholars every one of us, can still hunt and gather the real word from amongst all these hundreds of translations (just in English).
@@warnerchandler9826 Where did you get that silly idea? God works through man to accomplish some things, and other things he just outright does. That message is throughout the Bible, like a Father working with his children, letting them participate, but sometimes, just like kids, they will make mistakes, or not like Fathers rules an rebel and think they are smarter than him, when in the end it will come back to bite them in the....
If the original Canon has it, then that's it. The Church (prior to the east/west divide) with the blessing and help/inspiration of The Holy Spirit defined what we now call The Holy Bible. That's enough for me, anything that differs was and is fake & wrong.
I mix it up. For general reading NIV or ESV. For reading with Bible study, an ESV, NASB and NIV all open to compare scriptures. There are a lot of great translations out there though. These are just the three that I gravitate towards.
@@MelissaDoughertyQuestion: These three translations you gravitate towards, the ESV, NASB, and the NIV, they differ from each other, right? Things that are different are not the same. So I posit that at least two of your translations are NOT the Bible, which of course is perfect and pure.
Just curious, why not just leave the longer ending in, just to finish completing the thought of what was said? If I was a baby Christian, I wouldn't know that the saying or thought hasn't been completed?
@@midimusicforeverIt is willy nilly at best. But if you have a modern English translation and think you have the Word of God, just hang around a year or so, your Bible will change yet again. My Bible has not changed for 400 years. I wonder which is the Words of God?
Great video! My only question is, what was Irenaeus referencing? Based on the stated process, this seems to be a much earlier reference to it being part of the book. In most scientific methodology, silence is not evidence (either way), which seems to be the crux of the argument from Dr. Bates.
I think this was FASCINATING! I think there is edification in both. If God didn’t want it, it wouldn’t have survived or would have been like the other two options. It would be clear. It to encourage believers to keep going, and amongst darkness, there will be more signs. The only push back I would give is to your guest is historically is the signs also lessened because the laity weren’t encouraged or taught. Plus they were in “largely nominal” Christian environments. I say nominal because if the leader converted then the kingdom of land did and was forced. It was about power and control often. Sadly. Christian history is not amazing. 😢 but it is what it is. And we own it, learn from it. And don’t repeat. And why literacy is SO important. And why though I would agree, you do see sign gifts though in mission fields, especially where there hasn’t been the gospel before. I have heard many first hand accounts. 😮 the Bible is sufficient but our God is alive and dwells inside us and still speaks, not like the idols people worship. So we can expect this. However, if you are not bible literate you can be fooled. So read your bible. Be holy as He is holy. Work out your salvation daily, because it’s not complete until you die. (Grace alone was not buying your grace and what Luther was against maybe Melissa you can research what Luther actually meant by that?) Overall, fantastic
Oh and the signs are really “the Gift”, the Holy Spirit making himself known. It’s not us. It’s Gid showing up. 1 Corinthians 12:1 HCSB. We make it about spiritual “gifts” but what if it’s not the right word. It’s more like fruit of the Holy Spirit? Him making himself known? And we are a vessel? Working in tandem? And we’ve twisted it to make it about us? Because that’s what we do? Proof of salvation, proof of who and what kingdom we belong too?
My short answer/response to the ‘long ending’ would be that it’s metaphor. It’s saying something about the authority that Jesus gave them when He sent the Holy Spirit. As stewards left behind to multiply themselves through active discipleship, some evidence had to exist. Signs, if you will because like the Dr. said…. The New Testament wasn’t written yet, so like Jesus saying the signs and miracles that He performed proved Him to be who He said He was…..🤷🏼♀️
I thought God warned not to add or subtract of any of his word. Makes me not want to read my Bible now. I’ll be giving it to the doctors office now I think. 😢
Please don't do that. There has to be a source of authority for Truth. It can't be man or a pope. It has to be Scripture. God has always led me through His Word in the 51 years I've been a believer.
So if you don't accept the Bible as God's word to humanity, what is the alternative? The other religious texts are worse, and secularism/atheism can't effectively explain the creation of the universe, the laws of physics or origins of life. Archeology, fulfilled prophecy, the sinful nature of humanity, humanity's need of a Savior, and the benefits of Christian missions on the world support the truthfulness of the Bible.
The minute you start adding or subtracting things from The Bible you call into question the whole thing. Can't go there. Everyone has an agenda. Cessationists hold on to any and every argument they can to support their form of godliness without any power. But Paul says avoid these people.
Well, if you're concerned about scribes changing God's word, you should be thankful that all the changes that they made over the centuries to the manuscripts that ended up being used to produce the critical editions from which the KJV was produced and, later, the Textus Receptus are now being scraped away so that we're now able to enjoy God's word in the purest form we've possessed it for close to two millenia.
Its amazing how😢 many Christians fight for having no supernatural power. Power is not a dirty word Jesus said in Act told them to tarry in Jerusalem until they were indued with power from on high. Its the Holy Spirit in is that that does the works. What jumbled mess of an explanation. You say ok may 1 manuscript then you site several manuscripts. Let's just sit in a pew. I SO DISAGREE.
And some people are 'power seekers', but not fruit seekers. The Fruit of the Spirit is Love, Joy, peace , long-suffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness and self- control. Galatians 5:22-23 Jesus said not to rejoice over the demons submitted to you, but rather that your name is written in heaven. Luke 10:20 There is no one that has the genuine gift of healing as it was in time of early church. Funny how James 5:14-16 says that Believers were to call the Elders to pray over the sick and anoint with oil. The sick person was to confess their sins, and elders prayer of faith would heal them. Even Paul told Timothy to take a little wine for his stomach. Paul didn't heal him. Also I have been a Believer for 44 years, been to various churches and denominations, and never saw or heard of one actual account of the Biblical speaking in various languages as in Acts where Unbelievers heard the plan of Salvation in their language. We actually don't need it. Missionaries today study languages. Just like we have Dr's that heal people through medicine. Casting out demons. Absolutely. I have done it, but it certainly does not take hours on end, yelling and all that. That isn't even Biblical. A few words or sentences per Jesus and Apostles. But I do fast and pray like the Bible tells me too.
- the application that theologians have made towards the records within the 4 gospels ,is that JESUS (the Mantle) was only approached and questioned once, as to that of the scribes and the Pharisees ,when actually, He was approached and questioned twice on a matter ,for example (once towards the scribes, and then once towards the Pharisees)
Testing God would be *purposely* going out of your way to handle a snake or drink poison just to "prove" you can. It's not putting God to the test to *survive* drinking or eating poison by accident or hadling a snake which jumps on you (as Paul does in Acts 28).
I've noticed too though it's more pronounced in some versus others. As an American I think it's partly how they carry their face and use different facial muscles to produce a particular accent. Also the British have a "pout" 😂 fun stuff
I just admire Melissa your “busy mind” . Sometimes going into uncomfortable Christian basic life . Pressing to look for answers . Going to the intellectual. Thank you ever so much❤
I've been a word studying Christian since 1995, but in the past year, I have dug deeper into biblical scholarship than I ever have. As much as I love the extensive learning, I do find it has opened up a lot more questions than I've ever had. Sometimes I wonder if ignorance really is bliss. (just kidding, kind of)
i've thought that for years. I had a friend named Ross, back when i was in college, and when i went to his home, his whole family never went to church, never read their Bible, but they all say they love Jesus and seemed content. I wanted to be that blissfully ignorant, but knew i couldn't be. Now, I understand that IF they are christians, they will not be as blissful in eternity, perhaps...or maybe they just had it made. I don't know. I tend to think this is where the Bema Seat of Christ is going to make this make sense. I'm just saying that those that work for crowns will enjoy their rewards for eternity. I don't know how that looks.
@@Scotty-Z70Excellent perspective, thank you for sharing.
I think we have to accept you will never 100% figure out everything written in the Bible in this life, It is both a simple message for beginners but also a very deep and complex message. I think it will probably all be clear after we leave this body and join the Lord Jesus.
@@buckjones4901 Yes. 1 Corinthians 13:12
Keep digging, I did heavy heavy study for about 5 years and had a ton of questions but as I studied and dug I found good answers that were very edifying and strengthened my faith massively.
Please, please, please do have more of this! Please have more info on topics like this.
I agree with you, Barbara. Proverbs says there is wisdom in many counsels. You may also enjoy Baruch Korman, who has a PhD in translation. Enjoy!
@reneewachter1925 thank you.
Yes!!!
@reneewachter1925 I have been listening to Dr. Korman. Thank you for this information. Oh my this very old granny has so much more to learn. Thank you again.
Yes! Us bible nerds definitely love this kind of stuff!
Great discussion! "Textual criticism" is actually a blessing to our faith - God's Word is accurate and true! Thank you both. (And do have another such, on the John passage. :-))
Yes, it is an honest scholarly approach.
This was covered with such care and love for those of us who would listen to it. Thank you Melissa for your thoughtfulness in serving God’s people. 🙏🏽❤️🙏🏽
That was AWESOME instruction, Doctor!! Thank you!!😊
I just recently discovered you. I wish I had these perspectives a long time ago. I am an older guy, so many of your discussions have answered questions I have on my “ask Jesus” list. I imagine He will be grateful, the list is getting shorter. Thank you
Love this discussion. I atudy as deep as i can into scripture to understand better. I ask God to answer my questions in studying, and he does as I keep studying and listening to the Holy Spirit and proof against scripture in its fullness, Old and New Testament alike. But my trust is in God to show me and teach me as I grow in Him.
Amen
This is a great interview! Fascinating & helpful. I would love a follow up discussing the passage in John. Thanls
After we have faced the judgement and are home, we will still be learning and teaching. When we are home, many MANY more layers of understandings in scripture will be revealed. We may even say things like "how did people NOT see/know that this verse meant that its so obvious" ... We see in part and know in part right now. Blessings in Jesus as you seek for treasure with all of your heart. -Bryan
What a great explanation Doctor. Thanks Melissa for sharing this.
thank you both, this is the best Q&A I have heard on this topic. I am so looking forward to Dr. Bates coming back SOON for a discussion on the bit in John. Excellent discussion.
"God preserved His Word through the differences" -- !
Is that right?
Two things that are different are not the same.
@@warnerchandler9826 Amen. Exactly!
Well done excellent teaching of how to handle these kind of things . Thank you both 😊
Wow. He did a great job of summarizing the key elements of textual criticism. I've tried to read about it, but always got lost in the minutiae.
It's impossible to please God without faith.
With the poison and snakes, definitely about God providing protection from them. Examples of apostles being protected. Also, do not put the Lord your God to the test. With the rest of the verse, one issue is many on social media make these practices much more dramatic than they normally are. The ultimate proof of the pudding is life transformation. Not everyone we pray for will experience that change of course. But it is definitely worth it for the ones to do!
Exactly
This is the most fascinating message I have ever heard and I'm in my 60s! Thank you and God bless both of you.
We need more people to hear this. They need to understand the history of the bible itself and be better equipped to answer difficult questions they will be asked if they are doing what Christ commanded us to do when he said to preach to all nations.
Christ didn't command us to preach to all the nations. He commanded Israel, and it was in context of Israel's 70th week being just around the corner. But it never came because they fell and diminished and a Dispensation of Grace for the Gentiles came instead. Israel's doctrine is not a valid doctrine today. Only Paul's Gospel and doctrine is valid today.
This is an excellent video, very much needed for believers.
I like his word “authority” in reference to the apostles using the signs and wonders to show their authority since the written word was not available at that time. Now we have the authority of God’s word. Sign gifts may still exist but their prominence isn’t necessary. Charles Swindoll says after the New Testament was canonized around 100-150 AD the sign gifts died out.
As I listened, I thought about my Mormon missionary friends and Muslim neighbor who say the Bible is corrupted. I go back to my BIOLA prof who said there are over 2000 variants in translation but nothing that changes doctrine. (Unless you’re Catholic!)
How does it change if you're catholic ???
Coming out of England. Answers NOT all about monasteries! Translations? GOD, in spite of monasteries, is able to keep GOD's WORD! FOREVER! 🙏🧔♀️💥
Really appreciate this conversation.
Wonderful video! I appreciate learning more about how God manages His Word. Thank you!
Thank you Melissa
Excellent discussion, Melissa - thanks to you both...
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Thank you for addressing this topic. Love your channel. I wish Dr. Bates would have addressed that none of the other 3 gospels contain the ideas promoted in Mark's longer ending. Hyper Charismatics use the longer ending to back up their signs & wonder teachings. I was in the Charismatic movement for several years but came out through studying the Bible and the leadership of the Holy Spirit. So I think this longer ending is dangerous (the Montanists were the 1st "Charismatics" and were condemned by the early church fathers). I disagree with Dr. Bates that it is edifying. But I appreciate the discussion. Thanks.
It’s in the Bible! Or something 😆
Great video ❤
Melissa, I know that when they were all three alive, there was quite a bit of dialogue between Richard Baukham, James Dunn, and Larry Hurtado regarding first century "worship" of Jesus; would you consider chiming in, or doing an episode regarding this?
Also, I'd love to hear your thoughts on the "New Perspective of Paul".
Footnotes are sometimes only there to confuse the issue. Older manuscriptes from where ? Alexandrian etc vs Anticoch.
Q: How much do these variations impact the True meaning of the Gospels? It would seem that that would be a crucial thing to address.
I got lost listening to this video. I think explaining such a complex thing we need to have a visual. CHARTS will help. Explaining while showing your thoughts along with a chart would help a lot. Thank you
I would like to say that I am pleased that my rabbit hole led me to your channel. I actually found it on my way back to the surface of basic Christianity. It has actually tripled the questions that I have been asking in search of the true God. I wondered if you have ever in the process of your searching looked at the origins of the Bible as we know it today? Why just the 66 books, to the exclusion of almost as many original canonical texts? I am uncovering a vast trove of conflicting information causing me to dig deeper. I feel like this path may fit right in your wheelhouse...maybe?
Yes, when he said to compare scripture with scripture for understanding. Everything written in scripture is true, but not everything applies to us now. This is why we’re instructed in 2 Tim 2:15 to rightly divide the word of truth.
So at one point God sanctioned stoning people to death. Wow.
@StudentDad-mc3pu so did humans
Great discussion! This is the conclusion I’ve come to as well. I love textual criticism!!
We can do all things through Christ. No fear! We have dominion over all creeping things.
Is there any way of taking out the requests for donations to Harris's campaign that youtube puts on this page and every other Christian youtuber's posts?
She has no control over that, the only thing you can do is use a blocker, Brave web browser can block ads on YT as far as I have seen.
Ad blocker.
Try using ad blocking software.
It's TH-cams algorithm. I keep getting the donation adds for Hamas, sorry Gazza. It's outside the control of the TH-camr unfortunately. They should be able to block certain adds that have a conflict of interest though.
Unfortunately, no TH-camr has any control over that. That's strange that they would even put that on a video like this.
Melissa, Great Guest. A suggestion: Check Baruch Korman who has a PhD in translation.
Thank you...I would never have had such an opportunity to have this information. Love this! Thank you.
This is why my husband's family will only read KJV. They've listened to the arguments presented by one writer/teacher and refuse to look at it more deeply. We just let it go.
The question is whether a passage is in conflict with the rest of the bible or not. Also when baptism is linked to believing it is prudent to leave it out when promoting infant baptism.
John 6:4 was added to add an extra Passover to extend Jesus' ministry to 3 yrs. It actually was 70 weeks.
I APPRECIATE THE HONESTY AND TRANSPARENCY
Wow! Great interview! Great information
A fascinating discussion! ❤
Study, yet many seek and never discover The Word of GOD, Love, and it has never changed. Amen
Brilliant! Today as a christian I hear that "the bible is corrupt" on a daily basis, so this conversation contained valuable information as an apologist💪🏽
I want to know everything you do, Megan! I feel the world is ready to be harvested. I want to know sound doctrine, etc. …to give an answer for the hope that is in you.”
😳😬😉🤪 Melissa! Sorry.
It is interesting that in a video which highlights the “questionability” surrounding what is written in certain scriptures, that the conclusion given @34:30-@36:00 is:
The reason we no longer have/need signs and wonders today is because we have the “authority” from the written word. 🔁 🤔
Great observation. As they undermine the authority of scripture...
"We scholars will figure this out and get back with you. Meantime, go try to find the words of God in all those translations you have. They are in there somewhere."
Correct me if I'm wrong but what I personally hear through this video is cessationism, a religious spirit and seeking control over and against the movement of Holy Spirit. Miracles, signs and healings are "tricky" because we must keep the supernatural out with all our might just like anything else that our peanut brains cannot explain and/or keep under our control.
Prov. 22:20, 21 " that [we] may know the certainty of the words of truth.."
I appreciate your work on this subject.
Thank you for these conversations! My nerd mind so appreciates it.
Where he talks about the missing verse from luke regarding "but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God" he says it wasnt there in the oldest manuscript because in the newer manuscripts a scribe just copied from matthew to make it more authentic
However thats a problem because the thousands of copies of the textus receptus all have it and they were copied by different scribes.
Old doesnt mean good and old doesnt mean original either.
The codex sinaiticus is shown by many many scholars to be unreliable because of how many missing verses there are compared to the received texts .
So he is completely speculating and just making it up when he says a scribe chose to copy the verse from matthew to luke because rhere is absolutely no way to tell that
There are hardly any texts that back up the codex sinaiticus.
You can hear him making excuses to try and justify the shorter ending
Wow so your a phd also
@garytaylor5864 wow so you have a bad attitude
In my dreams I’ve spoken in tongues, I’ve been bitten by snakes, and I’ve healed people through prayer and laying on of hands. Not 100% sure what all my dreams have meant but I have always like those verses.
Have you heard of the ministry of Lydia and Derek Prince? What is your opinion on how Lydia’s story went when she was called to Israel and ended up taking care and adopting many of the Jewish and Arab orphans and experiencing first hand God’s true signs and wonders?
“Appointment in Jerusalem”
Thank you for clarifying the scripture which I personally questioned.
They did not "clarify the scripture," they excised scripture from their "bibles."
Another note... When you "question" scripture you are putting yourself in the position of judging scripture. Beware, that makes scripture below or under you.
@@warnerchandler9826Exactly!
"But to this man will I look, even
to him that is poor and of a
contrite spirit, and trembles
at my Word."
(Isaiah 66:2)
Therefore, behold, I am against
the prophets, saith the LORD,
that STEAL My Words every
one from his neighbour.
(Jeremiah 23:30)
@@mathete9968 Yes. Amen.
We aren't to study??
@@bigtobacco1098Study is most excellent. But we should follow the Apostolic Rules of Exposition
Thank you for doing this!!
❤ I love you and your content.
This was a great video well done. Thank you.
Frankly, it doesn't matter to me if Luke or someone unknown "finished" Mark's gospel for him. Ending it with the women leaving the tomb and remaining
silent and afraid makes no sense. The longer ending contains nothing apostate and can be taught in compliance with the rest of scripture.
The issue does remind me though....
Moses authored the first five books of the O.T.
Yet, at the end, he dies and is buried. He certainly didn't write of his own death himself, did he? But those verses are still Holy writ....
Just my thoughts...God bless
I was taught from the beginning that the first five books are most likely not written by Moses but by the '' church fathers''/elders. Not sure if these are the right words, English isn't my first language
@@Kat-fw5joThere was no "church" prior to Christ's advent
@@everygoodthing8506The Greek word that is translated as church is ekklēsia and is used in the New Testament for a specific gathering of Christians, or for all believers together. The same word, ekklēsia, is used in the Greek translation of the Old Testament, the Septuagint, to translate the Hebrew term qāhāl, “assembly.” It is used for Israel as they gathered together to appear before God or as a general reference to all of Israel.
Church simply means "called out group" or "group called out by God" which includes Israel in the Old Testament.
@@thinklearndesign7441didn’t Solomon also ‘address the ‘’assembly’’ with his writing named “Ecclesiastes?”
Thank you and will be back to watch in full.
Signs of eternal life. Salvation from death. Baptism as a picture of what has happened to us because of Jesus.
Excellent video Melissa! Thanks for doing this :)
I disagree. I side with Chuck Missler’s analysis of the “oldest texts”.
Who is chuck missler?
Really great Thank You 💛
Not dispositive, but only 3 Greek MSS lack 16.9-20.
My view on this is that I have faith that God's word has been preserved. I mean the fact that we know that some sections might not have been there originally is actually evidence of that isn't it?
You appear to be blending two different things. Either God fulfilled his many promises to preserve his words -- not word, but his very "words" -- or he is too weak, negligent, and (admit it:) unfaithful to do that, but bless his heart, God was rescued by modern scholars to salvage that part or parts that we have left.
@@warnerchandler9826 No like im just saying the concept is that whatever God decided we needed to have as the bible just is the bible. Like no matter what way it is. I would not be so arrogant as to say I can think of a better plan for that than God.
Very well done.
I think what he said that about the message of the gospel is spread about in the Bible in many places, Chuck Missler compared it to a 3D hologram, that you can tear part of the Bible out, but the message is still there, just not as clear as before. God I am sure has a hand in preserving his message even through the mistakes made by mankind, even if well intentioned.
You just gotta love the attitude that Missler and you express: poor, old weak "god," cannot preserve his word (like he promised), but we humans, scholars every one of us, can still hunt and gather the real word from amongst all these hundreds of translations (just in English).
Chuck Missler was strongly in favor of the longer ending.
@@warnerchandler9826 Where did you get that silly idea? God works through man to accomplish some things, and other things he just outright does. That message is throughout the Bible, like a Father working with his children, letting them participate, but sometimes, just like kids, they will make mistakes, or not like Fathers rules an rebel and think they are smarter than him, when in the end it will come back to bite them in the....
With or without the long ending, the Gospel is still the same!
Is that so?
Two things that are different
are not the same.
And where is the Holy Spirit in this crucial instant of interpretation and the obvious implications implied.
So I just wanted to say. In tennessee there's quite a few baptist churches that have snakes in their church and use them often.
Didn’t get a chance to watch. But, it was in the Byzantine manuscripts in 4 Century!
This video is awesomesauce! Thank you!!
Please make more of these :))
Good stuff. More, please. Thank you.
He did not cover the analysis of the verses 9-16 exploring the similarity of the scribes "style" which is also a part of textual criticism.
If the original Canon has it, then that's it.
The Church (prior to the east/west divide) with the blessing and help/inspiration of The Holy Spirit defined what we now call The Holy Bible.
That's enough for me, anything that differs was and is fake & wrong.
What translation (version) do you recommend?
I mix it up. For general reading NIV or ESV. For reading with Bible study, an ESV, NASB and NIV all open to compare scriptures. There are a lot of great translations out there though. These are just the three that I gravitate towards.
@@MelissaDougherty thank you for your time and reply!
@@MelissaDoughertyQuestion: These three translations you gravitate towards, the ESV, NASB, and the NIV, they differ from each other, right?
Things that are different are not the same. So I posit that at least two of your translations are NOT the Bible, which of course is perfect and pure.
No 1... several
Just curious, why not just leave the longer ending in, just to finish completing the thought of what was said? If I was a baby Christian, I wouldn't know that the saying or thought hasn't been completed?
Some translations do, some don't.
@@midimusicforeverIt is willy nilly at best. But if you have a modern English translation and think you have the Word of God, just hang around a year or so, your Bible will change yet again.
My Bible has not changed for 400 years. I wonder which is the Words of God?
@@warnerchandler9826non sequitur... even before the kjv it changed with the extant manuscripts
@warnerchandler9826 the particular translation has been changed...
@@bigtobacco1098 Which particular translation that has changed are you referring to? Because the Authorized Version (KJB) has not.
Great video! My only question is, what was Irenaeus referencing? Based on the stated process, this seems to be a much earlier reference to it being part of the book. In most scientific methodology, silence is not evidence (either way), which seems to be the crux of the argument from Dr. Bates.
Ok, now have Andrew Bartlett or Dr. Phil Payne on to discuss 1 Cor. 14:34-35.
I think this was FASCINATING! I think there is edification in both. If God didn’t want it, it wouldn’t have survived or would have been like the other two options. It would be clear. It to encourage believers to keep going, and amongst darkness, there will be more signs.
The only push back I would give is to your guest is historically is the signs also lessened because the laity weren’t encouraged or taught. Plus they were in “largely nominal” Christian environments. I say nominal because if the leader converted then the kingdom of land did and was forced. It was about power and control often. Sadly. Christian history is not amazing. 😢 but it is what it is. And we own it, learn from it. And don’t repeat. And why literacy is SO important. And why though I would agree, you do see sign gifts though in mission fields, especially where there hasn’t been the gospel before. I have heard many first hand accounts. 😮 the Bible is sufficient but our God is alive and dwells inside us and still speaks, not like the idols people worship. So we can expect this. However, if you are not bible literate you can be fooled. So read your bible. Be holy as He is holy. Work out your salvation daily, because it’s not complete until you die. (Grace alone was not buying your grace and what Luther was against maybe Melissa you can research what Luther actually meant by that?)
Overall, fantastic
Oh and the signs are really “the Gift”, the Holy Spirit making himself known. It’s not us. It’s Gid showing up. 1 Corinthians 12:1 HCSB. We make it about spiritual “gifts” but what if it’s not the right word. It’s more like fruit of the Holy Spirit? Him making himself known? And we are a vessel? Working in tandem? And we’ve twisted it to make it about us? Because that’s what we do? Proof of salvation, proof of who and what kingdom we belong too?
1st Corinthians 2: 4-5 That is Scripture!
My short answer/response to the ‘long ending’ would be that it’s metaphor. It’s saying something about the authority that Jesus gave them when He sent the Holy Spirit. As stewards left behind to multiply themselves through active discipleship, some evidence had to exist. Signs, if you will because like the Dr. said…. The New Testament wasn’t written yet, so like Jesus saying the signs and miracles that He performed proved Him to be who He said He was…..🤷🏼♀️
Thank you for this! Also it's pronounced "apple latch un" 🥰
This was a great video.
Excellent dialogue
I thought God warned not to add or subtract of any of his word. Makes me not want to read my Bible now. I’ll be giving it to the doctors office now I think. 😢
Totally agree. With your first sentence.
That second one, though. You know better than that. Do not even say it jokingly. Ps. 1: 1- 3.
Please don't do that. There has to be a source of authority for Truth. It can't be man or a pope. It has to be Scripture. God has always led me through His Word in the 51 years I've been a believer.
So if you don't accept the Bible as God's word to humanity, what is the alternative? The other religious texts are worse, and secularism/atheism can't effectively explain the creation of the universe, the laws of physics or origins of life. Archeology, fulfilled prophecy, the sinful nature of humanity, humanity's need of a Savior, and the benefits of Christian missions on the world support the truthfulness of the Bible.
So good - thank you 🙂
The minute you start adding or subtracting things from The Bible you call into question the whole thing. Can't go there. Everyone has an agenda. Cessationists hold on to any and every argument they can to support their form of godliness without any power. But Paul says avoid these people.
Well, if you're concerned about scribes changing God's word, you should be thankful that all the changes that they made over the centuries to the manuscripts that ended up being used to produce the critical editions from which the KJV was produced and, later, the Textus Receptus are now being scraped away so that we're now able to enjoy God's word in the purest form we've possessed it for close to two millenia.
Its amazing how😢 many Christians fight for having no supernatural power. Power is not a dirty word Jesus said in
Act told them to tarry in Jerusalem until they were indued with power from on high. Its the Holy Spirit in is that that does the works.
What jumbled mess of an explanation. You say ok may 1 manuscript then you site several manuscripts.
Let's just sit in a pew. I SO DISAGREE.
This is ridiculous
And some people are 'power seekers', but not fruit seekers.
The Fruit of the Spirit is Love, Joy, peace , long-suffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness and self- control.
Galatians 5:22-23
Jesus said not to rejoice over the demons submitted to you, but rather that your name is written in heaven.
Luke 10:20
There is no one that has the genuine gift of healing as it was in time of early church.
Funny how James 5:14-16 says that Believers were to call the Elders to pray over the sick and anoint with oil. The sick person was to confess their sins, and elders prayer of faith would heal them.
Even Paul told Timothy to take a little wine for his stomach. Paul didn't heal him.
Also
I have been a Believer for 44 years, been to various churches and denominations, and never saw or heard of one actual account of the Biblical speaking in various languages as in Acts where Unbelievers heard the plan of Salvation in their language.
We actually don't need it. Missionaries today study languages.
Just like we have Dr's that heal people through medicine.
Casting out demons. Absolutely. I have done it, but it certainly does not take hours on end, yelling and all that. That isn't even Biblical.
A few words or sentences per Jesus and Apostles.
But I do fast and pray like the Bible tells me too.
@@Berean_with_a_BThbut you watch, in a couple of years the versions will change again. Its all about the money.
God is not the author of confusion
- the application that theologians have made towards the records within the 4 gospels ,is that JESUS (the Mantle) was only approached and questioned once, as to that of the scribes and the Pharisees ,when actually, He was approached and questioned twice on a matter ,for example (once towards the scribes, and then once towards the Pharisees)
Philip and Stephen were deacons and worked miracles.
You should look at the Geneva Bible
Hi you had a video on reincarnation. It disappeared . I can't find it did it get taken down?
Re snakes/poison talk ?How does that square with 'Don't test God'.
Testing God would be *purposely* going out of your way to handle a snake or drink poison just to "prove" you can.
It's not putting God to the test to *survive* drinking or eating poison by accident or hadling a snake which jumps on you (as Paul does in Acts 28).
@@leenieledejo6849 I thankyou for your reply. Mrs. Dougherty's videos on YT are very informative and help me on my path.✝
On a light note, how is it I was thinking he didn't "look" British before he even opened his mouth?~Heather~
There is a very different look between those native to the UK and the US! I noticed that too.
I've noticed too though it's more pronounced in some versus others. As an American I think it's partly how they carry their face and use different facial muscles to produce a particular accent. Also the British have a "pout" 😂 fun stuff
I agree wholeheartedly.
The signs are here. I testify of them. But why does this generation keep looking for a sign?
John 7:53 to 8:11 are also not in the eariest texts.
- and that is the reason why the 4 gospels Seem contradictory at times.
What happened to the new wall painting 😢