Exposing Genuine and Fake Spiritual Encounters
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 พ.ย. 2024
- Some Christians will say that for every counterfeit spiritual experience out there, there's an authentic version of it. This is how some odd and bizarre behaviors are explained to be not only biblical but also a display of spiritual power and favor from God. But what if that's not the case and there is more to this? I asked Dr. Berg, an expert on this topic, to come on my channel and talk about this.
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Just for everyone's FYI:
Dr. Berg called me and said how delighted he was that so many of you messaged him and visited his channel. He was especially pleased about how kind and warm you all were in your comments and messages. He's used to seeing a lot of hostility in his comments section, so it made me happy to know that my audience has given him such an impression. He went out of his way to tell me this. So thank you all for being wonderful.
That’s wonderful and I wonder if he gets mixed up with the other Dr Berg that’s a Scientologist ( keto ) and maybe that’s why the hostility? I enjoyed him very much ty Melissa ;)
GREAT job!so true THE HOLY SPIRIT works that way! GOD is a life changer! 😮
it’s not “emotionalism”. Um not sure what the attack on Pentecostal is but absolutely the gifts of the spirit are still available today and you have to be very careful of what this lady says sometimes. Pentecostal is the same as the Upper Room and has ZERO to do with New Age.
Hey Melissa, I have a question for you. I am surrounded by hyper charismatic Kenneth Coopland lovers-- and many of them are really into doing Shabbat and celebrating the Jewish feasts etc. In my mind I see how they do this, and it seems legalistic. But then I don't want that to taint me from wanting to learn about these things, but it has.
Therefore, I view the celebrating of these things as legalistic. I attended a Messianic Jewish church for a while, and it was the same experience.
Is it possible to celebrate and do these things without tiptoeing into legalism?
Does this make sense? I am not sure how to handle this. I also need prayer because of all this surrounding me.
I fully agree on those two things he mentioned. After 20 months of walking with Jesus I came to truly understand our God. After really understanding but not being able to fathom his immense grace and forgiveness, I understood that putting him first and obeying his commands is ALL I need to do. My faith switched to being FULLY in. I don’t know how to describe it, but I really get it now. I full heartedly trust Him on all things. He speaks with me through his word, I’m hungry for it. And all anxiety is gone. It’s all different and so wonderful. He’s so so good 🙏🏽🥹P.S. my current external struggles did not change, but my inner world completely changed.
Great conversation! If more people could just appreciate the simplicity of it all. There is such rest in having peace with God, trusting in Him, and just living a simple life. And literally sharing the good news with everyone. One point was made on how we tend to lean toward pragmatism and "doing it ourselves". If I just look around it's easy to see that all good things came from Him, usually as just gifts out of nowhere kind of thing, including the various people He let's me meet. Even the internal changes, things nobody could have ever explained, has been this amazing gift. I'm blown away and it's been 7 years and I'm still blown away so yay! And no I don't have money or any wordly assets to speak of, but God. He's soveriegn! What else do you need?
I really enjoyed !!!
Amen!
Hitchens said it best this spirit nonsense is white noise, absent of reason lol
Always test the spirits! People seem so gullible and we have to be wise.
Did you know that test the spirits is no longer in the Bible it has supernaturally been erased and now it is "TRY the spirits"
Real prophets are correct 100% of the time.
@elliesmith8139 Which translation you are reading. Was the context of John 4:1 changed?
If not, to me "to test" or "to try" is the same. I can test different brands of laundry soap or try them. I'm still finding out which works and which doesn't. I don't think it's saying, "to try" as in, be difficult or to experiment.
It's Strong's word, 1381 dikimazete (can't type Greek on my phone). That meaning doesn't change.
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Scripture doesn't get supernaturally erased. Everything will pass away, but God's words will never pass away. It is test the spirit, meaning, we test what is said against God's word, and if it doesn't line up, then it's possible that spirit is not of God.
Melissa this is one of the best interviews I’ve had seen you do in the several years I’ve been following you. Thank you! Unfortunately it seems there are few churches that teach this way. New Thought, New Age and other non Christian ideas, ideologies, practices and more have infiltrated the churches. Praying for you and the Church. 🙏
Seems like some of these 'prophets' might sound more like fortune tellers, they may even have a real spirit behind them, but not a good one and not God.
People seem to forget that…
Just because you see something or have a vision or a dream and things start happening - it doesn’t mean it’s from God… you have to test the spirits and we should be teaching people how to do that…
Fast and Pray about anything you see that may be supernatural….
Some prophets I have heard really do sound like fortune telling.
@Jaxmusicgal23 Fasting and praying are good. Also ask if it aligns with Scripture!
I was asking God to help me see myself as He sees me. He asked me, "Don't you trust my Word?" That's what we have. We don't need extraneous confirmation.
Yes!
This is EXACTLY how I came to accept the gospel! I hated myself and begged God, "Don't let me perish in blasphemy! Help me see me how you see me, bc I've been denying the authority of your Scrioture that you've DEMONSTRATED your love already, bc YOU are righteous and loving"-Saved my soul and freed me of my persistent temptation sin when I gave it to Him! Praise Jesus Christ!!!
@@jeanniestaller797 Yes, we should trust God's Word, for it is the *Truth.*
I think it's good, though, to ask God to show us how He sees us, and this is the reason why: Sin darkens the intellect. Therefore, we are not always going to see things as they really are. As a society, we have removed God from the public square, and many people have turned their backs on God.
Collectively, we have greatly offended God and, per prophecy, He is going to show us how our souls appear to Him through the Illumination of Conscience. Some people have already experienced it, but the time is coming when almost all of humanity will be shown how their souls appear to God. Most people will drop to their knees and weep, but the Illumination of Conscience will be necessary in order for people to see how we have been offending God, so that we may stop and make God our top priority.
I am praying for an unsaved daughter who claims salvation. Hearing you remind me that God is sovereign blessed me and brought tears to my eyes. Thank you Adonai ,Melissa and Dr Berg.
From a Catholic Christian from Central Europe: this is such a good and balanced interview! I really love your content.
I noticed this anti-intellectualism in some Christians and it's so weird to me. The human reason is one of the things how we are created in the image and likeness of God. I have never been taught to throw it out. It absolutely helps me discern spiritual experiences and practices etc.
If I may suggest, consider putting his full name in titles and descriptions to differentiate him from another person. There is already an extremely popular Dr. Berg on youtube who focuses on nutrition and who is also a Scientologist, and I fear the two may be confused.
He was the first person I thought of when she said his name. Took me aback for a second until I saw who it actually was.
@@schaux It wouldn't have surprised me. Dr. Berg is a chiropractor who meddles in things he should not. I followed something he said a long time ago and got very sick.
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Thr lie: "Christians cannot be deceived"
The biblical truth:
"My people perish for lack of knowledge"
And: deceiving even the very Elect, if that were possible (inferring not, ultimately.)
You have taken Hosea 4:6 out of context. It was referring only to the Levites.
Thanks Melissa! Your interview with Dr. Berg was very informative and refreshing. I appreciated the practical ways to discern between the authentic and the counterfeit.
Loved this and appreciate all the points you two covered! Having come out of WoF and knowing people caught up in Bethel counterfeit, videos like this are great for sharing. Thanks so much, Melissa and Dr. Berg!
Dr. Berg is so good! He marries theological intellectualism with the practical application of God’s Word. Love God, love people, and make disciples. That’s all I need to know regarding God’s will. I don’t think God is concerned about which car I choose. Am I loving God, loving people, and making disciples in this life journey? That’s what will matter for eternity. Thank you for your ministry!
Loved this conversation!! Thank you Melissa
36:00 - thank you for pointing out that prophecy is often about morality. I noticed in the OT that prophets were almost always calling a person or Israel to repent and be reconciled to God.
But are we under the Old or the New Testament?
What does the New Testament say about prophets and prophecy?
@@warnerchandler9826 - we are still called to repent and be reconciled to God regardless of OT or NT
@@VIOLET2819 You avoided my question. The New Testament says about prophecy in the church, not OT prophecy, this:
1 Cor. 14: 4 "But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort."
OT prophets had a different role than in the New.
I think you could fit the OT prophets into the same vein as the gift of NT prophecy. Their prophecies edified, exhorted, and comforted the people of God. It encouraged righteousness while speaking to the need for repentance. Often the call to repentance was accompanied by the promise of blessing and protection that came with turning back to God. It encouraged them to follow him, to be true to him, and to avoid the things that either caused them to fall or caused the nations around them to fall. It did address the danger of disobeying God, but I see no difference in this from the gift of NT prophecy. The principles God gives in the OT for judging prophecies and those who call themselves prophets would still apply.
@@mythbhavd You could? I will not put anymore time into this. But go ahead and explain actual details of the following OT prophecy as to how it matches up to your categorization of edification, exhortation, and comfort. How about the first three chapters of Isaiah?
When I was a baby Christian, (fresh out of the new age 😢) I got saved and I'd started reading my bible but there were things I very much didn't understand.
I had 3 'visions' in the first year and they were ALWAYS to explain something about my life (trauma) or a scripture that I couldn't understand.
Just an example...I was so worried that I didn't know how to sort my sin out, I didn't know how to live a Christian life and I hd a quick vision of a hand (lovingly) trimming a fruit tree. The bad fruit was removed and the branches were tidied up. It lasted no more than 3 seconds and then i understood that it was God that would sort the mess (me) out.
I haven't have them since I joined a church and got into serious biblical studies.
My conclusion is that whilst I was very vulnerable and tender the holy spirit gave me a couple of hints to help me along.
Isn't it interesting how almost everything in the bible relates to fruit and growing etc. God had shown me during a difficult circumstance a couple of years ago that it was to produce fruit (Galatians 5:22-23), although I understand it now, its one thing to understand logically, and another to go through pain and suffering. Growing is painful though, if you ever had growing pains as a kid, it made you want to stay short that's for sure lol
This was such a great conversation. Thank you!
I think this is important. I think with todays climate of people on youtube talking about all these experiences they have, it makes normal Christians feel unloved or inadequate. Then it creates a vacuum in their walk that something will fill. Someone asked me the difference between prophets and psychics, and i said biblically prophets were sent to warn Gods people and lift up God and not self. Its okay to encourage but that is now the "call of a prophet" in mainstream Christianity. It is a mockery of what prophets suffered in the Bible. I mean really everyone in the Bible. We have diminished the sufferings that apostles of the NT and the people/leaders/prophets of OT went through.
Exactly. Look what happened to the original apostles. Read about the lives of many know saints like St Francis, to Bernadette even Faustina. There lives were hard, full of ridicule, rejection, sacrifice and suffering. No matter what what was thrown at them, thier faith in the lord was unwavering. 🙏🙏
Man, this conversation is just so good. Thank you so much for doing what you do, Melissa, and sharing it for the body. ❤
What a wonderful and just overall likable guy! This was a really great interview!
I'm a little late getting here! Great video! Everything you talked about screamed " Roman Catholicism" . My husband and I left the Catholic church almost a year ago, and it has not been easy. Especially with so many weak churches, the pickin's are slim! We have still not found a church home, but we're hanging in there! Such are the times in which we live. I understand what you mean about people wanting "the more". I think that's what's behind so many well known Protestants on social media converting to Catholicism. The Catholics have a strong presence on you tube.
I know what Doreen Virtue would say about the “Prophet” giving specific, personal, info. Be aware of demonic influences posing as the Holy Spirit.
I'm tearing up right now,...a dear friend whom I love dearly has recently released our friendship because of my 'negativity',....awhile ago she shared her getting involved with oracle cards and she picked up on my discomfort when she talked about it,...she asked me about it and reacted badly when I answered truthfully,...I am so concerned that I handled it wrong and every day pray for her
BEAUTIFUL TEACHINGS you gave me today Brother, tkanks so much for your contribution Sister Melissa. The FATHER be with you!
Thanks guys. I really enjoyed this. I’m in the process of leaving the Pentecostal church. I’ve experienced a lot of what you have mentioned. It’s been pretty detrimental to me
Lean on God ❤
Happened to me too. I fell for the emotionalism. I was so young and naive. 🤦🏻
Um not sure what the attack on Pentecostal is but absolutely the gifts of the spirit are still available today and you have to be very careful of what this lady says sometimes.
@@couturedeana it’s not “emotionalism”. Um not sure what the attack on Pentecostal is but absolutely the gifts of the spirit are still available today and you have to be very careful of what this lady says sometimes. Pentecostal is the same as the Upper Room and has ZERO to do with New Age.
Excellent convo!!! Too many so-called Christian commentators and writers have made discerning God's will and testing the spirits, etc nothing short of a new age, sign seeking overly complicated set of steps! It does sell their books which verge on gnosticism. Thank you both! Keep up the excellent work! Praying for y'all!
We are "people of the book". Hallelujah! Our God has revealed Himself to us!!
THANK YOU!!! This might be one of the most important videos you have made.
NAR, new age mysticism, horoscopes, fortune tellers, it boils down to cults!
Hmm . I used to be Pentecostal. I’m now Free Grace. I remember I used to buy Doreen Virtue cards when I was Agnostic. Long story short I had to fight off a lot of demonic attracts from her stuff. Even after she became a new Christian. She was selling books. I had to through it all out. To this day I find her too intense. I’m glad she turned around. I even had to stop watching new age to Jesus videos as they can be highly intense. Mostly women seem drawn to New Age. We’re more deceived.
Love this video! Dr Berg…amazing! Thank you Melissa 😊
This is one of the most important interviews I’ve heard. I’ve personally reached a point where I realize that every next breath we take is a Grace of God. I’m glad to hear someone else articulated that.
Wonderful video. You both have so much to offer with this subject.
A pivotal point could be rather than "i want more of God"(like an addition, a habit ,an addiction)
Consuder rhus "i want to offer more of myself, " that Jesus Christ is Lord of all of me.
All in, submitted, the Lotd will always be sufficiency in wisdom, provision, guidance and protection
God bless Dr. Berg and Melissa!
The timing of this video in my life is a blessing. I really like this guy, thanks Melissa ❤
I appreciate this message so much. It seems like the clarifying truth needed to rebalance things at this moment in evangelical history, here in America at least, and was really helpful to hear. 💯
Enjoyed the conversation. Brad n kalifornia....the state that no one should move to.
On the part where you said that we want more God and we might be needy constantly wanting more Love from him. I offer, we have a messed up idea of what love is. We think love is gifts, health money ect. God supplies pure love not the kind of love that showers us with worldly things. Great show!!
We need him on again! So good!
Demons know your address, don't they? Demons know a lot of details about your life, even the sinful thoughts that they send you or tempt you with. That's all they need to poster as an angel of God, or a prophet of God.
Watched more of the middle and I agree with this man! Thank You So Much you reminded us that God sending His Son to die for us to have salvation is the biggest demonstration of His Love For Us and that can NEVER be diminished! Sounds simple but SO POWERFUL and I will take with me! Also, all of us that love God wish and pray for the spiritual gifts but yes, they are to build the body of Christ up not for it to lift up us in just or at all for ourselves! Discernment is what I ask for and to serve with others to share the gospel!
I (in Cali) just shared this video with my friend (in North Carolina) and his first response was “I love Melissa”. You’re reaching a lot of people (all glory to God) keep fighting the good fight of faith Sister.
Wonderful. Thank you for being obedient. I pray that you grow more in His Knowledge and Wisdom.❤
😊 Milissa and Dr. Berg I enjoyed and benefited from your conversation so much, thank you ❤️🙏.
You are both so joyfully authentic, your communication, your knowledge --
I will follow up with Dr. Berg,
Milissa I hope that you have him back soon, God bless you both ✝️🙏
I love the gifts of the Holy Spirit and love the Word of Truth, as it comes through the gifts of the Holy Spirit, in many instances. I grew up Baptist and there was always a wall put up when it came to the Holy Spirit and being baptized in the Holy Spirit and Fire. Long story short, I heard what God was telling me and I did it. He then baptized me in the Holy Spirit and Fire. I now have a responsibility to be mature in the Holy Spirit, but also as free as a dove in certain instances, always maintaining awareness. Saying there is an over emphasis on the gifts of the Spirit is not biblical, but I do understand what you mean as some churches seem to make people feel less than if they have not received the Baptism of the Holy Spirit and is definitely a problem.
🎉Go Flames!!! I'm a 53 yr old sophomore at Liberty University, majoring in theology. I really enjoy your channel, Melissa.
What a delightful man.
Thank you Melissa, for this important piece of advice. 🙏🏼❤️🔥
I am so happy I came upon your channel Melissa. I have opened my ears and it has fallen on my heart with joy. I so wish I could find a good solid preaching church near me … I will be praying for God to guide me 🙏🏻 I will be following your channel for sure ❤️
This is the first time I heard about the Enneragram - I honestly just thought it was another personality assessment like Myers Brigg, Love Languages, etc.
This is very timely for me. Perfectly timed. Thank you, Lord. Thank you Melissa and Dr. Berg.
Thank you! Prophecy as divination and manipulation 🙏
This was such a great conversation! Thank you both. I learned a lot and want to learn more! God bless! ❤️🙏🏻🤩
Excellent discussion and what great teachers you both are! Thank-you so much!
I was broken for 10 years and i needed help. I cried out. His voice was real and clear. Forgive her. I do realize that a voice can be misleading. The real experience is knowing his voice and that isn’t taught.
This has been a great discussion . Praise God. Please prayerfully consider this one thought though. Meditation is very useful . Not for having g visions or mystical experiences. But for concentration. Clearing the chaos and confused thinking. Through breathing and meditation I am better able to take my thoughts captive and make them obedient to Christ and the Gospel.
Thanks a lot 🙏🏼 the part about our purpose is so liberating!!!
I've listened to Dr Berg and he's sooo good! Really worth listening to and learning from him.
I watched Mike Winger treated terribly for exposing this person on X. We HAVE to stand for Truth! It is NOT kind or loving to "just be nicer, stop judging". Thank you.
This was an excellent discussion. So insightful and so validating.
I have so much clarity, thank you
Thanks be to God for your work in the LORD. This is very beneficial. The works of the Puritans have been very helpful for me.
I have been thinking a lot in this area lately and about how mental illnesses plays a role in a lot of this. Many people with schizophrenia can have what they see as religious experiences and hearing God, angels or demons as well as visions. To them, these things are very real and they need to get it out there and have now a platform on social media to do so. I wish there was more discussion on that and how people with mental illnesses are not getting treatment but are instead held up in religion to be super spiritual and having gifts.
In some cultures the mentally ill (schizophrenia, mania) are considered gods and are revered. I never thought of them being in positions of authority in the church because of how they are perceived! Thank you for making that comment. I have bipolar 1 and this topic interests me very much. I struggle with what is real and what's not sometimes.
Thank you, so much. I needed this so much.
Really enjoyed this video this was definitely edifying for me!
Thank you for covering this, much needed right now
I SO So appreciate this topic Melissa!I have been struggling with this topic- and this has really really helped!!
EXCELLENT GUEST. THANK YOU MELISSA!❤
The guest is just fabulous! Articulate, succinct, and knowledgeable of the critical differences. 15:17
So good!!! Thank you! Best talk
The primary purpose of a "prophet", is to encourage people to turn back or turn to God. Not just any God, but the Holy One of the Bible, Triune and Eternal. A prophet type isn't a person who walks around claiming to be a prophet, but rather points out the holiness of God, and the folly of not being in relationship with Him, made possible by the work of the Son through the power of the Holy Spirit.
This is soo good, I'm going to watch again and again!❤
Excellent teaching!
This was great! Thank you both.
God also shows his love through discipline and some of us can interpret that as pushing us away. It's rough.
Love God, love, others, disciple others, and steward ourselves well.
Thank you, I needed this ❤
Excellent. Thank you for that. Praise God!
Thankful for this conversation!
Too much Doctrine, not enough Spirit, you SLOW up. Too much Spirit, not enough Doctrine, you BLOW up. Both in balance, you GROW up.
I love the gifts of the Holy Spirit, and love the Word of Truth as it comes through the gifts of the Holy Spirit in many instances. I grew up Baptist and there was always a wall put up when it came to the Holy Spirit and being baptized by the Holy Spirit and Fire. Long story short, I heard what God was telling me and I did it. He then baptized me in the Holy Spirit and Fire. I now have a responsibility to be mature in the Holy Spirit, but also as free as a dove in certain instances always maintaining awareness.
Incredible conversation, very important truths explained by two wise and mature children of Christ. I also recommend a book called "Disappointment with God" someone told me about years ago when I was struggling and wanting God to be more clear and miraculous in my life.
Melissa, your conversations and guests are so refreshing. God’s Truth is always uplifting. Your videos should be in every Bible study and home group. I’m so tired of groups giving their opinions/critique’s of the Word! Appalling. So, I send them your videos.
Thank you so much ! You clarify so many of my questions . God bless you both 🙏
You’ve been brought into the union of God through the blood of Christ is such a comfort ❤
He forgives my sins....and...God is Sovereign. AMEN!!! This is a wonderful video. Thank you!
God's blessings from Bay City Michigan
Excellent guest. I learned so much, and Berg gave me lots more to think about.
@ 24:00 Spiritual vs Emotional neediness is a great delineation, please elaborate on this. 🙏
@ 41:00 That tone of authenticity is so relatable, yeh
Thank you so much. This was so helpful.
I love how y’all had the quote right there! 🎉❤
This was such a great talk! Thank you so much!!
There is a book called visions and dreams by Tom Doyal.
Its amazing to hear stories of real and genuine encounters with jesus that transformed the lives of ex muslim people. Their response to seeing jesus isnt posting it on yt. But its dhing and living for jesus the true God and sharing him and his gospel in muslim countrys.
Thank you very much for the video. I've been a Christian for like 9 years. I've never had a spiritual encounter. I know God is with me to help me in my Faith walk . He keeps me on the right path. Even your Videos Melissa help me... thank you.
So good! ❤
Such a good vid, sis. This really helped me as i have been trying to discern if some recent experiences were from God and this confirmed it big time. Well i already knew, but it always helps having sound members of the body of Christ confirm that youre not crazy and you are able to see what is from the Lord.
Main take away, the gifts are not for me! They are for the body to edify God's people. That takes so much pressure off. The reality that God is I AM, regardless of my emotions, circumstances and failures is massive. That is a true and faithful saying.
This is so good!
Thank you, thank you, thank you for this important teaching ❤
Great conversation, thank you so much!
Coming out of a NAR church background and trying to refigure out what is truth vs counterfeit, this was one of THE most helpful videos! Thank you so much!
What is NAR?
@@daschuhowNew Apostolic Reformation